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Stargate Information Archive _ Atlantis Season 2 _ 209 - Aurora
Posted by: Arcady Sep 16th 2005, 2:22 PM
Season 2, Episode 9 - Aurora
Air Dates - US: September 23 2005, Canada: September 19 2005
The Atlantis team discovers an ancient ship.
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(This topic is for people who have seen the episode to discuss it. If you don't want to be spoiled, don't read this topic.)
Posted by: Auntie Em! Sep 20th 2005, 7:41 AM
What there are no other Canadians who saw this last night? 
Ok I like this episode. It was good and much to my pleasure the ship did NOT look like it came off a Star Trek ship.
How was the Aurora found? The Altantis crew are using the new ZPM when the D is in orbit to power up different parts of Atlantis systems to see what they have and it activated a system wide fleet recall system. The Aurora suddenly popped up on its long range sensors. It was 1 million mile or something like that away. So they used the D. I thought this was a pretty solid premises and didn't see anything wrong with it.
They get to the ship and a wrath ship was there. The Aurora is one bigass mother of a ship but it surprised me in that it was not really a pretty ship. I was expecting more. At least the inside was cool looking.
I like the pods they found. At least it was not a alternate reality but only a virtual reality. It rang of loudly I might add of "Gamekeeper". It was the same premise. Yet again they did not touch on that by saying. "Hey I think SG1 encountered something like this once". It just was swept under the table and forgotten. I think Rodney is getting a backbone. When he volunteered to be the one to enter an empty pod it shows he has guts and later when the wraith woke up 
I loved Rodneys face. "OH sh*t!" He is so cute even as he runs with his tail bewteen his legs as he blindly fires at the wraith. At least he didn't release the clip this time. 
I liked the twist with the Wraith actually doing something smart and not just thinking of their stomachs for once. To bad Shep fell for it and spilled the beans about Atlantis still being active but hidden. Shep, Shep do you always fall for the blond bomb shells or what? Get you head out of your penis will ya. You better hope that the Wraith did not send his message before he died. I suspect the message did get out.
Teyla looked good and was actually smart! I love how she handled Cadwell or what ever the D captains name is. He is a pain in the ass but you got to love him.
When I saw the blonde body whose life was sucked out of it I knew it was the 1st officer. It kinda gave it away before I even saw the evil smile on the officers face.
Over all I liked it. Things are getting better on Atlantis. It sure has been a slow year so far.
EDIT: I forgot to add. How weird was that that the people of the Aurora were no longer aware they were only in a Virtual Reality. But I guess after 10,000 years they could have forgotten.
Posted by: Ben64 Sep 20th 2005, 3:28 PM
I really liked this episode, was hoping for a bit more Atlantian knowledge then they got (destruct codes 
) But it reminded me of a Star Trek: Voyager episode. http://www.tv.com/star-trek-voyager/the-thaw/episode/10678/summary.html
All in all, it was entertaining, but alas, doesn't seem to progress the storyline at all.
Posted by: Auntie Em! Sep 20th 2005, 7:55 PM
Yeah. But that is what all of season 2 is like. It is just kinda floating around with no aim. No goal to be obtained. No direct enemy to fight.
Posted by: Christy Sep 20th 2005, 8:25 PM
Hmm, you make a good point there auntie em...since when are the episodes going to progress the storyline?
In the last episodes nothing much really helped into giving us more of an idea on what goes on at Atlantis.
But i guess in this episode we saw a bit more of the Ancient belongings, for example their ship.
Posted by: Auntie Em! Sep 20th 2005, 8:33 PM
What did you think about the exterior of the ship it was very strange and not worthy of a race that could build a ship like Atlantis. The inside did not fit the outside.
Posted by: hobo_joe20 Sep 21st 2005, 1:29 AM
Well, they mentioned that the Wraith telepathic abilities were short-ranged. But just how short-ranged are they? I feel that it is too early in the season however for the Wraith to re-learn about Atlantis. Besides, the 2 cruisers were destryoed so I do not feel that the entire message got out, but perhaps only part?
I think the exterior of the ship definately looked like the outside of an early model-Atlantian battleship which later got retired and became a scientific purpose vessel which survived an onslaught from a wraith attack.
Overall, a fun episode however but I saw the wraith twist coming for quite some time, even before we saw the First-officer's body on the Aurora.
Posted by: Aussie_Bloke Sep 21st 2005, 2:31 AM
Two things.....
One: How did the wraith ships die....Daedalus or Aurora...if Aurora...what kind of weapons it have...and if Daedalus did they use the beeming tech with nukes?
Two: Are there any screenshots the of Daedalus next to Aurora....size compariosn would be good.
