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Posted by: Arcady Nov 29th 2004, 11:22 PM

Episode 14 - Sanctuary
Air Dates - Canada: Nov 29 2004, UK: Jan 18 2005, US: Feb 11 2005

The team finds a paradise world that would make an ideal sanctuary for those fleeing from the Wraith, but the local inhabitants believe their goddess will not permit it.

http://www.sg1archive.com/atlantis/s1.shtml#114 | http://www.sg1archive.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=8527 | http://www.sg1archive.com/teasers/a114.html

(This topic is for people who have seen the episode to discuss it. If you don't want to be spoiled, don't read this topic.)

Posted by: JaffaKree Nov 30th 2004, 2:05 AM

I thought this episode was good by Atlantis standards so far but I was a bit disappointed we didn't get to learn more about the Ancients. At the end of the day, nothing really changed in the grand scheme of things.

Posted by: Muskusrat Nov 30th 2004, 10:50 AM

Great episode, but there is someone bothering me. How come she could accent as an atlantis ancient and the others didn't? I mean in the first episode of atlantis they cleary say that they submerged the city and returned back to earth to live out their lives in peace. Knowing that, how can she have accended? I mean come on don't you think the rest of the atlantis ancients would have accended as well, knowing how (since she also did it and of what she said more of them did).

Posted by: nitesoul Nov 30th 2004, 11:26 AM

it is most likely that after she returned to earth and ascended with the rest, she came back to peg to check up on the planet(and ppl) that she was stationed at, saw they were being culled and intervened and was subsequently punished(very harsh punisment imo, having the power to end the wraith but forced to just watch them kill eveyone else but those on her planet)

but this is a good episode because we learn several things, first from that machine she activated that humans and ancients are difinitely different, second we find out that the ancients in their ascended form are still in the peg galaxy(makes you wonder if they are everywhere and just how fast and far they can travel) and third but most excitingly we learn the extent of their powers(or just the tip of the iceberg), i mean she was just one ancient and she took out an entire battle group, including a hiveship

this also features the 2nd gate we've come across that is in orbit rather then on the surface and a headnod to "ascension"(orlan sharing himself with sam just like arhar(sp?) with john) i wonder just how lonely are the ancients ^^'

Posted by: boy2star Nov 30th 2004, 1:47 PM

I just knew she was an ancient. My god I'm good.
Just loved this episode, lots of wraith ships blown up, some kissing, though I want to see more of Ford.

I also wonder what the "sharing" did to John. Will this have any consequences at all?

Maybe we some day will meet some ancients that didn't accend. And they wouldn't be bound by the rules.

Sorry for the spelling.

Posted by: Evo Nov 30th 2004, 2:41 PM

I adore this episode lol. It was really good for me because I liked Chaya/Ashtar. It was fantastic to see Sheppard in bit of a relationship, that I just like the most. I liked the part where when Chaya touched the machine it just lit on, that was cool and it brought alot of suspense. I was hoping to see more of what she would have activate, but that was too bad..

The producers did a good job here, they actually brought one of the members into a relationship, even though it didn't last that long, it was still good. I hope that we will be able to see more of that in the future! But how could an Ancient make another Ancient make their punishment forever? That's just sad..

Chaya was so calm, was she looked nice at the end of the episode where Sheppard goes back and checks up on her. I was hoping that they would kiss one last time. But I was glad to hear that Sheppard will come back and check up on her, how sweet.

Posted by: SG-1-A Nov 30th 2004, 8:22 PM

He finaly gets a babe halaula!

Posted by: anja Dec 1st 2004, 12:17 AM

Why do they have to be so obvious with the cut in the beginning? I knew she was an ancient because of the ?previously on Stargate Atlantis cuts?
A long cut about the ancients and their study into ascension. And what that means-living as pure energy... bla bla bla. Why show it if it isn?t going to be important.

Anyway, the episode where Sam and that ancient has that relationship was better. He as she falls for a human. But he became human again and built that stargate by using her creditcard (funny and better episode). Not a bad episode But nothing really happened.

