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Posted by: Arcady Feb 24th 2004, 3:59 PM

Episode 20 - Inauguration
Air Date: (UK) February 24, 2004
Air Date: (US) March 5, 2004

The newly-elected president must be informed about the Stargate program, and Kinsey makes a new play for control of the program.
Guest starring http://www.robertpicardo.com/ as Agent Woolsey, http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001074/ as Vice President Kinsey.

http://www.sg1archive.com/s7credits.shtml#720 | http://www.sg1archive.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3703 | http://www.sg1archive.com/teasers/720.html

(This topic is for people who have seen the episode to discuss it. If you don't want to be spoiled, don't read this topic.)

Posted by: Jmaster33 Feb 24th 2004, 4:01 PM

Excellent episode, in my person opinion, especially for a clip show. Good old Woolsey, I had a feeling he'd end up being a good guy.

Posted by: SAS Feb 24th 2004, 4:02 PM

just finished it, not too bad, Woosley isn't as bad as he first seemed the Veep is still a SOB, I'm not too sure about the new President.

I read somewhere that the new President was a old friend of Hammonds yet he never seemed to know him, oh well. Lost City will hopefully be good, Quick Question the clip they showed of the gate room being shot up, any one have any idea what episode it was?

Posted by: Jon The UK SG-1 Fan Feb 24th 2004, 4:03 PM

Very interesting ep, not my favourite but very vital to the story. I'm glad Woolsey had a change of heart
I thought the new president was so funny at the begining asking that guy who all these ppl were following him ad the guy was like....um...they work for you Mr President then he said, "are they gonna follow me everywhere" lol.

Posted by: SAS Feb 24th 2004, 4:10 PM

yeah that bit was funny, i recognized Kennedy and Lincon busts that he was looking at was the 3rd Bust FDR? (im from the UK so not too sure on US Presidents)

Posted by: Kree! Feb 24th 2004, 4:23 PM

Good for A clip show. but thats all, nothing special. I can't stand the idea of the show being set in the future [even if just for a number of months.] as soon as the lost city has finnished i will give a break from Sky. i don't know if i will bother watching season 8 if it is going 2 be this crap...

The lost city better kick some serious a$$ or my confidence in the stargate franchise has been well and truely lost

Posted by: Raz Feb 24th 2004, 4:23 PM

Although I had my doubts because it was a flashback episode, I thought it was pretty good! It had a good storyline and few flashbacks so I was pleased. The fact that the president now knows what Kinsey is up to is also pleasing, he will never get his own way! And its good to know Agent Woolsey is on our side aswell! Anyway, I think the true intentions of the president were well known throughout that he was taking the Chief?s side of the story was obvious to all parties! I was just thinking, ?Any second now, Thor will beam in and say to leave the SGC in command of General Hammond!? I didn?t think that Gen Hammond would give up the disk so easily either, but I suppose it was put to good use!
This episode was a great stepping stone to the final 2 parter finale?s! The Lost City next week should be explosive and then the week after that the final episode should be immense!! (I thought the fact that they showed O?Neill getting the Ancients knowledge downloaded into his brain wasn?t just a coincidental clip shown from a previous episode!!)

I can?t believe its going to be finished in 2 weeks! Can you imagine next year at this time, the Programme will finish for the last time, no more SG-1??.Thank God we have a whole season left (20 episodes!!, and Atlantis!)

The episode gets 7/10 for me!!

I have a complaint though?when they showed the destruction of the system lord?s fleet at the hands of Anubis in Full Circle, they made it look like Anubis that said ?Your time is Up?, when in fact it was Yu?.that was VERY stupid!!

Posted by: stargatesweetie Feb 24th 2004, 4:32 PM

As has already been said, given that tonights episode was a clip show, it was actually pretty good-on this occasion there was a decent story line. I like the fact that Woolsey has "redeemed" himself and shown that atleast he is honourable. The sooner Kinsey gets his come-uppance the better, that man makes my skin crawl .
Looks like the underlying "political" currents are being set in motion for the next season.

Posted by: SG1nut Feb 24th 2004, 4:50 PM

I agree with the fact that, " Ohmygosh- not another clip show"- however, well done to the characters and writers- they actually seemed to pull it off on this occasion! In plain ole english- I liked it!

I like the president. I think he's amazingly understanding for someone who just found out about the SG program, if not charismatic and intelligent to realise just what a devil that Kinsey is. That Woolsey appeared to be siding with the good guys by the end of the ep and to that I say, "Good for you son- you're picking the right side to join."
But I just wanna say one thing to end off my post;

"Can we kill KINSEY? Please? Can we huh, can we?" *Childish voice*
He's such as _sshole- if I had a sniper rifle- I'd make sure he got what was coming to him and I mean not taking some "poxy" shot at his chest!
(Anyway- seeing as you all know my, frankly worrying psychotic tendencies I'll just finish off by saying... I CAN'T WAIT FOR NEXT WEEK KIDS! This ep is a perfect way of leading into the series finale...)

