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Posted by: startreksuite Jul 24th 2005, 7:00 AM

The reason it didn't jump to Sheppard's glider is because there was no navigational computer installed. Sheppard said all the navigational computers on the ship were dismantled, hinting that the glider had the only remaining computer, so no chance of it jumping anywhere.
I agree the storyline seemed thin and repetitive, and yes the flashbacks sucked. I'm sure everyone else would have liked to see a full interaction between the new SG-1 and Atlantis, and possibly give another reason Daniel didn't make it. Shanks said that will be a running joke this season.

Posted by: Carter-Hot Jul 24th 2005, 7:05 AM

This isn't a nitpick as such, but I thought the hyperspace window (entering and exiting) looked better in "The Siege" (Part3) than in "The Intruder".

Let's recall, in "The Siege" (Part 3) the hyperspace window was blue-green-ish, Stargate event horizon-like, while in "The Intruder", it was the standard Goa'uld one - so sorta disappointing.

I like flashbacks, it was a cool episode.

So many cool things on the episode like Sheppard and Hermoid stare-off, the duck in one of the F-302s.

Posted by: hellbourne Jul 24th 2005, 7:47 AM

The scene after Sheppard stares at Hermiod, he says : "These humans are infants" (backwards)

Posted by: Man Jul 24th 2005, 7:48 AM

About the hyperspace window... I liked this one better, the asgard ships also have the blueish tinge to them, and as we are using an asgard hyperdrive it is only fitting for it to be blue.
However what bugged my was the time it took to travel to Earth, I thought asgard ships were capable from travelling from their galaxy to ours in less than a day, why does it take so long, the ship is basicly an asgard ship with human tech slapped onto it.

About what hermiod said:

After shepard finished staring: "These humans are infants"

Posted by: Sighfienerd Jul 24th 2005, 11:06 AM

Hermiod is so funny! But I do think there's an incongruency when it's always McKay that is coming up with brilliant ideas to save the day. The Asgard are an extremely advanced and intelligent race. Realistically, I think Hermiod would more likely be the one coming up with all (or at least some) of the innovative ideas.

Posted by: Anubis drone Jul 24th 2005, 12:35 PM

There's one time that Hermy says "The incompetence of these humans is begining to make me angry"

Posted by: Sighfienerd Jul 24th 2005, 1:30 PM

Oh what fun the writers must be having with that!! I think they should appropriate the SGA acronym so it now means Starkies Grouchy Asgard.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jul 24th 2005, 1:46 PM

Sighfi That is great.

Indy thanks. I guess my guess was right than. It was to much of a co-incident that they did that in the bigger battle. It had to be when the Intruder entered.

I love spoilers.

Posted by: kettricken Jul 24th 2005, 3:48 PM

did anyone else notice the little rubber ducky in one of the f303's McKay was poking or was it just me?

i would like to think of it as an omage to my belloved Marduck, however the realist in me has to say it's really just a duck ah well, its cute anyway.....what's with the summo wrestler dude?

Posted by: Pitry Jul 24th 2005, 6:34 PM

Okay, my transformation is now compelte. I actually really like Weir. Disturbing.

I loved her scene with Landry.... "The president agrees with me" - at that moment, she really reminded me of Jessica Steen in Lost City. Great work. Loved all the flashbacks actually... and Carson and his "He's more qualified than me, too"! Gotta love him.

Yup, the story was recycled - but keep in mind they noticed that themselves - aand actually played off by it - giving them the easy solution "cos we already done so in Entity". It does continue the on-going feeling that it's actually one show, not two (and Hermoid! I kidna felt Sheppard's comments were aimed for the non-cross-over viewers!)...

I love that Asgaard. He's great. Crap, indeed.

Very enjoyable

Posted by: Samara Draven Jul 25th 2005, 12:20 AM

Granted the virus makes copies of itself but it really is so much more than just a virus. It's an AI. I think the three attempts to remove the virus showed how resourceful and tricky the Wraith can be. I don't think it shows a lack of material because every time it came back it did a little something new. It did so much more than just clog up memory; like when they discovered they were on course for the nearest star but they wouldn't hit it. Instead they would all die and leave the ship unharmed. It was capable of adapting to every attempt at removing it. A plain virus can't do that to the same extent. Nor can a virus decide to cause a toxic leak and then open the hatch of the ship to kill someone as the wraith virus did.

I liked how they couldn't just go "Ok reboot."