Thanks guys!
Posted by: ted_simple Sep 21st 2005, 3:13 AM
Rodney said it's more likely the interface was recently reactived. (I'd say probably by the Wraith who realized they couldn't wake up the crew and interrogate them because they were too old)
What is it with the blue light in the VR? Is it supposed to add another layer of coolness to the series? (Pardon the pun - blue is a cool color, isn't it.) Well it worked much better than with the stupid new (full) opening credits.
Posted by: hobo_joe20 Sep 21st 2005, 4:19 AM
Death by Aurora, via big-ass explosion caused by self-destruct.
It was probably put there to remind us that the ancients are "pure" and the blue on white sort of goes with the whole "pure, sterile" kind-of dreamy thing I guess they wanted in the VR.
Posted by: penno2005 Sep 21st 2005, 7:58 AM
can someone put a picture of this new ship on here i wud love 2 c it
Posted by: ted_simple Sep 21st 2005, 10:11 AM
You didn't miss much.
Posted by: Auntie Em! Sep 21st 2005, 12:11 PM
Ah that is right the *cough* copy you would have gotten Ted would be a Canadian copy. So was that the first time you saw the new credits?
I missed the part where Rodney says they were reciently reconnected. Now that makes a lot more sense.
Posted by: ted_simple Sep 21st 2005, 12:29 PM
Yes, I have seen the opening credits for the first time. They remember me of those silly hospital dramas openings in which all the doctors and nurses watch into the camera with a severe look on. Oh and the clinical blue just confirms that impression. I think they did the same kind of opening with close shots of everyone on Babylon 5. Never liked how they did it. Besides the blue coloring just confirms that all of season 2 is only a virtual reality.
I'll have my way with this season... you will see me opening a thread. I didn't want to judge prematurely and sat all through the episodes, but I didn't like many. 
Posted by: Pitry Sep 22nd 2005, 9:55 AM
"McKay, you're drooling over a Wraith!!"
Yup. Extremely odd credits. Actually saw them before, but it still strikes me as, well, odd.
As for the episode... Actually I didn't think of Gamekeeper. T'was more like... The Matrix!! 
T'was pretty entertaining, despite being very Matrix-ish (and this I'm saying without having watched parts 2 & 3).
Very blue.
Enjoyed Teyla grasping for tech-babble-talk. Wow, that's the first time I'm saying that. "Enjoyed Teyla"... t'was a hilarious moment. Liked the chess opening, giving us a bit to work with between Weir and Ronon, not everything is sunshine in the New Guy Team thingie, er.
This one, unfortunately, also files under "decent". It wasn't bad. I can't say it was a bad episode. I also can't say it was a brilliant episode, like Trinity or Conversion. The story was straightforward and predictable, contributed nothing to the overall effort, once again we meet the Wraith in their fiendish schemes to over-take Earth and once again we stop them knowing about Atlantis still being out there and executing their evil schemes. Actually, exactly like Em said - "Yeah. But that is what all of season 2 is like. It is just kinda floating around with no aim. No goal to be obtained. No direct enemy to fight. ". The most it made me feel was liek Star Trek. Flying in our cool super spaceship, meeting an enemy, triumphing over the enemy, back to save the day yet another time with a cheesy ending. Meh. Well, at least unlike Star Trek, Atlantis has McKay and McKay-Sheppard banter.
"We take turns in saving each others' lives. This time it's my turn. You'll get to go next."
Posted by: penno2005 Sep 22nd 2005, 10:21 AM
i was hopping for more from the atlantians this ship looks like a hunk of junk theres no shape 2 it at all im very dissapointed
Posted by: Pitry Sep 22nd 2005, 10:25 AM
Atlantians\ Ancients tend to disappoint me in general. I mean, they've been building up to them being this compeltely utterly cool genius race for 7 years and then we get to meet more nad more of them and... how on Earth did they get to be as developed as they are? They're generally somewhat simplistic, dumb, and, well, cowards.
Posted by: Victus Sep 22nd 2005, 5:33 PM
So... like... their ship colided with that hunk of junk, and is now lodged inside... right?
Because an ancient ship should never look that crappy.
Posted by: hobo_joe20 Sep 22nd 2005, 6:15 PM
Because an ancient ship should never look that crappy.
I'd like to see you build something that lasts millions of years in space, colliding with who knows what as it drifts about and have it not turn out "that crappy". Not to mention it left Atlantis during the wraith Seige and therefore would have sustained heavy damage BEFORE it drifted about for millions of years.
It looks like I'm one of the only people on here that actually likes how it looks. It was realistic IMO. I would never have expected it to be in pristine condition after this long.