Posted by: jaffagod Feb 24th 2004, 4:57 PM

I am very happy to be able to write this and say that I liked it. Much better than Disclosure in my opinion. Brfore I watched it, I had a clear idea in my headee of what I was going to say about it. Waste of time, nothing episode....etc. but I just can't.

It seems like it will be a very important episode to look back on in season 8, what with the many developments that we saw. Even although it was very good on first view, I think that it is an ep. that I will watch again, perhaps at the end of season 8, and say "yeah, that all makes sense now".

On the downside, it was another Earth-based episode and a clip-show (to some extent) and that kind of ep. can only be so good. Hopefully *on knees praying* this means that all the money that must have been saved from these eps. will be poured in to the Lost City to give us a special effects bonanza.

The best part of this ep. for me was definitely the new President. What a guy. I'm so glad that they put a decent, down to earth sorta guy in as the president. "Who are these people?.......shouldn't I know who they are?" Brilliant!

Overall, it was good for what it was - a clip show - but it wasn't great. Definitely better than last week though. 7/10.
All that's left to say is 5 words.....BRING ON THE LOST CITY!

Last thing:

Posted by: Jmaster33 Feb 24th 2004, 4:58 PM

I liked when Woolsey said "I just hope history remembers me as someone who did the right thing".

Posted by: Raxor Feb 24th 2004, 4:58 PM

***
makes me hate kinsey more

very interesting to watch, i enjoy this side of sg1, nice reuse of the kickass Thor Scene and mabourne has been in this season even if it was only a clip but still!

Posted by: Jacks Girl Feb 24th 2004, 5:01 PM

....hello?? I'm sorry did they replace tonights Stargate with an episode of the WEST WING!!! GEEEZ - well it looks like RDA aint the only one getting some 'time off'

all that aside, I did actually enjoy this ep. It was really well acted and I guess it was essential for some plot development. I like Woosley and I like the new President too, should be interesting to see how this all pans out.

NEED MORE JACK THOUGH GOD DAMMIT!!! need my RDA of RDA......*exits to SG1 Guys thread* (woooosh)

Posted by: Major Sam Carter O'Neill Feb 24th 2004, 5:01 PM

I actually liked this episode though normally i say god no not a clip show please god help us (as i did) but i watched it and found myself very interested.
I loved the Sam/Jack bit where Kinsey implied there was more, as he thought he'd won the President over.. Ha ha ha sucker!!

Anyway 6 days and 22 hours to go all those in the UK and who dwnload the episodes as they are aired over here ( or sumtimes before)
* does happy little dance* That's all folks!!

Posted by: Felger Feb 24th 2004, 5:10 PM

Brilliant, if only all politicians were like the new president then the world would be such a brilliant place. I mean how politicians do you think would be impartial AND have a good sense of humour!!!

I loved how Woolsey decided to do the right thing. Although i just think he tries to get to the truth of anything, so i don't know whether it was a change of heart because he was just doing his job and even said he would continue his investigation into the SGC. So i can?t say whether i think he is good or bad, because he is neither. I have confused myself now

Anyway i also loved Woolsey saying, "I just hope history notes that i did the right thing" (or something to that effect). Then the president said "but who's version" (again something to that effect). Because i liked how it was a hint that Woolsey or anybody else can't just split thee world into Good and Bad, and that there are many shades of Grey. (or i am doing what i usually do and look to far into it)

Also in that scene i thought "Oh no" because (i have no idea why) i thought that the president would turn out to be fake, using on e of those holographic projects from "foothold" and would kill Woolsey. However i now think that would have been a tad over the top.

Overall 8/10, i really enjoy the more political show.
Bring on the final episode!!!!!

Posted by: anastasia_beaverhausen Feb 24th 2004, 5:14 PM

Flashback episode - ugh Although it's the best flashback episode by far, and despite it being one, I actually almost quite liked it. Atleast there has certainly been worse in this season.

I like this new president guy. I think he's kinda funny and likeable.

For some reason, I felt sort of sorry for Woosley when he said "I just hope history remembers me as someone who tried to do the right thing" I've never liked him before but now I do, he's a good man at heart...

My last point: Damn but this build up to The Lost City is killing me! This week is going to go by oh so slowly

Posted by: stoo Feb 24th 2004, 5:19 PM

Just watched it, great for a clipshow, but a man with integrity working for the us government (or any government) I found hard to believe, perhaps he's got his own hidden agenda.. Good humour as well even with the old odd couple of jack and t'ealc.

