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Posted by: UltimateW Feb 1st 2005, 6:39 PM

John Rambo to the rescue!

On the serious side, there are some pretty cool ideas on how this will end, I like the fact that none has express the idea of Sheppard completing his task. All in all it didn't help troll this thread on my first conclusion, I still hate cliffhangers hehe.

Posted by: prometheus Feb 1st 2005, 6:58 PM

tell me if im crazy but don't the troops that come through almost look british with their red berret hats and all...i thought they looked british

Posted by: SkyDragon Feb 1st 2005, 6:58 PM

Man, you guys need to understand that these Atlantis episodes are being shown too early. The latest SG-1 episodes are being shown on Sky One in the UK, and that's at "The Reckoning part 2" (Season 8 Episode 16), whilst we just saw "The Siege part 2" (Season 1 Episode 20).

The episodes are out-of-sync. If you are in the UK, you should watch StarGate with Sky One (And not download them if you want to enjoy SG to the fullest), because Sky One are showing them correctly, i.e. they're showing ep. 8x16 with Atlantis ep. 1x16, so since the next episode of Atlantis is the "Letters from Pegasus" episode (1x17), I think it's safe to safe that we'll see the SG-1 team talk about it in SG-1 in eps. 8x17 or 8x18 (I'd bet on 8x18) - But this damn Canadian channel showing Atlantis eps early to the world has just screwed it up for the less intelligent among us, even though you CAN watch and understand Atlantis all the way up to the Siege without having to worry about how SG-1 managed to sent a new military contingent etc, because you'll find out the details when new SG-1 is shown!

If you're going to carry on whining, you shouldn't have watched SG episodes out of sync then!

Posted by: penguinpimp42 Feb 1st 2005, 8:09 PM

I have an idea, of course, just an idea, I doubt it would paly out.....

Posted by: Tragic Feb 1st 2005, 9:04 PM

My thoughts is tha, Those people are not from the stargate command, They just didn't seem too right. Did anyone else get that feeling?

Posted by: PokeThePuddle Feb 1st 2005, 9:09 PM

Way cool episode... Finally some actual weapons on Atlantis itself--though, I wouldn't mind trading all of them and the ammo for equivolent number of squid-drones.

I think Sheppard will LIVE. maybe teleported from the jumper or some kind of escape pod from the jumper.

Speculation on JUMPERS w/ teleporters and other stuff: For a race that created mini-halo-but-on-a-planet-hidden-as-a-temple, the Ancients must have thought of a way to safely exit from anything in an emergency situation; i.e., they escaped doom on Earth via Atlantis, they escaped from Atlantis via stargate, and they extinction through ascension.

SO THEY MUST HAVE SOMETHING UP THEIR NON-CORPOREAL SLEEVES. Or, I'm sure that they--anyone who wants Atlantis the way it is--will pull something out of their collective asses to ensure that nothing horribly wrong happens.


Anyhow, it'd be funny if Sheppard gets back just in time to shoot Colonel Everettes they same way he shot Colonel Sumner

Posted by: zpm Feb 1st 2005, 10:21 PM

Yup that was an awsome episode, did anyone else notice the extra CGI? (where the camera would zoom in and show different parts of atlantis) I cant actully remember seeing that in any other episode anyway I think its cool.

Posted by: prometheus Feb 1st 2005, 10:34 PM

yeah the way they did that was really cool cause they went out of the control tower panned over the city then over to the other building where the chair weapon was. that was really cool
poke the puddle thats what i was saying it looks like everett gets screwed the same way sumner did hehe yeah he could get shot the same way sumner did
but that troops not from earth im telling you its like their british!! the red berret hats just don't cut it for me...too non-US so british looking
fricked 3 part episode...gawRRRR maybe 4 parter cause the season openers usually have 2 parts but at least they play them together oy silly atlantis...so mean

Posted by: Christy Feb 1st 2005, 11:12 PM

those hats did make them look silly...and they were too...marinish...like yes sir, no sir, 2 bags full sir...they have no personality.
I'm glad that Everette finally shows Weir some respect at the end and she gets to keep her chair.

Posted by: zpm Feb 1st 2005, 11:52 PM

I thought the accent of the guy leading the troops was annoying. And whats wrong with the British lol (im British btw)

Posted by: rosero Feb 2nd 2005, 12:34 AM

The thing i don't get is that it was the seige part II, therefore they would conclude part I to have a TBC on a part II your just toying with me. However it was the best SGA ep yet, i liked all the explosions! can't wait until Season 2

Posted by: Christy Feb 2nd 2005, 12:56 AM

i'm glad that they had a lot of action in this episode but it did get kinda boring with everything just...repeating itself...
but there should have been more damage to the structure of Atlantis...i mean, really, with all the weapon fire there would have been quite a lot of hits on Atlantis and therefore more damage so that was kinda unbelievable to me and so i had trouble getting into it for awhile there.
As i've already said, it was a great start and with him finally warming to Weir, very good.
I'm not liking how they came in took charge and everything had to be done their way...so the people we're used to seeing weren't really there...they didn't really have much to say.
Didn't like the fact that they didn't mention the people who had been taken away by the Wraith...the ones on the balcony firing the weapons and were taken away by one of the darts.

Posted by: Danimoth Feb 2nd 2005, 1:46 AM

You people do realise that those marines that went through were not exactly from the SGC. Didn't you listen when he (leader) introduced himself? He said he was a United States Marine Corp. That's why they wore different clothing, and didn't seem like your average SG unit.

Also, as if the Daedalus is going to be a Asgard built ship. If you watch this episode you would have heard McCay say that it was a SISTER SHIP of the Prometheus.

Posted by: ted_simple Feb 2nd 2005, 6:05 AM

ok, well just watched the episode and it was a big disappointment.

Unrealistic to the point of pulling my hair out.

the new commander comes through with no corresponding mention in sg1, the man seems like an a**hole that o'neil would never put in charge, the written orders are never opened (on screen), his rude demeanor and insistance on finding the alpha site seem suspicious (i'll go into that later), the space mines were a ridiculous idea and doomed to failure from the word go, marines shooting hand held machine guns at the lightning fast darts seems like a waste of ammo and a stupid idea, they'd never hit them.

It all seems a little coincidental that the colonel arrives just in time, brings weapons and orders from oneil (with no mention of any of this in sg1 episodes), the mark II naquata generator is a piece od s**t, the cooperation of the jennai is unrealistic they wouldn't give up their nukes (just look at the US or any other country with nukes) the new jennai commander with no explanation, no daedalus (i'm sure was mentioned in prevoius episodes somewhere sg1 / atlantis) btu not with any decent upgrades or with a mission to atlantis.

Finally he predicaments all the main characters find themselves in and the general nature of the episode speaks to me as a freaky pointless test by the Ancients to see if the humans are worthy of atlantis (too far fetched i know :-(). + WAy too much happened in 1 episode ... the wraith, the jennai, earth, all the plans, and failures, all the sacrifies by main characters ... wierd.

Well aside from all that i can't wait to find out what happens, and i'll reserve formal judgement until the end of sg1 season 8 and the new season of atlantis.

Eon Blue

ok i'm a die hard stargate fan so please don't take any of my comments to heart or badly, i'm probably just a little frustrated AT THE CLIFF HANGER. let me know what u thin of any of these issues. + i miss RDA's humour in atlantis, and dr. beckett is my fav character.

Posted by: Cuokuo Feb 2nd 2005, 7:00 AM

AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate those pricks for making us wait another season to find out how they save themselves this time thought it was clearly obvious towards the end that it was going to be continued


This ep was heaps good, liked the special effects. And that new Evertt guy seemed like a wanker to start off with he turned out to be kinda alright.