Posted by: sg69leader Sep 23rd 2005, 11:55 PM
This is a race that was ten times more advanced 10,000 years ago than the Asgard are now, so the styling of that ship just looks like crap. I prefer an O'neill class ship.
The episode it self was kind of cool, I hope they figure out that weakness eventually and not just forget this episode ever happened like they did for some of the SG-1 episodes.
I was also thinking that maybe like a bunch of sections of the ship were blown off from a battle or something, so that is not the actual shape of the ship just a small section of it.
Posted by: Aquila Sep 24th 2005, 12:09 AM
If anyone had the eyes to see the ship then they would have noticed that it had been blown to pieces and was only barely intact. I did see the design (or what was left that you could interpret from the original) and I thought it very Ancient-like. Its rear where the engines would have been seemed to look like a triangle shape from what I could deduce. I think it was mentioned earlier that it was quite possible that this ship could have been an Ancient scientific ship, or one that was never originally intended for battle. Yet, it was probably transformed into one due to the need for battle-worthy ships...and even then it could hold its own...
Very sad. I really wish they could have at least gotten the information they needed before it went up in flames. Figures the producers would ruin such an awesome opportunity for the team.
Oh, and that poor Ancient first mate that was killed off by the Wraith... She was probably a very enchanting lady at one time...I can see why McKay was enthralled.
Aquila The Ancient
Posted by: Gate Jumper Sep 24th 2005, 12:21 AM
Great episode, wish they had more in it, like more interactions with the Ancients. Mckay: "To talk to a real live ancient of a life-time." Looks like we get to wait some more, I mean Sheppard did talk to them, but he got nothing useful. Also looks like they are trying to make Wizard of Oz jokes in this show like Sg-1. Sheppard: "There's no place like home." that was funny
Posted by: usmctech99 Sep 24th 2005, 12:59 AM
Woo-hoo! I finally got to see it!
Loved it despite the obvious Matrix and Gamekeeper similarities. McKay is hilarious. I must have told him (if only he could hear me) to get his gun out at least three times from the time the Wraith's pod opened 'til the commercial break. And the running away while ducking/cowering and shooting is, or at least it will become, a classic McKay moment. All that aside, I agree that no story line was moved forward, except for the fact that we now know the Wraith have a weakness. But it's still a good stand-alone episode, and there is character development.
Ok, someone asked about a pic with the Aurora and Daedalus together...
I have no idea how far apart they are, but I assume the Daedalus is in the foreground, and the Aurora is still a whole lot bigger.
And here's the Aurora self-destructing, taking the two Wraith cruisers with it... I believe I saw a question about this as well.
Posted by: Yamarin Sep 24th 2005, 6:51 AM
It looks like I'm one of the only people on here that actually likes how it looks. It was realistic IMO. I would never have expected it to be in pristine condition after this long.
It's beautiful!
I mean if you actually look at it and try to deduce what it may have looked like...reminds me a little bit about the ships from the Alien series...mostly the second one...Nostromo was it? or was that the first one? anyway way more realistic than a lot of other aerodynamic forms you see in other sci fi series...come on there is no matter in space no need for aerodynamics...form meets function...which reminds me...why do they always let the ships give off sound...last time I checked...in space no one can hear you scream
Yes it does sound cool...but realistic...not really...And btw "for the crew of the Aurora" -lifts glass and sniffs-
Posted by: Ringbearer Sep 24th 2005, 3:56 PM
I liked this episode!! Very good! I kinda started to suspect that one lady after a little while!! It was also very funny! LOL!!
Posted by: Ben64 Sep 24th 2005, 4:22 PM
Aurora... in HD
Posted by: Lt.ColonelHaylee Sep 24th 2005, 8:04 PM
Can anyone tell me where i can download this episode, i was busy running from hurricane rita!!
Posted by: Auntie Em! Sep 24th 2005, 9:20 PM
Damn that is an AMAZING difference in HD. Now I want my next tv to be HD. WOW. Beautiful pic Ben.
Posted by: sg69leader Sep 24th 2005, 10:25 PM
Hey, can somebody get that pic on photoshop and modify it so maybe we can see what it use to look like, I would but my photoshop is acting real gay.
Posted by: Jack_O'Neill Sep 25th 2005, 6:11 AM
I loved this episode, it struck me as very well thought out and I liked the explanations about whatever was being explained, all save for one.
