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Stargate Information Archive _ SG-1 Season 7 _ 712 - Evolution (Part Two)

Posted by: Arcady Dec 8th 2003, 4:03 AM

Season 7, Episode 12 - Evolution (Part Two)

Air Date (UK): December 15, 2003
Air Date (US): January 9, 2004

Jack O'Neill and a former fellow soldier travel to the jungle to attempt a rescue of Daniel Jackson.

(Part 2 of 2.)

http://www.sg1archive.com/s7credits.shtml#712 | http://www.sg1archive.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f;=2&t;=2311 | http://www.sg1archive.com/teasers/s7promo.html

Posted by: Raxor Dec 15th 2003, 4:36 PM

I like this episode, my Review

+special effectsm top notch as usual
+story, liked the ending to it
+more jack (you all love this
+anubis is now to be feared
+end of annother minor goauld
+SS are pretty good
+good backstory with Jacks Mate
+the team off world are kicking ass
+nice Ring effect (pic included)
+not too many cliche in my opinion
+Jacks his usual self smile.gif

-not much to say really

i really liked this episode and had a good ending. someone had to get hurt in the end. and it was sam this time...
my rating ***1/2 Very good
i hope they keep this up

cant wait to see the new eps...

Looks Like anubis is going to kick Ass which is good to see for once...

heres the pic smile.gif
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Posted by: Stargate SG-1 Bott Dec 15th 2003, 4:37 PM

'i thought the episode rocked, worth the wait of 4 or 5 months aswell, when the super soldier came on the transporter it got my heart beating so much suspense in that moment, , which hasn?t happened a while in stargate for me, the episode wasn?t as predictable as i thought it would be, as to the new army, looks cool, hehe'
from what I said in spoiler section, just to extend on that, how did the guide, the first guide survive after being shot and stranded in same place for like what must have been 3-4 days if not more. I liked how jack and the agent made up at the end aswell, overall great episode, looking forward to the rest of the season in extreme anticipation, especially after seeing the promo. The shippyness was really nice to see, it was also great to see jack in it for a long period of time.

?I still cant get over the fact we get to see it before the Americans, Britain rules, respect to SKY1?

Posted by: Aesir Dec 15th 2003, 4:38 PM

Ok, quite a bit to say about this episode, some good, some bad...

Firstly I really thought that it severely lacked any significant amount of suspense, kind of like I thought the first part did. There were some interesting plot elements, but I really didn't find it too thrilling or exciting to watch unsure.gif

I'm really curious now as to which Goa'uld Queen that was that we saw... argh, they should have given her a name to satisfy my curiousity before blowing her up.

The sarcophagus box looks pretty scary and it seems like it's like an enhanced version of the sarcophagus that can work over long distances too. That guy really looked like some undead zombie... maybe they are going to say that's where the stories of the undead came from? Who knows.

I found the use of the transport rings in mid-flight very interesting too as I didn't know that they could do that... even more interesting when the rings got ripped off the ship and flew away. I wonder if that means the ship now can't use the rings again? I guess so, unless somehow they are created/replicated each time the transporter is used.

As soon as I saw that massive army of supersoldiers, I really couldn't help but think "Attack of the clones"... maybe I'm looking for the Star Wars links now, but that really stood out for me.

I also found it really funny when that Goa'uld confronted Sam, Jacob and Teal'c. He had the advantage that they didn't know he was behind them, so he says "fools" before raising his hand device and so Teal'c just turns around and zats him and Carter finishes him off with her P90 classic Goa'uld stupidity biggrin.gif

There were quite a few very mild shippy moments between Sam and Jack in the episode I noticed... like them showing they care a lot about each other's well-being, but I was happy to see they took it no further otherwise my opinion of this episode might have been even lower smile.gif

Posted by: Jon The UK SG-1 Fan Dec 15th 2003, 4:56 PM

This ep kicked ass, firstly i have to say as i mentioned in my review of evolution part 1 that I thought that the Daniel story line kicked ass and is a bit better than the Anubis one.

Ok heres what i liked.......i liked the way Jacob dressed up in the super soldier outfit laugh.gif

I remember looking at that spoiler pics thinking that the real one was escaping. Anyone know where the alive one is now lol. I thought the device was really sweet that made that terrorist guy get super strong and started taking out his own men. I thought the camo that Jack was wearing was class and i liked how him and that Burke guy kinda had history with the friendly fire incident. It was great when Burke told O'Neill that it was Woods who was the traitor and he didn't tell him cause of Wood's wife etc.

Oh yeah when O'Neill was off to saver Danny i liked that acting between AT and RDA saying good bye and good luck that was pretty cool. Ultimate comedy was when Bra'tac ringed that SS out of the cargo ship and he kinda just fell lmao.
FAB ep i loved it, got a crappy break till Jan 6th now..........

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I also found it really funny when that Goa'uld confronted Sam, Jacob and Teal'c. He had the advantage that they didn't know he was behind them, so he says "fools" before raising his hand device and so Teal'c just turns around and zats him and Carter finishes him off with her P90 classic Goa'uld stupidity


Yeah lmao they are so dumb some times, correction though......not the P90 on this occassion, it was her custom built mean ass thing king.gif

Edit: And since when did Jack speak Spanish. Or have i been missing something these past seven years.

Posted by: Child of the gods Dec 15th 2003, 5:04 PM

This episode wins my favourite ever episode for now since it the most recent in my head! biggrin.gif

Absoulutley phonemenal!

We saw Thoth and Anubis also the ace Snake queen !

Do you reckon they'll next say that machine brought Jesus back to life hypocrite.gif

As for the army of SS, FANDABIDOZI!! king.gif

Anywho, can't wait till the 6th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: MajorSCarter Dec 15th 2003, 5:12 PM

woohoo!!! wot a brill episode. i totally loved the sam/jack moments before and after their missions, hummmm im sensing some big shippiness coming up. The super soldier army totally reminds me of Star Wars, but hell who cares its brill!! when sam, teal'c and bra'tac kicked that super soldiers arse was wicked. did any one see the preview for "Grace", wow, can't wait for that episode either.

Posted by: Jacks Girl Dec 15th 2003, 5:43 PM

WOOHOOOO too- Evolution part 2 was brilliant. I loved this ep. It had everything, action, tension, suspense, super soldiers, Anubis, LOTS of Jack.......and most importantly MAJOR SHIPPY-NESS!!! at the beginning AND the end. Ok it wasn't a kiss but it was a major breakthough in the old Sam and Jack relationship.

I am gonna watch it again tomorrow when its repeated AND then on Saturday just to see the shippy moment again - I know I'm sad, but hey ho.

and what about that huge army of super soldiers - yikes!!

yey for the shippers cloud9.gif

Posted by: Lornyloo Dec 15th 2003, 5:57 PM

argh those super soldiers really scare me, i was practically screaming when that one was running after them and got on the ship. is it just me or does jack not get on with any of the people he used to know?? thought this was a great ep. mayb it just coz i watched old ep. before but did sam look a bit old in this ep.?

anyways great ep!! roll on january! laugh.gif

Posted by: MajorSCarter Dec 15th 2003, 6:09 PM

I thought sam was looking a bit old in some of the ep's at the beginning of season 7 especially "revisions", but i think shes looking as good as ever now. (except maybe from when she just got into the space ship thingy in part 2 of evolutions when her hair was blown all over the place).
I agree those super soldiers are really scary, when the soldier came into the ship bra'tac had and sam was shooting it but it just didn't die, arrrgh scary! then it just wacked her one! ouch!!! that gotta hurt.

Posted by: plzlisn Dec 15th 2003, 6:19 PM

Help someone please!!

Does anyone know where I can download this episode from right now. I'm so desperate to see it.

HEEEEEEEEELP!

Posted by: Majikthize Dec 15th 2003, 6:20 PM

Ok. My initial thought when this ep started was..."Hmm, this is al very nice and good but where's the sci fi then?"

This was quickly replaced by the thought that. "Ayeup! What's all that about between Jack and Sam then?"

And followed by. "Woohoo! This is really good stuff!" (er...not the shippy stuff before any of you rabids go getting excited, although....er yeah, speaking as a shipper yes it was good to see.)

I have to say I haven't been overly enamoured by season seven so far but this was a rocking episode. It's pretty hard to tell one good story in an episode but I think they managed to tell two or three good tales here.
Jack was back. Old Jack that is. The Jack that knows that flippant comments have a time and a place. Wow I've missed him so much! This bodes very well...yeah I love his off the cuff remarks and humour but the man is just so...dangerous when he's deadly serious. Ok I'm going in for the base comment early on here. I admit it, I find him incredibly sexy when he's all serious and dangerous like that. Heh I'm a red bloodied woman, so sue me rolleyes.gif .

Anyone who is a fan of Danny whumping is going to be frothing at the mouth watching this (and yes I am deliberately writing this review to wind up those unfortunate people on the wrong side of the Atlantic who don't get to see it in glorious full screen....err...TV colour for a couple of weeks).
I liked getting a glimpse of some of Jack's nefarious past and....

*NON SHIPPY VERSION: I liked Jack's concern over Carter taking charge on a potentially dangerous mission and their shared concern over the missing Daniel.

*SHIPPY VERSION: I liked Jack's sweet concern for Carter and his concern for her wellbeing at the begining...aww he told her to take care...awww /gush.

(*Delete as appropriate)

Ahem. There was also a nice little bit of tension there at the end that could be interpreted in any way you feel like (although I tend to think that they're definitely building up the J/S 'ship quota for a big finish.)