Also, we all know that Sheppard wont die, the question is how he gets out of it.

Anywaz when does the next season air?? its gonna be a painful wait

Anyone got guesses how they're gonna finish the third ep

Posted by: Mental Case Feb 2nd 2005, 8:56 AM

Aww now I have to go into hibernation for months

Also I'm sad that the colonel is probably dead. Atlantis really could use a proper military figure like that in the next season because I think I prefer Weir in the secondary negotiator role judging from this episode with just part of the command...

Well I look forward to the next EP, shame its going to be so long before we see it.

Posted by: SG-A Feb 2nd 2005, 9:47 AM

Aww now I have to go into hibernation for months

Also I'm sad that the colonel is probably dead. Atlantis really could use a proper military figure like that in the next season because I think I prefer Weir in the secondary negotiator role judging from this episode with just part of the command...

Well I look forward to the next EP, shame its going to be so long before we see it.

Posted by: FreshPez Feb 2nd 2005, 10:46 AM

The berets made em look like UK paratroopers I thought. The uniforms were the new marine uniforms for city fighting. They knew what they were getting into.

As for Sheppard living, I'm pretty sure the nuke won't go off.

Now that the atlanteans have the reinforcements and the ship, I want them to go kick some Genii ass. I had a speech for weir to make when she was blindfolded.

"What have you got, a few thousand people? No Nukes yet? I come from a planet of 6 billion, with explorers all over our galaxy, allies, and with starships on the way. We've dealt with enemies far worse then you, and soon my planet will have it's reinforcements here. You've just had to deal with 200 of us, but there's more on the way and we're the true heirs of atlantis. So I suggest you DON"T fu** WITH US."

The Genii are great villans, I hate em good. Really want to see Atlantis fu** em up. Calling em terrorists, stealing everything atlantis doesn't have bolted down, trying to steal atlantis. I really hate em good.

Posted by: donbernd Feb 2nd 2005, 12:37 PM

My first post here so hi everyone

after watching the final episode i must admit that there are many ways this could go on especially with sheppard .
He got the ancient gene and is willing to give his life away to prevent the wraith from getting control over atlantis getting all the technology which would make them most likely a much bigger threat to every galaxy out there ....... maybe the ancients will make or offer him ascention as they did to daniel jackson and prevent him that way from getting killed .... maybe the left ancient he met in a former episode will interfer .
At least im quite sure he will survive his sucide mission somehow or be brought back a couple of episodes later .
The asgaard are able to travel through galaxies like the daedalus is about to and they might be brought in as well because they know that the ancient technology is beyond their own and i guess they are wise enough to let them not fall into the hands of any species like the wraith .
maybe the information about the wraith attack and the lost city of the ancients was shared with them (who should earth ask for help after getting this information else then the asgaard ? ) and i definitly hope that they will crossink sg1 and atlantis on that part so that we will also see the transmission atlantis send to earth and the reaction on that .
we will see on the next episodes of sg1 .

btw have i mentioned that i hate waiting

Posted by: Evo Feb 2nd 2005, 2:21 PM

Just finished watching the show. It was soooo coool. I like the part when the gate activated and the reinforcements came. It would have been better if O'Neill were there..

I hate cliffhangers...

Posted by: Drizzt's Syn Feb 2nd 2005, 5:25 PM

Meh...CG was nice, good action. But the whole two-parter didn't really work for me.

I'm glad I decided to watch this and not wait for SG-1 to catch up, as Earth's arrival was n't all to spectacular anyway...I was hoping for at least one SG-1 cast member...

Posted by: feidaaja Feb 2nd 2005, 5:48 PM

I thought there was something odd about the Marines.. Not sure if they came from SGC... Well , anyway good episode , if good means 5 months suffering

Posted by: prometheus Feb 2nd 2005, 6:34 PM

theres nothing wrong with the british i was just saying that those hats look like them thats all

Posted by: Pitry Feb 2nd 2005, 7:44 PM

Wow. That was definitely the best Atlantis episode (two of 'em) up-to-date. Was it just me or did Everrett sound like an advert anouncer?
...and now we see where all that money goes to. Pyrotechnics! Hehe.

...They killed Grodin. NO! You don't kill chevron guys, you noursh them and let them bloom and enjoy the sunshine. I thought the other guy would get it. Bah. Oh and hte multiple plotlines - great call - they should do this more often. These two episodes were so packed they felt like 4, not two! (might be the fact I watched the two parts and then the two parts of Reckoning tho.)

..Huge thumb up.

Oh. And they're nasty evil bastards. I don't want to wait fove months! bah.

Posted by: Hoostie Feb 2nd 2005, 8:54 PM

Man, that was a good episode. The guys from earth were about to piss me off. I thought that episode was the best of Atlantis yet. The show just keeps getting better and better as it goes. I am so mad that I have to wait to find out what happens.

Posted by: Cocopuff Feb 2nd 2005, 10:40 PM

I have to say this was a great ending to the season. Though I'm kind of annoyed that I have to wait several months before we see what happens to Atlantis and it's defenders. I just hope the coronel got wacked, he really pissed me off. He was freaking arrogant. We shall all wait with great anticipation the premiere of season 2.

Posted by: dr_n_tesla Feb 2nd 2005, 11:31 PM

Great Ep all up, though there is only one thing that bothered me. The cgi for the railgun projectiles were too slow. I shall talk more about this in Nitpicking.
http://www.sg1archive.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10638&view;=findpost&p;=264650

I think the strategy for the mines was pretty bad, they should have done what I suggested in one of the spoiler threads. To use stealth mode to plant the bombs on the hive ships' hulls and arm them via timer, which is what they would have done to deploy them since you wouldn't want the proximity fuse to activate while deploying from the Puddle Jumper. Then again, we weren't expecting asteroids hehehe. It seems all bad guys think alike as Anubis sort of did the same thing with Earth.

Some how I don't think we'll rescue the "culled" marines, we've got bigger problems to deal with first.

McKay mentioned that the Daedalus is the "Sister Ship" of Prometheus and that he was surpised at how quickly they were able to construct it. Some people think it will be a totally Asgard ship, but I think that would be impractical for humans to operate. I believe that it will be similar to the BC-303, obviously with better everything hehehe. We humans still rely heavily on good old fashioned push buttons! Hopefully it won't look like as sh!tty as the BC-303, perhaps add a few more curves.

Posted by: prometheus Feb 3rd 2005, 1:06 AM

lol of course the projectiles are too slow...if it wasn't like that then it wouldn't look cool and they'd get lower ratings and we just can't have that now can we? but im with you on that make those damn ships look better...geez ugly looking things
sometimes i wish i could change my user name

Posted by: wemery73 Feb 3rd 2005, 1:48 AM

Great cliff hanger
Can't wait to see season 2

Posted by: Cuokuo Feb 3rd 2005, 2:44 AM

When does the next season start??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: MrThor Feb 3rd 2005, 4:05 AM

just my 2 cents.. if they wanted defend atlantis at all cost.. they would have sent 10000 soldiers instead of 50! hmm...
oh good episode.. sux we have to wait that long to find out the conclusion... oh well just like season 1 sg1...humbug!

Posted by: SG-A Feb 3rd 2005, 4:49 AM

just my 2 cents.. if they wanted defend atlantis at all cost.. they would have sent 10000 soldiers instead of 50! hmm... 
oh good episode.. sux we have to wait that long to find out the conclusion... oh well just like season 1 sg1...humbug!

