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Posted by: Arcady Jun 13th 2003, 5:35 PM

Season 7, Episode 1 - Fallen
Original Air Date: June 13, 2003

The SG-1 team discovers Daniel Jackson alive and living on an alien world, but he has no memory of who he is.
(Part 1 of 2.)

http://www.sg1archive.com/s7.shtml#701

Posted by: jimmyk421 Jun 13th 2003, 5:36 PM

oooh ooooh i get first reply

Posted by: Ben64 Jun 13th 2003, 9:36 PM

well i get second, so

Posted by: chi-town nox Jun 13th 2003, 9:39 PM

ooh. i get the first real reply...

was anyone else as dissapointed as i was in this episode. they stole a lot from starwars and the characters did not have good chemistry on screen. there were massive empty voids between line delivery. this episode just wasn't believable.

Posted by: stargatejunkie101 Jun 13th 2003, 10:00 PM

I loved the episode nice way to open the season.

Posted by: Ares Jun 13th 2003, 10:03 PM

I hate Yu. That guy really pisses me off. I feel sorry for all the poor saps who think he is a cool goa'uld. He is now officially a pansy.

Posted by: chi-town nox Jun 13th 2003, 10:06 PM

thats absurd. the episode was slow and trite. nothing like what the SG1 production team is capable of. episode 7.01 and 7.02 could have been combined into one episode.

also, the episodes were very predictable, you could tell what was going to happen way before it ever did. for instance, i knew that the colonan leader was going to sell out to anubis when anubis didn't leave the planet right away. i was utterly dissapointed.

Posted by: ArisBoch Jun 13th 2003, 10:17 PM

i for one liked it. besides the first couple awkward moments of getting daniel back, i thought everybody interacted really well w/ each other. and i thought the star wars thing was kinda funny. but it was nice to see one of our ships kick the gliders' butts. nice twist.

of course it's predictable. we've only had spoilers on the forums for weeks now.

Posted by: Bowley Jun 13th 2003, 10:22 PM

Well I enjoyed watching Star Wars, I mean Return of the Jedi, I mean Stargate sg-1 season 7 episode 1. Was it me or did they let George Lucas write this one? Come on...a super weapon that is only vulnerable in its exhaust shaft... The depiction of the reactor when the missles hit was right out of return of the jedi for god's sake. That was disappointing. The whole plan seemed more far fetched then anything so far, I don't think I could stretch laffy taffy that far. I can live with the way Daniel was reintroduced, but to be honest I actually liked him as ascended. I really got emotional when he would come back to help his friends in their most desperate time of need. Some of that dialogue was great, I had tears. Episode 2 redeemed itself but I agree some parts were predictable.

Posted by: Ares Jun 13th 2003, 10:26 PM

Exactly. When they came out of hyperspace, I immediatly thought of Star Wars. Then hitting the shaft with the missles and finally the blowing up of the generator of Anubis' ship. Deja Vu. But I don't let details like that get in the way of my viewing enjoyment. Don't focus on the negatives, people.

Posted by: ArisBoch Jun 13th 2003, 10:31 PM

thank you! (or should i say thank yu?)
just cause it had its little problems doesn't mean it was bad. i mean, lookit how many times they use wizard of oz references- as they demonstrated beforehand- and nobody gets up in arms for ol' dorothy.

Posted by: Tuck Jun 13th 2003, 10:32 PM

I've been lurking for a long time, but now I have to speak. Star Wars is really beginning to sneak in to the show, from Annubis/Emperor to the blowing up the second Death Star/Annubis' ship. How much did MGM have to pay Lucas for that footage? But I still really enjoyed all three shows tonight. Lot's of great lines... Wonder if they can write Data into the show?

Posted by: Bowley Jun 13th 2003, 10:39 PM

I overlook a lot of stuff actually, but come on the star wars ideas this episode were blatant. I couldn't overlook that if I was blindfolded and shot with a zat gun . You're right though, you do have to overlook things, it's a sci fi, it won't all be perfect. I think someone famous said "To enjoy fiction you have suspend your beliefs" something to that effect. Someone will correct me...please...

Posted by: MYOB Jun 13th 2003, 11:08 PM

Number of Star Wars reminders demonstrated in the episode which caught my immediate attention:

1. The image of the X302 as it flew across the Weapon ship. The tunnel like scene, the minitowers, etc. All of it looked like the scenes from ROTJ(Return of the Jedi). Seems like they could have just made it smooth right?

2. Quick camera view as it passed through ship as they realized the reactor was going critical. Several images looked the same as that of the Death Star as revealed in ROTJ. At first I didn't realize this until I saw #3 below.

3. The reactor? Why did it have to look like that or have that kind of open area which was literally an exact duplicate of the scene from ROTJ?


Does the X302 have anything other than missiles? Seems like they'd have run out rather quick if those two had missed. Maybe that's the reason they were scrambling for their life during that time.

What did they do to the X302 after Anubis ship left? I didn't see them carrying the ships components like they supposedly did on the way there?

Once the Star Wars simularities were past I quickly got over it and didn't think twice that it had happened.

Overall it was an interesting episode.

I am looking forward to what the X302 is capable of as soon as it developes better weapons systems.


MYOB'

Posted by: DarqKnyght Jun 14th 2003, 1:13 AM

I thought the Star Wars references were great. Not only because they were funny: "Yeah, thought we were going with Red Leader on the is one?", but becuase they were obviously in homage, otherwise Jack never would have said "Red Leader." Although I do agree that the reactor shot was a bit much, but at least they didn't have to fly into the ship and do a spin around the core itself.

Also, another Star Wars reference was the the target on Anubis' ship was the vent for the cooling system just like the target on the Death Star was the reavtor vent. (At least it wasn't in a trench on the surface!! )

At any rate, I loved the show, SW refences and all. While somewhat predictable, still a good episode in my book. Especially the VERY tongue in cheek remark about Teal'c: "He is Jaffa." "No, but he plays one on TV!" I was rolling after that one . The look on Carter's face was priceless!!!! Be expecting screengrabs of that soon.

Also, as a side note, did anyone notice that in the first scene in the SGC, where Jonas goes from the elevator, down the hall into the control room, upstairs into the briefing room and then into Gen. Hammond's office is all taken i one continuous shot? I happened to notice this as I was watching it the first time. I know they do this from time to time, but i thought it was worth mentioning as it goes from one floor, up one small flight of stairs and then up two more flights and then accross the room into Hammnod's office, all with relative stability. There is a bit of shakiness while the camera man is going up the first half of the full set of stairs, but still i thought it was cool.

Posted by: Ben64 Jun 14th 2003, 4:48 AM

I just finished watching the 2 eps. (Was there 3??) and the star wars bits are getting a lot more noticeable, obviously they like to have fun with the show

Posted by: apexad Jun 14th 2003, 8:30 AM

Most of you have expressed my disapointments, and what I liked about it so rather than waste my time and repeat what you all said, I will say only 2 things.

Wow, Yu is not on our side after all, or he is to paranoid to be on any side.
Amanda Tapping/Samantha Carter's hair cut is so good now, she is f*cking hot!

Posted by: Mike Jun 14th 2003, 9:40 AM

Well. . . based on the feedback so far I wouldn't recommend a season eight. When it comes to the point where you are drawing references from other shows and movies, it's time to call it a day and at least take a break. I think it's time for the writers to do so. It was mentioned on "The Lowdown" that the writers had a very hard time in trying settle the whole Daniel returning/Jonas leaving sort of thing so perhaps there wasn't much time in trying develop some areas in a more unqiue way. Nice to see the X-302 in action and good to hear O'Neill wisecracks again.

"But he is a Jaffa."

O'Neill: "No. . . . but he plays one on TV."

There still plenty of season left so let's take it all in. Before you know it, season 7 will be all done.