I also liked the touch of humour at the end when Danny was all dumbstruck that Jack was there (like huh! You didn't really think he wasn't going to come in after you did you?). Have to say MS has a nice little comic timing in him and got a nice chance to demonstrate it at the end. Good because it's normally RDA doing the funny stuff.

Yes so the supersoldier army was really reminiscent of ATOC. Mind it was done better IMO (and less confusing) and I can only really see die hard Star Wars fans really getting the arse over that.
Yes the Goa'uld was an ass. Hmmm....way to go Villan Of The Week. Go announce your presence so the good guys can shoot you. Dork!

And to all those who were complaining that Carter doesn't get injured...well yes she does here, although I thought the SS whacked her in the face and not the arm? Well I guess she looks more attractive in a sling than with a dirty great big black eye then. And Danny nearly dies again. Jeez than man is so unlucky!

Final thought. I think this episode is a big ep in where the rest of this season is going. We now know Anubis has a huge army of seemingly invincible soldiers and we've got this device thing that seems to revive dead flesh into a zombie like state. I don't think we've seen the last of either of these things.

Posted by: JoLeigh Dec 15th 2003, 6:24 PM

i *REALLY* need to see this episode!!!!

I was over checking out the spoilers, and I had the pleasure of checking out another chat room who were giving a play-by-play of the episode. And just by the stuff I read in there...

This is gonna ROCK!!! w00t.gif

cloud9.gif I can't wait to see the SHIPPINESS of the episode. This is soooooooo sweeeeeeeeeet!!!! cloud9.gif

Will talk more about this when I see it for myself....

ROCK ON SEASON 7!!!!!!

Posted by: Ares Dec 15th 2003, 8:29 PM

OK, so you're saying there will be some shippy crap in this ep? This does not sit well for me. I was really looking forward to seeing this ep, but now I don't really want to. The action better offset that mushy crap, or else I better find a new show to watch.

Posted by: SyStEm_LoRd Dec 15th 2003, 8:52 PM

arghhh its not up for download yet. i want it now i dont want to wait..

Posted by: centerpoint Dec 15th 2003, 9:03 PM

AAAAUUUGHHH!! Got to stop READING THESE! Now I'm frothing at the mouth! Come quickly, January ninth, for you carry the expectations of many!

*Note: though that sounded semi-dramatic and Shakespearean, I still hate Shakespeare.

Posted by: Arcady Dec 16th 2003, 12:53 AM

I thought this episode was really cool. The 10 seconds of shippy crap doesn't ruin it at all. It's not even that shippy unless you are looking for it.

My favorite part was when the Goa'uld says "fools" and then Teal'c turns around. I almost expected him to say "who you callin' a fool, fool?"

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Posted by: Ares Dec 16th 2003, 1:12 AM

QUOTE (Arcady @ Dec 15 2003, 11:53 PM)
I thought this episode was really cool. The 10 seconds of shippy crap doesn't ruin it at all. It's not even that shippy unless you are looking for it.

Excellent. You've restored my confidence. And since I'm on dial-up, there's no way I'd ever have the patience to download the ep. Oh well, I like watching it on reg. tv anyway.

And from the sound of it, it looks to be a good ep. Especially when it comes from Arc. Then you know it's a good one. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Raxor Dec 16th 2003, 2:39 AM

QUOTE (SyStEm_LoRd @ Dec 16 2003, 01:52 AM)
arghhh its not up for download yet. i want it now i dont want to wait..

so much for you downloading it of the internet eh:)

Posted by: eliminator Dec 16th 2003, 2:59 AM

I thought it was excellent and I was nearly shitting myself when I saw *spoiler* Hundreds of the SS lining up in front of Anubis, ready to do battle against all the other sstem lords, then US!

Posted by: fallscrape Dec 16th 2003, 3:03 AM

arghh! Next episode isn't till Tuesday January 6th! After all this waiting, and we have to wait for the new year!

Mind you, good episode. I definately liked the evil dead bit. Even my girlfriend agreed that the bit in the hall was like starwars. Nevermind, all good things are borrowed anyway!

Can't wait for the next 'un biggrin.gif

The video is already set!

Posted by: Raz Dec 16th 2003, 3:36 AM

1 Word "IMMENSE"

Posted by: GuNdj Dec 16th 2003, 4:00 AM

I just finished downloading and watching it.

Great episode. I didn't even notice the shippiness until I read it here, because its practically non-existant as far as im concerned.

Loved the rings part, looks like they need to install some new ones though cool.gif

Posted by: SyStEm_LoRd Dec 16th 2003, 4:20 AM

hey i just viewed the torrent im downloading. and carter looked pretty missed up. wat happened there?

Posted by: Dafmeister Dec 16th 2003, 6:25 AM

Man what a great ep. Couple of shipper moments if you ask me and they were more noticeable. In other eps they have been pretty subtle, but you could really see them last night.

Cant believe we have to wait till Jan 6th now.

Posted by: ramuund Dec 16th 2003, 7:43 AM

What an episode- I liked the change of surroundings and more human feel epiosde- we had interactions with non-classified people and by the way....

Dr. Lee said that he told them everything- o.k so you would think that they could have shown some reaction too that- i mean, stargate, aliens, healing devices- yep all run of the mill stuff that honduras rebels come across all the time wink.gif

As for the shippiness- i liked it and as for the people who were saying that it would make them sick if there was too much- don't worry- it is more concern than all out eyes met across the room, fly into each others arms sort of thing- we'll have to wait till the end of the season for that! whistling.gif

I thought the un-dead rebel was exellent and those eyes! uuuhhhh alien.gif

I loved the Burke? That's his name is'nt it?- anyway he was the bomb and i loved his wacko laugh!

The exchange at the end of humour (the bit where Lee is holding the device) and Daniel shuffles away!

Overall, this episode was alot different to what i expected and i LOVED it- come on January 6th

Posted by: Emmyloo Dec 16th 2003, 10:13 AM

Ok, unlike some, i didnt think this episode was great, but it was definately an improvement on the previous season 7 eps (inculding Evolution Pt1).
I was left feeling rather disapointed after watching Evolution Pt1 last week, and was glad to see that Pt2 redeemed itself to a certain extent. Like i said before this ep was good, but not great, it was an improvement to the Season, but i still dont think it was up to scratch compared to other Seasons.

I was quite happy with the amount of Jack in this ep, in a way it was kinda like old times, in that if you blink you wont miss him. whistling.gif

A nice amount of shippyness too. They showed they cared about each other without being too 'in your face' about it. You probably wouldnt have even noticed it if you wernt looking out for it, it was all very subtle, but just the right amount for me. cloud9.gif

I also enjoyed the humour aspect of this ep too. E.g. Daniel shuffling away from Dr. Lee at the end...... and also the bit where Daniel picks up that rock just as Jack kills the bad guys and kinda just sits there with it even when Jack comes over to him, i was half expecting Jack to say something like, "And what were you planning on doing with that????" laugh.gif

Like most have already said, that SS army was very Star Wars, but it didnt really bother me. Although, i am a bit afraid that they have made these Super Soldiers seem just that bit too indestructible. I heard somewhere that *possible spoiler...maybe i dunno* Anubis will be defeated at the end of Season 7. If that is true, i hope its not by some lame/obvious thing, as right now Anubis, accompanied by his SS army, just seems too indestructible.

One thing i was wondering was about the SS weapon that Jacob had on his arm. Did we see him fire it at an SS? I dont think he did but i could be wrong.
Anyway, so far we havent seen a weapon that will in any way do any harm to a SS with that armour, and i was just thinking that maybe their own weapons could. I assume (i dont think its been stated) that the SS weapons are more advanced, so maybe they could be used against them.

Posted by: Aesir Dec 16th 2003, 10:59 AM

QUOTE (Child of the gods @ Dec 15 2003, 10:04 PM)
We saw Thoth and Anubis

They gave that other Goa'uld a name? I was listening for one, but I don't remember it being mentioned - I guess I just missed it.

QUOTE (Child of the gods @ Dec 15 2003, 10:04 PM)
Do you reckon they'll next say that machine brought Jesus back to life

Come on, there's no way they would even contemplate mentioning Jesus in this way on Stargate... bringing up any modern religion in any way that suggests it might be related to aliens etc., is just asking for trouble rolleyes.gif

QUOTE (Ares @ Dec 16 2003, 01:29 AM
)
OK, so you're saying there will be some shippy crap in this ep? This does not sit well for me. I was really looking forward to seeing this ep, but now I don't really want to. The action better offset that mushy crap, or else I better find a new show to watch.

As a fellow anti-shipper, I will confirm what Arcady said... it's not too bad. What there is is very mild and just the odd thing here and there with them asking about each other's well-being, showing they care... from reading the spoilers of what is to come in the Season it does not look good though mad.gif

Posted by: stargatesweetie Dec 16th 2003, 11:48 AM

A good sequel to part one (duh, as in it was not an anticlimax as opposed to part two following part one). More Jack screen-time (always a bonus, especially this season), Daniel getting to run around the jungle and more of Anubis and his "SS".
On a "comic touch" I like the bit at the end when the other guy was holding the device and offered it to Danny, who hobbled to one side and politely refused to hold it.
Is this the turning point for season 7? I hope so.