Posted by: Christy Dec 1st 2004, 4:08 AM

anja - what episode was that where he used sam's credit card?
I don't really watch SG-1 anymore.

I thought that this was a good episode...maybe it went slow...i mean it took over 20 minutes til they were like...she has the gene.
and she seemed so interested in Earth's religions

Posted by: Enochian Dec 1st 2004, 5:50 AM

Interesting episode.. I am beginning to like atlantis more and more, since the writing isnt as trite as on other sci-fi shows..
We finally get to see an ancient in the flesh.. I hope they go into how the ancients managed to leave their bodies behind and 'ascend'. Although a couple of things bother me.. Does this mean that the ancients are now Gods? And if they are supposed to be wise, why would they punish Chaya for trying to help their own people?! If Chaya has the power to 'lash' out and destroy the wraith vessels, why didnt the other ancients pool their power and try to destroy the wraith altogether? Maybe I am getting a bit ahead of myself and these things will be addressed in future episodes...
Btw, I missed the first couple of episodes so I would really appreciate it if someone made it clear to me why Shepard refers to their trip to atlantis as one way and why they cant go back to earth?

Cheers.

Posted by: dr_n_tesla Dec 1st 2004, 6:50 AM

It was a pretty good ep all up, but I think they got a bit cheap on the SFX. The Ascended beings in SG-1 looked better, they had cool white whispy tails trailing a glowing ball/mass. Even when Orlan shared Sam he had his tails wrap around her, Athar didn't seem to look as beautiful as her Corporeal form, Chaya. I think they would've had the right to copy their look from SG-1 for the same reasons as ZPMs being in Atlantis, the continuity would've been better. (Or maybe it's just the quality of the 80MB rip I watched hehe, can't wait to see it on digital over summer in Oz TV)

So what did I tell you guys? I guessed the spoiler correctly when I said McKay would break out the scanners to try and detect energy readings and conclude that she was an Ascended Ancient! hehe

Shame that it will be a long while before we see another Ascended being in Atlantis.

Posted by: Christy Dec 1st 2004, 8:27 AM

i don't think foxtel digital will have Stargtae Atlantis in the next few months..

anyhow, just watched the ep with my sister...wow, how was Mckay? I'm really starting to like him, he is so cool..getting the scanners out and all that.
And what was with Becket saying there's no STD's present...did we even need to know about someone elses sex life? not that they discussed it or anything...but still...i didnt even think he checked her genital area but still..we didnt need to know.

Posted by: Evo Dec 1st 2004, 11:09 AM

Posted by: Pitry Dec 1st 2004, 12:17 PM

T'was a decent episode....

In addition to the confusions already mentioned, I had one thing bugging me - when Orlin or Daniel were ascended, they were all energy. Orlin went through Sam's kitchen and Daniel had a shoe thrown through him... How could they touch Chaya? She was still ascended, still energy.

Oh, and I have to say McKay voiced at one point my opinion exactly: "Captain Kirk, this is so 1967"!

Posted by: Raxor Dec 1st 2004, 1:32 PM

great episode, one of the best imo

Posted by: Stargate SG-1 Bott Dec 1st 2004, 7:24 PM

I liked this episode alot, one of the best so far, Ive really liked Atlantis the last like 10 episodes, love the feel of it.

Im just a bit confused and annoyed with the outcome.

If she had the power to do all that, and there were thousands of ancients in that galaxy before, then why not just destroy the wraith.

I read earlier that perhaps she was sent back there after the defeat, but surly if the ancients at this time was able to ascend and be that powerful they could reclaim the pegasus galaxy and destroy the race once and for all.

What annoys me is that id have so many many questions to ask her, and she cant answer because of the others?.

Does that mean you couldnt even ask simple questions like how many ancients there are in the pegasus galaxy?

When she says the others will come, does that mean that they are in the pegasus galaxy aswell or they can go to any galaxy they wont as fast as possible?

