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Posted by: Arcady Sep 16th 2006, 1:15 PM

Season 3, Episode 10 - The Return (Part One)
Air date: September 22, 2006

The Ancients, long thought to be extinct, return to Atlantis and reclaim it for themselves.

http://www.sg1archive.com/atlantis/s3.shtml#310 | http://www.sg1archive.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=14557 | http://www.sg1archive.com/teasers/a310.html

(This topic is for people who have seen the episode to discuss it. If you don't want to be spoiled, don't read this topic.)

Posted by: JTMAG1 Sep 22nd 2006, 10:01 PM

Jack: General, I am quite fond of maidens and voyages... put the two together and...

Would something need to travel at .999 the speed of light to keep it's mass from becoming infinite?

That lady didn't seem very Ancienty to me. she wasn't passive at all, she came in and kicked us out of Atlantis. We shoulda taken them to Earth first. But then maybe they would try to kick us off the planet...

This ep was very slow to me, I couldn't wait for it to pick up. It just seemed to drone on and on for the first 30 minutes.

So Dr. Weir went into a depression, that sucks. I like that Carson went to talk some sense into her. He is turning into the heart and soul of the group.

I was expecting this episode to be better than it was. I guess I was expecting more action.

And Siler takes a Zat shot. That sucks.

I bet the Deadalus gets them out of whatever trouble they get themselves into, and they get to keep the Asuran's ZPMs

AAAAAAHHHHHHHh I hate waiting for the second ep of mid season two parter. I don't know if BSG can keep me entertained enough...

Posted by: Protoziggy90 Sep 22nd 2006, 10:02 PM

Wow, who would have thought... At first I figured the Ancients they came across were the replicators, but then that they were really Ancients and then the replicators came... This wasn't as good as SG-1 by far, but thats really just because of the magnitude and amazingness of SG-1 tonight; Atlantis was still pretty good. I liked the ending I suppose, but in March when I see the next episode I probably won't think so anymore...

Posted by: lingling Sep 22nd 2006, 10:04 PM

Well, that was an interesting episode. I didnt really think that thoughs were 'real' ancients. To bad the city is taken over by the ancient replicators. I kind of think that the Ancients that controled the city would raise the shield when the huge ship was over the planet, but I guess after a few million years in a .999 the speed of light ship will make you stupid. All in all a cool episode.

Posted by: rica0011 Sep 22nd 2006, 10:10 PM

This episode did drag a bit but it wasn't that bad. I mean it did get sorta exciting when you saw the ancients have to activate the sheild, I mean thats what they get for being not cautious enough. The ending was a killer, I can't believe I have to wait til march ... such a shame ... oh well .. i'm sure it will be worth the wait.

Posted by: Protoziggy90 Sep 22nd 2006, 10:11 PM

Why would they raise the shield? As far as they knew the replicators were incapable of harming them. That wasn't their fault. And when the realized what happened with the jumper, the woman said to raise the shields. Obviously they still lost.

Posted by: JTMAG1 Sep 22nd 2006, 10:18 PM

Why did they wait for the ship to get that close before trying to communicate? Why wasn't someone manning the drone chair to take out that ship?

Posted by: brittney Sep 22nd 2006, 10:26 PM

I liked the episode. I also thought the ancients were replicators at first. Can't wait for part 2 - March, ugh!

Carson's poor turtles!

Wasn't that head ancient, Helia, that actress who played the young version of Linea on SG-1 where all the people on the planet grew young and lost their memories? The older version of her was in a previous episode of SG-1, in the prison where they escaped using the "superpowered moss plants" and manually dialing the gate.

Posted by: Janos Sep 22nd 2006, 10:40 PM

Whoever made the trailer for this episode needs to be shot. How many commercials for Atlantis have we seen over the past week? And each one ends with O'Neill yelling "We're under attack by Replicators!" Why don't you just spoil the whole damned episode?

Anyways... I liked this one a lot more than SG-1. The cliffhanger ending was WAAAAAY better. Although, it did seem slightly reminisicent of something I've seen before..... Perhaps it was a previous Stargate episode... hmmmmmmmm... I'll have to think about it...

I wish they didn't say there were going to be Replicators in the preview, I thought the whole time they were on Earth, they were under another Replicator's-Hand-In-Your-Head-Hallucination again. That was kind of annoying to have that looping in the back of my mind the whole time.

Did Weir seem kinda like a pussy to anyone else? I mean, she recently experienced the exact same thing in a Replicator delusion and I thought she handled it pretty well. She didn't just give up, and everything around her was just completely insane. However, when everything is Normal and she does it again, she nearly has a complete mental breakdown? What's up with that?

I think the ending is what really did it for me. I was jumping out of my seat to see what happened next!

I think we're going to have a Voyager complex though. We've got a bunch of Ancients who can build ZPM's and show us all this cool stuff. How much do you want to bet that something's going to happen in the next episode that's going to kill, incapacitate, or ascend them so that all of their knowledge and help is going to be completely usless to us? Any takers on that bet?

I bet we'll get a ZPM or some other thing out of the deal, maybe that ship... but that's it, they're going to fade away and we'll completely forget about them

Posted by: Protoziggy90 Sep 22nd 2006, 10:43 PM

Anyone besides me find humor in the Genii trying to recruit Tayla and Ronin?

Posted by: Reignfire Sep 22nd 2006, 10:56 PM

When I saw this, all I could do was laugh because it made me think of his "Why me?" from SG-1's 200th.

Posted by: Protoziggy90 Sep 22nd 2006, 11:00 PM

I'm glad that they finally got the gate bridge up, that looked pretty cool. They should make the bridge in the middle shielded or something so that it could have life-support and you could just walk across instead of needing a ship.

Posted by: brittney Sep 22nd 2006, 11:07 PM

McKay said the midway station wasn't completed, so they were going to use a jumper for the initial test. I took that to mean that it would be able to have life-support when finished.

Posted by: JTMAG1 Sep 22nd 2006, 11:08 PM

It just occurred to me that now we have another Ancient ship. I wonder if we are going to try to fix it up. I thought there were a couple hundred people on board, since the Ancients didn't want us in Atlantis, did some of them stay with the ship... in which case we still have some Ancients alive on the ship?

EDITYeah, there is going to be life support, it's a space station, but it isn't finished yet. That's why they used the jumper. It was a cool way to get the jumper to earth thought.

BTW, why did the Ancient's let us keep a jumper...? Maybe we didn't tell them it was on Deadalus...

Posted by: Protoziggy90 Sep 22nd 2006, 11:12 PM

I'm going to bet that the ship was destroyed.

Posted by: Reignfire Sep 22nd 2006, 11:46 PM

Something I didn't notice on my first viewing, Woolsey was actually using a gun!?!

Posted by: JTMAG1 Sep 23rd 2006, 12:41 AM

Yeah, he was firing a rather puny gun.

How long did it take the Asurans to get through the sheild? Did the Ancients not have time to grab any of the weapons that will kill them?

Within minutes of them being there, they were already accessing systems that we didn't know were there. Why didn't they make their way to the weapons.

Posted by: Atlantians Sep 23rd 2006, 1:38 AM

They were not expecting to need them, and who is to say they were not fighting?

I liked the episode for the episodes sake, but I hated and abhored the fact that the Ancients were slaughtered, it just isn't right.

TPTB spent years showing us how great the Ancients were, every meating was like insanely cool and important... then we meat them on the Aurora, 500 die.
Then we meat the ones on the Tria, 100+ die.

Seriously, they shouldn't be getting killed off like this.

Posted by: droid327 Sep 23rd 2006, 2:05 AM

I agree....because of that teaser, the whole time I kept thinking that the Ancients from the Tria were more ReplicAncients. I mean, what are the odds that the Gatebridge would be being tested JUST at the right time in the 2 million year journey of the Ancients so that they'd be within sensor range while they were testing it? Why would the Lanteans be trying to reach the Milky Way, knowing several million years would have passed there before they reached it, and if the Ancients were even still around, they'd be like cavemen compared to them? Isnt it more plausible that the Tria Ancients were really Replicators trying to trick us into giving them back Atlantis?