Posted by: Raz Feb 3rd 2005, 3:34 PM

WHAT AN EPISODE (both parts included!). BUT WHAT A STUPID WAY TO END IT!! I absolutely hate cliffhangers! They are good but really BAD! lol
Brilliant episode, brilliant visual effects, brilliant everything! I still don't think this episode rivals SG-1 Reckoning parts 1 and 2 cos that episode was the BOMB! still Atlantis gets 9/10 whereas the Reckoning eps get 10/10!

Posted by: warlord Feb 3rd 2005, 4:02 PM

...and now we see where all that money goes to. Pyrotechnics! Hehe.

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Posted by: Pitry Feb 3rd 2005, 5:34 PM

*shudders at the above comment*

Oh, one comment I forgot in my original post. Man, they should stop letting Sheppard near Wraith prisoners. Okay, so it was amidst all the action and suspense and everything, but to raise the moral dilemmas issue again... You don't tortue (and yeah, shooting him multiple times is considered tortue) and murder your prisoners, even if they're Wraith.

Sorry but the entire flip-over on moral issues in the show really bothers me. The thing is about SG1, even when it was a Goa'uld, and I think everyone would agree the Goa'uld have aboutt he same moral basis as the Wraith, SGC kept their bargains (Fair Game, Rite of Passage), and kept their morals dealing with prisoners (Zero Hour). The writers should get a grip on what Sheppard not only can or cannot do, but also would or would not do. If they keep this line they're making a moral statement I for one would really have a problem watching.

Posted by: cobbaut Feb 3rd 2005, 5:47 PM

Does anyone know why Shephard calls the wraith Bob ?

Could it be realted to the 'in memory of Bob Scarabelli' (who died in september) I think he did visual effects for the wraith, but can't find the link anymore.

Oh yeah, this last ep was the best of the season!

Posted by: jedibudrick Feb 3rd 2005, 10:43 PM

Does anyone know why Shephard calls the wraith Bob ?

Could it be realted to the 'in memory of Bob Scarabelli' (who died in september) I think he did visual effects for the wraith, but can't find the link anymore.

Oh yeah, this last ep was the best of the season!

Posted by: prometheus Feb 4th 2005, 12:48 AM

or it could just me that he's giving them generic names cause they won't tell him their's so yeah...

Posted by: noradd Feb 4th 2005, 10:23 AM

Does anyone know why Shephard calls the wraith Bob ?

Could it be realted to the 'in memory of Bob Scarabelli' (who died in september) I think he did visual effects for the wraith, but can't find the link anymore.

Oh yeah, this last ep was the best of the season!

Posted by: Raxor Feb 4th 2005, 5:05 PM

good episode, they really pulles out the stops for this one

Posted by: Aussie_Bloke Feb 4th 2005, 6:53 PM

Im with you RAZ .......

Rexckoning parts 1 + 2 and the Lost City 1 + 2 are the best 4 episodes of the franchise of stragate we have seen so far...

That said,,The seige douple parter comes damn close aswell!
Like Dr en Tesla said - I am one of those who think the deadulus will be a totla asgard ship - not one of their best ones mind you - but of the class of the beliskner - more than a match for the wraith (discuss this at Asgard V Wratih in sg1 spilers....)

Anyway.. you all know what i think - deep purple interior loike any asgard ship with smooth sleek designes interior and exterior. Blue bullts or lasers or whatever - (asgard weapons), Just delivering the ZPM to atlantis and can run off own super dooper hyperdrive! Will have sooper dooper asgard power source (compareable to ZPM) to power sheilds - (GOOD SHIELDS). Will carry asgard crew member..(he drives it so it will not need human control interface).

McKay might have meant that the "sister ship" was a BIG sister. lol.

Posted by: Nighthawk Feb 4th 2005, 7:00 PM

Season 1 Conclusion and Season 2 Episode 1


Guys,

It is obvious what the conclusion will be!!! It was indicated way back in Episode 14 (Sanctuary). Sheppard's relationship with Chaya will save the day!! Come on it is all the rage at the moment! We just had it talked about in SG1 in a recent episode (Reckoning) and it was indicated that Chaya/Ashtar would come back in another episode soon...

Hawk

Thus, I believe here is the conclusion your all waiting for:


Season 2: Episode 1

Posted by: sg69leader Feb 5th 2005, 12:50 AM

Maybe the Daedalus will be the Russian version of the F-303, we did give them the plans and they have had some time to build it, but it's just a guess.

Posted by: projectle Feb 5th 2005, 3:51 PM

It is pretty damn obvious what is going on it this final episode...

It is another timeline.

Think about it... To date, the SGCs mining operation on P3X-403 (SG1 - 7x07 - Enemy Mine) has not been able to recover enough raw naquada to create an additional BC-303 (no, it is no longer an experimental craft). In "Inaguration" (SG1 - 7x20) we are told that we are in the process of constructing an additional BC-303, yet it was nowhere near completion. That is why Prometheus was the only 303 in "The Lost City". We were told in "Prometheus" (SG1 - 6x11) that it would likely take another 6-12 months to complete the X-303. The only reason why it is completed is because Thor had the ship finished, enhanced and upgraded just in time for "Unnatural Selection" *SG1 - 6x12. Given this timeframe for the people of earth to complete an additional 303, it should taxe up to 3 years to build, known from the final scene in "48 Hours" (SG1 - 5x14) where Hammond is telling Carter what they now owe Russia for purchasing their DHD.

By the way, at the point when this episode airs in relationship to SG1, SG1 was still stuck back in ancient Egypt at the time that Everret arrives through the Atlantis stargate. We know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Carter would require that the team returns to the time they left (obviously, including a couple precidents... "1969" (SG1 - 2x21) and "2010" (SG1 - 4x16))

Additionally, in "New Order" (SG1 - 8x01-02), they still were using Naquada Reactors, but there was talk in "Revelations" (SG1 - 5x22) that they would begin experimenting with Naquadria Reactors, although the project was shelved due to the inherent instability of the Naquadria. It was only after "Prometheus" (SG1 - 6x11) that the Goa'ould inhabiting Adrian Conrad was able to compensate in a very small part for the Naquadria within the Hyperspace Window Generator. This was then finisheb by adding the buffer to the hyperdrive to release any excess buildup from the reactor. It is possible that the people of earth had created a portable Naquadria Generator, but Everret did say that the reactors they brought were Mark II Naquada Generators.

Posted by: MYOB Feb 6th 2005, 11:58 PM

Clearly the best episode of the season.
The lead-in with 'Letters from Pegasus' where we see how the Wraith do their thing was interesting, and I think it, combined with Siege part one, really set up the finale quite well. The loss of sensor data when the EM knocked out the long range sensors preventing Atlantis from seeing the Wraith coming was a brilliant touch in adding suspense to the episode. The way the wraith were able to easily enter the city despite the best efforts of the men on the ground really made the whole effort of defending the city seem futile. I thought this gave the story a nice touch.
What would be nice is having this siege play out over more than just the first episode of the second season.
Most of us will probably expect them to have some big 'all-encompasing' way of defeating the wraith in just one episode. But I would like to see them take an unexpected turn and have the Wraith take the city for several episodes. Nobody would expect it.
Anything to prevent some cheap way of concluding the episode from being the actual outcome. This episode was too good to be ruined by falling back on old habits and resorting to a 'pulling a rabbit out their hats' conclusion.

I won't give a x/10 rating until I've seen how this plays out in season 2, but if I had to I'd give it a 10. And that says something cause a lot of the episodes were boring.