I think i might be confused with the actualy storyline.

Acients come to pegasus
Ancients return to earth after losing battle with the wraith
Ancients start to die from disease
Ancients learn to ascend before they all die out

Is that correct?

Chris - Thanks for reading

Posted by: Drizzt's Syn Dec 1st 2004, 8:47 PM

Sheesh people, use your imaginations.

We don't have the slightest idea what ascension is like. We have no clue as to what the "material plane"'s meaning is from their point of view.

I could imagine dozens of reasons and scenarios why they wouldn't want to interfere with "our" issues. The Wraith could quite possibly be insignificant compared to what the consequences would be, in the grand scheme of things, to simply "kill all the bad guys".

Fair episode, although they could've done more with the story.

Posted by: anja Dec 2nd 2004, 10:02 AM

Posted by: dr_n_tesla Dec 2nd 2004, 10:04 AM

Posted by: Nnahrino Dec 2nd 2004, 5:05 PM

Firstly i agree with anja about the cuts at the start, from the moment i saw the "weapon" at the start that took out the Wraith and not the Ancient ship i knew it was an ascended Ancient.

I did really like this episode, but i was wondering why did she say "I am what you call an Ancient", so what do they call themselves?

I'm sure we got their name from the Asgard, so they didnt refer to them as the proper name?

Anyway, my theory on the whole Ascension this is that the plague was before they went to pegasus.

Some Ascended(now known as Others), some attempted to build time maching & repositorys etc, and the remaining healthy Ancients went to Pegasus to start fresh (this is why they were few in numbers and defeated by the Wraith).

Here, when they were at war with and losing to the Wraith, they thought they'd try and Ascend as the "others" have back in ther Milky Way galaxy.

I say this because if the first Ancient to ascend was in pegasus or 1 of those from pegasus im sure they would of just killed the Wraith, otherwise they'd have to make the decision themselves not to get involved even though they would be ascended alone watching there family, friends and humans they live with die when they had the power to stop it.

therefore i feel they must have been forced by the others to not get involved.

Posted by: nitesoul Dec 2nd 2004, 5:44 PM

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Posted by: Mental Case Dec 2nd 2004, 9:31 PM

I think this was a really good episode.

Only nitpick is the peviously thing making it a bit obvious to work out.

Posted by: Chrominium Dec 3rd 2004, 1:02 PM

I assume some of you haven't really watch SG1, or the later seasons cause there are quite a lot of questions that has been answered. The problem here is separating the two series - since SGA is about Atlantis, it's going to be really about The Ancients. I assume SG1 will now only focus on the Gaould, and probably some final side line stories about Danial/Oma.

Background Info

The Ancients are in theory human - she said so herself, that we are no that much different - infact the doctor said she IS human. The problem lies in that she was in perfect health. This is due to the fact she is ascended and really has no corporeal form. Not everyone can ascend but can be shown the way. You can only ascend on death of course, and usually with the help of another ascended.

The rules to being an ascended, and living on a another plane of existance is that you cannot interfere with corporeal matters. I assume it is because of the great power they wield that they cannot alter the natural course of the universe - or from some other higher being than themselves. In one episode, it mentioned that Oma Desala is also an exiled - I think Orlin said it. She helps others to ascend - although that I don't think is a crime. She did however, protected the Harsises from the Gao'uld.

The Ancient caught a disease in our solar system. We know this because SG1 caught the disease from the frozen Ancient (one who stayed behind in the very first episode). The healthy ones left to Pegasus. They must have started a great civilisation (because humans are scattered around like our solar system) before the Wraith started attacking hence getting a taste for humans. Some Ancients ascended in Pegasus, and some in our solar system.

Orlin needed the help of the others because they must allow him to ascend again. Orlin chose to descend, and interfer with the natural order of things. This isn't really allowed, and you needed to die before you can ascend on your own.

Most of the answers are in SG1 though, so it might be worth watching some of the Ancient related episode and the finale of Season 6 (Full Circle?).

