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Posted by: Arcady Aug 8th 2003, 7:38 PM

Season 7, Episode 9 - Avenger 2.0
Air Date: August 8, 2003

Felger from Season 6's http://www.sg1archive.com/s6.shtml#608 returns, and teams up with Carter to solve a problem of cosmic proportions.

http://www.sg1archive.com/s7credits.shtml#709 | http://www.sg1archive.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f;=2&t;=1892 | http://www.sg1archive.com/teasers/709.html

Posted by: Bowley Aug 8th 2003, 9:01 PM

Funny episode, although I missed coombs. For a second there I though felger was getting more action than I am. I would have had to hang my head in misery. And WHAT was that beautiful gun that Carter was firing!?! What did they stop using the p90?

Posted by: Jackal Guards Rule Aug 8th 2003, 9:02 PM

yeah I also noticed that gun.

Great episdoe i must say we got some combat this time YAY!
Im just worried about Baal if he gains supreme dominance over the System Lords.

Posted by: RookiesRevenge Aug 8th 2003, 9:03 PM

All I gotta say is

I"m gotta watch the repeat at 11pm to catch all the jokes again, there were just so many.

Posted by: Seenar Aug 8th 2003, 9:05 PM

This was horrible.

First off, surley the system would be immune to this sort of thing.

Second, what happend to using a seperate power source to dial the gate manually?

Posted by: Ares Aug 8th 2003, 9:27 PM

I loved this ep! I tell ya, Fegler has the mindset of a teenager; always trying to get it on with someone. I thought the scene in his house was priceless, putting his pants on backwards and choking on his Mountain Dew. Also when he was feeding the phantom ducks...ROTFLMAO! It was so stupid, you had to laugh.

Only a few disappointments. Daniel was MIA basically throughout the ep except when he made contact with the SGC. Teal'c was on screen for about 37 sec. and Jack only had a bit more air time than Teal'c. I hope the next ep has the whole team together.

Oh and they couldn't dial out manuelly cause the virus was supposed to scramble the gate addresses. Say you dialed earth from the alpha site. Even if you put in the correct symbols, the virus totally screws it up. I think that's how the virus works...someone correct me if I'm off.

Posted by: Firefly Aug 8th 2003, 9:36 PM

I loved this episode. Definately my favorite so far. Very amusing. I loved the duck scene. lol

Posted by: Seenar Aug 8th 2003, 10:09 PM

Posted by: Mike Aug 8th 2003, 10:15 PM

This wasn't bad. Alot of sutile jokes and as Ares said, humor so stupid that it's funny. The scene between Carter and the assistant was very nice, even if it was a dream sequence.

Posted by: Stargate SG-1 Addict Aug 8th 2003, 11:10 PM

I really enjoyed this episode. It was entertaining and had just enough action to satisfy my appetite(for now) I was, however, disapointed that Daniel was hardly in it at all. I hope to see more of him next week.

Posted by: jyang Aug 8th 2003, 11:14 PM

Posted by: ColonelJackO'NeillRocks Aug 8th 2003, 11:20 PM

I was sitting there thinking this too b/c this thought came to mind:

If the Ancients were so advanced and it took them a thousand years to master this mode of transport, how the hell could this dipsh** screw it up in one day?!?!

Then they started to talk about Baal and how he may have altered the proggie and I said "WOW, how does Baal know so much about computer viruses?"

Oh well, at least we got to see a cat fight!!!! (When I saw Sam rip off her shirt I almost ......her shirt shook and her..... WOW!)



Major Rocks out.

Posted by: Mr. Nice Guy Aug 8th 2003, 11:38 PM

I liked that episode a lot. The humor was great. Still not as funny as "Window of Opportunity", but funniest one in a while.

Why so little Daniel, and Teal'c?

I understand why so little Jack. RDA has an obligation to his family, and I respect him for that.

I miss seeing SG-1 as a team. I hope that they are just trying to highlight some of the characters indivudually, and will add more team-oriented eps soon.

Posted by: Ares Aug 8th 2003, 11:42 PM

Posted by: Eol Aug 9th 2003, 2:46 AM

This episode made no sense whatsoever. I mean.. sure we have computers that can dial the gate, but that's basically because as someone else said to do the work of moving the ring for us.

Also, on the board in one of the scenes, the virus was apparently written in C or C++. I -highly- doubt that something as sophisticated as the DHD is running something written in C. I don't understand how our meager programs could affect something like this.

Posted by: GuNdj Aug 9th 2003, 7:19 AM

That was the weakest Season 7 ep so far in my opinion.
The ending dream sequence, just like in the other guys doesn't seem to sit well in a Stargate ep.

And i agree that the concept doesn't make much sense.
If the DHD won't work, surely Dialing manually will.
That brings up another thing... They've dialled out manually b4, but if the info such as compensating for stellar drift is stored in the DHD how were they able to get a lock? Ernests planet was close enough to dial without compensation, but what about the other times, such as dialing from Thor's ship in Nemesis.

Posted by: Raxor Aug 9th 2003, 9:24 AM

great episode to watch, i hope we get to keep the alkesh

knowing the militaty, they will try and fit one on the bc303 lol

Posted by: mithwriter Aug 9th 2003, 3:10 PM

I liked this episode for the sole reason that it will extend the life of my vcr tape by one week since I will have no regrets taping over "Avenger 2.0" and putting something better over the top of it.

This ep and "Space Race" seemed to be suffering from the same type of story problems...telling what's going on instead of showing us. The latter had this problem during the race with those damn announcers coming on WAY too often to explain what was going on instead of showing it...

