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Posted by: Arcady Mar 2nd 2004, 3:57 PM

Episode 21 - Lost City (Part One)
Air Date: (UK) March 2, 2004
Air Date: (US) March 12, 2004

The SGC suffers a shocking upheaval when the White House becomes directly involved in saving the world.
Guest starring http://www.jessicasteen.com/ as Dr. Elizabeth Weir.
(Part 1 of 2.)

http://www.sg1archive.com/s7credits.shtml#721 | http://www.sg1archive.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f;=2&t;=3357 | http://www.sg1archive.com/teasers/721.html

(This topic is for people who have seen the episode to discuss it. If you don't want to be spoiled, don't read this topic.)

Posted by: Raz Mar 2nd 2004, 4:03 PM

I thought that was an absolutely AMAZING episode. It had the right balance of everything from a bit of action to some politics and a great start to the finale episode next week!

Started off pretty funny as well with O?Neill shaving and trying to find out a crossword!! And then washing his phone!!
Then when they went to the planet there was some good action scenes , where the death glider was shot down etc?
The fact that Anubis is on his way makes me say ?Roll on next Tuesday? even though it?s the last episode, and good to know Weir is on our side and Kinsey has been shot down yet again!!

In the end credits though you saw next weeks where the Prometheus was trying to take off with Alkesh, Death Gliders and X302?s all around was absolutely IMMENSE!! The bloody woman wouldn?t shut up so we could hear it!! IDIOT!
Anyway that battle scene coming next week with Space Ships galore looks WAY better than Full Circle!!

?The Lost City part 1? = 10/10!!
Even though only saw mini clip of immense space battle ?The Lost City part 2? = 10/10!!!! Lol!!!

Posted by: Jon The UK SG-1 Fan Mar 2nd 2004, 4:06 PM

OMFG!!!!
This ep was.........wow, excitment, humour, anticipation, kinsey, Bra'tac, Anubis, The President and Dr Weir all in one
Best quote ever Bra'tac "Has Hammond of Texas fallen in battle" ROFL!!!
Kinsey "Mr Bra'tac", O'Neill "Master"
The statue on the planet and the way O'Neill downloaded the knowledge AGAIN as the death gliders were firing at them. I also thought it was so great when the whole of SG1 and Hammond turned up at O'Neill's place seperately all drinking Guinness. Teal'c leaving at the end to try and get ships and warriors to help to defend Earth was quite moving as O'Neill said "I don't know whether i'll see you again" and then they hugged like brothers, some darn fine acting guys.

Can't believe Hammond's been relieved of his command..........

Posted by: Albion Mar 2nd 2004, 4:14 PM

Now that's a Stargate episode!

Wonderful!!!

The teaser with Jack, Daniel and the crossword had me in fits - my evening was made right there. If the rest of this had been utter crap I'd have been in heaven, just from this alone.

But...there was more!! Wow.

Loved the team waiting for Jack when he came out of the elevator, the crossword bet, Jack trying it on...great stuff. The scenes at Jack's house - the sense of relaxed friendship and the banter between the team was both hilarious and wonderful to see. Oh, Jack, we have missed you. Burns is a Goa'ould! ROTFL!

We got to see the team acting together - both offworld and on Earth - hurrah!

I expected to hate Dr. Weir, but you know what? I really liked her. Surprised myself there. <g> Liked her so much in fact that if Hammond has to move on I wouldn't have minded at all if she'd taken over. It could have caused some interesting dynamics. Loved her standing up to Kinsey.

Adored the homage to The Fifth Race in the briefing room when Jack spoke Ancient for the first time.

I just...adored it, every minute. And you know what I love about it most of all? That I know that in the days and weeks to come, I'll watch it again and again and find something new to see each time, while falling over laughing at all the wonderful humour in it and celebrating the return of a certain Colonel. That these are only my initial impressions and there's so much still to explore in this episode.

And that's what I call a Stargate episode.

Albion (in a state of bliss right now....)

PS - yeah, what on earth is the point of showing a trailer at the end of an episode if you're going to show another one over the top of it. SKY are weird. You think they're Goa'ould?

Posted by: SAS Mar 2nd 2004, 4:16 PM

not bad but I want PART TWO NOW!!!!!

Posted by: stargatesweetie Mar 2nd 2004, 4:20 PM

Now that's what I call "Vintage Stargate". You had the right amount of comedy, plot and tension-back to how it used to be (including a full Jack episode). I can't believe that this was the penultimate episode of the season.

The writing is so good that you can almost feel the frustration of the team as Hammond is replaced and Kinsey gets his dirty little mits into the SGC. It looks like Dr Weir will be an adequate and fair replacement at this point, but we'll see.

On a side note, does anyone else think that Dr Weir bears an uncanny resemblence to a certain member of the SGC?

Posted by: jaffagod Mar 2nd 2004, 4:23 PM

Well. What do I say? First off, I may just have made the biggest mistake ever! I was pondering the question, "Should I just wait and watch them both at the same time?", and I had decided yes, I should wait. But, at the last second, my...imagination won and I just had to see what happened. Big mistake, I really regret that now and the reason for that is this episode was AMAZING and I want part 2 NOW!! It really was amazing!

It was a return to the good old Stargate; danger, distress, action, adventure, courage...the list goes on and on. There is nobody that likes Stargate that cannot like that episode. It had something for everybody. Character Development, politics, action, humour, and even a little bit of shippiness. And...it had Jack. Thats probably more time than he has had collectively all season. There were so many good things about this that I have forgotten most of them. The new Head of the SGC was very good, she grew on me as it progessed. The humour was also back; thanks mainly to Jack. "Atomic weight of Boron?" Answer = ten. Jack's answer = fat. Classic SG.

There really is nothing bad to say about this, it was truly that good. But there are a few questions.
When did we start having a Defcon 4 and 5? This may just be a mistake on my part but any answer would be appreciated. Also, Why did the President suddenly change his mind about the SGC?

Last thing: Did you see that little clip at the end with the Prometheus. That will be incredible. Full Circle..whats so special? Anyway this gets a definite 10/10!!! Best episode ever. Funnily enough, my favourite episode before this was "Fifth Race" which also had the Ancient Repository. Oh well. The coming week is gonna be hell! In case you can't guess, I cannot wait for the finale. Oh, and I hope the Prometheus gets blown into tiny little pieces next week!!

Posted by: Carter-Hot Mar 2nd 2004, 4:23 PM

Great episode, 9/10 from me (10/10 is so ready for next week's episode) and I too want to see Part 2. The hanging-out scene before Jack goes all ancient was pretty cool, did Jack and Carter have a private private moment of course not. Dr. Weir is certainly a nice character, shame that Hammond had to get reassigned we all know what's he going to be in charge of but I feel that Weir is not the brightest of the lot, and Kinsey you think that he would get the picture when no one wants to play his game even a civilain Dr doesn't, and all I could say is, "Kinsey, see those ships yeah we made them up, if they attack your big head, don't say we didn't tell you so". Last scene was very sad, Jack saying his goodbye to Teal'c incase he doesn't make it and Teal'c was like "oh I will be seeing you again soon", but when they hugged, you just know what Teal'c was feeling, the what if we should lose Jack. Part 2 already!

Posted by: Gary83 Mar 2nd 2004, 4:37 PM

Good basic story set up for part 2, nothing really impressive in this ep except I like the way they are handling the shift in personnel. Carter is looking very rough imho she is getting old I guess.

Part 2 will most likely be better, it will be a blast if it lives up to expectation.

Calm down people btw, this ep was nothing but a teaser, it will certainly not go down as top 10 eps (not by a long shot) but it was probably a successful part 1. So stop saying it was amazing..it wasnt.

Posted by: Albion Mar 2nd 2004, 4:41 PM

Posted by: Carter-Hot Mar 2nd 2004, 4:45 PM

Gary, It may not have the best Part 1s in your opinion (although I disagree) it still was the best teaser for a Part 2!

Posted by: Raxor Mar 2nd 2004, 4:59 PM

***1/2

Posted by: Paradox-Blue Mar 2nd 2004, 6:04 PM

What can I say?

Set up next weeks brilliantly.

How ****ing **** are Sky though! Argh they totally messed up that preview at the end Although seeing all the death gliders and everything in action against the 303 looked amaing.

Let's hope Sky Mix show both of them together at some point next week.

Posted by: JohnY Mar 2nd 2004, 6:23 PM

Need part 2 NOW!!!

AHHHHHH!! HELP!! *BANG*

Posted by: Mike Mar 2nd 2004, 6:38 PM

Well what can I say. Great set up for the Part II. The annoying Kinsey rears his ugly head and it looks like our new interim SGC commander is seeing eye to eye with SG-1. Also nice to see a moment in which the team and Hammond are kicking back and relaxing. The suspense is building and I'm curious to see if the rebel Jaffa will come to our aid.

