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Posted by: Arcady Jan 19th 2006, 7:02 PM

Season 2, Episode 20 - Allies

Air Dates:
CA: Jan. 30, 8 PM (TMN)
US: Mar. 10, 9 PM (Sci Fi Channel)
UK: Mar. 15, 8 PM (Sky One)

Atlantis joins forces with a Wraith faction led by Michael, the Wraith they tried to turn into a human, who seeks their help in destroying their common enemies.

http://www.sg1archive.com/atlantis/s2.shtml#220 | http://www.sg1archive.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=12817 | http://www.sg1archive.com/teasers/a220.html

(This topic is for people who have seen the episode to discuss it. If you don't want to be spoiled, don't read this topic.)

Posted by: Radagast Jan 30th 2006, 8:45 PM

All I can say is... OMG!!!

But seriously only two hive ships against all of Earth?

Also it appears the Orion is MUCH bigger than I thought after the last episode....

Posted by: tuna Jan 30th 2006, 8:55 PM

AWWWWWW
I can't wait......

Nice episode, cant wait to see what they'll do or who they'll call.

hmmm maybe the ori can help them....

nah to extreme

although im really curious to see what will happen

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jan 30th 2006, 8:57 PM

HOLEY sh*t! fu**ing awesome episode!

Good F302 scenes. Solid show from start to finish. Best of the year! DAMN now we have to wait until August to see the conclusion! AKKKKK!

So now the wraith have the information needed to correct their ships to make the hyperspeed jump to earth and also where infact earth is. I wonder what it was that McKay put into the wraith ship. He said he left something in the programming incase it is needed when he was fixing the wraith ship.

They said they had the wraith program isolated in non networking firewall protected areas so how did it worm hole its way out into the network to upload the Aurora and the location of every single populated planet? I can see it breaking through a firewall but if the area it was in was not networked it could not have found the information.

Also seriously WTF was she thinking? There must have been a back program or plan that we the viewers were not aware of in case the Wraith tried to double cross them.

CGI was outstanding. Great job. Nice to see the Big D in battle with the wraith ships and that the F302's finally got involved.

So the Orion is ready. Almost. Just needs the drones to work but everything else is a go. I guess the Orion is going to follow the wraith ships back to Earth. Also I wonder where Shep went to. His F302 disappeared during the battle with the two wraith ships. I bet he flew into the wraith ship to try and save McKay. Or maybe he went to the Orion. Who knows.

Its going to be a hard wait for August and S3 to start!

Posted by: Radagast Jan 30th 2006, 8:58 PM

Actually upon further consideration it isn't a whole lot different from the cliffhanger at the end of SG1 season 1... Although back then Apophis didn't know they were on the ship.

I wonder how many F302's have been built and are stationed on Earth? Lots I bet.

Maybe we get to see an Azgard ship fight the Wraith?

Maybe a joint Atlantis-SG1 episode?

Hmmm...

When IS the next episode anyway?

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jan 30th 2006, 9:03 PM

What do you mean what is the next episode? There is none. That is it!

Posted by: Radagast Jan 30th 2006, 10:29 PM

My brother brought up the point that the Wraith likely don't know how well Earth is defended.

Still I don't see how two hive ships will have even the slightest chance... The Prometheus and any other ships we may have, F-302's, the Drones, plus if we need them maybe Jaffa or Azgard... ouchy to the Wraith.

For me right now it's more of a cliffhanger on "how the heck will the writers make it interesting - what tricks are up their sleeves?" moreso than "oh no whatever shall earth do."

Posted by: Atlantians Jan 30th 2006, 11:06 PM

The Prometheus and Daedalus class ships can't do anything to the Wraith. They will just pummle the ships and destroy them.

This is because our ships don't have weapons which can harm the Wraith Hive ships.

Now the Squidies from the Orion on the other hand....

Posted by: mrnobody Jan 31st 2006, 3:33 AM

it would be surprising that the wraith would come into SG1's storyline, considering that they already have one bad guy to fight (which are the ori). but if the wriath do apear it will be in season 10 of stargate sg1. im betting that the two hive ships wont even make it to the milky way. the orion will kick its but before that happens. also i noticed for the first time how small the deadulas is compared to the hive ships and the orion is huge so it will be a good stand off between a hive ship and the orion.

ps does anyone know if they have started writing scripts for season 3 of SGA, and where would one go to see some spoilers and such of this

Posted by: Lagger Jan 31st 2006, 4:40 AM

and how the hell are they going to get to earth?? taking what?? 200 years??

they only took two bits of info...

location of planets, and teh aurora mission files??

nothing to modify the hyperdrive (unless of course rodney ... ummm.. whilst being interrogated gives everything up...)

i thought fighting scenes were good...

but the fact is that atlantis still hasnt learnt about wraith virus's ceases to amaze me......

i reckon earth ships make tonnes of noise/fireworks and is very distracting, but does little more than that

shoulda taken the orion and pulverised their arses when they betrayed SGA

Posted by: Subfer Jan 31st 2006, 6:42 AM

Omg i have to say the best episode ever

But seriously what can 2 wraith hive ship do. Nothing If they send alll of our ship F302s, Prometheus, Dedalus Orion, Odyssey and maybe few Jaffa ships like Hatak, Alkesh, Gliders they dont stand a chance. Earth have powerfull shield so do Jaffas. All that togheter is a lots of fire power and remember Hives dont have shield and the only reason that rockets couldnt reach hives is because the darts have intersepted the rockets so now the question is if they can intersept all that fire?

Posted by: graba Jan 31st 2006, 6:59 AM

well in earth galaxy we are not the onlyones who have ships the Azgard they woulnt help cus they are ageinst of fighting as we all know that but jaffa have loads of ships and they are friends with earth now to so the wraith have no chance if they come here the deadalus was made one year after the prometheus and it looked that they made it with one year so they can build new ones cus thats what we do we build more more and more ships war ships the us way like they build guns and weapons air force is building airplanes so if they build airplanes and have the technology of building war ships what flies to a nother galaxy then they will build them to much they can

damn i hate when they do that let us w8 so damn lond with the two part episodes but this was gr8 episode like one before that

i hope u guys understand what i mean cus my eng is not that good

Posted by: tykkimies Jan 31st 2006, 7:16 AM

I think Wraith plan sucks ones they get to Earth there are atleast Prometheus, 20 Ha'taks and few Asgard ships waiting. But how many Hives are actually on they way??.. Great Episode Hopefully they won't pass throught Ori galaxy

Posted by: Subfer Jan 31st 2006, 7:50 AM

AS long as i know there are only 2 hives on way of course its posible that they contacted other hive ships but i think they didnt because then they would have to share the food perhaps they called 2 more or so that they would be 5 hives total.
But still they dont stand a chance aganist shielded ships. They could even win this without asgard help easly


Of course the problem is if the go to another planet not earth where they could make a stronghold and use stargates to scout the galaxy and probably gain some better tehnology.

Posted by: Xephyrise Jan 31st 2006, 8:34 AM

I dont think Earth will find the fight easy, but im thinking that its more likely that the Orion is gonna catch the Wraith ships before they reach Earth, possibly even with Sheppard on board, although it would be much more fun if he were indeed on one of the Hive ships, either as a captive or trying to free Mckay and Ronan.

Posted by: DADDA Jan 31st 2006, 8:43 AM

Hi, everyone


Iam wondering when do we see the next season and the episode following Allies?

I belive it will take 3 mouths or so, but I would like to now the exact date when it is aired.
Both in USA and Canada would be great!


I need to put a time and date in my calender, so Iam prepared...


But I do still not beleave that the wraith are heading for Earth, what a missurable misstake...

It would be good to see a other spices then 'The Asgard' saveing them. It would be great if someone like 'Dr Wier' is a furling and has a fuling Battleship to fight the 'Wraith' Hive ships.

It would be a great turn of the story line, would it not?

Posted by: Halb Jan 31st 2006, 9:12 AM

Sounds like a '24' twist to me.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jan 31st 2006, 9:27 AM

S3 starts usually in August.

They said they were going to earth. The wraith told McKay that the ship was on the way to Earth.

That is not the only thing they just did not take the Aurora mission records they took EVERYTHING pertaining to the Aurora mission. Everything they learned about the statis pods, hyperdrive....everything. It was all the wraith needed to get hyperdrive technology. They were close already. This just pushed them over the top.

Posted by: Radagast Jan 31st 2006, 9:33 AM

I considered that they might actually not have the full hyperdrive yet and might be hoping McKay will fix it for them. That would take some twisting of the plot though!

I'm guessing Sheppard is on board the hive ship - in fact I'm pretty sure that was his intention the whole time.

Did anyone else notice how actually puny the Wraith weapons are? They had several seconds of direct fire against the D with shields down and while causing a fair bit of damage did not destroy it.

I'm sure the D has trinium-alloy armour but still... Those Hive ships have guns that can wreck another Hive ship in fairly short order....

Surely ONE of the Atlantis team backed up the wraith data to some form of permanent media like a DVD or something?! So they can reinstall it but isolate the virus and still have all that data?

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jan 31st 2006, 9:43 AM

Euuuuuu Radagast you could be very right. They may have been trying to psych out McKay and the viewers. Maybe they do not have the capabilities to go to earth at all. Never thought of that. Good ideal!

Posted by: Man Jan 31st 2006, 9:44 AM

Ok until I re-watch this episode (which I am soo gonna do soon) I can't be sure of anything but....
It seems to me that currently the wraith hive ships are not going to Earth, they have no way of doing so I can't see how it is possible to just upgrade the hyperdrive like that it would need a completly new one.......

However they quite possibly know where the Orion is, and it is currently not manned (or fairly empty) and no way of defending itself as the drone system was not online. The Orion also has a hyperdrive that is capable of travelling to Earth, so what bets are that they pinch that. Either that or the other hive ship already did. So does this mean only one ship will be traveling to Earth, and if it is the Orion with its drones/shields occupied by the wraith..... well Earth will be in trouble.

However the writers have not proven themselves to be all that smart, and my belief is that they are going to claim that the wraith upgraded their hyperdrive in less than a day from the info gathered from the orion and are now on their way to Earth, boring and so unbelievable in my opinion. What would be more interesting is that if Rodneys modifications to the wraith hive ship allowed them to directly integrate the Orions hyperdrive into hiveship, and that that ship is currently towing the other hiveship to Earth, like Thor did to the promie in SG1's Unnatural Selection. Again not likely.

I too would like to know WHY the data the wraith sent to Atlantis was allowed to reside on computers that had information that we would never want the wraith to find out.

OH OH OH, Mckay and Hermoid (or however you spell it), those two go together so well, Rodey thinking he is smarter than an asgard, priceless. Ronan is really annoying, all he does is growl and get angry then try and kill some wraith only to reluctly let go.... over and over again, in every episode BORING. hehe Urgo, I loved Urgo *try the paddles*... ok back to Atlantis.

Now we are left at the end of the episode thinking.."What happened to Sheppard" just like last season.. is this going to be a growing trend??? Anyway the 302's quite possibly have hyperdrives, however they are not capable of traveling all that far, but could he of gone to the Orion? The instability problems with the naquadria were in some part solved for the prommie (barring a collapsing star), so could be quite possible. Also there is a possibility that the hyperdrive in the 302 (if it has one) is better than the wraiths, remember that there was nothing to suggest that the hyperdrive in the prommie required multiple hops to get to other planets, that was only when fitted with a hyperdrive from a smaller goa'uld ship not the naqudria generator hyperdrive.

I would love for the Ori to meet with the wraith (well a prior atleast), however that would be highly unlikely. But it would be great if there still was a cross between SG1 and Atlantis, and the wraith do make it to Earth.

Edit: Ok it seems the only got info on the Aurora, so good chance they don't yet know about the Orion. Now what info on the Aurora do we have that they want? I hardly believe we have detailed specs on its hyperdrive technology, if thats what they wanted why not take it from the Atlantis city's information on its own hyperdrive?

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jan 31st 2006, 9:50 AM

F302 do not have hyperdrives.

The wraith do not know about the Orion. They have no clue it even exists. Let alone where it is.

Posted by: Subfer Jan 31st 2006, 10:05 AM

Yes i agree the orion wont come to wraith hands but probably they wont be able to use it to destroy the hives on way to easy


But as far as i know the x302 has hiperdrive they never said they stop building it for it and we know the first prototype had one

Shepard was probably caught in hiperdrive window of a hive ship and just took a ride with it he probably wouldnt be able to track hive ship on his own

Posted by: Wolf76 Jan 31st 2006, 10:43 AM

Hi!

I'm new here and this is my first post. I just wanted to say that this was an amazing episode! But just to add to the hyperdrive -discussion: In the previous episode Weir said (when talking with Sheppard in her office about Orion) that Rodney should have the technical specs from the Aurora mission and that Rodney should take a look at Orion... so I think it would be natural to assume that the technical specs could include the hyperdrive.... not sure but always a possibility. But I agree that the hive ships won't make it to Earth, because the writers have been saying for the last fwe years that Atlantis and SG-1 will be two different series and that some characters may cross over in a couple of episodes and that's it....

But I can't wait for the conclusion.....

Posted by: Proton911 Jan 31st 2006, 11:12 AM

Great episode!

Posted by: Man Jan 31st 2006, 11:16 AM

The Aurora did not have an intergalactic hyperdrive, it was not capable of flying to Earth. The wraith that was hooked up to the Aurora tricked the Ancients into upgrading the hyperdrive to an intergalactic one, however they were in a virtual invironment and could not possibly physically upgrade the hyperdrive. During the episode there was also no indication that Mccay even thought about downloading data from the VI, he was more concerned about getting Shep out before being blown up/the data on the wraiths weakness. Also to try and get the data on the wraiths technological weakness he was required to be inside the VI.. so it doesn't seem all that likely that he could have the information on what was being planned to upgrade the hyperdrive.

Posted by: UNSRM Jan 31st 2006, 11:48 AM

Prospect of a crossover is very cool. I'd love to see how Go'auld/Asguard/Earth stuff does against Hive ships. Can somebody tell who to do the click here for spoilers thing, please?

Posted by: Cha'Lok Jan 31st 2006, 12:17 PM

Good stuff.

Two hive ships would totally obliterate the prometheus and a few D class ships. Did you not notice the size differences? Prometheus - Hive ship is like row boat - oil tanker. The deadulus went down to 60% shields pretty quick and as far as we know there wasn't any substantial damage to the hives.

I do think they are on the way to earth with upgraded engines but even then it will take weeks at the least. I'm not so sure they will reach earth, perhaps they are intercepted but I wonder if interception is possible in hyperspace. Also, I thought they had to stop to feed?

The F302-thing by sheppard was kind of disappointing, why the hell would you take on a hive ship with a few F302's? Sounds pretty suicidal to me.

Posted by: mpmorph Jan 31st 2006, 12:59 PM

Awesome episode!!!!!

Posiblities endless

I mean what if the Wraith turn the retro virus into a virus to transform humans into Wraith. Turning Mckay into one of them? Giving them all the knowledge they need.

sh*t!!!! what if Ford is in the Hive ship?

The Orion was not finished and without mckay to fix.

Like someone said this could be a solo mission of two hive ships but then again they know that they are no match for atlantis and the deadalist alone, What chance due they have against a whole galaxy they don't know of? I know the Asgard have a no fighting policy but like the replicators the wraith are as bad. They have to fight!...But then again there would be no plot if no tension is developed....god.....can't wait.....