As for the flaw you mentioned: There's a flaw in your... flaw.

McKay and Sheppard were in the fighter bay removing the memory storage units from every F-302 including the one they were sitting in which was the last one. The memory storage units in the fighters were the only place where it could hide. The shot down ship couldn't upload the virus to the ship Shep was flying because the memory unit had been pulled out.

Besides, without all of that repetitiveness, we wouldn't have had the chance to see an Asguard lose it a little. I, for one, laughed so hard I cried.

Posted by: ancient01 Jul 25th 2005, 6:26 AM

Not true... The infected 302 was the one that Sheppard used to blow up the array and was beamed out of. The virus kept it close by so that it could re-infect the Daedalus.

I recognize the need for an episode to show off the new ship and crew, but I agree that the virus thing was done before and done to death. I just chalk this one up to a character development episode. I'll enjoy it on that premise.

Posted by: Carter-Hot Jul 25th 2005, 7:15 AM

On the Fighter Bay (was about to say, Jumper Bay), it sorta reminded me of BSG's Viper Bay.

All the crafts were aligned to each side, it was an impressive shot, when they just beamed in after Sheppard looking at McKay's funny but ridiculous pose.

I recall going, "OOOhhhhh" when the camera panned across the Bay.

Posted by: Lagger Jul 25th 2005, 8:07 AM

Lolz... hermy is so funneh.....

and we finnally get to see x-302's fly around...

Posted by: Cornwalace Jul 25th 2005, 6:30 PM

I hope they show more fighter action.. They never really went into the 302's against the darts in the prev episode like they went into 302 vs 302...

Posted by: Anubis drone Jul 25th 2005, 6:43 PM

I also though it was kind of repetitive, but not because of the "virus cleanings", but because of the suspense they try to make by having sheppard not answer the radio immediatly. He doesn't anwer because he and mckay just escaped death by vacuumm, and he also doesn't answer after destroying the last fighter. We already know they are going to be fine on both occasions, why bother with the usual "suspense-radio silence", twice?

Mckay covering his genitals was funny

The comment about the naked asgard was also hilarious, basically mocking the established norm for aliens in scifi


the "translation" of the binary code to wraith code was also kind of stupid. Ok, it was extremely stupid.

And I always wonder how these alien computer viruses are always compatible with our computers, and do more things with our computers than we can...

Posted by: Man Jul 25th 2005, 8:29 PM

I did too, and there are lots of reasons... Have the wraith even got their hands on any of our technology? If they had one of the many tablets that are all over atlantis, or laptops for that matter, then I can understand a little better, but I see no way of wraith being able tto code for something that they don't even know what it is. Then comes the problem that wraith tech is based on anchient tech, and don't they use base 8 code, instead of our base 2? There is no way any of out processors would understand base 8 code (as in 030500735230533432273541 would probably be interpreted by our computers as 000100101000100000010100), so as soon as it was sent to our ship it would be corrupted.

Then the conversion from binary to wraith... WTF? What does that prove? That our computers are good at translating stuff, really it makes no sense, even normal code would look all wraith if sent through some sort of translation like that. Change it to a hex representation, or a asgard representation, it becomes a lot more usefull that way, you might be able to understand it better, than the goop spitted out with all those wwraith symbols, with no one truly understanding fluient wraith.

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"Is he supposed to be naked like that?" LOL, absolute gold... Although I would of thought o'neil would of detailed that fact in his reports, just shows that shep reads documents as much as o'neil did

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jul 25th 2005, 8:36 PM

I think McKay was afraid his "member" would be left behind.

I just saw the episode. It was ok. Nothing to exciting.

Posted by: Samara Draven Jul 25th 2005, 10:40 PM

That was earlier in the ep. At the end, the infected 302 that Shep was beamed out of and stayed close to reinfect the D is the one that was shot down by Sheppard who was in a different 302 that had its memory storage unit pulled.

Whew! Sorry... it's a bit of a run-on.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jul 25th 2005, 11:24 PM

You are right. But I think you and Ancient are saying the same thing just worded different.

The first fighter had the virus and reinfected the D.
The second fighter had no computer memory and was clean. It destroyed the first fighter and the D rebooted and stayed clean.

Posted by: startreksuite Jul 26th 2005, 6:36 AM

I agree Auntie Em! When I first read it I thought Draven was saying that the only computer left was the one Sheppard dismantled in the second ship he flew.

