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Posted by: Arcady Jul 14th 2005, 3:51 PM

There is not much info about this episode. Here are a couple of bits of info from GateWorld:

"Yes, we will see some female Wraith this season -- most notably in an episode called 'Instinct.'"
(Stargate writer Martin Gero)

"Check out a very interesting female wraith character in 'Instinct,' played by Firefly's wonderful Jewel Staite.
(Executive producer Joseph Mallozzi)

Are there such things as nice Wraith? "Oddly enough ... yes. Check out an episode in Season Two called 'Instinct.'"
(Stargate writer Martin Gero)

Posted by: bigjohn_1972 Jul 14th 2005, 4:40 PM

Hmm, I though we already saw a female Wraith in the first episode. Sure looked feminine anyway, the one in the pink?

But even so, I'd like to see who this "nice" wraith is!

Posted by: Dafmeister Jul 15th 2005, 8:42 PM

The following is from Gateworld. Interesting stuff:

So, finally, from the horses mouth, the Wraith evolved from the bugs in '38 Minutes'.

Posted by: Lagger Jul 16th 2005, 3:35 AM

oooohh... but how come wraith tech is so diff from ancient tech, if they came formthe same place.. and how did the wraith become so powerfull so fast?

Posted by: Chrisb319 Jul 16th 2005, 8:33 AM

their the bad guys, it's kinda the rule.

Posted by: NoDot Jul 16th 2005, 5:10 PM

I saw that scene myself on Monday when the first showed that thing.

I'm sorry, care to tell us how you got that? The end of the article mentioned "Thirty-Eight Minutes," but, IIRC, that was not mentioned in the lowdown. IOW, that's GateWorld's speculation.

Posted by: Dafmeister Jul 16th 2005, 5:44 PM

Read the post again and you'll see that Tori Higginson said "We're talking about how the Wraith are half-human, half-bug".

Posted by: bigjohn_1972 Jul 17th 2005, 12:42 AM

Lol.

Ya, I remember there was a lot of speculation about that, turns out it was correct!

SGA is turning out to be a pretty interesting show!!!

Posted by: DI Falken Jul 20th 2005, 4:08 PM

The people whose DNA was incorporated with the bugs' undoubtedly had some tech around, if they ever got checked in on by the Ancients (who were busily seeding that galaxy, still being pre-Wraith, right?). The primitive Wraith (I'm assuming they evolved somewhat from their original bug/person-ness to their currently advanced state, since they did play with gene-manipulation) would have adapted that tech to their own needs as they advanced.
Someone please correct the excessive assumptions I've made before I make too much of an ass of myself!

Posted by: Joda Jul 20th 2005, 8:04 PM

Anyone remember the ruins of the old city on Teyla's home planet? Perhaps there are more ruins such as this, and they were "ruined" before the Wraith became a space faring species, they slowly built up their forces before confronting the Ancients directly in open combat, ala Rebel Alliance in Star Wars.

Posted by: Wooooo Aug 6th 2005, 10:56 AM

Hey guys its been a while since i posted anything on this site so i thought i better get bc to it. Ive just found a small pic from the eppisode tittled 'Instinct'. Its not a large picture but its all i can find at the mo.

If u dont wanna see it dont click the spoiler tag!!!

This pic was from the german site Stargate Project.

Posted by: Wooooo Aug 6th 2005, 11:01 AM

Also there's this... the interview done with Jewel Staite (the actress that plays the female wraith) for the Stargate Project website.

Read and learn

http://www.stargate-project.de/stargate/index.php?seite=artikel&aktion;=show&ID;=324

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Aug 6th 2005, 11:45 AM

A funny part of your previous post!

If you Read the rules, then as far as double posting within a few minutes of one another, then you'd perhaps have learned something.

Why do you think there is an Edit button after you submit your posts.

Posted by: Wooooo Aug 6th 2005, 12:32 PM

of course my lord, i did forget that. like i said its been a long time since i was last in this forum plus ive had alot of things on my mind lately.

Once again apologies for dbl posting

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Aug 17th 2005, 6:14 PM

Your Lord hasn't forgiven you yet, perhaps in time my child!

Posted by: IndyJan Aug 17th 2005, 9:45 PM

WOW, Jamesy, those are some great looking pictures. I can't wait to see what will happen.

Posted by: Stargate Master Aug 18th 2005, 2:29 AM

Great pictures Jamesy. That female Wraith looks sooo great. Can't wait for this episode!!