You know the episodes like these, everybody comes to the party. Looks like season 7 is going out with a bang.

Posted by: SlavsyaRossiya Mar 2nd 2004, 8:53 PM

9/10! Great ep! Humor, tension, action....Great great!
One question though: Why is Kinsey so opposed to this? I mean come on: You'd think even he would not quite want to be blown out of the sky.
It's so strange.

Posted by: Albion Mar 2nd 2004, 10:22 PM

Posted by: SlavsyaRossiya Mar 2nd 2004, 10:24 PM

My favorite quote:
"Time is relative. Carter could explain that one to you....If we had the time"

Posted by: Corporal McKee Mar 2nd 2004, 11:33 PM

GREAT Episode. Can't wait till next week.

Fantastic character chemistry, I loved the conversation about Teal'c's deepness.

Posted by: SlavsyaRossiya Mar 3rd 2004, 12:07 AM

I hope they can continue this into the final season...Cause if they can't, I'll cry really hard

Posted by: gatefreak Mar 3rd 2004, 1:23 AM

I am so hyped from watching that episode now that I can't even go to bed! It will definetly be on my top ten list! The humorous moments were way too many to name! It had EVERYTHING! And I really like Dr. Weir (so far).

lol...Burns a Goa'uld!

I can not wait until next week!

Posted by: Vesian Mar 3rd 2004, 1:41 AM

Jack: "Oh, for crying out loud, that's Dorentous!"

(Everyone, including Brat'ac, looks at O'neil strangely)

Jack: "......what?"

Daniel: "You just said Dorentous."

Jack: "Did not."

Daniel: "Did too..."

Jack: ".....Dorentous, what is that?"

Kinsey: ".....Latin?"

Weir (staring at O'neil, yet saying the following words as if pointing out the stupidity of Kinsey) "No, it's not."


ROFL. That was TOTALLY a take-me-back to when Jack had the information the first time, so many funny lines ;p

All in all, just as I have been predicting for weeks due to the low budget's of the last few episodes, they went ALL OUT on this one, and it was impressive :-) Jack and Sam moments, Jack/Daniel sarcasm, Anubis, the team actually BEING together, *wipes a tear off his face*.

Not to mention, Wier is a total hottie :-)

Posted by: kitsune Mar 3rd 2004, 2:14 AM

Jack: you are so shallow...
Daniel: oh, please! Teal'c's like one of the deepest people I know. I mean, he is so deep. common, tell 'em how deep you are, you'll be lucky if you understand this.
Teal'c: my depth is immaterial to this conversation

Well, Jack's participation was a little disappointing. I got the impression that they were trying to make up for the jokes jack couldn't tell in the last 2 eps. There was some good stuff going on there, but it was overdone. However, this ep did make up for it. Seeing the ancient?s repository again was cool, although I can't imagine much worse a scenario.
I really hate this Kinsey thing. He's been trying to boss people around for too long, and it's getting old. He didn't even try to be subtle; he just started right off the bat with a threat.
I want to know how anyone in their right mind could get Hammond out of there. No one outside the SGC could pick up where he left off, and any idiot could see that. It will be interesting to hear the real motives behind it.
9/10

Similarities between burns and Goa?uld:
Really old, try to control all the humans they can, diabolical schemes, have the power or at least until those under them unite, extremely arrogant, above the law, have utilized devices to control the sun.
What else?

Posted by: Ares Mar 3rd 2004, 2:32 AM

Beautiful episode. I give it 4 stars.

Kinsey. I love to hate that guy. Only he would be a big enough jackass to think we we're making up a Goa'uld attack. If we're lucky, he'll die in next weeks ep., or get mamed by some wild animal. But he is a good villain, I'll give him that.

No Jack/Sam stuff. Big relief there.

I liked the scene in Jack's house; just sitting around, drinking beers, having a conversation. It makes the characters seem even more real, and I like that.

Good action sequence. Once again, the jaffa use dumb tactics and give away suprise by landing ships first instead of going through the gate. I liked the camera angles too, showing a first person view of one of the guys firing his gun at a glider. Very cool, reminded me of a video game. One question: it seemed like the guy with the stinger launcher(or whatever it was) fired like 5 times, but only hit once. WTF is up with that?

Don't really care too much for Weir, as she doesn't like the military. Plus she wanted to negotiate. Stupid.

Can't wait for the next ep. I want some cool X-302/fighter jet vs. DG action. Also want some kickass mothership battles, that'll be sweet. And we can't forget the ground campaign. You can't win a war by just the air, so hopefully that would be included.

Posted by: aka_big_wurm Mar 3rd 2004, 2:34 AM

First of all great epsoide.

But nobody is talking about what this all means to the show in the future.

For Hammon - Sounds like he getting a promotion, maybe he will be in charge of the new department they are making (he will be in charge of all off-world stuff sgc - the ships)

For SGC - Hammon's out, I think Weir is going to Atlantis so a new commander

And The big question is? - How they going to hide that invation from the world - that battle looked huge - They will have to tell the world about the Stargate and after that they can do some really fun things.

Just some thoughts

-Big Wurm-

Posted by: cjp_24 Mar 3rd 2004, 2:44 AM

Ok, Ok. The episode was one of the best we have seen for a long time. Why, Maybe because there was a lot of RDA and the actors in all good proportions.
Yes, good CGI and very good acting played by all especially by Br'tac, would u look at his face when he saw Dr Weir, he looked so dissapointed. Yay! and I get to see him in person this Saturday.

Anyway, I think in the whole of things the episode shown great changes for 2 major doorways in the Stargare Universe. 1st being the change to lead up into SG:Atlantis and the all anticipated Season 8. But lets not forget that after next weeks episode its back to boring Tuesday nights until end of the year.

Ok, lets all wait for next weeks episode. I bet that also will end in "TO BE CONTINUED ...."

Posted by: SierraGulf1Niner Mar 3rd 2004, 3:17 AM

Okay, I liked the eppy.

Liked the Sam/Jack moments. Of course, Especially when she laughs as she's explaining how her car drove her to his house. Just the fact that they are awkward with each other because they know they both are attracted to one another. Ahh, you gotta love 'em.

Also, liked that Daniel is drunk, just because it was hilarious.

Now, did anybody notice the picture on the mantle? When Carter makes reference to it, it is a picture of Jack, his wife, and Charlie, but then later when Hammond comes, as Jack is getting the beer they do a half closeup shot of it, and it's actually SG-1. Interesting yes? Apparently, someone from the crew must have changed the photo.

Just a little thing I noticed.

Overall, I'd say it was a good set up to get into part 2, and I can't wait.

BTW, I'm sad to see that Jessica Steen isn't going to be playing Weir for Atlantis.

Posted by: Gary83 Mar 3rd 2004, 4:18 AM

thanks for the spoiler

Posted by: Cirus Mar 3rd 2004, 6:21 AM

As yesterday was my 4th day with a temperature of around 102 I may have seen somethings you may not such as those nasty pink elephants that keep popping up everynow and again (there was one chassing sg-1 away from the statue thing) But I did enjoy the whole ep very much but didn't notice the picture switch so will have to go back and watch it for a 2nd time. I am trying to use my flu to get my dad to get a copy of the next ep from his friends at sky but as he wont see them till sunday it's really not worth it (all that effort for nothing ) anyhow must go feel like passing out will write a more coherent and correctly spelt comment later

Posted by: SG1nut Mar 3rd 2004, 6:47 AM

Whoo-hoo- bring on Part 2!

The Simpsons and Jack O'Neill- you know you love it...

ps- Hope you feel better Cirus.

Posted by: Corporal McKee Mar 3rd 2004, 7:06 AM

I got the impression that Bra'tac may've been a little sexist towards Dr. Wier. It might not be common for females to be such important leaders where he lives.

Thats the feeling I got when Bra'tac looked at the doctor for the first time. He was kinda "wtf a woman?".

Posted by: ramuund Mar 3rd 2004, 7:39 AM

Well.....*Gets down on knees and starts to believe the lord exists as he has answered my prayers*

Thank you god for bringing the old Stargate and Rda/Jack back, i was about to send out a search party for both of them, and thankyou for bringing a fantastic allround storyline to us after a little...er...baron patch.


Favourite parts of the episode:

I loved the bit at the beginning, where Jack washes his phone, both my dad and myself had a little chuckle at that one!.

I also liked the bit, where Daniel is helping jack with the crossword, and Daniel goes "Strange" and Jack puts the phone down and you can hear Daniel saying "..no, thats the answer!"

ahhh, yes, you can not forget the "Fat" thing in the crosswrod bit and the fact that the Col. was half an hour late because he was trying to finish it LMAO!