Posted by: Bonzai Jun 14th 2003, 10:35 AM

man why did jones i need to leave he was cool

Posted by: Raxor Jun 14th 2003, 10:53 AM

to be honest i dont really mid the star wars homage as i like star wars... but i found both of the episodes interesting

Posted by: Thor almighty Jun 14th 2003, 12:00 PM

Those eps where a good way to start off the season, Anubis loseing his weapon, dainell comming back.

The sw thing was cool, For those of us who liked sw, it was verry cool.

The lowdown show was verry entertaining, Just to see Cristopher not saying "indeed" throughout the show was funny. U think that "no but he plays one on tv" line was in the script or did he add that on camera?

All for now!

Posted by: Vixa Jun 14th 2003, 12:50 PM

full circle (622) and fallen (701) r completely SW-duplicates...
we must have called them episode 7-8... "duplicate wars"


they were kinda fun though...
but they were illogical.

1) why would baal go back after destroyin anubis' ship.
he would have gone for naquadria...
or he would have conquer the planet (for more slaves & stuff)...

2) if "yu" 's men can act without his autorisation, they don't see him as a god anymore.
so why r they still servin him?

3) DJ remembers everything so quickly that i forgot who he was... (sarcasticly )

Posted by: jimmyk421 Jun 14th 2003, 12:56 PM

we dont know if baal or yu left that was left open prob for the future as far as all the bitchin about star wars nobody complained when rda did a lil monty python rip off think dead parrot then go watch when where jack is telling hathors first prime she was dead and dont forget they watched star wars at least nine time think of pizza and a movie ok nuff ramblin and rantin

Posted by: lavender Jun 14th 2003, 12:59 PM

i liked it. i agree with whoever said it should have been combined. sorry can't remeber who said it. i can't wait 4 next weeks 1. the trailer i've seen 4 it was funny

Posted by: RebelGoua'uld Jun 14th 2003, 1:10 PM

is it just me or did the rest of sg-1 not welcome Daniel back as much as they should have? I mean the guy just died a year ago and it was like, ok he's back now so we can act like nothing ever changed?.....I dunno, this episode just didn't feel quite right to me.

Posted by: Bowley Jun 14th 2003, 3:05 PM

I thought it was funny how after Sam and Jack destroyed the super weapon, Hammond was like, oh good job...and that was that. I guess he is just desensitized to saving the world.

Posted by: lavender Jun 14th 2003, 3:41 PM

ne1 know ne1 who has the lowdown 2 download? if plz e_mail me

Posted by: FatJoe Jun 14th 2003, 3:48 PM

While I do believe some of the aspects of these episodes were dissappointing, I think the Star Wars and ID4 references were on purpose, not to copy them but as a tribute and/or satire. Listen to Jack's one liners and you'd understand...

That of course is the biggest fault of this episode, Jack's one liners were SO forced. When he'd shoot off a one liner every time he spoke, it ceased being funny and started being annoying. It did seem like this episode was poorly thrown together, but I'd give them the benefit of the doubt because "Full Circle" was originally meant to be a series finale..Although there is no excuse for the poor delivery on the part of the actors, especially RDA, he came off REAL flat...so did MS...I hope they give him his full memory back soon....

AT, CJ, and even CN were pretty good though...

Posted by: chi-town nox Jun 14th 2003, 5:44 PM

Yu is paranoid so he didn't ever attack...he never got to the rendez-vous point. so he couldn't possibly take over the planet...he never got there

Baal made an agreement not to take over the planet...thats why he didnt. his main concern is to get rid of anubis, since he poses the biggest threat to him and the goa'uld.

i always enjoy o'neill's one liners, its been developed as his sense of humour. that is paying homage to shows...

stealing entire scenes is not paying homage, its lack of creativity. the red leader one liner would have been enough for homage. and i agree, o'neill had way too many one liners in these episodes, it was forced.

bowley, you make a good point that Gen. Hammond has become desensitized to constantly saving earth and the universe...in the end of season 1, beginning of season 2...sg1 and bratak save the planet from apophis and klo'rel...and o'neill makes a sly remark when they return "what, no fanfare?" Gen. Hammond hasn't really ever been ecstatic over saving the universe.

Posted by: Stargate SG-1 Bott Jun 14th 2003, 6:48 PM

all you people who keep going on and on about how these to eps were copying SW, all i can say is sooooooooo waht whats the big deal about that ??. i thought it made it cool, space battles and sh*t, i like to see em.

i thought both episodes were cool,. so stop dissing them plz!

Posted by: Bonzai Jun 15th 2003, 2:11 AM

what is the lowdown is all aboud ?

Posted by: aman-ra Jun 15th 2003, 3:27 AM

i kinda liked how they put in the star wars themes. they obviosly put it there as an underlying joke

Posted by: lavender Jun 15th 2003, 5:09 AM

THE LOWDOWN WAS A BEHIND THE SCENES LOOK THAT WAS ON B4 THE SEASON PREMIRE

Posted by: Agent Jun 15th 2003, 9:25 AM

Well... i'm back it;s been a while

Anyways... 701 - strange and mixed emotions... it really was a ROTJ ripoff... crap But i loved the "No, but he plays one one TV" joke... i almost pissed myself with that one
702 - Better... predictable - yes.. but better. Well, it was a slow start. but a start anyway... 20+ eps to go, and i'm lookinf forward for some really good shows!

Posted by: Agent Jun 15th 2003, 9:35 AM

Ooh! Ooh! Did anyone else notice that X-302 was renamed to F-302? Or do i need to change batteries in my hearing aid?

Posted by: Kuwdora Jun 15th 2003, 9:49 AM

QUOTE (Agent @ Jun 15 2003, 09:35 AM)

Ooh! Ooh! Did anyone else notice that X-302 was renamed to F-302? Or do i need to change batteries in my hearing aid?

Posted by: Ares Jun 15th 2003, 11:13 AM

QUOTE (Major Kuwdora @ Jun 15 2003, 09:49 AM)

QUOTE (Agent @ Jun 15 2003, 09:35 AM) Ooh! Ooh! Did anyone else notice that X-302 was renamed to F-302? Or do i need to change batteries in my hearing aid?    ! Heh, I thought I heard F-302 instead of the X. So you're not the only one but maybe we're just crazy, eh? Can anybody else vouch for us? F-302 instead of X-302?

Posted by: Drizzt Do'Urden Jun 15th 2003, 11:58 AM

Posted by: Firefly Jun 15th 2003, 1:03 PM

Uh oh...watch out....next week's episode Jack says "mini me". Does that mean everyone's going to be bitching that it's just like Austin Powers?

So what if it was like Star Wars? I LIKE Star Wars....and it wasn't exactly like it anyway. EVERY thing that involves a battle out in space is going to be similar to Star Wars.

I liked it!

Posted by: Agent Jun 15th 2003, 1:10 PM

Heh... thanx for the support.. I guess i'm not heraing things after all..... Huh? Who said that??

2Firefly
I love StarWars as well... but to rip off it? I guess it just means they ran out of ideas, which is sad

Posted by: Drizzt Do'Urden Jun 15th 2003, 3:58 PM

there was a funny part in this ep which i'm surprised no one brought up yet. the whole 'craziest plan' scene. (esp. with everyone in the room, tok'ra included, getting into it).

Posted by: Empress of the Universe Jun 15th 2003, 4:23 PM

it's all good

Posted by: Firefly Jun 16th 2003, 12:11 AM

I guess I'll have to dig out my Star Wars tapes and watch them again, because I don't feel like they ripped it off. But oh well...we're entitled to disagree, aren't we?

Posted by: Cymro Jun 16th 2003, 4:36 AM

It seems perfectly logical to me that they'd rename the X-302s to F-302s, because as I understand it, "X-#" names are for prototypes and experimental aircraft. When they get the X-303 "Promethius" to work properly, they'll most probably change the X to something else (not "F", as that is assigned to fighters). Since the USAF doesn't have any craft that is anything like the X-303 (as far as we know), they'll probably need to assign it a new letter...like...M for Mothership or something...