Posted by: Jupiter_Jazz Feb 24th 2004, 5:22 PM

Posted by: invisible painting Feb 24th 2004, 5:32 PM

I liked it more then i thought i would, thats 2 episodes that jack hasnt been in though i knew he wouldnt be. Hopefully he hasnt been in 2 so that hell be in lost city in a decent amount. What do you think?

As a clip show it was quite good, i did think something was up with that anubis yu wrong voice thing i knew somethging was odd.

I thought that the episode could have been more complete though.
But quite good

Posted by: ali Feb 24th 2004, 5:38 PM

I thought it was better than 'Disclosure' but I'm not really a fan of clip shows. Having said that, there was a lot more of a storyline in this one so it wasn't so bad. I was actually shouting at Kinsey at some points...he should be beaten. I liked the guy that kept standing up for the Stargate programme and SG-1.

But no Jack godammit!

EDIT: Invisible painting, I think you're right. He should be in the Lost City quite a lot. If he's not, there's gonna be trouble...

Posted by: ThreeFriesShortOfAHappyMealWacko Feb 24th 2004, 6:18 PM

A second straight episode without O'Neill.
Woolsey wanting to take down Kinsey and the NID.
Hammond being the only cast member to appear in this episode.
Oh, did you people see the new president (Henry Hayes) act kind of like O'Neill, at the beginning of the episode.
I wonder what Kinsey felt (or was thinking) after they left for recess.


God, I can't wait to download the next episode.

Posted by: Mike Feb 24th 2004, 6:34 PM

As much as I hate flashback episodes, I have to give this one my seal of approval. The one piece that made things interesting was Woosley gaining a conscienous. More of the chess game that politicians play but you can anticipate the build up to the eventually downfall of Kinsey or whatever effects may happen when it all hits the fan. When it all hits the fan, the residual effects are not equally distributed.

The more I see Kinsey, the more I want to see his azz kicked. I'm sure many of you will agree with that statement.

Posted by: GuNdj Feb 24th 2004, 6:58 PM

Hmm, good episode.
I liked how they talked about O'Neill having the ancients knowledge downloaded into his brain and "transforming" him. A hint at things to come perhaps?

A lot less clips in this one, which i thought was good, but the lack of any of the main cast was dissapointing. Still the best Political based episode to date though, and sets up The Lost City very well.

I'm so excited about next week! With the quality of the last few episodes being sub standard, I too hope that all their resources were diverted to the finale.
The next week is going to go so slowly, I probably won't be able to sleep next Tuesday night (Time difference means it airs wednesday morning my time, then I download it)

Posted by: Majikthize Feb 24th 2004, 7:11 PM

This one loses several million points for being a clip show and being a confusing poilitical show but gains several million by actually being pretty good as a clip show goes.
I do think the clips were very selectively chosen to lead us in to, what I suspect, The Lost City will be all about though. Not that this is a bad thing, but it did feel a little lacking in places...not much in the way of any action at all and some of the clips they didn't show that they could have. In all I felt like it was very much a series ender. A let's tie a few things up before the big finish type of story. Maybe that was it's original intention before S8 got the go ahead.

I didn't like that stupid "interpersonal relationships" comment. As if we need Kinsey supliementing the ramblings of manic shippers as well! No seriously. I honestly think that if there'd ever been any real evidence in the files that Sam and Jack were a little closer than they ought to be then, even reading between the lines, that Kinsey would have rooted it out and split up SG1 a long time ago.

My only real main gripe about this one (other than that it was a clip show) was that I didn't feel any real sense of drama or danger or that it actually went anywhere in the end. It basically ended at about the same status quo as before with just a hint that the NID might be a bit dirtier than we've been led to believe. I was kind of expecting a sort of cliff hanger ending...say Anubis starts attacking earth, or someone marching into Hammonds office and telling him to pack his bags. I guess what I'm saying is somewhere it lacked dramatic weight.
On the really plus side I thought the acting all round was absolutely top notch. So much so that could actually forgive them for only including about two minutes of new footage of anyone remotely considered a regular. Also the quality of the acting actually made me care about the political toing and froing going on. Woolsey surpised me by being half decent, but it felt totally in character. The president simply rocked. What a great guy. If only the real one was like that.

Ah no Stargate and no action though. What will the action fans make of this?

Posted by: stuck-with-macgyver Feb 24th 2004, 7:29 PM

Ohhh I have to say I liked that episode! SG 1 wasn?t in it ...and yet they were. I loved all those Flashbacks! Was good to see some old scenes!

I liked the President as well. He seems like a good guy and has humour! I hope he manages to keep the SGC safe.