Nitpicking

As someone has mentioned, she was actually fully corporeal. The writers changed the rules here yet again. Before all this, Oma and Orlin cannot communicate in their ascended form. Daniel changed all that when he ascended, and he spoke to Jack many times in a ghostly form (no white lights but untouchable, or unseen by some).

This episode changed that rule once again by allowing the acient to actually be more or less human whenever they want.

The name thing was wierd too. Maybe the Ancients is an english term? The name was actually translated by Daniel in Season 1 of SG1, and confirmed by the Asgard.

The Episode

This episode is definitely one of SGA better episodes, and for anyone watching SG1 will have already guessed the identity of the white light at the beginning and Chaya herself.

This is the third original ascended we have seen, and the fourth Ancient we have met in the entire SG1/SGA canon.

McKay, generally funny, but he really gets on my nerve. He just makes every situation worse. If Wier chose the team, she really made a very bad decision on letting McKay out. Wier has absolutley no control over Sheppard (again!). Basically this team has more conflicts that the usual soap opera. This will soon escalate with each episode as it has already started in 'Hot Zone'.
Sheppard although very unprofessional, is actually very in character so this episode made a lot of sense including McKays character.

I am glad the writers didn't weaken the Ancients in anyway, they should be kept almost at a distance. The only problem I see is that they now know where there is an Ascended Ancient. Lots of possibility and yet more conflict can arise.

Posted by: Nnahrino Dec 3rd 2004, 4:12 PM

Posted by: Krystian SG1 Dec 3rd 2004, 11:08 PM

Theres one thing i dont like about this episode. The Ancients were at war with the Wraith. Now they are acended and they could wipe out fleets of Wraith ships by using their minds. Why didn't they just destroy the Wraith and let their people live in peace.

Posted by: Seshat Dec 4th 2004, 3:15 PM

Yay sheppard got a girl.....but won't this be like the sam/pete/jack thing but sheppard/teyla/n tht ancient person


*sigh* if only love was simple in movies/seris


Emma x x

Posted by: Pitry Dec 4th 2004, 5:45 PM

Posted by: Christy Dec 5th 2004, 12:02 AM

The anicents, i a nutshell had a prime directive - do not give help to those that do not have the ability to help themselves, do not change things which affect the future of the universe - basically it's: Mind Your Own Business, Do Not Get Involved In Other Species Wars.

The Ancients decided that they would not do anything major, they hardly made themselves known to others. Chaya/Athor broke the rules by helping others.
They had the power to destroy the wraith but chose not to because one of their decisions were that they would not use their powers in such a form.

and i'm not making any sense so you'll probably not understand anything which i just said.

Posted by: dr_n_tesla Dec 5th 2004, 1:02 AM

We know that the Ancients can create the illusion of anything they want like what Oma did at Abydos. Athar thus has the ability to make it seem like her planet is densely populated like Earth. If Major Sheppard can leak out false information about a massive 5 billion people population on her planet to the Wraith simultaneously broadcasting to the hives, I'm sure they'd all rush for a feed. Then Athar can "protect her people" thus crippling the Wraith at the same time. They only need to do this discretely so The Others do not find out about their scheme until it's too late and the Wraith come to her planet. Athar would need to create the illusion of dense population so that any recon will see it and confirm the great find. What do you guys think?

Posted by: Christy Dec 5th 2004, 1:13 AM

but that would mean someone would have to face the wraith in order to get the information across.

i wonder if they will keep in contact with that planet?

Posted by: dr_n_tesla Dec 5th 2004, 1:30 AM

Remember that they're yet to fully explore the downed Wraith ship a few eps back, The Defiant One. I'm sure that they'd be able to hook up some power to it and find out how to get into the Wraith communications network. From there they may be able to broadcast the information. If not then they can work on finding out how to broadcast to a Wraith Hive using what they find on that ship, bring it back to Atlantis and once they have it working to dial a Stargate near a Wraith Hive and broadcast through it.