Posted by: IndyJan Jul 26th 2005, 10:17 AM

Okay, I loved Weir in the 2-parter on Stargate last season. Hated her once she began on Atlantis. I started to like her once again in the episode My liking her continued in this season's first episode. After watching the second one, yes, it is now complete. I said they have made her back to where she was. She was not pulling her punches with either Landry or Caldwell. This is what Weir needs to be. Not namby-pamby, and wishy-washy. She is really growing, or the writers are finally getting their stride and writing for her correctly.

Posted by: Sighfienerd Jul 26th 2005, 11:56 AM

That's a good assessment, Indy. There's been some definite growth with her character, which makes her more interesting. She really wasn't a natural leader at all, so it's fun to see her step up to the plate and use skills that she's learned in Atlantis to make things happen the way she wants them to. I also think she's had to make some extremely difficult decisions involving the lives of other people, which has helped shape her abilities to provide calm, effective leadership.

Posted by: IndyJan Jul 26th 2005, 2:33 PM

Sigh, you are correct. I do believe that the experiences that have occurred in Atlantis has helped to shape Weir. It's what she has experienced that has made her toughen up and be able to make those tough decisions. For instance, Sheppard was the only one that could fly the jumper into the hive ship to destroy it. Weir didn't want to make that decision, but she knew it was for the good of the whole group.

I'm thinking that maybe, just maybe the writers finally have her down. I know that I didn't care for Ford at all last season. He was boring and totally underdeveloped. Yet, the first episode this season, they give him something to do, and made him interesting for the very first time. Now he's recurring. I don't understand these writers at times.

Posted by: Pitry Jul 26th 2005, 2:38 PM

Actually, that was a part of my problem, she's supposed to be a better leader, beign a diplomat and such. From Hot Zone forward, however, we started to see more of that side of her, more of the leadership quality. That's what I liked about her here - it's like Indy said, she wasn't pulling punches, she was like "Oh, the president agrees with me, tough".



Like you, like the rest of us I did like Ford the past season. His character didn't warrant a full member, he could have been recurring, but he was a character that took things in the "Aliens! Cooool!" atittude, which I missed from McKay, Sheppard et al. But things really start to look interesting for him this season.... sigh!

Posted by: Sighfienerd Jul 26th 2005, 3:31 PM

Pitry, I usually think of diplomats as being good at compromising and negotiating, which aren't necessarily qualities that would serve Weir well in the hair-trigger situations that occur in Atlantis. I think she's had to learn that sometimes compromising and negotiating actually undermine her authority as a leader.

Posted by: IndyJan Jul 26th 2005, 4:41 PM

She did learn that early on. Remember when she wanted to negotiate with the Wraiths? She said that to Sheppard. When that happened, I was like what the heck are you smoking girl? But she didn't learn until the end of season 1 and with the first 2 episodes this season. I'm really liking her a lot.

Pitry, I hear where you are coming from in regards to Ford, but I thought it was too much. It kind of reminds me of Jonas on SG. He had this wide-eyed look for the season because everything was new, 1) first time in a deathglider, 2) first time meeting a Goa'uld, 3) first time being captured, etc. He was always smiling and having a blast. I can maybe see Jonas being that way. he had never done any traveling, exploring and he wasn't military. But Ford is military. He had been exposed to things before in SGC. Pretty much all the military people that came to Atlantis had had some exposure, they had training for what they would be doing and where they would be going, so it shouldn't have been all new to him.

But like I said, Ford should be interesting this season.

Posted by: linda_lol Jul 26th 2005, 8:38 PM

This ep was okay. I was kinda distracted though, so I never finished it. I enjoyed the SG-1 episode a lot more. Though, I like the new guy that commands the Daedalus, he's a good actor.

I give it a 6/10.

Posted by: startreksuite Jul 28th 2005, 6:32 AM

This episode had some interesting character development. Weir becomes a stronger leader, Sheppard becomes a Lieutenant Colonel, Ford, a confident yet 2 dimensional character has a wraith enzyme that affected his phyical strength, appearance and personality, making him an enigma. This last part is due to the fact that they will be adding a wraith runner to the team, who is supposed to be more like Teal'c. Ford was confident as Sheppards military backup, but he didn't posess the strength of character that Teal'c does. Maybe after he overcomes his wraith transformation he will be a more compelling character.
I wasn't pleased with Teyla's dispostion either, she seemed to perky when she saw Weir, and was like "we can discuss things later with her" to Zalanka (sic) when he was telling her about what the ZPM has done for Atantis

Posted by: Lagger Jul 28th 2005, 10:07 PM

i reversed what the asgaurd said after the stare out with shep, and it sounded like "these humans are ancients" would tha tbe right???