I hate Kinsey! He could turn good and I would hate him! There?s just something about him that makes me shudder every time! Grrr! He can try as often as whe wants. He won?t be able to destroy SG1 and take the whole SGC! That man is *so* annoying! And I wonder what the he*l is really going on with the N.I.D. ...we always knew they were hiding something ...but I really get worried when I think of a possible "Kinsey-Goa?uld" conspiracy...and I kinda have the feeling that is going to happen. Kinsey and Anubis for example..ohhh brother! No, no. That are bad thoughts!

Oh and I?m really surrised to see that annoying Agent Woolsey turning into a ..somewhat good guy. I was actually quite glad as he turned up by Hammond and then brought the disc to the President. I?m curious where this is going...

Hehe. I really liked the part where they said there was more going on between Sam & Jack! Yeah sure, we all can read between the lines! But they have NO idea what really is going on! If they would know ...oh my! I?m glad that the bad guys can see that there?s more ...even if it?s not good tht they notice and use it for the bad....but at least it shows that the Shippers not the only ones who see the sparks flying!

I also liked that General who was on the side of Sg1 the whole time. Can see him working in the SGC as well. He?s a good guy!

Good episode!! Now I really can?t wait or The Lost City ...I?m so sure that will be a wonderful 2-Parter!

Posted by: SlavsyaRossiya Feb 24th 2004, 7:49 PM

I thought it ended too soon.

Posted by: JohnY Feb 24th 2004, 9:57 PM

It seemed like it ended too short too, but it's because it is really tied into the lost city finale. So it's like a 3 part season finale.

I enjoyed this episode alot, gives us alot of info to move on, good setup for the finale.

One thing that I thought was kinda weird in this episode tho. I thought that the 4 star general was a bit young. I thought they could have casted an older guy to play that role. I don't recall seeing alot of 4 star generals being in their late 30's or early 40's.

Posted by: kitsune Feb 24th 2004, 11:34 PM

Aside from the people who read spoilers (anyone left?) did anyone else get the impression in 'heroes' that Kinsey was running for president? Was there ever a clue that he might just be a vice president? When I saw the opening scene, I was so happy that Kinsey didn't make it.

It mostly went downhill from there. I must say that the usual clip show includes clips that are 3 times as long as they need to be, and I was braced for some of that, and it didn't happen as far as I remember. The Woosley thing was the best part though, and that is pretty sad.
Woosley did a terrible job presenting the case though; even I could have done a better job. He was vague many times, and often didn't back up stuff. I thought the acting was ok; it was just the writing that was bad.

I can't believe that Hammond kept the floppy in an unlocked drawer! I know the chance of it getting found is low, but come on!

Also, how did it take so long for Woosley to figure out how bad the NID is? If he was half as into this conscience thing as it appears, he should have noticed a long time ago. He does strike me as very intelligent, so it doesn't add up to me. Any logical explanations?

Posted by: chris_hotwire Feb 25th 2004, 1:00 AM

Good ep... I like the storyline... but I will agree with the previous mention that 2 eps without the gate in a row!... bad writers bad!

The ending did come all of the sudden.

The funniest part I think... that this clips show was using clips of the previous clips show (disclosure)





SPOILER SPACE:

















Of course for those that know, Kinesy (or however you spell it... I'd check but gateworld is down)... will resign the VP spot and be doing something from the private sector in S8.

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Posted by: SAS Feb 25th 2004, 4:23 AM

a few people I talked to about the Ep, were saying they thought Thor should "Beam" down to the Oval Office and relazing he has the wrong place, appologige to Hayes and ask for Directions to Kinseyes office, and mutter something about "pissing off the Asgard High Council once too often"

Posted by: Albion Feb 25th 2004, 6:25 AM

Well, I came into this one not expecting much...and it lived up to my expectations.

Not quite as boring and pointless as Disclosure, but close.

I know that TPTB were proud of the fact that they only had 20% clips in this clip show, but that's really not much of an achievement if you fill the remaining 80% with nothing but dialogue that runs around in circles repeating itself endlessly for an hour. And if I want to watch The West Wing, that's what I'll watch, thanks. When I switch on Stargate, that's kind of what I expect to watch.

It had a few redeeming features which puts it above Disclosure imo - Hayes was a likeable enough guy, there were a few lines of amusing dialogue (I did like Hayes coming into Kinsey's office looking like he'd just been hit with a sledgehammer, tie askew, after his Stargate briefing) and Woolsey's defection at the end was interesting, but any elements in this important to the main story arc could have been dealt with in a couple of throwaway scenes - stretching them to a whole episode was just taking the michael.

Ah well - thank goodness we should be back to a good old-fahsioned Stargate potboiler next week.

