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Stargate Information Archive _ Atlantis Season 3 _ 317 - Sunday
Posted by: Arcady Dec 10th 2006, 12:23 PM
Season 3, Episode 17 - Sunday
Air date: 2007
An average Sunday afternoon in Atlantis is anything but ordinary after a bomb explodes.
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Posted by: Anubis drone Jan 16th 2007, 10:20 AM
Hey, first poster! 
This was SG-1's "Heroes" all over again. I liked it though, but it seems a fair enough confirmation the series (not just the season) is going to end
Posted by: kalad Jan 16th 2007, 1:34 PM
noooooooo!! they killed Carson!! come on!!! What The F**k!!! what do you people have against doctors... aspecially Carson!! This show sucks..... 
Posted by: AngelofDarkness34994 Jan 16th 2007, 5:18 PM
noooooooo!! they killed Carson!! come on!!! What The F**k!!! what do you people have against doctors... aspecially Carson!! This show sucks.....
Seriously I still can't believe they killed Carson.
Posted by: Cereal13killer Jan 16th 2007, 5:20 PM
I don't think they're ending the series quite yet (As far as I know they've been signed to do another season). Also, I read someplace (probably on this site) that there have been long-standing plans to kill Dr. Beckett off... For whatever reason.
The episode itself wasn't great and basically foretold Dr. Beckett's death halfway through. The end with Rodney was touching, and left it open for some sort of Ascention story line later in the series, but it just didn't feel like a real, gutwretching, major-character death episode. (Exploding tumours? Come on!). It was basically a means to an end to kill off a character to have the sad little moment with Carson and Rodney at the end of the episode.
The episode could have been done much better with the same end.
Posted by: Revan Jan 16th 2007, 5:51 PM
Hey, first poster!
This was SG-1's "Heroes" all over again. I liked it though, but it seems a fair enough confirmation the series (not just the season) is going to end
Nope, given there is a 4th season coming.
I thought this was a great episode, top notch. I was hoping for bagpipes...
We got to see that these characters have lives of their own, and there is much going on behind the scenes that we see none of. I guess it tells us that we should appreciate every moment, because we never know what might come along.
Posted by: NoTTy Jan 16th 2007, 6:15 PM
I don't think they're ending the series quite yet (As far as I know they've been signed to do another season). Also, I read someplace (probably on this site) that there have been long-standing plans to kill Dr. Beckett off... For whatever reason.
The episode itself wasn't great and basically foretold Dr. Beckett's death halfway through. The end with Rodney was touching, and left it open for some sort of Ascention story line later in the series, but it just didn't feel like a real, gutwretching, major-character death episode. (Exploding tumours? Come on!). It was basically a means to an end to kill off a character to have the sad little moment with Carson and Rodney at the end of the episode.
The episode could have been done much better with the same end.
why not exploding tumors??? there are wraiths... there are goaould.... whats ur point??
nice episode... >=D
Posted by: Xen Jan 16th 2007, 6:38 PM
Great ep, except I think they should of gone into more detail about the tech. I was getting lost at first, also who was the guy the Wier had lunch with?
Posted by: Revan Jan 16th 2007, 6:52 PM
Great ep, except I think they should of gone into more detail about the tech. I was getting lost at first, also who was the guy the Wier had lunch with?
I believe he is a scientist, who likes Weir.
I liked the conversation McKay had with Brown...
About marriage and such... that was so awkward, and he did a poor job of explaining his meaning...Why not, "I meant that I would like to get married one day in the future, just not right now"... seriously...
Posted by: Xen Jan 16th 2007, 8:54 PM
Ah, thats what I thought. They should of showed him, before that EP though. Was confused, seeing that happen. I still can't belive they killed Carson.
Posted by: Revan Jan 16th 2007, 9:01 PM
Ah, thats what I thought. They should of showed him, before that EP though. Was confused, seeing that happen. I still can't belive they killed Carson.
What didn't you understand? The random scientist that had the hotts for Weir?
I felt bad that Teyla's friend Dr. Houston got killed, and, that they didn't do anything more with what Ronon said about Sheppard and Teyla. I wanted at least some nuance between Shep and Teyla to come of the revelation, and of Beckett's death.
Posted by: Xen Jan 16th 2007, 9:03 PM
Yeah, and the fact they just threw that in. Yeah, I felt bad to.
Posted by: Revan Jan 16th 2007, 9:57 PM
Yeah, and the fact they just threw that in. Yeah, I felt bad to.
Well Weir should have a personal life too.