Posted by: G Odin Jun 16th 2003, 6:01 PM

I can't understand what all the "rip-off " comments are coming from. The writers have been inserting Sci-Fi jokes and parodies for years, some have been more subtles and most are utterly undetectable except by those hardcore sci-fi fans, but it's not like it's something completely new. True, this one was glaringly obvious, but the fact that they set it up with the whole "I thought we where going with Red Leader for this one" makes it clear that it was a joke rather that a shameful attempt to rip-off A New Hope.

Posted by: SG1nut Jun 16th 2003, 6:08 PM

Stop whining!
Big deal! I frankly don't care! I thought they were using the Star Wars thang as a joke on their part because it was very similar to the real thing with the hyperspace and the manoeuvering Jack did.
Thought it was a great season opener, and I'm looking forward to all the other eps- so

Posted by: chi-town nox Jun 16th 2003, 9:40 PM

My complaint about ripping off star wars was that the producers and writers of stargate stole SCENES. I always love the one liners. Those are respectable and entertaining.

Posted by: sidewinder Jun 16th 2003, 10:03 PM

First time posting...
As far as the whole Gen. Hammond being de-sensitized, i think it has something to do with the fact that
A) The whole project is classified, so it's not like they can hold a parade or something
It's every SG member's job to do what they do. It's not like I go to work and everytime I do something that I am supposed to, they give me an award
C) Simply to get to the rank of "General" I'd imagine that you would have to seem some pretty serious stuff
Those points aside, I do remember the SG-1 team getting SOME recognition a couple of seasons ago (I dont remember the episode)...but it's the one where Carter get's promoted from Capt. to Major. I think it might be 201.

Posted by: OdinisThor'sDad Jun 17th 2003, 5:13 AM

You know....I think RDA made it star warsy for a laugh , just so he could snoop around SGforumns and laugh his ass off. I thought it was pretty coll. Could have been better, but the Red leader remark....classicRDA.

Posted by: Agent Jun 17th 2003, 9:51 AM

I don't know... It was too serious for a "planned joke"... If it was a planted joke i'd expect some refernece t othat in the show.. instead, they were dead serious.

Posted by: MrBooleano Jun 17th 2003, 5:42 PM

Ok well just downloaded the episode and watched it.

I thought it was a good episode, seemed different from other episodes ive seen, but in a good way. Im sick of reading all this star wars similarity crap. Who the hell cares that it resembles star wars in some way, it made for a good scene and good plot to the show. Get over it.

As for the episode, i thought it was good generally, got some good battles in, whilst getting some good emotional moments in. Cant wait for the rest of S7

The only bit that initially confused me, was the part where they planted a fake tablet to lure Anubis to the planet. We havent really seen this done before, which was what surprised me, and was a bit confusing to see. Anyway, a new concept to the SG1 storyline, very cool

Posted by: Bowley Jun 17th 2003, 11:16 PM

Chi-town, yea that's true, but there have been some award ceremonies before like when Carter was promoted to Major. Saving the world is just all in a days work for these people. He can save up his major appreciation for when the world is inches away from destruction again...like the Blackhole episode (one of my favorites)

I have to work this friday won't be able to watch the new episode...damn

Posted by: Bowley Jun 17th 2003, 11:19 PM

Posted by: cruordeinfidelis Jun 18th 2003, 4:37 PM

I agree, these episodes owned, but i would have like to see more dogfighting. oh well it was sweet non the less.

And at the End of season one/ Beginning of season two they at least had everyone in the gate room claping for them. I'd be pissed if was Sg-1, I think they at least deserve a standing ovation for saving the world/galaxy. Also i wonder if Jack and Sam have recieved the Medel of Honor yet, i mean they've saved the world/galaxy 9 times (to my count), or do you have to be dead to get that. Oh nevermind they've all died several times already .

Posted by: Kiwi_Cable Jun 22nd 2003, 2:48 PM

Can someone help me...

When does Season 7 start airing in the UK !?!?!?

Thanks,
Kiwi.

Posted by: Raxor Jun 22nd 2003, 2:53 PM

september sometime...

Posted by: Kiwi_Cable Jun 22nd 2003, 3:01 PM

Oh thank god !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For a minute there I thought I was missing it !!!!!!!!

Posted by: OdinisThor'sDad Jun 24th 2003, 1:02 AM

Download it....................easy

Posted by: SSG Ret Jun 27th 2003, 9:16 PM

I wonder if we will hear from Yu again? Or his First Prime for that matter? The senior System Lords should be getting nervous about him. He is proving that even with changing hosts and their magic boxes, they are not immortal. After thousands of years of "I am your god", a Gou'ald dieing of what is the equivelant of old age should rock them to the core.

Posted by: OdinisThor'sDad Jun 30th 2003, 1:51 AM

They knew about it before, so what's the problem. A few thousand years.....awww too bad.

Posted by: smellycorpse Jul 1st 2003, 4:37 AM

heheheh yu pulling a danel just to be writen out of the scenes:>
both ep's 701 702 were great. i wish it was a 3 parter with the last ep of the 6th season as part one as they alway have done...

Posted by: ramuund Jul 1st 2003, 6:05 PM

sorry to ask in a second decussion but could some one be a life saver and show us some links so i can download as i live in england and i don't wanna wait till blimmin' september

Posted by: OdinisThor'sDad Jul 2nd 2003, 3:41 AM

Look under episode downloads.

Posted by: The Evil One Jul 2nd 2003, 9:39 AM

I want to see it NOW !!

I don't want to download it though as the quality isn't as good.... Well I'll have to wait till it's shown here in the Uk.

Posted by: Aesir Jul 2nd 2003, 11:35 AM

QUOTE (The Evil One @ Jul 2 2003, 03:39 PM)

I want to see it NOW !! I don't want to download it though as the quality isn't as good.... Well I'll have to wait till it's shown here in the Uk.

Posted by: Ogru Jul 11th 2003, 11:32 AM

Regardless of how many times folks can say it - I will say it also....I thought the likeness to star wars was a bit lame. In all the years I have been watching and StarGate....and now own a lot of the DVD sets - I have come to expect a bit more creativeness when it comes to the story/plot lines.

Yes...there have been some things that you just see coming a mile away (like the Tritonin would help Jaffa not need a baby snake)....but what can ya say.

From a gracious "nod" to the SW series...I thought it was a great connection. Just like the "nod" to Armagedon (in Fail Safe), dissing the movie "Signs" in the gym scence of Orpheous, and other references as such....I think that's neat.

But....a little dissappointed. The fight/flight scences were neat though!!

Posted by: Joans Quin Jul 11th 2003, 12:15 PM

this epsoide was great once danny and joans got on-bord anubious mothership, I liked the fact that we got to see the F-302 in action, I wounder why they changed the name from the X-302 to the F-302??

Posted by: OdinisThor'sDad Jul 11th 2003, 12:20 PM

Because most Air force aircrafts are F-something or other

Posted by: Apis Jul 17th 2003, 3:29 PM

I have not seen this episode yet, and probably won't for quite some time. I do have a question though, do they actually broadcast Michael Shanks nude?
and if they do, are there any parts showing? I hope that Stargate doesn't resort to putting nudity in their episodes because it doesn't belong in a show like that, and in the long term it will do more damage for the show than good because they're going to alienate all of their family viewers.

Posted by: Aesir Jul 17th 2003, 3:38 PM

Posted by: SSG Ret Jul 21st 2003, 3:57 PM

I felt sorry for Teal'c when Daniel came bouncing in to tell him that he remembered Sharre's name. Teal'c looked like he was in agony. I think he was expecting any second for Daniel to ask how she died.

