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Posted by: Jack_O'Neill Mar 2nd 2005, 2:37 AM

I'm confused about your speculations, if the Daedalus does come, how are they supposed to beam Shep out of the jumper if they don't have Asguard sensors and if the jumper is cloaked?

I think what will happen is that Shep will be thinking about not dying and the jumper will activate a transporter that we haven't seen yet and beam him back down to Atlantis.

Posted by: ray243 Mar 2nd 2005, 9:27 AM

it's a 303 class...

Posted by: Pupitmiser Mar 2nd 2005, 11:05 AM

I'm pretty damn sure it'll be airing in July...in the USA anyway. Maybe in June on airone in the UK. I think they're filming the next season now. Just starting in March...

Posted by: Evo Mar 2nd 2005, 11:52 AM

New episodes of Stargate: Atlantis airs July this summer on the SCI-FI channel

Posted by: Aussie_Bloke Mar 3rd 2005, 3:51 AM

I think that the dadalus will have asgard beeming teck as well as a half decent sheild generator supplied by the asgard - now that the crew member is coming with them. This generator will not be the zpm either.....it will probably go to atlantis. It should be able to detect the cloak anyway....the asgard are more adnacef than the wraith....to discuss this come to "Asgard V Wraith" in sg1 spoilers and speculation.

Posted by: jackstheone Mar 3rd 2005, 7:20 AM

Yup dantilus is equipped with azguard tech. last episode sg1 seas 8 promethius has azguard beams so they would have equipped dauntilus the same.

Posted by: Col. Zach Nolan Mar 3rd 2005, 9:18 AM

What the crap. July I can't wait that long. I guess I'm going to tiwddle my thumbs and hope Shepard picks me up.

By the way what's taking him so long.

Posted by: Jack_O'Neill Mar 3rd 2005, 3:17 PM

Yes, i know the Prometheus has Asguard beaming technology, which would make it logical to assume that the Daedalus will have the same, however as per episode "Endgame" of SG-1, they don't have the Asguard sensors, which means that they need some sort of signal they can lock on to, before they know where the thing that they want to beam is. So how can they beam Shep out of a cloaked Ancient ship without advanced sensors or some sort of signal to lock onto if their sensors are less sophisticated than the Wraith's (who also can't detect it)?

Posted by: Aussie_Bloke Mar 4th 2005, 12:55 AM

In Moebius carter was telling daniel tnat dadulus has a few new suprises: Maybe these will be asgard sensors and a better sheild generato - i mean - we did just help them kill every replicator in the galaxy....we deserve some credit!

Posted by: ColonelJackO'NeillRocks Mar 4th 2005, 11:23 AM

B.G. Rocks out.

Posted by: Teyla Emmagan Mar 4th 2005, 12:07 PM

Season 2 for Staragte Atlantis will be July 15 th at 9:00 with the ep. The Seige Part Three .
i can't wait

Posted by: igo Mar 4th 2005, 12:45 PM

In episode 12, I dont remember the name but its the one with the downed wrath hive ship near the satilite and the canible wrath. The wrath on that epison activated a shield on the puddle jumper, I dont remember Shepp ever activating a shield (I would think he would have if he could) but this tells me the PJ has shields they just dont know it.

So he activates the shield and is protected? Or maybe they have shields but there not menitoned? But I dont know but you would think if a go'ald's shields could withstand a nuke that the ancent would be able to...

Posted by: Cuokuo Mar 4th 2005, 7:25 PM

I dont think Sheppard will get out of the situation by simply activating a shield. They've never done it before when they were getting attacked.

Also, I dont think that he will be beamed out either since we dont have any asguard scanning equipment and only beaming stuff (as mention in the sg1 ep where the stargate got stolen by the trust with the asguard beaming technology)

Posted by: Nighthawk Mar 5th 2005, 9:20 AM

Guys,

It is obvious what the conclusion will be!!! It was indicated way back in Episode 14 (Sanctuary). Sheppard's relationship with Chaya will save the day!! Come on it is all the rage at the moment! We just had it talked about in SG1 in a recent episode (Reckoning) and it was indicated that Chaya/Ashtar would come back in another episode soon...

Hawk

Thus, I believe here is the conclusion your all waiting for:


Season 2: Episode 1

Posted by: Evo Mar 5th 2005, 10:26 AM

That's a very nice spoiler there, but I got some doubts about that. Chaya already admitted that they won't help them with the Wraith. Not that I don't want to have her back or anything, I would like that, but I don't see it happening. But yeah, I do like the made-up spoiler, it was interesting and it gave me an idea of what it would be

Posted by: nixon Mar 7th 2005, 6:49 AM

How about this for a plot line..

UPDATE!


Damn I should be a script writer !

Posted by: Teyla Emmagan Mar 7th 2005, 8:47 AM

How do you know this ..I can't wait it's killing me slowly .

Posted by: Col. Zach Nolan Mar 7th 2005, 9:15 AM

What the Daedulus gets destroyed. I refuse to believe you. That would just totally suck. I mean Earth builds another ship then right after its first mission in gets destroyed. I mean that is a big buzz killer. Though My big question is how do they get Sheppard back? I'm mean they can't just walk onto a Wraith ship and go

"Hey were placing bail for good friend John Sheppard. You mind sending him out?"

This episode is going to be interesting.

Posted by: nixon Mar 7th 2005, 4:29 PM

Serious people... I was just kidding. Get a grip.

Hmm, but then again... with all the "negotiating" going on in the Pegasus galaxy, can't you just see them bargaining with the Wraith ??

Atlantis commander: "Fine. We'll give you these 10 dudes in green cammo for mister Sheppard over there. Deal?"
Wraith: "Throw in a Genii or two and you've got a deal"
Atlantis commander: "No, I won't give you anything less than 10 Genii"
Wraith : "Damn.. they give me heartburn"

Posted by: 93sdryden Mar 8th 2005, 5:48 PM

Well i think he will get onboard the ship and sets some sort of count down on the nuke (prob 10sec 1min) and he sit down and wish that he was back in atlantis (thinks what he wonts to do and the ship dose it) and the ship beams him back into atlantis.

Posted by: unseen_shadow Mar 8th 2005, 7:00 PM

how about shepp's on the wraith ship, nuke set to go off, hes saying his last prayers but the nuke doesnt work. So while he's fighting wraith for his life the Dauedulus show up he sends a signal and beemed off shortly before they blow up the hive ship with some sabbotage by shepp.

Posted by: penno2005 Mar 9th 2005, 9:47 AM

well i think the deadulas is the ship from season 7 grace when the prometheus comes up against a big ship that i think is a ancients ship they left there to hide from the wraith and they stick a zpm in it and high tail it to atlantis and save the day again anyone agree


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Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 9th 2005, 10:10 AM

No its not. we see the plans for the Daedalus in one of the final eps of SG1, either 'Threads' or 'Moebius' part 1. You can clearly see them on a screen when Carter is talking about the Daedalus. Its identical to the Prometheus, hence why its called the Prometheus' sister ship.

Posted by: penno2005 Mar 9th 2005, 10:16 AM

well i still think its a atlantis battle cruiser or sumet like that cos it does look ancient. does anyone have any pictures of the prometheus sister ship cos i cant wait 2 c it.

Posted by: rich_mc_bck Mar 9th 2005, 12:36 PM

Regards to Sheppard beaming back into atlantis - was it just me or did Jack in mobeus beam the puddle jumper out of the SGC right into space??? I know this might not help M. Sh. but why don't the atlantis crew do the same thing when taking out puddle jumpers??

Posted by: Kronos Mar 9th 2005, 3:13 PM

dont know if i have the right topic but i wanna know why did the ancients leave the city without any spare zpms? i mean they knew that dr wiers team was coming so why only give a list of gate adress where they might find one in ten thousand years? why not put some in atlantis as an insurance. the ancients were pretty good with building weapons, citys that can fly, but not really good at leaving anything with a full powersource.

Posted by: Aussie_Bloke Mar 10th 2005, 2:51 AM

Clearly it is not the daedulus but it still might be ancient.

But dont put all you eggs in one basket....it may be the furlings - or even the Oree....(accended beings - in a cloud...lol).

I think furlings is the most likely thing for that ship - but it would be cool if it was ancients.

Posted by: penno2005 Mar 10th 2005, 12:31 PM

i think it is anciant cos of the little girl in her head gotta be a assended ancient rite. well the episode all 2gether was all to sh*t dident make sense that much i think they made that episode so they can come back to it in another episode

Posted by: synapse Mar 10th 2005, 7:12 PM

I think it should not be ruled out that the azguard might intervene. After all they do owe the people of earth some big favours (just a thought). I mean one ship against two wraith hive ships and dozens of wraith darts. Even if they empty the bays there still gonna come up short. So i think there is gonna be something that know one has thought of i.e. They activate the citys weapons that havent been seen yet or the azguard lend a grey hand. [FONT=Times]

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Mar 11th 2005, 2:22 PM

The ship can't be ancient, Since if you remember they took all the crew apart from carter, So they would have known that they were their cousins from Earth once they get them on board & not to mention if it was ancient & they build a galaxy class flying city(Atlantis) + stargates & all this technology they couldn't get themselves out of an anomoly but Carter could & they only returned the crew when she offered to help them get out of the anamoly by placing the shield around them. Nevertheless I still have been waiting for them to show up on SG1 but since I'm more into Atlantis then hopefully they'll end up as bad guys on there instead.

Still it has left a cliffhanger & I seriously can't wait until s2 starts back which I would imagine would be around Aug/Sept or Oct at the latest, As the show will air in North America first(summer) then head our way on Sky one, a couple of months later probably half way through second series in North America.

One thing we do know is that Shep ain't gonna blow himself up, So either some divine intervention comes his way, ie Daedalus gets him out but since it's cloaked I doubt this, I don't think the ancient(Leonor Varella) will interfere as she won't be allowed to by the others, Since she's bound to the other planet only(Although you would think some common sense would come into play & they would show here a schematic of Atlantis & get here to give them detailed info about certain unknow parts & systems, Plus probably the most important would be how to manufacture Zpm's & Drones, By telling them I wouldn't imagine it would break any laws with the rest of the ancients.


One thing I'm pretty sure about is

Posted by: Sn0w Mar 11th 2005, 4:41 PM

All I can say is...what a muppet. How could they have sent the ZPM through when it was being used to power the Earth gate? "Quick we've gotta disconnect and throw the ZPM through before it closes"...no and as for "put it in a ship which is obviously going to drain it", do you have any idea how much power a ZPM has?! 3 of them powered the shields around the WHOLE of Atlantis for how ever many thousands of years.
It also makes more sense to send a brand new shiny Earth ship with Azgard technology and the most powerful power source know in the Universe (Deadulas) to help them instead of just the power source. They'd have a few days max to work out all the new systems and see which ones (if any) would help them defend themselves while getting constantly attacked by Wraith...not happening.
As for Shepp surviving his suicide run I think:
The Deadulas mite beam him out
The puddle jumper will do something funky
Or the Leonor Varella (ascended woman) could help out.

It'd be cool if the Deadulas turned up with a few Azgard ships, I dunno how that'd work though cause they wouldn't have ZPM's to power their hyperdrives...maybe they get towed or something.

Posted by: penguinpimp42 Mar 11th 2005, 9:46 PM

Everyone keeps ,mentioning the Asguard. I had read somewhere that an Asguard will be on the Atlantis team in Season 2, so this might be a strong possibility, or that Asguard might actualy be on board Daedalous, who knows, but I do see some Asguard interaction, if it's saving the city or maybe later on. If you think about it, Atlantis might hold the key for the Asguard to repair there bodies, due to all that cloning, so I would assume they are going to be interested. Who knows, maybe Thor will get his original body back, would be odd.

Posted by: hooteh Mar 12th 2005, 6:46 AM

This is just a crazy thought but don't the jumpers have airtight bulkheads? In stealth mode it would be possible for Sheppard to put the Genii nukes behind the bulkheads, open the back door and have them float into space then fly away without being detected. If they are smart enough to build nukes they are smart enough to put a timer on them. =s

Posted by: 93sdryden Mar 12th 2005, 11:14 AM

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Mar 12th 2005, 1:19 PM

[quote=Sn0w,Mar 11th 2005, 9:41 PM]
All I can say is...what a muppet. How could they have sent the ZPM through when it was being used to power the Earth gate? "Quick we've gotta disconnect and throw the ZPM through before it closes"...no


Muppet, Buddy all I can say is it's obvious if you can see a muppet then you must be looking at yourself in a mirror or a photo of your mother for having such an ignorant #.

Did I not put this. Duh!

"So their primary concern would have been to either try to get a few Naquadah generators hooked up to the power grid & dial Atlantis or at least contact the Asgard for assistance to get them to give them something powerful enough to power it"

We know it doesn't take a Zpm to power up the gate specifically to dial an 8 gate address, As when O'neill had the anceint knowledge he took the power source from a Staff & hooked it up to the power grid, So who's to say a few genny's tied together hooked up to the grid(Since they're currently usinge them to power the systems in Atlantis.) or as I put they could have asked the Asgard to loan them a power source capable of generating the required amount of power.

Then you put

"and as for "put it in a ship which is obviously going to drain it", do you have any idea how much power a ZPM has?! 3 of them powered the shields around the WHOLE of Atlantis for how ever many thousands of years."

Wrong again Mr.Muppet, If you watched the show you would have realised that Dr Weir when she went back in time & was put in suspended animation & had to replace A SINGLE ZPM every 3000 or so years until the alternate SG-1 Atlantis Crew arrived.

So 1 lasted for 3000 years but exactly what did it have to power, A shield to keep the water out & her life support system, Considering there were no major power drains such as weapon attacks on the city or whatever then how do you know what putting a ZPM in a ship and travelling to another Galaxy at full speed, Using something at 100% is going to run it down a lot faster than running it at 2%,/5%, or however little it took to keep it running with minimal systems. So do you kno the outcome of season 2, Didn't think so, Don't even try to dismiss another users posts before considering you should read them through in their entirety first. Then in your little brain's case 10 times first before it can comprehend things.

Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 12th 2005, 1:37 PM

If you watch 'Letters from Pegasus', you'll see it took 5 naquada generators to open a wormhole to Earth for 1.3 seconds. How many naquada generators would it take to sustain a wormhole long enoght to transport the new marines and all their equipment? Too many im thinking.


Sustaining a shield under water with constant presure acting against it is going to require more power than sustaining a shield against periodical Wraith bombardment.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Mar 12th 2005, 4:38 PM

Yes I already know how much it took that's why I didn't give a specific amount, If they hooked up a bunch of them, Dialled up the Atlantis gate & simply sent the Zpm through with a Datapad(Like when they reached Atlantis O'neill sent a bottle of Champagne or like in series 1 of SG1 when they sent a box of tissues to Jackson.) This way SGC would have known the ZPM would have powered the shield for a lot longer then they could have simply put all the info in the datapad that they were sending a bunch of marines on the Daedalus to Atlantis and that it would have Asgard Hyperdrives and also most likely Asgard Weapns as well. So how long would it take to throw(securely packed first, of course) a box threw,rolled,launched whatever you want to call it through the gate, a few secs at most. So this would have been the easiest way.

Also as far as the SGC knew the chair command console had thousands of drones left like the one in Antartica, as it was not know there were only a few dozen until the Mark II was hooked up in The Siege part 2.


"Sustaining a shield under water with constant presure acting against it is going to require more power than sustaining a shield against periodical Wraith bombardment."


Think of it this way, 2 Wraith Hive ships, Plus there were smaller ships along with them, So like you would see with the Navy Destroyers or Carriers, they come with a whole accompaniment of other vessels to protect them, So they would most like be Battleships or Attack ships at the least + not to mention all the Hundreds/Thousands of Darts would Atlantis withstand 3000 years of constant bombardment from them, I think not, Plus there is always the notion that there is more closely behind as if you watch episode 8, Underground, At the end after they have the Wraith Data Storage device it's said that there were 21 Hive ships in their quadrant of the Pegasus Galaxy alone. So help would only be a small distance away.

So sorry mate, I can't agree with you on that, I personally think Weapons fire will drain the shield a hell of a lot quicker than holding out the ocean.

Posted by: dijksma Mar 13th 2005, 6:55 AM

OK what If we see it from a totally different view. The water gives a great amouth of preasure. This presure is energy. Perhaps it did only cost a large amouth of power to set up the shield but it did not take very mutch power to sustain the shield because of the energy the presure of the water gave the shield. So lighting up atlantis when they came thrue the gate just broke the balance between the power from the ZPM and the power from the "presure of water". this is why atlantis would have been fine if the earth team did not come for another thousend years.