Awwww... man I can't wait!!!!


Oh yeah this first post by the way, sorry for all the ackward bable I wrote!!!

Posted by: stargate loyal fan Jan 31st 2006, 1:00 PM

Posted by: CrazySac Jan 31st 2006, 1:09 PM

Interesting Episode but doubt there will be a crossover considering both teams of writers have been pushing to keep the stories lines completly seperate.

Graba I don't know where you get this Asgard is against viloence stuff? The Asgard aren't the Nox who are truely pacifist species. Asgard only gave us defensive weapons so they couldn't be used against there own ships. Also only reason you didn't see them fight often cause they were busy getting bent over by the replicators for majority of the seasons in sg1.

It's about damn time we see some 302 action even though it wasen't much. What they needed to do was have atlantis computers claim ori space is where earth is. I still don't get the entire concept of how the virus found its way around to other computers when they weren't networked. A misshap like that in the BSG universe would have killed the battlestar a long time ago.

Like others I never noticed how small the big D was compared to hive ships it may have to become the lil D.
Almost looked as though the Big D could prolly fit in a dart bay on the hive ship. I still don't quit understand how rail guns can penatrate hive sheilds but yet a nuclear warhead can't being fired? are they suppose to be like Gou'ald personal sheilds where bullets couldn't get by but a knife being thrown can make it.

Posted by: Subfer Jan 31st 2006, 1:34 PM

first the hive ships dont have any kind of shield as far as w e know but the only reason that rockets with nuclear warheads couldn get to hive is because they are intercepted by darts - there are like hundreds of darts all around the hive that intercept all the rockets and we know that rockets are not very fast perhaps 10M max and are easly intercepted by a dart but on the otherhand a energy based weapon (strong enough-hatack, alkesh or some asgard) would probably destroy the hive with a few shots
The deadalus because of lack of such weapon came up with idea of beeming the nuclear warheads directly on hives of course the wraith found a countermesaure soon. i gues if they cant beem the warheads directly on hives they could try beeming them near the hive like 50m or so from hive. And if they use the naqadah inheanced nuclear bomb (perhaps gatebusters) im sure that would take out the hive ship(if it changed the whole planet to superheated plazma)

The railguns on dedalus are probably just too smal to do any bigger damage they can fight off the darts but a ship as massive as the hive isnt damage at all or very little its like fireing a arrow against the wall made of solid concrete

Posted by: youngjediboy Jan 31st 2006, 2:31 PM

I'm putting my money on the Wraith stopping by a planet at the edge of our galaxy to feed. Then we find out they're Ori followers so the Ori goes there and beats the crap out of the Wraith for feeding on their followers.

Oh and what would happen if a Wraith tries to feed on an Asgard or a Gouald?

Posted by: Bignes Jan 31st 2006, 2:36 PM

Check out the season 3 rumours on http://www.gateworld.net/atlantis/s3/index.shtml

The next part is called no-mans land, and a recurring wraith charachter will be in season 3!

Anyone notice how michael walked away in disgust as the newley humaned wraith wes fed upon??

Would love to see the SG-1 battling the ori and then 2 hive ships come and make it a 3way

Posted by: Cha'Lok Jan 31st 2006, 2:59 PM

Maybe Michael goes soft and decides to help us? It's possible.

Posted by: MYT Jan 31st 2006, 5:35 PM

I think you all seem to think earth is incapable of defending itself ! sure atlantis now has a whole new stash of drones, and a zpm to spare if im right. So antartica might have another role if the hive ships do reach earth

Then besieds that the asgard had an understanding with the goa'uld, that earth and countless other planets were in a treaty protected by them. I dont actually know tho if this includes all hostile races or just the goa'uld.

And as to the ori ships we will/should be seeing should be comparable to the anchients since theyre half brother off each other, same sorta capabilities etc etc.

But on the upside, mckay knows that the hive ships are mainly organic, so once mckay gets pestered enough, he shits his pants, and somehow the organic material breaks down infront of him. so he and hermoid get to fight again some day.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jan 31st 2006, 6:01 PM

QUOTE(Wolf76 @ Jan 31st 2006, 10:43 AM)

Posted by: Lagger Jan 31st 2006, 6:52 PM

hmmph..

yeah.....

Michael seem to be quite upset with the feeding of the wraith turned human... he did say being human, gave him an insight into what its like being human... therefore his perceptions should be different?

maybe he frees ronan+ mackay...

and their able together with ... sheps... somehow blow the hives up, and make a run for home

Posted by: Radagast Jan 31st 2006, 7:12 PM

QUOTE(Cha'Lok @ Jan 31st 2006, 12:17 PM)

Posted by: Atlantians Jan 31st 2006, 9:33 PM

Did they disable the Daedalus?

Is it possible that the Wraith were not trying to destroy it... but disable it?

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Jan 31st 2006, 9:34 PM

My opinion on this episode: FANTASTIC. I thought it was well layed out, and sets us up nicely for a new season. I loved MacKay's bickering with the Asgard, and how his overconfidence got the best of him. Ronin, as kick-ass as ever, though once again Teyla had almost no point in this series. I think it's almost best to kill her off, as it's slowing them down to a degree. they tried to show Sheppard's concern for her, and then never went back to it.

Oh, and other thing: how do you get something to an un-networked drive over a network, and then set up a firewall for it? Seems a little confusing to me. Though at least they mentioned the firewall for later reasons. Still ...

Overall, great episode and now I can't wait till the summer ... AGAIN.

and now my responses to some of the other posts:

QUOTE(DADDA @ Jan 31st 2006, 8:43 AM)

QUOTE(Subfer @ Jan 31st 2006, 10:05 AM)

QUOTE(stargate loyal fan @ Jan 31st 2006, 1:00 PM)

QUOTE(Radagast @ Jan 31st 2006, 7:12 PM)

Posted by: ziostilon Feb 1st 2006, 12:42 AM

Loved the episode, not much more to say. Finally some 302 action, have been waiting that for a long time. Ever since the writers said there would be some 302 action at the beginning of the season, while they did have a little action in "Intruder", but that wasn't much. And finally some at the end of the season. I'd like to say thanks to the writers, cause I recommended that they should have some more 302 action and gun fights. And they had both of them, some in Allies and they had a gun fight in Stronghold.

So my expression when I saw this scene:(look below) Was OMG that's incredible, a big thanks to the CGI guys. You made my dream come true. When they said they were escorting the dart to Atlantis, I thought it was definetly the jumpers that would be coming in with the dart and not the 302s. That was incredible


And check out this pic Real nice



Now check this out, the range of the missles of the 302s in action.






Just see the explosion on the right rear side of the HIVE

Next Topic: Size of the HIVE

This is the HIVE that was orbiting right outside Atlantis' planet while sending a dart down to Atlantis.

Next Topic: Where Sheppard could've went
Here's a pic for those who want to speculate and know inside and out of a HIVE

The arrow points to where Sheppard's 302 is.

Last but not least, the argument about how the virus got into the Atlantis' network. But I have to say they were just careless and lazy. They didn't use their brains.
Listen to this:
You got to download it though
http://s26.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0I7OIX1AQM8J43BFUQ1GAVTZ70

Posted by: Ben64 Feb 1st 2006, 1:48 AM

http://www.ben64.com/random_junk/sg1archive/220/




Sweet ep!

Posted by: Auntie Em! Feb 1st 2006, 2:57 AM

Ok two things. I just rewatched the episode and noticed two things.

1) Ziostilon. The F302 missiles never touched the ships. They were destroyed prior to reaching the hives by some kind of counter measures. Just noticed that this time around.

2) When the wraiths send down the second data burst unlike the first time when Weir specifically stated she wanted a non-networking, firewall protected system, with the second one McKay in his exuberance at getting the hive ship information cut Weir off as she was about to say it again and said "Yeah, yeah we're protected by firewalls." No mention that time of the non-networking storage. McKay let them into the systems. The firewalls were obviously not enough.

Posted by: Lagger Feb 1st 2006, 3:06 AM

QUOTE(Auntie Em! @ Feb 1st 2006, 5:57 PM)

Posted by: Auntie Em! Feb 1st 2006, 3:21 AM

He does say that. He is trying to go in to hit the Hive ship with missiles to take out their hyperdrives. He tells the other F302 to keep the darts off his 6 so he can do that.

Posted by: expert01 Feb 1st 2006, 3:30 AM

Here's how I view all this (haven't found a torrent for SGAS2E20)... Supposedly SG1 goes looking for Camelot for a super weapon (not spoiler, rumor). Well, who's to say they won't find a ZPM or two? First ZPM is going to Earth, to power the Stargate for transport to Pegasus, and to power the Antarctic base (after Atlantis sends them some more drones). Since the stargate and base need to run off the same power source, I imagine that they would move the stargate to the Antarctic base (militarily wise, since there's thousands of miles of snow for new virii to infect and villains to slip away to populated areas, and it's in an international area).

The next ZPM that gets found would go to Atlantis to help power shields and weapons. The third, I imagine, would go to the Atlantis sister ship they found a few episodes back, and they could start unearthing it, repairing it, and using it as an Alpha Base. It's a perfect alpha site since it's avoided by the Wraith, it's a copy of Atlantis (although in disrepair), and it might have an interstellar gate.

As for what they do, I would say the wraith could use the Aurora mission logs to find a planet with a ship that has interstellar capabilities, or at least information on it. A normal hyperdrive can be converted to interstellar, as shown by the Aurora episode.

If there's any inter-series mingling, I imagine it would involve the Wraith making it to Earth, the Orion being repaired by Zolenka and being sent to Earth with the Daedelus (and maybe Atlantis, if they go steal two more ZPM's), the Ori being lured to earth, Baal teaming up with Earth and the Jafai against the Ori, and the Asgard getting involved as well (since the Ori are more advanced than the Ancient's). Big big battle, probably be figured out by the super weapon that SG-1 is looking for.

Posted by: youngjediboy Feb 1st 2006, 3:45 AM

Anyone also thinking that the Wraith chick would be pretty damned hot if she was humanized?

Posted by: Subfer Feb 1st 2006, 4:26 AM

QUOTE(youngjediboy @ Feb 1st 2006, 9:45 AM)

Anyone also thinking that the Wraith chick would be pretty damned hot if she was humanized?

Posted by: Jade Feb 1st 2006, 5:42 AM

the whole time Wraith were in Atlantis, I keep yelling in my head, don't trust them don't trust them!!!!!!
I hate to be right.

Will be interesting to see next season how they gonna end this story. One thing for sure, the Wraith ship won't make it to Earth They have the Ori, they don't need to worry about Wraith as well.
(Unless the Wraith start to feed on the Prior, then that would be fun)!

I think Sheppard will save the day!

Posted by: Tonten Feb 1st 2006, 6:04 AM

QUOTE(Jade @ Feb 1st 2006, 2:42 AM)

Posted by: dr_n_tesla Feb 1st 2006, 6:48 AM

Zelenka and his tech team were pouring over the Wraith Hive tech & specs on "Terminals" ie networked computers leeching info from a central source. Couple that with the fact that at the end of the episode he tells Weir that they've been hacked after they had screened the data stream for viruses. They thought it was clean and hence secure enough to upload into the central database for everyone else to look through so as to find a means to deliver the retrovirus gas effectively as well as to help repair the damaged Hive. Once it was in the database, it was able to relay information to the wraith via the Atlantis communications system.

Posted by: Carter-Hot Feb 1st 2006, 8:42 AM

This episode was brilliant!

The Wraith Queen for this Hive Ship was WOW! This episode again had everything. It was such a shame that only Teyla sensed that there was something wrong. The other members tried so hard to believe that the Wraith was really trying to form an alliance but it failed.

Now, McKay and Ronan and possibly Sheppard maybe culled. Also the fact that the Wraith now knows the locations of all Ancient-related worlds that may had possible technologies to wipe the Wraith out and more importantly, the location of Earth.

I can't wait to see the concluding part for this episode in June.

10/10

Though what gets me, is the scene where the first attempt to plant the retro-virus aerosol canisters on the enemy Wraith Hive. Wasn't it the intention that if the plan failed that the enemy Wraith Hive would destroy the "Friendly" Wraith Hive? Ok, I'm sure at the heat of the moment, the plan changed in that the friendly might surrender and dish out the info regarding Atlantis' existence.










Some cool moments!

Posted by: Gotanks Feb 1st 2006, 9:09 AM

Ronan was quite boring in this episode, sucked when he wants to kill Wraith again & again. The space fight was cool. I hate waiting for the second part episodes so long :/

Posted by: pct Feb 1st 2006, 10:10 AM

302 in hyperspace, maybe but not to earth, lifesupport not enough as seen in sg1 302prototype. the aurora selfdestructed to prevent hive ships from escaping with knowledge how to convert hyperdrive, could big D have intersepted transmission... probably. still i get the feeling that shepard is loose on the hive and is gonna rescue mcKay etc. very nice eppisode!! sorry for language it's my first! 2bad we have 2 wait 6+months

Posted by: MYT Feb 1st 2006, 10:21 AM

Ah still be nice to see something of the furlings, seen feck all from them, they didnt die off completly did they? or is that the fancy name for the ori ?

Posted by: Bignes Feb 1st 2006, 10:42 AM

As for the hive Queen, shes already on earth! Shes just been in Celebrity Big Brother

Pete Burns


Wraith Hive Queen


Frightening!

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Feb 1st 2006, 10:43 AM

Expert01: I'm sure that the alternate-Atlantis they found would still be occupied, and from what I recall it was in burtal disrepair. wouldn't do them much good.

MYT: If you want to talk about the furlings, please go find a thread and talk about them there. Just for the love of god please DON'T START A NEW TOPIC about them. We've had waaaay too many.

and I'm still befuddled as to how they downloaded the wraith information (the first time) to a non-networked computer .. when it could clearly need to be networked to the communications array ... and in turn to everything else through the array :1:

Posted by: MYT Feb 1st 2006, 11:03 AM

Ok, sorry im only new here, but erm... where do i find em ?

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Feb 1st 2006, 11:08 AM

try a search for "furling" (there's a search bar around somewhere ...)

Posted by: MYT Feb 1st 2006, 11:16 AM

Jesus i never thought of that !
But no seriously I did and it came up with two threads, one being this one and the other and 214 - Grace Under Pressure

Ah wait nm found the search all forums

Posted by: tsot Feb 1st 2006, 11:26 AM

Great episode. i know this has been mentiond already in the post but there is no way for the wraith to get to earth! They know where it is now so they can get there but it would take ages. Also why the obsesion with earth. They found every planet we have on record so they could feed off any planet!!

Even then the Deadalus could just jump back to earth, warn them and have enough time to break the wraith counter-measures and transport a few nukes onboard. The Orion could jump to earth, replenish the antarctic chair with its drones and job done. Also the deadalus could ambush the wraith everytime they make a hyperspace pause on the way to earth! Someone mentioned that the Asguard would not help. I think they would for sure!!! Their ship would cane the wraith in secods and after all they owe us big time after saving them from the replicators.

In relation to shepard, he has prob got into a dart bay with the 302, rescue ronan and rodney and could get back home in time for a smoked kipper.

One thing that is unclear is do the two wraith hives intend to tell the rest of the wraith about earth or just keep it to themselves cos they are greedy!

Even if all this was overcome by the wraith and they managed to get to earth and start feeding, all of earths combined conventional fire power ( such as jets, tank, nukes, ships and millions of troops with big guns) would easily stop the wraith from ever being able to land and actually feed. They cant do alot from orbit can they!!!!