Why didnt Rodney want to test the Ancients to make sure they were the real deal before they handed Atlantis back over to them? If he had gone to Weir and said we should make sure we're not being put on before we just give them Atlantis, she would have gone with it, had one of them submit to Carson for testing or something. After all, we wouldnt be very good caretakers of Atlantis if we just handed it back over to the first people claiming to be Lantean, and if they were the real deal they should appreciate that

They need to make sure the teasers for the rest of this season's SGs are less give-it-away...or at least, dont give away such major plot points as twist enemies and endings and such, or it will just spoil the whole rest of the episode while we're waiting for it to come.

How come we were pulling out of Pegasus altogether? The Athosians were being given a new planet with a stargate, we still have the Daedalus and Rodney could apparently rewire the Gatebridge to any gate in Pegasus we needed, why not set up a beta site on New New (New?) Athos and continue operations in Pegasus ourselves, collect up some more Ancient tech, etc etc? They seemed to be pretty satisfied to rely on diplomacy and good-natured sharing with the Ancients who just summarily evicted them.

Plus, what happens to the team if they do reclaim Atlantis? They're still going rogue, or at least Sheppard is. Will all just be forgiven because they were right? Will the Lanteans (assuming they dont all get conveniently killed off by the vengeful Replicators) just be like "uhh ok, i guess you can stay after all"? Something has to happen to them, we cant just have a bunch of ZPM- and drone-building, massive-technology wielding roommates and still get a few more years' worth of episodes out of the Wraith storyline.

Posted by: usmctech99 Sep 23rd 2006, 2:23 AM

That's exactly what I thought! I had to look it up but according to tv.com it is the same actress, Megan Leitch.



It reminded me of Season 1, Within The Serpent's Grasp (121), when SG-1 is taking off against orders to try to stop Apophis' attack on Earth... maybe that's what you were thinking of?

Posted by: Lagger Sep 23rd 2006, 2:27 AM

did they also have ZPM's.. else how did they dial earth ROFL!!

now we can all see why the atlantians lost the war to the wraith LOlz..

"they cant hurt us, so we dont even have to worry about shields"... wraith destroys 60 of their battlecruisers "whoops, too late, now were stuffed"

sorta serves em right for being so stuck up.... hopefully they all die, most likely they will.. painfully, and slowly being tortured by the replicators... maybe thats when they will ascend..

Posted by: Ripperi Sep 23rd 2006, 5:26 AM

I really hated this episode. The start was waaaay too quick. Lantians just came in and took everything. And i thought in previous episode that is there anything more they can lose so stupidly. Apparently there was: Atlantis itself. Weir and others didn?t even bothered to question Lantians that were they really qenuine Lantians. That seemed so stupid. Most of the episode was misspent for those dialogs where they packed their stuff. The end didn?t created any thoughts that "i want to see solution". Only thoughts were what will happen to Becketts turtles. Really bad episode overall. I?m now seriously thinking to stop watching Atlantis.

Posted by: deadulus101 Sep 23rd 2006, 9:05 AM

I thought it was a good episode and yes i have to admit I too thought that the ancients were replicators and when they turned out not to be I was o crap now were really screwed but all in all good ep. Things I like were the gatebridge way cool and the new replicator pistol things seemed pretty cool but why not use the gun that we had originally that killed the replicators. They only used that gun twice. one in stargate 200 and another when they first made it. Now they wasted money on this new prop when they could have just reused the old one. All the ancients will probably get killed there too much of an advantage and something will probably go wrong

And the aroura class ship. We probably won't get that either. we will probably just keep the zpm thats already there and boom end of episodel.

Posted by: That Chevron Guy Sep 23rd 2006, 9:39 AM

Yeah, I'll take you up on that. I thought that myself. At first I thought the 'Lantians' were replicators on their way to Earth, but once I figured they were Ancients I figured they'd all be klilled off. I hope too that we get to keep the ZPM's and the Ancient war ship. How killer would that be to have THREE fully charged ZPM's?


@Daedalus101: The Apollo will first be seen in the season finale titled "First Strike"

Posted by: Janos Sep 23rd 2006, 9:49 AM

Yes... I was trying to be dryly sarcastic because it's a total rip off of that episode. It just happened 10 years later. I guess I was a little too dry!

Posted by: Sylver Sep 23rd 2006, 10:02 AM

This wasn?t the best episode they could have had for the season finale, there seemed to be more of an ?ending? feel to it than a tense cliffhanger. I liked it, but didn?t really get the sense it was going anywhere.

We were introduced to Ancients that didn?t seem all that Ancient-y ? or what I thought a non-assenced Ancient would be. Clearly I was wrong and need to revise my opinion. Anyway, they were abrupt, rude, and strangely non-questioning. Did they think that the city would tell them what had been happening in TWO galaxies for the past 10,000 years? Did they even realize so much time had passed? (I missed some of McKay?s lecture on the hows and whys.)

Okay, yes, there was that whole superiority thing, but they couldn?t even fix their own hyperdrive! What does that tell about their superiority? FINALLY we meet more than the arbitrary Ancient and it?s rushed. What about the other 100 or so of them? I think the entire galaxy is disappointed with these so-called ancestors and their complete and total lack of pretty much anything ? sympathy for those they left behind (that they themselves ran from) to face the Wraith they created; taking over the city from those who actually were trying to help; and apparently (unless I missed it) not promising to fight the Wraith.

Random, that?s the best I can describe this episode. At least there was a ZPM.

Plus, Teyla and Ronan? Can they have more than 3 sentences before everyone else shows up? Though I did love how the Genii were recruiting them. I tend to agree with Ronon?s assessment of not trusting them, but it was great nonetheless. But come one! What?s the point of either of them if they do nothing but stand in the background and have their own conversations?

I love both characters, and really wouldn?t mind hearing their conversations, probably be more exciting than what we witness. Then again, I?m envisioning a running commentary on how this plan isn?t going to work, and of course something?s going to happen. Nothing?s routine in this galaxy. And why did they have to piss these people off, too?

And I?m sorry, I know there are people on here that like Weir, but I truly can?t stand her. I understand the depression; it?s not that, it?s just her.

Best moment: Woolsey and O?Neill speaking with the head Ancient, Helia. Woolsey?s line about how the Ancients were the ones who created the Wraith?priceless. I?m really beginning to like him.

Posted by: graba Sep 23rd 2006, 10:08 AM

damn i hate the cliffhanging and the show were not so good at first part ... do much boring episodes in that episode no action and so on and when te actions starts then they must say to be continued ... well nex ep is in march in us maybe in uk will it start in january like they have showed it past few years then we dont have to w8 half year to c it ... damn they make cliffhagind in mid season what realy sucks and well last and first they are good for the seasons to geep ppl to watsh the series ...

Posted by: DrM007 Sep 23rd 2006, 11:28 AM

This episode was OK. There isn't much to be said after the SG-1 ep this week.

I'm starting to like atlantis for all the wrong reasons... Rodney was funny again. That seems to be the main theme lately for me. Asking John for those pizzas... just funny.

I didn't saw any trailers or spoilers for either shows this week, but I totaly knew that Jack is going to be in SGA when I saw him in the SG-1. It's the way it works lately...

Cliffhanger was appropriate. It would make no sense to kick repli-antient asses in this ep. I hope that we will get that darn ZED-PM to replace the depleted one.

But I was thinking - wouldn't it be cool (since the replicators have taken atlantis) for us to take their city, you know - the big one. That would be awesome. Oh, and later take back the Atlantis too.

Posted by: Edog Sep 23rd 2006, 12:53 PM

I enjoyed this cliffhanger.

My only nitpick: Level 75 Mage in the expansion pack of World of Warcraft? Any WoW player who's read through the expansion pack information knows that the maximum level of any characters will go only up to level 70.