Posted by: Raxor Dec 16th 2003, 11:58 AM

so do i
and i like the way political correctness went WAY otta the windoe with Thoth, the goauld. great to see him just get killed smile.gif

they gotta do this more often

and i do like the homage to star wars. just as long anubis doesnt make death gliders like tie fighters ill always be happy

Posted by: Draconus Dec 16th 2003, 12:16 PM

OMG can't really describe that ep but woo hoo!! laugh.gif

i was on the edge of my sea the whole time

bring on jan 6th

Posted by: Kree! Dec 16th 2003, 12:23 PM

Good ep, NOT great unlike other eps in other seasons. When I saw the army I was like WoW That bit with the rings was good. Thanks 4 the pic Raxor smile.gif .

I liked some of the humor in this ep like when silier [sp] and Jacob where having a chat. "You had helmets in thoose days? Sir?" laugh.gif


Posted by: samandjack2003 Dec 16th 2003, 3:48 PM

I think at the beginning of the episode, Sam was disappointed that she didn't get to go with Jack. I also think that she is afraid something was going to happen to him.

Posted by: kazz Dec 16th 2003, 4:13 PM

my bro was working so i had to record the ep for him and as i was rewatching the end and i noticed that right at the end i heard someone in the background laughing and i dont know if it was suposed to be sam or jack laughing but i sure didnt sound like them blink.gif oh well huh.gif

Posted by: Aesir Dec 16th 2003, 4:22 PM

QUOTE (samandjack2003 @ Dec 16 2003, 08:48 PM)
I think at the beginning of the episode, Sam was disappointed that she didn't get to go with Jack. I also think that she is afraid something was going to happen to him.

Well I would be pretty surprised if she wasn't worried about him given that they are friends and the missions they go on are pretty dangerous. In fact, it would be pretty unrealistic if she showed no worry at all, even if she was just trying to be professional, it would show a little. I hope they don't take it too far and make her appear really worried about Jack a lot but her neglect Daniel and Teal'c. She should still care about them both almost as much.

Posted by: Major Sam Carter O'Neill Dec 16th 2003, 5:00 PM

Totally loved this episode, felt like a little kid when the supersoldier appeared i prcatically scrmed. And my new best mate is Burke!! I loved the guy he was sorta like Rothman but kooler!!
Was that a little ship at the end as well there was definite eye contact i felt, but i'm just gettin excited for the 2nd half of S7 now! Wooooooooo laugh.gif biggrin.gif cloud9.gif

Posted by: kitsune Dec 16th 2003, 6:42 PM

a couple of statements, and alot of questions...

After having watched almost 130 different sg1 episodes, I must say that this 2 part is the best serious showing that they have done.

As for predictability, I made 3 predictions durring the show...
1) that the evil goa'uld henchman (Thoth?) would be killed by Anubis for his misplacement of Jacob
2) The room with the holding tanks would contain a queen that we would get to kill
3) That closing the doors on the kull warrior wouldn't help much (especially that a door whose opening is a diminishing dimond as it closes would be stopped by the arm of the warrior.)

Well, 2 out of 3 is too many for me, especially considering Thoth died anyway

I have to wonder why Jacob took off the armor, it would help him blend in, as well as protecting him. Also, i asume he was ably to fire his weapon, based on the fact that the weapon is the only thing he did not take off, and by the way he held it with his other hand. We already know that the kull warrior does not need his second hand to fire the weapn, so why does Jacob?

Also, does anyone know if a kull warrior has 2 such weapons? There are protrusions above each of his wrist...

any one know why the guards hassened to the shack right after killing the reanimated guy? I would have though there whould be more important things on their minds than the captives, whom they probably assumed were not in any shape to escape. Possibly to ask more questions since their guy just came back to life?

I Loved how Dr. Lee asks if daniel wanted to hold the device, and daniel said it was safe, and then inched away from it.

So does the device have the power to animate the kull warriors? also, why did the one guy go insane so much faster than the others. even daniel appeared to be under some wierd influence as well at the end, and yet the other 3 bad guy's minds seemed uneffected by the time of death.

I also have to wonder what happened to agent burke? If he killed his teammate back then, why is he still working for us? They may have given him an unfavorable possition, but if they don't trust him, why anything at position at all? It appeared that Jack hated him, but why did burke hate jack?


Posted by: SyStEm_LoRd Dec 16th 2003, 9:20 PM

Finally got to watch it. and hell yeh was it awesome. anubis was not wearing his cloaky vest thingy, and gave the whole big speach thing to about 10 000 SS.. whoa.. and wat bout the rings that get messed up when the cargo ship was leavin the planet. and the ss well hope he can fly...

Posted by: mithwriter Dec 16th 2003, 11:03 PM

Okay, just got done watching it and...

It wasn't bad...that's about it. It was a light action story that fullfilled its requirement of giving the audience a laundry list 'things' about Anubis and his new army. Basically it felt like someone placing a piece of a jigsaw puzzle into a larger picture. "Okay, kids, this is what you need to know now about Anubis and his buddies." Btw, I liked the "Hail Anubis" thing...I thought it was well done and stands on its own without being compared to Star Wars.

Meanwhile back on earth, Jack teams up with someone from his military past, rescues Daniel, and rekindles aquaintance with said friend by end of episode.

There were many notable things that redeemed this from being a boring ep.
1. The score used for the South American setting. Very nice.
2. Little moments between J Carter, S Carter laugh.gif , Teal'c and Bra'tac.
3. Props to the guys playing rebels. In many tv shows, the whole 'interrogation scene' has the potentional for cheeziness because its been done to death (no pun intended), but it came off as a legitamate threat to Daniel and Lee. Well done.
4. Jack was in it for more than 5 minutes total...always a plus.
5. The ring transporter sequence...now that was funny!
6. Daniel's reaction to Jack's appearance.
7. Daniel's reaction to Lee's offer to hold the artifact.

And finally...all this talk of shippiness. Gotta tell ya, I need to wear the same x-ray glasses the shippers are wearing, 'cause I didn't see it. I think what's happening is that there's been such a lack of that element between these two characters that people are reading WAY too much into stuff and becoming so desperate that they are willing to translate ANY interaction between these characters as something more than what it is.

Wait for the real thing, kids. It's coming. Just a feeling I've got. cool.gif

Posted by: Heru'ur Dec 17th 2003, 2:47 AM

Man that was a great episode. It had action, adventure, suspense, and really cool alien technology. It will be intersting to see what they do with it. They could cure all diseases perhaps. Plus the new threat of an army of supersoldiers was a real shocker. They could od some real damage. All Anubis has to do is send one to a different planet and they could cuase some major damage, tus making it easier to take over the galaxy.

Posted by: Mike Dec 17th 2003, 4:22 AM

Overall this was a pretty good episode. It seemed to me that the producers did a fair, well balanced display of both plots. The shippyness is something that I could call nonexistent, meaning it didn't bug me at all.

We learn more about O'Neill's black ops past and a past wound is brought to closure. More of the sinister plot of Anubis and his plans to take full control and the development of the super solider. This episode did a good job in setting the tone for the second half of the ride.

Posted by: muldersgun Dec 17th 2003, 6:07 AM

Twas very good.....

I only watched the squinty version since i'm on dialup and it prolly won't be shown in aus till next august or something.

Things i loved:

The guitar riff underscoring all the south american scenes
Jack and Daniel screentime (WOOHOO!!!!)
Daniel with the rock
Danny whumping
Daniel shifting away from Lee at the end
*Buff* scruffy Daniel
Jack, snarky jack
Burke (I *lurve* enrico colantoni)
Jack background stuff
Jacob

Things i thought a bit iffy:
the little shippy stuff between Sam and Jack. Nothing too over the top but.....hmmm.

yeah okay so my view was pretty shallow....Anyhoo, rocking ep....

Posted by: Behenna Dec 17th 2003, 9:11 AM

This ep was great! just hope the rest of the season stays up on this par.

When they saw all the krull(they where called this several times during the ep) warriors in the hall! I was expecting someone to say need for C4 but there remember jack wasn't there and he would of been the one to say that.


Posted by: eliminator Dec 17th 2003, 12:13 PM

QUOTE (Behenna @ Dec 17 2003, 09:11 AM)
This ep was great! just hope the rest of the season stays up on this par.

When they saw all the krull(they where called this several times during the ep) warriors in the hall! I was expecting someone to say need for C4 but there remember jack wasn't there and he would of been the one to say that.

Well think back to Evolution part 1 when SG1 used various methods in knocking the SS unconscious, one of which was C4. Which had no effect what so ever. So your plan would never work.

But a Naquadria bomb on the other hand....that might have a lasting effect.

Posted by: Majikthize Dec 17th 2003, 5:46 PM

QUOTE (Aesir @ Dec 16 2003, 10:22 PM)
Well I would be pretty surprised if she wasn't worried about him given that they are friends and the missions they go on are pretty dangerous. In fact, it would be pretty unrealistic if she showed no worry at all, even if she was just trying to be professional, it would show a little. I hope they don't take it too far and make her appear really worried about Jack a lot but her neglect Daniel and Teal'c. She should still care about them both almost as much.

Yep. Tell me is it nice down there in Egypt right now? biggrin.gif
You just keep right on ignoring the obvious mate.

Seriously though this was exactly the type of "shippyness" I like. Something that's subtle enough that the non shippers don't even see it, and enough of a carrot to dangle out for those who get excited by this kind of thing. FWIW I thought it was mildly shippy but I probably wouldn't have spotted it if it wasn't for some of the more avid shippers on the net fine tuning my Shipper Projection Radar for me.

Personally I thought Sam seemed more concerned about Daniel at the end. He was clearly injured while Jack (possibly for the first time this season) was in one piece. Jack's concern for her could easily be interpreted as nerves over her commanding a mission without him there to guide her so it works either way if you're a shipper or not.