One last point. Has anyone ever thought the script writers could steal or ideas from this form thus making their jobs pretty easy!! We give 'em enough scenarios lol!

Edit: just watched it again, it appears that the wraith also got the info about hyperdrives!! so they could get to earth! Still that diesnt explain why they waithed for the deadalus to attck then both simply left!

Posted by: expert01 Feb 1st 2006, 1:22 PM

QUOTE(tsot @ Feb 1st 2006, 9:26 AM)

Posted by: Raz Feb 1st 2006, 1:44 PM

All I can say is I HATE CLIFFHANGERS! What a F***ING AWESOME EPISODE! Great graphics, the ship scenes were probably the best of the season (maybe except for ep 1!). The only thing that is a bit stupid with the storyline is "We always make alliances with aliens, and then they always break it and we never saw it coming". Seriously how many more types of these storylines are there going to be...Stargate SG-1 has been filled with them (the most recent is the guy from "Beachead"). Those guys at Atlantis are the best of the best and only Teyla and maybe Ronan saw that deception coming, what a surprise!
Good episode though, but as i said before I hate cliffhangers, we're gonna have to wait till flaming July for the next episode!

Posted by: pct Feb 1st 2006, 1:47 PM

so ow stupid are the wraith... there is earth in their database and the rest... i understand why they don't go to asgard terrotory but how about everyone else... no protection... why not???

Posted by: ionpro Feb 1st 2006, 2:37 PM

QUOTE(tsot @ Feb 1st 2006, 10:26 AM)

Posted by: Lord_Yu Feb 1st 2006, 3:14 PM

The Aurora (and the Aurora class Orion) don't have intergalactic hyperdrives. In the virtual environment, the Wraith were inciting the Aurora crew to upgrade their engines in order to learn how the faster model worked. They failed and I don't see how the Aurora mission reports would help them here.

Posted by: Source Feb 1st 2006, 3:35 PM

Season 1 Episode 15:

Weir went back in time and met the Ancients and they told her that they sent their most powerful warships to peace talks with the Wraith which the Wraith agreed too. It was a trap and that led to the evactuation of Atlantis. Now i know that, that Weir died but... she aslo told the story to the others including about the Wraith peace talks trap.

You think they's learn wouldn't you?

Posted by: stargate loyal fan Feb 1st 2006, 5:17 PM

QUOTE(hobo_joe20 @ Feb 1st 2006, 2:34 AM)

My opinion on this episode: FANTASTIC. I thought it was well layed out, and sets us up nicely for a new season. I loved MacKay's bickering with the Asgard, and how his overconfidence got the best of him. Ronin, as kick-ass as ever, though once again Teyla had almost no point in this series. I think it's almost best to kill her off, as it's slowing them down to a degree. they tried to show Sheppard's concern for her, and then never went back to it.

Oh, and other thing: how do you get something to an un-networked drive over a network, and then set up a firewall for it? Seems a little confusing to me. Though at least they mentioned the firewall for later reasons. Still ...

Overall, great episode and now I can't wait till the summer ... AGAIN.

and now my responses to some of the other posts:

Ow, my eyes. They burn!
The prototype had one because they attached one, post-production.
Thank you for handing out spoilers. I must say, given my big effort to avoid them I have become annoyed with people like you who just assume everyone reads them and wants to know whats happening in the future.
The "new" hyperdrive, as you call it, is simply the old one with new modifications. I'm fairly certain that they will be required to have stop-overs. Just now the stops are farther apart. (the wraith also need to feed, and their hive ship will prolly not hold them over until they reach earth).

As for your second part: yes. they were trying to disable the hyperdrive of the wraith ships.

Posted by: Gebosowulo Feb 1st 2006, 5:38 PM

It would have been only natural to make some hard copies of the wraith data, e.g. on DVDs. In this light, the unimaginable undetectable wraith computer worm belongs in the realm of technical pseudo babble.

Nevertheless, nice episode! I think most has been said before, but contrary to at least one poster, I thought both Tayla and Ronan were acting in character. It is hard to blame Ronan for being hostile towards the race who quite effectively eliminated his own kind, and Tayla, though empathizing with the human 'Michael' before, was on point when hinting at the possibility of a wraith betrayal in her talk to Sheppard.

Darn. The drugstore is closed already and I desperately need some plutonium for the flux capacitor ...

Posted by: Revan Feb 1st 2006, 6:09 PM

I am new to this whole forum thing, and this is certainly my first post...

Here are the facts as I saw them:

1)The wraith uploaded the database of all known planets and the Aurora mission reports, which would possibly contain information on how to go about upgrading a normal hyperdrive to an intergalactic one

2)Sheppard is either 'piggy-backing' or is aboard the Wraith Hive attempting to release McKay, who has already hacked a number of the Hive's systems, which could be advantageous.

3)The Daedelus could catch up to the Hives, but it would be pointless unless they can get the transporter to lock on to a target.

4)We do not know what type of hyperdrive the Orion has.

I do not believe it likely that The Hives will reach ever reach Earth. It would take time to upgrade their hyperdrives, and in that span either McKay or Sheppard will have done something to foil them.

Posted by: saber87ffo Feb 1st 2006, 6:11 PM

Hi

I think that Ford was on one of those wraith ships, that followed shepard and that he beamed him out and headed back to the Hive ship were they are trying to bring both ships down.

No matter what will happen, one thing is for sure it's going to be one hell of a conclusion.

Im so looking forward to it.

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Feb 1st 2006, 6:27 PM

QUOTE(stargate loyal fan @ Feb 1st 2006, 5:17 PM)

Posted by: Auntie Em! Feb 1st 2006, 6:55 PM

I agree people need to watch the spoilers. A lot of people do not read spoilers. I like the pictures only and do not typically read the gist of the story. Please be careful.

I just thought of one more funny thing.

Hermoid said to McKay that his "assistance" on cracking the wraith code would be noted. McKay was like what? My "assistance"?

Later when McKay and Ronon were trapped on the hive ship Hermoid than says that McKays attempts to hack into the Hive ships failed!

So when it worked it was Hermoid ideal. When it failed it was McKays fault. Me thinks that asgard has as big an ego as McKay. I love those two together.

Posted by: Aussie_Bloke Feb 1st 2006, 7:24 PM

Ok here is my thoughts on what could possibly be the conclusion....
Wraith only have to make one stop now thanks to a better, yet not Asgard standard, hyperdrive....

Orion sits waiting for them....Daedaulus sits waiting for them....
Orion pumps one of them with drones...
Daedalus pumps one with beeming tech and nukes...

Posted by: wees Feb 1st 2006, 7:56 PM

earth may have shielded ship and powerful allies but if they are not warned about wraith arrival they're gonna get caught with the pant down........but that's does'nt matter i'm sure sheppard and rodney will find a way to stop them before they get to earth

Posted by: Radagast Feb 1st 2006, 8:22 PM

QUOTE(expert01 @ Feb 1st 2006, 1:22 PM)

Posted by: expert01 Feb 1st 2006, 8:23 PM

Haven't seen the episode yet, but if Atlantis knows they're going, then they'll gate to Earth and let them know. And if they don't get there, Atlantis will find out wraith know the position of earth and they will warn them anyways.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Feb 1st 2006, 8:46 PM

The russians have the plans to the X302 so they could have a great many ships.

Posted by: FL410 Feb 1st 2006, 9:51 PM

First, post. Hey everyone.

I've been reading what you've all said about ep20, and how TPTB might follow it up next season and I just thought of something else that could save our guys - the Wraith queen... or whatever she is... - someone already mentioned that she might be a total hottie if humanised right?

But she fed on that Wraith guy who was humanised, so why didn't she contract the virus as per Shep in 'Instincts'? So the Queen becomes a total hottie, in fear for her life cuz now she's food, and she helps MacKay (possibly Shep too by that point) et al escape, who then disable the hive ships from within just enough for the calvalry to arrive, and she gets killed in the process, saving the writers from any extraneous scriptwriting.... they already have enough on their plates with Ronan....

Just a thought. Sorry if it's in the wrong section.

oh and one last thing before I go, seeing as I'm a noob and all... Wouldn't it be cool if we met the Furlin.... nah, just kidding!

Posted by: Auntie Em! Feb 1st 2006, 9:59 PM

FL410 first off. Welcome to the forum. Second off your not a noob, your just a newbie. A noob is not a nice term here.

Thirdly, awesome ideal you got there! So true. The virus has not been tested since than. It could very well convert her to being human.

Posted by: ziostilon Feb 1st 2006, 10:28 PM

FL410 is right about saving the writers from any extraneous scriptwriting. From the previous episodes I've seen, I swear to god, they come up with this crazy cliffhanger, which gets us speculating for like 5 months and then the episode airs and it's actually some gay sh*t. I know this seems harsh, but looking back at this season's episodes, they really haven't put too much thought to the ending of the episode. My suggestion is, make the season premiere a 2-hour event, so therefore you have more time to make a good ending.

I doubt they'll ever get to Earth, cause that just doesen't seem like the writers' personality. Earth can't be a battleground because if the Wraith came, they would have to release to the general public that aliens do exist and everything about the Stargate Program. If you really think they're coming out of the Pegasus Galaxy to feed, think about Dakara and Chulak. These planets have a bigger possibility of getting written in for Wraith feeding ground then Earth, cause then the show would end or go to a different direction.
And who the hell knows how many Wraith are in their clan, it could be quite a lot because they now know the location of a rich feeding ground. So it might not just be two HIVE ships.
My speculation is that, this raid to Earth might go on for half a season or more. They will have to improve their hyperdrive, gather more wraith into their clan, get set for a crazy ass battle.

Posted by: Arcady Feb 1st 2006, 10:32 PM

QUOTE(Auntie Em! @ Feb 1st 2006, 9:59 PM)

Posted by: Auntie Em! Feb 1st 2006, 11:23 PM

QUOTE(Arcady @ Feb 1st 2006, 10:32 PM)

Posted by: maddie Feb 1st 2006, 11:35 PM

I think the wraith gave atlantis the hive ship's specs so they (atlantis) could familiarize themselves with the systems. all this was probably a ploy to nab mckay and upgrade their hyperdrive to an intergalactic one. not only that, but to determine how vulnerable their ships were to earth defences and prepare for a culling on earth and other milky way planets. my first post by the by. with the organic nature of hive ships, they can just reprogram and repair their weaknesses from my understanding and the data burst sent to atlantis is useless.

Posted by: ricree101 Feb 2nd 2006, 2:03 AM

In retrospect, they probably should have "accidently" slipped the position of one of the Ori's planets to the wraith. If they did it convincingly enough that the Waith thought it was Earth, then they'd be able to just let the wraith work things out to their natural conclusion.

Posted by: powerlifter Feb 2nd 2006, 4:22 AM

QUOTE(stargate loyal fan @ Feb 1st 2006, 5:17 PM)

Posted by: Dafmeister Feb 2nd 2006, 9:30 AM

Personal attacks get people banned. If you have a problem, PM a mod or report the post and say what the problem is.

Posted by: JiMz. - Feb 2nd 2006, 9:54 AM

First of all, I loved this episode, finally some real action and a hell of a cliffhanger. I DON'T like cliffhangers, I have waited already so long for SG-1 to continue, and now again for Atlantis to continue.

Maybe they could use the retrovirus to infect the two hive ships that are on their way to earth. Michael got amnesia when he was infected, so why wouldn't the other wraith be? Maybe this way they free Dr. McKay and Ronan and fly back home and find a new defense system. But I think this would be far too easy. I really hope they're going to come up with a very great conclusion.

Posted by: wees Feb 2nd 2006, 9:55 AM

i don't think the wraith would have given nothing but obsolete hive ship's specs if they intended to betray human after getting what they wanted so i don't think earth chips will ever be able to beam nukes into them.....that would makes the deadalus just a moving target....beside our conventional weapons won't even scratch a dart as they are not made to strike targets on high orbit so from my point of view the only way to defend ourself is to rely on asgard and jaffa chips with the orion if it's fully operational.....that would makes a pretty nice battle by the way...

Posted by: stargate loyal fan Feb 2nd 2006, 12:54 PM

QUOTE(powerlifter @ Feb 2nd 2006, 9:22 AM)

Posted by: Revan Feb 2nd 2006, 3:40 PM

QUOTE(wees @ Feb 2nd 2006, 9:55 AM)

Posted by: UltimateW Feb 2nd 2006, 6:09 PM

A H'atak is not that much bigger then the Deadelus ?

A mother ship perhaps, but seriously they clearly have no idea what they will run into, when they reach earth, if thats their real destination.

I hate that they are so careless as to have run the information on a network that was connected to such sensitive informations.

Back it all up and have it on a small network that is unhooked only way to secure such informations, and a back up would mean they could extract just the information they needed and keep the worm out.

The jamming codes can be broken, but it will probably take some time, the information they got hopefully will be useful in the comming battles ;)

So did Sheppard land on one of the wraithships, kinda hard to hide a 303 ;) I would think...

anyway AWESOME last two episodes... looking forward to see what twist they have come up with for a season start, like 4 hours combined sg1/altantis episode

Posted by: FL410 Feb 2nd 2006, 6:11 PM

Okay... I think I'm siding with the "no major cross-over for Season Three" camp here... other than

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Feb 2nd 2006, 7:37 PM

Hold on, what's the

Posted by: Hazaa3000 Feb 2nd 2006, 7:43 PM

!!!!!!!!

WOW!

and again, WOW.

3 words: Role on August!

That was awsome, like what a twist. Loved it. But what am I meant to watch now till August!

Posted by: Arcady Feb 2nd 2006, 8:31 PM

I have gone through the thread and tried to edit out spoilers. In some cases I have had to just remove entire messages.

The next report I get of spoilers in an episode discussion thread will result in suspended or banned accounts.

Posted by: Lagger Feb 2nd 2006, 8:57 PM

im thinking the weakness in wraith technology has to be a with some sort of virus...

after this ep, the wraith tells mackay that the ship can regenerate.. and is organic.. if so... a virus could eat the organic parts away, and the wraith would be screwed....

keeping mackay alive is a bad idea... cause if he escapes, he knows quite a bit about wraith tech now, eps after he fixed their ship....

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Feb 2nd 2006, 9:06 PM

QUOTE(Arcady @ Feb 2nd 2006, 8:31 PM)

Posted by: Revan Feb 2nd 2006, 9:52 PM

I am curious to know the relative sizes of the various vessels in the stargate universe...

How would I go about 'assimilating' this knowledge?

Posted by: Aussie_Bloke Feb 2nd 2006, 9:53 PM

Im not so sure about our rail runs not even scratching the hive ships....

Remember when McKay and Ronon were on the ship and they were rocked around by an explosion?? Well it was the D's weapons fire that did it!!!!

Sure they only tear little holes in the gigantic ships...but they do tear some holes in it!!

Posted by: Revan Feb 2nd 2006, 10:01 PM

The main problem is that the Hive Ship weaponry is far more powerful. Given enough time I do not doubt that the Daedelus could destroy a Hive.

I wonder if "the good guys" are working on a more effective delivery system for their rockets. The main problem seems to be that they are too slow, which makes them easy targets.