Something just occured to me, if Mckay was new to Aurora and he could gain access to any file within the virtual environment even though he didn't have any codes, it seems to me that anybody could do the same. Therefore it would make sense for any classified data to not be in the virtual environment where anybody could access it. So what I want to know is, why didn't Mckay figure that out? Surely they aren't going to put classified info in a place where any Wraith can just waltz into, which means it would still have existed outside, in the real Aurora. Which means they lost a good chance to get a Wraith tech weakness
On the bright side, this episode kicked ass, since I don't care if episodes advance the main storyline since we're only in season 2
Posted by: Andorian15 Sep 25th 2005, 10:37 AM
Sorry, but you can't download episodes here, and were not allowed to talk about where you can. There are a lot of legal issues that have to be resolved, so Arcady just wants us to avoid the subject. http://www.sg1archive.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=868
Something just occured to me, if Mckay was new to Aurora and he could gain access to any file within the virtual environment even though he didn't have any codes, it seems to me that anybody could do the same. Therefore it would make sense for any classified data to not be in the virtual environment where anybody could access it. So what I want to know is, why didn't Mckay figure that out? Surely they aren't going to put classified info in a place where any Wraith can just waltz into, which means it would still have existed outside, in the real Aurora. Which means they lost a good chance to get a Wraith tech weakness
For a while I thought that too, but then it occured to me that they didn't know about it until inside the reality* and didn't realize they couldn't access it untill the ship was about to blow itself to pieces. After all, I dont see how Mckay could know that the ancients who discovered it, wouldnt know their own discovery from when it really happened. It was their minds in the first place. So they didn't have much of a chance to figure out that it still existed in the regular reality. Besides, the ship was ripped apart, not all the info could have survived.
Posted by: seymour Sep 25th 2005, 12:23 PM
Reminded me somewhat of Avatar (SG-1, 806) but had an interesting take on the VR world.
I really wish Sci-Fi's promos hadn't revealed which crew member was a Wraith since it killed any suspense.
Posted by: Samara Draven Sep 25th 2005, 5:11 PM
I just saw this episode and I laughed hysterically a few times, mostly due to Sheppard's and Rodney's interaction. I enjoyed it. Without the funnies it could've been more boring. Some of it I saw coming. Although I didn't mind it that much 'cause it made me feel like I'm smart or something.
Wait a minute! The Sci-fi promos showed the wraith? I don't remember seeing a wraith in the promos. They just made it sound like the whole team was trapped in an alternate reality.
Posted by: Mental Case Sep 25th 2005, 6:46 PM
If I was part of an advanced race and working on designing those ships, I couldn't care less about looks, but more about functionality.
Looks are not equal to technology. Of course it is "cool" to have them looking nice, but I see no reason why looks and technology should collerate. Plus while I hate to perpetuate stereotypes it'd probably be fairly geeky people working on those levels of tech and they aren't known for their keen sense of style.
Also it was basically a derelict, expect more cool looking ships if we ever see a fully working one
.Posted by: hobo_joe20 Sep 25th 2005, 6:52 PM
Since this is the episode discussion, you don't need to add spoiler tags around discussion about this episode.
It was never mentioned if that one room had lifesupport or not. My guess would be that it had. Therefore the Wraith would have been able to install its devices before the Atlantis team got there. As for Teyla detecting it, it could have had something to do with the electromagnetic disturbence from the pods. We can't be certain of their effect on her abilities to detect other wraith.
Posted by: seymour Sep 25th 2005, 7:44 PM
yep. the promos I saw showed the "hot" female ancient shift into an Wraith creature and make that snarling Wraith sound.
The promo voiceover suggested the episode was set in an alternate reality and made it seem (inaccurately) that in this alternate reality there were half-ancient/halfWraith creatures walking around on the ship. So I knew there was a Wraith on board the Ancient ship before Teyla found the Wraith in the chamber.
As I said the promo killed the episode for me.
Posted by: startreksuite Sep 25th 2005, 8:32 PM
Good episode! It was cool that they were able to find some "living" ancients to talk to, and see what kind of technology their ship had. It was neat how Rodney and John found a way to talk to these people, and that one of the ancients was actually a wraith in disguise. Was this possible because the wraith have the ability to manipulate minds, or that it went into a pod that an ancient/alterran was previously in. And what is the the wraith weakness that was erased from the ship's database/harddrive? Hope these questions will be answered in the next season! 
Posted by: Circe Sep 25th 2005, 8:51 PM
I liked it..7/10. A lot of Shep and McKay always floats my boat. 
I didn?t have time to read the whole thread (Have to go to bed early on Sun...8:30 class on Mon morning) so forgive me if this has already been covered.
Ronan got on my nerves in this episode. He was a bit of a dick to Wier, getting up and just leaving her at the table like that. Not even an excuse me, just ?I?m leaving?. RUDE. 