Posted by: Man Jul 29th 2005, 1:44 AM

No, because that would be a compliment. I am pretty sure it was "These humans are infants"

Go listen to the one after the wraith computer virus comes back after rebooting for the second time, that one is absolutly hysterical.

Posted by: Lagger Jul 29th 2005, 3:26 AM

Lolz...

the incompetence of these humans, are making me angry?

if im correct.... or incorrect...

Posted by: Happy Hopping Aug 1st 2005, 1:59 PM

how can that ship fly w/o memory? I mean, the memory was there for good reason. It's like saying how can your computer run w/o its RAM chips?

Posted by: dr_n_tesla Aug 2nd 2005, 4:08 AM

Only the navigational computer is directly compatible with the Prometheus and Daedalus navigational systems, whereby you can directly (wireless) upload/download navigational data. The rest of the F-302's systems are not connected to the virus when they disconnect the navigational computer's storage unit. Hence it cannot be infected when they startup/turn on the F-302 as RAM doesn't hold it's content when turned off or rebooted.

I hope they get that antenna array repaired and also hope the Asgard have a spare sensor. Being a battle cruiser expecting to see some action, they should have some spares around.

I think they need an antivirus for the system to detect when they need to shut down and make a clean reboot.
I wonder when are they going to retro fit the PJ's Stealth Mode Generator to the Daedalus?

Posted by: cvvrede Aug 24th 2005, 2:05 PM

I thought the idea for this episode wasn?t very original. A lot of Sci-Fi series have had a story line close to this one. Stargate SG-1 had one close to it, even if it wasn?t on a ship but in the SGC (the episode 4x20 ?Entity?) as is mentioned in the episode. Also the scene in the fighter was almost identical to the one where O?Neill and Teal?c are stuck in a goa?uld death glider (episode 4x12 ?Tangent). I guess that?s unavoidable. But with the flashbacks in it, it was a pretty good episode. The flashbacks were also a good idea, because it avoided having to use characters from Stargate SG-1.

The promotion of Major Sheppard to Lieutenant Colonel wasn't very unexpected for me, because I thought the senior Air Force officer couldn?t be a Major and they couldn't just write the main character out. But I didn't expect they?d do it this way. It was kind of funny to see Colonel Caldwell being overwritten by Weir, as was the little t?te-?-t?te between John and Elizabeth at the start of the episode. Although I felt sorry for Elizabeth, I was glad she broke up with her boyfriend. Then nobody has ties back earth anymore.

Also very funny was the Asgard, Hermiod. It was both unreal (as far as you can say that of gray aliens) and cool to have an Asgard who is funny in a way that isn?t through overly logical remarks. That was fun to see.

Posted by: Christy Sep 9th 2005, 2:28 AM

Not showing the opening credits sort of is unusual for me and i'm not really liking it.
You expect it when they have just started a series and they usually have credits in the second episode but...it sosrta takes the anticipation out of the episode...waiting for the next scene to arrive and so to only have a five second "opening" is so not cool.

The episode was ok for me, i mean i missed watching Atlantis and so to see the second episode of the season was good and everyone's acting has improved so much and everyone fits in so well and you can just see the emotion which everyone is portraying.

Posted by: MasterBetty Sep 26th 2005, 11:26 PM

i watched this ep yesterday i think it was ok i like the F302 flying that was cool and i think there was a cock up. on the daedalus there are two f302 bays but when they took the chips out they only went to one and they coulnt of walked across the othere side because its on the other side of the ship.

Posted by: Hack-Slash Oct 16th 2005, 4:29 PM

Can asguard beams manipulate people? Because when they beamed Sheppard out of the glider he was sitting down, but they after they beamed him he was standing up. Not really important but i'm like that.

Posted by: MasterBetty Oct 18th 2005, 7:46 PM

on this episode the guy who gets sucked out of the air lock is a guy who playes a tok'ra. on the episode where that bounty hunter captures SG-1

Posted by: Samara Draven Oct 19th 2005, 12:11 PM

No, it's not. I'm pretty sure that the tok'ra in the Ep (Dead Man Switch) where sg-1 gets captured by a bounty hunter is not the same actor that portrays Lidstrom - the guy that gets sucked out of the airlock. He does play a tok'ra in an sg-1 Ep, though. I believe it's the one with the invisible Ashrak that goes around killing members of the jaffa rebellion and Tok'ra while they were temporarily cohabitating the tau'ri alpha site. I'm not 100% sure but I think his name was Oker or Okre, Ocker, etc. Pronounced: Ock, ker. Or something like that.