This ep had the same problem for me but this time it was much worse. First of all, the ep is about creating this computer virus right? So wouldn't you think there would be a scene of Carter and Felger loading the virus into the gate and wanting to see what happens?

Also, I felt really cheated (and this relates also to a thread Luna has going elsewhere) about telling us what's going on with Jack, Teal'c and Daniel instead of showing us. By simply using a video feed of their predicament, I got very little sense of the jeapardy these characters were in. Would it really have killed the show's budget to SHOW us the Jaffa starting to argue when the gate went down, Jack and Teal'c reactions, then all hell breaking loose? Or maybe cut to a scene or two of Teal'c and Jack sitting doing nothing, then maybe Jack suggesting a game of "rock, paper scissors" or something equally "O'Neillish?" I mean, according to O'Neill they DID "get tired of waiting" didn't they?

And what about Daniel? I mean the guy was getting close to having to evacuate to higher ground with the city's survivors. Take out one (or two, or three) of Felger's scenes and show that instead. I didn't think Felger was funny. I thought he was pathetic, and I really hope they don't bring him back anymore. It's a personal taste thing, I suppose, but I cringe when shows trot out the "lovable loser -types" of characters.

Posted by: threod Aug 9th 2003, 3:14 PM

Posted by: trynity7 Aug 9th 2003, 5:11 PM

Intersting discourse on this ep. Either you loved it or you hated it. I, personally, enjoyed it. I thought the actor who played Felger was brilliant. He carried the role off effortlessly. I did miss the team, but I figure they'll bring 'em back next week for more play.

Just one question/thought that I would like your input on. We all know Felger is a classic geek, right? In the season 6 ep he was in he showed up and said, in classic Star Wars fashion, "We're here to rescue you." I was wondering if anyone else thought that the kiss between him and his lab assistant (forget her name) where he says, "What was that for?" and she said, "Goodluck!" - well I was wondering if anyone else thought that was another Star Wars nod.

Whaddaya think?

Posted by: Bonzai Aug 9th 2003, 5:16 PM

good eps funny one .. but i dont get it how did jack come with that plane .... that plane can't go form a planet to other one

Posted by: SG1nut Aug 9th 2003, 5:19 PM

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hilarious ending. Felger was so pathetic he made me laugh constantly during the ep and to tell you the truth an episode with no Daniel for 99.9% of the time isn't gonna kill you guys so stop your whining and complaining!(Sheesh!)

I don't think I'll ever forget O'Neill and Felger watching the 2 ladies "getting it on" in that "bitch fight" for a while yet... Even if it was a dream, it was hella funny and I enjoyed it immensely. Good entertainment. I won't be deleting it or "taping over it" (as some pessimistic-moaner mentioned earlier on) for a while yet...

Posted by: RookiesRevenge Aug 9th 2003, 5:20 PM

Hmm possible Trynity7 - . I was wondering when the kiss scene was comin, it was so obvious she liked Jay. She's a cutie, I hope to see her again in another episode.

Her name was Chloe by the way. I watched th ep twice it was sooo funny

Bonzai, they stole it from the Jaffa who landed on the planet where the rebel meeting was, Jack meantioned that when Hammond contacted him.

Posted by: mithwriter Aug 9th 2003, 6:43 PM

QUOTE (SG1nut @ Aug 9 2003, 05:19 PM)

I I won't be deleting it or "taping over it" (as some pessimistic-moaner mentioned earlier on) for a while yet...

Posted by: Chrominium Aug 9th 2003, 6:47 PM

I like this episode, but then again I liked the episode last week, and the week before. As funny as this episode is, it isnt that good - not up to the usual stargate standard. Apart from the first few episodes in this season - its becoming a one sg1 person show. This episode hardly had any appearance from Jack, Tealc and Daniel (Are they all busy now?). The direction of the show seemed to have changed.

Hopefully next week we'll see more of SG1 (the whole gang), and not the individual characters (We had two Daniel's and two Sam all in a row). I really dont see them doing a good season 8 if the team is so fragmented now. Maybe they are preparing for something...

On a good note the episode is fun to watch. One quip is that SG1 have their own N'aquida mobile dialing devices which they could have sent through to each of the stranded teams to redial back home. Does the DHD affect the stargate that much? Earth seems to be doing fine, even without the coralated update.

Posted by: BigBlueBuddha Aug 9th 2003, 8:27 PM

I really liked this one.. I don't really see how so many people could be put off by a little humor when the last 6 years have been filled with it.. it's one of the top 3 stregnths of the show.. not slapstick... just subtle, but hey.. to each his/her own..

Posted by: dorien Aug 9th 2003, 9:36 PM

Jay Felger is a great character to pull out once a season to show that there are other people working at the SGC. He packed duct tape into his backpack for cryin' out loud. But the scene would have been funnier if earlier Carter had referred to the earth dialing system as MacGyvered as she did in cotg instead of jerry rigged.

As funny an ep as it was, I'm really starting to miss the team working together. The humor wasn't always so in your face.

What's happened to the danger...drama...emotional resonance?

Posted by: Virus0486 Aug 9th 2003, 11:51 PM

Loved it!!! I was funny when Carter sat on a doll that looked like her, which the clothes were messed up . Also loved the ending... . I wonder when Gen. Hammond finds out what the surprise is?

Posted by: OdinisThor'sDad Aug 10th 2003, 12:41 AM

Posted by: Firefly Aug 10th 2003, 1:01 AM

I liked the dream sequence too. That was so funny. Especially O'Neill. He was rather enjoying himself. lol

I do miss the team working together. I have noticed that Teal'C hasn't been in much lately.