I think they should reverse-engineer drone weapons.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Feb 2nd 2006, 10:05 PM

QUOTE(Revan @ Feb 2nd 2006, 9:52 PM)

Posted by: Lagger Feb 2nd 2006, 11:04 PM

i actually have to agree, that the daedelus does damage ...

but the damage prob wont be notable, esp after the ship regenerates itself...

maybe they need the rail guns to fire explosive rounds, to increase the amount of damage...

depleted uranium???....

Posted by: MaDnEzZ Feb 2nd 2006, 11:24 PM

hi, new member here, been watching for along time and reading all the posts, just thought i would mention my own thought,

on the topic of the wraith using the hyperdrive tech from the aurora, i think its safe to say that its not going to happen, if you can remember the log was deleted by the wraith that was in the system, so technically the wraith don't have the info for the inter-galatic drives

just my own thoughts, what you guys think?

Posted by: Revan Feb 3rd 2006, 12:02 AM

QUOTE(MaDnEzZ @ Feb 2nd 2006, 11:24 PM)

Posted by: FL410 Feb 3rd 2006, 2:36 AM

Hey thanks Acady, sorry guys - only realised I made a spoiler bloop after I posted

but hmmm... for those that didn't know what I meant, let's say I meant to say 'Orion' (hmmm yeah that sounds plausable)

so back to topic - are we gonna start calling the Orion the "Big O" ?

heheheheh.... big O

and yeah I agree, I don't think the Wraith would have much luck in upgrading anything... is it just me or are you glad MacKay wasn't in that meeting between the Wraith 'scientist' and Dr. Beckett (the 'flashing' scene... priceless!). They were like "hmmm it's an aerosol this and it's an aerosol that" and after like 5 mins, the Wraith 'scientist' goes... "you turned it into a gas"

I can see it now - Mackay: No! We turned it into a Concrete Aerosol - you know - the solid kind - and threw it at them!

Posted by: Weiland Feb 3rd 2006, 5:40 AM

Does anyone have a link to a copy of the ep that is approx 20-50mb in size?? That would be helpful. If anyone has an upload speed of 256k or so and has msn, perhaps adding me and transferring thru msn would suffice (only small version tho, quality isnt too big a deal)


Thanks.
(will divulge msn addy when someone offeres interest in transfer)

Posted by: haikon Feb 3rd 2006, 8:49 AM

I think they should reverse-engineer drone weapons.
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That would be great but is it possible ? What are they made of anyway?
BTW the Deadalus shields held on preety well considering the small size of the ship. They really need some better fire power because the rail guns only buy them enough time to escape in a real combat situation.
Why don't they use photon torpedoes. Didn''t they have the design specs of ha'tac class ships when building the
Deadalus?

Posted by: fan_83 Feb 3rd 2006, 9:38 AM

haikon: its a matter of power supply.... the bid D has a limited amount of power to go around.. if they have unlimited power, they could turn the big D into a moving weapons platform with inpenetrable shields....

if the wraiths get to earth, we are so screwed.. promie is no match for 2 hive ships and unless the jaff decides to send in like 20 hatak, theres no way we can win.. of ocurse if the adgard sends the Daniel Jackson then we are all right...

but for those saying that out weapons can prevent them from culling... please remember that darts have beaming tech... and there are 6 billion of us.... they could just blow up our major cities to break reisstance and still have plenty left over to feast upon...

also regarding the orion hyperdrive,.... mckay could have possibly dl the upgraded specs to his trusty panel before they were beamed off... and now the wraith have it.. and if the hive ships hyperdrive is similar to the ancients intersystem hyperdrive, then they are unpgradable to intergalatic

Posted by: FL410 Feb 3rd 2006, 11:54 AM

Guys, I agree, yes it would be super-cool if Earth had all the big guns and the best shields and the ultimate whatsimathingy but c'mon! We have to have challenges and face seemingly insurmountable odds and overcome them, otherwise the franchise would go the way of ST:Enterprise ("ooo we have a problem with such and such? No worries, lets beam him out of there and fix up that theoretical thing we were studying 15 mins ago that will re-jig the whosamabob and solve the problem before we got to it!")

Atlantis just has a whole load of new drones, which, when faced with just two hive ships, they would unleash, killing the story in a 2 minute blaze of CGI glory. But afterwards we'd be bored. And I don't want to be bored! SG1 and A are the best freakin' sci-fi shows out there - so (to TPTB) please limit the drones! and the 5 minute wonder problem solving!

The Big D has the beaming tech and the nukes don't forget, which were pretty darned effective at first... now if only Hermiad can find a way to break the jamming code.....

I'm quite happy with us being the little guys in the Universe, trying to find out where we stand in the pecking order. And just an aside for Season Three... I'd like to see the guys use the Stargate more... and yeah someone mentioned before about exploration of Atlantis (and the planet it's on) - that could also prove fruitful...

Oh, talking of ships - I think the next one we find/build/scavange, should be humbly named after the writer of Greek mythology and Jack O'Neill's favourite character - the 'Homer'!

Posted by: Revan Feb 3rd 2006, 1:06 PM

Hermiod notes that without the ZPM the Daeldelus' shields will not last forever. IF they had enough power it is possible they could come in as close as they wanted and fire rockets right up a Hive's arse.

In the name of story continuation, they cannot make the good guys too powerful, or make it too easy for them to overcome an enemy. 'Drama' is all about conflict. If the Daedelus could just nuke every Hive they came across there wouldn't be much conflict... It would become boring, and the writers probably won't do that.

I liked the CGI fight scenes involving the Daedelus, and I liked the shot of the Orion... beautiful ship.
I wonder what the Orion's drone firing mechanism looks like.

Posted by: Ilzy Feb 3rd 2006, 2:01 PM

Great episode! I'd lie if I said that I just can't wait til August but I so want to know how this ends (well except the fact that all will end good - as always ). It was clear from the start that the Wraith are playing a double game but at least the exact way they didn't wasn't predictable.

And today I rewatched the episode 'Aurora' to find out just what the Wraith could have gotten from the mission files. And they really couldn't have gotten much because (as it was already mentioned somewhere in this thread) the Atlantis team didn't find out exactly how the hyperdrive could be modified so not much use there! And it's pretty sure that the Wraith from 'Aurora' didn't survive.

And Mckay was brilliant as usual - all the jokes ("Only everything you wanted to know about Wraith technology but were afraid to ask" etc.), his little quips with Hermiod

Posted by: Revan Feb 3rd 2006, 2:45 PM

It could be seen as mildly dangerous to put massive egos such as Hermiod's and McKay's in the same room together... especially working on the same project.

I concur though... I loved their banter. McKay actually believes he is smarter than Hermiod. I suppose they do think differently, maybe humans are more creative? The Asgard don't seem much for "outside the box" thinking.

Posted by: Ilzy Feb 3rd 2006, 2:49 PM

QUOTE(Revan @ Feb 3rd 2006, 9:45 PM)

Posted by: Revan Feb 3rd 2006, 4:03 PM

In episode 206 (Trinity) at the end, McKay tells Sheppard, "... I intend on being right again, about everything, effective immediately ::5 second silence:: that was a joke..." McKay seems to operate under the assumption that he is always right. I doubt his ego would allow for otherwise, even though he annihilated 5/6 of a star system because of his overconfidence and unwillingness to listen to other people.

Bottom line: Rodney McKay likes to ALWAYS be right!

Posted by: MaDnEzZ Feb 3rd 2006, 4:30 PM

definatly McKay has to be right, but then again if he wasnt he wouldn't be the McKay that is as funny as he is

Posted by: wees Feb 3rd 2006, 5:22 PM

yeah then does hermoid really have an ego as big as rodney's or was just taunting the arrogant human ?

Posted by: Pitry Feb 3rd 2006, 5:54 PM

Ha! The Daedalus has 302's! Yeah, I should have rationalised this one a while ago, but... I'm slow. Forgive me. ;)

Fantastic episode. Enjoyed every moment.
First of all, the way they were working together with the Wraith. Sorry Em for your comment from Coup d'Etat, but actually JM made a couple of comments that made me realise without reading a single spoiler it's gonna be the Wraith. Only I was totally wrong concerning the reason they were working together.

The constant references to "our hive", "our Wraiths" etc... lovely. I also enjoyed the Wraith scientist and - surprise, surprise, mostly mine - the Wraith Queen. It would seem they're finally trying to break out of the cliche Wraith - or so I hope it would seem. Which is all better.
The Micael-Teyla scene was done well... I like their interaction. I hope we'll get to see more of Michael in season 3.
Rodney upon getting all the info from the Wraith... huh. Did I mention how much I love this guy? ;) And the half apologetic way he talked to the Wraith.... Lol. I wonder tho if the information the Wraith gave Atlantis was real, or was it cooked up only to look real?...
And Hermoid! I'm starting to think he's the Asgaard counterpart of McKay.

I'd like just once to know what a Wraith's name sounds like. Really. Can't one of them break? Meh.

As for the ending, eek. Unfortunately I suppose they would find a way to stop them from coming to Earth, or it would have required a double-Atlantis-SG1 crossover, and I'm pretty sure they're not gonna do that... which would be a shame, but, oh well.

Anyhow, fantabulous season ending. Pitry amused.

eDIT: oops, I see there's a full discussion on how much Rodney and Hermiod are alike. So, I agree.

Posted by: Revan Feb 3rd 2006, 6:56 PM

I would very much like to see the Orion in action. It seems to be a fairly powerful ship, it is equipped with drone weapons. Even if it does not have an intergalactic hyperdrive, it is still faster than any Hive.

Does Hermiod seem less than pleased with his present assignment with "the humans" to anybody else? Or are we assuming it is a personality quirk?

Posted by: Auntie Em! Feb 3rd 2006, 7:30 PM

Revan it does have a hyperdrive or else how would it have "jumped" in to assist Atlantis when it was in hiding just out of sensor range?

Ilzy there has to be something in the Aurora logs that can assist the Wraith or else why mention them or make it part of the plot of the episode. Every means something.

Hermoid and McKay should become a couple and get married. They are pure Majorca together!

Posted by: Revan Feb 3rd 2006, 7:57 PM

I was inferring there is a difference between an intergalactic hyperdrive like the Daedelus and Asgard ships have, and the less advanced type that any Ha'tak would carry.

Remember it did not take the Daedelus much time to get to the Aurora, but the journey back to Atlantis would have been months for the Aurora. The Wraith tricked them. It was using them to modify a normal hyperdrive into an intergalactic one. That was the most important contents of the Aurora logs. How to go about upgrading.

Posted by: Radagast Feb 3rd 2006, 8:22 PM

On the other hand, the Replicators were able to optimize a Ha'taks hyperdrive for intergalactic travel....

And in fairly short order too!

Just as the Asgard were able to do the same (on a lesser scale) with the pitiful initial hyperdrive on the Prometheus.

So I don't think it'd necesarily take all that long to modify.

On the subject of guns... the rail guns fire a solid projectile at super high speed, very rapidly, is that correct? I wonder if there are any other weapons we have which might be more effective.

Also what's wrong with beaming a 1 gigaton warhead about 500 meters in FRONT of a hive ship? I'm sure it'd still get hurt

And why did nothing ever come out of the experiments to develop some kind of beam weapon at SGC?

Posted by: Revan Feb 3rd 2006, 8:26 PM

The replicators somehow gave it much more power, if you will recall their giant generator bug.

I think the Asgard are supplying Earth with hyperdrives, shield technology, sensors and beaming technology. We did save them again.

I think the Wraith jamming technology is blocking our ability to achieve a transport lock at all, isn't it?

I have wondered how the rail guns work. By definition a rail gun is just a gun that fires projectiles at high velocities via magnetism.

-- Don't quote me on that... I am fairly certain though.

Posted by: Radagast Feb 3rd 2006, 9:11 PM

That is how a rail gun normally works yes and it's also the impression I got from The Siege when the one guy was explaining it to Ford.

As far as the jammers go... ok maybe they still can't get a lock but why do you need a lock you have a fair margin for error hehe.

Posted by: Phatboy1437 Feb 3rd 2006, 9:51 PM

Sorry way too much to read through, but i've read some inquries about the wraith taking over the orion, and dont know if this has been said. But the wraith wouldn't be able to take over the ship. Theyr'e not the ancients and I'm guessin that the ancients safeguarded the technology specifically to prevent the wraith from using it. Only thing that I can think of is that the Wraith would use the retrovirus on the other ship turn them into humans, apply the gene therapy then control the Orion? Humans on the orion, that are wraith?!?! Heck they could pretend to be ancients!!!!! and catch earth off guard! I just dont know, too many unanswered questions in this season ending cliffhanger.

Edit: I also saw some stuff about, the wraith not konwing about the orion, whats to say that nothing in there references to a sister ship?

Posted by: ???z?h??$ Feb 4th 2006, 1:06 PM

QUOTE(Phatboy1437 @ Feb 3rd 2006, 8:51 PM)

Posted by: Revan Feb 4th 2006, 1:11 PM

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Posted by: Radagast Feb 4th 2006, 1:27 PM

I think it's fairly safe to say there's either a) something we don't know about or b) 3x01 is gonna really suck (a la 2x18).

I like the idea of the twist of the Wraith not actually having the hyperdrive yet but tricking Rodney into doing it for them... That should do something for his ego eh?

Posted by: Phatboy1437 Feb 5th 2006, 1:49 AM

Its gotta be something "impending". Meaning the direct threat will be eliminated but the possibiltiy for something bad to happen as direct cause of this event will always linger. Too Confusing? Just like baal lingering around the sg1 galaxy. The wraith threat will be eliminated but one thing will get away and it will linger in the sg1 part of the galaxy. So the wraith will be an underlying threat to the ori. I think this will add for a good outlet to crossover stories, and more interlying plots between sg1 and atlantis.

As far as what it is...well ya got me. They left the story out for the wide imagination. Any number of things could happen.

And whos to say that the wraith cant develop or even tweak their own version of the retrovirus. There was a wraith scientist that worked closely with Zelenka and Beckett.

Posted by: Jade Feb 5th 2006, 6:17 AM

SO the Acient lost the War with the Wraith because they were arrogant, and did not consider them a formidable enermy until they were outnumbered. you think the Atlantis team should learn from that. But they keep under estimate Wraith, thinking they are just bugs with no brains, They are pretty smart for excuting their plan and deceive everyone,or maybe the Atlantis team is just too dumb?
I hope Mackay has a plan B, I really can't see he trusting the Wraith like that, and he is certainly not that brave, Come on it is Mackay we talking about. Maybe he will have something to save the day!

Posted by: stargate loyal fan Feb 5th 2006, 9:11 AM

first of all the admins are going to have to create a way of not giving out spoilers because people who view other episodes before others are getting spoilt.
People shuld be careful what they say and only talk about atlantis in atlantis forums and sg1 in normal forums. If we end up talking about somethings like if they crossover lets not mention what will happen in future episodes and not talk about things happening in the other show. Eg not talking about the promethus (spelling) in atlantis forums or the orion in sg1, if if it might(only might, not saying it will or wont).

Anyway back to the episode, was good to see a few battles more often but how can atlantis be so stupid. The wraith can never be trusted obviously and i thought from the aurora episode that wraith couldnt comminicate so far, thats why the wraith ships we destroyed couldnt tell any other wraith that atlantis was still there so why did they threaten us with it this time???

we should have just blown their ship up when they least expected it so that they didnt have time to communicate but on the other hand, the show must have things like this to carry on running.