I actually, although i didn't want to because of my loyalty to Hammond, really grew to like Dr Wier. You get to see alittle about her when, trying to catch a cab, she spoke another language with the gentlemen- it was subtle enough but also let you in on that she was a intelligent women.

I thought, contridicting was someone else said, that Amanda/Sam looked really good in this episode and the the on running car joke that Daniel continued on with, and Jack nudging Sam, was hilarious!

Not so favourite parts of the show

.....as the show is pretty damm good in my eyes, for the most part, i will have to do abit of "nit picking, if you will, about the episode to find something wrong with it.

About that "Defcon" thing, or what it is, the lower the number-the bigger emergancy right? So why are they on 3? Would that. most likely, with an alien on the grounds be the thing to do?

Jack's Humour..some of this was good but I did feel that it was flat, at times, and slightly crammed in there, as has been said, to make up for lack there of over past few episodes. However do not make out, or anything like it, that i think it was a bad performance, on the contrary, i thought it was the best of jack that you will get this season.

Over all :

This episode will be one of my favourites no matter what "type " of episode it is, one -off, teaser, 1st parter, Arc'er, it was a bloody good episode all around. And gets the thumbs up from me!

Posted by: GuNdj Mar 3rd 2004, 8:11 AM

OMG I loved it!
Best episode in a long time.
Up there with the likes of The Fifth Race, one of my favourite episodes.

Waiting for Part 2 is going to make me go crazy in da coconut!

Kinsey is such an ass... I hope he gets whats coming to him next week. Perhaps transported up to Anubis's ship where he can try and "negotiate" with him. Anubis can put him in his place with one of those torture sticks or something. I would seriously be sad if they kill off Kinsey though, I HATE that character, so he is the perfect villain!

Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 3rd 2004, 8:22 AM

Im really pissed off now cos i missed it last night, so im going to have to wait till Friday night. After reading what everyone else has written it sounds like a brilliant ep.

Posted by: Raxor Mar 3rd 2004, 8:42 AM

i really wanted thor to be in it with his ships kickin ass!

Posted by: Albion Mar 3rd 2004, 8:43 AM

Posted by: three fries shortofa happymeal Mar 3rd 2004, 9:55 AM

i thought this was an absolutely brilll episode!!!
i loved everyting about it
especialy the fire fight scene at the start with the ships etc.

i loved the way that carter said she was out driving and suddenly found herself at o'neill's house, i thought it was very sweet, then too top it off daniel said exactly the same thing!!

this ep also made me even more angry towards kinsey, i hate him even more now.

the Dr seems quite nice, but she'll never ever ever be able to replace hammond, he'll always be the best for the job, i like the way she stood up to kinsey wahay!!

overall 10/10

hope the asgard can help jack

Posted by: ThreeFriesShortOfAHappyMealWacko Mar 3rd 2004, 10:50 AM

This episode wasn't as exciting as I expected.

My favorite scene: SG-1 (Carter, Daniel, and Teal'c) waiting for Jack at the elevator, and the answer of the atomic weight question - fat.

Posted by: Deliximus Mar 3rd 2004, 11:05 AM

man, suprnova is down! i can't d/l the episode! anyone got any bittorrent links??

Posted by: jaffagod Mar 3rd 2004, 11:46 AM

Did anyone notice what Weir said after O'Neill spoke in Ancient and Daniel pointed it out. After treating Kinsey like the ass(clown) he is, she said "yeah, I got that" when Daniel explained what it was that Jack had said. Is it possible that she understands Ancient in part, and may be able to help with the translation?

Posted by: The Doctor Mar 3rd 2004, 1:08 PM

It was too slow for me. Good set up, but it wasted an episode.

The two good bits were the crossword and the gathering- "I was diving, in my car, and..."

"I did it again"

Saw the mini-clip. Cant wait for next week. We finally see Promethious in action (Grace excluded for being dull).

Posted by: Nessy_Monster Mar 3rd 2004, 1:14 PM

Deliximus try www.suprnova.tk it takes you to the same site but is still working for some reason

Posted by: Major Sam Carter O'Neill Mar 3rd 2004, 1:53 PM

Stargate at it's best that's the only way to describe this episode as!!
It had everyting i have ever wanted ( except for part 2), i was thinking it may not live up to the spoilers expectations but for me it went beyond these!!
The Character development was crucial and finally SG1 were a team not a couple of people randomly walking around an alien planet!! Now i have loved series 7, but this just made it my second fave series ( 4 being the 1st)!!!

Posted by: Varun Mar 3rd 2004, 2:01 PM

http://213.158.119.9/suprnova//list_news.html - Thats the Suprnova site. Apparently they had some porblem and they got that. Well whatever...

Anyway, I was shivering with excitement all throughout the episode.

U had to love the way they started the episode and ended it. I must say this "Stargate SG1 is like a bottle of wine. It only keeps getting better with age".

By far, this episode was an absolutely brilliant cliffhanger that I have ever seen. I mean, RDA was back, Amendola was back after his absence. His question of whether Hammond had fallen in battle made me LMAO.

And Judge got quite some lines in and his last line of "It is u who know something I dont" that made me LMAO again. The beer scene was quite hillarious too. Shanks was not gonna get anymore beer - ROFLMAO.


To be serious, I hate the government. I hate it in SG1 and I hate it in real life too. So many secret agendas that the truth becomes relative. Sure Cox is a great actor that potrays it so well but we all love to hate him (as someone said before in this thread)

And the scene with the Prometheus and the dog fight scene was amazing. Dont know if ppl noticed but the X302's were all over the place chasing the Alkesh's and death gliders. WOHOO. Bring on 7x22 next week.




Gotta give it a 9/10. (I'm reserving the 10 for 7x22)

Posted by: invisible painting Mar 3rd 2004, 2:21 PM

Well it was a high quality episode, as i expected it to be. Obviously the best parts of this 2 parter will come next week, it was written as one long film and generally in films or scripts the most action and best parts from it comes in the second half of it, i will give it 9/10, it was a high quality ep but amazing isnt the right word to describe it, it was a very good episode but amazings thbe wrong word.

And also i just saw a full length advert on sky one and it makes it look a lot better then that short clip did after part one, it showed more and made it look really good. Roll on next week...

Posted by: ChewManFuu Mar 3rd 2004, 2:43 PM

Great Ep. Need to watch it again at home. Sitting here at work just doesn't cut it. I can' t laugh out loud and I didn't hear everything. So I'll watch it again.

Something has been bugging me about Kinsey. He is acting quite Gao'uldish in these last two eps. He keeps saying things like , "You don't want to cross me" and shit like that. it reminds me of the ep were they tunneled to the center of the planet and that chick was a snake head and sam couldn't feal her. I think that Kinsey is like that. Or maybe he is something else. But he is a real DickHead!!! I hate him. I wish Master Braeta'c would have Zat him in the office.

Sorry for the rant.

One good saying from this ep from Jack
"Guiness, its a great replacement for food."

Chew

Posted by: Mighty Thor Mar 3rd 2004, 3:23 PM

Wohoo.Best ep in series. I just hope Asgard and other goa'uld arive in part 2
Goa'uld vs Anubis Tau'ri and Asgard
Tau'ri and asgard vs Anubis

That statue was weird though

Posted by: SG1nut Mar 3rd 2004, 4:15 PM

Posted by: CKatz Mar 3rd 2004, 4:25 PM

Posted by: JohnY Mar 3rd 2004, 5:37 PM

Couple things I'd like to mention that haven't been mentioned yet.

1 - I like how they told us what happen to the old archive device; the power source of the device was depleted when O'neill used it. I was wondering for a long time why they wouldn't attempt to stick another person in the archive and try to get out more information. Possibly Jonas since he was a quick study, and he might have been able to absorb the information and utilize it without having the information overtake him.

2 - I like how they showed Daniel's bravery again when he almost jumped into the archive device, and Jack being the wise and knowing that only Daniel can translate. We all know O'neill would be brave enough to do it but showing that Daniel was willing to do it brings back some of the "merdian" memories.

3 - When Carter went over to O'neill's cabin, he offers her beer then he says "Want a glass? I could wash one." That is CLASSIC right there, gotta love it.