Posted by: French Carter Jul 29th 2003, 4:15 PM

Goods episodes: I love the come back of Daniel (nude is cute!)

Posted by: theasguardian Aug 3rd 2003, 5:27 PM

Concerning why the "x" - 302 would be changed to the "f" - 302... the "x" is the military designation for developmental or experimental models, the "f" for actual aircraft that is past the design stage.

Posted by: DR Larry Murphy Sep 16th 2003, 11:10 AM

I downloaded the episode the ther day, it looks brilliant I can't wait until they make a full episode involving the Snakeskinners

Posted by: SSG Ret Sep 16th 2003, 3:59 PM

I think I missed something. Snakeskinners?

Posted by: Spacen Sep 18th 2003, 12:50 PM

Posted by: DR Larry Murphy Sep 19th 2003, 5:27 PM

Snakeskinners, I got it from this mag about SG1 the F302 fighter squadrons name

Posted by: Raxor Sep 29th 2003, 1:00 PM

60 mins to go

Posted by: DR Larry Murphy Sep 29th 2003, 2:47 PM

I've already seen this episode but tv quality so much better, mmmmm I think Star wars and Jeqi esque skills very good

Posted by: stargatesweetie Sep 29th 2003, 3:02 PM

Just seen the episode, I have not read the earlier posts so if I'm repeating anyone or anything...my apologies.
A good, solid start to the season though I was a little disappointed with the Starwars overtures ie gotta blow the vent, very Death Star-esque. You'd have thought that the writers would have come up with something a little more original.
Jack witicisms abounded..hoorah..and i liked it when Daniel was calling Jack, Jim.
On a side note, Jonas and Daniel seem to work well together..like geeks in a pod

Posted by: Raxor Sep 29th 2003, 3:02 PM

so anubus doesnt have his death star
some points about this episode

- daniel is back, yet his memory arent fully
- jack is as funny as ever, good one
- sam has a weird hair this year
- nice too see hammond offworld
- there goes the end of Yu, hope they dont do the same to baal note that i dont mean he died, just a way for them to make him not cool
- nice to see the planet of vis uban, cool place
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- anubus's death star, very similar
- i thought hammond was going to say 'may the force be with you'
- the guns looked like a complete scene from
- special effects, good as ever, even if it was almost ripped from
- overall rating for 701 fallen


2/5 couldnt give it anything lower than that
its an ok season premier, not the best, i stil prefered redemption though

Posted by: Aesir Sep 29th 2003, 3:30 PM

I agree with Raxor that it was just 'OK' for a season premiere. The Star Wars stuff stood out even more the second time.

One thing that stood out when I watched it this time was that when Daniel and Jonas were in that room on the mothership and the Jaffa were trying to get in, you could clearly here that they were banging on the door with presumably their fists and there was a slight metallic sound to it too, so maybe their staff weapons.

My question is... why? Did they seriously think they could bash the door down? We know even staff blasts can't penetrate those doors ('Descent').

Posted by: Emmyloo Sep 29th 2003, 3:32 PM

Ok, after reading 4 pages of other peoples posts, i get my turn.

I wouldnt say that i was dissapointed with this episode but i would say that it left a lot to be desired.

For one thing i think they should have gone into a bit more detail of how they changed the tablet and how they left it to be found by Anubis, as this particular element of the episode just seemed to happen a bit too quickly and easily for my liking.

The Star Wars references and similarities were not lame, although at one point my dad walked in and said...."i thought you said you were watching Stargate". The special effects were excellent (as always), and Jack's (or should i say...Jim's) little one liners were spot on.

I too felt really sorry for Teal'c when Daniel came in all happy because he remembered Sha're, and he had to tell him that she had died. I was expecting Daniel to ask how she died and then Teal'c would have to tell him that he killed her, but it didnt happen.

All in all, this episode was an ok start to the season, but i dont think this ep will ever go down in the stargate hall of fame.

Posted by: Spacen Sep 29th 2003, 3:35 PM

Posted by: Fallen_Angel Sep 29th 2003, 6:21 PM

Am i the only one to notice how the briefing was SLIGHTLY similar to that of star wars as well? or am i gettin to deep into how they parodied/homaged star wars. And yea, the red leader line was the best. So whens anubis gonna tell daniel hes his father then?

Posted by: Spacen Sep 29th 2003, 7:32 PM

That happens right after Anubis and Daniel get into a fight and Anubis cuts off Daniel's hand. Haven't you seen that movie?

Posted by: Majikthize Sep 29th 2003, 7:47 PM

Oh no. The briefing was so very much ripped from Star Wars too. That was the first momnet I though..."Hang on a minute. You can't do that!".

But aparently they can and the did, and I still have mixed feelings on whether it was an excellent homage to a great sci fi movie or simply a step too far and therefore just a little like that crazy stalker fan you can't quite shake. (hey, don't expect me to make sense, it's 2 am London time).

Jack's one liners were good but...hmm, sometimes I think it's all a little too trite from him. Sure he's the funny one among them, but I miss those moments when he drops the persona and becomes a cold hard deadly serious military machine. The "No he plays one on TV" line just had to be an ad lib though. I think I may have to start a Season 7 AdLibWatch or something.

Overall I liked it. Not mind blowingly special, but they had a lot to pack into a small space and they managed to do so without confusing this viewer (a worthy feat given the amount of people who decided to call or come round mid viewing).
Thought Sam and Jack had a nice easy going banter thing going on there. Nothing shippy mind (which is pretty amazing given my abilities to project) just thought it was quite punchy and added good team feeling to it all. I aslo liked Sam's "Two words. Gate Address." at the start.
Wasn't that a great single shot camera pan on Jonas at the beginning. Not often that I notice stuff like that but this one was great.

Hmm. Now for the base and purile stuff. Sam's hair looks great, albiet not very military. I can live with that though.
Daniel looked fine too. Especially at the start when he was butt naked. Does the man not have any chest hair though? It's not natural I tell you.
Did they borrow the blue contact lenses from Dune for him though? His peepers looks so bright blue.
Jack's hair looks better with the slight floppiness around the front too. Didn't like Jonas's hair though. (I warned you it was base and purile didn't I?)

Posted by: Jon The UK SG-1 Fan Sep 30th 2003, 5:53 AM

I loved that ep!!!! saw it last nite in UK , My only problem with that ep was that it was such a coincidence that they went to the world were danny boy was. Oh well Die Anubis!!!!!!! Can't wait for 702!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: SSG Ret Sep 30th 2003, 6:30 AM

How do you know that Danny wasn't sent there because SG1 was coming?

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Posted by: Tarzie Sep 30th 2003, 8:37 AM

Everyone's been talking about the Star Wars similarities in this ep. but no one has mentioned the totally copy from Buffy at the beginning. Daniel descending was practically identical to Angel coming back from hell in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, season 3, ep 3, Faith, Hope, and Trick.
Daniel is naked, like Angel, and he is even in the same position lying on the floor. I thought the ep. was good, not the best ever, but I think Daniel could have come back in a more original way.
Can't wait for part 2!

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Posted by: Dafmeister Sep 30th 2003, 9:39 AM

Man how good was that ep. Hope the rest of the season follows suit. Cant wait for the rest of it.

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Posted by: eliminator Sep 30th 2003, 10:21 AM

Well after having an absence of Stargate for 5 months I am very glad that i saw that epsiode, and so what if the scene after Sam and Jack(Jim ) went into hyperspace into the shields of Anubi's "Death Star" was a little bit it still rocked, especially with Jack's heartwarming Sarcasm.