Anyway that's just how I see it.

andy4an
I wouldn't assume that just because the weapons are used by the SS it means that they are the one things that can harm them. I think that would be far too easy, especially when you consider how their armour seems to work. It can resist all other types of energy and impact weapons and, at the very end of the episode, we heard Jacob suggesting they were going to try and engineer a weapon to defeat them. I would have thought that between them someone would have thought of trying out their own weapons on them so it's safe to assume they cannot harm them either.

Posted by: prometheus Dec 17th 2003, 7:16 PM

dude holy sh*t that was a good episode
all those super soldiers....if they can't find a weapon against those guys, earth and every other planet is seriously screwed. but i can't help thinking jacob should have kept that armor, he said it was surprisingly light...ud think they could use it on missions. Might be of some help

Posted by: Aesir Dec 18th 2003, 4:52 AM

QUOTE (eliminator @ Dec 17 2003, 05:13 PM)
Well think back to Evolution part 1 when SG1 used various methods in knocking the SS unconscious, one of which was C4. Which had no effect what so ever. So your plan would never work.

But a Naquadria bomb on the other hand....that might have a lasting effect.

You're right, but maybe if they used enough C4 it would work simply because enough of the structure would be destroyed that it might mean they all fell into the lava that was below the facility on the planet's surface. Of course I guess the armour might protect them from this too, so we wouldn't know rolleyes.gif

It does seem as though the armour is pretty invincible, so much so that it even renders them impervious to forces being exerted upon them. After all, not only did it protect it from the C4 blast, it also seemingly prevented it from even being knocked over.

Posted by: Jon The UK SG-1 Fan Dec 18th 2003, 5:38 AM

If the armour is really thick etc do u think the SS could have survived that fall from the cargo ship lol. The armour might have shock absorbers rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Aesir Dec 18th 2003, 5:53 AM

QUOTE (Jon The UK SG-1 Fan @ Dec 18 2003, 10:38 AM)
If the armour is really thick etc do u think the SS could have survived that fall from the cargo ship lol. The armour might have shock absorbers rolleyes.gif

I think that it could almost definitely survive that fall based on the fact that it wasn't even knocked back by a C4 explosion in its face. It can obviously be unaffected by very heavy impacts. Then again it doesn't make much difference as Anubis appears to have a LOT of them anyway.

Posted by: Behenna Dec 18th 2003, 7:39 AM

QUOTE (eliminator @ Dec 17 2003, 05:13 PM)
QUOTE (Behenna @ Dec 17 2003, 09:11 AM)
This ep was great! just hope the rest of the season stays up on this par.

When they saw all the krull(they where called this several times during the ep) warriors in the hall! I was expecting someone to say need for C4 but there remember jack wasn't there and he would of been the one to say that.

Well think back to Evolution part 1 when SG1 used various methods in knocking the SS unconscious, one of which was C4. Which had no effect what so ever. So your plan would never work.

But a Naquadria bomb on the other hand....that might have a lasting effect.

yey i know biggrin.gif but it would of just been a great line 2 put in there biggrin.gif

Posted by: fishbulb_teen Dec 18th 2003, 5:59 PM

does anyone here know what was that weird moment between jack and sam about? the bit at the very end of the episode.

Posted by: sg1dj Dec 18th 2003, 6:57 PM

Why didn't Jacob keep the armor since it was obviously designed to be unafected by any form of Goa'uld weaponry? They could use that suit to just walk around everywhere "gatehopping" destroying ALL the goa'uld and all we would need is ONE PERSON TO DO IT ALL!!! Imagine if we got a hold of a few of those suits and sent people in those suits out to other Goa'uld planets all at once from the Earth gate?

Wow, that would make an interesting final-final episode to get rid of all Goa'uld!
Maybe just a dream episode?? oh well.

The suit blocked the MRI scan, does anyone know if Goa'uld sensors can detect the presense of the Krull soldiers? I wonder if Asgard sensors could see them if the Goa'uld sensors couldn't??

Posted by: mithwriter Dec 18th 2003, 10:29 PM

QUOTE (fishbulb_teen @ Dec 18 2003, 05:59 PM)
does anyone here know what was that weird moment between jack and sam about? the bit at the very end of the episode.

That was just O'Neill's way of saying congrats on her commanding the mission and its success...and of course he had to poke a little fun at her for getting hurt too.

Posted by: kitsune Dec 19th 2003, 11:22 AM

Does anyone know how long these soldiers are supposed to last?

In the previous ep, the kull warrior just fell down dead, and it seemed to be recently deployed.

If this is the case, anubis's army only has a couple of days to wreak havock before they all die.

It is possible that they last longer at the planet where they can get medical attention, but how much so?

This begs another question, why were they designed so poorly? They don't need to be extrodanarily athletic, they are invincible. If they used regualar host wouldn't that be better?

Posted by: Spacen Dec 19th 2003, 11:29 AM

QUOTE (andy4an @ Dec 19 2003, 10:22 AM)
This begs another question, why were they designed so poorly? They don't need to be extrodanarily athletic, they are invincible. If they used regualar host wouldn't that be better?

A normal host can't be used because the goa'uld probably couldn't control it properly. Since the goa'uld are spawned without genetic memory and are imprinted gy Anubus, they probably wouldn't be able to control the host very effectively.

Posted by: Majikthize Dec 19th 2003, 6:10 PM

QUOTE (mithwriter @ Dec 19 2003, 04:29 AM)
That was just O'Neill's way of saying congrats on her commanding the mission and its success...and of course he had to poke a little fun at her for getting hurt too.

...Or, if you're a 'shipper then it's just jack expressing his undying love for Sam... biggrin.gif

But for what it's worth I agree with mithwriter on this one. Nice to see these kind of touches though. Makes it so much more human.

Posted by: Metel Setek Noximus Dec 20th 2003, 1:31 AM

Damn, I was hoping that I would be the first american to comment on this ep here but archady beat me to it. Oh well, great ep I dont think it needed to be a two parter though. Ring thingy kicked ass though, and Teal'c is becoming more human

Posted by: Raxor Dec 20th 2003, 12:20 PM

maybe we will see a laugh from tealc in the future. I hope that doesnt happen though as it would be stupid.

i wish there were more 2 parters. and why not have a 11 part Arc, now THAT would rock

Posted by: Arcady Dec 25th 2003, 4:53 AM

Frank Roman (who played Daniel's captor in this episode) has posted about his experiences filming an episode of Stargate SG-1 in his personal blog. He also includes a few photos.

http://frankroman.com/romansrant/index.htm

Posted by: mithwriter Dec 25th 2003, 10:58 AM

QUOTE (Majikthize @ Dec 19 2003, 06:10 PM)
...Or, if you're a 'shipper then it's just jack expressing his undying love for Sam... biggrin.gif


laugh.gif laugh.gif

You just had to add that, didn't you? wink.gif


Posted by: Kromando33 Dec 25th 2003, 10:40 PM

i just saw this episode & it soooooooooo cool, i loved it my favourite sg1 ep so far, it had everthing the special effects were awesome to say the least & seeing how powerful anubis has become damn no one can stop him with army of SS's & i loved the zombie dude who got raised by the ancient device he got pounded with round after round & just kept coming, i give this ep a 10/10 no complaints here.

Posted by: Ares Dec 25th 2003, 11:51 PM

Finally downloaded the ep. First, I thought it was great. I especially liked the scenes between O'Neil and Burke. I really liked Burke; he reminded me so much of myself. I cracked up at the Bay of Pigs thing, probably the only person who did.

No shippyness in the ep. Saying good luck and be safe is nothing. If that's called shippy, then y'all are getting really, really desperate.

O'Neil: Bye Carter, good luck and be safe.

Carter: Goodbye sir. Thanks.

Shippers: OH MY GOD!! THAT'S PRACTICALLY SEX!!!!!

SS were cool. A nice tactical nuke would've ended that party pretty quick but unfortunately they don't grow on trees.

three and a half stars

Posted by: kitsune Dec 26th 2003, 3:13 PM

QUOTE (Ares @ Dec 25 2003, 11:51 PM)
SS were cool. A nice tactical nuke would've ended that party pretty quick but unfortunately they don't grow on trees.

oooh! ooooh! great idea! lets get anubis so mad at us that we are his next target!

we don't even know if a nuke would hurt the kull warriors! it probably wouldn't except at extreamly close range, and it guarantees that our presence is know to all of anubis's ships that are floating arround out there. and i suppose you want to launch it out of the cargo ship? (since it won't get through the "iris") how would you even do that unless we were on the ground, and launching a nuke that close is not a good idea.
and if you had this nuke, you think we would have brought it? we thought there were only a handfull, and we wanted to get there quickly, so we probably didn't even have time to install it if it was available.

people who think nukes are the solution to everything freak me out.

Go Ares MacArthur!

Posted by: Lit Gal Dec 26th 2003, 5:18 PM

I just downloaded and Oh My God--it was great. It had everything I want in an episode.

1. Daniel -- yes he's in danger, but he doesn't just sit on his hands waiting for someone to save him.

2. Teal'c told a joke! w00t.gif It seems like he is getting a little more camera time which might be why I like him more every season

3. Some nice verbal humor.

4. Great special effects -- the rings with the falling SS laugh.gif Cool evil alien base!

5. Danger -- both the temporary kind with Daniel and Lee and the long term type. That shot of the SS really rocked, and I loved the looks on the team's faces when they saw them! ohmy.gif

I can hardly wait to see it on television so that I can see all the facial expressions and details.