Just my thought. (bit taken from the film "the core")

Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 13th 2005, 7:02 AM

McKay said the shield would have only lasted another 100 or so years if they had not come through the gate. Watch 'Before I Sleep' and you'll see that the ZPM's power the shield, nothing else.

Posted by: dijksma Mar 13th 2005, 7:10 AM

I watched all the episodes. But it is true it only lasted 100 years!. But where do you see only the zpm powers the shields?

Other thing is. Could it be a ancient ship got lost during battle 10000years ago. With the ancients still on it. They were not able to go to atlantis because it was under water and the shield was up and the stargate did not take any wormholes from the pegasus galaxy. So.. Now they noticed atlantis is on the water. So they returned (only 3 crue members over) and they come and save the day the part 3 Or is this not possible?)

Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 13th 2005, 7:25 AM

Janis shows Weir the power source of Atlantis, 3 ZPM's powering the whole of the city.


Even if an Ancient battleship was found its not very likely there would be Ancients alive on it after 10,000 years. You saw in 'Beofre I Sleep' that the suspended animation chambers didnt stop the person from aging, it just slowed it down a hell of a lot. So if Ancients were found on a ship, they would be like Weir was when she was found in the chamber. Plus i got the impression that ery world was overrun by the Wraith, so i doubt any Ancients that were on board a ship could hide anywhere.

Posted by: wayne Mar 13th 2005, 11:01 AM

i think just as shep goe's to blow the wraith ship the debless appers and engages the wraith ships shep thinks i'm out of here go's back to atlantis the debless follows they get the zpm into atlantis the sheild protects atlantis and debless (which is within its sheild perimiter). Then the city with it's zpm powering it detects that there is wraith in the city releses some kind of virus that is only harmfull to the wraith and kills them. As for the ships in orbit maybe atlantis has so sort of other wepon that only the zpm will power like the wepon on the sattelite and destroy the wraith ships. the debless will stay to help protect atlantis.everybodys happy mckay gets some sleep and takes achill pill.
what do you think yey or ney

Posted by: wayne Mar 13th 2005, 2:06 PM

you know the one thing i don't get is why did the marine core from sgc only bring one mark 2 naquadah generater if they had 2 they could have powerded the chair for longer

Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 13th 2005, 4:22 PM

Time constraints. The SGC didnt have long to prepare to go to Atlantis so the chances are they only had time to build the Mk 2 Naquada Generator.

Posted by: Evo Mar 14th 2005, 12:46 AM

Plus, they thought that two would be enough because they thought Atlantis had thousands of drones just like the one in Anarctica, but since there were only 12 drones, well that sucks.

Posted by: dijksma Mar 14th 2005, 12:25 PM

think there is something very powerfull on board of atlantis. This is why: shield needs a lot of power. But not even a small bit of what atlantis uses. Thinking of the shield working another 100 years if the team did not come and thinking the team was only there for 1 hour when the shield started to fail. we can say the 3 zpm only can take care of the city for 10000/100 years * 1 hour = 100 hours > 4.16 days.... Or am I mistaken? what created this enormous power drain? If the 4.16 days are correct then there must be a ZMP recharger or factory. So what can the zpm on the deadulus do? not very mutch... Only rasing the shield but not powering up the city for a long time

Posted by: penno2005 Mar 15th 2005, 6:19 AM

why dont they go to the panet on Episode 6 - Childhood's End i know its protected the people but they need it more than them they just take the device and the zpm and put it in the city so when the darts fly at the city the emp field will kill them i know the zpm hsent got that much power left either but will help them when it says in the spoiler they come up against a wall or wraith darts this will kill them all in one go lol this would be big advantage to atlanits

Posted by: 93sdryden Mar 15th 2005, 2:33 PM

There must be some place in atlantis where the make or store the drons.
they were able to defend atlantis for a long time so they must have more in a store or somthing (like a room in atlantis that makes them).

Posted by: Philaldred Mar 15th 2005, 5:49 PM

its extremely interesting reading through all your ideas on what might happen, shame people take it to heart and start callin each other muppets thats just pathetic! anyway, i carnt really say that any1 is wrong in wot they are saying, who no's what will happen, im pritty sure the major escapes, hes 1 of the main characters and they carnt kill him off after the first season! i also believe that earths new ship has a part to play, the idea of the azguard is also reasonable, as some of you hav stated they do ow us a big big favour,
finally im going to say, i may quote sum episode i carnt really remember who it was and wot episode, but it went somthing like this... "Atlantis has alot more to offer" i believe that atlantis has a hidden secret, one that mckay hasnt discovered yet, i hope it anyways
thanks for you time in reading this post
all the best!!

Posted by: Esolece Mar 15th 2005, 6:01 PM

Well 5 naq generators and 7 pj's allowed a 1.3 second data burst to be sent. Not matter, Data so there's no chance of them sending the zpm through as the wormhole wouldn't last




Maybe it was an ancients on the way to Peagasus when it got trapped. Also i suspect that the ancients had an unusually long life span so it's possible that they were able to survive in the statis pods longer than weir. Take Aiyanna as an example, we have to assume she was in one and then it broke or she was taken out and look how well she was preserved and she thawed naturally.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Mar 16th 2005, 10:19 AM

"Well 5 naq generators and 7 pj's allowed a 1.3 second data burst to be sent. Not matter, Data so there's no chance of them sending the zpm through as the wormhole wouldn't last"

Not necessarily so, All they had was Data to send through the gate, They had nothing physical to put through & there is no reason why if they could establish a wormhole at all, that physical items cannot be sent through only data, Since it's open then anything can go through it in the alloted timeframe in this case just over a second.

So the SGC all they had to do was hook up 10 generators or as many Mark II's as they could then they would have had a few seconds & with someone standing close to the gate as possible, then when the gate locks & the puddle appears all they had to do was chuck it through, Which would have been easy since they don't currently have any major enemies or battles to fight, So they could spare it & have time enough to rebuild an ample supply

Although if they did this then Atlantis would have been protected & not much of a storyline could develop, Since it would have been protected & it would only have been a matter of time before it failed, By that time even if the Daedalus had come without the ZPM powering it's engines, It's more than likely there would be many more Hive ships having arrived anyway & one ship against all those would have been no match.

We do know however Shep won't blow the nuke with him on board as he is an essential character to the show. However the 2 hive ships & the other ships that come in the battlegroup which I presume are some kind of Battleships + the thousands of Darts have 2 be taken out somehow.

I don't think the Daedalus will arrive on the very first show, I think it would be far better to the plot to have the Wraith in control of Atlantis for an episode or 2 rather than having the Daedalus show up right at the very beginning of the Siege Part III & destroy everything.

I do think this will be the first Stargate show with it's own dedicated ship for regular use unlike SG-1 which hardly had Prometheus at all. Be that perhaps the Daedalus comes eventually to their rescue & gets destroyed in the process could be then the writers could make them discover coordinates to a known Ancient planet with an Ancient Battleship that is battle damaged & they struggle to repair it in time for the next armada of Wraith Ships.

My main opinion is since we know the Daedalus has Asgard Hyperdrives & it must also have other Asgard Tech like Beam/Weapon & shield technology, So by all logic the Daedalus must have at least 1 Asgard on board either as a crew member or simply as an observer in case any of the systems went down or got damaged since we would not know enough about Asgard technology to likely fix any problems encountered. So at some point I think Asgard will put people on Atlantis in season 2, since it's the main place of the Ancients & perhaps the key to saving the Asgard race from extinction.

Posted by: zero302154 Mar 16th 2005, 8:52 PM

james u put up some good information. but if the daedulus were destroyed wouldnt that kinded suck since its a brand new ship.

just cause the atlantis team get one zpm they can find out that it needs more then one to do any thing at all.

Posted by: zero302154 Mar 16th 2005, 9:04 PM

another thing just cause there is alot of asguard tech. dont mean there is any asguard on board. they sent asguard ships in stead, but i do doubt it. it is possible to have a asguard on though

Posted by: Aussie_Bloke Mar 16th 2005, 11:57 PM

Joseph Malozzi (executive producer) has already hinted that there will be an asgard team member in season 2.

Most likely will come on daedalus to helop with maintenance and with cloning reasearch.

Good point JamesyBHOY!

Posted by: tsot Mar 17th 2005, 7:17 AM

Dont worry he is making it up. I go with the theory that shepard gets beamed out just b4 it detonates then the dedolus kicks the other hive ships ass. Though it does seem a bit obvious and i would like to see some more tricks from the puddle jumpers or from atlantis. I mean the ancients were supoosed to be more advanced than the wraith so when dont they have sheilds and transporters or energy weapons instead of a limited number of drones.
Another flaw i have spotted in atlantis (guess it does make it more interesting but..) in sg-1 they always carry zat guns around, and with the recent defeat of most goa'uld you would think they could get as many as they wanted. Now whey the hell didnt they take any zats to atlantis. Then the rock hard wriaith could be killed with two shots!!!! Hmm no more man eating blue guys with deep voices hurray lets all have a picnic.

Posted by: penno2005 Mar 17th 2005, 4:19 PM

i was just about to post that about the zats it has really confused me i think they did that beacuse it would be to easy then to kill the wraith its always good when u c a nice shoot out now and then lol

oh yeah new sig look lol
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Posted by: Gwarsbane Mar 18th 2005, 12:54 AM

Sending physical items through the gate would take more power then sending raw data. Reason, physical items have to be converted to energy. Raw data can be sent as energy to start.

Another thing people are forgetting, the iris. If they dial up home then just chuck the data pad or what ever through its just going to hit the iris.


So if you are going to send a data pad, you're going to need at least 25 to 30 seconds.

Dial the gate get a connection
send IDC code (by all accounts it takes about 3 seconds to type this in)
code recieved and varified, order to open iris is given (now 15 seconds in) (longer travle time for the IDC code)
iris opens and ok message is sent back that it is open, (now 22 or so seconds in)
Person takes package and tosses it through, package pops out other end
gate closes. All that is about 25 seconds give or take.

In the Seige Part 2, it actually shows them getting the IDC while the event horizon is still forming so that was a bad bid of editing. Also when Atlantis first started it showed them taking about 7 to 10 seconds through space.

So they need the initial burst of energy to open the gate and still quite a bit to sustain it.


It would simpley be better and safer to take all that time and send all the data they can through electronicly and have the first message right off the bat say "We're out of squids send as many as you can when you can so we can refill atlantis."





As to what I think will happen in the season starter. Daedulus gets in sensor range sees the 2 ships left, gets a X302 (maybe they have something newer or maybe they beam it to them) ready. Drops out of hyper space near the planet, disconnects the ZPM, tosses it in the X302 and it heads down to atlantis. All the while of course talking to Atlantis.

The Daedulus then heads off towards the Wraith ships, sheppard sees the Daedulus, turns around and runs off to join them. There is a big fight, Daedulus is partly crippled but takes out one of the ships.

They pop in the ZPM, powers up all of atlantis, find out it only has a little power left in it (after all it was sitting in the desert for 5000 or so years and no idea how much power was left in it to start with and then powering a stargate to another galaxy and hyper space engines to another galaxy) But its enough to power up the whole city and pride them with a few minutes of shields if needed.

They use beam a nuke onto the renaming ship and BOOM. Daedulus limps back to the planet, but its so badly damaged that it can't hold orbit and don't want to chance it being dropped into the wraiths hands so they beam everyone off and crash it into the ocean. Maybe in a shallow area or maybe they land it on the ground or right on atlantis (how is the thing floating anyways).

Since they now have a ZPM they figure they can chance using it once to connect to earth, offer anyone that wants to go back to earth (minus absolutly needed personal) a way back along with injured, get everything ready and send everyone through. Maybe this don't happen in the first episode but maybe 2 or 3 episodes down the road.


This is all just a guess, it could happen exactly like this, or none of it could happen at all.

Posted by: jklyniad Mar 19th 2005, 8:01 PM

I obvoisly missed something while I was studying.... When did the SGC get another ship? And why name it Dedelus?

That aside, I like your plan for the episode, it sounds fun.

Posted by: Aussie_Bloke Mar 19th 2005, 9:37 PM

"Are there any other cities like Atlantis that were built by the Ancients? "For the answer to that one, check out Season Two of Atlantis."
(SG-1 executive producer Joseph Mallozzi, in a message at GateWorld Forum)
and
"An Asgard team would be too expensive. But an Asgard as a possible team member or recurring character? Well, check out Atlantis Season Two." (Co-executive producer Joseph Mallozzi, in an interview with Stargate-Project.com)

This Malozzi dude loves the spoilers doesn't he.

Posted by: Evo Mar 20th 2005, 7:35 AM

The Daedelus was introduced to us in episode Moebius Pt.1 when Carter said that it's Prometheus's sister ship - same design, but different specs.

Why they named it Daedelus was I don't know the answer to that

Posted by: mini_jack Mar 20th 2005, 3:43 PM

an asguard team member. lets hope is is not on sheps team can you imagin a asguard with a p90

Posted by: Spud Mar 20th 2005, 5:46 PM

Just back tracking!

If the SGC had managed to opened a gate to Atlantis, even for a few seconds, wouldnt Atlantis have powered up the Gate's shield. So the SGC would have sent the ZPM through and it promtely hit the shield and get destroyed!!! In Letters from Pegasus, as soon as Atlantis opend the gate to the SGC, they shut the Iris, recieve the IDC and the Data transfer and then the gate shuts down!

Posted by: Spud Mar 20th 2005, 5:49 PM

Daedalus was the father of Icarus. He made wings for his son to fly with, but his son flew too close to the Sun, his wings burnt and he fell to his death. It's all Greek mythology influenced!

Posted by: look_out_below Mar 21st 2005, 9:31 PM

Knowing the story behind Daedalus name only makes me think that it will indeed be destroyed or at least crash into the ocean on Atlantis but still be salvagable. I also agree with the opions that the Asguard will show up somehow in the episode. As to what will happen to the Major i think that the Wraith might actually be able to see the ship, but are just pretending they dont so that he will steer the puddlejumper close enough to the hive ships to be captured......why, prehaps to begin interogating Shepperard on Earth address, iris codes and so forth so that they can very quickly begin envading Earth once Atlnatis is totally taken, or who knows just a thought.
Also i think it would be fricken hilarous if for some bizarre reason an fleet of go'uld ships arrive, although i dont seriously think it would happen, and blows the wraith hive ships out of the sky only to take Atlantis themselves.
Dr. Weir: "The threat of the wraith is over. Thanks to the intervention of the Go'uld"
Mckay:"Oh thank God."
Go'uld:"Exactly"
Mckay:"Yeah, what?.....Wait a minute their not here to shake our hands"
Like i said above i seriously dont think it would happen, just a stupid thought

Posted by: General BM Mar 21st 2005, 9:57 PM

I have been giving this serious consideration and i think that the reason the third zpm didn't last another hundred yrs is because the Earth zpm ran out as the atlantis team was coming through, the atlantis DHD took power from the zpm and used it to keep the gate open (this was suggested in 48 hours on sg1), but the zpm on atlantis was nearly depleted in the process and ran out after the shield ran for a few more hours. Thus the ZPM on daedalus should last a while, hopefully.

Posted by: moneyj75 Mar 22nd 2005, 11:18 PM

I think what would be cool to even the odds in Atlantis's favor is when the Dadelus arrives with the ZPM it also has a couple of friends tagging along (Asgard).

Posted by: Aussie_Bloke Mar 23rd 2005, 3:07 AM

YES!!!!
That makes perfect sense......
The Daedalus arrives and it is "escorted" or "flanked" by two oniel-class Asgard battlecriusers. I mean - an intergalactic trip may be dangerous.

No doubt the new asgard team member will be on one of these two ships - not the daedalus itself. When they see the wonder and majesty of atlatis - they help rebuild using their sweet buildy things on their ships...and one of them says:"hey, i might hang around..."

Swwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeettttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Caliway Mar 23rd 2005, 12:12 PM

I'm a Little New, But i have a Thought or two in the spoiler Department

Makes sence tme anyway
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Posted by: JamesyBHOY Mar 23rd 2005, 12:25 PM

tsot wrote

"Dont worry he is making it up. I go with the theory that shepard gets beamed out just b4 it detonates then the dedolus kicks the other hive ships ass"

Oh you think so, Check this out then.This pic is from when the first Hive ship has been taken out then the others proceed to take out the sat.



A lot of people are forgetting although I hive ship was taken out, There are still 2 remaining PLUS 9 battle/war ships or whichever they prefer to be called. 3 Hive ships + 3 battleships to protect each one. So that leaves 9 ships + potential thousands of darts.