Oh, and I too thought it was quite hilarious that Hammond just reached into the drawer and came out with the floppy immediately. Geez. Couldn't they spring to a couple of minutes to let him walk over to a safe or something? Still...they did hint in that scene that Hammond's 'connections' had informed him that the Stargate personnel were being debated in the White House - perhaps he was anticipating having to use the disk at some point and was keeping it handy.



Albion

Posted by: ramuund Feb 25th 2004, 7:36 AM

I am with the major crowd here when i say, the episode, went above what i was expecting.

I hadn't read any spoilers sinse around october last year on this one but i had heard that it was going to be a 'clip' show but i actually found myself, very rare at the moment with the quality of episode, fully involved with watching it and not wondering off to go get some pieces of toast..and tea.

I dare the new president and the jokes, about the starnge people following him, were top notch.

I that Woosley really came good and to think that i wanted to strangle his neck this time last week! LOL...no need to worry though..i will strangle Kinsey's instead.

Posted by: Dafmeister Feb 25th 2004, 8:31 AM

I liked this. I enjoy the eps that are a kind of clip show. I dont about Woolsey though. Personally i dont believe he is trying ot help the president.

Posted by: Raxor Feb 25th 2004, 8:32 AM

also one thing to add:
Pops has been at least Once in every season now, so what if it was in a flashback

Posted by: Varun Feb 25th 2004, 9:51 AM

I ought to be kicking myself.

Before I watched the episode I came here and saw the first post and then scrolled down unnecessarily to see that Woolsey would turn out to be a good guy.

In either case, the episode really made me scared. The president seems to believe that the SGC needs new personell and that makes me hate him even more since we all know that Hammond wont be in season eight.

Really sad episode IMO.

Seriously, I think I would beat up Cox even if he was the greatest guy in the world if I meet him outside somewhere

Posted by: Cirus Feb 25th 2004, 11:29 AM

The only thing that bugged me about the ep and i understand why they did it was to use clips from a clips show in a clip show. apart from that I thought it was not a bad episode

Posted by: gadireis Feb 25th 2004, 12:48 PM

which episode is the one where Jack went missing, and Carter didn't want to give up?

Posted by: The Doctor Feb 25th 2004, 1:02 PM

Deja vu in terms of Season 1. Bettere than Politics but not as good as disclosure.

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Posted by: kazz Feb 25th 2004, 5:33 PM

at first i though oh no not anoher clip show but it turned out to be really good and i thought the president was reall funny.

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Posted by: Kromando33 Feb 26th 2004, 2:42 AM

not too bad for a clip show probably the best sg1 flashback ep i've seen though, i rekon woolsey made a much better bad guy & than i good guy, he had evil governmanet agent look about him, like agent smith , it was pretty boring but it should make a good continue on to the lost city 2-parter, man i can't wait for the final showdown with anubis it's be awesome & the prometheus is gonna get blown to crap!!!
(no spoiler just my opinion)

Posted by: cjp_24 Feb 26th 2004, 7:00 AM

OMG. I have checked the Sky listings and found that Sky are running the last two episodes seperate weeks. I would of thought that they may of ran them together like they sometimes do. Means I have to tape the first episode and miss a week of SG1 ( cry!

Posted by: Dafmeister Feb 26th 2004, 8:40 AM

Posted by: gadireis Feb 26th 2004, 8:43 AM

who plays the president? he looks familiar

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Posted by: ccl28 Feb 26th 2004, 6:03 PM

Here's my review:

ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: Kromando33 Feb 27th 2004, 2:46 AM

well the finale 2-parter better make up for this....

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Posted by: ---Qetesh--- Feb 27th 2004, 12:09 PM

even though it was only a flash back ep with no gate or sg1 i think it was pretty gd, i always luv hearing about all the things theyve done over the 7 seasons.also liked that woosley became kinda gd in the end. only odd thing i hav 2 say, is that the president seemed a little too laid back and a bit weird-taking the shoes off etc, but quite amusing.

Posted by: three fries shortofa happymeal Feb 27th 2004, 12:30 PM

i thought it was good especially for a clip and politics episode

i like the new president, he looked like he's a bit like o'neill.
im really glad wooolsey is turning good because i was looking forward to seeing robert picardo since i love the way he plays the doctor in voyager but i was dissappointed when he turned out a bit evil on stargate

they built up slighty to the final episodes aswell by mentionin the ancients knowledge in o'neill, maybe a hint?

Posted by: ---Qetesh--- Feb 27th 2004, 12:36 PM

[QUOTE]i like the new president, he looked like he's a bit like o'neill.

umm no not really....he was sooo way older and all wrinkly.
but everything else u sed i agree with, the whole thing about jack and the ancient knowledge seems slightly emphasied, so i guess they might be hinting at something...