Posted by: Aesir Oct 1st 2003, 10:07 AM

Posted by: Majikthize Oct 1st 2003, 4:34 PM

On the subject of the Daniel descension/Angel return from hell similarity I have this to add.
Firstly; it's logical that Daniel would come back from his ascension naked because when people ascend they tend to leave their clothes behind (Acsension, Full Circle if you want evidence). Therefore what are they supposed to wear when they return.* I don't know what Angels excuse was. He was fully dressed when he got sucked into that hell portal thing so he should've come back clothed (not that I'm complaining much).
Secondly; of course the pose would be identical. The men were both naked and, as much as my smutty mind would've liked it, I doubt the censor would have. The only way to avoid a full frontal or butt shot in the circumstances is to curl up on your side like that. Kudos to both Micheal Shanks and David Boreanaz for having the guts to do it. (And there was me thinking MS was getting a bit lardy in his old age...clearly not!)
Thirdly; Cmdr Thor. How the hell can you possibly say a TV series about people who regularly travel to other planets through a metal ring to do battle against evils with a snake in their heads/stomachs is any more realistic than a teenage girl slaying vampires and monsters? I agree with you, though, that they are two totally different series and therefore cannot be compared.


*Having said that is does raise some interesting questions as to why Jack always saw him with that hideous chunky cream sweater on, but then if he'd appeared before Jack naked it might've been a little too homoerotic for sci fi.

Posted by: ramuund Oct 2nd 2003, 2:30 PM

I watched the episode also knowing that on the end of the phone my dad was.......

Personally, we both agreed that we didn't appreciate the flimsiness that Jack gave to General Hammond etc. He kept putting one liners in and it didn't seem real for a military operation (taking away from the fact it is actually a tv show ). I didn't like the briefing room bit, were carter said things like "more insane than blowing up a sun........." or things like that-didn't find it funny.

My dad had a laugh at the beginning because he thought he was watching thw wrong channel and was watching JOHN DOE-you know the show where he doesn't know who he is.....before he realised he was on the right chaneel he was frantically loking for stargate!

Posted by: eliminator Oct 3rd 2003, 2:11 AM

it reminded me of that too, since i am starting to watch the rest of what you guys left for us to watch of john Doe after they cancelled it over in USA. GRRRR!!!!!!!

Posted by: SSG Ret Oct 3rd 2003, 6:25 AM

I liked the way Daniel was tenatively probing to find out just who these weird people were supposed to be to him. It was like he wasn't sure he wanted to know!

Posted by: eliminator Oct 3rd 2003, 10:03 AM

Especially when Daniel kept calling Jack "Jim"

Posted by: SSG Ret Oct 3rd 2003, 10:11 AM

Yeah, the look on Jack's face was great.

Another good moment was when Dr. Fraiser handed him his glasses and he put them on. The surprise on his face!

Posted by: princessgater Oct 7th 2003, 5:27 AM

just finshed watching this one and it did seem very Star Wars...not than i mind, it made it funny.
the whole jim thing was so funny i think near the end daniel was just doing it to wind jack up (his face when ever he was called jim was priceless)

Posted by: blue jello Oct 10th 2003, 12:14 PM

I loved:

S- 'Nice shot sir!'
J- 'Why thankyou Ma'am'

and of course all the Jim bits!

Posted by: anastasia_beaverhausen Oct 12th 2003, 9:43 AM

Maybe I'm a little slow here, but what did Jack mean when he said "everyone turn away, I want no witnesses"?

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Posted by: eliminator Oct 12th 2003, 4:08 PM

Even I got that one, yep the jim bussiness was funny when daniel did it on purpose in the briefing. It's seems that Danile is recovering a lot more memories than we first thought especially when he started re-reading the mission reports of earlier missions.

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Posted by: eliminator Oct 12th 2003, 4:39 PM

Yep according the SFX magazine they haven't even finished with the second (or is it third?) series of John Doe, and they haven't even shown half the series already over here, it's a shame coz I found out in the mag what the huge secret of the show was when they told us the bad news.

Posted by: Kenubis_98 Oct 19th 2003, 3:51 AM

This is my first post in this forum. I've been reading your work for a few years now. It's great.

Please help me, this is really bugging me. In Ep701 (Fallen). The planet that they lure Anubis to (Vis Uban) is on the stargate address list of the ancients NOT THE GOA'ULD. Presumably, the goa'uld dont (didn't) know it's location. Why was there a Goa'uld ring transport platform on the planet ??

There were no other signs of Goa'uld monuments there.

This is really confusing..

Please help me...

Could this prove that the Goa'uld originally stole the ring transport system from the ancients?

I think the writers of Sg-1 have made a serious mistake in this ep regarding the ring transport system.

In the words of Oneill to the Sg-1 writers "This is the wackiest thing they've ever come up with!"
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Posted by: RookiesRevenge Oct 19th 2003, 7:14 AM

I'm not certain if the rings were Ancient Tech, but you'd be hard pressed to find anything the Gua'uld didn't steal from other cultures.

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Posted by: Aesir Oct 19th 2003, 7:47 AM

Posted by: eliminator Oct 19th 2003, 8:52 AM

Okay this is quite simple to answer if you've seen all of the series'.

The goul'd ring transports have two different ways of being used:
1) They can connect to any other ring transorter on the planet as long as they are above it in orbit, and so that is what you are assuming happened here, but...

2) If there are no rings on the planet then it can be sent anywhere they want on the surface (this could also be done if there are already some on the planet), and would need one of those wrist devices to control it to pick them up again.

Posted by: Aesir Oct 19th 2003, 9:36 AM

Posted by: Kenubis_98 Oct 19th 2003, 5:01 PM

Ok, I see what your saying. You're probably talking about an al'kesh coming down & ringing out jaffa (as seen at the start of Ep608 The Other Guys). But that doesnt explain the ring platform that was underneath the dirt on Vis Uban. I saw the rings, they were real. Why is it so hard to accept that the Goa'uld most likely stole the rings from the ancients. Even the Tau'ri have figured out the technology by now (we have rings on Prometheus).

Speaking of prometheus, wouldn't it be funny if it was finished a couple of years earlier (I'd say around mid-season 4) and when Osiris escaped from Egypt in her ship, she'd be thinking that she'd be ruling the galaxy for eternity. She gets out of Earth orbit. Then Prometheus comes out from around the corner and says hello...

She wouldn't have a chance, we have asguard weapons & her ship is 4000 years old. Who knows if the Goa'uld even had shields then.

I would have liked that ending alot more.


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Posted by: eliminator Oct 22nd 2003, 10:18 AM

yeah the rings do seem more like ancient technology to me, since they did live in harmony with the nox, asgard and furlings ( ?) but the very early goul'd were probably only just starting to evolve on their planet.

I wonder which of the lanets we've seen is the very firs Goul'd homeworld? the one where the Unas live?

Posted by: Aesir Oct 22nd 2003, 11:41 AM

Posted by: eliminator Oct 23rd 2003, 2:03 AM

Thought so, then why don't they go back theire and set up a goul'd unas slave camp again? The unas are probably much more suited than the jaffa in the concentration camp in orpheus.

Posted by: Aesir Oct 23rd 2003, 5:36 AM

Posted by: glom Nov 4th 2003, 2:35 PM

What began with 'Unnatural Selection', where they wasted a golden opportunity to expand on a great story, continued with 'Full Circle', where they didn't give the important plots points the space they deserved, has culminated in 'Fallen', where no less than three episodes worth of plot was thrown into a blender and poured into a single.

The writers have gotten themselves into a nasty habit. They need to learn to slow down. IMHO, it's better to leave a well told story unfinished than to rush it to completion and make a mess of it. The pacing started off okay, but they only gave Daniel a limited amount of time before they rushed him into remembering so they could get on with the rest of the story.

Then it seemed as though an entire act was thrown away. The preparations for the attack was so rushed, you almost end up not caring. The idea of using that carousel of clips to show many things going on can work well if it shows what we already know, but to use it to advance the plot just shows you're rushing.