Tayla was kind of funny in this episode?How she just stood there when she was supposed to be sending McKay in. I laughed. And I HATE Tayla, so that?s saying a lot.
I also didn?t like the outfit the first officer had on. Why do they always have to have the women on this show in reveling outfits. The male crew members on the Aurora were not in a plunging neck line, and I don?t think any of them were in a sleeveless get up either. I hope the writers decide to stop trying to scank up the show. I love X-Files as well 
, he and Wier should get it on. I think he is the type that likes a take charge lady, and she is dressed sensibly as well?any way time for bed now
Posted by: usmctech99 Sep 26th 2005, 12:20 AM
I don't think it was that revealing, the only skin you see is her arms and that little bit of neckline and chest, but no cleavage... although her uniform is form-fitting, so were a lot of the males' uniforms. But the other women in the crew did had sleeves, the 1st officer is the only one who didn't... and the neckline looks lower on her than on the other women. Maybe the Wraith changed her the uniform so it would be easier to control the Male ancients?
Pictures are always better... aside from the sleeves and neckline, it looks like a standard female uniform for that ship.
Posted by: youngjediboy Sep 26th 2005, 7:07 AM
I was thinking TRON more than The Matrix.
I know that SG-1 has always made the Ancients look like this incredible and omnipotent race... but I like how it's doing now showing that they were human just like we are, of course much much MUCH more advanced technologically but still human.
And typically the more you rely on technology the less you rely on human resources... which explains why most of the human form Ancient's we've seen so far seem to be pretty dumb.
Lastly, boy that 1st officer was hot! Seems like all of the female Ancients shown so far have been pretty darned hot!
Posted by: Ty_dA_maNn58 Sep 26th 2005, 11:54 AM
All in all, it was entertaining, but alas, doesn't seem to progress the storyline at all.
I agree fully with that statement I think its time they got a break and talekd to an ancient and got a little tip. I really think they should of walked away with something. Other then that comment, I think this episode was boring and predictable. the first time the chick refused to ley shepard see the captain, I knew what was goin on. I even geussed the right amount of wraith ships to come
Posted by: Samara Draven Sep 26th 2005, 12:35 PM
Pardon me. I had cut and pasted this comment from the original yet incorrect forum I had posted it in.
Oh how convenient that that one room had life support. Nope. I just think the writers overlooked it and hoped we would too.
While I do agree that she probably couldn't detect the wraith when he was in the pod, my point was; why didn't she detect him before he got in. Even after they thought they'd destroyed the dart, I still think she should've sensed him. He was close enough. Granted we don't know much about her ability but it seems that for the wraith to be able to communicate they have to have some decent range with that. Perhaps within a solar system. Sometimes she has demonstrated that she has a pretty good range. The writers haven't cleared it up specifically so I guess it will remain a grey area.
Posted by: unseen_shadow Sep 26th 2005, 6:25 PM
Your all asuming that he wasnt in the pod before the Daedalus arrived, the dart could have simply been his transportation.
Posted by: kukulkan Sep 26th 2005, 6:45 PM
I could not agree more with you. I was quite stumbled at first when I looked at it? "Is that really the Ancient ship?" I think the ship was **very heavily** broken when daedalus get there just like what they said at the beginning. But still, it looked awkward!
I watched this ep twice, just to confirm the above that I have mentioned. I have my sympathy to them. Overall, 9 out of 10.
Posted by: hobo_joe20 Sep 26th 2005, 7:12 PM
Actually we ARE assuming that he WAS in the pod before the Daedalus arrived. We are trying to figure out HOW he got into the pod with no lifesupport.
Another thought I have would be that the wraith was the one to turn OFF the lifesupport when they realized that the Daedalus approached, to slow down and searching of the ship.
Posted by: Circe Sep 26th 2005, 8:45 PM
Pictures are always better... aside from the sleeves and neckline, it looks like a standard female uniform for that ship.
It wasn?t just the first officer in the plunging neck line, the other lady crew members were also in plunging neck lines, although they were in full sleeves. Moreover, if there are standard uniforms the men and the women should be wearing the same ones. There is no need for them to have a plunging neckline, except for sex appeal, which is sorely misplaced in a military environment?IMO
And why is there only the need to control the male ancients?
Posted by: IndyJan Sep 27th 2005, 2:14 AM
As for the episode... Actually I didn't think of Gamekeeper. T'was more like... The Matrix!!
T'was pretty entertaining, despite being very Matrix-ish (and this I'm saying without having watched parts 2 & 3). "We take turns in saving each others' lives. This time it's my turn. You'll get to go next."