So there can be know possible way that 1 Earth ship(albeit enhanced.) Will be able to take out 11 enemy ships & survive unscathed, Since Prometheus has x302's in it as we seen in the lost city then it will only make sense that the new one does also but it will only be able to hold 10/15 of them max as it is not that big of a ship & also it will have a lot of supplies for Atlantis in it's stores as well. We already know that since Daedulus has Asgard Hyperdrives then it only makes sense that they will be given other tech to complement it be that shields/weapons/communications/beam technology or perhaps all of it. If this is the case we know Asgard ships cannot fire weapons while in Hyperspace or they cannot activate their shields. So it will also have missiles + probable rail guns/cannons they being simple in terms of design probably would fire but in doing so they would most definitely give away their position to the rest & be taken care of. Although it is possible to communicate while in Hyperspace so they could radio ahead to Atlantis.

With regards to the ZPM, Unless they have the bean tech installed then it would be madness to launch a 302 down to the surface with it, They would be target practise for the big ships & since they won't have stealth installed on them then the Darts would get it long before it got down, So they wouldn't be stupid enough to take a risk as big as that. A more logical explanation would be that they drop out of HS & use the ZPM to boost the shield & weapons then it will more than likely deplete the power source but there is a much higher chance of success in taking out maybe the hive ships & the battle ships will dribble themselves & back off.

As for what will happen to shep.Look how close he is to them, So whatever his fate is then it must be around the first things thats shown at the start of the new ep, So if big D & the cavalry don't come almost immediately into the new season or the ancient babe steps in & saves him at the last possible sec, Then!

Check this out



Anyone who has watched the end of the episode will know that he travels very quickly towards the ships in a mere matter of secs.

As to speculate what will happen to the city & shep, It's just far too convenient for at the start of the episode for big D to appear beam shep off, let the jumper take out a hive ship & D to take care of the rest or for Chaya to step in & save him only to see her being taken away from him immediately after by other the ancients for interfering.

The writers already made this mistake on SG1 end of s7 & start of s8, We see o'neill get frozen in Antartica only to have him out within an hour in the start of the next. So I don't see them repeating the same mistake this time or if they do they will seriously go down in my estimations of them.

A better scenario would be for the wraith to somehow detect the ship fire on it bringing him back into visible sight again & then they sweep the entire ship up & it suddenly disappears into the hive ship for interrogation. Meanwhile in Atlantis the wraith start to take control of the city but near the end they finally get into the gate room & as we see them dialling up the gate for earth we hear an incoming transmission from big D & they start their attack on this ships, They abort the dialling sequence & they know they can't go back to their ships so they start taking Ford & others through the gate to somewhere else in Pegasus, Then it switches back to space & we see the hive ship that shep is on starting to explode, then his cell door open from lack of power, & with the ship exploding around him he runs to the jumper & just gets out in time. Then in the city we see the survivors trying to regroup & mckay noticies that they have stolen the coordinates/gate address to earth or even others in the MW & that will leave it in suspense as it will keep everyone wondering if they are trying to build their own PS to dial an 8 symbol address. So Atlantis with Daedalus must go on the counter.

It's called the Seige III, So I personally think that the ship won't show up till near or the very end of the episode & we'll only get to see what happens in E2 & shep will get captured.

Although something no one seems to have mentioned yet is Teyla, We see an image of her fellow Athosians lying out of it with empty casings expended from their p90's, Yet Teylas weapon is still there but she is gone & E2 is called the intruder, So I think it maybe possible that she has gone bad & is under wraith control.

Still I doubt the Wraith will ever be written into getting more of a chance to control Atlantis than they currently are, Perhaps with the exception that maybe in their final battle a few series down the road then they may get another shot, So I hope the writers at least for the first ep of s2, let the wraith have control or part control then this will leave us wondering for the rest of the new series exactly what info did they get from the Ancient & Human databases & for the future continued success of the show it will be better to do somehting like that.

Lastly I doubt we will see Daedalus accompanied by any Asgard warships, If you remember they weren't anywhere near Dekara for the ancient weapons when Anubis & the Reps almost destroyed the galaxy. We know the reps have decimated their worlds & they only have 1 planet left & also Thor is again between bodies, He was possibly the only 1 that could convince the Asgard council but without him they most likely won't be bothering with another galaxy just now besides even if they did the Daedalus with the ZPM would be much faster, So what would the point be if they didn't all get there together. So the only people I could see if any coming to the rescue would be the new Jaffa nation as if you can remember when Sam/Jacob activated the ancient weapon it destroyed all the reps in the Goa'uld ships, So they would have been far upgraded engines/weapons/shields/systems by the Reps when they took control over them from the Goa'uld when they beamed aboard & started infesting the ships, So possibly these could make the trip & as there would be a fair few then they would be they only ones that I could realistically see coming to Atlantis's aid.

Posted by: DanQuim Mar 24th 2005, 6:39 PM

No one is thinking of the ring technology. Remember the ancients created the gate, and the rings. there must be a ring platform on atlantis, and we know there is one in the antarctic. Also the is one on the prometheus, so we can only assume there will be one on the dadalus. They will ring the zpm down with reinforcements. And probably beam Shepard out, or before shepard detonates the nuke he will see the dadalus and scrap the plan. This is my first post, but I watch stargate alot, and the spoilers have gone down hill. Interesting Ideas, but not really spoilers at all. try using the spoiler button for only real information.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Mar 24th 2005, 8:00 PM

That is a good point regarding the rings as I honestly totally forgot about them being on the Prometheus. I can't remember this but would the 2 points not need to be in a straight line for it to work, Since they don't know where they are in Atlantis then that could prove to be a problem, If there are any at all, Which if you think about all the ancient outposts having them then they probably will have a set or 2. Since the most obvious place to look would be the control room.

Although Shep is very close to the ships, Then if the Daedalus will show up then it will have to appear at the very start of the episode & I honestly don't think they will make it since that's what everyone will be expecting, I would still say it will show up near the end of the episode. So if Daedalus doesn't show up to save his bacon then either Chaya breaks the rules & gets him(Doubtful, but if she really is into him the way it was made out, then maybe she would defy the others & help out). Otherwise he either gets detected & breaks off(doubtful also, as with all those ships at least 1 you would imagine would get in a good shot & you have seen that a wraith dart can take out a jumper very easily as you saw in The Brotherhood, So imagine what the big boys would do to it.

I think the choice will go down to they let him get close enough having previously detected his approach & sweep him up or destroy the ship but sweep him up, So everyone in Atlantis will see the ship be destroyed on the sensors & think he too is gone but he really is on the Wraith ship. or another though was that perhaps the Jumpers have built in fail safes that prevent something like a kamikaze run from happening & transports him back to Atlantis, Right before the impact. If you see before I sleep when Weir, Zalenka, Shephard are trapped in the jumper bay & it's filled with water they can't get the doors open & he does something then the next thing they know they are in space 10,000 years in the past before being attacked by a couple of Darts. So would it not have been far more likely that as Atlantis was underwater when the Dr.Weir(10,000 year old one) goes through the city is under water then when they go in the time ship Atlantis has already been submerged by the Ancients, So that means that between those 2 dates the city was in the exact same position. So if they had travelled back in time the ship should have remained exactly where it was in the jumper bay. So for them to end up in space must mean that it had some beam technology, So perhaps the other also have it & that's what'll send him back.

Posted by: DanQuim Mar 24th 2005, 9:32 PM

I don' t think the ship will transport him back. I guess you would have to explain the change in position with planetary shift. 10000 years ago but was it to the day. The planet might have been in a different position around it's star. Plus if the transport thing were true it should have happened a couple of times, if they had that technology they probably would have used it on the satelite. But the ancients could have always piloted the ships remotely using the chair for dangerous missions, no risk to life at all.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Mar 24th 2005, 11:07 PM

I know the planet would be in a dirrferent planetary position over the course of 10,000 years but since they weren't moving & he somehow activated the time device then they still should have ended up in the exact same position that they currently were in except 10,000 before, That could have been directly in the ocean, or control room or whatever taking into account any movement the city may have experienced over the years but they still shouldn't have came out in space, So that is why I suspect they must have beam technology as well, Just no one knows that it's there or the ancients had it that's why they couldn't use it to get Grodin out of the sat or maybe even it's the pilot that directly affects it & since Shep seems to be the most compatible with the Ancient Tech, It's obvious before he blows himself up with a nuke that he'll be wishing he was somewhere else & as we all know the ships read your mind & perhaps it will automatically act on it to save what it will believe will be an Ancient due to the gene, So Shephard won't know but maybe the ship itself will detect & automatically beam him back to the city before it hits the hive ship.

Posted by: Aussie_Bloke Mar 25th 2005, 1:36 AM

Off topic but.......Naqueda in Milky Way, Neutronium in Idah, ??? in Pegasus.

Posted by: Skeptic Mar 26th 2005, 3:44 AM

This is my first time in this forum. I've read through a lot of messages on this topic. Some very imaginative idea's. I suppose the one that I would go with would be the Asgaard. After watching the season ender it seems the most likely possibility. Afterall it was mentioned several times that it would take Daedelus 4 days to arrive. This was in the first day of the siege. Seeing the Wraith landing at will on Atlantis tells me they had very little time left and no options. I believe at the very beginning of the next season the Asgaard will appear in force. I seem to remember back on SG-1 there was an episode when the team was captured and then the Asgaard appeared and made all of the Jaffa disappear. The only way for the defender's of Atlantis to eliminate all the Wraith in the city would be to make them disappear. And that the Asgaard can do! At the same time destroying the Wraith Motherships. Of course Sheppard has enough time to steer clear of the Wraith ships.

Posted by: iceman302 Mar 26th 2005, 9:24 AM

hey wat do u think about the idea of doing and all gate link like in mobieus, (to kill the replicators), to gather enough power to power the shields. coz as u know the gates use and store a hell of a lot of power. thus dialling every gate and somehow hooking it up to the power generators might just do it!

there bound to be some sort of powerful weapon on atlantis. after all look at the weapon on dakara.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Mar 26th 2005, 6:21 PM

I really can't see the Asgard coming to the rescue Atlantis, Their ranks were heavily decimated by the battle with the reps. They only have one remaining planet left & Thor beamed Carter off the ship as it was infested by Reps, He has not been seen or heard from since. So he if any would have the necessary influence to sway the Asgard council, So I think he doesn't even know about coming Atlantis attack. However since they didn't show up to help when Anubis & the Reps almost got control of the Ancient weapon. Then I don't think we will be seeing them coming to anyone's rescue as they have far more problems closer to home. Besides, The ZPM is powering the Daedalus's shields to allow it to arrive in 4 days. The Asgard don't have any of them & it will take longer than 4 days for them to get to Pegasus. So even if they were coming they wouldn't arrive before Daedalus & since the pic I showed above, Has 2 Hive & 9 Battleships then that's surely too many for it to handle alone. So they won't arrive in time. Another problem with them appearing is that the whole point of the show is to be alone in a whole new Galaxy, So if the Asgard come then it won't be like that, Especially since we know they have just over 20 ships in the same Quadrant of the Galaxy that Atlantis is in + 40 odd more scattered throughout the rest of Pegasus. So if they come to the rescue this time then they will surely need to stay for the remainder of the season. Specially since we know the Wraith won't take kindly to their superiority being challenged as proved by their defeat of the Ancient's & they would just send everything they had next time. Then everyone knowing there are a fleet of Asgard ships forming a ring of protection around the city will lose them lots of viewers, Since most people will kinda know what to expect. So I say this one option won't happen for definite.

Gate idea, I don't think it would be possible right now for them to do it, How could they harness all the energy from thousands of worlds gates simultaneously & channel it into their powering their shield, We know it can be done to dial all the gates as the same time, Harnessing all their energy output is another thing altogether, Probably the tech is already available in Atlantis to do ti, since they built the things, Although I think it will be awhile before they get around to understanding how to use the tech for things of this nature. So Perhaps in future then it might be done but not right now. Anyway if they had a plan on doing this surely it would have been attempted right after they lost the sat & not left until the Wraith are already inside the city. Being they could take over the control room & simply shut everythibg down from the inside. So I say this won't happen & if it ever does then it won't be for a good while down the line.

Although I do agree that they must have another major weapon somewhere in Atlantis, Nothing near the scale of the one on Dakara but probably enough to take care of anything in sensors range. Who knows it may even have it's own power source & automatically fire on the Wraith fleet by itself. Something like the cannons on Tollana.

Posted by: iceman302 Mar 26th 2005, 8:24 PM

in regards to thor disappearing if u remember back to the end of the reckoning carter says that thor's mind is in a computer and is awaiting a new body. so i think they might be able to help atlantis. look they were able to tow the promethus form our galaxy to theirs in a matter of hours. so without towing something they would probably make it in time. yes i do agree their ranks are4 very depleted but with a chance to reverse their cloning degeberation, i think they would jump at the chance.

look i do think my gate idea is a bit abstract and that they would have tried it already if they could. but i'm going back on the idea of a weapon being on atlantis coz if there was one wouldn't the ancients have used it instead of running back to our galaxy.

wat i really think that would happen is sheps going to blow up a hive only to be beamed down by the puddle jumper into a room some where in atlantis which either produces or charges zpm's, but he can't uses it because he doesn't know how to and goes to find mckay, only to find a head sucker( ancient libary of knowlegde). then he uses the knowledge to power the shields and weapons.

this idea is out there but when isn't stargate plot lines out there.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Mar 26th 2005, 8:31 PM

I know about him being between bodies, I actually put that in the post(last paragraph) with the pics in it, but he is still Mia at the moment.

I also put, that I do agree with you on the weapon bit, Drones can't be the only form of defense other than the shield & jumpers. There has to be something, In one of those big towers, that will open & you will see a big laser type thingy like the sat or better yet a cannon that the Tollans had, that was really cool btw.

Posted by: Ghost Slider Mar 27th 2005, 12:17 AM

But lets not forget, isn't there going to be an Asgard on Atlantis in season 2? So...Either the Asgard send a ship to help, or an Asgard scientist is on board the Dedalus, and comes to to Atlantis to help research for a solution to their reproduction problem. That, and help the Earth team thats there. Just my guess.

Posted by: iceman302 Mar 27th 2005, 4:42 AM

the theory of the asgard coming to the rescue is possible but u have to take into account they don't have many ships left and all their effort is being put into building their homeworld of ariqula. in the new order part 2 the asgard only have six o'neil class ships to defend their homeworld. look thor doesn't even have an o'neil class ship, he riding around in a science vessel.

To put it simply the asgard have neither the resources or the man power to mount a venture into the pegasus galaxy at this time. yes they do owe us a hell of a lot. and even if they do send ships it would be two or three at the most. they might chase off the wraith but they wouldn't be able to destroy them if the mount a full offensive. yes i know that asgard weapons are probably more powerful but the wraith still have superior numbers.

i believe if anyones going to save sheps its us with the help of the asgard being weapons and shields possibly hyperdrive tech

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Mar 27th 2005, 5:47 PM

It makes sense that if the Asgard are to give a far less advanced species than themselves(Humans) technology like Hyperdrive engines who wouldn't necessarily understand all the important info behind them. Then they would assign a crew member that would oversee the installation & maintenance of the new additions to the ship, which I will assume that it must also have some more Asgard tech in it. Things like weapons/shields/beam technology/Scanners/computers/replication equipment/communications perhaps not them all but atleast a couple.

I assume that the ship is not fully complete yet, Perhaps it's finished just not been properly tested under battle conditions, Sam tells Jackson that the new engines are being tested on Daedalus, Then a few epsiodes later in Atlantis we hear it's on it's way. So the Asgard member or 2 would still be on board, Especially now it would be more important than ever to have them lend their assistance.

Half way through the journey then the ship suddenly loses engine power & the HyperDrives cut out, Leaving them stranded at the edge of the Galaxy. So I honestly think they will have an Asgard or 2 on board but that's the most help we will get from them, Right at this very minute in time.

That does raise a lot of questions though, especially since if you read the spoilers regarding (ep3 runner) of the new season. It implies that the Wraith won't be on Atlantis for any longer than The Siege III, (As ep2 is The Intruder then there can't be many Wraith left in the city after the first episode.) So I am starting to think the writers are gonna screw up again. Just like they did with SG-1 end of season 7, we see O'neill being frozen in Antartica then around an hour into season 8, he is back to himself again. I'm starting to change my mind regarding the outcome of the Siege.