Posted by: three fries shortofa happymeal Feb 27th 2004, 12:45 PM

i didnt mean he looks like o'neill i meant he looked like he acts like o'neilll, he shud like him

Posted by: ---Qetesh--- Feb 27th 2004, 12:49 PM

oh rite, sorry, yeh i do get wat u mean, he did look like he acts quite a bit like jack

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Posted by: Carter-Hot Feb 28th 2004, 1:30 PM

Well this episode was kinda disappointing, I dislike episodes featuring 9-5 people talking about SG-1 past missions, I guess I like new gate travelling episodes like the next guy, so this episode gets a 6 out of 10, but no point complaining about this episode, "The Lost city" (Part 1) is on next week! which is brilliant

Posted by: aka_big_wurm Feb 28th 2004, 4:29 PM

On the disk being in the drawer I would think that Hammon knew that he may need a copy of the disk handy and he did say it was not the only copy. (Maybe the general told him)

Am I the only one who thought that Kinsy was going for Presdent not VP?

The whole epsoide I was waiting for the presdent to say I want to see this for my self. Meet the people before I make up my mind.

-Big Wurm-

Posted by: Corporal McKee Feb 28th 2004, 5:15 PM

It doesn't matter if the drawer was unlocked...its a heavily guarded base with airmen everywhere.

He also stated "this is not the only copy".

I thought this was the best clip episode ever. It had a nice plot too, and it's cool to see the political aspect of the SGC for once, instead of the military side. I can't wait to see what develops from the next couple of episodes with the new Preisdent, Kinsey, and the Wolsey (sp) guy.

Posted by: Kromando33 Feb 28th 2004, 5:49 PM

this isn't really to do with this episode, but how many motherships do you rekon anubis will bring to earth??

Posted by: ASCENDED Feb 29th 2004, 3:27 PM

Posted by: PinkPeril Feb 29th 2004, 7:58 PM

Now I can understand that this ep would set the casual viewer up for the season's final show, as a hardcore Stargate fan though, I thought it was boring.

Don't get me wrong... the president was ok, the military guy was very loyal, and Kinsey was, well, Kinsey! But the story was as boring as hell and badly planned. Expansion on the bad planning: why would they give the example of SC being compromised as the scene in Entity where Jack had to shoot her, but then force the argument about the inappropriate relationship of SC/JO'N. A bit stupid if you ask me!

The only thing that kept me watching was the fantastic job done by Robert Picardo. Watching the doubt grow in his mind and that he had the integrity to follow it through. Well written and well acted.

Don't write episodes just for the hell of it!!! - Die with honour!!!

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Posted by: Papa Mar 2nd 2004, 2:48 AM

Nothing i hate more than a clip show ... thats all i have to say

Posted by: ramuund Mar 2nd 2004, 10:07 AM

4 hours and 52 minutes woohoo

You have to understand where the president is coming form here, in regards to him wanting to change personnel, he has just got in to the presidential position and has this put on him. Also, not taking away for all the files they gave him, but some missions or acts by SG1 have to be those 'you have to be there' sought of things and they might come off another way to others who haven't been there....did that make any sense at all?????

Posted by: French Carter Mar 2nd 2004, 10:42 AM

O.K: 4/10.

Too many clips show (will we have a third episode like that in 8th season ?), the president is very special and the story is long for no new evidences.

Using clips show is so boring. The first I understood but do it again one season later, it is amazing.
My question is: why did they have done this one if they do not give us clues? It is not a inauguration, it is a recapitulation. We knew before all they said in this episode. I don't see the goal of this kind of episode !!!
The caracter of the president is incredible. I don't give him a lot of consideration. He seems so "fun", so... I don't know. Is he really playing the role of the president of the USA ?

So, the worst episode of this season.

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Posted by: TDax Mar 6th 2004, 12:37 AM

I would like to say "Hello" I am a newbie, not to Stargate, but to this forum. I know with the end? coming it might be a little late joining up, but this is the best Stargate forum I have found.

First, I have watched Stargate since the movie, I don't know all the heavy stuff like some of you out there, but it is a very enjoyable show and I know enough I think to keep from sounding like a total idiot, I hope ...LOL.

I just finished watching tonight?s episode and I was very pleased. William Devane as President is a perfect choice, when he stopped to look at the Kennedy Bust was great, I thought he played JFK in a movie once and I always thought he looked like JFK. I am glad to see Devane not playing a puppet of Kinseys.

Kinsey is no George Apple that is for sure. I would like to get a sarcophagus and double Zat him several times a day just to pass the time away, call it a Presidential stress reliever. I also took it as when Kinsey was talking to the Woosley, he was indicating that if the President didn't play ball an assignation could be in the works.