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 18th 2005, 3:35 AM

Ok silly question but, is this the episode where they develop the wraith dna surpressor?

Posted by: Atlantians Aug 18th 2005, 4:44 AM

Posted by: Stargate Master Aug 18th 2005, 5:25 AM

Nope, that episode is called, "Michael".



I think he is being hung up by a trap of some sort.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Aug 18th 2005, 7:46 AM

I keep trying to look to see what the Wraith is doing but can't see for definite.

They can't fly, So he's either suspended in a trap, Is jumping down from a tree to ambush them or perhaps he's been hit by the other Wraith & has been launched back into the trees.

The other Wraith female looks very menacing.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 18th 2005, 3:05 PM

She does not look Wraith. She looks like a half breed. Like a wraith was trapped and found a lover among the natives and had a child with that person. She looks a mix of wraith and something else.

Posted by: Stargate Master Aug 18th 2005, 3:19 PM

I was also thinking this Em. Her hands are different from a normal Wraith and her face is a half blue-ish colour. She is definatley a half breed.

Posted by: ancient01 Aug 19th 2005, 4:28 AM

Or do they change after they first feed? The title is Instinct...

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Aug 19th 2005, 7:44 AM

I think that the female with the claws is actually the little innocent one that appears in the last photo. The top seems to be identical.

She doesn't look the same. The face has more blueon it, So it could be as ancient01 said that she changes after she feeds, on what looks likely to be another Wraith..



EDIT:

Just found out why she is different in the two pictures.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Aug 23rd 2005, 8:07 AM

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Posted by: ancient01 Aug 23rd 2005, 11:32 AM

Very nice pictures... It looks to me like her human DNA is being suppressed and the bug DNA is taking over. That blue in her skin looks very insectoid. This sounds like a cool episode...

Posted by: Samara Draven Aug 26th 2005, 10:23 PM

Given what Beckett said about the bugs not needing a human digestive system (so why have one?) and what we learn about the female being able to sustain herself on regular food until she reached "puberty"; I think that it isn't the bugs who incorporated human DNA into their genetic makeup. I believe it is the humans who were changed into the wraith. The episode Conversion would seem to support this even though Carson's retro virus is to blame for what happened to the female and thus to Sheppard.

I still think that what he said in the infirmary alludes to that. I think that the Wraith and Humans have more in common than we first thought.

Although, I am troubled by something. If the Ancients seeded the bug planet with humans and created the Wraith on accident, why didn't they realize it was by their mistake and try to fix it in some fashion? If it's merely a matter of contaminated DNA why didn't they spend any time trying to cure it like Beckett has set out to do. I'm sure that at some point they had to realize their mistake and try to rectify it. Sure the Wraith are big bad guys but the Ancients are supposedly a pretty smart bunch. I don't understand why they couldn't do what Carson is trying. They had 100 years! And he comes up with something in a few months?

I have no doubt that if the Ancients could've taken care of it so simply, they would have.

Yeah sure! TPTB make Rodney look stupid and all the more like an a** in Sheppard's eyes but they have Carson come up smelling like roses in a similar situation.

Am I the only one bothered by this?

Posted by: NoDot Aug 26th 2005, 11:40 PM

Perhaps, but who else thinks this has happened a little too fast, and thus, isn't any sort of coincidence in terms of technological advancement?

Posted by: Samara Draven Aug 27th 2005, 2:54 PM

I do think it's strange but we don't know for sure how long humans have existed in the Pegasus galaxy. We know the Ancients left the Milky Way 'several million years ago'. Scientifically speaking, the oldest human remains date back almost 200,000 years.

10,000 years ago - give or take a couple of centuries - the Ancients returned to Earth. Assuming the Ancients started seeding life in Pegasus right away, the wraith would've had all those millions of years to evolve. And, assuming their telepathy helps shorten the learning curve, they could conceivably advance to being that technologically evolved.

Think about it: Some Ancients go back to the bug planet to check on the human progress there but discover that the humans aren't human anymore and the Ancients are unprepared for such a physical altercation and all of them lose. The Wraith then go check out any ships and technology they may have brought with them. That would explain why their written language is a derivative of Ancient.

So, to me, it is all perfectly plausible. What I can't get my head around is that the Ancients couldn't have fixed things but Carson can. I don't know. Maybe TPTB are playing off of the fact that we think differently than they did.