Posted by: Carter-Hot Dec 26th 2003, 5:22 PM

The thing that had me puzzled was whatever happened to the device that was like (well more like IS) a more compact mobile surcoffincus (sp error 100%!!) idea_1.gif

Posted by: Lit Gal Dec 26th 2003, 5:38 PM

QUOTE (Carter-Hot @ Dec 26 2003, 05:22 PM)
The thing that had me puzzled was whatever happened to the device that was like (well more like IS) a more compact mobile surcoffincus (sp error 100%!!) idea_1.gif

I might be 100% wrong, but I thought Daniel went down there to get it for the Tok'ra who have the technology to understand it and (hopefully) create a weapon that undoes its life-giving effects. I assumed that Jacob took it home with him. We sure don't want to send it to the R&D idiots on earth.

Posted by: Carter-Hot Dec 26th 2003, 6:18 PM

Oh yea, that's right laugh.gif

*a flashback on Jacob Carter and team scene in my head at the last 5 /10 minutes of the episode*

The same scene where Carter gave Jack the look w00t.gif

Posted by: Albion Dec 27th 2003, 9:08 AM

Not that sure about this one for the moment - I'm temporarily going with those who were disappointed in it after expecting a lot. With Daniel in serious trouble and Jack on his way to rescue him, I was expecting...I don't know what. Something more than I got. But then I have the most appalling habit of making snap judgements on first viewing of things and then falling deeply in love with an episode on later showings, so not taking my opinion seriously right now. laugh.gif

I thought RDA looked tired during the little moments with AT.

Loved Daniel's almost hysterical reaction to Jack popping up unexpectedly out of the jungle to save his ass in the nick of time. ROTFL!

And, despite the couple of attempts to explain it (sorry!) I'm still confused as to what the dialogue at the start of the end moment between Jack and Sam means. It didn't make any sense to me. Ah well....gives me an excuse to look it over several times in order to figure it out. biggrin.gif At least now I have the clue that he was poking fun at her being hurt.

For whoever it was who asked why Burke was mad at Jack - don't think I've seen anyone answer that one so far; apologies if I missed it: Burke was mad because he expected Jack to stand up for him during the inquiry into the shooting. Whether Jack knew what happened or not, Burke thought that as Jack was his friend he should back him up, regardless. Burke believed that it was Jack's lack of support that got him shipped out to the ass-end of the planet and a crappy assignment for years.

All in all, probably one that I'll find all kinds of little moments in on a second viewing that I missed completely first time around - some of them pointed out to me here, so thanks!

Albion smile.gif

Posted by: Lit Gal Dec 27th 2003, 11:13 PM

A discussion from season two just make me wonder something about this episode. Hathor clearly fit inside a human host even though she was a breeding queen. When Egeria came along, I thought she might have grown from not being in a human for a long time, but now this unnamed queen is also too large for a human host. Do queens outgrow humans? If that's possible, why didn't Hathor outgrow her human host and why was Isis so small when they found her in the jar? Thoughts?


Posted by: Aesir Dec 28th 2003, 6:14 AM

QUOTE (Lit Gal @ Dec 28 2003, 04:13 AM)
A discussion from season two just make me wonder something about this episode. Hathor clearly fit inside a human host even though she was a breeding queen. When Egeria came along, I thought she might have grown from not being in a human for a long time, but now this unnamed queen is also too large for a human host. Do queens outgrow humans? If that's possible, why didn't Hathor outgrow her human host and why was Isis so small when they found her in the jar? Thoughts?

No, this question gets asked a lot actually... Although the Queens are slightly larger than a normal symbiote, the difference isn't that great. If you look closely at Egeria in 'Cure', you can clearly see the symbiote is separate from the big orange/red thing which I presume is some kind of birthing sac. The symbiote is obviously able to grow this somehow and then detach from it when they want to take a host. Maybe Hathor had one under the water in that bathtub.

Posted by: Spacen Dec 30th 2003, 5:16 PM

Here's my own little review:

The hostage situation was very predictable. Jack comes, Jack saves the day, Daniel gets out alive...big deal.

The other part was interesting and it wasn't so predictable. I'm interested to see if the SS are a threat anymore since they have such short life spans.

Overall, the episode was good but it was a bit of a let down of a cliffhanger.

Posted by: dido Jan 3rd 2004, 2:02 PM

This episode was pretty much okay, but it doesn't rank there among the best, though it could have, had a few things come around a little differently. I got the feeling that when the team sat down to write the two-part Evolution episodes they bit off a bit more than they could chew, and tried to do way too much even for a two-part episode. This could have easily been a three-part series if that were possible.

As some people have pointed out, this episode lacks the kind of suspense that we've come to expect from Stargate episodes, and I wholeheartedly agree. It seems a tad anticlimactic to me to have Col. O'Neill make short work in ten seconds of a group of hardened Central American guerillas. I would have preferred Daniel's rescue to be a bit more complicated than it turned out to be, what with the discovery of the mysterious artifact that the Goa'uld reverse engineered to come up with the sarcophagus technology. It could have made the guerilla leader a foe to be reckoned with, giving Jack a run for his money when it came time to deal with him. Or maybe the artifact could have been resurrecting all of the guerillas that Jack would kill after 5 minutes, so he would then have to find a way to deactivate the device while fending off attacks from undead guerillas...

The other half was not much better. Perhaps their escape could have been more messy than it was... In Part I we have Jack asking cynically when did Plan A ever work? Ironically, Plan A worked almost perfectly here in part II! I was hoping there would be more messy complications for Sam's team as they attempted to explore Anubis' citadel on Tartarus and learn his plans... I dunno, maybe we could have had Bra'tac on the ship getting captured, which would force the rest of them to attempt to rescue him from the clutches of Anubis' supersoldiers before Anubis could plant a mind probe in his brain, and forcing them to escape through the Stargate under heavy fire instead of leaving on the scout ship. I would also have not allowed them to kill the Goa'uld scientist in charge of this pet project of Anubis so easily.

Unfortunately, making these sorts of changes would have required the entire Evolution episode to be the length of a feature film... crying.gif So I can't really say that this was so bad. I give the writers credit for almost doing the best they could within the constraints they were under.

That said, I've managed to see all 144 episodes of Stargate SG-1 to date over the past few months, thanks to BitTorrent. Seems nobody has bothered to release this rocking series here in my country, not even on video, so that's the only choice I've got. Anyhow, at least I've got you guys to keep me company while we wait for Season 7 Ep13! laugh.gif

Posted by: Ares Jan 3rd 2004, 4:44 PM

QUOTE (dido @ Jan 3 2004, 01:02 PM)
It seems a tad anticlimactic to me to have Col. O'Neill make short work in ten seconds of a group of hardened Central American guerillas.

Or maybe the artifact could have been resurrecting all of the guerillas that Jack would kill after 5 minutes, so he would then have to find a way to deactivate the device while fending off attacks from undead guerillas...

Last time I checked, Jack had special forces training and backup from a CIA operative. And I'm pretty sure they could've handled some scrubs with AKs. You're giving the guerillas way too much credit.

It took a while for the artifact to bring that one dude back from the dead. And even if it did bring them back, Burke had the big gun that could blow them away. Game over; scrubs lose.

Forgot to mention in my post about the ep. I was happy to hear the Evil Dead reference. That was the movie that went through my mind when I saw the zombie guy. Yay to the writers. biggrin.gif

Posted by: GromHellscream Jan 3rd 2004, 6:35 PM

dam UK you have already seen this episode i cant wait to see it

Posted by: Evane-Sam Jan 3rd 2004, 7:31 PM

QUOTE (Spacen @ Dec 30 2003, 05:16 PM)
The hostage situation was very predictable. Jack comes, Jack saves the day, Daniel gets out alive...big deal.

Well don't wanna' sound rude or something but I guess if Daniel comes up in the next ep then it's pretty sure that somehow Jack is going to save him

Posted by: dido Jan 3rd 2004, 10:48 PM

QUOTE (Ares @ Jan 3 2004, 04:44 PM)
Last time I checked, Jack had special forces training and backup from a CIA operative. And I'm pretty sure they could've handled some scrubs with AKs. You're giving the guerillas way too much credit.

It took a while for the artifact to bring that one dude back from the dead. And even if it did bring them back, Burke had the big gun that could blow them away. Game over; scrubs lose.

I'm not giving them too much credit. Such guerillas are a persistent menace in many third world countries, such as mine, and I can tell you that in real life they are nowhere near as easy to deal with. They are subjected to constant attrition that works like a Darwinian natural selection process: a group that was as stupid as those guys who captured Daniel Jackson could not have existed for as long as they would have gotten wiped out by the Honduran government long ago. Those groups that do manage to survive and endure must be made up of men at least as crafty and resourceful as any special forces soldier, perhaps even more so.

Besides, I suppose you might have noticed that my post was entirely hypothetical, how they could have written the episode. The whole episode was too freaking easy from my point of view, and lacked the kind of suspense we've come to expect from Stargate episodes. Somehow almost everything seemed to happen according to plan for a change! sad.gif

Posted by: Lit Gal Jan 3rd 2004, 10:50 PM

QUOTE (Evane-Sam @ Jan 3 2004, 07:31 PM)
QUOTE (Spacen @ Dec 30 2003, 05:16 PM)
The hostage situation was very predictable.  Jack comes, Jack saves the day, Daniel gets out alive...big deal.