Posted by: jacksworld Sep 23rd 2006, 1:22 PM

Yea, thats what i thought. I thought i was going to be replicaters posing as ancients. Not actually be real ancients. This epsisode was so boring until the last 20 mins of it. I thought it kind of sucked that the ancients asked them to leave. But what i did not understand is why they relocated the athosians to another planet. Why couldnt they just leave them there? Also seeing sheppard , rodney,becket,and wier in the sgc most of the time. It felt rather strange seeing them interecting with landry, and sheppard going off worlds and stuff while staying at the sgc...

Posted by: QtombeD Sep 23rd 2006, 1:53 PM

They raised the shield because the jumper got destroyed and they even fired upon the city knowing the ancients where in there...


This episode was a bit of a drag but overall a good episode the best of season 3 even in my opinion; hope there is loads of action in part two. About not being the ancients I never thought that because I didn't believe the replicators would use such a cheap trick they are to arrogant for it and would just show up in full force without hiding the aproach.

I wonder what the ancients gonna do (if they still are alive) would they share the city? I really hope they gonna share and join the fight against the Ori

btw how did they raise the shield anyways without a zpm? did they replace them (all 3)? Why isn't their anything on how they get made?

Posted by: tauri129 Sep 23rd 2006, 2:00 PM

i really liked this for a midseason cliffhanger. that woolsey line about the ancients creating the wraith was amazing, and so was o'neill's line about how the ancients thought woolsey was annoying. rodney wanted pizza
i also liked the goodbyes. that was so funny when ronon just picks sheppherd up in that manly hug, and it was quite cute when sheppherd and teyla touched heads weir kinda disappointed me with how she dealt with losing atlantis, although it gave carson a good opportunity to be really sweet.
the ancients are snobs, and they deserved to get attacked by those replicators.

aaack how do i wait for march?!

Posted by: JTMAG1 Sep 23rd 2006, 3:35 PM

They explained that they were aware that Pegasus had been evacuated, and I would assume that they were also aware that the wraith controlled the entire galaxy. Where else would they go?

I assumed that this was done on the Deadalus before they took them back to Atlantis.



The Ancients were going to let us come back eventually. We were going to leave a liason there, perhaps they could even help us with the Ori.


I suspect that O'neill will forgive them if they save his life, he is the commanding officer of the SGC...


Please use spoiler tags, even in this forum, anything that happens in eps that haven't aired yet are considered spoilers...



This wasn't really a "Season" finale. It is more of a mid-season break.

Posted by: lingling Sep 23rd 2006, 5:35 PM

Well I kinda think it should have been standard procedure wouldnt you? I mean if an enemy vessel was in orbit of youre last remaining city, and you had a fully functional ZedPm it wouldnt be to difficult to click a few buttons to raise the shield just in case the few million years that passed changed their codeing. Plus how were the replicators going to know that Atlantis was back under Lantian control, just take their word?

One thing I do wanna see, but doubt we will see is Atlantis actually going through space. I think it would be cool seeing Atlantis defending itself from the replicator Cities with Drones....but thats just me

Posted by: droid327 Sep 23rd 2006, 7:48 PM

Pegasus is a big galaxy...if I was the captain, I'd think we'd have a better shot trying to sneak back in to some backwater Ancient colony or outpost and try to jury-rig the hyperdrive back into working condition. Even if they were already 100,000 years out of Pegasus when it failed, its still a better option IMO than flying 2 million years into the future. Just imagine how well an Australopithecus would get along, for instance, if he were picked up 2 million years ago and dropped off in Long Beach today



Plausible, but they'd need to show, mention, or intimate it somewhere on the show itself or it doesnt count



Sure, but putting all the eggs in one basket was never the SGC modus operandi...why not leave a liaison at Atlantis AND establish a new base of operations in Pegasus? The Lanteans just said they wanted us out of their city, they didnt say the galaxy entirely. Plus, arent we responsible for the trade, humanitarian and diplomatic agreements Weir made? Or are we counting again on the good faith of the Lanteans to keep our bargains for us?



I thought he was head of Homeworld Security? (Secretary of Homeworld Security?) Landry's CO of the SGC and he told Sheppard there'd be hell to pay. Of course, O'Neill is going to pull the strings and get the air cleared for them, but its more a matter of principle that the ends always justify the means when you end up right Or even when you blow up a star system, its still cool, apparently

On a side note, they could have really used some of Lucius' Potion of Popularity when the Lanteans arrived, they might have proved much more....hospitable Imagine if they had given it to Woolsey

Posted by: Force_Hammer Sep 23rd 2006, 7:53 PM

Personally, I thought that this was a good episode. I enjoyed seeing how each character had to cope with the loss of what they considered to be their home. I can't wait for the second half of this season to start up!

Posted by: Lagger Sep 23rd 2006, 8:05 PM

perhaps without access to a viable stargate to aget em back home, access to jumpers.... and the dadealus which would take 3 weeks one way...

it probably wasnt viable...

the only reason they were in peagasus was for atlantis.. take that away and what reason is there.. spend billions of $$$ to fight an enemy which isnt a threat to earth???

bigger fish to fry in our own galaxy

lanteans take things way to easy.. adn probably the same way they treated these replicators, the same way they treated the wraith... dont bother raising the shields on our ships, the wriath dont dare to hurt us...

maybe tha lanteans didnt want us in there , cause they thought as a primitive species, we would

1) get in their way
2) slow them down by asking questions
3) take them hostage and use them in experiements

but i liked johns explanation. if u came home after 2 million years, and you found someone sitting in your couch, eating your cheetos, and watching you cable tv

Posted by: ancient01 Sep 23rd 2006, 8:25 PM

I like the bridge concept. Most of the episode was slow, but it was a great setup for the next episode. Whenever we get to see it... Whatever happens, this episode will bring some major changes to the series. I like that idea. If you keep changing things up in the storyline, it'll keep it interesting. I wonder what will happen to the Ancients? It seems like it would be too convenient to keep them around, so I wonder if they'll ascend or just plain die, or if they really are Asurans? Too many questions, too long to wait...

Posted by: UltimateW Sep 23rd 2006, 8:27 PM

I agree there are some questions thats a bit odd, why not setup another base or are they affraid of the Wraith? and also the responsiblity with trades and other agreements and people they helped and got help from... a bit odd it just ended in 48 hours.

On the up side, great story and good allies if they have not all been killed by the Acient replicators.

The hole WoW thing, I know little about the game but at least they could have done their homework ;) no Level 75 since the max limit is 60(think its 70 with the expansion ) and Bill should have been ticked on whats your Race, which was replied Mage (which is not a race, that would be Orc, Human etc ;))

On the really good upside, new ZPM, gate thingy to earth in 30 minutes, that midway station, is that going to be populated ?

Posted by: Radagast Sep 23rd 2006, 9:20 PM

I think he wasn't even listening by that point ;)

Posted by: Protoziggy90 Sep 23rd 2006, 10:35 PM

If you had read my entire post and the quote in it you would have seen that what I was saying was an answer to a question on why they didn't raise shields as soon as they detected the ship. Obviously they raised shields after the jumper was destroyed, which is exactly what I said...

Posted by: OneLoneFan Sep 23rd 2006, 10:58 PM

I truely enjoyed this episode. At first i thought that the Ancients were Asurans who were trying to reach earth so they could finish off the Ancient refugees who fled Atlantis, man am i glad to be wrong...and yea..i can see where the Ancients were coming from when they evicted the expadition from Atlantis....having gone through something like that....i'd have done the same thing. Was anyone else touched by how pleasent Ronan was when him an Tayla went to see Shepperd in his room? As a World of warcraft player...i laughed my ass off when Weir started talking to that guy about it just to distract him As for the ending....i think it was Oneill will pull some strings an get the team all presidential pardons =p

Posted by: HAI KON Sep 24th 2006, 4:37 AM

Amazing intergalactic bridge of 34 stargates P~ .

Brilliant idea from McKay and Sam.

I liked the way McKay was givng the crew a lecture about how brilliant he is .



Like most of you I thought was surprised the ancients were really ancients.

Posted by: QtombeD Sep 24th 2006, 6:12 AM

I did read your entire post but after your comment I read it again carefully and it and I realized I have misinterpertated it the first time.. soz

Posted by: Aussie_Bloke Sep 24th 2006, 6:18 AM

How about a Transcript for those of us who will not get this for some time?