Posted by: snoop1050 Jan 16th 2007, 11:04 PM
another boring atlantis episode i cant even remember the last good atlantis episode anymore 
Posted by: Protoziggy90 Jan 16th 2007, 11:09 PM
I thought that the episode was of great quality. Though this has been said, and will be said many more times, I can't believe they killed Carson. What was the reasoning behind that?! And what is this I hear about there having been plans to kill Carson for some time?
On a seperate note, though I myself doubt it, I present the question:
Did Carson ascend or is that just wishful thinking? Because that last scene on the pier was interesting. Do you think McKay would really be talking to himself?
I also feel so terrible for McKay, who will forever live with this on his shoulders...
Posted by: Lagger Jan 16th 2007, 11:43 PM
we all know mackays got issues, and if he did ascend how come they got a body to send back??
Posted by: Protoziggy90 Jan 16th 2007, 11:55 PM
we all know mackays got issues, and if he did ascend how come they got a body to send back??
Well McKay does have issues... But as far as the body goes, there may infact be a lack of a body, which could be a reason why McKay hesitated to actually say the word 'body' to Ronin at the end. It may seem obvious to most that that hesitation was just due to the shock of the situation, but TPTB, if they ever wanted to bring Carson back, could use that as an excuse...
Posted by: Revan Jan 17th 2007, 12:12 AM
On a seperate note, though I myself doubt it, I present the question:
Did Carson ascend or is that just wishful thinking? Because that last scene on the pier was interesting. Do you think McKay would really be talking to himself?
I also feel so terrible for McKay, who will forever live with this on his shoulders...
I don't think the end sequence was real... I think it was all in Rodney's head. He wanted to say goodbye very badly, so he imagined himself doing it.
TBH, I really didn't feel their pain... the pain of loss, the void caused by a death... I didn't get as sad as I should have for that type of episode.
Posted by: Lagger Jan 17th 2007, 2:32 AM
hmmmph....... so true....
he hesiatated before he said body....
and beckett always seems so... calm + rational.... almost like daniel...,
but i thought ascension needed the physical component which we dont ahve , / need help with?
Posted by: Ben64 Jan 17th 2007, 2:41 AM
Posted by: rkenshin Jan 17th 2007, 3:19 AM
Damn, I hate it when they pollute the ocean with those golfballs.. Couldn't they just whack them through the Stargate?
Posted by: JTMAG1 Jan 17th 2007, 3:37 AM
I thought this episode was done very well. I was extremly entertained and deeply saddened. As soon as they showed the guy with teh disposal kit, I knew he was going to die, but I had no idea about Beckett.
Some things that bugged were the fact there 5 people died that day, and only one had a memorial. The two scientist were cataloging the lab in the middle of the night, alone. In 'Tao of Rodney' they had an entire team of people.
I wonder how they are going to handle the replacement situation.
Posted by: GateShip#1 Jan 17th 2007, 4:06 AM
man, this sucks! why carson man! his cool! but the episode was good.
Posted by: Protoziggy90 Jan 17th 2007, 7:45 AM
It occurred to me while re-watching the episode that Carson shouldn't really have died in that explosion. If you compare the explosion size in the hall to the one at the beginning in the mess hall, Carson shouldn't have taken any more damage to himself than Teyla did at the beginning. The only explanation I could think of was that the second explosion was much bigger... Any thoughts?
Posted by: Pitry Jan 17th 2007, 8:10 AM
The irnoy of it all is, Sunday is probably the best Atlantis episode aired to date.
Loved every second of this (even the ones that got me whimpering). So many things the show so desperately needed were addressed here. I loved the format of the episode, keeping you on your toes and yet managing to convey everything else, as well.
Elizabeth having a personal life - well, I thought that Mike bloke was a tad bit smug, but hey! They make a nice couple 
. Teyla, shown to have activities with other Earth personal - hey, if they actually bothered to show this side of her more often, I wouldn't've complained so much at how non-alien she is. She's always struck me as so much Earth-ised, os early in the show. But if she's seen in her every day life, inserted into scenarios that allow her to make comments that show the cultural difference, this could actually work. Here's to more day to day interaction for her. Loved the Weir half cancelling on Teyla, half begging her not to let her cancel Finally, the long awaited interaction between the two of them. I think they do get along well together, and it could have been so much help for Teyla's character, giving her this every one in a while (small sigh).
Sheppard and Ronon. Again, sorely missed til now. Yes, we've seen these two together. This was more a continuation of a relationship than the first portrayel of one... but it was done in a great, contributing way. They do sit around and talk. They do play together - loved Ronon's "game" ha! I'm actually thinking they're finally starting finding their footing around Ronon, starting to see his point. the character really is starting to make more sense.... more on that front as well, please.