Posted by: swarmghost Mar 27th 2005, 6:04 PM

ok guys the Daedulus isnt supposed to get there for four days
get it when the they come from earth thru the stargate the general say "the the zpm is being transported to the Daedulus as we speak" well that is when he said four days

four days four days
and its only been one night that they have been there for

for all the people how are saying that Daedulus will save shep no way
Daedulus wont get there in time so something else has to happen
either shep opens the back door of the jumper and releases the nuke inside the ships defences

the asgard probably get there to say the day
i am thinking 2 asgard ships

Posted by: Maximusgeneral1 Mar 27th 2005, 6:46 PM

I do not think the asgard are going to come and save the day. They might have like one engineer or something on the dedlus but not a whole ship. I believe that Sheppard will detonate the nuke but just before he does, the ship beams him out of their and into atlantis where he will go on a killing spree to destroy all the wraith in the city. Kinda like he did to the geni.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Mar 27th 2005, 9:20 PM

To be honest, I can't tell how many days have passed since they arrived. We didn't see night & day come & go. Personally as I have put in previous posts, I do not think four days have passed, He actually said that it would be here inside of four days, However the ship could get there quicker than expected. They had no real experience of using a full ZPM in an experimental ship. So they have no real basis for giving them that particular timeframe. It could be sooner or it could be later.

Still, I originally have put that it won't show up till either near the end of the episode or at the beginning of the second. I hope this is still the case & it leaves an episode of the Wraith weaving havoc in the city, This would have far ranging effect for the rest of the series & would give the new series a kinda darker edge to it. It would suck to have Daedalus arrive in the first minute or 2 of the new series & wipe them all out.

Posted by: Zen Mar 27th 2005, 10:36 PM

ok, ive read all the posts before this, and Ive come to hate the beam tech on the PJ theory, and none of you, it seems, recognises that the Daedalus is supposed to arrive "within four days" - a vague time frame. Also, alot seem to think that the wraith attack on the same day that everrett and the marines arrive - not true. There is enough time between for the gene therepy to take hold on the marine pilots, to deploy the space mines, for the space mines to be destroyed, for the rail guns to be put in place, for Weir to barter for nukes AFTER being taken prisoner, for Zelenka and McKay to finish building the nukes (which took a whole day) before they were finally attacked by the hive ships. After the first dart raid, the scene switches from night to day. Assuming this is a few hours, and that they had a day after the marines arrived before the first wave (either that or they set up everything pretty quick), we'll round that off to one full day - 24 hours. Afterwards, they rig the jumpers for remote control with carson in the chair, which must have taken a while, they killed the wraith infiltrators, Weir asked for nukes and got them and was held prisoner for a while. McKay and Zelenka took at least a day for the nukes, and the battle with the hive ships went for a while. Adding it up, by the end of the episode, im estimating they have had between two and a half days and three days for the ship to journey - within four days could mean 3 days, 3 and a half days etc. Basically, the Daedalus could arrive at any moment, or in a few hours, but it isnt far away.

Im sorry if this all sounds confrontational, but ive just read my way through all of the posts, including all the really huge errors that have given me a headache trying to think on the logic behind them, and Im not gonna list them here. I just wanted to point this out because in four pages of posts (90 posts), no one else has.

What I think is gonna happen is the Daedalus comes out of hyperspace, taking the wraith by surprise and beams loads of wraith into space if it has asgard sensors. If it doesnt, they find a way I cant think of to clear the base. I dont think it will be a biological agent that specifically targets wraith - if the ancients had this, they would have spread it throughout the galaxy. I don't think sheppard will be 'beamed down by the puddle jumper,' either - they havent demonstrated any such capability or even hinted at it, and I would have thought that Sheppard would have wanted to beam out during the episode 38 minutes.

the only evidence of transporter tech from the ancients requires fixed movement - like the rings, stargates and transporter closets on atlantis - all require you to be in one specific place to move to its destination, which is also fixed to the corresponding rings/transporter closet/stargate (I know that the rings can drop you short range, but we're talking longer distances here - and that is fixed as well, but to just below the ship). I doubt they would have installed this tech in the jumpers but not the city.

The most likely scenario is that sheppard either drops the bomb off and flies away or goes into a dart bay or something and taken prisoner, or steals a dart or drops the bomb and flies off again.

Or Daedalus shows up and saves the day through impeccable timeing. It is also possible that hive ships have longer range transport beams - maybe thats what we saw in letters from pegasus.

And to put it into perspective for the asgard fleet idea - even with asgard drive, Pegasus will be a long way away. from the milky way, pegasus is 5,800,000 light years away. Im not trying to doubt our little grey buddies, but thats settling in for the long haul. in Prometheus unbound, they hadnt left the galaxy by the time they reached Vala. When they recieved the distress signal that led them to her, she was 50 light years off their course and it took 20 minutes to reach. That means they had a speed of 150 light years per hour if they diverted immediately, which would have put the journey time at 38,666 days - so that episode was kinda weird to have, unless the producers mixed the numbers around for the distances - artistic license and all that. So i guess anything is possible - maybe there will be asgard help arriving (but i doubt it).

And I seriously doubt the Daedalus will be destroyed before the end of siege pt 3, but it wont have daniel or any sg1 members on it, I think.

There, got a load off my chest - if you read to this point, good for you, your hardcore.

Zen

Posted by: Aussie_Bloke Mar 27th 2005, 11:46 PM

Asgard can travel faster than promethius even if it did have asgard hyperdrive engines. It doesnty have asgard power scource. Remember Thor TOWED the promethius to another GALAXY and it took 20 mins? Remember he was annoyed at that lack-luster pace?

Even his science Vessel - the daniel jackson - can jump between GALAXYS in mere minutes.

So even though the dadalus has asgard engines with a zpm boosting them - it obviously has something missing because it takes 4 days to get to another GALAXY.

I agree with the "escorting" idea - two asgard ships will help the dadalus along on its dangerous road. A bit like a mother holding a childs hand while crossing a highway.

An interGALACTIC trip is definately a highway that we havent crossed as yet - an we may need some help.

Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 28th 2005, 5:52 AM

Galaxies are different distances apart. just because the Asgard can travel between ours and their in minutes, doesnt mean they can do the same between the Milky Way and Pegasus. In 'The Fifth Race' O'Neill created a power supply that would provide 10 times more power to the gate so he could travel to the galaxy Ida. In 'Rising' part 1, the power to connect to Atlantis had to come from a ZPM, therefore the distance to Pegasus from the Milky Way is a hell of a lot more than the distance beween Ida and the Milky Way. So it is entirely possible that the shortest time to get to Pagasus is 4 days.

Posted by: Evo Mar 28th 2005, 8:02 AM

The only way the Prometheus got towed was because it didn't have the Asgard hyperdrive, if it did then well there wouldn't be a need to get towed.

Posted by: mossypanda Mar 28th 2005, 11:26 AM

wow great ideas being posted here!!

alot of ppl have been talking about the asgard showing up... well it is possible but somehow i doubt their presence for the longer term even if they do get atlantis out of this mess... why? because in my opinion it would undermine the whole "underdog" status that the writers of sg1 and atlantis use so well.... no one really wants to see us just becoming a second bunch of ancients (and fighting the same kinda war they did)... we like seeing how we beat wraith/goauld/etc by wit and guerilla tactics... having a permanent asgard team member is something that while cool may be abit weird.... for example i believe it would take out some of the comedy and flair to mckays arrogant and dramatic attitude... not to mention taking away the drama and suspense of any s2 technological crisis.... just imagine something like "the storm" happening with a (relatively) know it all asgard there to instruct repairs and modifications.... mckay would be useless.... the drama is gone... and whole underdog thing goes out the window and that is a precious thing to the sucess formula of both sg1 and atlantis series methinks

anyhooo back on topic i think daedalus will arive near the end of seige part 3 bringing the zpm just in time for the conclusion whereby atlantis is then able to unleash a previously uncommissioned weapon to rid themselves of the threat... sheppard will survive some other way... most likely dropping the nuke out the back and somehow crash landing back on the planet or getting captured by wraith.... but back to how atlantis rids themselves of the wraith invasion force... i have a very wild theory but perhaps one of the "suprise weapons" that people have been aluding to is actually replicator technology... (yes know it sounds crazy but hear me out for abit).... the only thing i can see more numerous and deadly than wraith are the replicators (which i might add are entirely synthetic making them unpallatable to the wraiths feeding powers) .... the replicators were suposedly created by the android reese's "father" (perhaps an ancient) on some unknown planet (presumably in the idah galaxy)... and perhaps the original design of replicator tech was ancient and hence atlantis has a "perfected and controlled" squad of replicators to guard the city (and attack the wraith intruders once the daedalus zpm is installed to activate them) .... or perhaps not lol ... perhaps the scientist who made reese was an ancient who escaped atlantis and went to idah to research a means of beating the wraith if they ever did return to atlantis only to have the replicators run amok and get out of his control.... either way whether it be in seige part 3 or somewhere near the end of the whole atlantis series i have a hunch that the replicators hold the key to beating the wraith... and that we havent seen the last of replicator technology yet (assuming either the ancients already have a feasable perfected version of it or somewhere along the lines of the series the asgard/atlantis team figure out how to control it)

bleh... twas just my 2 cents... (albeit rather poorly articulated...and abit off topic i know sry hehehe) but what do u guys think?

Posted by: Popcorn Mar 29th 2005, 9:21 AM

I?m not a die hard fan, and not a big message board person, but here goes?
We are totally underestimating the ancients, they must have known that the ZPMs would eventually fail, and power the shield down, crushing Atlantis under the sea. And in Episode 19, we find out how the overloading generators and blowing up Atlantis wouldn?t stop the Wraith from getting at the Ancient technology, so if the humans didn?t arrive then the wraith would have eventually found Atlantis, all the ancient technology, and a shiny crystal to open a gate to a new bountiful dimension. Assuming the ancients are the smartest race we?ve encountered, they must have thought of that possibility. For all we know, Atlantis would realise it was being overrun and make a last ditch attempt at saving itself, using a new toy we haven?t heard of before. Maybe a biological weapon, a bomb, but something there is only one of, that way the humans are still not save. Then the Daedalus arrives a little late, and everyone?s happy except the wraith, who would no longer underestimate the humans and this time bitch slap them with 20 hive ships. It would leave a larger battle to be fought, even though the humans have Atlantis secured with their ZMP, they would only be safe a short time because the wraith defeated the ancients before.
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Posted by: Sighfienerd Mar 29th 2005, 10:14 AM

You've thought this out very thoroughly (for someone who isn't a die-hard fan). But in my opinion, I think the problem is we've totally overestimated the ancients. I think their society evolved intellectually and technologically to such a pinnacle that they came to rest on their...laurels, as it were.

Then slow entropy set in and they came to rely heavily on existing technology and knowledge. When the Wraith came, they had stagnated to the point that they were no longer able to come up with innovative solutions to new problems, which is, lucky for us, a strong point for the "Earth" humans, and which is what will enable us to defeat the Wraith in the end, succeeding where the Ancients failed.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Mar 29th 2005, 11:03 AM

Obviously they would have know that the power would have eventually failed. However I don't hink they gived a toss, We know once they sunk Atlantis they went back to Earth where they lived out the remainder of their lives. So if they were that concerned then why not return to the city in 10/100 years. To at least do a spot check on it, This way there would have been plenty of power left in the ZPM. So all they had to do once there was climb in a jumper, Fly out of the planet & have a thorough search for Wraith ships. Then all they had to do was, Go back to the planet & trace the route that Atlantis would have to take then dial the corresponding gates of the planets. & Once through they could fly up into space & check the surrounding areas. So if it was all safe then they could have made an attempt within 100/500 years after they returned. This way they would face negligable resistance & by destroying any enemies they come across they won't get a chance to send any info back to the hive ships. Then they would have had a good chance to escape back to the MW or even another galaxy if any was closer.

Although it was risky, the point I am trying to make is that they didn't even bother checking back on the city at all. So they weren't overly concerned about the Wraith being able to detect Atlantis.

Your point about if the humans hadn't found the city then the Wraith would have is not true. If they hadn't found it in 10,000 years, then if the Humans hadn't come through the ZPM would have only lasted for another few years before giving up then the ocean would have crushed the city & it would have never been found by anyone again especially the Wraith. All of them wouldn't have awoken at the same time if they hadn't encountered the SG Atlantis team. So any caretakers wouldn't have bothered with going to the planet that Atlantis is on, since we know the planet was empty of Human life.

Atlantis won't be able to launch any other hidden weapons, If it does have any. Which I think that it will. If you look at pics of the city. There are some things that look like they could open up & reveal something. Although it would have to have it's own power source. Since all ZPM's are currently depleted & the generators ain't powerful enough. If it doesn't then perhaps if the Daedalus can get the ZPM down & they managed to get it plugged in. Then it might automatically come online & fire.

Also what do you mean about a shiny crystal to open up a new dimension.

Posted by: avatar28 Mar 29th 2005, 1:57 PM

First, Zen's right. It's been at least a couple of days since the Marines arrived from Earth. The nukes alone took a day McKay said. Figure in time for Weir to negotiate for them, etc and other stuff, we're probably pushing close to the four days the Colonel quoted.

I disagree with the distance to Pegasus, though. I believe it's been explicitly stated that Pegasus galaxy is our own local dwarf Pegasus galaxy. That puts it at about 3 million light years distance. The IDA galaxy of the Asgard should be at least as far, possibly further.

Since the Asgard can cross the distance between our Galaxies in a matter of minutes, yet the Daedalus is taking days even with the ZPM boosting the engines, I think it's safe to say that it probably does NOT have an Asgard hyperdrive, though they may have suggested some improvements to our designs.

As for what I think will happen, Sheppard will vent the rear compartment of the PJ, sending the nuke tumbling towards the Wraith ship and he is able to make his escape. The nuke probably will damage one of the Hive ships.

Since we know the Daedalus has Asgard beaming tech, it also stands to reason that they probably installed Asgard sensors this time around. Remember the ending of Thor's Hammer when Thor showed up and beamed all the Jaffa away? Same thing happens to all the Wraith on Atlantis, courtesy of the Daedalus.

Having dealt with the most immediate threat to the city, the D turns her attentions to the Wraith ships in orbit. I will probably succeed in taking down the damaged ship and maybe some support craft before being too damaged to continue the fight. They're forced to back off, but not before beaming the ZPM down to Atlantis. With the ZPM installed, Sheppard is able to use the chair to activate the shields and some prior unknown weapons on Atlantis, possibly something like the beam weapon used by the defense satellite to take out the remaining Wraith ships.

Episode ends with the Daedalus landing for repairs and to offload all their cargo. It may or may not return to the Earth at this point and the ZPM is probably drained to the point that they can restore some power to the city, but not as much as they would like. To fully reactivate it will require more. Remember it required 3 ZPMs running in parallel to power the whole city for the Ancients. Even with fewer people, the power drain may still be too much for the one ZPM to maintain indefinitely.

Posted by: penguinpimp42 Mar 29th 2005, 3:40 PM

I dont post that often, just read constantly, but, I just had an idea. It doesnt seem like anyone has brought this up yet so it probably wont happen....but. They said we would eventually encounter the people the made the nanovirus, obviously later in the season. However, the nano-virus doesnt affect people with the gene....and pretty much anyone left alive has the gene, of course, did Weir ever get it? I cant remember.

Anyways, what if they were to release that virus into the city, it would wipe out the wraith in the city, and leave whoever has the gene standing, right? I'm not sure if it is even still around, the EMI blast knocked them all out, but who knows, maybe another store is laying around, or something even better, that the wraith just stumble upon.

They have already encountered quite a few neat and nasty things in Atlantis, too bad that energy sucking thing isnt still around, but who knows with the wraith storming around in the city, they might accidently unleash something. Because even if we take out the hive ships, and are able to raise the shields, the city is still filled with wraith, and gotta get rid of them somehow, I do like the idea of just beaming htem out with asguard technology, but not sure if that will work.

I think cheya will end up playing a part in this, because i cant see any logical way of shepphard being saved, how is daedalous going to show up and just beam him off, they have to know where he is, and he is pretty close to those ships, we're talking minutes. Also, however, we do know that Ford gets captured and interrogated and turned into that super soldier, so maybe the wraith do capture shep and he is able to disable the ships from the inside.

Posted by: iceman302 Mar 30th 2005, 3:12 AM

this is a reply to "popcorns" theroy

hey wat if popcorns right and we are underestimating the ancients and atlantis. it is said that atlantis runs on 3 zpm power sources, every1 knows that but the ancients must have know it will eventually run out, and i do believe that they did intend to return but they learned to accend. so it is my belief that they did have a contingency plan.

now to my theory, what if they modified atlantis's power supply to withstand the siege by the wraith several million years ago. what if they no longer required zpm's, what if there is a new type of power supply. a power supply that they had developed that was infinite, because it is not beyond the ancients. if thet did, it would be something like this. we know that zpm's gain their power by using a region of enclosed subspace. now we know that it (zpm) will eventually run out. now wat if they managed to tap into a black hole. coz a black hole is an infinate source of subspace matter.
now back to my theory, what if this power supply was hidden deep inside the city, and switched off after the ancients abandoned atlantis. now back to the episode (seige 3) we know the wraith r in the city, what if they accidently turn it on and atlantis beomes its true self and powers the shields to full.

i know this theroy is out there but it is not beyond the ancients. they were the most powerful beings in our galaxy and in the pegasus's. but remember they lost becasue of wiat of numbers, and not because of infferior technology.