Well don't wanna' sound rude or something but I guess if Daniel comes up in the next ep then it's pretty sure that somehow Jack is going to save him

I actually thought this part was fairly well done. Early in the series, Daniel really was a damsel in distress in episodes like Children of the Gods and Need. He seemed incapable of really dealing with the danger his job entailed, and he was a rotten shot. Later in the series -- Last Stand and Beast of Burden -- Daniel is far more competent. I was upset in the first half that Daniel seemed to have lost all his common sense. He didn't notice someone who must have followed him into the jungle, he didn't prepare for the inevitable trap, and he was caught without any weapon when the bad guys showed up. I was really afraid that the writers had somehow forgotten all the character growth of five years. However, hostage situation was perfect Daniel. He sat put rather than risk getting himself and Dr. Lee killed, he didn't crack when tortured, and when he knew that he had no hope of surviving, he found a way to escape on his own. He very well might have made it too, if (in classic Daniel style) he hadn't worried about Dr. Lee more than himself. I like the fact that *Daniel* saved Dr. Lee even when in nearly cost him his own life, and then *Jack* got to save Daniel. A perfect blend of action-Danny who has been in more life-threatening situations than most special forces and nerdy-Danny who can't really walk across a parking lot without getting captured.

Dido is right about Sam's mission though. I've never seen plan A work so damn well. Of course, Jack wasn't there, so maybe Jack is the one who jinxes plan A. tongue.gif

Posted by: Marticus Jan 4th 2004, 3:05 PM

QUOTE (Lit Gal @ Jan 3 2004, 10:50 PM)
I was upset in the first half that Daniel seemed to have lost all his common sense.  He didn't notice someone who must have followed him into the jungle, he didn't prepare for the inevitable trap, and he was caught without any weapon when the bad guys showed up.  I was really afraid that the writers had somehow forgotten all the character growth of five years.  However, hostage situation was perfect Daniel.  He sat put

It was an error on General Hammond's part for sending them without a proper escort. Daniel is not military. Having a weapon would not have helped. Sending the two out there alone was extremely poor judgement under the circumstances. Especially considering the value of that box.

Posted by: kitsune Jan 4th 2004, 7:03 PM

QUOTE (Marticus @ Jan 4 2004, 03:05 PM)
It was an error on General Hammond's part for sending them without a proper escort. Daniel is not military. Having a weapon would not have helped. Sending the two out there alone was extremely poor judgement under the circumstances. Especially considering the value of that box.

I don't think bringing a military escort would have been a good idea. as it was, it was dumb luck that someone found them.
if they had brought enough guys and weapons to stand up to the bad guys, many more people would have taken notice
are we even allowed to bring weapons into a foreign country?

Posted by: PAL Jan 5th 2004, 11:59 PM

While the lone SS that went after Sam & Co. was cool, I didn't find the huge army very intimidating. Maybe it is the knowledge that they will all be dead in 2 weeks and that Anubis has spent significant resources creating a temporary army and no longer has the means of making fresh SS's. If I were Anubis, I'd send that army out right away to make use of them before they fall like dominos.

Posted by: ftt Jan 7th 2004, 3:37 PM

It was a big army that Anubis had made lets hope that they find a wepon against it

Posted by: ArisBoch Jan 9th 2004, 10:54 PM

finally saw the ep (stupid US)-actually i literally just finished watching it a half hour ago. i didn't think the army actually looked all that threatening. at least, it didn't seem like there were thousands of guys there. but everybody knew it was coming, and everyone knows they'll die soon enough anyway.

i do agree that hammond should have given daniel a military escort, unless it would have drawn more attention there than necessary- in which case i would understand. they did say relations weren't all that happy, remember. having US military would just make it worse.

but all in all, good ep. any episode with bratac is bound to be good. and anubis actually looks like he could be a good bad guy, which stargate desperately needs.

Posted by: Ares Jan 9th 2004, 10:59 PM

QUOTE (ArisBoch @ Jan 9 2004, 09:54 PM)
and anubis actually looks like he could be a good bad guy, which stargate desperately needs.

He's evil enough, practically made Thoth piss his pants. Excellent, perhaps he will be even more evil as we get further along in eps.

Posted by: Virus0486 Jan 9th 2004, 11:53 PM

I thought the ep. was great. Way to go Bra'tac with the transport rings. united_states.gif bangin.gif

Posted by: thepainless Jan 10th 2004, 12:42 AM

This has to be one of the grittiest and more violent eps I have seen in awhile.
I like!! laugh.gif

Posted by: WMCoolmon Jan 10th 2004, 1:54 AM

I wasn't too impressed with the episode myself. We didn't learn a whole lot in the episode, there weren't many action scenes. I really didn't like the scene with Anubis on the balcony. The first thing I thought was, "They'd better not copy AOTC's clonetrooper scenes." Yet, they did. And, why the hell did Jacob take off the SS armor? It was able to absorb zat and staff blasts after all, and I didn't hear anything about tracking devices or health dangers.

The end with the SS and the cargo ship was great though. I loved the bit with the supersoldier getting ringed down from the cargo ship. biggrin.gif

Posted by: OutOfAbydos Jan 10th 2004, 9:03 AM

This would have made a great 3 parter... if they went with more action during the rescue in s. america and the incursion into Tarterus... still it was good though

Posted by: peta44444 Jan 10th 2004, 12:31 PM

Just got to see this ep last night. It rocked! Danny in that tank top... biggrin.gif Okay, back to reality. I thought the ep had just the right amount of action, humor, and just a touch of shippiness. Very well done; can't wait to see what happens with Anubis and all those soldiers.

P.S-When those guys started hurting Danny, I wanted to beat the crap out of them.... mad.gif....Oh and loved that guy Burke's laugh! Made me start to laugh every time!

Posted by: That Chevron Guy Jan 10th 2004, 1:28 PM

I thought it was a good episode. I laughed my ass of when Salmak, or, Carter (i dunno which one of them it was) beamed the soldier outta of the ship. THought it was the funniest thing at the time to see the ring transporters desend from the ship materialize the soldier and to watch them fly away. laugh.gif

Posted by: stargatefreak Jan 10th 2004, 3:50 PM

Awesome episode.
I was kinda dissapointed in the Daniel rescue. I was hoping for more guns blazing, Jack to the rescue type thing.
Still a good hour though. The shippyness isn't that bad. It is noticeable though.












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Posted by: Hathor Jan 11th 2004, 12:23 AM

i enjoyed the episode. i liked the on earthness. and jack comeing to rescue daniel. though it would have been cool if he opened up a couple more cans of whoopass. and my final comment is: shippers delight

Posted by: thepainless Jan 11th 2004, 2:27 AM

It was kind of cool seeing Jack doing "old fashion" earthly special ops cool.gif
Quite enjoyable.

Posted by: smellycorpse Jan 11th 2004, 3:08 AM

I'm glad the wait is over.. it was a great finisher to a two part eps. Can't wait for more..smile.gif

Posted by: dorien Jan 11th 2004, 9:06 AM

Maybe after six and a half seasons I've gotten too used to our heroes getting out of whatever trouble they manage to get themselves into. As Sam once said "You've read our mission files. We go through the Gate, get into trouble, get out of it, we go home." And so it was. Except the adventure this time was without suspense or intrigue. In fact it was quite dull..."What a nice shade of gray. How about some white bread with mayonnaise? Wanna watch golf on television?" I didn't like Evolution Part 1 and have already said so. But I didn't have as harsh a reaction to this second part perhaps because I knew it would be a continuation of a couple weak plot points. So not expecting much I wasn't disappointed. Just a bit bored.

QUOTE (Aesir @ Dec 15 2003, 04:38 PM)
I also found it really funny when that Goa'uld confronted Sam, Jacob and Teal'c. He had the advantage that they didn't know he was behind them, so he says "fools" before raising his hand device and so Teal'c just turns around and zats him and Carter finishes him off with her P90.  classic Goa'uld stupidity

I saw this scene in a different light. Sam, Jacob and Teal'c are sneaking about the lair of Anubis trying to remain undetected and surreptitiously gather intel. They look over the balcony and see the legions of Bionicles. laugh.gif Excuse me, "Kull Warriors". Thoth comes up behind them. Yes, it was foolish to announce himself but then Sam responded in kind and had an idiot moment herself. Gun fire is NOT stealthy. The only thing that saved them is that it appears the "Super" Soldiers run "Super" slow.

QUOTE (andy4an @ Jan 4 2004, 07:03 PM)
QUOTE (Marticus @ Jan 4 2004, 03:05 PM)
It was an error on General Hammond's part for sending them without a proper escort. ......... Sending the two out there alone was extremely poor judgement under the circumstances. Especially considering the value of that box.
I don't think bringing a military escort would have been a good idea. as it was, it was dumb luck that someone found them. if they had brought enough guys and weapons to stand up to the bad guys, many more people would have taken notice are we even allowed to bring weapons into a foreign country?

Exactly my complaint Marticus. I'm going to ignore the whole kidnap/zombie part of the story because it makes my eyes roll. rolleyes.gif As for an escort and weapons...as Jack has said in the past "We do covert" and "It's been done before".

I liked that someone from Jack's past was brought into play. But the old "our pal Woods (who being dead can't contradict this) was a traitor and I did what I did not only to save us but also to spare his wife and let her keep his pension (cue the violins)" excuse just didn't float with me. I liked it better when Burke's actions/motives in the friendly fire incident were ambiguous. By making him the unjustly convicted noble friend and comrade, the relationship lacked the tension or relevance that was present with Cromwell.