MYOB'
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Posted by: UltimateW Feb 7th 2005, 7:28 AM

I like the Sheppard and Chaya plot, so lets see what they have in store for us in 5 months time.

Posted by: sg69leader Feb 7th 2005, 8:18 PM

I know it would not be likely, but what if an Asgard O'Neill class ship just comes out of no where and kicks some Wraith ass, beams out all of the Wraith in the city and beams out Sheppard. Wow, what a long shot but that would be very interesting.

Posted by: dr_n_tesla Feb 7th 2005, 9:47 PM

I know it would not be likely, but what if an Asgard O'Neill class ship just comes out of no where and kicks some Wraith ass, beams out all of the Wraith in the city and beams out Sheppard.  Wow, what a long shot but that would be very interesting.

Posted by: sg69leader Feb 7th 2005, 10:11 PM

Yeah, or just blow the living crap out of them. Also, I just came out with a very likely beginning for season 2. The Daedalus will have arrived early or something, and it beams out the Wraith.....stuff I said earlier. Thats more likely.

Posted by: fan_83 Feb 9th 2005, 2:18 PM

guys: for those who say why didn;t they send 10000 troops to protect atlantis:


THE EXISTANCE OF THE STARGATE IS STILL A TOP SECRET MYSTERY TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC ON EARTH. ANY TROOPS SENT TO ATLANTIS WILL HAVE TO BE THE SPECIAL FORCES WITH NO FAMILY AND ON A NEAR SUICIDE MISSION...

YOU TELL ME WHERE THEY CAN FIND 10000 OF SUCH TROOPS IN SHORT ORDER. THEY SENT AROUND 100 WHICH IS THE BEST THEY COULD DO.

sorry for screaming but lets stick a little to logic.

about defeating the hive ships;
my money goes to chaya appearing and saving sheppard and getting rid of the other one...
the ancient cloking device is new to even the asgard and anyone else in out galaxy.. how do you expect them to penetrate the cloak to get sheppard out.. not to mention they didn;t know that sheppard is on the way and that there is still tons of darts and cruiser flying around , and your priority is on atlantis not on one person.

the daedulus is a sister ship: therefore something similar to promethus.. sorry. i was hoping for a o'neill class myself but its built by earthlings on a tight schedule.. no time for design change.
i think they managed to get teh deadelus finished so fast is probably due to the effect of lost city.. where they were attacked by anubis.. there is probabaly a huge fund to speed up the creation of the 303's....

the asgard wouldn;t have time to come.. i mean they are rebuilding their cities ,,, and their lives.... and they would know about the ancient library here.. but they have copies of it as well,.... so whats the point of sending another ship just to save humans when they have better things to do...
and an asgard ship has plenty of asgardcrew member in it... its not jsut controlled by 1 person only........thor speaks on how he transported his peep off the ship in one of the earlier episodes...

and no reason for any ancinets other than chaya to step in... daniel gave his best speech in threads and they still ignored him,..

i think everett will probabaly be able to fight of that wraith.. i mean the wraith is weaken and i;m sure everett knows hand to hand fighting.....hes a marine after all


and please rememebr... earth don;t have so much naquadah to spare.. htey are building a defensive fleet as well to protect earth........


and why has htey shortened the episodes to 20 instead of the 22... those b******.....

Posted by: sg69leader Feb 9th 2005, 3:05 PM

Well Chaya is forced to only protect that one planet. Also, it's Atlantis why wouldn't the Asgard send ships to protect the city. It's problably one of the most important things in the universe.

Posted by: fan_83 Feb 9th 2005, 7:10 PM

why would the asgard has to go to atlantis ??

what does atlantis have that the repository of knowledge that they have don;t contain ?????

the asgards have their hands full rebuilding their home....
when the replicarter threatens the humans very existance they didn;t even send thor....they just send a satelite.... i mean, thor doesn;t even have the time to step through the stargate to say hello....

where are they going to find time to travel to pegasus..... ????
and to commit plenty of ships to a battle..

we knoe that asgard shield tech is not up to par with those of the ancients..
to beat the wraith they have to send a huge fleet... to be on close to even numbers to beat hte wraith..

I don;t think the asgard are up to that commitment when they can;t even uphold the current protected planet treaty.. you think they want a 3 front war ?????

chaya: is forced to stay on that one planet and not interfere.. tahts her punishment.. but she can observe exp since she and sheppard has a connection....i believe if she is willing to cross the line once to protect her own peep. she is willing to cross it again to save shepard

Posted by: madcatz Feb 9th 2005, 7:10 PM

Man I can't wait to see it, to bad I live in the US and have to wait two months, unless anyone would like to let me borrow a tape of the final two episodes?????

Posted by: Christy Feb 10th 2005, 5:34 AM

trying to understand what some posts are saying is darn hard.

The Asguard probably wouldn't be sent to protect Atlantis because they have better things to do.

Posted by: SG-A Feb 10th 2005, 7:23 AM

The Asugard have good reasons to go to Atlantis cause, Thor said and I quote

Posted by: fan_83 Feb 10th 2005, 9:48 AM

they have 3-4 copies of the database... their problem is finding the information they need....

going to atlantis wouldn;t help them as unless atlantis machine has an extremely good search engine.. they would be back in square one

Posted by: UltimateW Feb 10th 2005, 10:28 AM

Posted by: ColDChill Feb 11th 2005, 12:39 AM

Hi ummm I'm new here and don't wanna pull apart the whole episode but a few things I noticed.

1) Why Not leave The first Nukes in the puddle jumpers ?

alt - Since the puddle jumpers seems invisible to wraith radar.

2) why waste the Mark II Naquada generator on the chair once they found out they only hand a hand full of drones?

alt - Why not divert their attention on powering up the cities shield ? Since they only needed it operational for 4 Days. and since in previous episodes it's been said to be able to with stand anything the wraith could throw at them.

3) you have ancients in SG1 and in Atlantis That broke the rules and got sent to the surface of the planet they protected as punishement.

alt - Your going to tell me that not one ancient was or is willing to protect it's own original City ? I don't care if they are ancients or otherwise they'd take punishement over watching there city and it's knowledge destroyed by the wraith.

Don't mind me, Just Me thinking out loud

Posted by: fan_83 Feb 11th 2005, 7:46 AM

coldchill:

1) if they left teh nukes in the puddle jumper they would have lost the puddlejumpers.. they thought the nukes were undetectable... they didn;t want to lose 6 puddlejumpers
2)the city shield need a zpm to power it.. the mark2 generator doesn;t have enough juice to power the city shield....i mean it could only power the chair for 2 days i thik, so how long can it power the shield...
3) the ancients have risen above such petty things like fighting between the lower beings.. they knew about the attack ala threads in sg-1. but they will not interfere...
there is no reason for them to. they have move on...

to them its like this:
you are not going to help an ant colony fighting against another ant colony even though its located in your backyard now would you: to them we are somewhat like the ants

Posted by: SG-A Feb 11th 2005, 10:09 AM

they have 3-4 copies of the database... their problem is finding the information they need....

going to atlantis wouldn;t help them as unless atlantis machine has an extremely good search engine.. they would be back in square one

Posted by: fan_83 Feb 11th 2005, 6:50 PM

Watch Season 8 epasoide 1 you'll find out

Posted by: JonasFan Feb 15th 2005, 9:42 AM

tbc? TBC? TBC??? TB-F-C???

I have one word to say about this: BOYCOTT

Obviously this was done to try to get a record number of viewers for Season 2 Ep 1. I say we should GIVE THEM WHAT THEY WANT. A record number of viewers for S2E1: 0.