Summary: Yes, he was a tok'ra in an sg-1 episode. However, it wasn't the bounty hunter episode.

Note to self: Never attempt to pursue a career as a dictionary author as it would be a complete and total bust - not to mention embarrassing.

Posted by: Dafmeister Oct 26th 2005, 3:15 PM

He was a Tok'Ra in 'Allegiance'.

This wasnt a bad episode. It was a bit too slow after what happened in 'The Seige' part 3. The best part was McKay when he was waiting to get transported. Does anyone know what Heriod was really saying, before his lines were reversed? I didnt recognise Garwin Sanford at first, he looks different with his hair long. It doesnt really suit him, but I guess that it separates him from being Narim.

Posted by: Parmenides Oct 26th 2005, 3:27 PM

Meh.
That was a bit pants really.

Yeah yeah, I know they had to show off the Daedalus, but in the second episode of the season, straight after we've seen Atlantis saved, we lose a huge chunk of time and don't even get to see the city that was saved.

Don't even get me started on the entity...sorry, virus!
How many plotlines have been lifted straight from SG-1 now?

All in all it wasn't a bad episode, I was just expecting so much more.

Hermiod rocks!

Posted by: JC1 Oct 26th 2005, 4:21 PM

The main story wasn't great, but there were enough highlights to still make it a fairly good episode.

Shepard's fight with the virus controlled F-302 was good, even if the 'slam on the brake's' move, has been done to death.

Hermoid, seem's to be like an Asgard version of Mckay.

I found it intersting that General Landry, good friend's with Jack O'Neil apparently, has doubt's about Shepard being in miltary command of Atlantis because he disobey's the odd order.

Anyway, nice to see Shepard get his promotion.

Posted by: glom Oct 26th 2005, 4:52 PM

This is episode was kind of full of annoying things. I think I'll make this http://www.cynicscorner.org/index.html.

TEMPORAL ANOMALY OF THE WEEK: This episode finally beats 'Fallen' for rushed plotting. In the first five minutes, they go back to Earth, do their stuff, and return to Pegasus. If anyone had turned on a couple of minutes late because they were finishing preparing their curry, they wouldn't even have understood the situation. That so little time was devoted to this important event in the lives of the Atlantis expedition in favour of this off-the-shelf plot is rather disappointing.

ANNOYING SOUND OF THE WEEK: This goes that wretched screeching the F-302s made. Yes, yes, I know we are all accept sounds in space, just as we accept that the first people the Atlantis expedition encountered in Pegasus spoke perfect English. The screeching sound however was obnoxious and when a sound that shouldn't be there at all is obnoxious, it just serves to rub it in. If it wasn't for the screeching, I wouldn't have even thought about this classic bit of bad astronomy. It's bad enough we have to watch that pointless banking.

COSTUME DRAMA OF THE WEEK: The flashback with Weir and Simon. I thought I was watching a stage play about a Yankee and his amour during the American Civil War. Are the costume department getting bored with doing jumpsuits and Jaffa skirts all the time?

TREKKISM OF THE WEEK: No circuit breakers aboard ship. If the USAF had allowed proper electrical engineers to design the Daedalus, then they could have simply pulled the breaker for the transmitter. And no, there should be no way for a computer, even one infected by a Wraith virus, to close a circuit breaker that has been physically tripped.

TREKKISM OF THE WEEK RUNNER UP: Sensors getting jammed by strawberry jam. The Asgard were capable of correcting the problems with the core of the sun of K'Tau (even if they didn't do it, it is clearly stated that they could have), yet somehow he can't detect two F-302s that aren't really all that near the sun.

AIRBUS DESIGN OF THE WEEK: It is generally expected that a pilot should retain the ability to turn an autopilot off, even if it means pulling, guess what, the breaker. Shepherd should not have lost control of the first 302 that way.

BIG BROTHER OF THE WEEK: Even the emergency lighting is controlled by the computer? Why no red emergency lights when doing those shutdowns?