Posted by: Deathcrow Mar 3rd 2004, 6:10 PM

Hi guys,
I am reading your comments and this whole forum since a long time , but now i want to say somethign to this great episode. Because i can't really understand how some people can call this episode only a Teaser, it is so much more than that. There were more story-twists than in any other episode and we get some movement into the Stargate Project.
Another thing that you did not mention here is the future of Hammond, because if i remember correctly the president sayd, that he needs Hammond, because of his expertiese. So we can be relieved that there will be someone watching over the SGC who hast enough experience.
The president is really kewl here, because he does the right thing, he does what Kinsey wants him to do - what is absolutely neccessary, because as he says, the Stargate can't stay in the hands of the military - but he choses a person like dr. wier, where he knows that she will be acting against the Kinsey! And i dont think that she is stupid: she just does not have any experience with the Go'auld and because of that she of course wants to negotiate, this is absolutely reasonable.
The only thing I fear is the power of Kinsey, because if he does not get what he wants he may try to remove Dr. Wier by force and assasinate the president.
I cant stop writing , there are many more things why the next episode will be so important, because most of these things may be solved: Kinsey, Hammond, Dr.Wier, Teal'c, Jack, The lost city, etc. - i have not read any spoilers so i have no idea what will happen.
Astonishing episode, 9 and a half points, 9 would be too less, but i too want to keep the 10/10 for Part 2, i hope there will be not too much action in it, because the plot is much mroe important now.
Deathcrow

Posted by: invisible painting Mar 3rd 2004, 6:17 PM

Oh come on everyone wants some action and there very likely is going to be a lot too, which will be good as we havent seen any decent action in a long time. It will cover a lot of things but theres bound to be action in it and the adverts on sky do also point to this being the case.

Oh and welcome to the forums.

Posted by: Albion Mar 3rd 2004, 8:44 PM

Posted by: PAL Mar 3rd 2004, 10:35 PM

Excellent episode! I liked the humour, and I also like Dr. Weir. She's a hotty and a smart one at that. I must admit that she does look similar to Sam, as someone mentioned before. Its sad to see that they are swapping actresses for Dr. Weir. I really, REALLY hate it when shows swap actors/actresses for the same character. I'd rather be introduced to a new character, then have some imposter take on the role of an existing one.

Did anyone else think that the special effects in the beginning looked sharper, and better than usual? Especially when the Alkesh was bombing.

Can't wait till next week.

Posted by: louspiel Mar 4th 2004, 12:52 AM

Was that Herak I noticed getting executed by Anubis' Kull Warriors (Super Soldiers)?

Posted by: Kromando33 Mar 4th 2004, 12:53 AM

this was without a doubt the best sg1 epsiode ever, it had everything kinsay on a power trip, anubis & his evilness, oneil being heroic. The final showdown with anubis will be a real climax.....

Posted by: Cirus Mar 4th 2004, 6:12 AM

louspiel no it wasn't herak being killed it was someone else

Posted by: PinkPeril Mar 4th 2004, 6:44 AM

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Posted by: anastasia Mar 4th 2004, 9:49 AM

After nearly two years we have finally got back to basics. A classic episode that i'm sure you'll all agree is definatley one of Stargate's Finest moments. i suppose we'll have to make the most it while we can. Roll on September thats all i can say, next stop season 8. Does anyone think there should be a season 9?

Posted by: PinkPeril Mar 4th 2004, 12:49 PM

Posted by: ThreeFriesShortOfAHappyMealWacko Mar 4th 2004, 1:24 PM

Can you guess waht my favorite line of the episode was?

Give up, here it is.

Posted by: SAS Mar 4th 2004, 1:25 PM

ramuund i'm not american but from what I know about the US Military Defcon states are as Follows DefCom 3 is all's ok usual trouble keep an eye on it, I believe Sensative Instalations are kept at DefCon 3 constantly, Defcon 2 is War is Iniment, Weapons are tight but live shots are loaded, Defcon One is War.
I assume Defcon 4 and 5 are similar to 3.

hope this helps

Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 4th 2004, 3:05 PM

This is what the DEFCONS are:

DEFCON 5 Normal peacetime readiness
DEFCON 4 Normal, increased intelligence and strengthened security measures
DEFCON 3 Increase in force readiness above normal readiness
DEFCON 2 Further Increase in force readiness, but less than maximum readiness
DEFCON 1 Maximum force readiness.

I found them at the following link if anyone is interested.http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/defcon.htm

Posted by: mithwriter Mar 4th 2004, 3:27 PM

Finally got to see it last night, and have watched it once more since then. My impressions are the following:

1. Nice to see the 'real' Jack and 'real' Daniel back in to their old selves, both in true character and in their relationship to each other. Thank you Wright and Cooper!

2. Excellent use of plot and pacing. From the very first scene there's an underlying feeling that the 'clock is ticking' for everyone involved. Next time you watch the ep note the following.
- Jack mentions he'll be at the SGC in 30 minutes, then shows up late.
- Weir being late to get to the White House.
- The President gives Weir a 7 minute interview for the job.
- SG1 searching the ruins and Jack mentioning they could have Goa'uld coming any time.
- They run out of time and options at the depository.
- Bra'tac's announcement of an attack fleet in 3 days
- Jack knowing he has 3 days to get his affairs in order.

3. Underlying theme number two: The aquisition of knowledge.
- Jack trying to get Daniel's help in crossword puzzle.
- Weir trying to play catch-up with the reports on the SGC and her new job.
- The depository which contains all the answers they need, but will take time to access.
- Jack's reluctance for this mission, then has no option but to sacrifice himself to achive their goals.
- Anubis's failure to get the knowledge he wanted.
- Jack's reminder to Carter that her smarts were too valuable to sacrifice to the Anicents knowledge.
- The dialogue between Jack and Teal'c.
Jack: You know something I don't?
Teal'c: I believe it is you that know something I do not.

4. Finally, some little things I noted on the side that I thought were funny or worth noting.
- Jack tossing his used beer bottle caps all over the house. Liked that flip he did with his fingers. Cool.
- Weir struck me as being a little too young and way over her head. Didn't seem able to cope with the job until she told Kinsey to get out of her office.
- Loved the scene between Weir and Daniel overlooking the gate.
- Anyone else notice that when the SS's executed the Jaffa that they fired from one arm, stopped, then fired from the other? Does this mean each arm weapon only has a limited number of shots? Or did they just not feel like shooting one arm in a sweeping motion to cut them all down? Hmm...
- Teal'c leaving in his full Jaffa uniform. In the beginning of Stargate's first season, that armor was the symbol of the enemy and all Jaffa warriors. Now it is one that symbolizes uniting all Jaffa against the Goa'uld and getting their freedom.
- The battle scenes were well executed. All the effects were fantastic.

okay, that's all I can think of right now...not that I expect anyone to actually read the whole thing...but hey, its my nickel, so there ya go.

edit: almost forgot to mention the funniest shot in the episode....Director Martin Wood's cameo in the elevator w/RDA. I was cracking up.

Posted by: Lord Yu Mar 4th 2004, 3:57 PM

Excellent ep 9.9/10.

Lots of homour, good action and Jack playing a significant part, what more could you ask?

Having seen the trailer at the end of the ep and the other one i can't believe that they didn't air them back-to-back, and sorta wish i'd waited till friday.

Poor Jack getting the anchients knowledge again (well it had to be him, Carter is too smart, Daniel is neede to translate and Teal'c is too important as an ally)

Roll on Tuesday.

Posted by: Majikthize Mar 4th 2004, 5:10 PM

A really cool episode. Thanks to mithwroter for pointing out the whole time and knoweldge connection. I was thinking something along the same lines myself.
Overall I thought this was a great episode with lots of everything that makes Stargate what it actually is. Good team work, humour, real danger, good interaction, a bit of action and great effects.

I think you can really tell this was a slightly dumbed down movie script though. This isn't a criticism but it did feel a whole lot grander and, to an extent, slower in it's set up which is the kind of thing you get when you've got more time to tell the tale. Again, not a criticism, just an observation, a lot of time was spent on establishing Weir. This would make sense if she's going to become a regular but seems a bit wasted if she's just in it for a week or two so I'm guessing she'll stick around a while (I'm not spoiled yet for S8 or Atlantis so have no idea).
Someone mentioned a youthfulness about her and a Sam lookalikeness, which I also noticed. I also noticed the way they went to great lengths to ensure that all our regular team found her likeable.

I loved the whole ease at which they interacted as a team, the whole team bonding thing and the private little Sam and Jack moment there. Yeah it was shippy if you project it that way but subtle enough not to piss off the non shippers. Just the way I like my ship.

Kinsey was so nasty I hated him. I don't think I've ever been driven to feel such hatred for a TV character ever before. Kudos to the writers and to Ronny Cox for pulling it off so convincingly. Incidently, I really hope he turns out to be just a normal evil human. I'd find the fact that he's just like you or me and yet still the most insidiously evil threat to the SGC much scarier than if he turned out to be possesed by something.

Only complaint was that I felt the "to be continued" cut wasn't in quite the right place. it would have had much greater dramatic tension if they'd cut it as Anubis' forces reach earth. Somehow Teal'c traipsing off to Chuluk didn't quite leave me gasping in anticipation. Actually, I've always felt that Stargate has a big problem with pacing two parters just right like this. They get it just slightly wrong more often than right, hence why their two parters always seem to flow better as one continious piece. Again though, if this was an original movie script it probably would have played out perfectly.