Posted by: noradd Dec 5th 2004, 8:59 AM

Posted by: Christy Dec 5th 2004, 9:38 AM

Weir and Teyla are not possible ancients...they don't even have the ATA gene.
Dr. Becket and Major Sheppard have the ATA gene and so they may be one of the descendants of the ancients.

Posted by: Nnahrino Dec 5th 2004, 1:31 PM

Posted by: Chrominium Dec 6th 2004, 7:07 AM

I apologise for the late reply:

Posted by: Mental Case Dec 6th 2004, 8:28 PM

Well not all humans would be descendend from ancients.. perhaps from a more primative form of their evolution creating a very similar path but not a direct descendancy.

Posted by: Chrominium Dec 7th 2004, 8:07 AM

Posted by: nitesoul Dec 7th 2004, 3:26 PM

Posted by: Chrominium Dec 7th 2004, 4:48 PM

Posted by: Mental Case Dec 7th 2004, 8:13 PM

If it happened once there is a minute chance it could happen again. All that might have happened is that tiny chance has played out in this story. Also if its just 10,000 years the ancients could have passed on that gene to humans themselves for all we know.

From what I hear animals supposidly share some genes with humans.. so why not the same here?

Posted by: adama Dec 8th 2004, 5:35 AM

Posted by: Cuokuo Dec 9th 2004, 9:02 AM

This whole ascension concept i think is rather flawed....
I presume that everyone (the ancients) didnt suddenly learn how to ascend...so obviously 1 or 2 ancients would have figured out how to ascend. Then once they have ascended, they would show others how to do so and eventually u get alot of people ascending and then they form their laws about not interfering with the mortals (us)... The flaw comes in the part before they formed the laws of not meddling in the affairs of the physical. ONce the first guy ascends and realises the power he possessed....once of his top priorities i would imagine would be to stop and plague and put the wraith on the endangered species list.

Posted by: Chrominium Dec 9th 2004, 12:19 PM

Posted by: Pitry Dec 9th 2004, 3:58 PM

Posted by: Eleh Dec 13th 2004, 8:42 AM

I never liked this ascension idea. It makes the show somehow religious... Powerful spirit-like angelic beings floating around...
It is easy to think that there could be parasitic aliens which can wrap around someone's brainstem, but then these some ideas like Oma Desala and "the others" and her little monk friend and all the "If you know the candlelight is fire, the meal was cooked a long time ago." and blablabla and the glowing clouds...geez. This atlantis episode felt more like an episode from "Touched by an angel"...

Posted by: SentinelBorg Dec 27th 2004, 2:06 PM

Posted by: ftt Jan 5th 2005, 1:41 PM

there was no wonder why the wraith didn't touch their planet when she was around

Posted by: BrandonTheGreat Jan 13th 2005, 9:55 PM

Ascension, seeing that Wraith ship go down was so great, if only everyone in Pegasus was protected this way. Gotta like McKay's Star Trek references in this. Other than that, this was a pretty well done episode.

Posted by: Desideratum Jan 16th 2005, 3:52 PM

So Chaya knows she is and ancient, and knows that she is protecting her people. What is the point in having them devote themselves to her worship? Why not just allow them to live an areligious life of leisure?

Posted by: Dafmeister Jan 18th 2005, 5:07 PM

Not a bad episode. It was obvious that she was an Ancient from the beginning. There wasnt much else that caught my eye in this ep. Not a brilliant ep, but not a bad one either.

Posted by: ali Jan 18th 2005, 5:16 PM

I quite liked this episode, though I didn't think it would start to move so fast at the end. I guessed she was probably an Ancient or something else pretty soon so I had fun shouting at Sheppard...
What I don't understand is if she is bound by the rules of the other Ancients, that gives me the impression that they are still around, and if they were, why wouldn't they be in Atlantis? And had she been in Atlantis previously and just wanted to see it again, or had she never been there? Gah...