Posted by: StargateSG-1_Fan Aug 10th 2003, 1:20 AM

I have only seen half of Avenger, because the download wasn't fully completed, so i will download a fully completed version later on tonight, from what i have seen, i thought this episode was very funny, i did miss coombs though, hmmmmm do we finally get our own Alkesh ?

Posted by: Spacemenow Aug 10th 2003, 1:55 AM

Posted by: SyStEm_LoRd Aug 10th 2003, 4:58 AM

hopefully more then 1 person has it so it doesn't take 2 days 2 download again. like space race did...

neways... ill get it tonite

Posted by: ZxExN Aug 10th 2003, 2:38 PM

Boring ep. Carter is starting to piss me off? Her smartassness is getting o so old ... anyone else think so? They should bring in Jet Le to add some spice... have him be Yu's son or something

Posted by: BigBlueBuddha Aug 10th 2003, 2:39 PM

Close indeed.. the AR-15 is basically an M-16, however the model seen in the ep is a rail modified M4 on 5.56mm ammo, the short barrel you refer to is the M4 model of this series weapon, I have never seen or heard of a short barrel AR-15 for military use.

On another note I have always wondered why they would carry a P90 and not carry the FN Five-Seven as it's sidearm companion since they use the same 5.7x28mm ammunition.. I guess in it's own way it would make sense, but for practical reasons if they all had the same ammo, less confusion and ammo problems.

Lastly Teal'c needs a Desert Eagle .50, or a Taurus .454.. big man big gun, lol..

Posted by: MrBooleano Aug 10th 2003, 4:50 PM

This episode was quite good i thought, certainly one of the best this season. Its getting too obvious of the lack of the whole team, i just KNEW they were going to send Oneill and Teal'c off on a mission. Im actually starting to appreciate earlier episodes just because the whole team is there, Teal'c Oneill and Daniel had like 5minutes screentime, if that?

Anyway, nice episode

Posted by: StargateSG-1_Fan Aug 10th 2003, 5:14 PM

I now have seen the full episode of Avenger, it was great, like i said in my previous post, i did miss Coombs, I hope we get to keep the Alkesh and use it in the battle against Anubis in The Lost City episodes, imagine if we got a whole fleet of Alkesh, that would rule.

Posted by: Proton911 Aug 10th 2003, 5:47 PM

Heh, great episode!
Felger very funny, little crazy but smart :-))))))))))

Posted by: Mental Case Aug 10th 2003, 7:00 PM

Well some of the jokes were just silly rather than funny, I felt more pity than anything else

But I did laugh a bit, and overall this was an ok episode, not great, not terrible.

enjoyed it more than enemy mine though, so I'd have to give it like 5.5/10

tempted to say 6, but I'm not sure if I want to

Posted by: SSG Ret Aug 10th 2003, 9:02 PM

QUOTE (ColonielJackO'NeillRocks @ Aug 8 2003, 11:20 PM)

QUOTE (Seenar @ Aug 8 2003, 10:05 PM) First off, surley the system would be immune to this sort of thing. I was sitting there thinking this too b/c this thought came to mind: If the Ancients were so advanced and it took them a thousand years to master this mode of transport, how the hell could this dipsh** screw it up in one day?!?! Then they started to talk about Baal and how he may have altered the proggie and I said "WOW, how does Baal know so much about computer viruses?" Oh well, at least we got to see a cat fight!!!! (When I saw Sam rip off her shirt I almost ......her shirt shook and her..... WOW!) Major Rocks out.

Posted by: Carter Look Alike Aug 10th 2003, 10:18 PM

i think that that had to be my very favorite epsiode...although i wish O'neil couldve been around to crack his halarious jokes about his problems with scientists. anywho i love felger he is like a teenager when he obsesses over Carter, and i thought the dream at the end was halarious....hands down to the writers on a great ep.

Posted by: jimmyk421 Aug 10th 2003, 10:26 PM

come to think of it if i was a sg1 char i'd be like felgar he's simply a geekified kramer i love his daydreams too lol carter fighting over him with his assistant

Posted by: BigBlueBuddha Aug 11th 2003, 4:39 AM

QUOTE (SSG Ret @ Aug 10 2003, 10:02 PM)

QUOTE (ColonielJackO'NeillRocks @ Aug 8 2003, 11:20 PM) QUOTE (Seenar @ Aug 8 2003, 10:05 PM) First off, surley the system would be immune to this sort of thing. I was sitting there thinking this too b/c this thought came to mind: If the Ancients were so advanced and it took them a thousand years to master this mode of transport, how the hell could this dipsh** screw it up in one day?!?! Then they started to talk about Baal and how he may have altered the proggie and I said "WOW, how does Baal know so much about computer viruses?" Oh well, at least we got to see a cat fight!!!! (When I saw Sam rip off her shirt I almost ......her shirt shook and her..... WOW!) Major Rocks out. From what I gather, Felger is a dips**t of legendary proportions. Just as you can have a mighty hero who manages to be always in the right place, at the right time, and does all the right things, Felger is at the opposite extreme.

Posted by: Mike Aug 11th 2003, 7:39 AM

So true Blue, so true. Hence the need for individual character development.

Posted by: TigersEye Aug 11th 2003, 8:38 AM

well, i thought it was decent. i think that stargate is being ruined by the seperation of the team. if they want more time with there families, what's wrong with taking a week to do an episode instead of 2 days?

anyway, i didn't really think about the manual dialing, but now that you mention it, it's starting to bug me. but what was disturbing to me when i watched it, was the ending. it was like all the jaffa were desending on carter and that geek, and then the alkesh came and it was all over. it's kinda like one of those 'and then he woke up' endings?