I notice SG1 Transcripts is no longer a Yahoo Group...thats where I used to read all the latest transcripts....

Posted by: originIsSalvation Sep 24th 2006, 6:27 AM

Let me get this straight: John started War and Peace over 2 years ago and he's only read a quarter of it!?

Really cool to see O'Neill in Atlantis though, these cross-over episodes are awesome.

Posted by: youngjediboy Sep 24th 2006, 6:44 AM

I hope those Ancients get killed off! For being such total A-holes, they can't possibly ascend!

Posted by: Iwantseason11 Sep 24th 2006, 7:23 AM

I wish they didnt start talking about WoW. And getting it wrong btw.


I liked the episode. I hate this wait for the next one... :'(

I love the episodes where they crossover sg1 and sga. LOVE IT!

Posted by: Vae Victis Sep 24th 2006, 7:47 AM

Did they have a small budget for this one? They hardly really showed any effects, except for the midway station and some shots of the Daedalus and jumper. We didnt see; (1) the ancient ship, (2) the replicator ship, (3) the attack on atlantis. I know it's not essential to have a lot of fireworks but maybe the 2nd part has a much bigger CGI budget and we're in for a treat?

Posted by: QtombeD Sep 24th 2006, 7:52 AM

yeah indeed I was really dissapointed they didn't show the ship at all they could have even used the one they once found and just change some small details or summert cause this ship was of the same class(forgot the name).

So hopfully what they saved on the CGI budget for this episode will be added to the one for part 2

Posted by: Protoziggy90 Sep 24th 2006, 8:21 AM

Didn't he say at one point that he was reading like a page per day?

Posted by: originIsSalvation Sep 24th 2006, 12:54 PM

Yeah, but still... If he was at page 27 in "Home", and we assume that two years have passed since then, he should have read roughly 365 x 2 pages since then. So he should be at page 757 now. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's more than a quarter of the book now isn't it?

Posted by: orcot Sep 24th 2006, 3:40 PM

Personally I keep wondering why they didn't go to that ancient tower from season 2, did the ancients ban them from atlantis or from pegasus

Didn't Rodney say that he believed the ship to be ancients possible Aurora class ship so maybe it isn't a aurora ship, it would explain the lower crew numbres

Posted by: Sighfienerd Sep 24th 2006, 4:58 PM

I found the episode rushed. Their immediate evacuation of Atlantis seemed most unlikely as did the "goodbyes" between the members of the team who have been shown to be willing to die for each other. It just didn't ring true on any level. Additionally, I thought Weir's reaction was completely uncharacteristic. She's a fighter, not a whiner.

Posted by: Kassa eating asgard Sep 24th 2006, 6:22 PM

yep it seems as if all the budget has gone into the quest episode. This episode seemed strange... there seems to be a difference of character between the unascended alterans and the others. Go figure why the ori want to destroy them... i can sure understand their motives now! I can understand that they didn't wanted humans in their city at the least for a little while(considering the humans are not as advanced as them)... but they could have accepted the half(or part) alterans like sheppard, o'neill and beckett as some sort of liaison with earth. Just seems to me as if the writers introduced the ata gene just so someone could use that weapon platform.

Posted by: Elan_Morin Sep 24th 2006, 10:35 PM

Overall, I liked this ep. I really did.

The one thing about it I didn't like: I'm getting damn sick of the Replicators. In my humble opinion, they've long outlived thier coolness as a villian. Anyone else feel this way?

Oh, that and Sci-Fi still hasn't seemed to learn from their, "the bomb IS the building" mistake.

Elan

Posted by: Revan Sep 25th 2006, 12:54 AM

Superb episode. It seemed very short, and I strongly disliked the Lantian commanding officer...

Ronon lifting Shep up in the air was priceless. I liked Carson comforting Weir, who was not looking very organized.

And hey, now we know the status of Carson and Cadmin's relationship.

I don't like our rush to destroy Atlantis.

I do like those brand new guns.

Posted by: Cornwalace Sep 25th 2006, 4:39 AM

If you think about it, I was happy that things ended up the way they did... Here's why. (speculation)

Posted by: Lagger Sep 25th 2006, 7:43 AM

cornwalace thats a great idea !

and since these replicators, arent like the milky way one that use themselves to build stuff, these guys actually build stuff outta other materials, so no anti-rep thing, will destroy it

btw: if the reps used a ship to get there... wont the dadealus run into it when it comes outta hyperspace??

Posted by: Jack_O'Neill Sep 25th 2006, 9:28 AM

I noticed a few things about this episode. A big mistake and a little mistake.

First the little mistake:

Dr Weir likes WoW? What the hell is all that about? I mean, it's perfectly possible that she can like it, but when did the game even come out? 2004? Well it's 2006 now and she's been in the Pegasus galaxy for what, three years? So how the hell did Bill think that she'd even have played it? I thought he was supposed to be a genius...

And now onto the big mistake:

Replicators. They seems perfectly fine as the villain of this episode, but think about it. In episode 305, they didn't want to kill everyone, they wanted retribution against the Ancients for trying to destroy them. Which they were going to get by destroying Atlantis. So in this episode, why would they even bother to rewrite their base code to allow themselves to kill ancients? Last I checked, everybody in the galaxy (Even the universe) thought they were all dead, so what would be the point in adding that into their base code? This isn't even my main rant.

The main problem with this is, so what if they have Atlantis? First of all, they blew up the jumper, so why not just blow up Atlantis from orbit? If they just wanted retribution, they could've just hyperspaced in, blown everyone up and gone home, but no. They wait around and let Jack and Woolsey get a message off to Earth and THEN they stop them. So this makes them want to send a nuke. But why the hell would they do that anyway? If they're sending a nuke, they're going to kill Jack and Woolsey. So what difference would it make if they just ignored the situation? The Asurans don't want to blow Earth up, they have no interest in it as far as I've seen, they just want Atlantis destroyed. So why not just leave them to do their thing? The best thing would be what Sheppherd and the rest are doing. Actually trying to rescue Jack/Woolsey/Ancients, so they get their people back (Whatever happened to never leave our people behind?!) and gain another favour from the Ancients, so maybe they'll let us back into Atlantis.

Bah, a good episode, but the plot was just full of holes in my eyes.

Edit:

I knew there was another point I wanted to make and I remember just as I post. Ah well.

What's with these ARG's they've taken to defeat the Asurans? What guarantee do they have that they'll even be remotely useful? They were designed with Ancient tech, yes, but they were designed to fight an entirely different race of replicators, namely the SG-1 ones. We have no proof that they will be effective against the original Ancient created replicators.

Posted by: fan_83 Sep 25th 2006, 9:54 AM

err jackoneill...

elizabeth is not a fan of wow.. its just an excused cooked up my mckay to distract bill to allow mckay to edit the list to enable them to steal the jumper...weir obviously has no idea whats shes talking about..

the question you should ask is why shouldn;t htey rewrite their base code? i mean anyone can pretend to be ancients and buy them by making the replicators check them out.. now they can just nuke any and all opposition..without having to id them first

second if you rewatch the episode again.. the ancients knew that the replicatoras are coming and they sent the jumper out to orbit to tell them to stop.. when the replicators destroyed the jumper, the ancients rasied the shields...the replicators didn;t have the element of surprise of sneaking up on atlantis... and htey showed their aggresion when they fired on the jumper...

also the ancients don;t want nay of the present atlantis occupier to be their liasion.. they are to emotionally attached.. thats why weir wasn;t offered the job.. the urge to stick their nose into things would be overwhelming.. thats why woolsley got the job,.

ps regarding. weir. and how sad she is.. you guys have to remember that she gave up everything to go to atlantis.. her boyfriend and everything.. when shes back to earth,, her only friends are those from atlantis.. and she went from being the one incharge of this amazingly advanced tech and is involved in day to day decisions that could effect the lived of billions to nothing.. tell me you wouldn't be upset if your favourite job is taken away from you

Posted by: Jack_O'Neill Sep 25th 2006, 5:22 PM

Yes, I understand she isn't a fan of WoW, my point was that since Bill is a genius, what with the whole being a scientist in the SGC, why didn't he work out that she could never have played it enough.