I'll admit that I don't read the boards as much as I would like, but all through this episode I saw commercials for Stargate Atlantis, can any one or all of you explain what that is or direct me in the direction to find out what that will be and have they even talked about Presidential elections in past episodes and I just didn't hear it or what. You would think a change of administrations would be topic of the day at Cheyenne Mountain seeing how much Hammond has to use the red phone.

Anyway, I enjoy all of your posts and reading how much others enjoy the show too.

TDax, wishing that once I could travel through the gate.

Posted by: thatolchestnut Mar 6th 2004, 1:15 AM

I loved it!

You just gotta love how SG always sets the audience up in a clip show for a big bang (ex season 1). It was also pretty cool that they developed the plot a lot farther

Kinsey is now VP
Kinsey and NID still going strong
Kinsey is power hungry
The hint of a big gohuld fight refer to the comments on anubis
The hint of the lost city coming up


I dunno, i just like these political epis

Posted by: The Moody Goa'uld Mar 6th 2004, 2:15 AM

I just thought the coolest thing about this episode was there was a moment when it seemed to me like the character of the president was about to reach over and bite off the nose of Senator Kinsey.

During that first meeting with the president, the fancy general, kinsey and woolsey, it was apparent from a few of the close-ups of Woolsey that he was detecting something more in Kinsey's attitude; I saw Woolsey's change of heart as inevitable from that point of on.

Posted by: SG-15 Mar 6th 2004, 2:45 PM

It was alright. I just think all these current episodes were a little boring, but seem neccary to lead up to the finale. I was glad though that there weren't alot of clips.

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Posted by: sg1rox37 Mar 6th 2004, 8:31 PM

it was super dry and the show is Stargate SG-1 did anyone else notice that SG-1 wasent even in this ep at all- i ment any new sg1 i 4got bout the flash back clips but the was no new sg-1-!!!!!!!! i kept waiting for sg1 to com into the picture but they never did! usualy i like the ones with the political people in it but it was toooo dry, lack of music and - new- SG-1 bothered me

Posted by: Corporal McKee Mar 6th 2004, 8:59 PM

Presidents are normal people, too.

Presidents DO have personalities you know, and they CAN have a sense of humor, even if its just behind doors, like we saw the president here.

Posted by: seymour Mar 6th 2004, 10:07 PM

Season 8, we can have the new President as the series star (before the name of the show), his character does seem somewhat O'Neillish.....................I could visualize O'Neill in his BDUs saying some of the President's dialogue.

This episode was a new development, it was definitely not a clip-show and the few clips shown did not add to the episode because they were too brief to be meaningful (and really would have confused the uninitiated). It was almost like an episode for a spin-off series "The President and the Alien Conspiracy." However, the acting was terrific.

What seems odd to me was that the President didn't (apparently at least not on screen) try to directly talk to the people under investigation, i.e. Hammond and the members of SG-1. He definitely seems to be a character who doesn't take any B.S. and would talk directly to the source which of course begs the question "Why did he choose Kinsey as his running mate?"

I think Woolsey was right on the mark when he said SG-1 should at least take a couple of sick days off, at least Teal'c, Carter and Daniel should. O'Neill (as we are all painfully aware this season) is having plenty of sick days at present. Ahh the days when he was able to die several times and episode and be brought back to life for torture sessions (Abyss) only to be back leading SG-1 on another dangerous mission the very next episode.

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Posted by: Heru'ur Mar 8th 2004, 1:42 PM

I thought this episode was kinda boring since it was just people sitting around discussing past events and future plans. It didnt even have sg-1 in it doing anything new. It just had short clips from previous episodes. I guess they must have been busy filming all those great scenes from the Lost City. Which will be quite excellent.

Posted by: gategirl Mar 8th 2004, 5:57 PM

Well, I too was dismayed at getting another clipshow, but it wasn't too unbearable. Love the new pres. nice to know the face behind the red phone. Just hope that slimebucket Kinsey doesn't kill him off.

I think Kinsey hung himself out to dry when he assumed that Woolsey was just like himself. Robert Picard rocks.

All I can say is the next two shows better be outstanding, because we need it after the last few. Waiting for next (final ) season will be agony.

Posted by: Firefly Mar 11th 2004, 6:25 PM

Not too bad of an episode for not having SG-1 in it...I could've done without it, though, I guess. Oh well. Nice to see that guy at the end turning in Kinsey.

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Posted by: lonejedi75 May 9th 2004, 12:10 AM

I really liked this ep, manly because of the president. for the past seasons all we have ever heard of the president was that he favored the SGC but he was also very political. Now we have a face to relate to and reasons behind all the decisions done by him.

We also see all the heat that he is under, from other nations to his Vice. "evil guy that Vice" But the best part to me is that we sow some morals behind him. to me, he is now like, Hammonds Father figure.