I liked the fact that Rodney was so openly suspicious of her- it's always good to have a bit of an argument between characters. It reminded me a bit of 'Hathor' the way she seemed to have all the men so infatuated with her, and for a minute I thought it was going to turn into an ep like that.

But yeah...pretty good ep overall. Next week's certainly sounds interesting...

Posted by: fan_83 Jan 18th 2005, 5:36 PM

i think chaya has been there before.... she was part of the orignal ancients....

about them destroying the wraiths...

perhaps the first ascended let the plaque and wraiths do their job to allow for most of the ancients to ascend otherwise there is no point in dying even though you are given all these cool powers.....

Desideratum: they think she is just a high priestess... not the god ... as you recall from various episodes...in sg1 primitive peeps need a religion... so she provided one where she plays the role of high priestess....

Posted by: stargatesweetie Jan 19th 2005, 3:02 PM

I enjoyed this episode though I was surprised how powerful she was at the end- yes she was ascended but blimey. I was also surprised that Sheppard was unaware of her inability to interfere- did he not know about Daniel and his inability to help Jack et al when he was ascended?
That said another good episode

Posted by: Christy Jan 19th 2005, 7:45 PM

I don't think Sheppard knew much of the situation going on at Cheyenne Mountain.
So he wouldn't really know much about Daniel.

Posted by: KoKi Jan 31st 2005, 1:57 PM

why the the ancients not wipe the most wraith with those power???

Posted by: Asguard's little grey man Jan 31st 2005, 3:42 PM

why the the ancients not wipe the most wraith with those power???

Posted by: Dafmeister Feb 1st 2005, 6:08 AM

why the the ancients not wipe the most wraith with those power???

Posted by: RJLCyberPunk Feb 11th 2005, 10:29 PM

I have to say this was an average episode. But overall it had pretty good points.
The Ancients angle was pretty interesting.
a 6/10!

Posted by: Sighfienerd Feb 12th 2005, 1:07 PM

I find the ancients' code of ethics interesting. Their highest law is "to not interfere", which is understandable when it comes to the process of ascension. However, their non-interference wouldn't be considered "moral" in this situation, at least according to our beliefs.

The Wraiths are technologically advanced. Chayla's people are by comparison, primitive. They are totally pre-industrial, agrarian, and peaceful. They didn't have a chance in you know what against the Wraith. Yet, the ancients were perfectly willing to stand by and watch a whole race of "innocents" get destroyed.

Chayla was punished for eternity for having the "human" trait of compassion. (She seemed to demonstrate human traits in more ways than one. )

In some ways, the ancients kind of remind me a little of the Nox who were also reluctant to make judgments about good and evil. However, the Nox did interfere by healing anyone who got hurt - unlike the ancients who would leave all to die. I don't think I like the ancients very much.

Posted by: danielonmymind Feb 12th 2005, 1:28 PM

I find the ancients' code of ethics interesting.  Their highest law is "to not interfere", which is understandable when it comes to the process of ascension.  However, their non-interference wouldn't be considered "moral" in this situation, at least according to our beliefs. 

The Wraiths are technologically advanced.  Chayla's people are by comparison, primitive.  They are totally pre-industrial, agrarian, and peaceful.  They didn't have a chance in you know what against the Wraith.  Yet, the ancients were perfectly willing to stand by and watch a whole race of "innocents" get destroyed.

Chayla was punished for eternity for having the "human" trait of compassion.  (She seemed to demonstrate human traits in more ways than one.  )

In some ways, the ancients kind of remind me a little of the Nox who were also reluctant to make judgments about good and evil.  However, the Nox did interfere by healing anyone who got hurt - unlike the ancients who would leave all to die.  I don't think I like the ancients very much.

Posted by: Aquila Feb 12th 2005, 4:56 PM

All in all, I'd have to say this is my favorite episode of SG-A thus far...in fact, I liked it better than many of the past few episodes in both SG-A and SG-1!

Maybe it was the whole ancient-come-back-to-Atlantis-and-very-fond-of-a-very-young-in-comparison-Sheppard.....thing.