Posted by: Popcorn Mar 30th 2005, 4:04 AM

The normal Stargates are unable to open a wormhole to another galaxy because they are missing an eighth chevron. In episode 9 ?Underground? (the team finds a planet which is inhabited by an energy race that looks like mist, and the team thinks they can go home, and then pass out and get illusions) Dr. Rodney McKay take the crystal out of Atlantis and put it in the gate of the mist world. This crystal is found in only two places, the earth Stargate and the Atlantis Stargate. The crystal creates an eighth chevron which allows the gate travellers to travel to another galaxy. This crystal is the only thing that is stopping the Wraith from getting back to earth.
The Wraith obviously knew where Atlantis is, because they we fighting the Ancients for many years and we know that the last defence the ancients have was their shield around Atlantis. For some reason, the Wraith didn?t decide to go back for the city after the Ancients left. But common sense would say that the shield couldn?t operate forever, it was simply a matter of time before the Shield powered down. And time is what the Wraith have, because they can hibernate. And the Atlantis team did awaken them, but they would have woken anyway because they feed every few years, the Atlantis team just shortened there hibernation by 50 years.
As for the Asgard coming to Atlantis? it doesn?t seem very logical, I mean they were crippled after the war with the replicators, and they not very helpful in the first place, when the Go?auld propelled a naquada comet towards earth the Asgard didn?t send help, when the Go?auld attacked earth, on several occasions, the Asgard were called upon and didn?t assist. The refused to give weapons, shields, cures for illnesses. Sure they save the day on occasion, but they owe the humans. They like to have a bubble bath on Cimmeria, while the humans do all the hard work. But I think the key point is that they would have mentioned the Asgard ships coming, it?s not something that skips your mind. But you never really know.
As for what will happen to Johnny in his magical space ride to give the Wraith a present, I can?t see what will happen to him, whatever happens he will probably survive, and succeed in a very heroic way.
The Daedalus will show up eventually, maybe we could expect an Asgard to be on the ship as well, it would be cool to have a little dude on a Stargate team.


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Posted by: JamesyBHOY Mar 30th 2005, 8:57 AM

Sure the ancients would have know that it would have run out eventually. I'm sure over the course of millions of years they have went through a few of them. If they had planned on returning them surely they could have done so, Within a timeframe of 50/100/200/500 years. After that all the worlds would have been culled. The large majority of the Wraith fleet would have been back in hibernation. So there was no call to say, Oh we can't go back home anymore. Let's ascend instead. If they were at least concerned for the city's safety then they could have at least returned once to have a little check.

The Atlanteans couldn't have modified tthe ZPM's to combat the Wraith threat millions of years ago. Since the war only began & ended around 10,000 years ago. If they had developed an infinite power source then, Surely if they had that why even bother evacuating the city in the first place. If the shield would never have failed then they would never have left or lost the war. So when they left, They wouldn't have turned off an infinite energy source that is supplying the shields & holding back the ocean with one that will run out. Simply because if it runs out then the city will be crushed by the ocean or perhaps the Wraith could know since they have destoyed ancient battleships, outposts, planets, then they must have come a across a ZPM at some point. So it's not out of thinking that they could have done their own experiments on it to discover it's lifespan. Since we also know they have fed on Ancients then they could have extracted the necessary info about how many power the city. The exact same way that they did with Sumner.

So I highly doubt they could have an infinite power source. The ZPM was powerful enough & for millions of years, they had the technology to easily replace it. No other race had anything like it. Then they met the Wraith. They were caught offguard & unprepared. So there would have been no time to develop anything like that as there was a war going on.

The most obvious 2 answers though, that I think disproves it are.

1. If they did have it & it was switched off, Then when Weir went back in time in Before I Sleep. The Ancient who helped her. He was the one who put in the fail safe to raise the city. So why put Weir in a Stasis chamber & make her awaken every 3000 years to rotate & repalce a ZPM. When simply he could have switched on this infinite power. He couldn't have forgotten about it. When Weir was addressing the council, She specifically mentions the ZPM's running out when they arrived. Then when he is instructing her on how to change the ZPM's, I'm sure that would have also jogged his memory.

2. What is the point in having a show at all, If the writers are going to give it a never ending power supply. If that was the case then when the Hive ships are bombarding the shield from orbit & all the hundreds/thousands of Darts are blasting away at the shields. The they could go out to sunbathe & give them a little wave.

The likelyhood anyway is that the Wraith will only be in the city for at least 1 episode perhaps 2 max. So if it's hidden deep inside the city(Surely if it powers the whole city, then would it not be in the exact same place that the ZPM's are in, which will be the power room to the whole city.) They would have no way to find it, Unless it's a big flashing red button, That has a nice big sticker. "Press me to activate, Infinite Power Ahead."

I would although agree with you though, on the fact that it wouldn't have been beyond them to develop it. Although should it ever be discovered then there musn't be much long left for Stargate's lifespan.






True the Wraith knew where Atlantis was, Yes they were at the city's gates for years. However what explains why they didn't find it after it was sunk was simply. When the Ancient's decided that they would sink the city. Then they went on the offensive. The would have Used all the Drones that were left to destroy all remaining ships(After attempting unsuccessfully for years to penetrate the shields, they wouldn't have had the supplies/power for a full strength military campaign. So they would have taken it in turns or shifts. A few Hive Ships/Battleships/Battlecruisers etc would go for the city then if they got through them they could have held or taken the city while reinforcements were on the way. They would have taken turns for weeks/months at a time before being replaced by the others. So all that needed to be done was decide to sink the city, Then launch an unexpected attack, Drones, Jumpers etc. Destroy the few ships that were left. Then while they were being destroyed they would have sent out an sos for help. Once the ships were all destroyed, Sink the city & lower all the power emmissions eminating from the city. When the other Wraith ships appear they will see no sign of Atlantis. There will be no signs of wreckage, So they will simply d it was back to hibernation.

Yes that Wraith would have awoken in another 50/100 years to feed again. However it wouldn't have mattered. If the Atlantis team hadn't come through the gate. The cities shield would have failed within a couple of years anyway. So the city would have been crushed long before they had awoken.

There won't be any Asgard ships coming to the rescue, The whole point of the show it to have it set as them being stranded alone in an inhospitable galaxy against a seeming unbeatable enemy. So if the Adgard ships show up, then what happens when they destroy the Wraith ships. More will only be weeks way(there were just over 20 Hive ships in their quadrant of the galaxy alone, the other 40 would be around a couple of months away.) So to have any effect the Asgard ships would need to stay permanently. Then if anyone want to go home then can hop on the Asgard ship then have replacements from the SGC there in days. If this was the writers plan then would it not be better to just have SG-1 come to Pegasus & travel home for the weekends. So it won't happen.

There will most likely be an Asgard or 2 on the Daedalus for the same reasons as I put before. Then after it's finished they will go down & be a member of the Atlantis team. We know the Asgard know about ancient technology, They have an ancient database but have previously said that they have only scratched the surface of it. So it will not come down & automatically know how to operate & decipher everything. It will be a lot smarter & help them solve a lot of problems but it will be made to do so in such a way that it will be seen as arrogant & it will treat McKay as a child. Then McKay won't be the smartest one there & everyone will be turning to the Asgard for assistance. It will be getting all the attention. He will go & have his tantrums. It will be hillarious. Can't wait!

Posted by: Aussie_Bloke Mar 31st 2005, 7:18 AM

In the preview for duet - it says something like - "dont give away our position"

Maybe at the time of "duet" the wraith think that Atlantis was destroyed and that it is no longer a threat - it seemed to me that way.

Maybe in the seige 3 events - the wraith blow up a bit of atlantis and think the job is done. Damn! Whats gonna happen!!!!!11

Posted by: Major Phule Mar 31st 2005, 3:35 PM

This is kinda like what I was thinking. I am not sure if this spoiler has been thought of but here goes.



Well that is my try at it. You know the writter for atlantis are might just be scanning the forums for Ideas.

Posted by: Major Phule Mar 31st 2005, 3:44 PM

Just read the reply from avatar28. I should read more before posting my ideas. lol

Posted by: avatar28 Mar 31st 2005, 5:52 PM

LOL.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Mar 31st 2005, 6:54 PM

Not really, I would assume the most important thing would be to get rid of all their ships in orbit. If you don't get rid of them then backup will arrive. So even if they somehow got the ZPM into the city at the very start & raised the shields, The ZPM will only hold out for so long. The best course of action would be for the Daedalus to use it to boost the weapons(assuming there are some Asgard ones also installed. In 'The Lost City' pt2, they expended their weapons very quickly. So against 2 hive ships & 9 BC's they won't stay in one piece for too long. If they don't have any Asgard weapons then it wouldn't matter if they attempted to get the ZPM down as their first act. If however they have some form of Asgard/Goa'uld weapons then the extra power from the ZPM would allow them to kick ass all over the place. Fair enough, It will drain the ZPM a good bit but for using one to fly to another Galaxy anyway, I'm sure that has had a good bit taken out of it also.

So even in the Wraith remain in the city, other than through the gate they cannot call for backup as there will be none. Whereas if the ZPM was put in to the city straight away(The Daedalus if it has alien weapons probably won't survive, without the extra power being supplied to them.) The city's shield is glowing again, Now with Wraith loose in the city, when they see the shield go up they will try to power it down again as their no1 objective. Say they get a lucky shot in to a critical system or get to the power room directly, the shield goes down backup arrives they take the city. Now my way, Big D uses the ZPM drops out of hyperspace & gives it everything at them, Will at least get 1 down due to the suprise it will cause. Then either target the other cruisers(without backup the Hive will retreat) or take the other Hive out(the BC's will retreat. Better yet, go nuts & take them all out. Put the ZPm down to the city, The Wraith manage to knock out the shields. Doesn't matter, No backup will arrive, So instead the Daedalus can send it's 302's down then realising they have been thwarted this time, they retreat through the gate.

Then when all is clear, McKay can attempt to get the ZPM up & running again, Even if he cannot, All other Wraith ships will still be a few weeks away from reaching the city. Then they have enough time to go to the other known outposts to look for their ZPM's or go back to the planet from 'The Brotherhood'. Proceed to Grab the woman who double crossed them, Take her back to Atlantis & attempt to show her they are the modern day Ancients. Then they might be able to persuade her to reveal the location of the ZPM or if not, then make her tell them where it is. Another thought was as they have a few weeks, The Daedalus could travel a few days back towards the MW & send a subspce msg, Hopefully it will be picked up by the Asgard & relayed to the SGC. Who can get the Jaffa Fleet who have the modified Replicator enhanced ships to go to Pegasus. Then let the battle begin. This though won't happen. Destroy the Wraith so quickly then the show won't have long left in it's lifespan.

Posted by: iceman302 Apr 1st 2005, 9:28 AM

hey i was thinking about the theory that others are saying about the deadulus, and why earth would send it to the pegasus galaxy. my view is why on earth would you send the deadulus to another galaxy where there is an enemy such as the wraith. they beat the ancients and their advanced ships/technology, for god sake and i don't why you would send such a primative piece of technology to fight a far more powerful enemy. look we know the 303 can only carry 6 to 8 302 fighter craft, like this is going to stop the wraith. they've got shitloads of darts and bc's. look i know it has been upgraded by the asgard, and enhanced by a zpm.

but my logic is why send the deadulus, when u could have easily modified a hatak to make it far superior and give a fight to the wraith.

Look firstly with the jaffa now free and owe us afavor for helping them defeat the gouald. they would probably give earth at least 1 hatak with gliders.

Another advantage a modifeid hatak has over the deadulus is that the hyperdrive works and is stable and with modification by the asgard it could be alot faster maybe even match asgard speeds.

With the zpm to enhance it the weapons and sheilds will be more power and the asgard can help us make them better as well.

but the most important advantage that the modified hatak has over the deadulus is that it has long range sensors and working asgard beam technology. this could be a very good feature in fighting the wraith.

other advantages are that a hatak can carry alot more gliders and possibly 302's then the deadulus.it can also carry alot more food and resources for the atlantis team as well as personal.

thus this is why i can't get around the fact they earth is sending the deadulus rather then a modified hatak. i see the hatak is beeing a way better option then sending an unproven 303 the deadulus, even if it is enhanced its not going to stand a chance if it is out numbered.

this is my opinion anyway, but i would like to see what you guys think.

Posted by: danielonmymind2 Apr 1st 2005, 2:09 PM

i dunno if anyone's put this idea out there yet, but i am anyways:

the new colonel at atlantis somehow gets in the hands of the wraith, and is on one of the hiveships. a wraith is questioning him, but he won't tell them anything. he now realizes what a threat these things are to atlantis. then the wraith starts feedin on the colonel. all of a sudden, sheppard comes in (he somehow gets out of the suicide mission) and sees all this happenin, and shoots the colonel (exactly like what happened to colonel sumner). then sheppard kills all the wraith that are around him, and goes up to the almost dead colonel. the colonel tells sheppard that he now knows why sheppard did what he did to sumner, the colonel dies, and sheppard gets out of the hiveship.

who knows?

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Apr 1st 2005, 2:36 PM

I do agree with you there, Logically the only ships that could come to the rescue would be the Jaffa Fleet. The modified Replicator ships would have been perfect & surely for all the SGC has done in helping them out in gaining their freedom. Then they could have gave them a half a dozen/dozen ships, Use the ZPM on 1 to boost all it's systems then get that there to Pegasus. Then that could take care of them, If not all can be destroyed then any left would surely retreat, Then with other backup being weeks away for the Wraith. The other Hat's or MS's would arrive from the MW to help out. Although I put this same info in other posts, Perhaps since we really don't know the definite timeframe between the 2 shows. Then perhaps the ships were still being used at the time. So the only available ship was Daedalus.

If this was the case & only Big D is coming to the rescue, Then although they would be aware of what they were putting it up againt. I honestly don't think they had a choice otherwise, Think about it for a minute, Your backed in a corner fighting for you life. What would you do! You would throw everything you have at them in a desperate attempt to get yourself out of that situation. So Daedalus seems to be way more advanced than Prometheus, So other than the ancient outpost, This ship would be Earth's most powerful weapon. I doubt it'll be anything like the Prometheus in the terms of armaments. In 'The Lost City' it expended all it had very quickly without doing any damage to the ships in orbit. They were only able to take out a couple of Hat's & Gliders. So all it's weapons which I would assume to be missiles & rail guns would have had to at least been attempted to be upgraded. The Daedalus is geared more towards Alien Tech, So it'll most likely have been upgraded after what they saw happen to Prometheus. The most likely weapons will be Goa'uld although I hope the Asgard have chipped in a bit also in that department.

I hope the overall look of the ship, although it appears to be very similar to Prometheus in the schematic we have saw of it. With a bit of luck it'll be far more streamlined. Prometheus looks like a big D### with 2 balls dragging it along. Plus mix in Goa'uld & Asgard tech(Comms/Shields/Engines/Weapons + other advanced tech) then it could just make it out in one piece. The only concern is the Prometheus I'm pretty sure has 8 302's, Say Big D has a couple more they will still have no chance against the swarms of Darts they will encounter. Especially if you can see how easily they can take out a Jumper, which in itself could destroy a Hat'ak in a single shot, I doubt a 302 could do that. If they must destroy it, then it should only be replaced by a Battle Damaged Ancient Warship. Leaving them with no ship at all would royally suck.

Posted by: iceman302 Apr 1st 2005, 11:47 PM

i agree jamesybouy, it would really suck if the deadulus was taken out as soon as it arrives and tries to repel the attack. but with yor point of the timeframe and how your kind of imply that they are still fighting relicators or anubus. i can't see this happening because technically they already have the zpm from ra. this only occurs in sg-1's last episode of season eight. at this point they ,mention that they have already defeated the replicators/ anubus and to great extent gouald. also in mobeius 1 carter says that the deadulus is still being finalised and tested so by the time its workinhg and preparing to embark on pegasus. i think they should have considered the hatak idea. it is a more logical and sfe idea. look a modified hatak could take maybe 50 to 100 gliders a few vargo ships and probably 1 to 4 alkesh. i really don't see why you wouldn't use a hatak as the first offencive on the wraith and have the deadulus and other hataks come later on. like i said before it already has beam tech and sensors with effective weapons. and ireckon it would have been really cool if it was able to cloke like when apophus had his fleet cloked.

look i know this isn't going to happen because the deadulus is already on its way but the modified hatak is a lot more stratigically better against an enemy lik the wraith.

i can see jamesy that u share my view that 302's arn't going to do s**t to the swarm of darts. for god sake they use missiles and rail guns. to put it simply were using tumb tacks and their using machine guns. i don't think the deadulus is going to survive for long maybe 1 to 5 episodes coz its doomed when the wraith attack in force, but thats if they don't get blown out of the sky when they arrive at atlantis in the first place. look even if they have asgard shields and weapons. the odds are 10 to 1. the ancients were going on odds like that and they got there ass kicked. and you can imagine how much more advanced there ships were!