Remember what they did to us and do NOT watch Season 2 Episode 1. TBC is unacceptable.

Posted by: trek. Feb 16th 2005, 5:35 PM

spaz much?

read: cliffhanger.

Posted by: Teyla Emmagan Feb 17th 2005, 2:55 PM

This more for Season 2 . BUt I just heard or rather found out that Jason MOmoa from NOrth Shore will play Ronon Dex. Tell this is this true or what . And I wonder what his relationship between Teyla be like .

Posted by: Gunfighter Feb 17th 2005, 4:52 PM

I've got mixed feelings about this ep; on the one hand, you've got some intense action, fast-paced and intricate plot, and stellar acting (by the regulars, that is). On the other hand, you have the new colonel, who's a total dillweed (and I have a feeling that a large part of that is the actor's fault). Can't stand him. And does he sound gay to anyone else?

From a technical point of view, the production work that went into 1x20 is absolutely amazing. Very good CG for the battle sequences, great pyrotechnics and sound effects. The acting was pretty good on the parts of Weir, Shep, McKay, etc.

However, there were certain things that really diminished my level of immersion and enjoyment in and of this episode. Viewers who don't know much about military subjects might not have noticed them, but for the creators who should have picked up a few lessons on the military by now, these little foibles ought to be quite embarrassing. For example, when the Colonel and Dr. Weir are watching the battle, several times we see a group of soldiers standing around with rocket launchers, scanning the sky for targets. That's all well and good, except for the fact that if any of them actually fired, they'd be cooked by the backblast of their own weapons because they were standing too close to the wall. Not to mention that they were the wrong kind of rocket for the situation in the first place.

(Placeholder, g2g but I'll finish this later)

Posted by: raziel Feb 18th 2005, 5:16 AM

i really think that the daeculas will arrive just before sheppard detanates the nuke and they will save the day

Posted by: shadowofanubis66 Feb 18th 2005, 3:18 PM

I have a question about the timeline that confuses me. The spoiler involves moebius and the seige...

Posted by: Christy Feb 19th 2005, 12:59 AM

shadowofanubis -

Posted by: dr lee Feb 25th 2005, 8:31 PM

OH MY GOD!

this episode doesn't air in the UK for another 17 days.
i can't wait for it to air.

i've just watched a fan video that contained clips of the attack by the darts on atlantis. damn the CGI in this is jaw-dropping! the anti-aircraft (or should it be anti-dart) guns look like they can do some serious damage. but the bit that got me was all the tracer fire snaking up from atlantis, if i didn't know any better then i'd say that that scene was done for real.

just out of curiosity the atlantis 'chevron guy' ( grodin?) is his actor british?

roll on S2

Posted by: Evo Mar 2nd 2005, 12:01 AM

Did anyone notice that they used the Matrix tune as a background music to move to a different area of the city when they were searching for the Wraith? It sounded so like it.

Posted by: NoDot Mar 2nd 2005, 8:38 AM

I was pointed here from elsewhere, so I hope this is the right place.

If anyone feels like reading it, I just wrote a (very) quick review of SGA 1x20 - The Siege Part Two. Any comments or suggestions are welcome.


PS: I usually write my own HTML code, but I wanted to get this out quickly, so I used OpenOffce 1.1.4. Once the review get's proofread, I'll optimize the HTML code.


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Posted by: SG-A Mar 7th 2005, 6:33 AM

I have a question about the timeline that confuses me. The spoiler involves moebius and the seige...

Click for Spoiler

In moebius... the sg1 episode, they went back in time to find a zpm. In the seige... earth dials atlantis using a zpm and has deadalus coming. Is moebious before or after the seige in terms of the stargate timeline?

Posted by: SG-A Mar 7th 2005, 6:50 AM

possable seniros:

1:

John seals the bulk head doar and jetosens the nuke while in close range and the wrath hive ship is damaged and they hold off for a little while just enough time so the deadless can enter and beat the hell out of the Hive ships

2:

John seals the bulk head doar and jetosens the nuke while in close range and the wrath hive ship is destoryed and blinds Atlantis scanners and they can't attack any
ships apart form close range darts

anyone got any more?

Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 8th 2005, 5:02 PM

Ok...so where was the Daedalus? The ship that has been speculated about all season that would appear in the finale!

Beckett is starting to annoy me. He's turned into a right whining little bitch. I mean, he's a doctor and he cant handle stress?

Other than that i loved this ep. Just pissed off that im going to have to wait till September to see the final part. The fight scene over the city was amazing.

Posted by: dr lee Mar 8th 2005, 5:22 PM

dafmeister you say that beckett annoys you with his moaning rite? the last time he operated the chair he almost killed O'Neill and Sheppard wouldn't that make you a bit nervous the next time you were told to use it?

yes at the begining of the episode everett(?) was an annoying little wotsit but he seemed to apreciate what weir had been doing and (to me anyway) he seemed to take quite a liking to weir. he showed that there was a human in him when he shielded weir from the exploding dart.

i hope the CGI production crew get some awards for this show it was jaw dropping the sequences during the night are some o the best CGI i have seen in a TV show in ages. as i mentioned before if i didn't know better i'd say that some bits were real. there is one i don't get, they turn neally all the external lights off and then send a number of flares up to illuminate the city why do that?

finally Sky One said in their programme synopsis that Hammond was in this episode i saw the whole thing but i never saw Hammond.

atlantis ROCKS!!

roll on S2

Posted by: MajikthizeII Mar 9th 2005, 8:11 AM

i hope the CGI production crew get some awards for this show it was jaw dropping the sequences during the night are some o the best CGI i have seen in a TV show in ages.  as i mentioned before if i didn't know better i'd say that some bits were real. there is one i don't get, they turn neally all the external lights off and then send a number of flares up to illuminate the city why do that?

Posted by: glom Mar 9th 2005, 8:58 AM

Yeah. too right.

My thoughts on watching it were "Ah. So that's where SG-1's special effects budget went this year" 

Posted by: dr lee Mar 9th 2005, 9:06 AM

even though i read the spoilers for this episode i was surprised at exactly how they finished part 2.

i knew that sheppard was going to nuke the wraith ship and in doing so kill him self but i surprised at how late they finished it with him it looked like he had seconds left before he hit. how they are going to have him survive i don't know.

yeah everett seemed abit annoying but part of me thinks he should survive. does any one agree?

i mentioned it earlier but i read that Hmmond was in this episode but he wasn't. y did SKY ONE say he was when he wasn't? i thought that there may be a visual transmisson between atlantis and the daedalus but it didn't happen.

darn must got class starting.........

Posted by: fan_83 Mar 9th 2005, 9:34 AM

concerning the back fire from the rockets from one of the scenes..,...

i think those men are standing near the doors so the backfire wouldn;t hit them. I watched the episode yesterday on sky one and those men are standign near the door that weir used to step out to join everett... maybe thats the producer;s reason...

Posted by: Romulan Snitch- Tal'Shir Mar 9th 2005, 12:21 PM

I thought they were SAMs, guess not...

Posted by: ali Mar 9th 2005, 1:14 PM

What a cool episode! I went mad when "To be Continued" came up. I mean I knew it was coming, but still...September's a long way away! I can't believe we have to wait that long.
I loved all the shots of the city in this, they were so cool. And the scenes of the wraith darts bearing down on the city looked brilliant, with the gun fire coming up from the piers. I really like it when there are episodes like this that have loads of the Atlantis technology in them, like the chair and the drones and stuff.