One other thing i want to ask is

Posted by: altera Feb 5th 2006, 9:58 AM

Posted by: stargate loyal fan Feb 5th 2006, 11:05 AM

i thought that on the aurora they never had an intergalatic hyperdrive????? they were aiming to get one because of the wraith but they never got the chance to upgrade it. Which also means why would we need the log because the only thing in the log was a wraith weakness which was deleted and plus we have an intergalatic hyperdrive engine anyway so why would we need it??

and about my other post about not telling people about eps altera i ment spoilers about future episodes, not people who have watched it like canada has this ep

Posted by: Phatboy1437 Feb 5th 2006, 12:33 PM

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Posted by: HurricaneMB Feb 5th 2006, 12:38 PM

QUOTE(Raz @ Feb 1st 2006, 1:44 PM)

QUOTE(Revan @ Feb 3rd 2006, 6:56 PM)

Posted by: Radagast Feb 5th 2006, 1:06 PM

QUOTE(HurricaneMB @ Feb 5th 2006, 12:38 PM)

Posted by: andresm Feb 5th 2006, 2:33 PM

Sweet episode despite obvious "flukes" averyone has diskussed. Would like to see any of us come up with better one though.

Couple of things

First - now it should be fairly easy for Atlantis to distribute retrovirus amongst people on different worlds so when they are attacked and beamed up to wraith ships they can "spray" the wraith. Haha.

But seriously. Something like a retrovirus would be so powerful weapon against the wraith - just hammer the hive with cloaked jumpers and then hit it with the virus. Provided wriath dont have "hazmat suits" on their fedences should be considerably weakened.

Second thing that is really funny is how Caldwell keeps attacking Wraith ships although it was pretty clear the first time that the shields dont last a long time - so why even try. Like in this episode.

And thirdly, why would anyone be so stupid as to board wraith ship. Even if the experiment did go as they wanted, what reason would the wraith have to return McKay - it would serve in their best interest to interrogate him, kill Ronana and Shepperd and alert all other hives so they keep coming ot Atlantis - whre they just gas them. And allt the wraith think it was Atlantians and just keep coming until all the ships but these 2 are left.

If this occurred to me, it surely should have occurred to McKay.

How funny would it have been when wraith would have gone against GoaUld. The Ori are a bit different, they would just smack their asses cause i dont think wraith would be really goood followers so it would actually have been good idea for atlantians to trick the wraith into Ori home galaxy with wrong gate addresses, where Ori no doupt would have destroyed them all for eating their followers.

Cant wait to see season 3

Posted by: Revan Feb 5th 2006, 2:56 PM

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Posted by: Malika Feb 5th 2006, 4:00 PM

The thing that occured to me the most is how defensive Ronan got when the wraith touched Rodeny's shoulder, personaly I thought he didn't realy like Rodeny that much as I have said on a previous post that didn't work that well but seriously when i think of Ronan and Rodeny I think SLAGGING MATCH!

All in all fantastic episode.

-Wonder where sheppard's 302 went ?
-Where was Teyla? only one sceen she's third on casting in credits even Radek was in it more than her.
-Why didn't Micheal help them if he was so disgusted (though he still might - open for interpretation - NOT SPOILER though, appoligies if it can be persived that way )
-what's with the worm virus the wraith should have uploaded more info than that?

Poor Rodeny, I'm sure he didn't see that one coming (GUILT TRIP ALERT) usualy in a alliance you do not to kill the other guy, so much for good faith, though I was surprised at Rodeny's willingness to go on the ship and thought his reaction to hearing that Ronan would be coming was funny.

Good lines from wraith - "I'm sorry but there's been a change of plans Doctor McKay" (use of 'Doctor' and "sorry" makes me think he actualy likes him, though the whole wanting to eat him kinda blows that out of the water )

Can't wait for season 3. I want to see it now .

Posted by: Lagger Feb 5th 2006, 5:37 PM

QUOTE(Malika @ Feb 6th 2006, 7:00 AM)

Good lines from wraith - "I'm sorry but there's been a change of plans Doctor McKay" (use of 'Doctor' and "sorry" makes me think he actualy likes him, though the whole wanting to eat him kinda blows that out of the water )

Can't wait for season 3. I want to see it now .

Posted by: Raini Feb 6th 2006, 4:37 AM

Atlantis tech is definitely beyond me:

1. Weir says at some point "download to a non-networked firewalled computer" (Please correct me if i am wrong). How can you transfer to a pc which is not connected to a network - and how can a non-networked pc be firewalled? Isn't that contradictory?

2. Why where the screens flickering while the virus erased the wraith-ship schematics? Was it a flickering virus?

Overall a great episode & cliffhanger.

Posted by: stargate loyal fan Feb 6th 2006, 5:45 AM

i believe it wasnt erasing the wraith ships schematics but uploading the knowledge they wanted, but as for why they flickered i can not say as i dont know, maybe it was the uploading of what they wanted.

How come wraith seem to know so much about computers but yet they dont have that kind of tech???

Posted by: MYT Feb 6th 2006, 3:40 PM

Posted by: gabor Feb 6th 2006, 5:22 PM

QUOTE(Raini @ Feb 6th 2006, 10:37 AM)

QUOTE(Raini @ Feb 6th 2006, 10:37 AM)

QUOTE(Raini @ Feb 6th 2006, 10:37 AM)

2. Why where the screens flickering while the virus erased the wraith-ship schematics? Was it a flickering virus?

Posted by: Auntie Em! Feb 6th 2006, 8:37 PM

MYT well you do not need the spoiler tags in side the discussion section. As long as you are not talking about any future episode.

Posted by: Atlantians Feb 7th 2006, 1:26 AM

Anyone want to post more images of the battles? And or the Orion if it is shown in the episode?

Anyway: I hope next season shows how the Wraith could possibly have defeated the Ancients. What does everyone else think? I still think they seem to week in such small numbers.
Im guessing they outnumbered the Ancients several thousand to one.
And the ships outnumbered Ancient ships several hundred to one.

And the reason that the Wraith only have 60+ Hive ships now is that the vast majority was destroyed by the Ancients in the long battle on the road to Atlantis.

Posted by: Lagger Feb 7th 2006, 5:49 AM

i'd be inclined to agree as well....

if the atlantians said they won every battle....

then wraith numbers could ahve been decimated....

but eventually they ran outta ammo/steam... gave up(cowards) and ran on home ....

but this would make SGA's victory too easy.... perhaps more wraith are hiding in a different galaxy??.... or there are wraith ships we havent seen yet, which are more powerful....

or.. the wraith havent ramped up their war factories yet, to start pumping out hives...

in sg1, the gould lasted a good 8 seasons...

Posted by: MYT Feb 7th 2006, 9:53 AM

Yeah i agree too, considering the atlantians didnt just fight from atlantis only, they fought from many platforms some which probably havent been found yet. Another point to make is, why have more hive ships? then they would need more wraith, which would need more hosts. So in all fairness the queens havent been poppin out little critters so they wouldn't fight amongst themselves.

Posted by: cvvrede Feb 7th 2006, 12:51 PM

QUOTE(gabor @ Feb 6th 2006, 11:22 PM)

perharps you could transfer it via uploading it to a memory stick, then entering the VERY_VERY_VERY SECURE, ABSOLUTELY NOT CONNECTED TO ANY NETWORK AND SHIELDED FROM RADIO WAVES data-storage room, and uploading it to the server.

but then the firewall becomes unnecessary, that's true
and they obviously do not have access to any kind of write-once (read: UNERASEABLE) media, like dvd+-R or cd+-R.

Posted by: wees Feb 7th 2006, 1:32 PM

their is another point that i'm thinking of is that we know that even a zpm has its limits and can be depleted after a (long long long....) while so i would think that the ancient, specially on atlantis their main city, would have facilities to maintain their power supply (yeah ok probably not a gigantic dynamo..... ) or even to produce other zpm when the current ones are depleted, which can be useful when you're besiege a long as they had been by the wraith before sinking atlantis...........
As for the hive ships they're just like big cities where the wraiths are bred so maybe they have more destruction-oriented ships like destroyers that they used during the war against the ancient

Posted by: Auntie Em! Feb 7th 2006, 1:50 PM

QUOTE(cvvrede @ Feb 7th 2006, 12:51 PM)

Posted by: Revan Feb 7th 2006, 3:46 PM

The Atlanteans probably just ran out of people and ships and weapons. They didn't want to prolong a conflict that they viewed as unwinnable. the Wraith were simply too many. They allowed that situation to get far out of hand. they should have leveled the Bug planet when they had the chance. It is possible that the Wraith aren't the real baddies in the Pegasus galaxy. I hope to meet the race of aliens that created the virus in SGA 113 (Hot Zone). They seem very unpleasant, and possibly more advanced than the Wraith. Remember that the Alterrans came to Pegasus because the Orii were ravaging the Milky Way with a virus specifically targeting them. They were already at a disadvantage. Their numbers would have grown over time, but the Wraith started growing too... Probably faster. There were just too many Wraith to handle. They had to leave or it would have just dragged on.

Posted by: klbro8 Feb 7th 2006, 11:59 PM

I recond that they moved the data burst transmition to a networked computer after they scaned it for a virus the wraith left behind. so they could use the atlantis data base to understand what the wraith where sending.

Posted by: Raini Feb 8th 2006, 3:48 AM

If McKay and Ronon would meet with a Wraith wearing -glasses- on board the Hiveship, they should shoot him on sight.

Death to the Wraith Haxors

Posted by: Atlantians Feb 9th 2006, 1:37 AM

QUOTE(Raini @ Feb 8th 2006, 12:48 AM)

Posted by: Revan Feb 9th 2006, 9:27 AM

QUOTE(Raini @ Feb 8th 2006, 3:48 AM)

If McKay and Ronon would meet with a Wraith wearing -glasses- on board the Hiveship, they should shoot him on sight.

Death to the Wraith Haxors

Posted by: Dafmeister Feb 9th 2006, 11:25 AM

Nope, we are all confuzzled. I have no idea what a Haxor is nor why a Wraith would be wearing glasses.

Posted by: xbcx203 Feb 9th 2006, 4:53 PM

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Posted by: hobo_joe20 Feb 9th 2006, 5:08 PM

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Posted by: Auntie Em! Feb 9th 2006, 7:52 PM

xbcx they knew about the MW they were shocked because they believed all life in it had be slaughtered. So, they were shocked that Daniel and Vala came from it.

Posted by: Revan Feb 9th 2006, 8:09 PM

QUOTE(xbcx203 @ Feb 9th 2006, 4:53 PM)

Posted by: Atlantians Feb 9th 2006, 10:26 PM

QUOTE(hobo_joe20 @ Feb 9th 2006, 2:08 PM)

He was trying to by "funny". a "Haxor" = l337 (leet) speak for "hacker/someone really good at what they do" (at least this is what I have gathered).

On a scale of 1-10 for funniness, I give it a -1.5 you fail.

Posted by: Revan Feb 9th 2006, 10:43 PM

I now understand the comedy of the HAXOR joke. I think it was an attempt at silliness or humor. The only problem is that only people familiar with that term would have gotten the joke. I have never played an online video game. Many people on my floor do though... Lots of computer and software engineers.

Haxor = "person that cheats, possibly in an online game"...

now I understand the LEET thing too.... a leet... funny I guess?

"they are retarded terms, you shouldn't use them because they are stupid... usually people who play counterstrike say they are leet... when they are in fact 13 year old punks...."

"1337 haxxxxxxorrrrrrrrzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"...

I guess that is what I get for asking a gaming question on an engineering floor.... I am now afraid and perhaps will hide under my desk

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Feb 9th 2006, 10:48 PM

We used to use such terms when playing Gunbound ... but believe me. It was purely comical on our part as we laugh as people's responses to said usages.

Posted by: Revan Feb 9th 2006, 10:59 PM

Insert "blinking eyes in disbelief" smiley, eh? Any other interesting tidbits about the episode?

I'v got nothing.... perhaps somebody could say something to jumpstart conversation?

What is Gunbound?

Posted by: Aussie_Bloke Feb 9th 2006, 11:44 PM

posting pics of the battle/battles would be most appreciated as atlantians has mentioned

Posted by: spookwomann Feb 10th 2006, 2:10 PM

remember at the end when they jumped out of hyperspace they were attacked by 2 hive ships, only one when on to earth by the looks of it. there are unanswered questions there
1. Which ship is Michael on. he's supposed to be a reacurring character in season 3.
2. Michael said he had an insight into how what humans are like when he was changed. how much of an insight. can he start thinking like a human when it comes to war.
3. Was the info on earth sent to both ships.
4. do the wraith have samples of the retrovirus gas, if so they could make up an antidote.
5. they told rodeny that they were out of practice with war. how long before they get into the swng of things and how much are they hold back.

i recon season 3 is gonna be a good one

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Feb 10th 2006, 2:28 PM

QUOTE(Revan @ Feb 9th 2006, 10:59 PM)

QUOTE(spookwomann @ Feb 10th 2006, 2:10 PM)

Posted by: PokeThePuddle Feb 10th 2006, 9:56 PM

I seriously doubt that only 2 hive ships are been deployed to our galaxy... like wtf.. 2 hive ships...
I think its a ploy to gain some other information. like going to pegasus's alpha site for some reason, because they don't have fast enough ships to get to earth any time soon.

OR

its gonna be like killing goa'uld in s8, where replicators came. so its like, in sg-1 omg ori ships wth do we do? and then 2 hive ships show up and badly cripples the ori fleet. They have the aurora's data and whatnot so the wraith may be able to upgrade there engines on the go.

OR

Because the wraith didn't actually give the expedition the info to defeat the teleport disruptor, this may just be a way to get the canister onto the other hive ship.

OR

The hive ships will be destroyed by an act of tptb.

THESE CLIFFHANGERS ARE REALLY REALLY GETTING TO ME!

Posted by: spookwomann Feb 11th 2006, 9:48 AM

I hate cliff hangers!!
i recon they've just sent the one ship to scout.

"Because the wraith didn't actually give the expedition the info to defeat the teleport disruptor, this may just be a way to get the canister onto the other hive ship."

what better way to know your enemies strengths than to see it in action and at their own pace.

Hobo you are in the speculation and discussion forum for allies.

Posted by: Dafmeister Feb 11th 2006, 10:05 AM

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Posted by: PokeThePuddle Feb 11th 2006, 11:21 AM

yea, i goofed on that must have read some speculation before.

but this episode was wierd. I don't actually know what to think about it. Its comparable to Janeway allying to Borg in STA. And I don't believe they actually allied with the Wraith. And Rodney's quite right on repairing everything, its like everyday when you do something another action has to be taken because of the first.

And did anyone else notice that the 302s had almost zero air speed before the dart landed?
(the zero air speed is assuming its a calm day and atlantis was stationary at that time.)

also, Weir orders to switch from cloak to shield if something bad happens, so, apart from the fact that Weir is civilian, why doesn't anyone else do if: err on the side of prudence?

memorable quotes:

well the segment with Weir, Shep and McKay was da bomb.
Mckay: which means we need shield, which means you want everything!
...
Mckay: Shields? yes. Jump into position, maybe. Release the drones? probably not
...
Mckay: (sarcastically) Lets talk about it for a really long time. That'll help for sure.
...

Then from the exchange between Beckette and the Wraith. Can't remember much but he was so nerveous.
And apparently, Wraith are very good at deciphering techno babble. That wraith scientist cut through it like that knife and butter analogy.