THE KIRK "THIS IS THE MOST DANGEROUS PLANET IN THE GALAXY SO LET'S BEAM DOWN ALL THE SENIOR STAFF" SYNDROME OF THE WEEK: So all the main cast, exclusing Teyla whose not from Earth, get to go home at the same time. This includes the person in charge of the Atlantis expedition, the ranking military officer, the head scientist and the chief medical officer.

ARISTOTLE OF THE WEEK: True, what we saw wasn't technically wrong. When Shepherd closed the throttle, the evil 302 should have accelerated past him. However, Newton's first law says, and it should still apply in Pegasus, that an object will maintain its velocity unless acted upon by an external resultant force. In other words, there's no braking. It was only a dialogue slip, but it was cringeworthy nonetheless (especially without McKay taking this opportunity, like every other, to correct him) primarily because after 'Space Race', I don't trust the writers to have written it as just a figure of speech.

BOND VILLAIN OF THE WEEK: The Wraith virus for its unnecessarily slow and hence preventable plan to kill the crew by radiation poisoning. Just turn of the life support or launch an F-302 to break a few windows.

CHEERLEADER OF THE WEEK: Why did Teyla sound so dumb and peppy at the end of this episode? She usually sounds much more commanding and full of prescence.

UNRELIABLE GOD-TECH OF THE WEEK: In 'Prodigy' (another episode written by M&M and directed by Peter DeLuise, but containing a lot more charm), the Stargate flipped Carter and Haley around so they they exited the wormhole on opposite sides of each other. In this episode, that continuity gaff was beaten as the Asgard transporter beams out Shepherd sitting in the cockpit and the F-302 and rematerialises him on the bridge standing up. This time it was so obvious it was laughable. I'm surprised DeLuise of all people missed the opportunity for slapstick moment when Shepherd rematerialises and falls on his arse.

RELIABLE GOD-TECH OF THE WEEK: Speaking of missed transporter slapstick, why after the too-corny-and-drawn-out to-remain-funny-after-the-initial-one-second-of-amusement scene of McKay preparing for a risky transport, did the transport work perfectly depositing McKay and Shepherd on the floor perfectly balanced?

DEAD HORSE OF THE WEEK: McKay's outbursts in the face of imminent destruction is getting a little stale now. When he barked, "We're sitting ducks!" I had a feeling I'd seen David Hewlett deliver that line before in exactly the same manner. The repetitiveness of this kind of McKay line is getting to be annoying.

LABOUR SHORTAGE OF THE WEEK: Where's the Daedalus's chief medical officer? Why is Beckett in charge?

GRATUITOUS ROLE OF THE WEEK: That would be Weir. She was always hanging around in sensitive areas while knowledgeable people did important things. She was really only getting in their way.

DISORIENTATION OF THE WEEK: I guess this goes to Shepherd for forgetting that he's in SPACE and not in an F-22 trying to destroy a transmitter on the USS Nimitz in the middle of the Pacific. He didn't needn't to do a flypast of the transmitter while spraying bullets at random. He just needed to station keep with the Daedalus and carefully fire one or two shots at the transmitter.

Posted by: Dafmeister Oct 26th 2005, 5:09 PM

Have you just copied and pasted that post, it seems like you have.

Posted by: glom Oct 26th 2005, 5:27 PM

Do you mean me? I wrote it myself but the style was inspired by the website I linked. The Cynic hasn't reviewed any SG.

Posted by: Dafmeister Oct 27th 2005, 3:42 AM

I meant no offense, it just there was a hell of a lot of detail. I dont remember half the stuff that happened in the episode.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Oct 27th 2005, 8:22 AM

Daf in spoiler section for this thread I think there is a translation if I am not mistaken.

Posted by: Seshat Oct 27th 2005, 9:47 AM

Loved the episode, but when it was the falshbacks ... was the screen suddenly really light or is tht just my Tv? kinda annoyed me actually..........

Emma xx

Posted by: Dafmeister Oct 27th 2005, 3:20 PM

I found them to be quite bright too. The flashbacks kind of threw me, I didnt realise they were flashback scenes.

Posted by: ali Oct 28th 2005, 9:34 AM

I'm gonna be biased towards every Atlantis ep now, but I really liked this. The flashbacks to when they were on Earth were really cool...I felt so sorry for Elizabeth when Simon said he'd found someone else.
One thing though...it took Carter so much longer than that to be promoted to Lt Colonel and then Sheppard gets promoted just like that...I know he saved Atlantis and everything but she saved the world on a regular basis.
The Asgard (can't remember the name...) saying "Crap indeed" had me laughing for about five minutes.
And Carson. Wearing a suit.