Posted by: jagace Apr 2nd 2005, 12:21 AM

But personally, i think i know what happens. First thing we see is a summartion of the previous two. Then, credits and such and such, but you then see Sheppard flying the ship and a flash of light. Duh, one wraith ship gone. however the second wraith ship has beamed him up Scotty, and well, sheppards now unconscious and in the other ship. The second jumper now goes up while the rest of the citty is still in chaos. you then see that a whole bunch of the humans on atlantis are now on the wraith ship, a reprive you might call it. Sheppard is going to steal a wraith dart, or something that can fly and leave the ship with a whole bunch of the captured people, space fight galore. Daedulus is going to show up about halfway through the fight, and sheppard get on, second nuke get sent up, and while the deadulus is distracting the wraith, the jumper goes in and kills the second wraith. or gets destroyed. Did anyone consider what happens once the ZMP is removed from the ship? is it a whoopY and the end? i think not

Posted by: iceman302 Apr 2nd 2005, 1:07 AM

jagace, i agree with your last point, whats going to happen when the zpm is beamed down? well simply i don't believe its going to happen, if the deadulus arrives to engage the wraith over atlantis, they are going to need the zpm, they are not going beam it down. its just stupid even with the zpm they are not goiong to be able to take out all the wraith ships iin orbit. beaming it down to atlantis is going to be suicidal. they will be blown out of the sky. if anything is going to happen the deadulus is going to have to land on atlantis, if it does its going to sustain heavy damage. this is probalbly the only possibility due to the fact once they remove the zpm. there going to be pretty much defenceless, and will need atlantis's sheilds for protection. i've read alot of theories going around and most people are saying beam it down send a 302 or somthing like that. but like i said before remove it and there doomed. even if they have have advanced shields and weapons they are not going to be able to sustain constain fire by the wraith ships. thus i believe that it will be unlikly that the deadulus is going to save the day. or the asgard sending a fleet of ships. at most maybe some hataks with free jaffa, long shot but possible. but its probably going to be shep going somthing about it maybe ford, or a long shot mckay doing somthing stupid or by mistake.

Posted by: Mister Oragahn Apr 2nd 2005, 5:14 PM

The modified Ha'tak sounds cool, but then I guess that'd keep the modified Ha'tak for Earth, and instead send ships which they know how to produce on their own, instead of relying on some ship was could have been sabotaged, modified with secret programs and so on.



About the Shep shooting Sumers thing and the whole cheesy/clich? excuse "now I understand". I think it can happen in the city, and does not need to involve Shep.
The colonel would understand anway if someone else, like Ford, went to stop a Wraith from feeding upon him. Then maybe he'd say to Ford that he understood what Shep did and FOrd would just report that.

Posted by: Spud Apr 3rd 2005, 5:01 PM

Is the Colonel not dead?

Posted by: Dafmeister Apr 3rd 2005, 5:58 PM

Not at the moment. News about season 2 said that he is the new commanding officer of Atlantis. Im guessing he will remain.

Posted by: Bradef Apr 3rd 2005, 9:23 PM

I was thinking about how some people were wondering why it takes 4days for the deadulus to go to another galaxy when it has an asgard hyperdrive and it only takes a few hours for an Asgard ship to go to another galaxy. Even though Earths ship has a very advanced engine, it doesnt mean its gonna go super fast in a "primitive" ship. Example, if I was to some how get a F1 engine in my '89 Datson, its not gonna go 300km/h right?

Posted by: Aussie_Bloke Apr 3rd 2005, 11:24 PM

Yeah nice one mate. Good to see the "dato" is not fogotten - certainly isnt in Australia.

I still think the Dadalus swill be flamked by two asgard ships it is a long road to another galaxy and with no reps to worry bout any more they can spare a ship or two if it means possible end to their cloning problem.

(A couple of BATTLE SHIPS). They are not going to need battle ships with no battle to fight right? These ships will have no use in re-building their empire so they may as well take along a couple for techincal support at least - this may be why the asgard crew member will be coming along.

That idea or he will be on the Big D and will look after the asgard equipment on her.

Posted by: iceman302 Apr 4th 2005, 8:56 AM

remember the asgard use there battleships for more then one thing the use them to build there cites as well. they have the ability to syntatsize things. but there main problem is their numbers i don't think they can spare the "man power" to go to another galaxy at the moment. they still need to build their inferstructure on their home planet. but i think they will go to pegasus later on to try and solve their cloning problem.

yes i agree there may be an asgard on deadulus, maybe someone like heimdall the researcher, or maybe even ugi the one who cloned o'neil.

Posted by: Dafmeister Apr 4th 2005, 9:01 AM

Do they? To the best of my knowledge the Asgard have never used a ship to build their cities.



True, but we dont how large an item they can produce with that technology.



We heard much about the Asgard being on the Daedalus or actually going to Pegasus. It was only a rumour towards the ned of season 1.



His name was Loki. He was the Norse God of mischief.

Posted by: iceman302 Apr 4th 2005, 9:24 AM

thanks it was loki i got it wrong. but to may knowledge i do think i've seen the asgard build some stuff but not full building, so you're right about that. and yes i believe it is only rumor that an asgard will be on deadulus. so thanks for correcting me.

but personally i still see the asgard as being very weak after the war with the replicators and could not go on this venture into pegasus even if they wanted to, there high council probably would approve of it. even though it may lead toa solution to their clone problem.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Apr 4th 2005, 10:32 AM

I doubt Asgard's will come to the rescue. However when Daedalus was talked about between DJ & Carter then you were shows the schematic. This shows they had already installed the new engines & were in the process of testing them out. So an Asgard could have been spared a single member to oversee the installation & testing of their technology. At that time period their situation was not as dire as it currently is now. The Asgard couldn't have just beamed down a huge pile of boxes with a diy instruction kit from B&Q then expected them to put it all together then shove it in Daedalus. They knew we couldn't comprehend their technology, So someone must have been appointed by them. Another reason would be if it came to it they might possibly need another ship. So would want to get it as best prepared as they could in case it had to be called on to combat the reps. Then when it was revealed Daedalus was needed to go to Pegasus asap, The Asgard or however many was on it would still be a pretty good bet to be still onboard. As they couldn't afford to waste time going back to IDA to drop them off. It would have also been most likely the Asgard couldn't afford to send a ship to rendezvous with Daedalus in order to pick them up. If they were on board when the order came to go to defend Atlantis then they would have probably insisted to stay on board anyway. Not only to protect the city of the ancients that could possibly lead to the saviour of the entier civilisation but also if any of the Asgard components on the ships broke down on the way or became damaged in the battle they would probably be the only ones able to carry out the repairs. So although no one know for definite other than the writers. I'm still fairly optimistic we will see one of our little grey friend on board. The only way I can't see one being on it, is if they have a plan to have the ship destroyed in the firefight with all those Wraith ships.

Posted by: rainbow_sun Apr 4th 2005, 1:32 PM

I think that at the start of the next episode (the siege - part 3) sheppard will be beamed up from the puddle jumper somehow and the jumper will explode.

Posted by: obox Apr 4th 2005, 2:03 PM

I think it would make so much sense for Shappard to be beamed out. I think either the crew of the Daedalus will be able to find him because of the nuke (it is a bad model which isn't shielded so they might be able to pick it up on their sensors). Or when the Daedalus comes out of Hyperspace it contacts Atlantis and gets the Jumpers exact position because Atlantis command can track him. Also I think that it would make more sense to beam the ZPM down then put it on the X-302 and flying it down.

Posted by: rainbow_sun Apr 4th 2005, 4:38 PM

I have just watched 'Hot Zone' and does anyone agree with me that the people who made the nanite virus could return? They gave them a chance to return because they said they didnt want to meet them, which obviously means they will meet them. So, does anyone agree?

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Apr 4th 2005, 5:07 PM

They only said this because they came to the conclusion that with the Ancients being so good. Then they possibly couldn't have created it themselves. So therefore some unknown enemy must have been behind it's creation. This though probably will be the case. Since Atlantis can't have it's entire lifespan seen to be fighting a single enemy (The Wraith). I doubt SG-1 would have been going for so long if it were only them against the Goa'uld & we hand not seen all those other enemies that they had come across. The secret to SG-1 success has been variety. So in order for Atlantis to continue this trend then it also needs other enemies to be introduced. That are seemingly advanced not like the Genii who I don't see as an enemy, more an annoyance than anything. The only problem with this thinking is that Pegasus has been under Wraith control for thousands of years. So no race has been able to develop technologically enough to pose a serious thereat to their domination. This would mean that possible future enemies would have to come from another Galaxy.

Posted by: Sighfienerd Apr 4th 2005, 5:12 PM

That guy is supposed to be the new commanding officer of Atlantis? I totally had him pegged for Wraith entree - unless his tenure as commanding officer is the duration of the first episode of Season 2.

Posted by: avatar28 Apr 4th 2005, 5:18 PM

The Colonel who came through the gate is Colonel Everett. He may indeed be Waith food. The new Colonel is named Caldwell and is played by Mitch Pileggi (Deputy Director Skinner of the X-Files).

http://www.gateworld.net/atlantis/s2/index.shtml

Posted by: SG-A Apr 30th 2005, 11:58 AM

Yea that'll put a thorn in the Gou'ald side and the wrath

Posted by: Aussie_Bloke May 1st 2005, 1:15 AM

I was thinking that the BIG D would just open up the inter-galctic window and then the hard part would be done. The fleet of 302's and the BIG D herself would then just have to fly into it.
Then the 302's would just use their regular old hyperdrive to zoom around pegasus. But it would be cool if the asgard have upgraded the 302's as well. say - giving them those blue plasma guns instead of damn machine guns.

The asgard may have upped the BIG D with these also. And perhaps the massive HATAK guns we see on the goauld motherships can be attached too (thanks to rebel jaffa)

Imagine this....

Caldwell: "Fire the HATAK cannon and take out those damn cruisers. Then fire the Asgard plasma cannon and take out the hives"

Wraith commander: "Ahhhhhhhhhh.....the power...........is too much......."

Posted by: iceman302 May 1st 2005, 7:20 AM

with regards to opening a hyper space window into another galaxy, i don't think it is as simple as just gathering the power to do so. i think that each craft has to be able to travel through the window with a hyperdrive engine of its own otherwise you would be able to drop out of the window, big d will be able to, but i don't think its possible for the 302's to just travel through without hyperdrive engines

and on the other point yes it would have been great to have the upgrades u speek of. i have suggested before about a earth controled hatak being used, but i assume u really mean the alkesh lower guns, as the cannons u r speaking of (seen in the episode on vorash). anyway a new and improved version of the 302's is required in my opinion, something that doesn't run out of ammo after three or four shots.

Posted by: Mister Oragahn May 1st 2005, 2:51 PM

Remember that in Fail Safe, the hyperdrive of one Ha'tak could create a window big enough to transport a 137 km long asteroid as well.

Either the F-302s have been mass produced on some colony (or Earth?) and are transported all together along the Daedalus and an Asgard ship, or many of the F-320s have been parked inside the bays of one of the Asgard ships (if there is any in Siege Part III).

If the asgard disintegration beam is used during this episode, it ill waste gazillons of Wraith darts. They do not appear to have shields, which means that they're logically defenseless against the beam.
Or maybe the F-302s have big vulcan cannons, or even pulse cannons or whatever else, along their missiles.

Ha. Seems that Atlantis gets a big budget here.
Is Sony responsible of that, somehow?

Posted by: SG-A May 1st 2005, 6:49 PM

your right about "fail safe" but considder this when Deedless entered hyper-space at earth prehaps the F-302 forces for deedless were docked in the their hangers?

Posted by: jetsetter May 2nd 2005, 6:34 PM

Here is some news on which episodes the Asgard will appear and it's function and name.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY May 2nd 2005, 7:01 PM

Already posted days ago on the Daedalus thread!

http://www.sg1archive.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10730&st;=72

Posted by: Atlantians May 3rd 2005, 1:08 AM

Also it is Hermo'd not Hermoid.

Posted by: jetsetter May 3rd 2005, 8:09 AM

I don't know whats been posted in every thread.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY May 3rd 2005, 8:51 AM

You didn't do anything wrong in posting it here. I just put it in the Daedalus thread four or 5 days ago as that is where the Asgard will be stationed as a crew member. So just thought it to be more relevant to be put in that one. In the Siege III it will only be seen aboard Daedalus & not in the city itself. Herimod is primarily the Danish way of spelling it & seems to be the German way also. It's Hermod which is the way we put it.

Posted by: Aussie_Bloke May 3rd 2005, 8:27 PM

Even with all the "Asgard Newest Technologies" I cant see how the Big d will be able to take out these.........

Posted by: Aussie_Bloke May 3rd 2005, 8:29 PM

Even with all the "Asgard Newest Technologies" I cant see how the Big d will be able to take out these.........



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Posted by: JamesyBHOY May 3rd 2005, 9:12 PM

There are actually a few possibilites as to how exactly they will defeat that amount of enemy ships.

It sure as hell isn't going to be a one on one encounter. The Wraith ships aren't gonna attack one at a time. We know Daedalus arrives right at the start, Sheppard aborts his suicide run. You can understand the TPTB not giving away everything, they have to keep things close to their chest.

Shep ends up on the Daedalus somehow. Either when he aborts his attack the Daedalus beams him & the Jumper up (Don't know if it would be advanced enough to take up a ship along with him.) So assuming it isn't perhaps Shep contacts Daedalus (as he is cloaked I doubt they will be able to detect him) turns the jumper back around in the direction of a Hive ship then he get's beamed out at the last second. That could take care of 1 ship. Daedalus is bigger, So presumably it carries more 302's than Prometheus (I go for around 10-16) & more advanced weaponary to go along with it. So it could be possible that a large amout are flat packed, Assembled on the way. Daedalus slows down a few hours before it reaches Atlantis then engages a HS bubble around the ship & tows them all with it. This way they can drop out & begin attacking immediately upon arrival. It has to be something like this as surely 10 off 302's can't compete against 100's of Darts.

Anyway back to the Wraith Armada, Shep's nuke could possibly take out 1 either by direct collision as I put above or perhaps it is beamed out of the PJ & into the path of a few cruisers or Hive ship.

I've read a bit about Caldwell talking to Weir in Atlantis & saying they are about to launch. So I think they could possibly have have some uber powerful nuke & just fire it or beam it into the path of all the enemy ships & boom, All of them or a large percentage gone in a flash. This could explain why we see sparks in the background of Daedalus. It could be they are trying to outrun the shockwave of the blast but get hit badly by it. Then a few cruisers are left & with Daedalus damaged they start to hit into it. Perhaps the 302's come to the rescue or a few Jumpers are launched to take care of them.

Posted by: Aussie_Bloke May 3rd 2005, 10:43 PM

Hmmmm.....yeah that would be great!
Here's my theory.

- Shepp is driving along but gets beemed aboard the Big D with puddle Jumper and all (we know that the asgard sensors can detect things ahead from hyperspace as seen in New Order pt 2) It has the newest asgard technologies so that might mean able to beam big things aboard.

-They simply use the beaming tech to beem the bomb not in front of the ships - bit inside them. Surely they will have nukes anyway so maybe they will have no use for the Gennii Bomb. Oh well they have a spare just in case.

- Either they use this method for destroying all of the Hives and Cruisers - or they do what jamesy said and just launch a massive bomb and get the hell out of the shockwave.

- Spoilers point to their being a lot of 302's so perhaps the idea of the hyperspace bubble engulfing the 302's with more being on board in "flat packs" is a good one.

- We musnt rule out any goauld cannons or asgard weapons either.

- I believe the 302's will have something a little better than your conventional missiles too. Possibly asgard guns.

- So basically big bombs with beem tech...or....new uber weapons...or...a combination of both.



DIE YOU STUPID DART!!!!!!! EAT RAIL GUN!!!!!!