Posted by: CrazyFeeny Mar 4th 2004, 5:10 PM

I absolutely loved this episode!! In my opinion, probably the best of the season and a huge step up from the disappointments the last couple of episodes were!!

Favourite quote probably has to be the atomic weight of Boron= 10. Jacks answer- fat!! And the scene in Jacks cabin has to be a classic! I was loving every bit of it!

I'm really looking forward to Tuesday now..it's just bound to be spectacular.

Posted by: JohnY Mar 4th 2004, 5:54 PM

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Posted by: shniken Mar 5th 2004, 12:49 AM

Hey, just finished downloading it (btw how is that looked upon here, I'm in Australia and we're stuck way back at teh start of season 6 and they give it no respect, when its on they don't tell neone it is so i normally miss the first few eps and they keep putting things on instead of it ) it is an awesome episode.
Love the quote from Jack: "Three days from now, thats a Thursday, thursday is no good for us" ROFL . Can't wait till next thursday arvo (wen i am able to get the next one)

Posted by: Kromando33 Mar 5th 2004, 3:52 AM

Posted by: DR Larry Murphy Mar 5th 2004, 10:39 AM

this was a very good but annoying episode I want general Hammond back NOW!!!!

Posted by: Jack_O'Neill Mar 5th 2004, 2:34 PM

I just thought that i'd say, THIS EPISODE kicked ass, i loved it and it's definately in my top 5 favourite episodes ever!

1) Upgrades
2) Window Of Opportunity
3) Heroes Part 1
4) Loct City Part 1
5) Heroes Part 2

But that is subject to change

Also, i just thought i'd share my thoery with everybody, i think that the reason that Kinzey sucks so much is because he has a Goul'd inside of him from somewhere and he wants Anubis to come so that he will reward him.

Posted by: durhamlass Mar 5th 2004, 4:31 PM

Liked this episode a lot, just watched it on sky mix.

SG1 back together properly - haven't seen them like this for a while, probably not since before Jonas.
President having a new role for Hammond - head of the new government dept perhaps?
Like the one liners, too many to list , though I think most of them have been quoted already!
Did anyone else notice the looks that O'Neill and Dr Weir were giving each other at that meeting? Carter looked a bit put out too........ or am I just seeing things that don't exist?




Kinsey. Total asshole. Shoot him now. Nuff said.

Posted by: MathewS Mar 5th 2004, 4:54 PM

Great episode i say.

Did any one notice that when Weir and Daniel where overlooking the gate, he says some along the lines of "i remember coming here and looking at the gate when we were trying to get it to work"

Yet in the film Daniel didnt see the gate till he figured out what the seventh symbol was!!!

Posted by: Kromando33 Mar 5th 2004, 6:07 PM

i didn't really like dr. weir she reminded me of one pf those environmental protection fanatics for some reason, & yes kinsay should be shot, indeed.

Posted by: jettoblack Mar 6th 2004, 1:02 AM

Anyone else notice this goof?

When Weir and Daniel are looking out the briefing room window at the stargate, Daniel says (something like) "I remember standing here looking at it for hours when I was first trying to make it work."

Boo!

In the movie, Daniel never even saw the actual stargate until AFTER he found the 7th symbol on the coverstone, and then was only shown it as they dialed it for the first time. He certainly hadn't been staring at the real stargate for hours... he had been studying the coverstone.

Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 6th 2004, 5:45 AM

I watched it at last on Sky Mix last night. Has to be said, i wasnt very impressed with it. The scenes at the beginning were funny as hell (Jack washing the phone - ace). But Sky's description of the show said that Bra'tac would find the Lost City. It seems that part 2 will have a lot of content to get into about 42 mins worth of show. At the moment im not looking forward to season 8 if it is going to carry on like this.

Posted by: Albion Mar 6th 2004, 8:06 AM

Posted by: eliminator Mar 6th 2004, 8:56 AM

Ah that was brilliant, thought Dr Weir has settled in well, and as already begun to hate "VICE President" kinsey as much as the rest of the crew. Also when jack had everyone drop by and jack thought that Hammond was his pizza boy: "well your not my usual delivery boy", that was funny.
Ah there wasn't a dull momet in this part of the episode. Only 3 days left til the second.

Posted by: MathewS Mar 6th 2004, 9:24 AM

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Posted by: glom Mar 6th 2004, 12:03 PM

Good to get O'Neill interactions back. It's good to have Brad Wright back as well. The tribute to 'The Fifth Race' was good. I liked Weir and the political machinations were good. This episode was excellent as a first part, but I don't think it could be truly great unless the conclusion is good.

I have to agree with Albion about Anubis. He's more scary by reputation than in person. They may have gone a bit too far with the cliched behaviour on this one. Also, there's the issue of him having no face. In 'The Devil You Know', Sokar stared down his nose at Apophis with wide eyes and he looked quite creepy. There's something to be said for acting by facial expression. But with Anubis, you can't do that. All you get is a cloaked puddle. I mention Sokar of course to show that David Palffy can be quite devilish. Anubis was at his most terrifying when Bastet had a look of extreme terror on her face when Osiris told the system lords about Anubis in 'Last Stand'.

Posted by: mithwriter Mar 6th 2004, 1:25 PM

Posted by: invisible painting Mar 6th 2004, 1:44 PM

Not having a face doesnt mean that you are not scary or seem dangerous, it means that there is more mystery about you. I mean the replicators were a great enemy (before they went human) they dont have any expressions at all and they have a serious threat vibe about them. Anubis being all mask-face just makes him more mysterious which is what they were trying to do (examples of this is like in between two fires when they said he was there but wouldnt reaveal anything more)
Anubis has, i think, purposefully not been shown much before season 7, but they are not making him scary enough. They should make him as scary as possible and a type of person that strikes fear into the audience when they see him, but they havent really done this, probably because theyve made him too typically evil and the same as all the other goulds. And they said when we first heard of him that the things he did were SO bad that the goulds attacked him. But we havent seen any evidence of his disgraceful attrosities yet appart from him wanting to destroy abydos and go against daniel, they should have shown this more, but they didnt.

Posted by: eliminator Mar 6th 2004, 2:39 PM

Can you imagine Burns as a Gou'ld?

and is Teal'c "So Deep that you couldn't understand him"?

Posted by: glom Mar 6th 2004, 2:41 PM

Okay, you have a good point with Darth Vader. I guess the key is the overcliched behaviour then. Cliched behaviour is what we expect from the badass system lords, but if you take it too far, the character can look goofy.

"Now I will destroy Abydos."

He's a little to blatant. They need to make his actions a little more subtle. I did think he was okay in 'Revelations', but that was just a cameo. His first big appearance was 'Full Circle' where he was overdone. He wasn't too bad in 'Homecoming' though.

Posted by: glom Mar 6th 2004, 6:05 PM

I think I've realised what it is. Anubis always sounds like he's constipated. David Palffy needs to relax his bowels.

Someone who's constipated isn't scary.

Posted by: shniken Mar 7th 2004, 12:43 AM

GuNdj: thanks for that site man, ive just been using Kazaa
only 3 sleeps now

Posted by: shniken Mar 7th 2004, 5:38 AM

does any one else think that part 2 maybe where the world finds out about it???
seams that with sooo many ships going up and lots of fighting they won't be able to keep it a secret

Posted by: Albion Mar 7th 2004, 8:38 AM

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Posted by: Kromando33 Mar 7th 2004, 6:46 PM

Posted by: JohnY Mar 7th 2004, 7:29 PM

AHHH!!! less then 48 hours till part 2!!!

Posted by: Chico Mar 8th 2004, 9:29 AM

will somebody PLEASE SHOOT Kinsey......????????

I loved the humor in this ep.. altough there were some serious bits in it... it had a good balance of elements..

but can somebody please explain the "burns is a Goa'uld" joke to me.. I didn't get that one

pz

Posted by: Albion Mar 8th 2004, 11:11 AM

Jack was referring to the Monty Burns character from his favourite TV show - The Simpsons. Burns is the owner of the local nuclear power plant, pretty creepy, and fond of making evil plans. He also has the habit of tossing his employees through trapdoors in his office and his favourite cry at home when callers come to his door is, "Release the hounds!".

Of course he also goes to sleep at night with a teddy bear...which is where the analogy falls down, I think.

Albion (who just had an image of Apophis with teddy bear pop into her head and fell over laughing...)

Posted by: S.K Mar 8th 2004, 12:21 PM

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Posted by: sidewinder Mar 8th 2004, 7:14 PM

Loved the episode, as everyone else in their right mind should. No point rehashing it.
Another Mongomery Burns line...when Jack saw Teal'c holding the box..
"are those doughnuts?"
"indeed"
"eexcellent"
That excellent line is classic Monty Burns. Surprised no one picked up on it. By the way, who did Jack say he was going to give his collection to? I heard it, but didn't recognize the name.