Second point: Anyone can pretend to be ancients.

Yes, this is true, however if anyone ever tried it, after spending some time with the "ancients", I think it would become clear to the Asurans that they weren't. Therefore, killing them would be back on the table in no time.

Third point: Ancients knew they were aggressive.

That could have worked, if not for the fact that the shield had to go up very quickly, which would mean that the Asurans had time to shoot Atlantis at least once (which I believe they did). Even if the shield went up quick enough, the Asurans still took control of the city in the end, so why didn't they just blow it up instead of taking over? Retribution is usually about blowing things up in cases like these (or so I'd assume, this is the first case like this I've ever heard of).

The rest of your post doesn't look like it was aimed at me, since I mentioned nothing about those things. I also happen to agree with the rest, so I'll leave it at that.

Posted by: KillerMarv Sep 26th 2006, 5:48 AM

Yes, this episode was very good, but there were missing points...

1. The Ancient ship travelling at .999 the speed of light was rather blury and lacked the proximity of the speed of light.

2. The Ancients looked so un-Ancienty... They should be avery advanced race, come on... they were suppose to be using a large portion of their brain. Yet, their ways were so simple.

So looking forward to see more Jack in the second part. Jack always tended to be a great hostage in these situations, full of irony and humor...

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Sep 26th 2006, 7:34 AM

Overall, good episode. But I had some major issues with the beginning.

Ok, "Ancients" show up and want Atlantis back. So they just hand if over, no questions asked?? I seem to remember another "race" of people who looked/walked/talked like Ancients for a while. Turned out they were replicators. This didn't happen all that long before this episode, so you would think said events would still be fresh in the Atlantis expedition's minds. Question the fact that they were real ancients. I was just waiting for the "ancients" to reveal that they were replicators the second weir and the rest of the expedition left atlantis ...

Posted by: seymour Sep 26th 2006, 9:49 AM

I didn't expect the Ancients to be so - boring!
What a let down.
I was looking forward to seeing Jack in Atlantis, but no action as the replicators take over Atlantis from the Ancients so I don't anticipate we'll much of Jack's rescue from his POV.

Did SG command forget to tighten security after the Baal incident?

Not being very knowledgeable in the area, I was confused about how after all these years relativity came into the story (I assumed it had been ignored all these years since it would drag the plot down), did the writers use relativity correctly?

Posted by: KillerMarv Sep 26th 2006, 10:06 AM

SGC has some issues with security, but this is not be blamed here. The people who caused mayhem were members of the SGC and people who were on the Atlantis expedition.

Relativity was used rather well... Better than I would have expected. This was the first time a ship had such great sublight engines. But I don't think relativity is part of the story now... it was used now as a conveniant plot device. I doubt that they will use it again soon.

Posted by: WaterDweller Sep 26th 2006, 11:07 AM

Sheppard did refer to the Ancients and their "new ZPM", though whether he meant "new to the city", or "new to the ancients" could ofcourse be debated. The exact words he used:

. My first impression, in any case, was that the Ancients had made a new ZPM, or something like that (though on second thought, it was probably the ZPM their ship was speculated to be equipped with). But Sheppard's wording suggested a brand new ZPM.

Posted by: baggers1982 Sep 26th 2006, 6:35 PM

i thought it was a really good episode. could have done with some more cgi but the story was good. the only thing that annoys me is those damn ancients. how come they're always so cocky and they always seem to fall on their arses!!!Besides, how long has it been since these new ancients left atlantis, surely the replicators they left behind were no where near as advanced as these ones. Good cliff hanger ending though.

As i live in the uk i have to download the episodes on itunes to see them first, any idea when the second part of the season kicks off.i'll have to twiddle my thumbs till then!!!

Posted by: kordone Sep 26th 2006, 9:18 PM

I thought this was a damn good episode. It might have lacked in the action department, but I think this is leading up to a cracking Part II.

Posted by: UMichSpeedCubist Sep 27th 2006, 1:25 AM

I agree with fan_83 about Wier, she gave up a lot to do the Atlantis expedition, and it's a big change in her life, this would easily lead to depression for anyone, I don't care how much of a fighter you are. Also she wasn't a whinner before or after, so I don't know why you said that. She was just really withdrawn from the world it seemed, and that is exaclty how I'd have felt. Note that this is very different from the episode where she thought she was going crazy in a mental institution in so many ways that you can't really compare the two.

It seems no one else mentioned this, but it kinda seemed at least at first, that Carson was making some sort of pass on Weir. Or I guess the actor appeared a little creepy in that situations because it is so different from the typical situations the character is in. All together though, I loved seeing the personal-side on their lives when back on Earth.


That plot device of ATA gene makes such perfect sence though... it shows that humans are advancing and that there may have been inter-breeding among Ancients and early humans. I don't think that the ancients would care about it. To them both are almost equally less-advanced than they are so it shouldn't matter from their point of view.



Could you elaborate? That was kinda random. I think I know what you mean, but for those that don't...

Also do note that the SG-1 budget and the Atlantis budget are separate. (Someone, could have been you, mentioned that they put all the budget into "Quest", and this is just wrong.)


There are a few possiblities here. It could be the case that she actually heard about WoW comming out (it was long anticipated so she knew aobut it before leaving) and loves the game (or that genre of games, MMORPG) and requested it in a databurst fromt eh SGC in one of the communications which occured after it's release. I'm not sure of the timing but it could have been early enough to get a beta. Also are we 100% certain this episode is set in the *present* and not say a month in the future, or a year, etc.?

She could have acted like she didn't know much about WoW in an effort to pretend she was interested in Dr Lee romantically. Or been distracted by McKay's progress.

Or! Dr Lee thinks Wier is hot (I know I do), and heard rumors that she liked WoW and it was him that didn't know what he was talking aobut and was trying to impress her.... and that she played along thinking to herself "this loser doesn't play WoW, like the l337 mage I am" (lol).

Okay so a more plausible thing is that the writers where trying to make Dr Lee out to be *such* a nerd that he actually somehow, due to some strangeness built a level 75 character through some hidden means or program Easter Egg. Becasue, I am sure that among all the many ppl involved in making the show that *someone* knew the level caps for that game. Moreover, he's a genious so it's possible for him to hack it to level 75. Lots of ppl I know hack a game to some extent, or "dup" items, or exploit some bug or anther (there where many since its release, although not as infamous as Diablo cheats).

Now going under the assumption that Wier doesn't play. I'm sure Dr Lee had his supiscions since the beginning, and was just testing her all along. Maybe he was so caught up talking about himself that he ignored the "mage as a race" thing. Maybe he was thinking that this chick reall digs me and is trying to find some way of talking to me. Maybe he's an optimist that way!

Eh... the whole conversation sounded really patronizing both ways, so who knows!


Maybe McKay did something to make it really easy for them to do so, so they did. Or they could have done so as they were going in to make it so that this type of haking could not happen again (them getting frozen temorarily), assuming they did, which I would try if I were them. "So what if they have Atlantis?" Well then we wouldn't have it!!! Duh... all that cool knowledge and technology to be found. Lots of cool things yet to be discovered lying around the city... "Why not just blow up Atlantis from orbit?" For them it's a war. And history shows that people will first try to take something over and convert it to suit their needs before trying ot blow it up all together. This makes sence in terms of war stratagies.... damn I play too much Warcraft o_O. "They wait around and let Jack and Woolsey get a message off to Earth and THEN they stop them." Maybe Jack is just that fast, and there was little waiting invovled.

It could have been that they shot a projectile into the city that contained replicator pieces.... (you see where I'm going with this). Erm... such a thing could have even penetrated the city shields with what thy know about (essentially) their own technology.

"If they're sending a nuke, they're going to kill Jack and Woolsey." It's called triage.... sometimes you make the assumption ppl are dead (or as good as dead) already and then proceed with the next logical course of action. You are also makeing a big assumption about their intentions of Earth and the Milky Way... this is a dangerous assumption in fact.