Then theres the everlasting conflict between human sarcasm and cliches and the famed asgard sense of humor. Priceless moment. Like the scenes with Jack and Thor from SG1

Posted by: Auntie Em! Feb 11th 2006, 11:32 AM

Poke do you realize that Weir is incharge of this mission right? Who else is to give the orders but her.

Remember 101 "Rising" Col Sumner asks Sheppard "You do know who your boss is right?" Or something like that. Sumner wanted Shep to acknowledge that he is the commander of the mission but Sheppard said Weir is and walked away with a smirk on his face.

Posted by: PokeThePuddle Feb 11th 2006, 11:49 AM

I meant in general; like Pendergast or Caldwell... and the other guy in SG1 s6 or s7 with the "prepare to assist in damage control" and "prepare to fire" and "prepare to raise shields" and to give the final order wastes a precious and vulnerable second.

Weir overcame that with the well-phrased command "do it if this and don't wait for my order."

It took them long it enough to get it. You know all the other times for 2 orders to do 1 action like in all of the Star Trek series.

Posted by: Com. Genesis Feb 12th 2006, 5:08 AM

Ok ,ok , get this, they are on atlantis, they have controll of her systems and basically the how station, they have access to it's library's and technical information that was left by the achients some 10,000 years ago, what is preventing THE HUMANS or SGC or AREA 51 from looking throught that data and finding blue prints or technicall info of BETTER TECHNOLOGY such as energy weapons , drones, or anything that the achients built. I sure that somewear in the fast data base on Atlantis is some information on how to build this stuff for like future reference, on how to aquire the resourse to engineer better Tech. with all the data and knowledge at there finger tips, they sould be able to kich the crap out of the Wraith and who ever else.

I and probable many others get frusterated with shows like this beacsue of what i just said, I could be wrong and they are using the achient data base but i dont think they are, they to busy playing help everyone in the galaxy and fight all the super strong guys, almost startreky.


whatever

Posted by: fan_83 Feb 12th 2006, 9:32 AM

dude.... i can give you a blueprint to build a mega powerful laser that will make you king of the world but if you don;t have the facilities or equipment to build it then that piece of blueprint is only useful as toilet paper.. you have to remember the tech level difference between the 2 peep..

its like going back in time to the medieval ages... i give the blacksmith the know how in buildinf a m16.. do you think he can build it???

Posted by: Atlantians Feb 12th 2006, 11:48 PM

QUOTE(Lagger @ Feb 7th 2006, 2:49 AM)

Posted by: MYT Feb 13th 2006, 10:28 AM

Ok some things i still dont get, about the previous spoiler made by Atlantians,

Posted by: Sibylle Feb 13th 2006, 10:53 AM

What i don't get is what all the fuss is about....

All they have to do is to contact the asgard, they will send help, protect earth with some battleships etc.
Mayb sent some engineers to atlantis, repair the Orion in no time, do research on some drone tech no big D can carry some....

They will copy some of the tech on the Orion, and wil help us with building similair ships etc......

Imagine a earth ship with atlantian shields, weapons etc....
The Wraith ships heading for earth will be destroyed once they drop out of hyperspace, and the asgard will do research on them....





The Asgard will be unimaginable thankfull for all the tech shared, for it will come quite in handy with there new culture building stuff, and the war against the Ori.....



But none of that seems 2 happen, in SGA i can imagine because it's only S2. But in SG-1....come on.....atlatnis reports etc....hurry with the shielding/power/weapon/beam/sensor stuff etc. :S

Posted by: Revan Feb 13th 2006, 4:33 PM

It can't be too easy. The point is for them to get into heaps of trouble and then find awesome ways to get out of it using only human ingenuity. There wouldn't be much of a story if they could simply annihilate all of their enemies.

Posted by: fan_83 Feb 14th 2006, 1:44 PM

QUOTE(Sibylle @ Feb 13th 2006, 10:53 AM)

Posted by: Sibylle Feb 14th 2006, 5:05 PM

QUOTE(fan_83 @ Feb 14th 2006, 7:44 PM)

Posted by: Dafmeister Feb 14th 2006, 5:42 PM

QUOTE(fan_83 @ Feb 14th 2006, 6:44 PM)

Posted by: Lagger Feb 14th 2006, 7:26 PM

QUOTE(Sibylle @ Feb 15th 2006, 8:05 AM)

QUOTE(Dafmeister @ Feb 15th 2006, 8:42 AM)

Posted by: fan_83 Feb 14th 2006, 7:36 PM

the asgards also did bother to save our assses a couple of time, so we are basically even.... cos they are the first to even bother to help us when the systems lord start coming after us... so no point saying that they owe us

also you remember what happen to the tollan homeworld.... can you gurantee that we wouldn;t do what they did when we get the new tech...

i mean the stargate is not public knowledge adn we have elements of the trust running around....

its not the best ground giving us unlimited power...

also they are busy rebuilding their civi adn they have a limited amount of ships... are you asking them to give up one of their ships in this time where they need to rebuild?
are we that selfish?

Posted by: Sibylle Feb 15th 2006, 4:04 AM

QUOTE(fan_83 @ Feb 15th 2006, 1:36 AM)

Posted by: haikon Feb 15th 2006, 2:49 PM

First of all sending two hive ships is really a fuc*** joke. The Wraith can't be that dumb or desperate.

And as for the Asgard. How many times did Asgard intervene with their ships to save us from the goaul'd? Let me think. Oh yeah 0 times.

And even if they had time (which they never do) to come and help it wouldn't be interesting now would it because they would kick the sh** out of the Wraith.

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Feb 15th 2006, 3:01 PM

QUOTE(haikon @ Feb 15th 2006, 2:49 PM)

Posted by: Revan Feb 15th 2006, 3:49 PM

The Ancient wall databases in the Milky Way are much more than the Atlantis archive. The wall databases are meant to download an assload of knowledge and understanding into an advanced human's mind. It is far beyond simple technical specs. I would expect it to be very difficult to extract information the normal way. Even the Asgard are having trouble with it. the Asgard are presently fixing their own mess. Their civilization has been torn to pieces, they need to rebuild. they have to restructure before they will be in a position to help anybody else.

Posted by: Atlantians Feb 17th 2006, 3:39 AM

QUOTE(MYT @ Feb 13th 2006, 7:28 AM)

Posted by: Sibylle Feb 17th 2006, 10:49 AM

QUOTE(Atlantians @ Feb 17th 2006, 9:39 AM)

Posted by: Atlantians Feb 17th 2006, 2:15 PM

QUOTE(Sibylle @ Feb 17th 2006, 7:49 AM)

Posted by: MYT Feb 17th 2006, 3:02 PM

But they could use theyre other super weapon

Posted by: Dafmeister Feb 17th 2006, 3:53 PM

QUOTE(MYT @ Feb 17th 2006, 8:02 PM)

Posted by: Atlantians Feb 17th 2006, 10:17 PM

QUOTE(MYT @ Feb 17th 2006, 12:02 PM)

Posted by: Lagger Feb 18th 2006, 6:17 AM

how many ships does earth have now anyhow????

poor prommie

i know there isnt meant to be an overlap of sg1 or sga..

but is it possible, that the orion could be seen in atlantis??

Posted by: Dafmeister Feb 18th 2006, 11:41 AM

QUOTE(Lagger @ Feb 18th 2006, 11:17 AM)

Posted by: Sibylle Feb 18th 2006, 11:43 AM

QUOTE(MYT @ Feb 17th 2006, 9:02 PM)

Posted by: Dafmeister Feb 18th 2006, 11:52 AM

QUOTE(Sibylle @ Feb 18th 2006, 4:43 PM)

Posted by: Atlantians Feb 18th 2006, 5:02 PM

That is why I guess that the Wraith literrally lost Billions of troops, and that the human population was reduced by that kind of numbers. And that is why there are such sparse populations of them.

I also guess that the Wraith lost almost all their ships and only left the war with a scarse 60 hives and thrice that number in cruisers. And over ten thousand darts.

The Ancients probably started getting more creative when they were almost out of ships, and sent several of the ships that were not downgraded with intersystem hyperdrives to destroy the Wraith production facilities while they were attacking the Ancients planets. This succeded and left the Ancients with an almost set number of Wraith ships, and the remaining Wraith ships were shredded until only that small number remained. Unfortunately the Ancients had like maybe 4 ships left, 1 damaged and being repaired, another crippled and presumed lost, and two more small ships that would not be able to hold off the Wraith en mass.

Maybe there were a few other Ancient ships that were not even finished yet, or were just being finished, but the Ancients had had enough and decided to retreat.

That is probably why they never refilled the drone launchers on Atlantis. They felt no need to do so.
And left.

Posted by: Lagger Feb 18th 2006, 6:17 PM

then why leave atlantis.... underwater with shields on..

if they knew they werent comming back they shoulda self destructed it

Posted by: Dafmeister Feb 18th 2006, 6:28 PM

QUOTE(Lagger @ Feb 18th 2006, 11:17 PM)

then why leave atlantis.... underwater with shields on..

if they knew they werent comming back they shoulda self destructed it

Posted by: Auntie Em! Feb 18th 2006, 8:24 PM

QUOTE(Lagger @ Feb 18th 2006, 6:17 AM)

how many ships does earth have now anyhow????

poor prommie

i know there isnt meant to be an overlap of sg1 or sga..

but is it possible, that the orion could be seen in atlantis??

Posted by: Revan Feb 19th 2006, 4:15 AM

This is slightly off topic... but does it make sense that the drones are launched from those circular things on the ends of 3 of the piers...?

Posted by: MYT Feb 20th 2006, 10:52 AM

Ok just some general info:

From 'BEFORE I SLEEP'
The previous timeline's Dr. Weir has delivered to the team five gate addresses for planets in the Pegasus Galaxy -- Ancient outposts. On each is known to be a working Zero Point Module, the valuable power source that can power Atlantis's great shield and protect the city, and allow them to dial the gate back home to Earth -- at least as of 10,000 years ago.

Sheppard's team has already been to one of these planets, designated M7G-677 ("Childhood's End"). Some planets, including this one, have Z.P.M.s that the team simply cannot recover without placing others in great danger. Whether or not one of these worlds will yield a charged module that the team can bring back remains to be seen.

The Ancient time ship is of the same design as the ship recently discovered in the Milky Way galaxy by SG-1, on a planet once visited by the Ancients (SG-1: "It's Good To Be King") -- a Puddle Jumper equipped with a "flux capacitor" time manipulation device. Janus no doubt continued his work after he left Atlantis, building at least this one additional functioning ship. It may have been he who was using the ship to study the evolution of the humans on that planet.

During the great war 10,000 years ago, the Atlanteans sent a delegation with their warships in the faint hope of negotiating a truce with the Wraith. This is the first indication that they did, in fact, have large warships and not just tiny Puddle Jumpers.

The Atlanteans were governed by a council, who were apparently quite stern and conservative -- no doubt hardened by years of war with the Wraith, which they had recently given up any hope of winning.

It is apparent that the Ancients maintained colonies throughout the Pegasus Galaxy -- perhaps because they outgrew Atlantis's planet during the millions of years they were there, or because they are explorers at heart (as Dr. Weir observed). (The latter is more likely, as the team in our time have yet to discover any Ancient cities on the planet outside Atlantis.) We know that, in addition to seeding the Pegasus Galaxy with human life, some Ancients also lived among them ("Sanctuary"). Thus the human colonies throughout the galaxy know the Ancients as their ancestors.

Some of these planets also likely did not possess Stargates, otherwise the refugees returning to Atlantis in transport ships could have simply gated into the city.

Janus confirms that humans are the second evolution of the Ancients's form of life, something that has been speculated since the Ancient Ayiana was found frozen in Antarctica nearly three years ago ("Frozen").

The Ancients who last lived in Atlantis 10,000 years ago were not ascended. They were mortal humans who escaped the Wraith by travelling to Earth through the Stargate. They had at some point studied ascension in Atlantis, however ("Hide and Seek"), though it is not clear whether any Ancients had ascended by this time. Some who remained in the Pegasus Galaxy did ascend at some point ("Sanctuary"), either prior to or after the Atlantean's escape.

The Ancients who went to Earth through the Stargate 10,000 years ago likely integrated themselves into ancient human society, and brought more than the story of the city of Atlantis: They likely procreated with humans on Earth, introducing their evolutionarily advanced genes into the human gene pool -- resulting in the rare gene possessed today by Sheppard, Jack O'Neill, and others.


Ok so that basically says, the city of atlantis isnt the only outpost in the pegasus and that they had massive war ships, and that some outposts could be on planets without stargates. Which would make sense, sorta hiding theyre existance from the wraith and others who dont know of its existance. So theres plenty more for them to find ! they just need a ship to find em ! So the 5 stargate addresses the atlantian gave them on theyre previous 'timeline' are useless since theyre protecting local population. So i reckon theres way more atlantian bases to be found with additional facilities for example ship building.... technology labs for say making new shields/ZPMs etc

What you lot think ?

Posted by: Dafmeister Feb 20th 2006, 12:23 PM

QUOTE(MYT @ Feb 20th 2006, 3:52 PM)

Posted by: MYT Feb 20th 2006, 1:21 PM

Yeah true but they still have to find the places... more exploration

Posted by: Lagger Feb 20th 2006, 9:06 PM

QUOTE(Auntie Em! @ Feb 19th 2006, 11:24 AM)

Posted by: shogi Feb 23rd 2006, 9:28 AM

QUOTE(Arcady @ Feb 3rd 2006, 1:31 AM)

Posted by: fan_83 Feb 23rd 2006, 8:22 PM

QUOTE(haikon @ Feb 15th 2006, 2:49 PM)

Posted by: Lagger Feb 26th 2006, 1:17 AM

maybe the asgaurd dont think we need saving

ie we're capable of handling situations by ourselves, and therefore dont need interference.

maybe cause we managed to deal with all hostile situations by ourselves, the asgaurd has made us "allies"

Posted by: JiMz. - Mar 2nd 2006, 9:04 PM

QUOTE(fan_83 @ Feb 24th 2006, 2:22 AM)

Posted by: Revan Mar 2nd 2006, 9:54 PM

If the Asgard swooped in every time we are in trouble it would not make for very interesting stories. We have to fix things for ourselves.

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Mar 3rd 2006, 10:19 AM

QUOTE(JiMz. - @ Mar 2nd 2006, 9:04 PM)

Posted by: fan_83 Mar 4th 2006, 9:41 AM

jimz: so the asgard have to stop working on the cloning problem on their bodies to save themselves, rebuild their civilsation in order ot help us backwards human...

oh my god.. what makes us so great that they have to come and help us... who are we to demand such help from them:

what do we have to offer the asgard in return...wake up and smell reality.. we are not the ultimate most important race in the universe... in the grand scheme of things we are nothing more than ants...

yes I have watched all hte episodes... i would suggest you rewatch the seasons again... you seem to be missing some points

Posted by: JiMz. - Mar 4th 2006, 11:27 AM

At least we are the fifth race

And I prefer that the asgard would leave us alone, so that we would have to figure it out by ourselves, but I believe the asgard owe us something for destroying their enemy for them.

Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 4th 2006, 11:35 AM

Humans are not the fifth race. The Asgard in 'The Fifth Race' said that Humans had taken the first steps towards becoming the fifth race since then they have said nothing of it, therefore Humans still havent become the fifth race.