Posted by: Parmenides Oct 28th 2005, 9:45 AM

Unless Sheppard was newly promoted to Major in episode 1, season 1, which I'm pretty sure he wasn't, we don't really know how long he was in between promotions. Are we saying he didn't do any outstanding work, deserving of merit, before he became involved in Atlantis?

Unless of course I've had a mental block and he was newly promoted in Rising.

Posted by: Dafmeister Oct 28th 2005, 9:52 AM

It is likely he had been a Major for quite a while. Sumner commented on Sheppard's reputation in 'Rising'. He seemed to have a bad attitude when he was talking with O'Neill in the helicopter.

Posted by: SG-A Oct 28th 2005, 11:05 AM

one thing I like about this epasoide is that they don't attempt to hide the fact that this is a rip on the sg1 epasoide, I am supprised Teyla never went to earth and Cadwell he needs an atatude ajustment

Posted by: JC1 Oct 28th 2005, 3:04 PM

Wasn't Shepard court martialled or at least reprimanded for disobeying orders? He himself has said a lot of people didn't think he'd make it past Captain and a lot of high ranking people such as General's O'Neil and Landry and Col's Sumner and Caldwell seem to have serious doubt's about Shepard.

Compare Shepard's record to Mitchell who has an "impeccable service record" or Carter who must also have a near perfect service record, and his rise to the rank of Lt. Col seem's rather quick. And I would guess Shepard is several years younger than Carter or Mitchell.

Posted by: mini_jack Oct 31st 2005, 2:54 PM

well I just had tiem to watch this episode it was a good one. we finally see some 302 action in SGA it may b 302 vs 302 but i can't complain.

Posted by: warpchick Nov 2nd 2005, 11:09 AM

great episode i love it every part of it

Posted by: MasterBetty Nov 2nd 2005, 7:03 PM

i thought i had seen him somewhere on the show

Posted by: Samara Draven Nov 3rd 2005, 10:07 AM

Although, I think he put on some extra padding between the sg-1 ep and the Atlantis ep. It was enough to throw off my husband. I had to dig up the episode and show him the credits. Now, however, I can't remember the actor's name to show for my effort. Memory is such a fickle thing.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Nov 3rd 2005, 12:20 PM

I thought that O'Neill liked sheppards attitude in "Rising Part 1". He does have that cocky "I don't give a sh*t attitude" that O'Neill harbours.

Sheppard was promoted because of the hassle he was being given. They wanted a leader of the Atlantis operation to be a higher rank than just a Major. Weir would not settle for another leader and used her link with the president Hayes to get him promoted to Lt. Col.

Posted by: Christy Nov 10th 2005, 1:54 AM

I did get the sense that O'neil liked Shep and what isnt there to like? he is such a cutie.
Yes, it did seem odd that they all went back to Earth but i was glad that Teyla didn't go as there did not seem like anything she could do.
Other than that...The flashbacks kinda annoyed me because you're watching the episode as it is but then they go back into the past and at first i thought it was a dream but then i realised they had actually gone back to Earth so yeah.

Posted by: dr lee Dec 23rd 2005, 3:46 PM

after seige III almost anything would have been dull.

hermod is an interesting character. he kinda makes me think he didn't want to do that job. 'crap indeed'

is it me or every time they are going through files with mugshots in them you allways see PDL in one of the photos? when beckett is looking through the files PDL looks to be the bottom file.

Posted by: blackbelt83 Feb 2nd 2006, 3:08 AM

This was a good ep. I agree LT. col shepard sounds wierd. It was cool geting to see every body go home for a bit, but every one they knew had moved on that sucks. I really liked it when wier stood up to the genrals in thet brifing room that was cool she told them how it was going to be.

Posted by: Alley Mar 21st 2006, 8:22 AM

It wasnt her husband it was her boyfriend, and if John asks her out theres no reason for her to say not =)

Posted by: kordone Jun 7th 2006, 4:47 AM

After a watching season 2 a while.... then going back & watching season 1 Major seems wierd

Posted by: KillerMarv Jun 7th 2006, 4:59 AM

Oh, yeah, he wasn't a major for that long... In my point of view, he was a major as long as he was a lieutenant colonel on the show... So, after the first episode of the new season, major will sound weird for me too...