Posted by: RebelGoua'uld Aug 11th 2003, 9:27 AM

I think it was a good episode, funny wise......but it lacked that flawlesssubject like, the whole gate shutting down seems very unlikely if you think about it, i mean, they could dial out manually, and the SGC could send their teams a naquadah reactor to power the gate. It makes sense, right???

In my opinion, it was a good episode for laughs but had a really bad plot, too many holes and to quick of an ending. They didn't show them fixing the problem, or getting back through the gate! not every episdoe has to end in the gate room!! I would have been very happy if it had ended on the planet showing them going through the gate, with me knowing how felger and carter fixed it.

Another thing is that Jaffa are turning into babies, running away when alkesh starts shooting at it, i'm sure that couldn't have been the only jaffa on a Goa'uld inhabited planet. All i can say is, in my opinion, the writers could do better, i miss those no-matter-how-hard-you-try-you-can't-find-anything-wrong-with-it plots, and i aslo miss the on-screen chemistry of the team. When will they actually be a team again???

Posted by: French Carter Aug 11th 2003, 5:03 PM

I like the episode, very funny ! But the end is a little strange: the dream of Felger, the mean of transportation for Teal'C and O'Neill... Maybe, we will know about it very soon.

What do you think for the explanation concerning the trouble of the DHD ? I think I have got the main explanation but not the details !! Can you give me more information ? I will see it again but I don't understand everything. It is a little complicated. By the way if you have got a manual for the Stargate, let me know !!!

Posted by: Arnos Aug 11th 2003, 7:05 PM

Overall I liked the ep. However, I think I'd like to see the battle Teal'c and O'Neill had in order to capture the Alkesh Bomber. That would've been more interesting to me than some geek and a his insecurities. It was nice to see Sam rip her coat off though....And her new weapon.....mmmmmmmm

Posted by: SyStEm_LoRd Aug 12th 2003, 5:20 AM

sam came thru the gate at the end. and told general hammond that jack had a suprise. and since it looked like he and teal'c were only ppl aboard that alkesh.. maybe he is rockin up to earth in that!
but no cloak on it. so i dout it. i reckon he drop it off at the beta site.. and gate home!

Posted by: SyStEm_LoRd Aug 12th 2003, 5:22 AM

just read more post!
lol jet li would lash everyone tho.. earth would have no chance.. he would smash ball around like a bitch. and gate to earth.. just knock the iris down. and start lashing everyone!! they would need good old jackie chan to balance out the side!

Posted by: ccl28 Aug 12th 2003, 12:01 PM

I really liked this episode, even though I wish I didn't . I'm getting used to not seeing SG1 anymore. We'll all have to get used to it sooner or later anyway (Atlantis). Felger's character is really hilarious, and he reminds me of some grad students that I know.

Posted by: smellycorpse Aug 12th 2003, 12:19 PM

good ep. Did any catch the duct tape? lol red green would be proud...
even though it was suck a fun inbairassing(spelling sorry)ep, i thought it had good promise to the timeline.

Posted by: Drizzt Do'Urden Aug 12th 2003, 1:15 PM

does anyone else think that rda made felger/"folger" put it in his bag?

Posted by: smellycorpse Aug 12th 2003, 10:00 PM

nah its a man best tool. felger has the mind set to just bawge on a whim.

Posted by: Upmoose99 Aug 12th 2003, 11:35 PM

Here's my take on the DHD and manual dialing problem. My best guess, and mostly speculative, is that the DHD acts as an interpreter or something for the gate. An update gets sent from one DHD to another, and once received that DHD then tells the gate that this symbol now means this, and that symbol means that. With earth, now correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they originally have to account for the drift on their own? Which would mean that they don't receive all of those updates. This would also explain not being able to dial out manually. And doesn't it take a lot of power to run the gate? So even once you set everything in position, you would still have to have the power to run the gate.

Posted by: Thoth Aug 12th 2003, 11:47 PM

Posted by: DR Larry Murphy Sep 16th 2003, 11:22 AM

The phone call from his mum was funny, and I loved the ending but it would have been so much better if they'd shown more

Posted by: Cynical_Coat Sep 18th 2003, 9:26 AM

Not to keen on Felger, but I loved this ep anyway. It was nice to see the tables get turned on Sam... or at least see the other side of the 'everyone's in love with her' thing (how about that for understatement?) I agree that there wasn't nearly enough Jack, Teal'C and Daniel. Especially Daniel, and that isn't even my extreme favoritism speaking there... or at least not just that... I mean, how fair is it to strand him, alone except for some refugee's and extras that aren't even really there, on a planet that is FLOODING?

Sorry... I just... don't think it was very nice of them...

Posted by: Spacen Sep 18th 2003, 12:52 PM

I don't like Felger and I'm tired of being embarrased for him. A lot of stuff in the episode was too corny.

Posted by: DR Larry Murphy Sep 20th 2003, 6:18 PM

Corny but funny, there were points when you couldn't bear to look at the scene for embarrassment but hey it was funny

Posted by: Spacen Sep 24th 2003, 2:41 PM

Posted by: SSG Ret Sep 24th 2003, 3:54 PM

Agreed. There were parts where it was funny, but mostly it was flat.

Posted by: Kinghans Nov 5th 2003, 1:01 PM

Thank God for Felger's "Jim-Carrey-look-a-like-face", or else, the episode would have been unbearrable. Any ep without the whole of Sg-1 is doomed to be less...