Posted by: NoDot Aug 27th 2005, 9:29 PM

The thing is, this is assuming the Ancients didn't regularly check up on these planets. I'd be willing to be they came back at least every hundred or so years. That would let them keep a relatively close eye on the evolution of the population.

Just because I feel like saying it: who's saying the incorporation of human DNA or vice versa is accidental?

Posted by: Dafmeister Aug 29th 2005, 12:54 PM

Maybe its like when the Asgard couldnt find a way to fight the Replicators. Thor said that they wouldnt have thought of using guns to destroy the Replicators. Perhaps the Ancients were too advanced for their own good and couldnt think in simple terms.

Posted by: Samara Draven Aug 30th 2005, 3:06 PM

That's about the only explanation I'll except and it still stinks of stale rehashing. I like Atlantis. I find myself looking forward to watching it more than sg1. But the stories already have resorted to recycling material. I really am bothered by this.

Posted by: IndyJan Aug 30th 2005, 3:56 PM

I'm not bothered by it at all. the difference between Beckett and Mckay is that Beckett isn't hung up with arrogance and an ego the size of Alaska! Beckett wants to wait, do testing, and he said, the virus wasn't ready. It didn't work yet. Whereas, McKay says that he is always right.

I think that you can compare the Ancients with the Wraith to the Asgards and the Replicators. Don't forget that the Ancients and the Asgards were once part of a "great alliance." They both have arrogance in abundance. It took the replicators beating the Asgards, and the SG1 team helping to defeat them before the Asgards changed their way of thinking. Maybe it will take the team of Atlantis winning something against the Wraith before the Ancients will realize that they can't do it all.

Posted by: Samara Draven Aug 30th 2005, 7:30 PM

I understand what you're saying and I agree that McKay was overly arrogant in that storyline. In fact, it's one of my peeves about the ep. It just seemed that McKay was over the top in that one and the whole point of it came off as forced. Like they just had to make that point no matter what.

Beckett may be a more patient scientist and allow progress to take its time but it still seems odd to me that he accomplishes what the Ancients couldn't do or - at the very least - think to do in the hundred plus years since they ran across the Wraith. Which brings me back to how the "we-can't-think-like-you" mentality was used before.

I know it's a small nit to pick and I'm probably going to have to live with it but gnaws at me like my intelligence has been insulted or something.

Posted by: IndyJan Aug 30th 2005, 11:13 PM

Okay, I get where you are coming from. Actually, I don't think we have to worry too much about either Beckett or McKay truly outwitting the Wraith, at least for awhile. They might be able to win once in awhile, just to survive. But I don't see the writers having them truly outwit them, or the show would be over.

Posted by: Samara Draven Aug 31st 2005, 10:32 AM

Thank goodness for that. I doubt there can be a worse-than-the-Wraith kind of enemy. If there were, they would have a strange hold on the Pegasus galaxy, not the Wraith. I find it amusing yet troublesome that the writers have gotten themselves into this situation of writing an enemy that defeated the Ancients and still making our survival against them plausible. I suppose there will be some hiccups here and there.

They really are kind of teetering on the edge of the knife in that aspect.

Posted by: IndyJan Sep 1st 2005, 3:57 PM

Part of the problem for the Ancients maybe that they fell victim to their arrogance. Maybe that is why they had Rodney show how arrogant he was. he felt that he could defeat the Wraith in one fell swoop. Maybe that arrogance was the downfall for the Ancients. At least with the Asgards and the Replicators, they were not so arrogant. The Asgards had no problem asking the Tauri for help.

Posted by: Cindy Sep 8th 2005, 3:46 AM

I wonder if the wraith girl is a test subject or something because she looks different from the others and is way stronger and faster. She killed the other wraith easily. Or mabey she looks the way she does because she's a female. Who knows!!

I'll bet she is a test subject created to bite normal people and turn them in to wraiths. At least thats what i think because Sheppard looked the way he did in Conversion.

Posted by: Cindy Sep 8th 2005, 3:51 AM

ooops forgot to say i was changing the subject

Posted by: IndyJan Sep 8th 2005, 12:07 PM

Actually, I think the girl looked different because she was a teenager, not a full grown adult yet. As far as her strength, I believe that came about because she infected herself with the retro-virus. She was turning back into the original bug that joined with human DNA. When she scratched Sheppard, she also infected him with that same DNA.

Posted by: Cindy Sep 9th 2005, 7:11 AM

I didn't think of that. Too bad the retro virus didn't work.Ii think it will work on a test subject later on in the season.