They did take the Star Wars thing too far. The problem is not the style of combat, or the RDAism about red leader. Even the exhaust port was not too bad because after all, such a weapon would need to be cooled and an exhaust port would be a vulnerable target. But the shot of the core exploding was just going too far. The battle should have been extended and involved having to take out multiple exhaust ports. After all, a weapon like that would need more than one.

AFAIK the rings came from above implying an Alkesh or something like it.

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Posted by: mithwriter Jan 2nd 2004, 8:26 PM

Just got a chance to re-watch this one tonight...thank you SciFi!

Upon a second viewing, I really noticed the performances that all the SG1 actors gave...and yes, MS. In fact, I felt regret remembering that Jonas was sent back to Kelowna a short time later. The scenes between Daniel and Jonas had a mentor/student feel to them. Daniel was the older, wiser, been there done that guy (though still missing a few of his marbles at the time) and Jonas was the younger, eager student trying to help as much as he can.

I also enjoyed watching Daniel trying to get reaquainted with SG-1. Admittedly, at first it it looks like an odd reaction. I mean here's this team that finds out one of its members is alive and kicking, and their reaction seems standoffish. However, if you really pay attention to the actors' you'll notice that Jack, Sam, and Teal'c are trying to balance the act of both prodding Daniel's memory and giving him some space to make some discoveries on his own.

This point is most obvious when Daniel finds the picture of Sha're in his quarters and asks Jack who she is. Instead of telling him, Jack replies..."You tell me."

Another thing I noticed is that Daniel has an escort when he walks around the SGC when he first gets back I thought that was odd, because I'm assuming that the escort is not present to simply make sure he doesn't get lost. Did they think he was a security risk because of his memory lapses? And if that was the case, why would he be allowed into the briefing, which he was not invited to and Hammond told him was classified?

Posted by: Osy Jan 2nd 2004, 8:34 PM

How exactly did they get a picture of Sha're?

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Posted by: Jedidude Jan 18th 2004, 12:26 PM

I'm glad Daniel retruns.

Posted by: Albion Jan 31st 2004, 9:29 AM

I just caught up finally with Fallen/Homecoming last night and I have to say that I absolutely loved both of them. I'd read this thread yesterday and to be honest I wasn't expecting to from reading the comments. My heart sank as I trawled through the thread. But having seen them, I really don't know what all the complaining was about! <g> I was just delighted from start to finish.

I didn't think that the 'Star Wars' moments were particularly blatant, in fact if I hadn't read this thread first half of them probably wouldn't even have registered with me. And they didn't bother me even when I noticed them. I loved every single one of Jack's one liners - they'll never put too many of them in for this fan <G>. And I just thought it was a really nice way to bring back Daniel.

It was funny, action-packed and poignant by turns.

The only thing that bothered me a little was Jonus' leaving at the end. He wasn't one of my favourite characters - although with my usual perversity he really grew on me in these just when he was leaving (I do this a lot - I hated the Irish guy in Angel's S1 right up until the episode he died in. <rollseyes>) - but it seemed a little ungrateful really. <g> I think someone on a thread somewhere hit the nail on the head with "Don't let the Stargate hit you on the way out'. It had that feel to it. The team looked kind of embarrassed, as though they kind of felt that way too.

But that was my only little niggle with these. I just adored them from start to finish.

Albion

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Posted by: Colonel_O'Neill Mar 2nd 2004, 12:23 PM

Guys, Guys! Ive just watched the first episode of season 7, will watch the rest later. Ok i won?t talk to much

Here goes : Daniel Jackson returned to sg-1???, But plz tell me he will remember who is, in episode 2?`?? Because in this one don?t, i almost thought to my self: "God are they really stupid the screen writers, i mean i wan?t Daniel not someone who dont really know how is.

The first episode he wasnt really himself. He just said to jack i remember what i need. Well know its really not the same thing, If he cant remember his past, then his NOT Daniel Jackson, if you got my poing. I wanna hear him say: Jack its me, i remember now!?!?!?

Plz tell me this happens in episode II??!??

Later

O?Neil

Posted by: Colonel_O'Neill Mar 2nd 2004, 12:25 PM

sorry for the nuff spelling above

Posted by: ribbondevice Mar 3rd 2004, 3:04 PM

! ! FINALLY ! !

Season seven has arrived on german television (about 45 min ago)
there are just so many bad dubbings, it's cruel to watch

Fortunetaly I'm in possesion of a nice DVD already know how it ends....

It's always cool to watch eps over and over again. Especially big ones like this.
You think Yu is really dying away? If he is one of the oldest Systemlords, well, I think this is discussed in nitpicking.

Posted by: disforw Mar 5th 2004, 10:05 PM

I think I have found a problem.
In this episode Daniel descends back to human form, but he has lost his entire memory. Yet we have seen back in season 5 (Ascension) that Orlan did the same thing (retook human form) yet his memory was intact.

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Posted by: SG-15 Mar 6th 2004, 2:52 PM

I saw it again last night, and I finaly got around to disscusing it. And I finaly have a recording of it.

I liked it alot. Mainly for Daniels return. I still haven't seen Full Circle (622), so I'm still a little lost.

Rating: 9/10

Posted by: Bec Mar 12th 2004, 3:26 PM

Awww...this is so not fair!

I was on holiday when it was shown here and I thought I could watch it in Florida (where I was) but the episodes there were already a few episodes ahead...so I missed the first two of Season 7!

~Bec

Posted by: three fries shortofa happymeal Mar 12th 2004, 3:32 PM

i had that problem but we got back just in time yay!!!

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Posted by: Mac.Fan Apr 10th 2004, 4:01 PM

Jonas though he found the lost city but insead they find Daniel. At lest he is slowly getting his memors back and to help fight anubis.

Posted by: Jedidude May 14th 2004, 1:44 PM

I'm glad Daniel came back. Or else Season 7 would have sucked! I didn't like season 6 at all, probably because it hardly had Daniel. But most of the Season 7 episodes were a disappointment.

Posted by: Xbuster Aug 2nd 2004, 2:07 PM

Is it just me or did they refer to the X-302 as the "F" -302?? What's with the F? Or is it my ears that need to be checked out on remont??

Other than that, your average cool episode, definetly on the "better ones"-side. Although some parts of their plans was left unexplained, and that's a little unfair to us retarded folks!

Still, the dogfight in space was waaaay cool. Just hope that us earthlings will come up with a new weapon-system for space fighting, or else those missiles are gonna run out preeeetty fast!!
*X-302 kicks deathglider-ass anyday!!!!*

Posted by: Reignfire Aug 2nd 2004, 2:14 PM

The X numbering is for prototypes so the original one is the X-302. When that model was put into production, that series is now the F-302.

Posted by: Sam&Jack4eva Sep 5th 2004, 1:56 PM

Personally i thought this was a cracking episode. It was fast paced, excited, had space fight scenes and most importantly of all it was hilarious. Richard Dean Anderson is a funny guy, but in this one he was especially funny.

It was also nice to have Daniel back, Jonas was not a fit replacement for him.

A great quote:

"He is Jaffa."

"No, he just plays one on TV". That made me laugh.

This season opener was much better than the slow paced snore fest of season six's.

Posted by: Dr Sam Sep 6th 2004, 12:53 PM

Wow, I thought this thread would be buzzing after 701 finally aired on terrestrial in the UK but obviously not!

The bit that confused the hell out of me was right before Carter's briefing when it just went through loads of snap shots of preparations for the mission in not time at all. I didn't get what on earth was going on at first. Given that setting up an aliance with a system lord is not on the every-day list of jobs at the SGC, it seems a bit weird that they just fast-forwarded through all the details...unless I suppose they wanted it deliberatley vague to keep the suspense of how the plan will unravel later in the episode. And the whole 'fake tablet' could have been covered a bit better for me, plus we suddenly get a fully operational space 'ship' rather than a prototype - all in all a few leaps of faith required to keep up with it I think!! Actually, I reckon there was at least two episodes worth of ideas here.