Oh well. What I am extremely happy about is the apparent retention of Gen. Hammond. I really like what he brings to the show.

Posted by: JohnY Mar 8th 2004, 8:34 PM

Posted by: SupremeCommanderThor Mar 8th 2004, 10:36 PM

Siler is also the name of the character that is the technical manager at the SGC. Remember back in the episode "death knell" where the second Alpha Site is destroyed? Hammond has Siler prepare the UAV to search for Sam. I think that's who Jack meant when he was talking about the VHS collection.

As for me... I struggled with this episode. Good parts. Bad parts. Kinsey is so close to the top of the totem pole now that he's obviously starting to go a little crazy. He isn't even close to rational or attempting to keep up appearances of civility. All he cares about is power, control over the stargate. But he's getting to damned annoying that I can hardly watch when he's on camera. I hope they kill him off before the end of the next episode.

And as much as everyone likes this new President for standing up to Kinsey, I still think he's an a$$hat. Sure he has other plans for Gen Hammond, but the method they chose for making the switch was plain ridiculous. You do not take a civilian who knows nothing about a top secret program and inside of two days have them running the show with little to no insight into the current operations of the program. She should have been phased in and besides the fact that they'd do it that way in the "real world," it only goes to show that this President is letting politics make his decisions instead of being a leader and doing what's best. He may not be a puppet of the NID and Kinsey, but he's still letting them pull some strings.

Besides the "meat" of the plotline, I thought the personal interactions were magnificent. SG-1 hanging out at Jack's house was quite possibly the best interpersonal scene of the entire series and the writing just seemed dead on. Jack did what he had to do, without hesitation, when he knew it needed to happen... and with complete disregard for his own well-being. It was a perfectly written Jack moment. Daniel confronting Dr Weir in the observation room was great too, because he was like her 8 years ago but has grown to understand the reality of the Goa'uld and their threat.

... but seriously, I can't like Dr. Weir... I know I should give the character a chance, but the idea of a civilian running the program is stupid, considering the threat and she clearly isn't prepared for the job in front of her. "What about negotiating?" ... I mean, comon... I know she's NEW, but she read the mission reports. She cares more about her agenda of de-militarization and peace than she does anything else. I mean, seriously... for all intents and purposes we're AT WAR with the Goa'uld, and they're putting a civilian in charge? We should kick the writers in the teeth for this one.


so this is mean... ... really glad that she's moving over to Atlantis and won't be sticking around to screw up the WAR that will probably be going on during season 8.

Posted by: Chico Mar 9th 2004, 4:38 AM

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Posted by: cjp_24 Mar 9th 2004, 6:49 AM

I met Tony Amendola at the weekend, he told me that we are in for a treat with tonights episode of The Lost City.

I can't wait

Posted by: Corporal McKee Mar 9th 2004, 6:59 AM

I think putting Dr. Wier in charge is a good twist in the plot. Going to be interesting to see what she does today in Part 2!

I just realized today...is Tuesday.

Posted by: Bonzai Mar 9th 2004, 10:06 AM

Part 2 Should be where is action .....Can't wait

Posted by: CaSe SeNsItIvE Mar 9th 2004, 10:28 AM

Posted by: Cirus Mar 9th 2004, 11:25 AM

At least you get to see i live (so to speak) I won't get to watch it till nineish as I have to tape it and watch it later due to haveing a huge family but upside is i do get to use the projector in the den so it's going to be very loud and i don't care if i wake up the younger brothers who will be in bed by then this stargate ep needs to have it loud and big screened

Posted by: Albion Mar 9th 2004, 12:25 PM

Posted by: invisible painting Mar 9th 2004, 12:46 PM

Only just over two hours to go!!!! I reserved the tv at 10 this morning so i will get it straight away and i probably will put it loud volume, i usually do. I cant wait now!!!

Posted by: sidewinder Mar 9th 2004, 4:25 PM

Posted by: seti_neroon Mar 9th 2004, 4:30 PM

Hi Thought this one was good? Just seen the last one - Oh my word!!. The season thus far with the exception of this episode and the last one has been so so. There was an old TNG theory that budget was saved up for a good eposiode. Well this may well have applied to SG1 season 7. A lot of the middle shows were bordering on very poor but man was it made up for.

Posted by: invisible painting Mar 9th 2004, 4:39 PM

Part 2 lived up to hype and theyre not opening the viewer discussion for it. I wont say anything about it though, part one was good though and i feel that it was important (and great) for the whole story.

There 586 members on this site now!!!! That beat the old record by 200 people or so!!!!

I want to see this episode again.

Posted by: James Mar 9th 2004, 5:00 PM

Did anyone else notice Dr. Weir using her hands free mobile in the conference room, right before talking to daniel. Im sure u dont get very good signal under a mountain. Can anyone shed some light on this?

Posted by: invisible painting Mar 9th 2004, 5:16 PM

Maybe it was a walkman?? I thought that weir wasnt in this enough or was that just me??

Posted by: James Mar 9th 2004, 5:53 PM

Nope, definatly a hands free kit, and shes talking into it. Im not so sure about her, dont quite get what there trying to achieve with her charicter. Shes only in it briefly, and it seems to clutter the episodes (seen both parts now). The episodes are great, but they have too much in them, they need to be longer to fit it all in properly, it seemed to jump around too much.

Posted by: Majikthize Mar 9th 2004, 6:33 PM

Posted by: James Mar 10th 2004, 3:22 AM

Thats american cellphones for ya! I can see y there introducing here, for the atlantis spinoff, but i think it took up too much space in the episodes, they should have waited til next season.

Posted by: KaptainKeg Mar 12th 2004, 10:43 PM

I JUST saw part 1, and it made me sad to think this might be the end of sg1 as a series. I hope this Atlantis holds up to sg1 or ima gonna be pissed. I always knew they would spin it off though. They gave it away in season 5 when they had the training session inside command. And they had the" 4'11" fighting machiene " of a girl on for the second time, but later on in the series to Lt. died. Just some of my thoughts.

Posted by: cifrancgx Mar 13th 2004, 3:22 AM

Posted by: val Mar 13th 2004, 12:35 PM

I have never hated Kinsey more than last night. I'm sure most would agree.

Overall, I think that was a great ep and I can't wait for part 2.

And to KaptainKeg, don't worry, Stargate is far from over. Season 8 and the spinoff Alantis are both coming. And speaking of Season 8, isn't it amazing that they can still keep this show great after so much time. A lot of other shows have not been able to come even close to mantaining the quality Stargate has.

Posted by: That Chevron Guy Mar 13th 2004, 4:47 PM

Kinsey is such a *insert a really harsh word here*. I'm glad to hear that he gets what he deserves next episode.

As for the rest of the episode was fairly good, tho the Jaffa piloting those Al'kesh and Death Gliders really need to go back to the Academy.

And i loved to see the thing between Jack and Jackson again:

J: What?
D: You just said...
J: No i didnt
D: Yes, you did
J: ... Whats that?

Posted by: mithwriter Mar 13th 2004, 7:12 PM

Posted by: J'Oneill2u Mar 13th 2004, 11:51 PM

Posted by: glom Mar 14th 2004, 12:38 PM

It's pretty self-explanatory that she was speaking over a base supported network.

Posted by: DoctorMajorSam Mar 14th 2004, 2:21 PM

Ok i have to say that i loved the part where Daniel was drunk! It was sooooo funny to see mister "smarty-in control man" drunk. I found it to be quiet amusing. of course I also enjoyed the shippy moments of this episode as well. I am also gald that all of SG-1 was together. It seems that that happens less and less these days.

Jak

Posted by: Souske Sagara Mar 15th 2004, 4:09 AM

Posted by: J'Oneill2u Mar 16th 2004, 12:49 AM

A few comments here. Placing a negotiator-with an animus towards funding the military-in charge of a military organization is a sure fire way of gutting that organization. Regardless of what the Prez told Hammond, I think he has his own agenda, and I don't think it is favorable towards the SCG.

Loved the scenes at Jack's house because we saw "the whole team" rather than the bits and pieces of late.

Jack's reaction to Carter asking if he still talked to his ex-wife was rather odd. In "Cold Lazaraus," Jack & his ex seemed to find some sort of resolution to their relationship. Now, after seven years, I would have expected him to say "not really" or some smart a-- remark rather than cutting Carter off. Plus, an odd placement (practically when one came in the door) of a picture of "life when things were good" for Jack. (His son's picture I understand - but with his ex-wife in it?)