Posted by: spoocke May 4th 2005, 1:42 AM

he fly's up to meet his desteny when he just is about to detonate the nuke and TATAAAAAA there is the new earth space battle cruizer witch will kick the raiths invasion wave's the ZPM will be beamed down so that atlaintis will have a shield again BY doing So the energy of the ZPM WILL activate the DEEP SPACE SCANNERS Atlantis will see the raith Invasion attempt and will start constructing DRONES!!!
the earth battle cruizer will have taken heave fire and will have to retread and fight in the lower atmosphere
atlantis will see the battle cruizer as friend and will protect it cost what cost
bates now has returned to atlantis and steps in the battle CHair
AND WILL DESTROY the wraith mother ship with the new build drones
still the battle cruizer will be in need again of protection cause the drones ran out so bates will use the remote on the modded puddel jumper to take out the last of the wraith wave
bates will join up with the battle cruizer crew and free all atlantis personal that was captured in the SIEGE
giving them a few wraith prisoners to experiment on
( i believe one of them will turn against his own race )
this is speculation but if they can take live maybe they can give it back to
that would be helpfull for the off world crew members when they are wounded
he will be the instand medic or something

Posted by: Aussie_Bloke May 5th 2005, 3:16 AM

I know it may be annoying to see the same post in numerous threads but I thought it would help more people if it had the best chance of being seen. Sorry For the inconvienience Mods!

Things We Know
- It has been stated by Martin Gero (writer of the siege part 3) on GateWorld forum that the Daedalus will be Bigger and more unique, with a streamlined design. But yeah - I cant see it being too drastic.

- We also know there will be more than 8 302's in season 2 because Gero has also said at one stage : "There will be lots of 302's in season 2 and particularly in the episode Intruder".

- We also know that the Daedalus has Rail Guns - at least of the front of it anyway. We know this because of a "sneak peak" of season 2. Caldwell: "Fire forward rail guns at will". This is presumably in the Seige part 3.

Things We Dont Know.
- What other weapons are on the Big D. (Asgard / Goauld)
- How many 302's exactly and how they will get there.
- What the Big D looks like exatly (Pictures would be good)
- What happens to Teyla, Ford, Everett
- How Sheppard gets on the Big D
- Weather they will sink Atlantis or not

Posted by: Dafmeister May 5th 2005, 8:00 AM

Thats the third time you have posted virtually the exact same post. Why?

Posted by: SG-A May 5th 2005, 8:23 AM

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1. Each X-303 carries a maxamum of 8 F-302 class fighters

2. A little diffrent but yet it's the same basic hull design an her sister ship Prometheus

3.


4. unknown

5.


6. we don't know what weapons are on board her but presumeable there will be missiles and rail gun weapons tecnolagey, of course there is the Asguard
hyper-drive and possable Asguard shield generators (the Asguard installed them after SG-1's visit to Hala on Prometheus when earth learnedd of the wrath threat to Atlantis the generators may have been transfered or Thor could've given earth another set of generators for Deedless)

I hope have answered your questions

Posted by: JamesyBHOY May 5th 2005, 9:12 AM

(1 & 2) X-303 is the experimental name. So since it's been rushed into service then it will be a BC-303. It's already been stated here that it's bigger than Prometheus so it will most likely carry more 302's in it's arsenal. It might not even be a 303 classification since it's different to Prometheus. We don't know what it looks like apart from a rough schematic on 'Moebius'.

(3) He can't slaughter the Wraith that have him surrounded. They do something to him that turn him part Wraith. He's then seen in the infirmary with Beckett before he goes renegade.

(4) Everett will probably be in for the big Suck as he would probably be 'Intruder' where Weir & Caldwell are back on Earth in the SGC. So he possibly would be also be considered for the leadership role, Just like he was in command for 'The Siege II'. Teyla is fine as she's seen in 'The Siege III' with McKay & the ZPM. So it's probably just the other Athosians were killed & she was forced to flee. Ford same as in 3., He would seem to go awol at the end of Siege 3 as pics show him holding a gun in the infirmary & So he'll probably be the intruder in episode 2 in my opinion. He'll evade capture & manage to escape through the gate. As it's known that in EP.3 'Runner' the team are offworld looking for him when they come across Dex.

(5) I don't get your reply to this No they Don't, Pictures have shown that Sheppard is on Daedalus. We don't know how early they manage to get the ZPM down to the city, It could even be right at the end of the episode for all we know. (Pics are already posted earlier in this particular thread in Spoiler tags.)



(5) Earth only learned of the threat to Atlantis in ep.17 'Letters from Pegasus'.

Lastly like other people have kindly pointed out to you. It's DAEDALUS (or is it Deadalus, Aegir).

Come on SG-A, Say it with me know. The DAE to the DA to the LUS. One more time now say it again. DAE DA LUS! Okay now you by yourself (Deedless, I hear you still saying the same old thing.) Ahhhhhhhhh, what's the point?

Posted by: SG-A May 5th 2005, 9:34 AM

and I read some were that she shows up near the beginning of the epasoide
and anyway my computer spells it Deedless

Posted by: SG1Fan-FL May 5th 2005, 5:48 PM

Holy snot... You "really" need to brush up on your spelling, big guy. No offense but your posts are almost physically painful to read. Hehe

Woot! 9,000th member!

Posted by: JamesyBHOY May 6th 2005, 8:19 PM

If he did waste them all, then how come he ends up like this?



or this

Posted by: SG-A May 7th 2005, 9:55 AM

it's just possable that seen comes in a little later in the epaoside

Posted by: JamesyBHOY May 7th 2005, 10:10 AM

It's pretty obvious to me it comes a little later in the episode. For that to have happened then something must happen to him for this change to take effect.

Posted by: Dafmeister May 7th 2005, 10:14 AM

In the second pic it looks as if the skin around his eye has aged. Perhaps a Wraith fed off him. We know that the Wraith inject something into the victim's body before they feed in order to enable feeding. Perhaps Ford had been fed on and saved before the Wraith could drain his life completely and the substanace the Wraith use to let them feed changed him somehow.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY May 7th 2005, 10:27 AM

I think the exact same thing. The grunt holds him by the neck & sticks him with that blue thing on it's fingers. A Wraith starts to feed on him for a sec or 2 & Teyla or someone else comes along & kills it. Somehow interrupting the process & transferring some of it's Wraith bits into him. I can't honestly see it simply being a normal feeding, after all when they feed they Drain you. Spoilers have said he's supposed to be some kind of supersoldier, So this would be the only way to explain it in such a short period of time.

The only other way that I can think in such a short period of time is if he's beamed up by a Dart. They take him & begin interrogating him for information regards to codes or whatever else they would think they needed to gain total control of the city. Then dialogue has been released about Caldwell talking to Weir back in Atlantis, Saying something about we have your people on board, Implies it's more than Sheppard. Perhaps as Aussie_Bloke pointed out this could be the ones that were taken by the Darts & Daedalus has attacked the Hive ships & transported them back aboard. They take him down for medical attention from Beckett before he goes Psycho.

Posted by: Evo May 7th 2005, 8:33 PM

Those pictures of Ford are really interesting.

Posted by: prom.vs.daed May 8th 2005, 4:00 PM

3 Things:

1) Why do ppl keep reffering to Colonel Everett still being alive in the next season? he appears to be facing imminant danger from the wrath, and after emptying a Clip into the Wrath's stomach, and it not slowing it down, i personally think everett is about to be killed.

2) What is up with the bad spelling of Daedalus? so many ppl get it wrong, no offense to you, but even after seeing it spelt right in a post you still spell it wrong.

3) And why cant the asgard or Humans make a mini weapon much like that one in The holy Temple at Ta'kara.

I personally hope that Thor, because his conciousness is in the ships memory, will be transported to the Daedalus.

oh and im sorry for raving on, and having a go at ppl, but after spending an hour reading posts, you get a lil cranky!

! - ! - Prom.vs.Daed - ! - !

Posted by: JamesyBHOY May 8th 2005, 6:19 PM

He is still technically alive as of now. Next season he probably will be Wraith feed otherwise he would also be back at the SGC in 'Intruder' along with Weir & Caldwell.

The weapons on Dakara was extremely advanced & wasn't technically a weapon until it was modified & used against the Reps. It's original design was to recreate life in the MW after the Plague. The Asgard are having major problems after their battle with the Replicators, Since the weapon only affected the main ones in the MW then we still haven't heard anything about the ones in IDA. They probably weould have followed Fifth or Replicarter to the MW but it's also possible some remained behind. I doubt they could engineer & construct something of such advanced tech otherwise the Asgard would have already done so & currently not only have 1 planet left as they do now.

Thor is Mia, His mind is currently implanted in a ship. Daedalus wouldn't have the necessary memory banks or be advanced enough that Asgard/Anubis' ships do to allow him to be downloaded into it. If he was able to come then he wouldn't leave the ship. He would take that to accompany Daedalus to Pegasus & provide extra firepower & support. Don't think we will be seeing Thor in Atlantis or for that matter any other Asgard ships for a while yet, Perhaps they will come to the rescue at the end of S2. Until it begins we have no way of knowing.

Posted by: Aussie_Bloke May 9th 2005, 1:07 AM

At the end of Reckoning part 2 Carter sais that they have had word from the Asgard and that "Thor's conciousness will soon be put into a newly cloned body".
Then Oniel says "that just never gets old does it?"

Remember now...?

With this in mind - and with thought given to the timeline between the two shows - by the end of season 1 Atlantis, Thor should have been in his new body for some time.

I wouldnt exactly call it "missing in action".

With regard to the replicators - it is possible that there may be some that stayed in IDA but most would have followed their two fearless leaders into battle against the goauld. So then you would think that those who died from the dakara - wave in the Milky Way would not have had sufficient time to transmit the 'cipher' to their brethren in IDA.
We know that Carter will be "A long long way away" -thanks to the writers - at the beginning of season 9, so perhaps she is in IDA giving the asgard the updated version of the disruptor wave so they can factor the upgrade to their ships. They will no doubt mop up the rest of the reps.
It is also my opinion that this is the first time the Asgard get wind of our exploits in the Pegasus Galaxy. They learn of the Wraith and the threat to us. (I presume this will be approximately after "Letters from Pegasus") So they recognise the level of tech and knowledge they may be letting fall into the hands of the Wraith and upgrade the Big D with massive amount of their most advanced tech.
Enter Seige 3........

Posted by: Auntie Em! May 9th 2005, 2:34 AM

Ida is not that far away. At least not with an Asgard ship. It is mere moments.

Posted by: Dafmeister May 9th 2005, 4:10 AM

Everett is the commanding officer of Atlantis now, I doubt he will die. Im sure there was new sabout returning in season 2 along with two of the officers that came through the gate with him.

We just have to accept that people will spell bad. Even if people do spell bad, you can usually make out the word anyway.

The Asgard and Humans are nowhere near as advanced as the Ancients were when they built the weapon at Dakara. There is no way they could build another one, let alone miniturise it.

Posted by: ancient01 May 9th 2005, 5:25 AM

True he's the commanding officer at the end of part 2, but we have Colonel Caldwell coming on the Daedelus. I haven't read anything about Everett in Season 2, but Caldwell is signed on for several episodes.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY May 9th 2005, 6:12 AM

Of course I remember. Actually she didn't say they had word from the Asgard, She said she had heard from Thor . However he's not been seen for a while since then & at least a couple of weeks have passed by, Bear in mind it only takes minutes/hours for them to travel to here. So until I see his little Grey ass wadling around somewhere then he is Mia to me.

As for the Reps, Most would have been into the MW. However all it takes is 1 to start over again & I think at least that amount would have been left somewhere in IDA or the MW. I don't think there has been anywhere near enough time for them to have come & upgraded Daedalus. What they already had on it is most likely is all that they still have.

Nor do I believe that the Asgard are only learning of Pegasus now. They have obviously been fitting out Daedalus with the Asgard tech & having a crew member on board then surely there has been some communication with IDA since then or all those months that passed since they first went through to Atlantis. I can see the Asgard coming in the season 2 finale to help out againt the next Wraith onslaught that will no doubt be planned but not before then in any major capacity.

Posted by: Dafmeister May 9th 2005, 8:23 AM

Like you say Mitch Pillegi has only signed for several episodes. He will not be a regular character.He has to survive up to atleast the end of 'The Seige' part 3 because Sheppard gets promoted to Lt. Colonel. Maybe he dies or is seriously injured in this ep. Its entirely possible that he survives but is returned to Earth, remember Atlantis gets the Daedalus ZPM in this episode.

Posted by: ancient01 May 9th 2005, 9:14 AM

It's all speculation at this point, but my feeling is that we'll see Everett die by the end of this episode. He's just too much of a Black and white character. Most characters that come across that way have to either be short term or have a major event change their personality. The wraith confrontation could be enough to change him, but knowing the following spoiler about later in the season, I think he's a goner.

Posted by: iceman302 May 10th 2005, 3:51 AM

Posted by: Dafmeister May 10th 2005, 4:40 AM

Probably not. The SGC can make Mk2 Naquada generators now, perhaps the new generators can provide enough power to open a wormhole to Atlantis, I mean they did allow the chair in Atlantis to operate for a while. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens in this episode.

Posted by: iceman302 May 10th 2005, 7:27 AM

i just realised that the asgard can travel via stargate to different galaxies. it is shown when freyr comes through the gate to tell earth that thor's ship was destroyed and that heimdal must be rescued. the mentions i have travelled from my home world via stargate coz all the ships are busy. his homeworld is in ida.

thus i assume the asgard have the technology that allows them to do this.

Posted by: Aussie_Bloke May 10th 2005, 5:47 PM

Well we havnt seen this asgard power scource yet but they obviously have one just as good as a ZPM.

The reason they didnt travel through the stargate in that episode was because (like you said) they diddnt have any available ships.

This shows that their ships are just about as quick as a stargate between IDA and Milky Way anyway......and it is easier on their frail bodies to go in an amoured vehicle with recliners - than to walk!

Lazy Shits!

Posted by: JamesyBHOY May 10th 2005, 7:18 PM

The easiest option is simply before they go, Mention to those in Atlantis that you will be returning at an exact time & to lower the Iris. Then Weir, Calwell @ Others which I assume will include Bates as he won't be seen all season. Go through to to thw SGC have their meeting with Landry & do what else they have to do. When finished their meetings in the SGC they hook up a few MK II's or perhaps they finally managed to get the thing O'neill built in 'The Fifth Race' duplicated or re-activated for another 1 shot deal.

Atlantis are expecting them at that particular time so they don't have to bother transmiting IDC Codes or waiting valuable secs for them to authenticate & close the Iris.

Since Atlantis knows when to expect them back, and in the SGC Weir & Caldwell stand half way up the ramp, Dial it up then they sprint up & dive in through the puddle. Shouldn't take more than a few secs. However I can't see them going down such a melodramatic route though.

Whatever it is though has to be of rare usage, As tt's been stated by the writers that the SGC & Atlantis will still hard to get to in S2. I'm pretty sure that there was also something mentioned about Daedalus shuttling stuff between the MW & Pegasus later on in S2.

When the initially signed up Mitch Pileggi for the 5 shot appearance & it was announced they had only shot a handful of eps. Basically similar to Beckett last year where he wasn't originally planned to star in as many eps as he did. I guess it really depends on what kind of impace he makes during his short reigned appearance.

Since the SGC know about the Wraith threat the momentum of the show has shifted from Science to Military. Although with the new ZPM that does take a bit of the heat off. Although the reason the Ancients submerged the city in the first place was so that it would stop the Wraith energy beams impacting on the shield to save power. If they had to do that & they had 3 full ZPM's & the knowledge to make more & were forced to do that. Then a single less than full one mightn't last very long against constant bombardments from Orbit.

I personally hope Everett survives & they give him control over all Military decisions & operations, Whereas Weir takes overall charge of everything else. This way they can build up a dynamic relationship between the 2 & always have them disagreeing with each others choices. Although if Everett does get sucked then I would prefer Pileggi or some other hard assed military dude to get it rather than this emotional babble that she gave in 'Letters from Pegasus' when Ford & McKay suggested using the ZPM from 'Childhood's End'.

Posted by: Maximusgeneral1 May 10th 2005, 7:18 PM

If the Asgard are so lazy then why did they even try to negotiate to get Earth put into the Protected Planets treaty? I will admit though sometimes they are a tid bit lazy. I do however believe that they probably will help the Atlantis crew somehow. Whether that be an engineer or a round trip back to Earth and then to Atlantis I am not sure.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY May 10th 2005, 8:19 PM

They are already helping by putting a full time crew member on board Daedalus. Who will be first seen in 'The Siege III'. No doubt by the end of S2 a ship might drop by to help out or offer assistance against the Wraith.

Posted by: Evo May 10th 2005, 11:03 PM

Keep in mind that this happened before Anubis sent that asteroid to Earth. The Asgard thought by putting Earth into the Protected Planets treaty it would save Earth. Also, the Asgard that time had other stuff to deal with, mainly the Replicators and secondly their cloning issue. So to sum it up, they weren't lazy, they just thought they were helping out.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY May 11th 2005, 2:15 PM

They aren't lazy, they have just gotten to a technological point of where they use technology to do all the work. Not to mention all of their resources were taken up with the Cloning problems then their encounter with the Reps.