Still good though, and looking forward to the rest of the season.

Oooh - just remembered something else. At the beginning when Daniel is saying he may or may not want to remember who he is, Sam says "You see its the 'not' part..." - is it just me, or did that sound very like something Jack would say?

Posted by: Hazaa3000 Sep 10th 2004, 7:05 AM

It's good to see Danny back. Although, I thought the part he played in Season 6 was really good. I can now finally catch up on season 7! yay

Posted by: Too Fun! Sep 26th 2004, 10:25 PM

Saw this episode for the first time last night and liked it.
I noticed all the people on the planet wore blue....wonder why. Good color on Daniel

Loved Jacks jokes about T playing a Jaffa on TV as well as the whole Red Leader thing (always did love Star Wars!)

Next week I get to see how they rescue Daniel and Jonas (I will not read the spoilers, I will not read the spoilers, I will not read the spoilers....someone hide the spoilers please)

Posted by: ramuund Sep 27th 2004, 4:50 AM

Unlike alot of episodes of Sg1 I have had no urge to re watch this yet.

I am was dissapointed about this eps for some reason but I cannot lay my finger on what it is?
It can be hard to admit, in a very Daniel friendly forum as this is, but I was kinda dissapointed that Daniel was coming back and that we were on the way to losing Jonus. I think that is the most likely reason, for me personally, why I do not like this episode so much.

I guess I am also disspointed as to how they brough Daniel back but, in the case of the storyline, it was most likely the only way that they could bring him back in a realistic way......in...erm......a sci fi fantasy way!LMAO!

Posted by: wonderland Sep 27th 2004, 5:41 AM

This episode was supposed to be on in syndication in my area this weekend, so I was all excited, having never seen it. And what did the station air? Some lane-ass tele-marketing thing! I was royally pissed, if I could only have located my staff weapon, I would have done some serious damage. .. to my own TV, probably not a good thing.
Oh, well, must wait until the Season 7 discs ship in October. How many days till October 15?? Too damn many

Posted by: wonderland Oct 20th 2004, 7:43 PM

Oh, my God, i just got my Season Seven set today and watched this episode!! That was one of the best shows, I loved it!! After I watched it, I started it all over and watched it again. Then I watched "Homecoming", these two are destined to join my favorite episodes.
Things I loved:
-how they (writers, directors and especially Michael) managed to regress Daniel. It is damn near impossible to make a character regain innocence, make them more vulnerable, lose some self-assurance, but they did it here. Michael was dead on with Daniel's fears and insecurities.
-Loved the play with the other team members. The hand to stop Sam from touching him. His expression when Jack said "I want no witnesses", he looked like he was afraid Jack was really going to hurt him. And when he put his glasses on for the first time and looked at Jack, suddenly, for me anyway, he was Daniel again. Love the little hair joke.
-The scene between Teal'c and Daniel when he learns Sha're is dead, I thought Teal'c was gonna bawl.
-And were those streaks of tears on Daniel's face when Jack approached him in the tent?
-And how they all felt when they realized a totally unprepared Daniel, along with Jonas, were trapped on Anubis's ship.
-there was action aplenty.
Just wished they had kept Jonas, I really think that could have added a bit of interest to the story. Jonas already knew how well respected Daniel was, finding out how truly well-loved Daniel was would have added a whole new wrinkle to this one. A real missed opportunity, there.

Posted by: IndyJan Oct 21st 2004, 1:02 AM

I got my season 7 and watched this episode with the voiceover by Martin Wood and Michael shanks! As always they made it special and funny. Michael's comments about hiding from the Jaffa at the end, when the Jaffa quickly turned and seemed to hear something and went to look for whoever was hiding, were very funny. Michael said he didn't understand when he saw this, why the Jaffa turned and looked for him, since Michael hadn't made a sound. He figured they would have added a sound during the editing, but they didn't. Anyway, Michael said that the Jaffa's spidey sense kicked in, LOL! The first DVD has a Michael Shanks, beyond the gate series. That was funny also.

Posted by: wonderland Oct 21st 2004, 4:30 AM

Posted by: LuvThatShanks Oct 21st 2004, 7:18 AM

Yay! It was Season Seven DVD here!! Sorry but I've literally been counting days because I missed this episode on its run on Sci-Fi.

I, of course, was so happy to see Daniel I let out a squeal of pure joy (although how freaking freezing must Shanks have been when he was cousin of naked - I'm sure he had the required "sock" in place).

I loved how they echoed the exact reasons that Daniel is hesitant to ascend when he descends. He's afraid he won't like the person he was. His scene with Sam in the tent was really touching. It was fitting too because Sam outwardly mourned him so much in season six it makes a lot of story sense to have her words be the ones that have him decide to come back. AT was great in that and Daniel's face was really sweet to see as he listened to her.

So was his joy at remembering Sha're. That's literally the best acting I've seen out of Chris Judge ever. He did look just absolutely as if his heart was being ripped out and it is one of the few times we ever see the mighty Teal'c look a bit frightened. I wasn't terrified that Daniel would ask how Sha're died but I think we are to understand that poor Teal'c might have been.

The entire Anubis thing. Oy. Enough with Anubis as the villain he's boring. Starwars - references - don't bother me at all but Anubis bugs the hell out of me.

All of that said, I honestly felt SO sorry for Corin Nemec. "Hi, you're fired because we got the guy we really wanted back. Anyway, here's the deal, two episodes and you're outta here - now do your best!" I thought CN proved what a professional he is because the entire "Enter Daniel, swiftly exit Jonas" thing had to sting a bit.

Were those the opening credits they played in the original airing because that too is a bit cold. They could have left Corin in for his last two episodes.

Still, I loved having Daniel back so much and Oma finally quit annoying me because of how obvious it is that she's rigged Daniel's being able to regain his memory.

I agree with other posters that said that RDA seemed a bit low energy in this but I thought the look on his face when he turns around and sees Daniel was GREAT.

Posted by: oddball Oct 28th 2004, 8:30 AM

this episode was just aired in melbourne, australia (bout time) and instantly i thought of star wars. It had to be deliberate there is no way they could 'accidentally' parallel it. they probably decided to save on money buy cut and pasting the power core from the death star. i agree with alot of the people it wasnt that great (compared to what it could have been). But jim....i mean jack was a crack up (as always)

"i thought we were gonna go with red leader"

Posted by: Joel Oct 28th 2004, 10:52 PM

It is good to you that season 7 is aired in your place, in ours it is only season 3. But I had watched it through download.

I had noticed on thing is Anubis use guns in the point defence system. It seems It has recoil.


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Posted by: laurab Oct 30th 2004, 12:05 AM

I watched it for the first time. This ep started off in a cool way, but they (Melb7) could have warned viewers about the nudity! (When Daniel appeared).
When I saw Jonas for the first time in this ep, i thought 'What's with the hair?!'. I thought the same thing when Sam appeared for the fist time! talking about Sam, she made a joke! Jonas came in and said; 'I got it!' (or something like that!), & Sam replied;'Hopefully, it's not contagious.' I think that had to be one of the few jokes Sam has made!
Jack made one later on, about Teal'c ("No, but he plays one on T.V."). That was followed by a shot of Teal'c & Sam. Sam tried to keep a straight face- obviosly it was funny!
Did u guys notice the reaction Jack had when that guy told him what the name they gave Daniel (Arrom- or something) meant! It was like; 'Where did u get that from?!'.
I kinda knew Daniel would go back to Earth with SG1. Sam must have said something that made Daniel realise that they (SG1) want him back!
I laughed everytime Daniel called Jack 'Jim'! That was soo cool! Jack & Daniel had quite a few jokes in this, more than usual.
When Daniel found out Sha're was dead, you could see the sadness in his eyes. Poor Daniel. (At that point, my sister asked me; 'Is she really dead or is she still a goa'uld?' My sister hasn't seen that ep, where Sha're dies. Neither have i, but i've read about it).
When Daniel looked at that tablet, he knew what it said. It showed that the writers still wanted Daniel to be his usual self! He told them it was the wrong city, then he went & said his notes were wrong! I thought 'OMG! How could he say that!'
Poor Jonas! He got captured! He's gonna have one of those spikey things put in his head!
Can't wait to see the next one!