I got the impression that although it might not be unusual for Carter to call Jack at night when she couldn't sleep, it was highly unusual for her to drop by alone at his house. Having said that, she certainly jumped into the role of hostess and brought Teal'c a drink. (Wonder who washed that glass?)

Finally, the way Daniel was looking around the corner when he asked "Are we interrupting anything?" made it appear that he believed he was. Teal'c certainly was hanging back discretely. (My shipper's heart thought Jack sounded disappointed and Sam answered a little too quickly when they both told Daniel "no.")

Sorry for the essay.

Posted by: Borg Duck Mar 16th 2004, 12:59 AM

I tried twice to record this one & failed never ye mind, I liked Anubis & his super Jaffa they reminded me of the Cylons, look forward to seeing pt2

Posted by: dorien Mar 16th 2004, 10:42 AM

Wow! I don't recall the last time I enjoyed an episode this much. I've been increasingly disenchanted with the second half of the season, particularly the "big" two-parters. So much so that having recorded this one Friday I didn't bother to watch it until Monday even though there were opportunities before then.

And what an unexpected treat this turned out to be. I liked it from the opening scene of Jack shaving (and did anyone else think he was going to seriously hurt himself with that razor? ) and trying to solve the crossword puzzle. Up, down, charmed...strange. I even knew the answer.

I liked the closing scene of Teal'c's departure with Bra'tac. One of the things I've consistently liked about this season is how much more expressive Teal'c has gotten. The look on his face when he hugged Jack, the sad acceptance and pain that he may never see his friend again...what a subtle and wonderful performance by CJ.

And I liked most things in between. It's fascinating watching Kinsey spin out of control. Whatever his agenda is, it's unraveling faster than he can knit and in his desperation to gain control of the SGC he is totally losing it.

Jessica Steen as Dr Weir is a good "fit" for the show. She seemed to belong. I could have accepted her running the SGC in season 8. She would have added an interesting element to the power dynamics. Or her presence in Atlantis would have raised my rather low expectations for that show. As it is, she did an outstanding job of quickly establishing a new character.

I am however again left to wonder what the heck the death gliders and alkesh were targeting. More stinger toting groundhogs? And I just can't take Anubis (or his BH) serious. His presence is just too small to be remotely menacing. But really these are minor points in an excellent episode. The writing was sharp. The directing gave a sense of immediacy to the story. The acting was well done as usual. And the team was a team.

Stargate SG-1 has it's mojo back!

Posted by: mithwriter Mar 16th 2004, 5:27 PM

Posted by: J'Oneill2u Mar 16th 2004, 9:05 PM

Posted by: dorien Mar 17th 2004, 9:39 AM

Someone else who appreciates the importance of body language and what it says.

In this case I had the feeling that Jack was deliberately holding himself back. Keeping things on a strictly professional level. He knows he did the only thing possible by going Ancient again. And he's proven in the past that he values Sam's life above his own. While he may be okay with his decision perhaps the only way for him to deal with the situation is to firmly deny what he may be sacrificing. Take this exchange for instance:

Jack: I just...hope it's worth.
Sam: Even if we do find the Lost City, even if we get there and find exactly what we're looking for to defend the planet...
Jack: That would be worth it.

He clearly cut her off before she finished her thought which judging by her tone and body language would have been along the lines of "I don't think sacrificing you is worth it". He knew what was coming but if he allowed it to be said it would cross a line and maybe undue his acceptance. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it.

Since I've come this far though, I may as well add that Jack clearly wanted her company. The whole "drink your beer and wait an hour to drive" thing. And by sitting on a sofa instead of a chair he was silently inviting her to sit next to him.

I'm sure you also noticed that when Daniel started his "it's funny..." explanation, it's Jack that reached out and made physical contact with Sam. Slight though it was. Still waters run very deep.

Posted by: SG-15 Mar 17th 2004, 12:37 PM

What a cool episode. or am I thinking of part 2. I don't know. After I downloaded it I watched it over and over again.

9/10

Posted by: stargatefreak Mar 17th 2004, 4:11 PM

Loved it!!!!!!!! This is one of the best episodes seen in a long time. Did anyone else want to scream at Kinsey to shut his f***ing mouth?!!!!!!!

I didn't want to like Dr. Weir but she turned ok in the end when she told off Kinsey. Daniel was being really defensive and mean to her, hangover?

I'm a little irritated at the president. I thought he would turn out to be on our side.

I liked when the team and Hammond gathered at Jack's house.

I wish that Jack and Sam had had more time to talk. Shipper at heart!!

Can't wait for part 2!!

Posted by: mithwriter Mar 17th 2004, 4:56 PM

Posted by: DoctorMajorSam Mar 17th 2004, 5:15 PM

Dorien and Mith I completely agree. I couldnt believe that when I was talking to people about this episode that they didnt see the love between them. My mom was completely oblivious to it. They both wanted sooooo badly to just be with eachother but I at the same time didnt want to break regulations. Also when Daniel and Teal'C came to the door notice they didnt answer it and even when Daniel popped his head inside they didnt answer right away and exchanged an glance at eachother. Also notice how Daniel and Teal'C took the couch and Jack and Sam moved to the closely postioned chairs across the room, and their interaction while Daniel and Teal'C were talking. They had beneath the surface conversation WITHOUT words. Thats some big time intamacy going on between them.

Jak

Posted by: dorien Mar 17th 2004, 8:18 PM

Posted by: DoctorMajorSam Mar 17th 2004, 9:47 PM

NO dorien I agree with you. It was something more. That scene brought a new level of openness and realization of their relationship. I hope that it continues.

Jak

Posted by: J'Oneill2u Mar 17th 2004, 10:39 PM

Posted by: DoctorMajorSam Mar 18th 2004, 12:03 PM

I hope they continue to have episodes that do this. I really enjoyed it and I agree that it is also good for the non-shippers because it is not blatenly obvious.

Jak

Posted by: dorien Mar 18th 2004, 7:59 PM

Posted by: DoctorMajorSam Mar 18th 2004, 8:15 PM

Thats one of the best things about the show. You got to love all the underlying things. Body language, glances, mannerisms: all of them add so much to the actual story.

I love it

Jak

Posted by: I AM SCI-FI Mar 18th 2004, 8:40 PM

Great ep.
Was it just me, or does Dr. Weir sound an awful lot like Sam. They have the same accent and same inflections in their tone. Plus, they are of similar build and have a similar hair style. Does anyone know if Dr. Weir goes onto lead in Stargate Atlantis? If you know for a fact that she is or isn't, please, PM me.

Posted by: Spence Mar 18th 2004, 10:06 PM

I absolutely loved this episode. It had the right mix of everything, IMO.

There were so many hilarious lines but my favorite was when Jack said that he finds that http://www.guinness.com is great even as a meal. I often had Guinness as dinner instead of food when I was in college and could afford it. I've always said it was a great meal and was glad that a fellow beer lover thought the same thing. And if I only had a few days left to live, you bet I'd be flinging beer bottle caps all over the house. Why should I keep the house neat and orderly?

Kinsey. Love to hate him. Great acting.

Loved the Death Glider getting shot down and exploding on impact. Very cool effects.

Posted by: Spence Mar 18th 2004, 10:35 PM

Posted by: J'Oneill2u Mar 18th 2004, 11:28 PM

My only nitpick (and it is a very small one) about the entire episode is the level of car noise outside Jack's house. The way cars raced by in the background, you would have thought his house was beside a motor speedway rather than in a subdivision. I went back to "Shades of Grey" to see whether that same level of background noise was there, and sure enough, it was. The sound effects person was too heavy-handed with it, I think.

One other thing, I prefer the lighting technique for inside Jack's house in "Shades of Grey" to this episode's version. Does anyone know the reason for the change, i.e., are they using a different kind of film and that's why the lighting seemed to be a little harsh or stark?

Posted by: Borg Duck Mar 19th 2004, 7:44 PM

I like the fact that Jack drinks Guinness & the fact that Sam drinks booze too (Cold Lazarus anyone?) they're not "perfect" like in the stupid Star Trek universe

I'm not very attached to Dr Weir yet but then change can be difficult (I heard that her character will be played by another actress in Atlantis)

Posted by: J'Oneill2u Mar 21st 2004, 12:07 AM

One more thing about the family picture. Last night I re-watched Fragile Balance and noticed that the same family picture was on Jack's bedside table during that episode. However, in this episode, when Sam referred to it, the picture was hanging on the wall in Jack's den. I cannot decide if there was some subtle message here, or whether the prop people said, oh since this scene needs a picture of the ex-wife, let's pull the one out of the bedroom and use it. No one will ever notice it.

Lots of folks out here - like me - do notice odd things like that.

Posted by: them8o Mar 21st 2004, 3:20 PM

Just a thought. Anyone else think Inubis and his newly created henchmen are exactly what the Dard Lord and Storm Troopers wish they would have been all along?