Posted by: JiMz. - Mar 4th 2006, 11:58 AM

Yes, that's true, but I believe that by now they can call us the fifth race right? Look at how far we came, It is US that have defeated the goa'uld, it is US that have helped the asgard because they couldn't win their battle against the replicaters right?

So I think that we could call ourselves the fifth race (and yes I know they've said that we could become the fifth race)

Anyways, I don't want the asgard to help us, let us find our own way to destroy the wraith. (and the same for the Ori).

And yes, I love their technology, but I find the technology that we have very cool too. Besides, we posses ancient technology now. So I am sure that they will find a solution to defeat the enemy.

So uh,,,,, what about the furlings uh???? No I'm Joking

My apologies for some mistakes in my thoughts, It has been a long time I haven't seen the first seasons of SG-1, therefor sometimes I make mistakes regarding to the history of this show. Anyways they don't even broadcast stargate in the Netherlands, and Stargate Atlantis? I think that most of the people here have never heard of it. You can only buy them in the stores, or if you can receive Sci Fi or Sky One, you can watch it live. They've only broadcasted the first 3 seasons in The Netherlands.

Posted by: fan_83 Mar 4th 2006, 1:12 PM

lol.... we call ourselves the fiftrh race... lol..... we are so fara behind that it isn;t funny..... we can;t even destroy the replicators... it was an ancient weapon that destroyed the replicators...

we defeated teh gould but we are so far technologically that its like we are still in the stone ages...

we have come far but not far enough... we haven;t learned the basics of a lot of things... even the tollans who are much more advanced than us don;t call themselves the fifth race...

tone down on the arrogance please.... we are lucky so far..

Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 4th 2006, 3:32 PM

QUOTE(JiMz. - @ Mar 4th 2006, 4:58 PM)

Posted by: Atlantians Mar 6th 2006, 9:03 PM

We wont be the Fifth Race untill:
1) Unify our world with full knlowledge of the Stargate.
2) Build ships using technology not given to us under operational supervision.
3) Master some facets of Ancient technology that would allow us to effectively Rival the Asgard. If not surpass them.

The thing is: We have the leg up with Ancient tech.

We have had on two occasions a major member of our race recieve all the knowledge of the Ancients, allowing us fundemental clips into Ancient technology, including the fact that they use base eight math primarrily.

Furthermore, we have actual Ancient technology and device to study, with Ancient computers to study and allow us to understand what/how/and why the devices work.

All the Asgard had to study was information extracted from a Database, without actual examples of the tech, or any idea how, why, or for what reason the devices and information therein is for.

So they had raw data, not understanding.

We have more understanding, but less raw data.
Thus we can adapt more to knew Ancient tech, as examplified with McKay.

Furthermore we seem to be far more intelectually adaptive. We can more quickly get the hand of something, this might be because our intelects are not artificially transfered over and over.
We are younger and more creative.

So the Asgard are better to some degree with raw data, but lack in application and effectual understanding.

We lack in raw knowledge, but have the leg up in understanding and effectual aplication.

This means: The Asgard get the knowledge enough to study it and adapt parts to it, but slowly.

We understand the way it works and are able to effectually use it and understand it, but are far from actually grasping it with enough knowledge to make any of it for ourselves or use the knowledge to help us through reverse engineering.

Basically: We can understand it, fix it, and use it great.
The Asgard can adapt it better but only after they grasp it.
The Asgard only had raw data to study with no frame of refference. We have the frame of refference but are having a hard time studying the data. And only our brightest are learning the stuff fast enough to be creative with it, and then only limitedly.
Such as Carter, McKay, and Zelenka.

QUOTE(fan_83 @ Mar 4th 2006, 10:12 AM)

Posted by: fan_83 Mar 7th 2006, 3:50 AM

and you think without teh weapon at dakara we could???

be serious... without the ancient weapon earth would havbe been overruned... and before you say it... an asgard would have been able to calibrate the weapon much faster than sam .....

lol.... we may win a battle against the replicators but we will never win the war... how long do you think earht cna stand against the replicators?
days? weeks ?

do you really think that sam could have come up with that mass scale weapon to destroy the replicators??


the asgard has been fighting them for years.. they may be in capable of our type of thinking but its a natural progression in intellect...

look at the amount of money NASA spent on making a pen that can write upside down when the russians jsut used a pencill..does this means the best mind at NASA are not intellectually adaptive?

we may have ancient tech to use.. but the asgard knows the ancient personally and probably has got hands on explanaiton on theory that we haven't grasped yet... we have devices to play with.. they have got the explanation and has probably played with it before..

they are now focused on the cloning problems and rebuilding their civi

we may become the fifth race someday but that will be thousands of years in the making

Posted by: HAI KON Mar 7th 2006, 3:45 PM

QUOTE(fan_83 @ Mar 7th 2006, 3:50 AM)

Posted by: ArtemisAzar Mar 8th 2006, 5:06 PM

So...I figure Ronon will be the collateral/incentive they'll keep to force McKay to fix any problems they might have.

Posted by: cosmos Mar 10th 2006, 1:03 AM

I think becoming the fifth race is not about how much technology we have acquired over the years, not even a question of whether or not we can do things without the help of the Asguard or other aliens. The four races were an alliance, they came together, helped each other and made things happen. They shaped the world to a point. We have done the same, regardless of how we did it, we helped our allies and shaped the Galaxy to best suit us. In that respect we have become the fifth race already.

Getting back to the episode "Allies" I have a question. I thought to start a new thread but, this is as good a place as any to raise that question.

In the pilot episode, Beckett holds the disembodied Wraith hand and explains to Dr Weir that there is evidence to suggest that the creature that this hand belongs to is extremely old and so persistent to deseases and such that it may never die.

Doesn't that mean that the human parts of the Wraith are extremely old and the only thing that keeps them alive is the Wraith DNA in their system?

So, by removing/inhibiting the Wraith part, shouldn't the result be an extremely old human, instead of a young one (In both case the result was between 25-30s)?

I think that makes sense and that the concept that we have seen so far is flawd. What do you think?

Posted by: nerd101 Mar 10th 2006, 1:37 AM

QUOTE(cosmos @ Mar 9th 2006, 10:03 PM)

Posted by: engle115 Mar 10th 2006, 10:02 PM

great episode is all I can say. I love herm and rodney arguing about who is smarter.

Posted by: Protoziggy90 Mar 10th 2006, 10:16 PM

iv posted this exact question in the stargate sg-1 discussion board, and please answer if u know it...

how many operational ships do we have?

how many damaged?

these include both our hybrids and the ancient ships like the aurora and orion...

Posted by: Atlantians Mar 11th 2006, 12:12 AM

fan_83:
Did you ever take any class in school involving critical thinking?

and you think without teh weapon at dakara we could???
We could what? You forgot the subject of that sentence.

be serious... without the ancient weapon earth would havbe been overruned... and before you say it... an asgard would have been able to calibrate the weapon much faster than sam .....
Like I said: We have more understanding of function and practicality.
Once the Asgard know what they are supposed to do they can do technical things far quicker then we.
Though drastically slower then the Ancients can respectively.
They

lol.... we may win a battle against the replicators but we will never win the war... how long do you think earht cna stand against the replicators?
days? weeks ?
We beat them with modified Ancient technology.
We could not even win battles. It took our Strategy with Asgard technology to defeat the Replicators in battles. Then Ancient technology to defeat them in the war.

do you really think that sam could have come up with that mass scale weapon to destroy the replicators?? the asgard has been fighting them for years.. they may be in capable of our type of thinking but its a natural progression in intellect...
They again have more technical knowledge. And O'neill with Ancient knowledge devised the waepon and used Asgard tech and computers to design one that the ship could pull together.
Again: Practical and immediate understanding we have.
Actual technical and intelectual knowledge of how to acomplish things, the Asgard have.

look at the amount of money NASA spent on making a pen that can write upside down when the russians jsut used a pencill..does this means the best mind at NASA are not intellectually adaptive?
Is that even a true story? Can't remmember.
Besides, maybe if we found Alien species we would want to honor them with cool pen technology.

we may have ancient tech to use.. but the asgard knows the ancient personally and probably has got hands on explanaiton on theory that we haven't grasped yet... we have devices to play with.. they have got the explanation and has probably played with it before..
Again they have the technical understanding and capability. We have directly studied Ancient tech in actual form and not abstract information obtained from a device meant to download the info with understanding directly into a mind, not another computer. They have technical expertise, we have general understanding.

They could build, replicate, and repair any Ancient tech we have got our hands on far faster then we could. But we can understand new tech far faster and do limited things with and to it.

QUOTE(cosmos @ Mar 9th 2006, 10:03 PM)

Posted by: koogtrocity Mar 11th 2006, 1:01 AM

Hey what are you all thinking, Earth isn't well defended. The Prometheus was destroyed bye the Ori, The Odyessee was destroyed by the Ori, The Deadulus is crippled in the Pegasus galaxy, The Russian X-304 is crippled because they all got their ass's kicked by the Ori and now Earth is defensless and pretty fu**ed which could mean the Wraith fighting the Ori.

Posted by: rica0011 Mar 11th 2006, 1:08 AM

Your assuming it was the Odyssey that was destroyed however it wasn't. It unfortunately was the Korelev, you know the ship that the Russians took from us.. haha... I guess you could it say it was ours still though, I mean we did fund it.

Anywho there is no way the wraith will make it to Earth. I'm sure the Orion will be waiting for them right before they take their next jump into hyperspace before "attempting" to make it to Earth. Even if they got the Aurora mission files, there is no way they could improve their hyperdrives that fast in order to be able to make it to Earth, but I could be wrong. Still, I just don't think the Wraith will make it.

Posted by: Jack_Mackle Mar 11th 2006, 1:39 AM

I agree, yet I don?t think that the Wraith would make it at all. And if they did, the Orion would then gain knowledge about Atlantis and try to turn the Pegasus Galaxy to Origin.

Posted by: Revan Mar 11th 2006, 1:54 AM

QUOTE(Protoziggy90 @ Mar 10th 2006, 10:16 PM)

Posted by: I'm a janitor at the SGC 715 Mar 11th 2006, 2:25 AM

Great Episode. Great special effects. Its about time we saw more F-302 action.
Dr. Weir should be FIRED. What the heck were they thinking. Alliance with the wraith?!?! They can't be trusted!!!! I mean Wier should have known that the wraith were giving her too much information. Here's what they should have done: Put a warhead on a jumper. Cloak the jumper. Have jumper crash into ship. And have Daedoulous beam Sheppard out at the last minute. They would have never seen it coming and would not have had time to tell the other wraith.

Why didn't we test to see if we could beam a bomb aboard one of the wraith hive ships other than the one we were allied with....for example they could have done it on the one our allied wraith failed to destroy.

I'm guessing its going to take the Wraith a longer time to get to Earth than our ship does because its slower. I'm guessing the Orion is going to destroy the Wraith hive ship because the Ori just destroyed one of our ships and the other one is probably busy fighting the Ori and the Jaffa just lost a lot of ships and the Asgard probably don't have any ships to spare. So earth is probably open to attack if the Wraith make it there. It will be interesting to see how we win this.

Posted by: Trudi~ Mar 11th 2006, 8:50 AM

I really don't think it would have been that easy, besides it's not all Weir's fault. Sheppard, Beckett, Mckay, Ronon, they all went along with it. Weir looks to them for guidance sometimes and this time no one helped. But anyway it was a great episode. 9/10

Posted by: Historywiz Mar 11th 2006, 11:22 AM

Hah! I give it a 10.

Posted by: Revan Mar 11th 2006, 11:45 AM

QUOTE(Trudi~ @ Mar 11th 2006, 8:50 AM)

Posted by: lingling Mar 11th 2006, 3:01 PM

Idk, it could only be the two Wraith ships now but maybe they will get allies as well. If they attack Earth now, when the Earth vesseles are occupied with the Supergate than they just might destroy Earth, besides The Prometheus and Daudelus class vessels dont do a lot of damage. The Jafa ships.....well idk they might hold their own to protect Earth, and the Azgaurd well they just rock anyway. I think the human team on Atlantis is loosing it for actually letting the Wraith info on more than a few computers even if they were checked for viruses.

Posted by: Gotanks Mar 11th 2006, 3:01 PM

QUOTE(I'm a janitor at the SGC 715 @ Mar 11th 2006, 8:25 AM)

QUOTE(lingling @ Mar 11th 2006, 9:01 PM)

Posted by: fan_83 Mar 11th 2006, 3:49 PM

[quote name='Atlantians' date='Mar 11th 2006, 12:12 AM' post='377986']
fan_83:
Did you ever take any class in school involving critical thinking?

and you think without teh weapon at dakara we could???
We could what? You forgot the subject of that sentence.
let me phrase it anotehr way... if we are as good as you say... do yo uthink that earth could have defeated the replicators without any help from ancient technology.. that means the weapon at dakara and the ancient knowledge require to build the bug zapper???

be serious... without the ancient weapon earth would havbe been overruned... and before you say it... an asgard would have been able to calibrate the weapon much faster than sam .....
Like I said: We have more understanding of function and practicality.
Once the Asgard know what they are supposed to do they can do technical things far quicker then we.
Though drastically slower then the Ancients can respectively.
They


lol.... we may win a battle against the replicators but we will never win the war... how long do you think earht cna stand against the replicators?
days? weeks ?
We beat them with modified Ancient technology.
We could not even win battles. It took our Strategy with Asgard technology to defeat the Replicators in battles. Then Ancient technology to defeat them in the war.

thats right we beat them using ancient tech... without that tech we are all bug dust by now... thats the plroblem... we are still dependent on knowledge taht we don;t understand

do you really think that sam could have come up with that mass scale weapon to destroy the replicators?? the asgard has been fighting them for years.. they may be in capable of our type of thinking but its a natural progression in intellect...
They again have more technical knowledge. And O'neill with Ancient knowledge devised the waepon and used Asgard tech and computers to design one that the ship could pull together.
Again: Practical and immediate understanding we have.
Actual technical and intelectual knowledge of how to acomplish things, the Asgard have.

you keep saying that we are practical and yet it takes ancient knowledge to build an effective weapon against the bugs... take out the ancient knowledge factor and where do you think earth and the milky way be at?

look at the amount of money NASA spent on making a pen that can write upside down when the russians jsut used a pencill..does this means the best mind at NASA are not intellectually adaptive?
Is that even a true story? Can't remmember.
Besides, maybe if we found Alien species we would want to honor them with cool pen technology.

thats a true story that my lecturer told me about.. so let me ask again does this means that the best minds in NASA are incapable of practical thinking?? this question has basically defeated your premise that we are much more practical than the asgard

we may have ancient tech to use.. but the asgard knows the ancient personally and probably has got hands on explanaiton on theory that we haven't grasped yet... we have devices to play with.. they have got the explanation and has probably played with it before..
Again they have the technical understanding and capability. We have directly studied Ancient tech in actual form and not abstract information obtained from a device meant to download the info with understanding directly into a mind, not another computer. They have technical expertise, we have general understanding.

They could build, replicate, and repair any Ancient tech we have got our hands on far faster then we could. But we can understand new tech far faster and do limited things with and to it.

lol... after nearly 10 years.. carter still hasn;t fully grasped all the mechanics of the stargate yet... and shes the best earth has got.. we are basically running and stumbling and praying that when we fall its not on something very very sharp...

we do understand the theory..and thats it.. only thery not the underlying principle.. how many times have carter modify her theory regarding the stargate when faced with a situation thats not accounted for in her theory.... we are all making the assumption that carter's theory is accurate as the underlying principle making any advanced equipment work...

thats where we will fail...