"The best thing would be what Sheppherd and the rest are doing." Well that is certainly debatable. I would say no to it. I would instead say that: "The best thing for the writers/directors/producers to show the audience would be what Shepperd and the rest are doing". Ya see what I'm getting at.... what's best for the characters is not the same as what's best for the show. Doing what is right is not always best for the show either.


There is not enough information to say definitively about what the character ikes to do in her spare time. Although she did appeared unknowledgeable about it and it wouldn't suit her portrayed personality. There could have been some sort of reverse phycological thing going on there, in which Wier was trying to make Bill think she is interested in him when she is not by pretending to know less about things than she really does.


Okay well think about it. If they where Asurans than why not immediately shoot the Deadalus down when it saw them? How would the Asurans even know where to find them at that moment in time? How could they have known abot the intergalactic bridge project? McKay could have looked up that captain's name in the Ancient database along with any ship information the Ancient party could have provided them (that is relay it to Atlantis and have someone there do a background check). They can then proceed with quarying for information that post-dates last contact with the Asurans to see if they knew things that where more recent in their history. The Captian's parents names for example. Next we could send a person over there to run some sort of test to see if they are truely organic in nature... DNA testing is good enough probably. Use your imaginination, cuz the screen time was better spent showing other things.

Wait.... come to think of it... if the Asurans could have sent a ship way out there than why not one to Atlantis days earlier and attacked the city directly instead of going through the trouble of messing with Deadalous?


-Doug

Posted by: KillerMarv Sep 27th 2006, 4:27 AM

The ship was travelling for 10,000 years. The Asurans would have sent such a ship a long time ago to reach the Milky Way to atack a race of people that they were not allowed to atack. This is a more plausible explanation to why that ship would have never been asigned as an Asuran ship. The Atlantis expedition members would have known that, and that is why there was no doubt for them that it was really an Ancient ship.

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Sep 27th 2006, 7:28 AM

I was just commenting that I wanted to see, somewhere, someone questioning that they may not have actually been Ancients and may have been the reps. It would literally take a few seconds to have someone bring it up and then have some proof conducted in the background.

Posted by: CobraBog Sep 27th 2006, 9:03 AM

I realy liked this episode from start to finish. First there was McKay on the Dedalus and they way he explained how the bridge works. Then there was the way they encountered the Ancient ship (i didnt expect that). There was also how the replicators changed their program to be able to atack ancients as well. And of course i enjoyed how they broke the rules (like in within the serpents grasp) and fled SGC into the pegasus galaxy. Cant wait to see the conclusion.
Hey there was also Ronin and his nice "i won't leave this galaxy until all wraith are dead."

Posted by: More Cowbell! Sep 27th 2006, 12:02 PM

That is true, they kind of just glazed over that one. What if they were the Asurans (sp?). I guess this could go in the nitpicks.

Posted by: KillerMarv Sep 27th 2006, 12:18 PM

Just because they didn't mention something that was obvious does not make it a nitpick. They couldn't be the Asurans and the Atlantis expedition knew that. They just didn't mention anything about this in their discussions like Hobo said (at least not for the audience ). An episode only has 42 minutes, there isn't enough time for everything.

Posted by: UMichSpeedCubist Sep 27th 2006, 12:38 PM

I don't know if we can say that for sure at that point in the plotline. It could have been that the Asurans dropped out of hyperspace just before the midway station and then engaged with sublight engines to fool us.

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Sep 27th 2006, 1:00 PM

That would only have worked if they could have figured out how to travel to .999 c, but yes. We don't know what their technological limit is so it could just as easily been then. It would have been nice to see this addressed, but alas they did not. Of course, I spent the entire episode waiting for it to be revealed that they were the Asurans (as I pointed out earlier) but that's another story. They're the ancients, the Asurans are attacking. It could have been just a little more tied up had the writters thought of this one minor 10 second point.

Posted by: Jade Sep 28th 2006, 6:55 AM

I am looking forward to the second part, just wish don't have to wait so long!
About the Ancients, initially I thought they were the replicators as well. THese ancients addressed the same as the arura class crew. So basically over 10,000 yr or more has passed since, obviously these ppl are not as advanced as they don't understand ascension as the ones that went back to earth
But I think it is cool that the acient got to Atlantis, and new equipment popped up, that Mackay had never knew

BTW, the leader of the ancient looked very familiar, does anyone know what else she is in? I think she played Mulder's sister in X-file, but not sure!

Posted by: JTMAG1 Sep 28th 2006, 6:53 PM

She was in an earlier startgate ep. That was said earlier in the post.


I think the Asurans didn't destroy Atlantis from Orbit becasue they want to take it over now. The center of their city was destroyed, why build a new one when you can just go and take one of the originals.

Posted by: EH Stormcrow Sep 29th 2006, 3:20 PM

This was a pretty good ep, can't wait to see the second part...

I wonder if Hermiod got to chat with the Ancients...and tell them stuff like "all yours relatives are energy now"

What do you think the replicients will do to the real flesh Ancients? Kill them just like that? Or do you think they will probe them a bit first?

Posted by: kordone Sep 30th 2006, 8:33 AM

& that would be a conversation i'd like to see

Posted by: cosmos Oct 1st 2006, 4:59 PM

Good episode, interesting idea but it feels like nothing much happened in the first part.
Anyway, I liked that Sheppard assumed command on an SG team and gained some knowledge of what is going on with the Ori. I wish a little bit more of that was shown.

I was surprised to see the jumper in the SGC gate room.

I noticed that he took the Jumper up in order to park it same as in Atlantis but we know that the SGC doesn't have an open second floor in the Gate room. So where did he go? I would have thought that he would have to maneuvre in the gate room and land it temporarily there. But we clearly see when he is about to leave again the jumper comes down vertically from above to a puddle level.

The disobeying orders and sneaking out was very SG-1 end of season 1. I am thinking that maybe for the second part of the series, Shep is demoted to major again for his actions and we have a new military commander.

It's a different thing to have allowed SG-1 to go unpunished for disobeying orders when Earth was at stake of total annihilation. But since the Atlantis expedition is so far away from Earth, the stakes are not seen as dire.

Whatever the success of the mission might be I don't see, realistically, the airforce to just let him resume with just a warning. Without being punished at all for acting on his own against orders.

Since Weir is not military and the best qualified person to run Atlantis she won't be in much trouble but Shep should be off the Atlantis permanently and being court martialled for it.

I would have liked it to be shown as following though. Since Shep saved O'Neill and gained control of Atlantis. O'Neill pulls all his weight to save Shep's position in the Atlantis as a team leader, the only sacrifice is that he loses his promotion and a new military commander is assigned above him. At least for a limited period of time.

Posted by: Revan Oct 2nd 2006, 1:31 PM

Why did you open a thread about what you just asked?

Shep will likely have to face reprercussions... unless he 'saves the day'.

Posted by: cosmos Oct 3rd 2006, 10:00 AM

What do you mean?
I may have mentioned the Jumber thing in the nitpicks area too and then casually mentioned it again here as an additional comment.


That was my point exactly in my previous message that regardless of him saving the day, he would have to face reprecussions and possibly the continual reminder/harassment (By Commanding officers) about not being a good officer because he doesn't follow orders.

Posted by: Revan Oct 3rd 2006, 11:01 AM

I mean you didn't need to open an entire thread on the subject, you could have just asked here.

He already gets all that from commanding officers... Weir is with him this time, so I couldn't speculate about what could happen. Besides, they are trying to save Woolsey and O'Neill.

Posted by: EH Stormcrow Oct 3rd 2006, 5:21 PM

For the jumper, remember that right above the gateroom there is that missile conduit that they use to move the stargate in and out (remember the ep where they couldnt close it and jonas sugguested taking it away). They could have easily drilled a hole from inside the shaft to a small room. The jumper is easy to fly so that pretty easy for Shep.

Posted by: Revan Oct 3rd 2006, 10:04 PM

It is a missile silo, there would have already been access ports and storage rooms, so they could work on the rockets that were once there.