Posted by: Aussie_Bloke May 13th 2005, 6:29 PM

Ok sorry for saying their lazy - its just like Jamesy said - they dont need to do stuff because their tech does it for them.

When we really think about it - THE SIEGE PART 3 will be the real first Asgard V Wraith encounter.
I mean - there's one on board, we have upgraded the Big D with all types of asgard stuff - and it counl give the wraith their first idea of "whats really out their".

Maybe they will think twice about coming to Milky Way....

Posted by: Dwayne1 May 15th 2005, 2:14 PM

Sheppard might release the nuke and might not work for some reason or the wraith could detect it and destroy it.
Id say the asguard ship will arrive just in a nick of time and do some major damage to the wraith. Some of the wraith will escape to tell the rest.

Posted by: Dafmeister May 15th 2005, 2:52 PM

The Daedalus isn't an Asgard ship. It's a Human ship but it has Asgard modifications, along with an Asgard crew member to monitor the Asgard modifications.

Posted by: avatar28 May 15th 2005, 3:25 PM

You've really gotta wonder if that Asgard drew the short straw to be stuck with having to hang around with a bunch of barbaric humans or if he actually volunteered for the position.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY May 15th 2005, 4:35 PM

It's been said that it is a permanent crew member. What's not been said is that it possibly could be rotational. Each one does a few months before being cycled with someone else. After it has helped Atlantis at some point the Daedalus will be used to ferry stuff back & forth between Atlantis & the SGC. So a change could easily take place.

Although from what we have seen of Asgard in the past they seem to not be do'er's. They prefer to use technolgy to see them through their tasks. On an Earth ship it's gonna be a much more hand's on approach. I can only imagine that like Loki who was different from the other Asgard when he done the secret experiments. Then the new little guy will be more adventurous & closely related to their story in Norse Mythology.

Of course it could have all came about by accident. They were assigned to oversee the installation of all the new Asgard tech, Then when almost completed the call came to help defend Atlantis. Technically it's never been battle tested, So either they were remained to help out as they knew in War damage would be inevitable. Them being the only qualified personnel that can be able to carry out professional repairs on the damaged components. Maybe they volunteered to stay on or were ordered to by the high council.

One thing you would think though, The SGC must have had at least some contact with Asgard high council to inform them of their plans for Daedalus & the Asgard crew member. Can't just see them taking off with the little guy still on board & not apprising them of what their plans were & to get permission to use their man in combat, Since their would have been a strong possibility that they might not make it back. Moreso since sooner than later they'll need more Asgard help in fighting the Wraith & don't want to start by pissing them off & getting their little guy killed.

Posted by: ziostilon May 15th 2005, 5:57 PM

Does anybody think that after they fixed the problem of getting around from Atlantis to SGC and defending Atlantis. There should be more problems awaiting the Atlantis crew.

Anybody want to predict what it is...

Posted by: JamesyBHOY May 16th 2005, 8:25 PM

Even with the ZPM there are numerous problems still facing them.

The Wraith will eventually know they have a ZPM. So when they finally find out they will have just shot up a notch in their estimation. Which is bad since they'll be seen as a more serious threat now.

The Ancients had to submerge the city to help the shield out. So presumably these constant bombardements eventualy started taking their toll on the Zpm's which provide the shields with their power. The 1 Zpm that the Atlantis team have which isn't full since it's been used to speed up a ship from one galaxy to the next. So it isn't going to be full & when the Wraith do finally decide to come again once that 1 Zpm drains down then they have had it.

Not only that, when the Wraith don't hear back from any of their ships that was sent to Atlantis, Then they'll likely send others to investigate. So the SGA team won't have as much freedom for away missions as they've been used to. As the Wraith are all awake then they'll obviously be probing planets for the humans more vigurously than ever, especially when they don't get word back regarding their attempted takeover & when they find out about the Zpm.

So there are still plenty of obstacles & twists and turns left yet. Don't worry about that.

Posted by: amr86 May 18th 2005, 7:17 AM

My theory

Posted by: Dafmeister May 18th 2005, 9:06 AM

In that episode we are told that the inhabiotants of that planet built the Sentinel generations ago, but they technologically regressed over the years. Unless they are direct descendants of the Ancients, it is not Ancient technology.

Posted by: General BM May 18th 2005, 1:50 PM

After seeing the seige parts one and two, here's what i think is going to happen:

1.Daedalus will show up and save Shepard before the nuke blows, whether they'll beem the bomb to the wraith ship and save the puddle jumper or just beam shep off i'm not sure.
2.Both Daedalus and the remaining hive ship will battle it out, but ultimatly the wraith will leave before the big D can destroy them leaving the wraith on atlantis stranded and more dangerous than ever now that they are trapped.
3. Col. Everett will have the life sucked out of him but not before being saved by someone (maybe tayla but that's just a guess). He'll be brought to beckett, who will say that he cannot be saved. He'll give doctor weir a drink and he'll tell sheppard that now he understands why shep killed summoner in the first ep. The the colonel will die and shep will go off to try and kill any remaining wraith in the city.

Posted by: AnAncientOne May 18th 2005, 7:34 PM

They had 3 ZPMs. They sunk the City to help the SHIELD not the power source.
A shield generator could only put out so much energy in so muchg time. The volume of fire most likely was overwhelming there ability to keep the shield charged. The ZPMs would not be effected directly.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY May 18th 2005, 8:20 PM

Here we go again. Will you give all this stuff a rest, Why not wait a few days & go post under your regular name. I've already put my reasons for this in other threads & ain't gonna do the same thing here again.

Posted by: NemesisDesignz May 21st 2005, 8:06 PM

Well if you watch SG-1 you would know that all ring transporters can detect other ring platforms.. so there would be no quessing of where it would be in the city if there is one in the city. And also if you remember from the early episodes of Atlantis.. They have transporters within the city itself that allows people to transport to different parts of the city rather than having to walk there.

Also about how the wraith in the city might be taken care by.. Remember in the episode "Hot Spots" there was an infection that broke out in the city and the city itself took control to help quarantine the infected people from the rest of the city. That being said could there not be some technology within the city that can remove the wraith already present in the city or cause them to die or be knocked out? With the ZPM we get from the Daedalus that McKay plugs in, it powers up a lot more of the city's systems we have yet to seen because of the lack of power required. Also another tidbit we found out in this episode "Hot Spots" the infection...the nanonytes were not created by the ancients, nor the wraith.. So that tells you there is another enemy of the ancients out there other than the wraith. So the wraith could very easily be defeated in the coming season and then move onto the bigger and badder enemy still unknown.

Regarding the Daedalus... When Carter is talkin about this new class ship and the diagram is shown on the screen it does look a lot like the Promy. But there are no measuring schematics telling exactly how big the ship is. If it's and upgrade from the Promy I am sure it is going to be A LOT bigger. So I think it will be able to hold a lot more 302's at least 100. For it take 4 days to reach the pegasus galaxy using asguard hyperdrives this ship has got to be HUGE. I am sure one of the weapons that will be aboard the Daedalus will be the same rail guns Col Everett brought through the gate. He said these were originally slated to replace the guns on the Promy on it's next refit. So I am sure these weps were placed on the Big D being that they are one of our newest technological weapons created. It's a shame though we already know who is gonna be commanding the Daedalus. I was HOPING it would of been General Hammond because he never got to finish his mission before in the Promy. Im also sure this ship will be equipped with rings and the full capabilities of the Asguard beam technology. There will be no use in having to have a recall device. O'Neill never had a recall device stuck in his pocket the numerous times Thor would snatch him up in the middle of a sentence!! So I think thats how Shephard will get on board the Daedalus.

Those are my thoughts!! Can't wait to see how this goes!! And I do hope there will be more interaction between SGC and SGA.

Posted by: Aussie_Bloke May 22nd 2005, 5:07 AM

I agree - up to the point how you left out any other asgard devices.

Sheilds - very powerful ones
Weapons - Blue Bullets seen in countless episodes - as well as bombs transported in
And Hyperdive - still capable of getting back to earth WITHOUT ZPM but will take 4 months. (Prometheus Unbound)

Posted by: dragon6 May 22nd 2005, 5:05 PM

Actually Col Everett Said The Rail Guns were originaly slated to replace Prometheus's current "Close in Armament" Close in is a class of weapon on naval vessel's used to describe that vessel's "Secondary Armament" which is usually for defense agains't fast moving and smaller threats such as fighter's and missiles and all other threats where the vessel's "Main Armament" which is usually employed against other capital class ships, and would be considered overkill for smaller threats. A good example of a "main and Secondary Armament" arangement on a vessel would be the US NAVY's old Iowa Class Battleship's which had "9 16inch guns and 12 5inch guns". Daedalus's Main Aramament is most likely some kind of large directed energy weapon, probably of Asgard design, if you remember in the SG1 episode Memento on the Prometheus Col Pendergest said "power up the main weapon", implying some king of Directed energy Weapon as the vessel's main Arament. If Daedalus is larger and more Advanced, It most likely has one if not several of these advanced weapons. As for saying Daedalus has 100 fighters, Thats highly unlikely, A note that a Goa'uld Mothership is at least 3 time the size of Prometheus, And if you remember the episode where Carter and Jacob blow up a star Kronos's Mothership only carried about 30 fighters, which is which is a more likely complement for Daedalus, an increase of 22 over the 8 that Prometheus Carries.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY May 22nd 2005, 6:26 PM

I don't think it will have anywhere near 100 & not as much as 30 either. Prometheus has 8 So the very most I can see the Daedalus being is twice the size. That would be around 16/20. Plus there are probably a few more flat packed & ready for assembley not to mention all non essential systems & parts would have been stripped out for more storage room. Enabling it to carry more fighters for the battle against the Wraith which could add in another 10 or so. Not to mention athough I personally don't think so it could be dragging a host of 302's behind it in a bubble & ready for iimediate deployment. It all depends on Martin Gero's definition of 'Quite Bigger' is. Me, I say around double but it could be bigger & carry more again. The truth is nobody will know for sure until July.

Prometheus is supposed to have Asgard weapons installed but for all thye times we have seen it in action. Not once have they given us a glimpse of any in action. So hopefully Daedalus will be using theirs straight away in 'The Siege III'.

Posted by: ziostilon May 23rd 2005, 3:24 PM

Is it possible for the ZPM's power to be re-routed to, let's say a MACH 2 Naquadah Generator. If it is possible, then they might have done that to bring a few more ships with them and get the Asgard engines hooked on their ships.
More simpler way would be diverting some of the ZPM's power to the best Asgards ships and i'm wondering if Asgard ships can store F-302 fighters. They'd be cool, but still wondering if Asgard would want to spare any of their best ships for this.
A way better way is to store an supply of X-303 Prometheus onto some Goa'uld motherships and just release them when they get to Atlantis.
The main point is, would any of their allies actually spare any of their ships to them. United States of America would have to take lots of money out from their pockets to re-engineer these Goa'uld motherships or Asgard ships to fit that much things in them.

If the Daedalus is made mainly for this battle, then their might be more room for fighters than making the ship fancy and have a lot of compartments.

Think about this, possible or not

My opinion would be 30% of it actually working.

Posted by: Dafmeister May 23rd 2005, 4:40 PM

Wow, a Naquada generator travelling at twice the speed of sound.

Would would they reroute the ZPM to the Mk 2 generator, they are both power sources?


What are you talking about? How could a ZPM on the Daedalus power the engines on a totally different ship? There are no other ships going to Atlantis, there is only the Daedalus. There are no Asgard ships escorting it.


The BC-303's are as big as the Hataks. A BC-303 would not fit inside a Hatak.


You think the Asgard are going to hand over their motherships to us? Why would they? Where are they going to get Hataks from? The rebel Jaffa control most of them.


30% of what actually working?

Posted by: Aussie_Bloke May 24th 2005, 5:16 AM

There are no Asgard ships escorting the Big D

There is no evidence against energy based weapons on the Big D

Just the Big D and complimemnt of 302's will be going.

The 302's will either be stored on the Big D awaiting deployement or they may be getting towed along for the ride - like has been mentioned previously with a "hyperspace bubble".

We dont know how many the Big D can carry but it will be more than 8. "Quite Bigger (than Prometheus)" - Martin Gero

The Big D was not specifically designed for this fight - they were making that class anyway. It said in one of thr season 9 spoilers that the stargate budget was cut so to make room in the budget for more Daedalus class ships. That means they are making them anyway - not specifically made for the fight.

Posted by: Bentar May 24th 2005, 4:40 PM

i think the soldiers that came from earth to take over the base of atlantis in order to defeat the wraith, aren't who they clame to be.

if there was a Zpm in egypt as they clame where they found the one they used to get to atlantis.
don't you think that Col (Gen) oneil would have known when he dowloaded the ancient info into his brain (the 2nd time) ?

and what about this new ship... they clame that it will take 4 days to travel to atlantis 4 days that can't be so.

its in the pegasus gelaxy its suppost to be unreachable by ship.

if its only a 4 day trip it will most likely take most of the fun out of season 2.
thats why i think the soldiers aren't who they clame to be.
no idea who they are then.
can't wait for season 2 to begin...

season 1 rocked...

Posted by: Dafmeister May 24th 2005, 6:13 PM

Then who are they? the gate on Earth is the only one in the Milky Way that can dial Pegasus. They could have only come from Earth.


Ra used the ZPM as a religous symbol. He didnt know what it did or what it was. He most likely found it somewhere else and just brought it with him when he travelled to different planets. O'Neill thereofre would not have know it existed.


Why not? They didnt say it will take 4 days, Everett said it will be at Atlantis within 4 days. That means it could arrive anytime in between.


Read the spoilers for season 2. The Daedalus is a ship that has its hyperdrive powered by the ZPM found in Ancient Egypt.


Then there is no real point to your arguement. TPTB have already said the Daedalus will arrive within 4 days and the soldiers could have only come from Earth.

Posted by: ziostilon May 24th 2005, 7:08 PM

Did they just make the Big D, so this is the first Big D and they don't have anymore.

Is the energy of the ZPM and the Mach 2 Naquadah Generator the same.
If it is, have they figured out how to take power from the ZPM and put it into another container. Can the Mach 2 or some other energy container support the power in the ZPM. So, like I said before just divide the power in the ZPM to power another ship.

Is it possible like mentioned before with the bubble, to wrap it with another Big D and not the F-302 fighters.
Is there any indication of spoilers or images from the officials of Stargate, that there isn't only an Asgard coming, but at least one Asgard ship.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY May 24th 2005, 7:09 PM

I'll admit when I first saw the first few seconds of the episode I thought they were someone else as well. After the first couple of minutes though after he mentions about Daedalus, Prometheus, General O'Neill, Self Destruct, Rail Guns, Zpm, Report etc. It started to change & become obvious who they were. I think it was the uniforms with the Patch colour in Particular that made me suspicious originally.



The Ancient's probably placed them around the MW in their outposts as they did in Pegasus. So it could have easily been lost or misplaced by the Ancients & found by Ra or some other Goa'uld.

My theory on it though is, O'Neill got the Ancient knowledge from the MW Ancients. The Pegasus Ancients returned from Atlantis to Earth. Then something happened to them which no one knows. Most likely some scattered around the planet, So went off world & some Ascended. With all this commotion then when Ra came to Earth he could have found it or taken it from someone who was entrusted with keeping it safe (Like the Monks in 'The Brotherhood').



It only takes 4 days with the ZPM boosting the Asgard HyperDrive, Without that it would take a lot longer.

Posted by: AnAncientOne May 24th 2005, 11:53 PM

Why would they have a Naquada generator traveling at twice the speed of sound?
You meen MARK 2. Mach is the speed of sound. Mach two is twice the speed of sound.



HOW! Gosh.

Posted by: ziostilon May 25th 2005, 7:56 PM

I said if it works. And Can it be converted or dumped into an empty energy container.



I said spread the ZPM's power into the other Mark 2(Thanks for correcting me), to carry more Big-D's with them. That is probably why it's taking them around 4 days. Or they just diverted the power to bring something else with them.

Posted by: iceman302 May 26th 2005, 8:41 AM

ok we know season two has a hell of alot of 302's to defend atlantis, and we also know that the 302's are used to defend atlantis from the darts. we also know that big d can only probably carry a max of say 20 to 25(includeing flat packed).

ok my theory now is that the only way that more 302's can possibly travel to atalantis is as following, big d has a zpm to enhance it with the help of hermoid is it possible that when enteringa hyperspace window a few hundred 302's move close to big d and then a hyperspace bubble is created to transport them to atlantis. we know now that 302's decend to atlantis to assist while big d takes care of the hives.

so i was wondering does any1 agree with the bubble idea, this theory was taken from the episode where carter uses a bubble to move promentus out of the nebula.