Greetz, King Hans

Posted by: SSG Ret Nov 5th 2003, 4:36 PM

I don't know about that. Some of my favorites haven't had all of SG1 present, some of them have. The difference is in the storyline.

Posted by: VectorDP Nov 5th 2003, 11:24 PM

Posted by: Attack of the Rubber Chickens Nov 22nd 2003, 9:40 AM

LOL
I thought this was a real funny ep. but I do miss seein SG-1 as a team

Posted by: Aesir Nov 24th 2003, 4:14 PM

Ok, when I first heard this episode would be about a DHD/gate virus I was quite intrigued, but as I watched the episode I actually got pretty annoyed.

Firstly, when they first made it clear that Felger's virus had spread through the gate network without revealing how, I was thinking how unrealistic it was given the fact that a virus that isn't written to self-replicate simply isn't going to do this. Then when they explained about the DHD update protocol I was adequately satisfied and thought it was a pretty good idea and looked like they had really thought the whole virus spreading thing through. Then they said how Ba'al modified the virus which I thought was unlikely, but hey it's fiction.

In summary, I jumped to some conclusions only to find that they actually explained things properly, or at least well enough.

Anyway, I still think this was the worst episode of the Season so far, but it was still enjoyable to watch as always

Posted by: anastasia_beaverhausen Nov 24th 2003, 5:33 PM

I haven't got much to say about this episode, other than it's made me realise how much I miss SG-1 as a team. It hasn't bothered me up until now, but now I'm just longing for a good episode where SG-1 go to some planet on a mission as a team, not in pairs or on their own, but altogether.

I didn't really likethis episode, mostly because of Felger. He's always bugged me, now they've gone and made me really hate him. He just does my head in And the whole thing about Baal being able to adjust the virus for his own purposes seemed a little unbelievable to me. Baal is one of my favourite System Lords, but now he's suddenly a wizz with virus' aswell? Hmm...just doesn't fit in my books.

The humour I though was quite bad. It wasn't really funny, more annoying and stupid. I think I just didn't like this ep so much because Daniel was in it for all of about 3 minutes max!

Worst episode of the season so far I think, but still, I can think of worse from earlier seasons...

Posted by: Majikthize Nov 24th 2003, 6:41 PM

Jury is still out on this one.

On the one hand the science behind it sucked, Felgar started off lovably annoying and rapidly descended into farcically overblown. The team just wasn't; Teal'c became wallpaper and Daniel became a poorly developed plot device to heighten the supposed danger to the team.
Actually I think having Daniel and Jack/Teal'c in different perilous situations was supposed to add a degree of drama and tension to the proceedings. I think we're supposed to be seeing it through Carter's eyes. She's worrying about her team mates all throughout. Someone here said it better when thay pointed out that it would have benefitted from a little more action here and there. i.e. actually seeing some scenes from both Daniel and Jack/Teal'cs point of view.
It would also have benefitted from less exposition about what the virus actually did and how it was going to be fixed, and more actually showing us the scenes where they uploaded and let us see for ourselves what happens. I think they sacrificed this for the opportunity to make Felgar look even more pathetic. I couldn't even feel sorry for him at the end.
On top of all that, what exactly was the moral of the tale? I kind of got the feeling they wanted to show us some kind of transformation in Felgar -from loser geek to someone who actually made a contribution by fixing the gate system. Like we're supposed to feel sorry for him or cheer him on as the underdog and be ultimately glad when he can overcome his insecurities to save the day. Doesn't really work though.

On the other hand it was damn funny and contained so many little in jokes and those little watch-it-again-to-get-them-all moments that I couldn't help but enjoy it.
The duct tape in the bag, the messed up blonde doll that Carter sat on and that Felgar had been clearly...er...playing with. The nonexistent ducks, the Carter shutting Felgar off when he starts to technobabble, the phonecall from mom.
Then there's all those moments that emphasises the weird quasi love triangle (quadrangle?) thing that we had going on. Felgar fancies the arse of Carter (and who wouldn't?) and Chloe only has eyes for Felgar. Felgar constantly trying to impress Carter and snubbing poor old patient Chloe. The hilarious daydream sequence and Carter's amazing low cut bouncing...er...yeah a girl can notice these things too!

Anyway, I also have to say that if (and I stress the if, mind you) I was a projecting shipper type I'd probably find a lot to comment on with regards to Jack and Sam in this episode. Like how he tags along with her to Felgars lab and how Felgar seems so disapointed that he's there. And how concerned over his safety she is when the jaffa attack, and how concerned over her safety he is when she's on the planet...concerned enough to charge in to the rescue (on the subject, did anyone think that bit was oddly reminiscent of the scene outside the generator station on Endor in Return Of The Jedi?). Not to mention that he's enjoying that bitch fight just a little too much at the end...ok so that was a dream sequence...clearly Felgar is a secret shipper then, despite his lust for Carter.

Anyway, apart from missing the team and desperately needing a non character centric adventure, y'know just for a change, there was just too much about this episode that I liked to dismiss it outright.

Posted by: Jacks Girl Nov 24th 2003, 7:59 PM

Well done Miss Thize - you get a gold star........ok cant find gold star how bout yellow smiley face?? toooshay old girl.

Just to echo the thoughts of most people here.....I too miss the team thing. Yeah i unserstand RDA taking time off for his daughter, all for it, but are MS and CJ visiting his daughter aswell?? Why are they also absent from the programme? Bring back the good old days, it just aint the same. If it aint broke....