Posted by: wonderland Nov 7th 2004, 5:16 PM

I have watched this episode multiple times since I got the DVDs and I seem to keep seeing things that I missed before.
Had to point out the scene when SG1 are bringing Daniel back home and they are walking down the ramp toward Hammond. Jack gestures toward Daniel with a "hey look what we found!" expression that is so sweet.

Posted by: Evo Nov 14th 2004, 10:23 AM

This episode is great (just started Season 7). It was so cool when they found Daniel. For a moment I thought Jack was gonna walk up to Daniel and wave his hand inside Daniel, to see if he was still an Ancient or not, but; it didn't happen

When I first saw Jonas and Carter, I was asking myself... what's wrong with their hair?

It was nice to see Anubis all mad and sh*t, it was just awesome.

Anyways, this was a good starting of the season.

Posted by: CitizenK Dec 9th 2004, 9:33 PM

Posted by: magnavox Jan 19th 2005, 8:24 PM

"Arom...it means 'naked one'" What a way to come back!

I loved the whole Daniel getting him memory back thing. Very funny in places but also very powerful. "Why am I here?", "Hey, why are any of us here!", Refering to Jack as 'Jim'. When they returned to earth it looked like O'Neill was presenting Daniel to Hammond like they do on The price is Right. The look on Teal'c's face when he had to reconfirm Sha'ri's death was breathtaking, the raw emotion is really evident and I think they were both great in that scene.

Jonas's hair looked like a ken dolls *Promises not to mention ken dolls anymore*

Carter's hair looked like she'd just been electricuted.

I liked the briefing room scene for the 'plan'. O'Neill was being a real jerk while Carter was trying to explain everything, I think she had every right to get annoyed with him like she did, you could see she was holding back. "As the Colonel is well aware...." but of course he still agrees to make the plan work anyway and listing off all the wacky plans lol!

"Nice shot Sir"
"Why thankyou Ma'am"
I liked all the Star Wars references and Anubis' 'death star' looked really cool.

Posted by: David_ofthe_Tar'e Aug 23rd 2005, 8:07 AM

The best thing about this episode for me was that Jonas and Danny were in an ep together. I really liked Jonas in the end. He was a good guy. I thought that he was a real ass the first time I saw him and I completely understood Jacks mistrust of him but he proved himself and really won respect.
Funny was Danny calling Jack, Jim. And Jack's 'Birds of a feather' line

Posted by: starryeyes Oct 10th 2005, 10:26 AM

Not a bad episode. So glad to see Daniel back and I'm glad he's starting to remember. I don't mind Sam's hair. Hair style change is okay in my books. I don't like Jonas's hair though. Nice to see Daniel and Jonas working together.

Posted by: IndyJan Oct 11th 2005, 12:04 PM

"Arom...it means 'naked one'" What a way to come back!

I loved the whole Daniel getting him memory back thing. Very funny in places but also very powerful. "Why am I here?", "Hey, why are any of us here!", Refering to Jack as 'Jim'. When they returned to earth it looked like O'Neill was presenting Daniel to Hammond like they do on The price is Right. The look on Teal'c's face when he had to reconfirm Sha'ri's death was breathtaking, the raw emotion is really evident and I think they were both great in that scene.

Jonas's hair looked like a ken dolls *Promises not to mention ken dolls anymore*

Carter's hair looked like she'd just been electricuted.

I liked the briefing room scene for the 'plan'. O'Neill was being a real jerk while Carter was trying to explain everything, I think she had every right to get annoyed with him like she did, you could see she was holding back. "As the Colonel is well aware...." but of course he still agrees to make the plan work anyway and listing off all the wacky plans lol!

"Nice shot Sir"
"Why thankyou Ma'am"
I liked all the Star Wars references and Anubis' 'death star' looked really cool.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Oct 11th 2005, 1:10 PM

I think the main reason why they did not keep Jonas was because he is american. American actors on the show are paid more than other nationalities. Which is why they tend to use nonamericans so much.

Posted by: IndyJan Oct 12th 2005, 11:48 AM

I think the main reason why they did not keep Jonas was because he is american. American actors on the show are paid more than other nationalities. Which is why they tend to use nonamericans so much.

Posted by: Spineshank Oct 12th 2005, 1:15 PM

I hadn't thought about that, you could be correct.  I know that RDA was paid a bit, but then they went to him in order to sell the series.

Posted by: IndyJan Oct 12th 2005, 7:24 PM

Your serious, so people from other coutries get paid less just becasue of that? Not because of talent or experience? But whether they are fomr the US or not, hmm didn't know that. Thanks for the info, i really wish they could've kept Jonas on as a 5th member, that would've been great. I actually liked him as Season 6 progress despite my disappointment losing Michael Shanks.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Oct 12th 2005, 7:44 PM

They mention the fact that nonamericans are payed less on the commentaries all the time. They did again with some of the S8 DVDs. One with PDL doing it. That is why there are so many Brits and Aussies and Canadians on the show. Dispite it being made in Canada.

Posted by: Dafmeister Oct 13th 2005, 3:32 AM

Posted by: Auntie Em! Oct 13th 2005, 3:46 AM

Daf are you serious? Most of the extras are Canadian. However, many of the guest stars are not American because American cost more to hire for the episodes. PDL said so on the commentaries.

Many of the semi regualars are foreigners. Look at most of the goa'ulds. Ba'al, Osiris etc. They are not Americans. They all have accents.

I am not saying there are a lot of American I am saying that there are alot of nonamericans.

Hell even Gary Jones is from the Uk, so is Sarah Douglas (Garshon of Belote), Nylan from "New Ground" played by Richard Ian Cox is from Wales, UK.

Seriously Daf a lot of your country men and women are in Stargate.

Posted by: Shane01 Oct 19th 2005, 11:39 PM

i liked it how danial comes back i like him better then jonus

Posted by: god of war Feb 23rd 2006, 2:54 PM

yah i dont know why jonas never seamed as cool as danile
and the writers only
put him to cover danile vacation i guess.
jonas just alowased used daniles notes to translate thngs

Posted by: I'm a janitor at the SGC 715 Mar 10th 2006, 1:54 AM

I love how they pretty much just copied off of star wars in this episode. In fact I think they mentioned this in the audio commentary on the dvd. Near the end of the show when Anubus was targeting the stargate, Hammond said "evacuate base camp." Where exactly were they evacuating too? I'm guessing they were going to go through the gate before Anubus fired the weapon. Because where else were they going to go, since Jonas said that the Naquada would have amplified the blast...which I would think would mean that the explosion would be the size of a nuclear bomb....and that would mean they wouldn't be able to out run the blast so they would have no chioce but to go through the gate.

Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 10th 2006, 4:54 AM

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Posted by: KillerDanny Apr 6th 2007, 2:01 PM

I got to see this episode. I was waiting for Daniel's return so much, but I was so surprised to see him without his memories. I think I was hoping too much for him to remember what he did as an ascended being. I probably expect him to remember things about it later, when the writers need something. Since it is a two-parter, I couldn't help myself seeing it all, so I will continue this in the other thread.

Posted by: Dafmeister Apr 6th 2007, 2:16 PM

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Posted by: KillerMarv Apr 6th 2007, 2:41 PM

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