Okay I have to agree here. It struck me and my husband as very Matrix. My husband said it first, and I had to agree. It in no way reminded me of Gamekeeper. Gamekeeper, they couldn't get out because they thought it was real. In this one, Sheppard and McKay could get out at any time. They knew it was not real.
I felt so badly for the crew of the Aurora. They had thought that they were bringing something back to Atlantis that would save them. How sad to find out, it's 10,000 years too late.
This is the Mckay that I love and adore! He's so funny, and so hypocondriac about himself. He had to be the one to go into the pod, until Teyla pointed out, "if something went wrong, who would be the greater loss?" McKay, stops, thinks and says, "you're right, I shouldn't go." I love the looks between Shep and Teyla after that remark. And McKay's comments about saving each other's lives was a hoot.
Now if they can only figure out what weakness the Wraith have!
Posted by: Stargate Master Sep 28th 2005, 1:36 PM
Fantastic episode from Atlantis here. Imagine what the Aurora would have looked like when it was in it's prime?
It surprised me that the 1st officer was actually the Wraith, I thought it would have been some randon Male security officer. But, it was kind of obvious when she kept keeping Sheppard from seeing the Captain.
I think it would be actually very interesting to see the Wraith establish a foothold in our galaxy. That would be good for one crossover episode.
Overall though this episode would get a 9/10 from me!
Posted by: linda_lol Sep 29th 2005, 6:32 PM
9/10.
The graphics were fantastic. I loved the bright blue tone they used, it was beautiful. I liked their outfits too. Very good episode. Though sadly, I never got to see the whole entire episode for I was at work. Sucks to be me huh? Well, from the half hour I got to experience, it was pretty good, even though I had no idea in what was going on.
Posted by: Samara Draven Sep 29th 2005, 9:19 PM
The bright blue tone makes me think the first officer should've been shivering in her sleeveless outfit. I tend to associate pale blue with being bitterly cold and sterile. Their whole environment struck me as lacking warmth which I think is odd considering the warm tones of Atlantis. It was pretty to look at but I had to watch it covered in a blanket. What can I say? I'm weird. The ambience of environment affects me.
Posted by: stalker0 Oct 2nd 2005, 2:36 AM
I like them going back to the longer intro, I missed the full opening theme music:)
Posted by: Samara Draven Oct 3rd 2005, 1:34 PM
Yeah that did kind of suck. I miss the opening creds. At first, I thought TPTB didn't want to give away too much until a few episodes had aired but when the opener didn't come back; I became worried, so I'm really happy they've decided to go back to the full opening.
Posted by: Lagger Oct 4th 2005, 3:10 AM
i feel really sad after that one...
it almost made me cry 
one of the best ive ever seen from sga
Posted by: hobo_joe20 Oct 4th 2005, 3:17 AM
Actually it was Sci-Fi that cut the opening credits, not TPTB. Here in Canada, we have always had the full opening
. But for more info, check around for the one of a few threads that talk about it. As far as I have heard, the full intro will be back in the new year, for both SG-1 and SGA.
Posted by: Samara Draven Oct 4th 2005, 8:25 AM
Ok. It's official. It's not fair and I wanna move to Canada. I can't stand Bush anymore and my favorite network cut off my favorite shows intro. If not Canada, Australia, then. That would be nice- better even.
Posted by: fan_83 Oct 8th 2005, 7:12 PM
guys you seem to be missing some stuff......
the wraith found aurora a bit earlier before sga.. they had time to search through the whole program and figure out a way to configure their vr to suit their needs to upgrade their hyperdrive..
the wraiths deleted the important information, and thats with their lower level of tech.. meaning they had time to study it...so they were there for quite a while...
they were using aurora as a quiet place to learn new tech...
the scoutship could just be the one setting up the new thingie once they figured out that aurora has been recalled.... the wraith in the pod could have been there for some months....
Posted by: Lagger Oct 9th 2005, 4:24 AM
well their at the edge of ths system, and i doubt that Sga woulda immediatly set out there... hyperspace would take em some time.. etc..
if they had info on wraith weakness, wouldnt they be somewhere near the wraith..
the wraith in the pod couldnt have been in ther for ages since, mackay said it was recently installed...
mackay doesnt seem to need more than 2 minutes to hook into the system, so why couldnt a wraith take that amount of time, or less?
Posted by: Auntie Em! Oct 13th 2005, 2:11 AM
Lagger I do not think that the Wraith was in there to long. One thing that supports that thought is that the D destroyed the wraiths ship when it first encountered the Aurora.
Posted by: fan_83 Oct 14th 2005, 4:36 AM
lagger: its not the pod that was recently installed but the addon i think....