It said in the sky description that "Stargate SG-1's Gen. Hammond" would make an appearance...er, has he lost weight and grown some hair,or was he not in that? I was kind of hoping to see someone from SG1 as well, but I guess they still might be in the opening of season 2.

Great episode. Why does September have to be so far away?

Posted by: Dr Ingram Mar 9th 2005, 1:45 PM

OMG what a great ep but i can't believe they left it hanging like that? What is worst though is that Next year

However almost had a fit when Weir went to the Genii. i was like. do you really think they are gonna hand you their nukes. Then when he said he would hold her ransom for the c4 i had a fit, as i doubted the Genii would give them the nukes. but i was wrong.

I don't get why people think that O'Neill would have put Everett in charge as he is only a Brigader General and the likelyhood is it was someone high up. But if O'Neill did choose him then he will choose the best person for the job. but i like Everett and it was interesting to see were Sheppards loyaltiy would lie and like that how before Sheppard went off to the jumper on a suicide mission that he waited until he got Weir's approval, that just shows growth in his charcter and his respect and trust in Weir.

Zelenka and Rodney were funny, espcially when Zelenka had to keep reminding Rodney on were they had to go next.

All in all though great ep and am sooooo looking forward to new series.

Posted by: Stargate Master Mar 9th 2005, 3:54 PM

I have only two words to describe this episode, absolutley brilliant!! The special effects were great, where they were battling for the city, the shots of the Wraith were excellent, also where you see the hive ships deploying a wave of Darts, that was an excellent special effects shot I thought. Overall I would rate this episode 10/10!!!

Posted by: charlieboy Mar 9th 2005, 4:52 PM

i have one prob if they used a ZPM to gate to Atlantis and a ZPM to get dedulus to atlantis since when did we have 2 ZPM'S

Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 9th 2005, 5:05 PM

i have one prob if they used a ZPM to gate to Atlantis and a ZPM to get dedulus to atlantis since when did we have 2 ZPM'S

Posted by: charlieboy Mar 9th 2005, 5:07 PM

oh
i thought that going to atlantis uses a whole ZPM

Posted by: Raicho Mar 9th 2005, 7:13 PM

Very good episode.


I creamed my pants.

Posted by: hawkes Mar 9th 2005, 10:59 PM

The fight scene over the city was amazing.

Posted by: SrAPennington Mar 10th 2005, 1:16 PM

As far as Lt Ford... was it every completely made offical that he was a Marine? I thought in the first ep of atlantis he was standing with the other AF people who were going through, and not with the Marines, cause he looked to Sheppard for orders not Cromwell. This is usually what someone does if faced with two officers from different branches.
SrA Pennington

Posted by: Christy Mar 11th 2005, 10:15 PM

i think that Lt. Ford always looked upto Sheppard as Shep was 2nd in command and Ford was 3rd, so to speak.

Posted by: triptucker Mar 12th 2005, 3:39 AM

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=7][COLOR=blue] good eipsode ending was ok good place to stop .

Posted by: st00rm Mar 12th 2005, 5:36 PM

There's something strange in the fight scene.
You can see the blue lights from the rail guns and later you can see the yellow drones, but before the drones you can also see somethig yellow. It's not the Wraith weapons becouse they are coming from Atlantis (and Wraith weapons fire purple "rounds")

Posted by: Christy Mar 13th 2005, 2:16 AM

i dont like all the colours...its sorta like...in eality they wouldnt be there but they are good effects.

Posted by: Dr.Weir Mar 16th 2005, 4:31 PM

I thought this episode rocked!!!! I absiloutley hated Colonel Everret at the begin of the episode but he started to grow on me but then the wraith got him, oh well... I was almost cryin when the to be conitued sign came up its so unfair an now we hav to wait for ages to see the what happens BOOOOO!!!! the special effects in this episode were amazing really realistic. tv is goin to be so borin until stargate sg1 and satargate atlantis come back on





xx Dr.Weir xx

Posted by: dr lee Mar 16th 2005, 4:44 PM

you kow i can see a problem coming for us british viewers

sky one shows SG1 before SGA so we'll know the answers to the following question

Posted by: Christy Mar 18th 2005, 6:00 AM

well...we havent seen SG1 with anything mentioned about Hammond.
it all sucks really...they all do everything at the last minute without really giving us the time to adjust to a character leaving

Posted by: dr lee Mar 18th 2005, 6:49 AM

the sky one synopsis for atlantis 'seige pt2' mentioned hammond

Posted by: michael Mar 21st 2005, 1:13 PM

What a great episode !But why did they leave us hanging at the end? Im going to be all tense and exited till next season now!!!

Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 21st 2005, 5:51 PM

What a great episode !But why did they leave us hanging at the end? Im going to be all tense and exited till next season now!!!

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Mar 24th 2005, 7:40 AM

Sky One did mention in the synopsis about Hammond saving the day, However I think this was simply a mistake in whoever wrote it, They obviously hadn't pre watched it & just got the general info on the show, A high ranking official comes through from SGC, Then they just simply wrote it up. Take a look at the Movie Teen Agent Synopsis which is currently on Sky Movies, they give that a 4 out of 5 rating, So they do mess these things up.


Although Sky wouldn't have been privy to any season 2 info, As at the time it was shown filming probably hadn't even began or had barely started.


I believe that Hammond will be on the Daedalus when it eventually arrives, Not because he was in command at the fleet in Lost City II or that he was even a guest star on Atlantis e9:home. That O'neill is taking his job in Homeworld, So rumour is that he will retire but I think that he will be on Daedalus & he will die in a direct hit on the bridge during the Wraith battle.

Posted by: stargate_addict Mar 25th 2005, 10:33 PM

ugg i am so mad at the stargate ppl why couldn't they of just split the money in half to make sg1 more better, instead they used 3/4 of the money on sga and 1/4 on sg1, any way good ep but that guy annoyed the heck out of me.

Posted by: DI Falken Mar 25th 2005, 11:45 PM

Does anyone else think that it would be the ultimate in irony if Col. Everett is getting life sucked by the Wraith and somehow Shepperd has to kill him to save him? Nice little twist of fate, I think.

Posted by: Janos Mar 26th 2005, 1:18 AM

I have a question. Was anyone here surprised by the fact that the nuclear mines didn't work? I saw that coming as soon as they said what they were going to do. Nukes don't even work against the Goa'uld. And was that Colonel not the absolutely most cliched military commander? I mean come on! That had to have been the most predictable episode of Stargate I've ever seen! Although, I do have to admit that it built up the tension quite well at the end.

Posted by: Crilisin Mar 26th 2005, 8:51 AM

i like the fact that he brought the rail guns of Prometheus was prity cool.The battel was very cool.When our ship gets there the X-302's will kick the **** out of the Wrath darts.

Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 26th 2005, 9:29 AM

i like the fact that he brought the rail guns of Prometheus was prity cool.The battel was very cool.When our ship gets there the X-302's will kick the **** out of the Wrath darts.

Posted by: Sighfienerd Mar 26th 2005, 11:12 AM

I thought the special effects were beautiful in this episode. The battle scenes were awesome when it showed the cold elegance of the city's architecture against the pulses of light from strafing gunfire, the smoke and fire from a hit, and the sleek little Wraith ships zooming in and out between the building spires.

Plus, I really was impressed with that scene in the Ancient's "history room" when we were looking at Shepherd and then the Colonel through the luminous planet sphere. Cool!

But yeah, the Colonel was a little cliched - but I guess the writers had to portray him like that because he had to quickly establish his authority, but then just as quickly build up sympathy by turning out to be a pretty nice guy so we'll feel really, really bad for him when the Wraith is sucking the life out of him (yeah, DI Falken!) and Shepherd has to kill him in the first episode of season 9. Because I didn't see that Wraith actually kill him.