When I saw Lost City Part One, I just thought to myself when Inubis ordered his soldiers to kill all the Jaffa who failed in securing him the secret of the planet, add in some "Force Powers" and you have something in "evil-ness" that dwarfs anything the Star Wars story's Dark Lord and Storm Troopers ever achieved. Heck, at the time I didn't even think any "Force Powers" were required. Inubis and his evil mutant test-tube henchmen did a good enough job of it on their own!

Posted by: Jetdeck Mar 21st 2004, 7:15 PM

Posted by: DoctorMajorSam Mar 22nd 2004, 12:49 AM

OH I wouldnt be the least bit surprised if they do. I have seen pics of Amanda and JR out on a walk and I have read interviews about Mike and Rick talking about being daddies and going through that stuff together.

I am guessing they do that stuff.

Daniel drunk was sooooooooo funny!!!


Jak

Posted by: dorien Mar 23rd 2004, 4:01 AM

Posted by: WMCoolmon Mar 23rd 2004, 10:09 PM

I think it was because Jack knew he had a very limited time before he started "going Ancient", and wanted to talk about something trivial that would make him forget his troubles, not his ex-wife which would undoubtedly bring back memories of Charlie.

Coming from Jack, I think it was a much stronger "No." than any smartass remark would have been.

Posted by: DoctorMajorSam Mar 24th 2004, 3:46 PM

Dorien you have a good point there. Jack could have seen it as a question about him telling everyone that he may die or just plainly facing the fact that he could die. I am guessing thats the reason and the question "how are you feeling" just reasks it. I think he was trying to avoid the knowledge that his life could end.

Jak

Posted by: J'Oneill2u Mar 25th 2004, 11:57 PM

In seven years of shows, Jack has never avoided looking at death head on. For example, in Solitudes, he said he regretted having to die but didn't avoid the subject with Sam. In Divide and Conquer, he faced death as a means to possibly help Sam. He even admitted that he would rather die than lose her. In Frozen, he was prepared to die until Sam asked him to blend with a Tok'ra. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera...

I've decided that the reason he didn't want to talk about it with Carter is that he chose not to waste his remaining time having full control of his faculties discussing things he could do nothing about. He preferred to just be with the one person that he had been willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for, time and time again.

I cannot think of a single circumstance in which Jack has refused Sam anything. (Even going to call for Pete's medical attention - at Sam's request, of course -when he should have let him suffer a little, considering that Pete put Carter at risk - which, by the way, Jack has never done. But I digress.)

Posted by: DoctorMajorSam Mar 26th 2004, 12:07 AM

I agree with you JO'Neill2. you make and excelent point. Keep up the good work!

Jak

Posted by: thechronical May 13th 2004, 3:50 AM

Appologies if this has been talked about before but I have a question.

The Asgard said in any earlier episode that Jack marks the next stage in evolution for the humans and that is the reason why his brain was able to decipher the Ancient's knowledge. Thus why they placed that genetic marker in his body so that his DNA cannot be manipulated. I agree that they didn't say that Jack is the only person with this advaced brain or that others would not have been able to handle that knowledge.

Now, when it came to the point that somebody had to look into that device (again) wasn't Jack the natural choice to do it? After all, he has the brain! Jack argued that Daniel is the only person that would be able to communicate with him once he start talking Ancient and Sam is the only person that possibly could understand anything he would build. But more importantly, isn't the ability for their brain to handle the technology more important? So why were Sam and Daniel stepping over each other to get to the device before Jack? Was it just a (childish) case of "let me have a go this time"?

Posted by: Mac.Fan May 20th 2004, 8:20 AM

I just saw the episode. Jack gets the anticents down loaded in to his brain, again. He had no chose after all anubis wanted it but miss out. Hammond has been sent to washington. Kinsey is being nomal ass hole and try to take over the SGC. Bra'tac gave them all some bad news. Sam and Jack talk but got interuped when Daniel and Teal'c showed up. Then hammond showed up to give them some bad news.I am looking ford to see part2.

Posted by: DR Larry Murphy Jun 14th 2004, 4:28 PM

Now I've decided upon my 1st choice of beer I chose Guiness ever since I was 14 and first tried that stout.When Jack said that line i jumped in the air and screamed YEs it was the satisfaction of having something in common with on of my heroes. But guiness in a bottle not my style.Still a brilliant episode.

Posted by: SG1Papa Jun 27th 2004, 7:46 PM

Posted by: dorien Jun 27th 2004, 9:07 PM

Posted by: cibi Jul 5th 2004, 1:56 PM

For those watching SG-1 in german (like me):

There is an error in the german translation:

Instead of "Burns as Goa'uld" (Mr. Burns from the Simpsons)
it is "burns like Goa'uld" (brennt wie Goa'uld).
Doh!

(DVD with EP 721/722, rental version)

Posted by: Sam's Sister Jul 17th 2004, 8:18 PM

Posted by: Ceberus Oct 14th 2004, 9:32 PM

Australia just saw this episode for the first time on TV..

what can i say i love the fact that daniel wanted to have the anchient info downloaded into his brain... I think he wanted the info so bad because he believes himself to be the most important when it comes to these things.

It is not a shock that the new pres gave hammond the boot but to replace him with a 'friendly face' that is just silly. Besides what is wrong with General George Hammond's Face?

We got to see the two episodes in succession so i am not aware of the tansition between part 1 and part 2.

Ceberus

Posted by: Chelle B Oct 15th 2004, 8:08 AM

Posted by: magnavox Oct 15th 2004, 11:30 PM

Pt. 1 ended when Teal'c hugged O'Neill and went through the Stargate to Chulak.

Posted by: sg1 timelink Nov 16th 2004, 10:18 AM

I can'nt wait for season 8 to come out. I like Dr. Weir. Does anyone have pic of Dr. Weir?

Posted by: cosmos Nov 16th 2004, 9:30 PM

Good episode overall...

Though i didn't quite like O'Neill's attitude at the ruins after the gliders showed up. Surely he did understand the importance for their mission to be successful. Yet, he seemed a bit off and having everybody explain every bit to him at that moment is not very agreeable to me.

On another note how does up, down, charmed... lead to strange....?

Posted by: wonderland Nov 17th 2004, 5:56 AM

Posted by: SG-000 Jan 9th 2005, 2:06 AM

Is it just me or dose sam seem like she is going to give Jack a good bye fit for a Col.

I f you know what I mean.

Did any one notice that Bratak says :"Has Hammond of Texas fallen in battle?"

I think that is hilarious...just me?

Posted by: JamesG Feb 11th 2005, 12:07 AM

Just watched this episode last night, i thought it was a really good episode...love it. Jack with the crossword was funny.

Posted by: stargate_addict Mar 18th 2005, 12:47 PM

yeah, i was actually wondering about that too. can anyone tell us what scene Part 1 ended on?

Posted by: Ilzy May 22nd 2005, 2:49 AM

I don't know if anyone's noticed (I really didn't want to read all of this discussion) but the very end of this episode brought me a deju vu feeling. You remember the end of Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back? Hans Solo was frozen into a block of ice and the scence with him and Lea was so similiar with this Jack and Sam touching the ice part!

This also brings to mind how much RDA sometimes reminds me of Harisson Ford, Jack is so like Hans Solo sometimes!

Posted by: Heru-ER Jun 15th 2005, 11:25 AM

U r right actually other parts like Star Wars is when they attack Anubis super Mothership, Frozing Jack like that is cool

I don't know if anyone's noticed (I really didn't want to read all of this discussion) but the very end of this episode brought me a deju vu feeling. You remember the end of Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back? Hans Solo was frozen into a block of ice and the scence with him and Lea was so similiar with this Jack and Sam touching the ice part!

This also brings to mind how much RDA sometimes reminds me of Harisson Ford, Jack is so like Hans Solo sometimes!

Posted by: Dracodian Stonewall Sep 9th 2005, 12:23 PM

This was a great episode, does any one else besides me wonder why Jack so quickly recovered this time after the download?

Posted by: JamesG Sep 10th 2005, 8:45 PM

This was a great episode, does any one else besides me wonder why Jack so quickly recovered this time after the download?

Posted by: god of war Feb 27th 2006, 9:57 AM

Jacks crossowrd was funny.
hevely body uma therman lol
i like when the came threw the gate
what happend
" i did it again"

Posted by: thefirstone Apr 3rd 2006, 12:49 PM

Yeah funny, it was also funny with the crossword at the start.

Carter:"the atomic mass of boron. its ten."
O'Neill:"yeah."
Carter:"you wrote the word fat."
O'Neill:"Your point?."

Posted by: Ancient Kane Jul 21st 2006, 8:26 AM

QUOTE(god of war @ Feb 27th 2006, 9:57 AM)