And as a shameless shipper I too have become more aware of certain moments between Jack and Sam...just little expressions of concern every now and then that weren't there before. Perhaps they are breaking us in gently, leading us up to the big finale in the J/S saga. I like it, another helping of the same please.

apparently there is a small shippy bit in next week's show too - yeehah roll on Monday nights.

Posted by: Dafmeister Nov 25th 2003, 6:47 AM

Didnt think very highly of this ep. It was trying its best to be funny but failing miserably. Definitely the worst ep of season 7 so far.

Would a 'complete screw up' really work for a top secret government installation in reality - i think not. Dont want to see any more Felger.

Posted by: Jon The UK SG-1 Fan Nov 25th 2003, 7:00 AM

OMG I loved this ep, oh the humour the humour
We saw quite a bit of Jack as well which was pretty good and the whole Felger in his apartment with the Stargate models cracked me up. I thought Carter's new gun was so great the way it was just ripping through Jaffa armour. Who else thought the way Jay came through the gate was great arms above his head and all
I know that the last part was a dream just like "The Other Guys", so technically Chloe does or doesn't like him? Because she still gave him that really long good luck kiss.

Great ep especially like the way Carter called Chloe a "Trollop" and O'Neill and Jay were watching them fight. Superb!

Posted by: Behenna Nov 25th 2003, 7:24 AM

lol, i think the little dream bit was best bit of the ep! and was it just me or did anyone else notice that when falger put on his trousers at his appartment when carter was there it look like he put them on backwards! anyone else spot this?

And i like jacks description of felger! brown-nosing little weasel!" U can tell jack don't like felger that much!

Posted by: Aesir Nov 25th 2003, 11:09 AM

Posted by: Jon The UK SG-1 Fan Nov 25th 2003, 11:16 AM

Posted by: Zatnik Nov 28th 2003, 2:24 PM

OHNO. Sorry, I just messed that up a bit...
can I delete a message? Ive removed what it acctually said now..

Well, i liked this episode, because I am all too familiar with that sort of person, and probebly am one myself. um... zat

Posted by: mobies1 Nov 28th 2003, 5:36 PM

it was ok not the best one I've seen

Posted by: Aesir Nov 29th 2003, 6:21 AM

Posted by: stargatesweetie Dec 1st 2003, 4:13 PM

A moderate episode, I've seen worse though Felger is really starting to get on my nerves- I don't believe that he is a character that should have been used more than once.
Still that said, I did like the last couple of minutes with the dream sequence cat-fight and Jack saying "no...leave them" (or words to that effect)

Posted by: tk9780 Dec 3rd 2003, 8:53 PM

What the Ancient?s did in install an Anti-Virus program within the gate-system.

Sorry complete rubbish even for SCFI/SG1 story ?







Is't time that Carter didn't always know the answer!

Posted by: Dafmeister Dec 4th 2003, 2:41 PM

Posted by: weasel Dec 4th 2003, 3:10 PM

Posted by: ramuund Dec 10th 2003, 5:44 PM

I think Col. o'neill and the rest of them should give Felger a break- i like him he is just trying to please EVERYONE that he ends up getting in mess and impressing NO ONE........

Posted by: Evane-Sam Dec 29th 2003, 4:04 PM

Posted by: kitsune Dec 30th 2003, 1:19 AM

I don't understand why they were aprehensive about keeping felger, i mean, the plasma weapon didn't work in the demo, but anyone could see the possibilities by looking at the wall they were shooting at earlier.

also, anything ok'd by carter should fall on carter's shoulders, not felgers.

It's probably a good thing that it didn't work as first expected, we could make some realllly big enemys realllly fast. right now we are only alive because there are bigger threats and anoyances out there

Posted by: vaughany_boy Jan 17th 2004, 9:14 AM

This episode rocked! I loved "the other guys" and I think it's great to see the characters continued. Poor Felger, never gets a break

Posted by: jelati Mar 2nd 2004, 1:20 AM

MY FIRST POST, SO GO EASY ON ME. I LOVED "THE OTHER GUYS, WITH "DR. FLOX", FROM ENTERPRISE DURING SEASON 6. ALSO LIKED THIS EPISODE, THOUGHT IT TO BE ONE BETTER ONES IN WHAT HAS BEEN A MEDIOCRE SEASON SO FAR.

SURE DO MISS RDA.


DID ANYONE ELSE NOTICE THE KLINGON BATT'LETH HANGING BEHIND THE TOKRA/GOAULD'S THRONE? WAS I SEEING THINGS??

WOULD IT BE COOL TO SEE KLINGONS BATTLE THE JAFFA AND GOULD?

QAPLA'

Posted by: jgb Apr 22nd 2004, 4:06 AM

It is not the Sig SG-552 Commando. If you take a look at http://remtek.com/arms/sig/552/commando.htm you will see that the Commando has a pistol grip, as well as a stock ( the part which is pressed against your shoulder. )
From Maxim Popenker ( you can see the Commando series on his website at http://world.guns.ru/assault/as25-e.htm ) :

Looks like some AR-15 (M16) clone with "flat top" receiver (Picatinny rail instead of the carying handle) and thumbhole stock.

So it seems not to be a standard rifle.

jgb.

Posted by: Mac.Fan Apr 23rd 2004, 4:47 AM

the sicencest is dreaming again about Sam and now the other sciencest.

Posted by: xayeidemon Jun 6th 2004, 5:18 PM

Posted by: aliaras Jun 26th 2004, 10:29 AM

^I am reminding you that Mullie and Mallozzi co-wrote Wormhole Xtreme and WoO. I liked Avenger, and I thought it was funny. My dad speculated that the purpose of Avenger was to clear up whether or not The Other Guys was a dream. It was also another good comedy episode, with some sort of a plot to keep it moving. Felger has...issues, I won't debate that. But I thought it was funny(and a bit painful) to watch him hitting on Sam. This was definately one of the most controversial episodes, in terms of whether it was a good or bad idea.