Posted by: ancient01 Mar 26th 2005, 2:29 PM

I'd have to say that either the Colonel is poorly written or just a bad actor. He didn't even have a convincing accent. That was a bit of a let down. I did, however, like the special effects on this one. Whole lotta action going on. I'm not sure I buy the amount of armaments they brought through in the brief time that the gate was open, but it did make for a fun ride. I'm excited about season 2, so I guess that's mission accomplished for the writers...

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Posted by: thecopyczar Mar 26th 2005, 5:51 PM

This episode was incredible... I can't wait to see part three. So I guess that the Colonel was eaten by that wraith? Maybe Dr Wier will be in charge again.

I hate cliffhangers - but they are still cool. I just don't like waiting.

Posted by: startreksuite Mar 26th 2005, 10:34 PM

did anyone notice on one of the final scenes with a group of marines near the railguns at one of the balconies of Atlantis one of the marines nearest the railgun looked a lot like Michael Shanks! My wife and I went over this scene over again and both of us think its him! He wasn't posted in the credits. Any thoughts anyone?

Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 27th 2005, 11:06 AM

He wasn't posted in the credits.  Any thoughts anyone?

Posted by: Maximusgeneral1 Mar 27th 2005, 11:04 PM

I can't say i like cliff hangars but if they didn't do this then it would not be as exciting. I cannot wait until The Seige Part 3. I don't really care what happens as long as it satisfies my need for wraith destruction wether it be the daedelus kicking some wraith hive ship a** or the major blowing the heck out of a hive ship i want to see some wraith destruction. I know deep down you all agree with me.

Posted by: daffy Mar 28th 2005, 9:17 PM

yea this was a pretty good episode, weir was replaced pretty fast that dude was kinda the cliche sterotype of a military leader. Teyla should be alittle more understanding u know cause a wraith took her over, do they need to spell it out for her? sheppards first follow up rebel act, badly timed. Ford kinda just dissappears places, he should be one of the main guy.

Posted by: Atlantians Mar 28th 2005, 11:45 PM

ok, well just watched the episode and it was a big disappointment.

Unrealistic to the point of pulling my hair out.

the new commander comes through with no corresponding mention in sg1, the man seems like an a**hole that o'neil would never put in charge, the written orders are never opened (on screen), his rude demeanor and insistance on finding the alpha site seem suspicious (i'll go into that later), the space mines were a ridiculous idea and doomed to failure from the word go, marines shooting hand held machine guns at the lightning fast darts seems like a waste of ammo and a stupid idea, they'd never hit them.

It all seems a little coincidental that the colonel arrives just in time, brings weapons and orders from oneil (with no mention of any of this in sg1 episodes), the mark II naquata generator is a piece od s**t, the cooperation of the jennai is unrealistic they wouldn't give up their nukes (just look at the US or any other country with nukes) the new jennai commander with no explanation, no daedalus (i'm sure was mentioned in prevoius episodes somewhere sg1 / atlantis) btu not with any decent upgrades or with a mission to atlantis.

Finally he predicaments all the main characters find themselves in and the general nature of the episode speaks to me as a freaky pointless test by the Ancients to see if the humans are worthy of atlantis (too far fetched i know :-(). + WAy too much happened in 1 episode ... the wraith, the jennai, earth, all the plans, and failures, all the sacrifies by main characters ... wierd.

Well aside from all that i can't wait to find out what happens, and i'll reserve formal judgement until the end of sg1 season 8 and the new season of atlantis.

Eon Blue

ok i'm a die hard stargate fan so please don't take any of my comments to heart or badly, i'm probably just a little frustrated AT THE CLIFF HANGER. let me know what u thin of any of these issues. + i miss RDA's humour in atlantis, and dr. beckett is my fav character.

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Posted by: Christy Apr 3rd 2005, 11:18 PM

Michael Shanks was always credited when he did the voice of Thor.
In the credits he went before...im having trouble remembering who played her...
he went before Teryl Rothery as Dr. Janet Frasier.
it was: With a special guest appearance by Michael Shanks as the voice of Thor.

Posted by: seymour Apr 4th 2005, 12:12 AM

............anyway, the way everett(anybody else thought he sounded girlish?) just came in and took control cuting weir out of the loop was just horrible, and unbelievablely arogent that i have trouble believing o'neill would pick this guy to be incharge.........

Posted by: Christy Apr 4th 2005, 2:09 AM

that is a really good point seymour...and i guess i can not say much about it until i put this in:

Posted by: seymour Apr 4th 2005, 7:00 PM

that is a really good point seymour...and i guess i can not say much about it until i put this in:

Click for Spoiler

That's right because the original time line they all went back in time to egypt so really with the way they ended moebius part 2 they could be totally different people but they still made some of the major decisions which are in both time lines.
maybe this is what changes O'neil?

Posted by: Christy Apr 4th 2005, 7:39 PM

Well Seymour...we're not in altermate realities.

Posted by: linda_lol Apr 14th 2005, 7:25 PM

10 / 10

Whats crazy about this is that its my first 10 ever! lol! It also took me forever to comment on this ep. Anyways, the only thing that bothered me was that cliffhanger. Its gonna drive me nuts for the next few months. AGH! hhhmmm.... I wonder how Atlantis'll get out of this mess.

Posted by: seymour Apr 18th 2005, 10:31 AM

Well Seymour...we're not in altermate realities.

Click for Spoiler

We just altered the time line. obviously sgc made the same choices as they did in the original time line

Posted by: SG-A Apr 20th 2005, 12:12 AM

no if you travel back in time that's all you do, but you action create the alternet time-line

Posted by: seymour Apr 20th 2005, 12:15 PM

no if you travel back in time that's all you do, but you action create the alternet time-line

Posted by: SG-A Apr 26th 2005, 8:03 AM

that's ture you got me there

Posted by: ESUS May 4th 2005, 4:53 AM

Im actually wondering why we dont see ant of those cool jaffa hand grenade things which work along the same lines as a zat, i reckon those would do the trick

or maybe when they finally get a wormhole back to earth we could send back some of their weopons and reverse engineer them so we can slap a big ol' MADE IN EARTH sticker on

Posted by: SG-A May 4th 2005, 10:13 AM

cause Atlantis creators don't want that even I think a zat and staffs would make a diffrance

Posted by: startreksuite May 4th 2005, 6:59 PM

cause Atlantis creators don't want that even I think a zat and staffs would make a diffrance

Posted by: Dafmeister May 7th 2005, 7:39 AM

the most likely reason we don't see Gou'ld weapons used by Atlantis personnel is that the original Stargate team mainly used earth based weapons, they never carried a jaffa shock grenade and only Teal'c carried a staff weapon.  Could be that they could only carry so many things through the gate to the Pegasus galaxy, and Gou'ld weapons didn't take precedence.

Posted by: Utra May 7th 2005, 8:32 PM

Posted by: Dafmeister May 9th 2005, 3:33 PM

Click for Spoiler

i just whatched this episode OMG it was soo kool wrath vs tauri, i think that the next episode the X-303 will show up just in time and save the day so that shepperd wount go all suicidel on them.

Posted by: Kinghans May 11th 2005, 3:38 PM

Great episode, however irrealistic some parts...

Colonel is an arse, but kinda melts in slowly.
Millions of darts (well... thousands then), guns firing in all directions and once in a while a dart crashes... too easy for my taste.
The jumps from one location to another; nice, but over-used

Anyway, I could go on, but I won't. I liked the episode and the cliffhanger, though obvious, was excellent. It sure as h*ll got to me!