Posted by: Detox Oct 10th 2006, 10:38 PM

If Sheppard and Co. does save the day and take back the city (Which they will), then I doubt he'll face much trouble. Don't forget that Weir has alot of influence with the President and the international oversight committee. And if Sheppard does save O'Neil and Woosley, they probably won't even care, especially not O'Neil seeing as Sheppard's alot like him.

Posted by: kordone Oct 11th 2006, 6:25 AM

But I still think that the topic might come up in the future though... like the way they brought up Shep killing Col Sumner.

Posted by: Revan Oct 12th 2006, 4:59 PM

I have begun wtaching this episode again... and I realized, something isn't right about Captain Helia. I don't know what it is... but something about her is off, it like.. rubs me the wrong way. She kinda comes off as... a Lantian fugitive who sees an opportunity to take Atlanits, or an Asuran who wants it for herself... I dunno, she might just be a witch...

Posted by: Revan Oct 13th 2006, 4:20 PM

I was under the impression that the Genii were going to disarm and stop being agressive and violent... So was he lying, or what? Because apparently they are pised to deal a number of crippling blows to the Wraith.

Posted by: baggers1982 Oct 13th 2006, 4:39 PM

i doubt you can ever trust the geni. although their goal is the same as ours, they don't have the same resources as atlantis so will do anything to secure their safety. i'm just not sure how to see the geni even now with them under a new regime.

i think they will always be under threat from the wraith and by disarming they would be vulnerable to attacks so it aint gonna happen!!

Posted by: JTMAG1 Oct 13th 2006, 6:18 PM

I had that same feeling at soon as i saw her. I just sense negative energy coming from her.

Posted by: Pitry Oct 15th 2006, 4:56 PM

a. yes, probably, part 2 has the big effects.
b. Well... No Man's Land, Sateda, Progeny, Sateda, parts of Phantoms and Sateda have prolly eaten quite a large part of their budget. ;) It was the same with SG1, methinks - after Flesh and Blood and Pegasus Project, I'm pretty sure they lacked some budget for Quest.
c. Oh, I'll give my ore enlightened comments tomorrow, need sleep now!

Posted by: baggers1982 Oct 17th 2006, 7:27 PM

as much as i'd like to say that there's something just not right about captain helia, i definately agree with sheppard about the whole couch thing. we would all be a bit miffed to find some strange people living in your house. by the looks of it they don't end up stopping for long which is good news. but maybe when we finally retake atlantis, theres an ancient survivor that gives us an insight into ancient technology. someone who was a military leader rather than a scientist.

Posted by: kordone Oct 18th 2006, 8:17 AM

I have a feeling that TPTB are going to make them eventually betray the limited trust we have with them, but I only see that happening when Laden isn't in charge anymore.

Posted by: Ty_dA_maNn58 Oct 19th 2006, 12:19 PM

If It wasn't for the 'previously on stargate atlantis' where it showed the human-ancient looking replicators, would of enjoyed this episode alot more. I knew what was coming. And this episdoe seemed to drag on a but. Well not neccessarily drag on, but not much happened In my eyes. They found hte ancients which was awesome (except for the fact that I highly doubt its really them) they got kicked out of Atlantis (which you have to admit was not entirely as bad as the episode made it look out to be, it wasn't a big tragedy or anything, As sheppard said 'imagine if you went off to fight a war and came home and somebody was sitting in your house, on your couch eating your cheetos.') I mean it would be nice if we could live along with the ancients and help eachother. It was a great umm..overlap? episode, lots of stargate sg-1 scenes, Sheppard was signed onto his own team, Beckett was at SG-1 (which would of been nice to see him in the halls with Sheppard, but I didn't know he was invited to the dinner, thought it would of just been Sheppard and McKay). Nice to see Landry and walter but they have been in a few. Syler got shot lol. Dr. Lee, Haven't seen him in awhile, he had a somewhat big role (I heard WoW is the best game ever) But still no Sg-1. I really want to see Teal'c just because I read that he has been the only one not in Atlantis. I mean even if they coulda put a large black man walking away in a scene, who they coulda argued was Teal'C would be good.

When they were preparing to come back to Earth I was thinking about how awesome it would be to have Ronnon to come back, I think that would be cool to see. Like to see him and Teal'C together. I wonder what it would of been like if Teyla and Ronon went with the Genii, I mean it seems a reasonable choice for them (until Sheppard showed up)

The cliffhanger wasn't too good, I like to get a lil more action out of them. I mean I hate every cliffhanger cuz it leaves u hangin, But this entire episode didn't have much action to it. If they would of ended the episode as the puddle jumper arrives in atlantis and they see all the people in there...I think that would of been a bit better.

I don't think they were the ancients cuz of a few reasons
1. the 'previously on stargate atlantis' kinda spoils it
2. They were so quick to kick us out
3. They even kicked the.atheseons (Teyla's people) off the planet which seemed odd and very unancienty of them
4. They sent just one ship out to intercept the replicators
5. They didn't bother to raise the shields till it was too late (which along with number 4 could just be considered cocky or plain stupid)
6. Nothing looked wrong with Atlantis when the jumped dialed the gate and Rodney overwrote the Iris thing
7. Woolsey, O'Neill seemed quite basic and normal toned? They seemed brainwashed.
8. Landry too came off a bit like this, and he seemed more angry (he told beckett he didn't call him which seemed a lil mean)
9. The girl..Helia she too looked a little brainwashed. As if she was a clone or something..or replicator


Although lacking some action I think this wasn't too good of an episode. But I think it's the setting for an AMAZING second part. Sheppard grabs some anti-replicator guns, goes to another planet to recruit the rest of his 'team' and who else is with them? Rodney the scientist, Beckett the Doctor, and Weir the leader/diplomat, and they are going to charge into Atlantis that is over run with replicators (to the best of their knowledge) It just sounds soooooooo amazing. I havent seen a team like that in forever...March soo far

Posted by: JTMAG1 Oct 19th 2006, 8:06 PM

What does that you think the Ancient's weren't really Ancients?



I don't remember exactly how long it has been since the Ancients took over, but perhaps the Tria wasn't repaired yet... in which case should they have sent two jumpers to be destroyed?

I do agree that the ep was slow, I found myself watching the clock, worrying that the action was never going to come.

Posted by: Revan Oct 19th 2006, 8:14 PM

We do know how long it was, because they mentioned it... Beckett told Weir it had only been 6 weeks working at the SGC, so he wasn't really used to it yet. We have no idea what became of the Tria, it could still be parked between galaxies.

Well, the action never did come. I must assume they will be holding the action until the second half of the season, which for America, will not be for a long time.

Posted by: Xen Oct 19th 2006, 10:41 PM

Preety slow EP, but I still enjoyed it. I saw the ending coming, which was disappointing. I can't wait until they show part 2 here in Vancouver, will it be around the same time as America? They probably took most of the ancients on board the Daedalus and had a small crew left on Tria to get it to Atlantis. But never made it?

To me it looked like the Anients were to cocky once they saw the Azurns on there sensors. They "thought" that they coudnt attack, but they didn't take the 10 000 years into account, if they knew it had been that long. I hope Jack is till alive, I could care less about wossly.

Posted by: kordone Oct 20th 2006, 2:01 AM

I have to agree. It should have been left out because it spoilt the episode.



I don't think they would kill Jack off in Atlantis if they ever wanted to, I think they woul do it on SG-1.



AHahhahahahaha

Posted by: Xen Oct 20th 2006, 2:06 AM

Yeah I bet they put Wossly, jack and Helia in the holding cell. Yeah and I dont think they will ever "Kill" jack. I mean I bet they will kill of his char just not him.

Wosslys character is needed but I just hate what he does. He was much better on Star Trek Voyager. I noticed in both places he plays straight characters. No humor, no "close" friends, etc.