Posted by: Hazaa3000 Oct 31st 2004, 1:14 PM

WTF? How crap was this episode. So dull and tried to hard to be funny. Felger is a dick - learn to act!!!!

Come on, I want Stargate not, Nancy sits around and has a cup of tea.

The story line stunk worse than a hobo

Posted by: shewhowhistles Nov 5th 2004, 10:03 AM

I thought this episode was a bit too contrived and disjointed. Felger who also plays a similar kind of character on the Red Green Show can act, I just think the charcter was very much annoying. I doubt he (the character Felger) would not have been hired in the first place unless he was a super genius and then in which case why did Carter seem to be doing all the work???? So many questions, one little hour of show.....

Posted by: IndyJan Nov 5th 2004, 11:55 AM

Felger needs to go. This was a lame episode, truly no story, no SG1 team bonding, working together. It was just another way of showing a guy hitting on Sam, dreaming about Sam, wanting Sam, needing to show off for Sam. What was irritating was that there was no way in heck Sam would be interested. Felger is no Martouf, Narim, Orlin, Jack, or even Pete, and you know how I can't stand Pete.

Posted by: Vicki... Nov 7th 2004, 12:49 PM

Some of it was funny (feeding ducks, Felger saying he was thinking of getting Chloe to do his taxes (loved Sam's clearing of the throat after that comment - perfect)), but most of it was plain embarrassing (Felger talking to his mum on the phone, the trousers on backwards), and I kept finding myself looking away from the tv to make faces.

As for the dream sequence at the end... UNNECESSARY OR WHAT?????!!!!! I hated it, thought it was totally for the men, and really out of place in an episode of Stargate...

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Posted by: CitizenK Nov 7th 2004, 2:35 PM

You know, I got such a kick out of this episode. I love it when Jay Felger gets to be in a Stargate episode because I know I'm just going to start laughing. yeah, I know, some of you folks didn't like it. That's okay.

What did I like about it ? I love how Felger is still stuck in his own little dream world. Although, I miss Coombs. Chloe was great. She was a terrific level headed clearing thinking subsitute. I think she makes a great girlfriend for him. too bad he couldn't see that in the beginning. I mean, she had such a wonderful expression on her face when Felger bypassed her to give Carter the first choice of donuts. I even like it when he (abscent mindedly) starting doing calculations on the board with the one he was eating.

I do believe my favorite moment is when Felger HUGS O'Neill after he and Teal'c transport from the craft they arrived in. How can you not laugh as he puts his arms around him and O'Neill (in typical O'Neill sarcasm) reminds him that there's "No, touching. What did I say about touching ?"... loved that scene.

Also, I found his scenes with Carter to be very sweet. Felger knew he was the cause of the virus going array, and yet Carter still knew he had the ability to fix what went wrong. She had faith in him when he had lost faith in himself. that was touching. But, I loved his reaction to her rubbing his shoulder. loved the give me strenght look on his face once he did it.

Although, I loved O'Neill's reaction when he finds out he's trapped on the planet because of Felger. I loved how he shouted into the camera. That was great.

what did I think about the ending ? what a scream. I mean, this is a guy's (okay, technically Felger's) fantasy... having two women fight over him i.e. I heard that two women do battle in a ring of jello. I suppose that was going to come back and haunt Stargate at some point.

But, knowing what O'Neill really thinks of Felger... to have him sit there with him watching Carter and Chloe fight over Felger was a scream. his reaction was a gem. mostly because I really think that everyone got a kick out of doing this ep.

do I feel bad that poor Daniel got stuck on that planet with everlasting rain ? yeah... but, still... I had fun with this ep. Glad I got to see it again in syndication.

Posted by: gtiff123 Nov 7th 2004, 7:18 PM

While I thought that a lot of the scences, like the dream sequence, were superfluous, I still enjoyed seeing Felger's mannerisms. It added a little kick to the episode. Granted, it was different, but it was just one episode. Well, he was on before, but whatever. Plus I liked the show "Red Green", and he was on that.

Posted by: Krystian SG1 Nov 13th 2004, 2:06 PM

THey should have made a virus for a Gou'ld ship, something like Avenger 3.0.
It could screw up navigations and sensors so a ship would be flying blind.

Posted by: Hazaa3000 Jan 16th 2005, 12:14 PM

Watched this epiode again today - still think Felger is one of the most annoying characters.

Posted by: frostychocolatemilkshakes Jan 25th 2005, 10:58 PM

I love Felger! Patrick McKenna is such a good actor. I was so surprised so see him in "The Other Guys" in season six. I was hoping they would bring him back. The episode was kind of dumb but Patrick McKenna makes up for the poor writing.

We'll just over look that.

Posted by: stargate_addict Jan 31st 2005, 12:20 AM

Funny episode, although I missed coombs. For a second there I though felger was getting more action than I am. I would have had to hang my head in misery. And WHAT was that beautiful gun that Carter was firing!?! What did they stop using the p90?

Posted by: stargate_addict Jan 31st 2005, 12:22 AM

THey should have made a virus for a Gou'ld ship, something like Avenger 3.0.
It could screw up navigations and sensors so a ship would be flying blind.

Posted by: Dafmeister Jan 31st 2005, 6:09 AM

THey should have made a virus for a Gou'ld ship, something like Avenger 3.0.
It could screw up navigations and sensors so a ship would be flying blind.

thats a good idea.