QUOTE (Ares @ Dec 25 2003, 11:51 PM)
No shippyness in the ep. Saying good luck and be safe is nothing. If that's called shippy, then y'all are getting really, really desperate.

Shippyness isn't about the actual words they say. It's the tone of voice and the eye contact and the body language. It's subtle subtext. And in this regard I found the last scene of this ep the most openly shippy moment of the series. I know there's a list of moments, most from season 4, but this one had more impact because it didn't involve an alternate reality or a time loop or a memory stamp or an imminent death. It was just Jack and Sam standing there appreciating each other. And judging by their apparent good humor and the laugh you hear as they leave the gateroom, RDA and AT knew exactly what they had achieved with that scene.

I am curious what the thinking was with Sam's injury. She's been thrown against walls with the ribbon device and walked away unhurt. But here she was smacked upside the head, presumably with considerable force, and knocked to her left across the ship but her right arm was hurt? huh.gif Was part of this scene cut perhaps?

It was good to see a new ep but ho-hum. I did have a really good bowl of cheesy popcorn though. (I'd add a happy smilie here but three's the limit.)

Posted by: RebelGoua'uld Jan 11th 2004, 3:22 PM

Bravo! This was an excellent episode, and i loved the major foreshadowing for the sam/jack thing. I think this ep has made my list of favorites. Oh, and i can't wait for Grace after the preview, there needs to be more spoilers! I'm impatient! smile.gif

Posted by: DrFraiser Jan 11th 2004, 9:21 PM

Dorien,

Great post and observations. I agree this twofer wasn't great. It was very ho hum. You knew when Jack went to get Daniel he would safely rescue him. Zero on the suspense factor.

The scene with Sam, Jacob and Teal'c in Anubis' fortress was rediculous. Laying low getting intel then shooting thier guns and without getting hardly noticed. Bah.

Somewhere along the line show has lost its "mojo." The storylines have lost the compellingness and edge it used to have. Maybe the cast is bored, maybe they've run out of ideas. Maybe as a viewer I've seen it before and its lost its newness as you pointed out.

I for one almost think Season 6's Full Circle should've wrapped the series. Season 7 thusfar has been mediocre at best and terrible (Birthright) at times.

I hate to see a great series fall as it has.

Posted by: Aesir Jan 12th 2004, 5:44 AM

QUOTE (DrFraiser @ Jan 12 2004, 02:21 AM)
You knew when Jack went to get Daniel he would safely rescue him. Zero on the suspense factor.

Of course, we all know that it's unlikely that they are going to kill Daniel again and some of us may have even known that he had signed up for Season 8 and therefore couldn't die. However, saying this is just like saying you always know that SG-1 will escape from whatever dire situation they are in together because otherwise the show couldn't continue... you can have an idea of the ending but still have suspense. I do however agree that this particular plotline perhaps didn't have as much suspense as normal sad.gif

QUOTE (DrFraiser @ Jan 12 2004, 02:21 AM)
Somewhere along the line show has lost its "mojo." The storylines have lost the compellingness and edge it used to have. Maybe the cast is bored, maybe they've run out of ideas. Maybe as a viewer I've seen it before and its lost its newness as you pointed out.

I too have been a little dissappointed by Season 7 so far, but from reading the spoilers I have high hopes that it will pick up in the latter half of the season... some of the episodes sound as though they are going to be excellent biggrin.gif Having said that however, I'm still enjoying the season... it's just dissappointing compared to other seasons (which I found excellent).

Posted by: SG-15 Jan 12th 2004, 5:15 PM

It was alright, but like others have said the show has lost some of it's suspence. But I'm also looking foward to the 2nd half of the season. Especialy The Lost City and the spin-off. They've needed a new evil race to face for some time.

Posted by: Bonzai Jan 14th 2004, 2:55 PM

i would say it ok .. whistling.gif

Posted by: ChibiSam Jan 15th 2004, 12:00 PM

QUOTE (dorien @ Jan 11 2004, 09:06 AM)
Shippyness isn't about the actual words they say. It's the tone of voice and the eye contact and the body language. It's subtle subtext. And in this regard I found the last scene of this ep the most openly shippy moment of the series. I know there's a list of moments, most from season 4, but this one had more impact because it didn't involve an alternate reality or a time loop or a memory stamp or an imminent death. It was just Jack and Sam standing there appreciating each other. And judging by their apparent good humor and the laugh you hear as they leave the gateroom, RDA and AT knew exactly what they had achieved with that scene.


I think dorien summed it up well. I think most sensible shippers (yes there are some out there) realize they can't get together until the end of the show. All we really want is just a few discreet scenes of shippiness peppered throughout the show. I liked the end for that reason. Very low key shippiness. Just enough to make the shippers scream in delight, but the nonshippers go 'huh, that was a shippy moment?".

Overall I liked the second part much better than the first and I would say it was one of the better episodes this season. I do hope they talk about the artifact some more.

I liked the scene with Anubis and his SS. Was a bit AOTC, but I think they did a good job. As always any episode with Jacob and Bray'tac is really good. I like seeing the two of them together.

Posted by: Chaka Jan 15th 2004, 9:34 PM

At the end of the episode when they ring that super Jaffa out of the ship, it can't ring anymore. Right?

Posted by: Aesir Jan 16th 2004, 12:13 PM

QUOTE (Chaka @ Jan 16 2004, 02:34 AM)
At the end of the episode when they ring that super Jaffa out of the ship, it can't ring anymore. Right?

Well, the rings got ripped off, but this might not mean anything major - we don't know. We don't really know for sure how the rings work and it may well be that they are created/projected by the ring transporter itself and therefore them getting damaged might not make a difference as long as the original platform/controls were in tact (it could generate more). Given that the rings aren't connected yet seem to float in the air, it doesn't seem that unlikely to me.

Posted by: Heru'ur Jan 16th 2004, 6:53 PM

I felt that this episode, well part 1 and 2, were some of the best of the season. Finding new powerful pieces of technology always brighten up an episode. I wonder what they are going to do with it. Its too bad that they didnt tell us right away, but i guess they are waiting for another episode to reveal its true purpose.

Posted by: SlavsyaRossiya Jan 19th 2004, 3:20 PM

I didn't like this episode too much, mainly because I have a thing against Central America.
I hate jungles and insurgents and blah blah....

Posted by: Gramner Jan 28th 2004, 2:25 AM

I think this was a very nice episode. Three interesting storylines and alot of good dialogue. Also i liked the fact that they actually filmed in real exotic location in some real jungle instead of the forests of vancouver wink.gif it looked really nice.

And i just love those classical stargate moments: "a comment, looong pause, confusion... huh"
and all that sci-fi parody too. Just like in the end of this ep: (can't remember the lines exactly but hopefully you know what i mean anyway)

Daniel: We turned it off now (the ancient healing device)
O'neill: Are you sure it's turned off?
The other scientist: We think so. At least it's not glowing anymore
Daniel: Yea, the glowing thing kinda gave it away.

I laughed alot at that
Why is it that in sci-fi every alien device always glows when it's activated? wink.gif

Good stuff.

Posted by: kitsune Jan 28th 2004, 2:29 AM

QUOTE (Gramner @ Jan 28 2004, 02:25 AM)
Why is it that in sci-fi every alien device always glows when it's activated?

haha, i like that. well every human device has a light on the front, maybe it's just to let them know it's on...

Posted by: Aesir Jan 29th 2004, 4:46 PM

QUOTE (Gramner @ Jan 28 2004, 07:25 AM)
Why is it that in sci-fi every alien device always glows when it's activated?

As andy4an says, it is most probably just the creators of the devices thinking along the same lines that we do - a light or indicator to tell the user when the device is working is a nice simple way of providing feedback to the user. Of course, many devices may naturally give off a glow or some amount of light as a by-product of their function (or that may even be the function itself smile.gif).

Posted by: Lit Gal Jan 30th 2004, 10:06 PM

In the case of this, I would think it has to do something to indicate it's on, so the logical choices would be 1)make noise 2)vibrate or 3)glow or visually change. Since vibrating doesn't show up on TV and noise would be annoying, I think it's reasonable to show the glowing.

I was just rewatching Prodigy, and I noticed that Dr. Lee is in that too. He managed to run away and leave a wounded man. This time, he slows Daniel down and gets Daniel shot mad.gif I don't think I would take him on any more missions.

Posted by: General's daughter Mar 8th 2004, 3:59 PM

I thought this episode really expored the abilities of this show. The two storylines running along side with Carter investigating the 'super solider' and O'Neal searching the jungles for Daniel.
Incorporating exploring Earth into the program really stood out.
Full of excitement, explosions and suspense as any good SG1 episode should be. c_crazy.gif

Posted by: Lezlow Mar 12th 2004, 8:52 AM

I really enjoyed this episode. For one we find a device and daniel gets free (of course). I also enjoyed how it showed how strong daniel actually is. He would not succumb to their torture which i liked. I also like how the writers introduced how strong anubis really is. I think that the super soldiers were a great idea even though it looks like a bunch of Darth Vadors running around. Im still waiting to see them pull out lightsabers.

Bad sides of the episode. I dont like how we manage to stop anubis' power to make more super soldiers. We alwasy manage to fudge stuff up. I think that he should have been able to make as many as the buggers as he wants. Just so we can kill him in the end and make a better battle at the end.

Posted by: soma_momma Apr 3rd 2004, 10:16 PM

Okay, I just read or skimmed all 4 pages of this thread, and nobody commented on the campy scene when Jack & Co. found Regelio, Daniel's guide who'd been supposedly shot dead in part 1. After being tied up in the jungle wounded for 3 days, he's clean, peppy, doesn't need a drink of water, and they're going to leave him to get rescued, hopefully in another hour. Is this just the show making fun of itself?