Now to wait for season 2 to see how the day is saved and by whom...

Greetz,

King Hans

Posted by: Christy May 21st 2005, 9:18 PM

well this episode surely didnt lack anythin...except maybe relationships.
they didn't really discuss emotions and that annoyed me slightly because they should have discussed how they felt about each other

Posted by: hawkes May 24th 2005, 8:36 PM

True Christy, some emotional depth may have been good in the off moments. But i think the tension provided by the Colonel was enough for the episode, and adding more tension and emotions would have just weighed it down even more i think.

Just my opinions though.

Posted by: Sighfienerd May 24th 2005, 8:45 PM

well this episode surely didnt lack anythin...except maybe relationships.
they didn't really discuss emotions and that annoyed me slightly because they should have discussed how they felt about each other

Posted by: dr lee May 24th 2005, 8:46 PM

if they had added relationships to these two episodes then there would have been too much going on for it to work. if you see what i mean?

roll on S2!!! can't wait

ooh! i've just noticed that this is my 100th post! yipee!

Posted by: hawkes May 24th 2005, 10:03 PM

It probably would have been awkward to discuss feelings when they were fighting for their very survival.

Posted by: Christy May 29th 2005, 12:34 AM

But without the emotional things in the episode i found it lacked some things.
And in this episode it seemed repeatitive...there wasn't much to it...they were running around atlantis or they were shooting things.
and i didn't find much tension coming from the colonal.

Posted by: marktowler Jun 2nd 2005, 5:32 AM

The Colonel guy kinda annoyed me when he first came to Atlantis - all smug mode an' all! Then he kinda grew on me over the episode, tho now he's probably gonna have the life sucked out of him!

The Cliffhanger...All I can say is its 1 of the best cliffhangers ive seen on TV, so many questions that need answering, I really can't wait until it comes back on in September/October in UK!

The special effects were absolutely superb as well, I was gobsmacked, overwhelmed, they were truly mind-blowing! Credit has to go to the Special Effects team, they did a truly excellent job!

Posted by: cosmos Jun 6th 2005, 4:25 PM

Wow!!

What an episode. Of course the cliffhanger idea is just killing me. Ouf...!

But it was a great way to finish it. You really get a true sensation of how it would be if you were indeed stuck there. It gives a justification to them wanted to live in the first place.

Don't open these Spoilers if you haven't seen this episode:

Posted by: tinydancer Jun 12th 2005, 3:39 AM

Bargh! Gah!

*Hates stupid commander* SO rude! What was Jack thinking? I hope that wriath killed him. Bastard. He was so mean to Weir! Like, she clearly knows what she's doing...

And poor Rodney! Running around everywhere trying to fix everything. I mean, we all know he's an arrogant toe-rag, but he's an adorable arrogant toe-rag.

And what happened to Teyla? My best friend is convinced she was taken by the Wraith. I don't know about that, I mean, she's in the next season and the Wriath aren't likely to just let her go because the producers want Teyla in the next season.

Poor, poor Johnny! He's such a little hero!

Oh it was just all too much! Thank goodness the next season is almost upon us!

Posted by: Christy Jun 12th 2005, 9:33 PM

That's an interesting point to make tinydancer...we don't know if she was taken or not we just assumed she was because Weir was calling her name and we were shown people lying on the ground either dead or unconcious so really, she could still be in Atlantis.

Posted by: Heru-ER Jul 27th 2005, 4:01 PM

I give this episode a 9, great action, but i think Dr. Weir was very angry when they send the replacement, it was bad that Sheppard tell his superior Weir need to be in the meeting, she do great job but i think Atlantis need a military commander

Posted by: dr lee Jul 27th 2005, 6:04 PM

i don't agree
having a civilian in charge creates a different dynamic to atlantis that SG1 doesn't have. SG1 is constrained by milatery rules and whatnot, where as atlantis, still with the milatery rules, is able to look at situations completely differently.

if the general was in charge then it would be a clone of the SGC and the show would be boring. this way you get a lot more conflict.

Posted by: colone? Aug 8th 2005, 6:53 PM

I think having a female civillian is a great change from SG-1. It brings a nice change to the show. Plus she is a cutie... sooo... thats what keeps me watching Atlantis. NICE ASS!!!

Posted by: warpchick Aug 14th 2005, 12:59 PM

this was a great episode i cant wait until the 3 part comes to the UK

Posted by: Lord Joe Aug 26th 2005, 4:10 AM

Great episode, absolutley fan-dabby-dozy! Great action sequences, interesting plot (the Wraith not wanting to destroy Atlantis but knick off with it to get to Earth) and an annoying Colonel to make O'Neill and Sheppard seem even more cool. I have one or two gripes with the episode though and those are that they made the episode seem a bit too much like The Matrix Revolutions, that Colonel should never have left the farm at 16 to join the Marines and where the hell were the jumpers that were supposed to be Atlantis's "Fighter Screen"?!?!?
Great episode looking forward to Season 2.

Posted by: David_ofthe_Tar'e Sep 1st 2005, 11:15 AM

I absolutely loved this episode. It was briliant. I don't think that I could sing the praises of the director, cast and crew anymore than that. It was unreal. I loved the fight scenes I thought that they rivaled the dog fight from Lost City that I had long thought was the best fight sequence ever. The new technology the self-lessness it was just one big dramatic end.
I can't wait for Season 2 to hit Oz its going to be so good. I said it before but this episode was easly the best from SGA so far no questions here.

Posted by: Christy Sep 8th 2005, 5:00 AM

I can't wait for season 2 to reach Australia either.
Oh though i saw the finale MONTHS ago i really do miss it.
hopefully i'll see the third part by sunday, depending if someone ends up sending it to me...

Posted by: MasterBetty Sep 15th 2005, 11:33 PM

this ep was great i liked that colonel guy he was staright to the point but looked like a push over to me. when i first saw him come through with the marines i pissed myself. it was so funny. one thing i didnt like was the was the rail guns looked like plastic crap.


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Posted by: Christy Sep 20th 2005, 8:41 PM

I thought the colonel was pretty cool, he knew what was happening and he knew what needed to be done.
He was doing his duty. He understood that Weir had been in charge but he had more experience in situations like this and even O'neil had agreed with that and then made the person in control go from Weir to Colonel.
Too much action in this episode though...I didnt like all the fighting, there wasn't much story to it.

Posted by: COL. Caldwell of the Daedalus Oct 26th 2005, 10:30 AM

i like this one

Posted by: mini_jack Nov 9th 2005, 5:51 PM

well this is one of the best episodes in season 1 it was full of action and with such a good cliffhanger which kept us guessing for months. we need more cliff hangers like this in both stargate series.

Posted by: starryeyes Nov 15th 2005, 10:26 PM

well this is one of the best episodes in season 1 it was full of action and with such a good cliffhanger which kept us guessing for months. we need more cliff hangers like this in both stargate series.

Posted by: C_O_K_E Mar 25th 2006, 9:03 PM

I agree with Nitesoul on how it sucked at the end having to wait so long now to see what happens

but i think the episode was pretty suspenful but the end i dont know

Posted by: SGater84 Aug 8th 2006, 12:04 PM

same here! i m waited season 2 to came out so long i have to wait next year to have it!

Posted by: nuclearnuke9 Nov 3rd 2006, 8:41 PM

obviously Sheppard will save the day and we will have more episodes of SGA to come unless Sci-fi intends to wreck this show too like they decided to do to SG-1