Posted by: Jack_Mackle Mar 11th 2006, 4:57 PM

I still think that once the Wraith shows up in the Milky Way, that the Ori will learn of them, then head to Atlantis.

So for the Ori to not know about Atlantis, Dr McKay has to save his friend Talin (did I use the right name???) then make both Wraith ships blowup.

Posted by: koogtrocity Mar 11th 2006, 5:45 PM

Hey how do u know that the Korolev was destroyed and the Odyssee wasnt, the Korolev had mitchell, jackson and checkov on it, and all the Odyessee has was the colonel on board.

Posted by: Revan Mar 11th 2006, 7:32 PM

QUOTE(Jack_Mackle @ Mar 11th 2006, 4:57 PM)

Posted by: IndyJan Mar 11th 2006, 10:22 PM

Okay, even though I thought the episode was predictable, I enjoyed it very much.

It was predictable in that you knew they shouldn't trust the Wraith. I knew that somehow, someway the Wraith would get something into their computer system.

For those who think that the Wraith will get to the MW and end up fighting the Ori, it won't happen until and when SG or Atlantis end. I'm sorry there is no way that the writers are going to have both the Ori and the Wraith come to the MW. Both shows would end.

As far as the Wraith, I don't think the 2 hive ships are actually on their way to the MW, at least not yet. I think that they are on their way to meet up with some other hive ships, so that they will have an armada to take to the MW. So it looks like Shep, who somehow, someway is on one of those ships will have to save the day. I know it may not sound plausible, but I'm wondering if Michael will help in someway.

The funny moments were McKay and Hemriod(sp) competing for smarts! Hem: "I'll make sure you are credited with assiting." that was so funny, especially the look on Rodney's face.

I liked that Zelenka had a much bigger part in this storyline. Does anyone remember the original Outer Limits? There was a storyline about aliens coming to Earth to make friends. They gave us a book about themselves to read. It took awhile to do. In the meantime, humans were transported to spaceships and a supposed visit to the aliens planet. The punchline was, once the book was translated, there was nothing to be done. The book was "A cookbook!" for humans. When Zelenka began speaking in Czhec, that was what I thought of, as did my husband. In fact, he said, "It's a cookbook!" And with the Wraith it actually was.

Finally Carson spoke to Weir about the moral issue about turning the Wraith into humans and for food for the other Wraith. It was nice to see theat Weir isn't 100% right with it, but there really wasn't much else she could do. I also liked that she asked for input from everyone before making the decision.

Finally, once again Rodney's arrogance got them into trouble. He was so sure that he had set everything up on the hive ship and could control everything. Maybe this time he will learn.

Posted by: tauri129 Mar 11th 2006, 10:25 PM

wow. this was an amazing episode! really strong way to end the season.
mckay and hermiod are so funny together! that is the sassiest asgard i have ever seen. i love it when he mutters to himself in asgard i also loved it when shepperd and mckay gave that joint presentation and then looked so proud of themselves at the end. LOL
my only problem is that i somehow feel like the retrovirus has been finished too quickly. i mean, its only the second season and we've already found a way to neutralize our biggest enemy?
other than that, bring on season three!

and on a completely different subject, i saw some post farther back talking about the hot zone virus creators, and i saw on gateworld that

Posted by: Revan Mar 11th 2006, 11:09 PM

QUOTE(tauri129 @ Mar 11th 2006, 10:25 PM)

wow. this was an amazing episode! really strong way to end the season.
mckay and hermiod are so funny together! that is the sassiest asgard i have ever seen. i love it when he mutters to himself in asgard i also loved it when shepperd and mckay gave that joint presentation and then looked so proud of themselves at the end. LOL
my only problem is that i somehow feel like the retrovirus has been finished too quickly. i mean, its only the second season and we've already found a way to neutralize our biggest enemy?
other than that, bring on season three!

and on a completely different subject, i saw some post farther back talking about the hot zone virus creators, and i saw on gateworld that

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we're going to meet them in season three

Posted by: Cindy Mar 12th 2006, 1:11 AM

I loved this episode seriously, but I just hate how the producers have cut off the ending at the most cruciall point. And now we are going to have to wait months before we se what has happened to John and Earth.
Its killing me

Posted by: rkenshin Mar 12th 2006, 1:29 AM

I haven't gone through all the posts but I believe that the two Wraith ships are headed to the one place where they could get a star drive capable of crossing galaxies..

The one inside of the Ancient city from the episode "The Tower" (this being the case as they downloaded all their mission reports before destroying their hive ship schematics via their virus)

I mean they gave them a radio in case they needed help, so if it's true, it'll sorta be like SG-1 7x02

Posted by: Revan Mar 12th 2006, 2:08 AM

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Posted by: That Chevron Guy Mar 12th 2006, 9:03 PM

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Posted by: jacksworld Mar 13th 2006, 5:23 PM

I loved this episode, not to mention did i love the rivalry between rodney and hermiod...i was laughing my as off when the two of them were working together

Posted by: Hermiod Mar 13th 2006, 5:33 PM

Posted by: Revan Mar 13th 2006, 8:53 PM

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Posted by: xocotl Mar 14th 2006, 4:58 AM

earth has a cair full of drones but no zpm to power it

Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 14th 2006, 6:05 AM

Actually it has never been said that there are still drones in Antartica, that is specualtion at this point.

Posted by: Revan Mar 15th 2006, 3:41 AM

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Posted by: Jade Mar 15th 2006, 5:15 AM

After finish watching both SG1 and SGA for this season, I will say overall, I liked Atlantis better, the stories were more consistent throught out the season, I enjoyed most episodes this Season, thanks to the actors, Mackay, Rodney, Weir and Sheppard (not sure how to spell all their real names). They were all really good this yr

But SG1 finale were alot better, better cliff hanger by a mile!

Only one episode I really didn't like this yr is Michael, it was just bad, too stupid revealing Atlantis to the Wraith-too unbelivable for me

PS: I really don't think the Wraith will make it to our galaxy. Way too confusing!

Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 15th 2006, 6:16 AM

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Posted by: cosmos Mar 15th 2006, 4:40 PM

Very good episode but these clifhangers are killing me.

One original way to go with the story after that, would be for Season 3 episode 1 however it happens the Wraith threat is eliminated, Ronan and MacKay are saved but Sheppard is nowhere to be seen. Seemingly has nothing to do with what transpires there. The first episode ends with the idea that he was indeed killed during his last engagement. In the second episode we follow his perspective from the moment he left Deadalus and a personal Odyssey to find his way home. In the third episode they all get reunited.

I bet all my money that this framework of a story is not going to happen but still I leave it open for the future for the writers to work on the details.

About the episode, I realise that to a certain point they did not have much of a choice but to trust them that much was very naive of them, especially MacKay for a genius his judgement oftens gets a bit off. And on another note to produce humans out of Wraiths for the seer purpose of leaving them helpless to be fed upon is totally immoral. If you think about it it is no different than transforming a civilisation into children and killing them in their sleep.

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Mar 15th 2006, 4:45 PM

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Posted by: 38_mins moo Mar 15th 2006, 5:44 PM

Great episode. Not so much a cliffhanger as in SG1 but still left me wishing the next season started next week! How cool does the orion look! I love the way sheppard motivates mckay!

Posted by: stargate loyal fan Mar 16th 2006, 2:07 PM

does anybody think we will/will not see liutenant ford again and when????

Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 16th 2006, 2:48 PM

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Posted by: puseyuk Mar 16th 2006, 2:55 PM

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Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 16th 2006, 3:12 PM

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And why the hell not? The worst a prior can do is spout crap from the book of origin. Where as, the Wraith would just be straight in there with the hand to the chest and start lifesucking.

That would be totally totally sweet to see that done in an episode.

Posted by: puseyuk Mar 16th 2006, 3:23 PM

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Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 16th 2006, 3:34 PM

The Priors' telekinetic abilites mean that his opponent's strength means nothing as he could "push" any Wraith away before they got close to him. There is no way for a Wraith to get anywhere near a Prior let alone close enough to feed from him.

Posted by: puseyuk Mar 16th 2006, 3:43 PM

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Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 16th 2006, 3:48 PM

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Posted by: puseyuk Mar 16th 2006, 4:09 PM

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Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 16th 2006, 4:16 PM

How do you know that the Prior couldnt create a shield to protect himself? Even if he couldnt do that, he would notice that the Wraith had a weapon and would stop the Wraith from getting to a position where it could be a threat with or without weapon. Since the likelyhood of the Wraithever meeting the Priors is negligable, we'll never find out.

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Mar 16th 2006, 4:19 PM

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Posted by: puseyuk Mar 16th 2006, 4:27 PM

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Posted by: hobo_joe20 Mar 16th 2006, 5:02 PM

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Posted by: Auntie Em! Mar 16th 2006, 7:08 PM

Before the Prior sent those Jaffa on their lovely long distance ride they tried to SHOOT him with their energy based staff weapons and those had no effect on the Prior and the SHIELD he can create with his staff. So your idea that the Priors cannot handle energy based weapons is well....baseless.

Posted by: neb220 Mar 17th 2006, 1:00 AM

From what iv heard i doubt the wraith will ever make contact with the ori becuase the writers want sg1 and sga storylines to remain different........... and if it did the ori would deffffffff win, the ancients only lost becuase they lacked numbers, but the ori dont, and they seem to have better sheilds......so i wonder what will happen to prevent the wraith ships from getting too earth, what about the team getting the enzyme (or how ever u spell it) to affect the wraith, or mckay doing something to there ships systems, virus, etc. what do u all think

Posted by: HAI KON Mar 17th 2006, 4:39 AM

QUOTE(Auntie Em! @ Mar 16th 2006, 7:08 PM)

Before the Prior sent those Jaffa on their lovely long distance ride they tried to SHOOT him with their energy based staff weapons and those had no effect on the Prior and the SHIELD he can create with his staff. So your idea that the Priors cannot handle energy based weapons is well....baseless.

Posted by: Halb Mar 17th 2006, 7:19 AM

My take on the Ancients losing to the Wraith is not primarily down to numbers (though that might have contributed to the Ancients jettisoning to the Milky Way above schedule) but to philosophy. The Ancients won every battle, and yes the wraith were numerous. But I get the feel that Ancients don't seem to have been as aggressive as modern humans. They stayed in their cities to work on various projects and allowed the Wraith to be the aggressor. This might be to do with the Ancients being on their way to ascension. If your goal to to leave the material world, then why be aggressive to your enemy? Just jump ship and then concentrate on ascending.

Posted by: HAI KON Mar 17th 2006, 9:45 AM

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Posted by: peter_pan Mar 17th 2006, 12:40 PM

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Posted by: hobo_joe20 Mar 17th 2006, 1:27 PM

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Posted by: peter_pan Mar 17th 2006, 3:12 PM

If you hit it at a decent speed you would do some damage, a bullet isn?t very big but it can do lots of damage when it hits something.

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Mar 17th 2006, 3:37 PM

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Posted by: dr lee Mar 17th 2006, 4:00 PM

i'm not sure if it's been commented on already but i've read an interview with Connor Trinner that has him stating that although Brent Strait was the person in the make-up on-screen it was his voice that we all heard.

Unfortunatly the source that i got this from is Gateworld, and we all know how great Gateworld is don't we? . I don't know if there is anywhere else that has this bit of info so i could be wrong in saying this.

Posted by: neb220 Mar 17th 2006, 5:57 PM

As it was brought up by someone earlyer our weapons mostly seem inefective because they get intercepted by the wraith darts. And using a shield to ram a wraith hive wouldnt work, the sheild would disperse the inpact from both sides, and eventually our ships would break apart from the force

Posted by: tinydancer Mar 17th 2006, 8:01 PM

What a cliffie ...

Although, I think it unlikely that they'll actually reach Earth with Sheppard and McKay on board. Still, it would be cool if like, the Asguard were to rock up and open some major Whoop Ass on them. But it's doubtful.

Great episode!

Posted by: Parmenides Mar 17th 2006, 8:21 PM

Wowzers! This was epic! Far preferred this to SG-1's finale - the only superb thing about Camelot was the ending, whereas Allies was consistent throughout.

I actually believed (for the most part) that the Wraith would honour their word, and (given how cynical I am), that's some hella' good writing! (even though the ending had been spoiled for me... )

It was very chilling to see the Wraith walking freely through Atlantis...though this was tempered by the hilarity of everyone's reactions to having to work with them! Weir portrayed qualities actually becoming of a leader, which is a rarity, and her quick-thinking on the non-networked computer gave her more brownie points!

The cliffhanger was okay...I mean, it's quite tense...but not as much as it would've been in years past. Wow, two Wraith ships - we should be able to handle that (well...maybe not... ); it was nowhere near as dramatic as the SG-1 'hanger though.

....and now we play the waiting game...

Posted by: Alley Mar 18th 2006, 8:19 AM

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Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 18th 2006, 8:25 AM

'Allies' is the final episode of season 2. The first episode of season 3 airs in July in the US and October in the UK.

Posted by: Alley Mar 18th 2006, 8:26 AM

QUOTE(mrnobody @ Jan 31st 2006, 3:33 AM)

Posted by: vwrestler171 Mar 19th 2006, 2:17 AM

I just saw a repeat of this episode and it kicked ass, although I hate cliffhangers like this.Oh well guess I have to wait for July to see what ahappens

Posted by: master_shake Mar 20th 2006, 1:23 AM

Look I don't care what anything body say the wraith the PLAYED us. I know they sad that they would tell all the other wraith if we didn't help them but for real the wraith PLAYED us. I mean and the thing that got me the most is that trusted them. I mean except for when tayla remember they are the wraith no body questioned them. I mean McKay hopped a an acted like evey this was all cool, and that's crazy. As scary as he is. I know we're goning to win in the end, but I would have to walk around with my head down for a wild if I was Shep because of how bad I got PLAYED. I can't think of one time when the goa'ud just got over on us like that. All I got to say is : Shep step your game up baby!!!!!! And I hope u get at them in season 3.

Posted by: shogi Mar 21st 2006, 9:22 AM

Not sure if this has been mentioned before (apologies if it has ), but do you think the Wraith ship they were looking to deploy the retrovirus was the same ship which joined up with the friendly Wraith ship when they attacked the Daedalus class ship as soon as it came out of the hyperdrive??

QUOTE(Source @ Feb 1st 2006, 8:35 PM)

Posted by: Auntie Em! Mar 21st 2006, 10:33 AM

Yes. I think that was just part of the rouse (sp?). Those ships are mostly bio and self healing. It would be like taking a couple of knocks to leave some bruises to "prove" you were assaulted. They did that to make the Atlantis team believe them more and gain some level of trust. Which seemed to have worked well I think.

Posted by: shogi Mar 21st 2006, 11:50 AM

It has been mentioned in a lot of posts.......don't worry the Orion + Daedalus will take care of the 2 Hive ships on the way to Earth BUT when Shep asked McKay whether the shields + hyperdrive + weapons were up & running he said yes to all but the weapons.

Now my understanding was that as soon as the Hive ship made contact with Atlantis & it was decided we would form an alliance, the Daedalus came straight back & the Orion was left just out of sensor range....when did McKay have a chance to fix Orion's weapons (he DEF gave a negative response when Shep asked him 1st time round). Once the alliance was formed he ONLY worked with the Wraith & their ship.