I especially liked the fact where she put her hand on that one console and got it to work for the guy...pretty cool...and will definately be useful later on I suppose. I do especially hope that we see Sheppard return to Chaya later on in the second season...it's kind of cool seeing him in a relationship with an Ancient, and an Ascended one at that!

Posted by: ancient01 Feb 14th 2005, 5:17 AM

This one was better than SG1 this week, but I was still disapointed. I'm curious to see if they released any new information that will further the story. It really didn't seem like it, with the possible exception of the device that she activated. Thing is though, anyone with the gene cold have done that. As a plot device, this episode only seemed to show an emotional side to Sheppard. I could have done without that...

Posted by: Christy Apr 4th 2005, 12:20 AM

putting in a romance for sheppard with someone from a different world and with his sex appeal and the way the writers are also putting him together with Teyla and in a couple of scenes we have had a feeling of Weir and Sheppard may do something in the future and with this all happening so quickly within the first season makes me think of O'neil and this definetly does not put males in a good light.

Posted by: Ilzy May 22nd 2005, 4:30 AM

This was the frst of Atlantis episodes I've seen in full. Thank god there wasn't much technical stuff because I watched it in German and my german isn't good enough for techno-babble

Gotta say that I really liked it and maybe I'll even start to watch Atlantis after this. The whole Ancient thing was quite a surprise (a good one) and made things really interesting. Chaya reminded me of Orlin, especially when she gave Sheppard the ancient-to-human "kiss", sharing their essence or what is was. Kinda fun to watch the scene and to know what's gonna happen next!

Posted by: NemesisDesignz May 22nd 2005, 5:29 AM

Chaya/Ashtar is F****ing HOTTT Shepard dont worry about Tayla or Weir getting jealous.. GETCHA SOME.. I think Chaya/Ashtar is the hottest girl ever on stargate of any season or series..

McKay: "Oh My God...He is Kirk." Hell Ya

Posted by: Christy Jun 1st 2005, 6:13 AM

woah...someone's getting excited.
Why are men so fascinated by women who are really attractive?
Women are women, they are all the same.
speaking of which...when can we see some plain janes on stargate?

Posted by: General Jen Jun 22nd 2005, 7:11 PM

this ep was ok but i missed the action that the earler eps had and i want a bit more humor

the ancient should have told them who she was and did sheperd ever tell her that he had ancient genes?

ford seems to have no use on the show
wier is getting better iam understanding her role more

Posted by: supra odin Aug 21st 2005, 4:03 PM

Have also loved this episode but was wondering that if the Ancient were so powerful in the past and even more powerful now that they have ascended, and as we have seen "the others', and "OMA" in action y do they not help eliminating the Wraith, i know there policy of not intervening in fight between minor and inferior races, but they were enemies in the past, and the Wraith has also beaten them up so y not take revenge?

Posted by: Dafmeister Aug 26th 2005, 4:18 AM

Have also loved this episode but was wondering that if the Ancient were so powerful in the past and even more powerful now that they have ascended, and as we have seen "the others', and "OMA" in action y do they not help eliminating the Wraith, i know there policy of not intervening in fight between minor and inferior races, but they were enemies in the past, and the Wraith has also beaten them up so y not take revenge? 

Posted by: blackbelt83 Feb 1st 2006, 2:31 AM

why would the otheres let her effect anything on a lower plan but I have also wondering why they wouldent step in and just take care of the wraith you would think they would want to atleast protect atlantis. only shepard could get with a hot asended chick, that is awesome.

Posted by: Dafmeister Feb 1st 2006, 7:31 AM

QUOTE(blackbelt83 @ Feb 1st 2006, 7:31 AM)

Posted by: kordone Jun 7th 2006, 4:01 AM

You even feel sorry for her a little bit... "the unending protection of the world" its a harsh punishment

Posted by: Ryu Aug 25th 2006, 10:01 AM

Have to admit.. She is the hottest Acient ever. Or person on this show. Nuff said.