Posted by: Samara Draven Oct 14th 2005, 8:54 AM
It was the wraith gear stuck to the wall that was recently installed.
Posted by: Rin Daemoko Oct 15th 2005, 11:01 AM
Wraith iPod?
iPillage
Posted by: KANTON DUBBLE ACENDED Oct 29th 2005, 12:22 AM
What is it with the blue light in the VR? Is it supposed to add another layer of coolness to the series? (Pardon the pun - blue is a cool color, isn't it.) Well it worked much better than with the stupid new (full) opening credits.
the blue light was probably a baseic function of the ship . remember the arora lost a big ass batle to the wrath.
Posted by: Christy Nov 10th 2005, 1:37 AM
does that mean Canada have opening credits which has ronan and the cute-ass Dr. Beckett in them?
That is so awesome!
Anyhow, loved this episode, seemed to be a little iffy when i first heard of it but it is so cool now.
good ep to watch.
Posted by: Auntie Em! Nov 10th 2005, 9:03 AM
Yes we have had the full minute intro from the beginning of the season.
Posted by: Dafmeister Dec 14th 2005, 4:13 PM
A very good episode. McKay cracked me up, what with him saying Sheppard's reaction to powerful weapons was Pavlovian and saying that the first officer was hot, REALLY hot.
McKay is either incredibly lucky or incredibly good with a gun, being able to shoot a Wraith with quite a good degree of accuracy whilst running away and not looking at the Wraith.
Posted by: glom Dec 14th 2005, 4:21 PM
59% Kind of fun, but full of bull.
HEAVY-LIFTING OF THE WEEK: Okay, we get it. Voyager stole the plot of 'Beneath the Surface' for a sweeps episode. That doesn't mean you have to steal all of Voyager's good episodes. This is a rip of 'The Thaw', an uncharacterically cool episode. The bit where McKay made some subtle alterations was reminiscent of Janeway's rewriting of the Holonovel-gone-awry TM for Tuvok and Paris's benefit in 'Worst Case Scenario'. It also ringed of the Thor-like jail break in 'Revelations' of SG1.
LAUGH-LINE OF THE WEEK: "Make sure the equations are entered in the correct sequence." Classic Trekkist trying to sound intelligent with a dumb line.
DUMBASS OF THE WEEK: McKay seemed quite thick in this episode. He tried to disconnect a Wraith from the simulation without thinking he might be quite annoyed upon waking up and then proceeded to work on his laptop with his back to the door. He also seemed to do his utmost to keep the simulation going for as long as possible such as refusing to remove Shepherd based on paranoid fears about Wraith booby traps and failing to tell Shepherd important information that might have persuaded him to cut the expedition short.
NEW TECHNOLOGY OF THE WEEK: McKay was able to know enough about the program to do the Thor-like jail break yet couldn't simply extract the information they needed from the outside.
GOOD SHOT OF THE WEEK: McKay fires at random while running away from the Wraith and manages to hit the area around his pod at each turn.
CLICHE AVOIDED OF THE WEEK: Thank the Ori they didn't trot out the old "We can't get out of the simulation" routine that was done in SG1 'The Gamekeeper', 'Avatar', in Voyager 'The Thaw' and just about every holodeck episode... in any series... ever!, and of course The Matrix.
NON-MISFIT OF THE WEEK: For two weeks in a row, Ronan has been likeable. His interaction with Teyla was quite good.
MYSTERY OF THE WEEK: So what was the stasis all about anyway?
RETURN TO EARTH OF THE WEEK: Skin head Ancients? If those scenes weren't so white, I could have sworn I was watching Red Dwarf.
Posted by: Andygod90 Dec 14th 2005, 4:51 PM
dude you're being quite hard on the episode, though everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
i thought the ep was class. At least when we first saw the aurora it wasnt the stereotypical extremely advanced race type. in fact i actually prefer the way the aurora looked kinda bad ass lol
teylas quick thinking was nicely done. also mckay is quickly becoming my favourite character over every episode his comments are just so quirky and unthought of ( i dont think he realises he says half the remarks). the banter between shep and rodney never ceases to amuse me
10/10 amazing episode
Posted by: Parmenides Dec 14th 2005, 5:50 PM
I liked this episode.
That's all I'm going to say on the subject.
(...positively, that is!)
General Complaints:
The Wraith 'weakness' - correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that information 10,000 years out of date? Surely they must have advanced even just a little in that time, even if the majority of the population was in hibernation? Of course, the Wraith double-agent deleting the communique does seem to suggest that it was still relevant...but why?