Posted by: KoKi Jan 31st 2005, 4:03 PM

always to see dr. Felger together with sam

Posted by: cvvrede Feb 1st 2005, 7:06 AM

I didn't really like this ep. THere were some funny things, but basically, I didn't like the plot.

Posted by: Demaje28 Mar 19th 2005, 5:00 PM

Jay Felger is a great character to pull out once a season to show that there are other people working at the SGC.? He packed duct tape into his backpack for cryin' out loud.? <!#emo&:lol:#><!#endemo#>? But the scene would have been funnier if earlier Carter had referred to the earth dialing system as MacGyvered as she did in cotg instead of jerry rigged.?

As funny an ep as it was, I'm really starting to miss the team working together.? The humor wasn't always so in your face.

What's happened to the danger...drama...emotional resonance?

Posted by: togar Sep 23rd 2005, 4:49 AM

now, as w/ the previous episode with patrick mccenna (from the very funny show "the red green show") it ended w/ him day dreaming about his fantisy, in the first one, him dreaming about carter, in the second one, him dreaming about carter and his assistant.

did anything in these episodes really happen, or was it just the imagination of a scientist on the base?

there is no evidence that anything that happend in the 2 episodes really took place. no mentioin of avenger again, the only thing that played through was anubis' first prime i think herak, from the first episode, they meet him again in the last episode of season six, but thats the only thing that came out of "the other guys" which is not a very strong link, considering theyc ould have met him somewhere else

Posted by: togar Sep 23rd 2005, 4:51 AM

Posted by: David_ofthe_Tar'e Sep 28th 2005, 5:32 AM

Posted by: Dafmeister Sep 28th 2005, 7:44 AM

Yes, this episode did happen. It was 'The Other Guys' in season 6 that was a daydream. I didnt like either of those episodes, Felger was a crap character.

Posted by: David_ofthe_Tar'e Sep 28th 2005, 10:38 AM

Really... the entire ep was a daydream? I thought it was just that last part when he was thinking about getting a medal and kissing Sam that was a dream.
Thats Suprising

Posted by: Dafmeister Sep 28th 2005, 11:54 AM

Really... the entire ep was a daydream? I thought it was just that last part when he was thinking about getting a medal and kissing Sam that was a dream.
Thats Suprising

Posted by: invisible painting Sep 28th 2005, 12:16 PM

I thought the whole ep was a daydream because Felger was so star-struck with SG1. I could be wrong, but that is way I interpreted it.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Sep 30th 2005, 2:24 PM

I did not realize anyone thought the whole episode was a dream. Weird. I never thought of it that way. To much of parts of the show can be seen in later episodes. Yeah Invisible like Her'ak. I loved that character. AH but that is "The Other Guys"

This episode is one of my least favs. Except the ending. That is the only part. Felger reminds me of McKay but with none of the more redeaming parts. A scardy cat with its tail between his legs. Felger was much better in "The Other Guys".

Posted by: invisible painting Oct 1st 2005, 8:58 AM

A scardy cat with its tail between his tail.

Posted by: David_ofthe_Tar'e Oct 7th 2005, 9:29 AM

Come on Em, that scene where Sam urns up at his house... thats was about as funny as it gets.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Oct 7th 2005, 8:14 PM

Yeah I forgot about that one. Pants on backwards. Playing with toys I played with as a kid.

Posted by: Shane01 Oct 23rd 2005, 11:58 PM

it is funny where carter gos to Felger's house and he puts his pants on the wrong way

Posted by: Spineshank Nov 17th 2005, 4:43 PM

Man all i have to say is this episode seems to start the whole Jack isnt around as much as he should be thing, kind of sucks. Anyway this episode was kind of funny though, Felger is a big dork but he is funny, not WoO funny or Urgo funny but not to bad. I did like the idea of the episode too, the whole Independence Day virus upload thing, good idea to bad it didnt work. Sam looks as good as ever, just to let you know.

Posted by: teltak Feb 23rd 2006, 7:08 PM

This episode was okay, but it didn't have enough of the team together they were all off on other worlds and stuff. but the end had a little action with the jaffa and the al'kesh. but the last scene was funny with Felger and Jack watching sam and the scintist.

Posted by: cosmos Oct 11th 2006, 7:07 AM

I recently rewatched that episode. As most people have said it is a funny one. Memorable joke when he tries to explain who the Avenger is to Hammond. "Extra strong, extra fast, well not as fast as the Flash that would be ridiculous."
Just a small comment about Felger and his energy weapon.
I was thinking that Felger wouldn't have requested to produce a demonstration if his gun didn't work at all. It seems more than likely that it was O'Neill's fault that the weapon failed. When he touched the glassy tip of the weapon, if a fingerprint was left or oil from the skin it may very well have caused the malfunction. I am no expert but I do know that much.

Posted by: Dafmeister Oct 11th 2006, 7:58 AM

QUOTE(cosmos @ Oct 11th 2006, 1:07 PM)

Posted by: cosmos Oct 11th 2006, 8:50 AM

Granted he is eager to please and makes foolish mistakes however as it turned out the problem with the Stargates was not really his fault and it was a brilliant idea. Baal adapted Felger's idea to suit him which really was an unforseeable outcome. It could happen to Sam or anyone.

Posted by: Dafmeister Oct 11th 2006, 8:55 AM

The fact of the matter is Felger's virus screwed up the Stargate network because he hadn't fully tested the virus. He assumed he was right and didn't even consider the fact that a race with superior technology and knowledge could rewrite the virus.