Posted by: Pitry Oct 21st 2006, 8:46 AM

Woolsey and Jack

Loved this episode. I always seem to do like the quieter episodes better - and this had tis fair share of just nice, quiet moments.
It is kind of nice to see how they've bonded together - Rodney's ranting that he misses people (and ha! The bit with Sheppard "not you, I'm talkign to you now and having dinner with tomorrow" ;)) - Ronan acting a bit too much like a kid but it was still nice - again, Weir and Carson, I loved them both in this episode.

think Weir acted diferently than he did on The Real World because there she was told none of this has happened. Once she was willign to accept it was all just a dream, she was willing to move back into her life. Return was different - she knows it was all real, she knows it was all taken away from her. No wonder the poor gal was depressed.

Sheppard wasn't nearly half as annoying in this episode as he usually is, hooray! I loved the bit with Landry once htey come back from the mission - "Tell me you did not engage the Orii." Pause. "We did not engage the Orii". bwa ha. I don't understand tho, why he had SGSC patches rather than a specific team's. I would have expected him to command SG2. (out of curiosity, I wonder if these events take place prior to or after The Quest. Since there's an unknown gap of time between Company of Thieves and The Quest, it could very well drop between these two episodes.)

The Ancients. Funny, I never knew you could spell "arrogant" with a c... *rolls eyes* No wonder this race got itself extincted - twice. How they ever reached their level of technology, heavens know (but, no wonder they're stupid, their commander is Linea.... they have to stop re-using actors for the simple reason I spent half the episode distracted trying to figure out who she was!) - it's funny, SG1 spent 7 years portraying the Ancients as the collest of races ever, and the last three years on both shows showing us just how much they're not! Speaking of an overrated race...

Jack!

So the bridge is finally complete, no mroe need for ZPMs. Good, they can keep contact with Earth and not be invincible. I wonder if they're going to use the bridge in order to bring Wraith to the Milky Way, tho. - yes, we already have our share of replicators, thankyouverymuch.

All in all, loved it. Hooray. ;)

Posted by: More SG-1 Nov 23rd 2006, 7:08 AM

i agree totally with you the first 30 mins so slow
i seen part 2 trust me it opens up so many talking points there should be heps or discussions on it

Posted by: shadderk Nov 23rd 2006, 4:33 PM

Just watched the 2nd part to this on the weekend, was aired in canada on movie central, but dont see a thread for episode 311 yet, will wait to comment when its added.

2nd part was great

Jack and his sarcastic comments, man I miss Jack!

will wait to see the 311 thread to comment more.

Shad

Posted by: fan_83 Nov 24th 2006, 9:17 AM

is arcady online this couple of days?
i pmed him 2 days ago about 311 but theres no reply.. is he waiting for the us release before opening the 311 thread?

does any of the other mods know whats going on ?

Posted by: Dafmeister Dec 20th 2006, 5:25 PM

I loved this episode, Atlantis is proving to be the better of the two shows this year, with the exception of 'Irresistable' . I'm kind of glad that the Ancients got their arses handed to them on a plate . I still don't see why so many people made a huge deal of RDA appearing on Atlantis. Everything I read made out that he would actually be in the episode but, yet again, his presence wasn't needed and he could have easily been substituted by Weir or Sheppard.
One thing I noticed at the beginning of the epsiode, after Sheppard got to the half way point, he dialled Earth with Milky Way Stargate with the Jumper's DHD, a DHD that has the Pegasus symbols on it, he should not have been able to dial the first Milky Way Stargate.

Posted by: KillerMarv Dec 20th 2006, 5:38 PM

I think that it has something to do with the macro McKay made for the program. The program may also be able to translate the destination address from Pegasus galaxy symbols into Milky Way symbols or something. Sheppard dials the corespondent address in Pegasus symbols, than the program translates upon activation.

Posted by: JC1 Dec 20th 2006, 5:50 PM

I enjoyed this episode, a lot more than the SG1 mid season cliffhanger. There was some nice continuity between the 2 serires. Shepard at SGC and on an Ori planet, Landry, O'Neill, Zats etc.

It's nice to see the Ancients are still overconfident and arrogant as ever. They kind off deserved their fate, but hopefully they left their warship lying around.

The Air Force, and Landry, really don't seem to like Shepard. Military commander of Earths most advanced outpost to commander of a mere SG team, seems like a bit of a demotion and Landry did promise to end his carreer.

Bit of a nitpick but, in the 'Siege 3' the Daedauls was able to beam nukes through the Atlantis shield, so why would it be problem now?

Posted by: Dafmeister Dec 20th 2006, 5:55 PM

It's most likely something to do with the direction of the transportation. In 'The Seige' we saw Daedalus within Atlantis' shield and beaming a nuke out through the sheilds. In this episode, they wanted to beam something in through the shields. It's the same as the shields on Daedalus, nukes and rail guns can be fired from within the shields and can pass through unhindered but the shields stop anything from entering from the outside.

Posted by: JC1 Dec 20th 2006, 6:47 PM

Yeah, I would agree with this if it was Atlantis that was beaming the nuke outside the shield.

But the Daedalus and Atlantis are 2 seperate ships, with very different technology. I would have thought the shield would have blocked beaming from without or within the shield.

Maybe the Daedalus just knew the shield frequency or somehing.

Posted by: Pitry Dec 21st 2006, 8:45 AM

Actually, it can't be the macro. Mind that tehy already used a PJ in the Milky Way, both in It's Good to b King and Moebius...

Posted by: Dafmeister Dec 21st 2006, 11:41 AM

If you look at the DHD in that Jumper though, it does have the symbols from the Milky Way DHDs on it. Janus built the Puddle Jumper from 'It's Good To Be King' in the Milky Way so it would have to have the Milky Way DHD symbols on it.

Posted by: Pitry Dec 22nd 2006, 7:53 AM

Mmm, you make sense I guess. ;) I guess I just think it odd that the Ancients didn't build a single PJ in the MW, other than the time travelling one (yes, I know, keep the shows apart, PJs belong in Atlantis... meh) ;)

Posted by: baggers1982 Jan 16th 2007, 2:36 PM

Why is it that the situation in this episode even came to be? Obviously the ancients left pegasus and ascended in the milky way long before we encountered the crew on board the tria. what i don't understand is why the ascended ancients did nothing to help them,

We know that there are sympathetic ascended ancients in the pegasus galaxy, and we know that they have a watchful eye over the milky way, so surely they would have realised that there was a ship full of their ancestors more or less stranded in space.

I know that they have a non interferance ideal, but surely this should be put aside in regards to their own kind.

Posted by: Dafmeister Jan 16th 2007, 5:34 PM

It wouldn't be much of a rule if they could disregard if for their own kind. Their rule is not to interfere with the lower planes and that is what they did. Kind of heartless but if they disregard it for one set of "lower beings", those that want to act against the Ori could use that incident of interference to justify their interference in order to stop the Ori.

Posted by: Parmenides Jan 25th 2007, 2:48 PM

Phwoar, that was a good episode. I miss this sort of Atlantis.

Kudos to the writers for using the time dilation effects of Special Relativity...too bad they chose to ignore the effects of length contraction, which goes hand in hand with time dilation. The warship in fact appeared to be stretched which, granted, made it look spiffier, but it just didn't fly, physically. I know I'm nitpicking, but I don't care.

Recognised Linea straight away. It was nice to be seeing her again. I didn't buy the Ancients, either. The more we see of real, living Ancients, the less I like them. I'm sick of the "previously on SG..."s - they ruin whatever surprised is planned by shoving it in your face and reminding you of it. Seriously, if you don't know what's going on, tough.

I'm thinking the Atlantis writers are deliberately ripping off SG-1 - it's the only reason I can think of for why so many of Atlantis' plots are basically lifted from SG-1. (well, apart from The Real World - that was Buffy...or whatever Buffy lifted that from ) I liked how they did it this time more, though - the episode's end was really tense, I wanted to see them get away.

I'm glad the ineptitude of the intergalactic bridge was brought up. It was a dumbass idea all along. It was quite nice to see it complete though.

Is it just me, or is Landry always a hardass when he appears in Atlantis? In SG-1 he seems quite understanding, but in Atlantis he's always a stickler for orders. O'Neill was unnecessary. He seems to have been popping up a lot this season, and he's not really been adding anything. Maybe he'll be dead.

I wonder what's going to happen to the Ancients that will make them disappear by the end of the next episode...