The Aurora - I really dislike seeing huge ships on screen. They're too huge, so you can't take everything in - to me, it just looks like a big hunk o' crap. I'm still not entirely sure what the Daedalus looks like! The only ship I'm pretty confident about visually is the Prometheus, and that's because it's surface is pretty uniform/smooth. Aside from that, the ship itself didn't look particularly advanced, I was expecting something sleeker. Sure, it was heavily damaged and has been adrift for 10,000 years, but you could sort of tell that it had always been sort of...bitty and clunky...if those words mean anything! 
The interior was to my liking, however!
The Ancients - man, those Ancients were tools (see next point). They seemed even more ignorant than other (supposedly less advanced) star crews, like Voyager and Enterprise. Don't even get me started on the uniforms...they seemed so antequated, nothing compared to the streamline outfits from past episodes like Before I Sleep.
Captain Ancient - man, that Captain Ancient was a tool. He seemed generally good-hearted, but he seemed to be totally whipped by 1st Officer McWraith - she was basically getting him to jump through hoops, ordering them around as if she were the Captain, not him.
Exiting VR (or VE? ;)) land - was I the only one who expected Samara to pop up and crawl out of the TV screen whenever the static effect flashed as someone left the simulation? *snicker*
Caldwell - what a one-dimensional ass. Human antagonists never sit well with me...and not in the way they're supposed to, either.
The Toast - while poignant, I felt the end scene reaked of cheese. I liked how they took a moment to remember the crew, but it could've been handled in a much more refined way, IMO.
And that's that!
Posted by: togar Dec 15th 2005, 2:37 AM
it was a good episode, except, my natural ability to nitpick kicked in near the beginning, is it just me, or did they not have airtanks when they were in the space suits? i have the episode recorded and watched that part again, but still didnt see any tanks
Posted by: Auntie Em! Dec 15th 2005, 5:02 AM
Those hazard suits recirculate external air and puts it through a filter. It does not create air out of a vacuum so good nitpick there Togar!
Love that. I think I will use it now. "Thank the Orii"! People will think I am crazy. Just how I prefer them to think of me.
Posted by: fareplay Dec 15th 2005, 9:47 AM
I liked this episiode but i have one question how is it that ancients age in stasis pods?
the asgard are much less sophisticated than ancinents yet they dont age in their pods (i am referring to the episode in sg1 where thor gets captured by anubus i think it was called revalations)
i would be grateful if any one can answer this question
Posted by: Auntie Em! Dec 15th 2005, 3:19 PM
It does not stop metabolism. So you not frozen in place you are actually in a deep sleep with a very very slow heart rate and metabolim. So you still age just very slowly.
Posted by: Dafmeister Dec 15th 2005, 3:23 PM
That doesnt explain why Ayanna was able to survive several million yearsin stasis in 'Frozen'.
The units we saw on the Aurora didnt seem to freeze the user. The others we have seen (in 'Before I Sleep', The Lost City' and 'Prototype') all froze the occupant.
Posted by: togar Dec 15th 2005, 4:01 PM
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i thought there was no external air, since there was no life support?
Posted by: Dafmeister Dec 15th 2005, 4:37 PM
That is what Em is pointing out. The bio hazard suits could recirculate air because there as no atmosphere, hence why she said good nitpick.
Posted by: togar Dec 16th 2005, 3:00 AM
oh ok, i thought she was saying that there was air on the ship to recirculate through the suits how was there gravity on the ship if there was no life support?
Posted by: Saffron Dec 30th 2005, 12:28 PM
I loved Rodneys face. "OH sh*t!" He is so cute even as he runs with his tail bewteen his legs as he blindly fires at the wraith. At least he didn't release the clip this time. :D
That was TOO funny, blindly firing while running away.
I did tear up a bit at the end when they toasted the crew. I'm WAY too sentimental. And it was so obvious that the Wraith was the blonde but why did I keep hoping to be surprised with the revelation that it was actually the captain?
Posted by: cdpage Aug 25th 2006, 10:52 PM
now that was an intence EP.
i very much enjoyed that one...I often find VR(or virtual enviroment) EPs to be laking... this was didn't miss a beat!
10/10
Posted by: Heru-ER Sep 9th 2006, 7:55 PM
I love this episode it was ANCIENT MATRIX great, but very bad they could not save any ANCIENT cuz their bodies were 10000 years old
Posted by: Rooster Apr 2nd 2007, 7:27 PM
very good episode. gave another look at how the ancients operated. dissapointing not to be able to obtain the information but just knowing theres a a weakness in the wraith thats significant is motivating for the team. Someones got to train poor old rodney up with a gun. Pretty funny though. Champagne toast at the end was good in rememeberance of there fight.
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