Posted by: Mac.Fan May 9th 2004, 5:29 AM

I just saw the episode. It was a good one. The chief of staff(genral) trying to defend Hammond and SG1. The president couldnot belive what was going on and what SG1 been though in the past seven years. Kinsey is a a** hole. It was a shame that thor didnt drop in and had a little chat with the president and told him about kinsey and what he has done and now trying to do.

Posted by: systemlord234 May 10th 2004, 2:44 PM

this one i really didnt like. all it was was people talking about who should take control of the sgc. hello! general hammand was doing a great job!!!

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Posted by: Colonel May 27th 2004, 5:09 PM

i dont understand why they just dont shoot kinsey i mean plz can u kill him i think the new pres should of shot him soon as he found out about knisey

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Posted by: ussshorty Jun 10th 2004, 12:35 PM

I had mixed opinions about this episode. I guess i just missed all the action. I know sg-1 was still in the show but they weren't actually there if you get me.

I like the new president , hes very funny. Also Robert Picardo, i love his acting and he was just as brilliant as ever.

I guess this was an ok episode but it couldv'e been better.

Posted by: Goddess Feb 23rd 2005, 2:22 PM

At the risk of going against general opinion...this episode sucked!!! There were some good moments, like Woolsey's turnaround, and some good characters (Kinsey-the man we love to loathe) but even as a clip show, it was poor. They could have done so much more with an inauguration of a new President, or at least brought in some of the SG1 characters. But they didn't. Oh well, better luck next ep!!

Posted by: JamesG Feb 24th 2005, 2:23 AM

Yeah this episode wasn't too great, it was okay, but they could have made it more interesting. The new president seems good though.

Posted by: njeo Feb 28th 2005, 8:49 AM

I enjoyed this episode after the sad events of Heroes. I am never too keen on using clips to pad out an episode but I think after seven years, flashbacks are handy to refresh your memory as mine was faltering a little until the clips came on

It's an unwelcome truth that they'd be political wrangling and debating about events that have taken place, without actually involving the actual people who were being investigated and instead telling them afterward what has been decided and dismantling the SGC.

Throughout the oval office scenes I was screaming "just speak to the team!" but in reality this is how it happens - the wordplay and twisting of events is actually quite interesting to watch as the future of the SGC is decided by those who have no idea what really goes on there. One of the good qualities of SG1; the fact that it is set in present times allows for political storylines like these.

Good episode 8/10.

Posted by: stargate_addict Mar 18th 2005, 12:39 PM

Quick Question the clip they showed of the gate room being shot up, any one have any idea what episode it was?

Posted by: stargate_addict Apr 5th 2005, 9:49 PM

good show, very vital to story, but not my favorite there coverd it in some weird arangement of words

Posted by: starryeyes Oct 12th 2005, 3:44 AM

Liked this episode even though it had flashbacks which I generally hate.
I'm hating Kinsey more and more. I hope something unpleasant happens to him soon. Even though the Goa'uld are evil, this guy seems so much worse. Great acting by Ronnie Cox BTW.
I like the new president. I wonder if we will be seeing more of him next season. Robert Picardo was great and I'm glad he was starting to see the light re: Kinsey at the end.

Posted by: god of war Feb 27th 2006, 9:55 AM

I hate woolsey and kinsey
man oh man.
i still wondered what he would do with the gate
would he use it for the nid and just start taking crap from everyone
or has his hate for sg-1 and hammond just want him out.
and why would he attempt to piss them off
woulded that just force o'niel to use the disk of nid history?
what ever still great episode

Posted by: KillerMarv May 7th 2006, 6:58 AM

Yeah, nice episode, nice episode, glad Woolsey turned against Kinsey...

I don't know if you've noticed this... but when Hammond gives Woolsey that disk, it's like he knew that's what he wants for a few days. I mean, he opens the drawer and without even looking, takes out the disk and gives it to Woolsey. Just like that disk has been the first thing in that drawer all the time, or the only thing in there, which I highly doubt. It's been a while since he obtained it, a few years even. That seems too forced. Whenever I open a drawer I have at least to look fot a specific object, before I can grab it.

Posted by: J&S4Ever May 7th 2006, 3:33 PM

I don't think Woolsey so much as turned against Kinsey, more like he realized he was being manipulated for other reasons that those HE was there for.

Posted by: KillerMarv May 7th 2006, 3:53 PM

Well, he's done something against Kinsey, having the reasons that you said, which I agree with... that means that at that moment he turned against Kinsey... But that wasn't the point of my post...

Posted by: J&S4Ever May 7th 2006, 7:44 PM

Well, I agreed with the rest of your post that's why I didn't really comment. That and the fact that my 6month old was screaming bloody hell because he wanted out of his walker.

Posted by: IndyJan Mar 6th 2007, 10:47 PM

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