And I guess Daniel and friend, after having no water for 3 days, were literally running on adrenaline?

And am I the only one assuming that there is now at least one zombie rebel wandering around in Nicaragua?

Yeah, I know, it's only a tv show. When they get punched or cut, there's never any swelling or loss of teeth. And when the bad guys warn the good guys about bad guys' evil plans, that's just par for the tv course.

But I'm surprised no one brought up these items.

Oh, and yes, IMO, shippiness at the end.

Posted by: Mac.Fan Apr 25th 2004, 7:30 AM

Jackwent to find Daniel. Before he left he went and see Sam to let her know that he was leaving to find himand to wish her good lucky for the misson. Sam did the same also. Teal'c,Sam,Jacob and bra'tec manage to get to where anubis is and found a army of super soilders. They manage to get out alive but one of thSS got on board the ship but they manage to get rid of it thought the rings. In the end when they all got back and found daniel was there with hammonad and Jack. Jack said"did you miss me"(with a smile). Sam said"yes sir" witha smile also. cloud9.gif But Sam had to give them some bad news about the SS.

Posted by: Lord Malice Aug 22nd 2004, 6:09 AM

Ive finaly seen this episode and it was pretty good. Loved Burke"thats so crazy!" . I also the little look into jacks past. Jack was in black ops for a long time, and I'd like to see more figures from his past. Seeing Anubises seceret base was a teat for me. Daniels bad luck continues to amaze me. No wonder he is dead in those alternate realities.

Posted by: Zatnik Sep 14th 2004, 10:34 AM

I could say a lot about this episode. I really like that while still on earth, the episode is set in such a different place that it is as exiting as being offworld - you still get the culture factor. Also, it can link easier to the worlds current situations more convincingly and easily that those episodes like... I don't remember the name. [hehe, my computer won't click the clickable smilies! Yes, emoticons ARE enabled. wink.gif I typed this one] I tried to talk about this episode on the chat but nobody was interested. My favoutite scene is when Jack/hisFriend and Daniel/his Friend are both running around in pairs through the bush. I was totallyy confused as to which pair was which. At first I actually thought it was some sort of messup where they had done to days of shooting with different clothes in each...I also love the two converging semi-stories - the episode cuts from daniel to jack and back again untill they finnally meet up. That sort of thing irritates the hell out of me in books, but it was really enjoyable here.
Summary; Confusing but fun.

Hooray for Western Australia - We saw it before Victoria. This being one of the first episodes since SG1 came back on this September, I love it all the more.

Ooi - more [As i said, clicky things are not working so I can only hope i remember the quoteiness - don't worry, i preveiwed]

QUOTE
First Lieutenant ChibiSamPosted: Jan 15th 2004, 12:00 PM
Very low key shippiness. Just enough to make the shippers scream in delight, but the nonshippers go 'huh, that was a shippy moment?".

Yes, although it took me a while to figure out your[gen] terminoutogy [shippy? oh, thats right, i remember now!] as soon as i did so i thought of a little personal anecdote. I was sitting on a lovly wool rug infront of a big tv showing STARGATE (!!) and there was that particular scene. I said somthing to the effect of 'yay, Jack/Sam romance starting again, if very subtle,' to which my lovely wonderfull mother who likes to read over my shoulder said "oh, are they? how can you tell?" or somesuch. I just thought that illustrated what ChibiSam said really well... Oh, I so overdid this post...

Posted by: Evo Nov 15th 2004, 4:11 PM

It's only been an episode away, and how come Jack started to act very strangely with Carter? When Jack told Sam that he was going after Daniel, it was like Sam was concern or something..

When the dead guy was revived, it reminded me of something.. Resident Evil lol. Dead zombie who knows how to use a gun lol. laugh.gif It was awesome seeing the army of Anubis; I wonder how SG1 are gonna manage to pull it off my destorying all of them unsure.gif


Posted by: invisible painting Nov 15th 2004, 4:17 PM

QUOTE
It was awesome seeing the army of Anubis; I wonder how SG1 are gonna manage to pull it off my destorying all of them

Itll probably just be tem destroying the ships theyre in though rather then just destroying them all, its simpler that way and thats how it will happen

Posted by: Dr Sam Nov 23rd 2004, 12:07 PM

I don't believe it! I'd been waiting all week for this ep to air after the 'to be continued...' from last week and they went and scrapped it from the listings to cover some bloody pop concert thing. mad.gif Bastards!!! T4 has just dropped even further in my estimations (and that's saying something!). It'd better be on on Sunday!

Posted by: Dafmeister Nov 23rd 2004, 2:16 PM

QUOTE (Dr Sam @ Nov 23rd 2004, 6:07 PM)
I don't believe it! I'd been waiting all week for this ep to air after the 'to be continued...' from last week and they went and scrapped it from the listings to cover some bloody pop concert thing. mad.gif Bastards!!! T4 has just dropped even further in my estimations (and that's saying something!). It'd better be on on Sunday!

At least it was scrapped for a good cause. The concert was for 'Children In Need'. I dont mind episodes being scrapped if the programme replacing it is for a good cause. Its not going to hurt if you dont see SG1 for one week.

Posted by: Dr Sam Nov 25th 2004, 11:46 AM

Didn't realise it was for C in N - I guess, like you say, it's Ok seeing as it's for a good cause! smile.gif

Posted by: Nnahrino Nov 25th 2004, 7:51 PM

i didnt realise the T4 smash hits party was for C in N.. u sure?

Posted by: Dr Sam Dec 1st 2004, 2:58 PM

Just in case any C4 viewers are interested, the series is scheduled to continue on 12/12/04 at 4:10pm (UK time) with a double episode. Whether that's a re-run of Evolution 1 followed by Evolution 2 or Evolution 2 followed by Grace, I'm not sure. But either way, it should be good!!

Posted by: Dr Sam Dec 16th 2004, 8:26 AM

Finally seen it! Yay!! Great ep!

I'm glad I read through the other posts for this ep because it cleard a few things up for me. I think there were maybe some scenes cut for the 'Sunday teatime' channel 4 version, which left me very confused in places! crying.gif Like the 'zombie' geurilla - I'm assuming he was killed by the gang leader for wanting to turn off the device and brought back to life by the artifact? Well, you never saw him get killed so suddenly he just wakes up with white eyes and goes on a rampage...had me wondering what the hell was going on! And did the other gang members shoot him sucessfully? Again, if they killed him it wasn't shown, so when Jack rescued Daniel I was half expecting the zombie dude to come up behind them - only Daniel saying that there weren't any more confirmed that he must be dead.

It was definately nice to have more Jack. I felt really sorry for Burke. Poor guy! Trying to help out a former-comrade's family and ending up with a crap posting because of it!

Right from when Jacob said he thought there were at least a handful of super soldiers I just knew we were going to get a shot looking down onto a massed army of them - guess I watch too much sci-fi! The SS are a formidable enemy, IMO. Like the replicators before them, they are menacing because they are (at least at the moment) indestructible. I was honestly really scared when that stray one got on the ship - if they hadn't have been able to ring it out (funny!) they'd have been totally screwed! I don't think the fact that they only survive a short time detracts from the terror that much. If you're face to face with one then 'hang on in there, it'll be dead in a couple of weeks' isn't really going to help!

Nice scenes with Jack and Sam. I'm with Dorien on the shippyness (good explanation, BTW) - just enough to keep the shippers hopeful but not too in your face for the anti-shippers.

Oh yes - sorry for the long post. And for double posting - although the previous one was like a fornight ago!

Posted by: frostychocolatemilkshakes Jan 26th 2005, 1:07 AM

Good action sequences. And take that Anubis! A small blow but it felt so good. Too bad the army of supersoldiers put a damper on things!

Posted by: mini_jack Feb 23rd 2005, 2:39 AM

i liked this episode it had zombies in it 1.gif but it is good that we found out that the anchients in part created the sarcofigus tecnology

Posted by: CitizenK Mar 27th 2005, 4:43 PM

I just caught this episode in re-run and you know, I forgot how much fun this was.

Mostly, I had no idea that was Enrico Collatoni (I hope I spelled his name right) playing Agent Burke !!!! Gosh, I didn't recognize him the first time I saw this. I only just noticed.

Didn't you folks recognise Elliot from "Just Shoot Me" or the alien he played in Galaxy Quest !! And he was great ! I loved his one liner about the Evil Dead to Jack at the end after he blew up the zombie. What happened to Burke ? now, there's a character I would have liked to have seen turn up again in another episode. Did he get the cushy job in a temperate zone like Jack promised ??

And one of my favorite Teal'c lines... Bra'tac "Are you hurt ?" reply, "Yes, in my pride !"... loved his reaction. But, you've got to figure that Master Bra'tac would know what to do.

fun ep.


Posted by: Auntie Em! Mar 27th 2005, 6:28 PM

Hey CitizenK, I like that character also. On the DVD extras I think there was talk about bring him back somehow in the future. They liked the interaction between the characters and the acters playing them. I hope they do!

LF

Posted by: starryeyes Oct 11th 2005, 11:44 AM

Loved this episode. Great action scenes. So the device re-animates corpses. Forget about the super soldiers, an army of zombies can be formidable as well. 1.gif Loved the concept of the super soldier BTW. Loved the humorous aspects of the episode especially when Daniel slids away from the device at the end. M. Shanks is sure looking buff. w00t.gif

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