Rodney... dating! Ahhhh! And that reference to McKay and Mrs Miller... yes, the character is growing, is evolving... I love Rodney's insane hysteria, but seeing him stumbling on a whole different dimension is just as well. Plus, this interaction with Katie finally corrected what is one of my biggest pet peeves about Duet - Rodney can interact with people, and he's shown it plenty of times before, and here he is, acting like a human being, a guy who really likes a girl, and not the stupid caricature of Duet. And his speech when wakened from sleep - genius!
Lorne painting! Zelenka's chess games! ha!
And yeah. Carson. Sigh. So I was exposed to the news he does die, and doesn't "disappear" as had been stated before, before the episode. Part of the reaosn for whimpering - when it became clear how the Rodney-Carson interaction's going to go, Rodney trying to get off fishing and p[romising him to go next week... yup, one of the whimpering moments. I can't believe they did something like to Rodney. That scene with Ronon - well, at least they used it. As a whole, Carson was so charming in this episode, sniff. And sigh, that last scene. Yes, it was pure cheese, Carson's "ghost" - or rather, memory... but it should have been there, at least in some form, if not with the full cheese of it. A shame they're utilising Carsopn so well in the one episode he's being killed off, and not in the entire season.
As for the stupid "explosive tumor" excuse... oh, come on. SG1 had always had the grace not to use stupid pklot devices - well, most of the time. I can see - and agree - why they didn't wan tto make this a bomber episode. That wasn;t the centre of the episode, it would have stolen the story into a direction they shouldn't've gone to, not in this episode. But there must have been a better way than explosive tumors. Sigh.
Stargate's always killed characters well, I'd grant them that. And Sunday was no exception, an excellent episode, and an excellent goodbye to a fantastic character. But Stargate Atlantis, at the place it's right now with characters, cannot afford killing off one of its better established characters - a mistake that hopefully whoever made that stupid decision would realise. Now there's only hoping they would be wise enough to utilise this death in the better way - following the Daniel Jackson example - and not the worse way - following the Janet Frasier and the complete lack of mention for a season and a half example. They could actually use this to give some beef and humanity to those characters who lack it most.
excellent, cruel, wonderful, heart jerking, and the best SGA episode I've seen. More of those please - just without the killing major characters part.
Posted by: Protoziggy90 Jan 17th 2007, 8:58 AM
I couldn't agree more with you Pitry except on one point. I believe this episode to be tied for best with Tao of Rodney. This one just had a more emotional aspect.
Just wondering though, does anyone know why they actually killed Carson? Was there a problem signing Paul McGillion? Did he want to leave the show?
Posted by: Pitry Jan 17th 2007, 1:21 PM
no one knows. And they're not going to tell, apparently. And when peopel do ask for clarification they're told by Joe mallozzi they're shrill and ill informed lemmings.
Ah, I shouldn't complain about that comment, it generated so much fun for me in the past 24 hours.
Tao of Rodney - this one is definitely in my top 5 episodes, prolly top 3. I just love both Tao and Real World, almost as much as I lvoed Sunday. God, tehy make such gread episodes this year!
Posted by: poundpuppy29 Jan 17th 2007, 2:10 PM
I just watched and why did they have to kill Beckett Why? I just thought of way to maybe bring him back doesn't he have the Ancient Gene so maybe he asended? So maybe he can desend like Daniel did. Because Rodney went through the Ancient process of almost asending that's why he had that dream Beckett was a pure person right I would say he is pure of spirit but he is a very caring person and he might have problems with the non interfering and want to help. I did like the Ep I liked the games that Ronon and Sheppard played that was funny. I think the reason Elizabeth pulled back is from Mike is because she likes Sheppard but that's IMHO. I liked we found out Sheppard was married before that was cool some back story is better than none. I agree it was nice to see Teyla talking to people other than her team and have personal relationships I think it is Ronon she is waiting for to make the first move when he is ready.
Posted by: Otaku_Smeghead Jan 17th 2007, 2:40 PM
I just watched and why did they have to kill Beckett Why? I just thought of way to maybe bring him back doesn't he have the Ancient Gene so maybe he asended? So maybe he can desend like Daniel did. Because Rodney went through the Ancient process of almost asending that's why he had that dream Beckett was a pure person right I would say he is pure of spirit but he is a very caring person and he might have problems with the non interfering and want to help. I did like the Ep I liked the games that Ronon and Sheppard played that was funny. I think the reason Elizabeth pulled back is from Mike is because she likes Sheppard but that's IMHO. I liked we found out Sheppard was married before that was cool some back story is better than none. I agree it was nice to see Teyla talking to people other than her team and have personal relationships I think it is Ronon she is waiting for to make the first move when he is ready.
Was this shown in Canada First!?!? I didnt see it on the Calander or was it on Sky?
Posted by: AngelofDarkness34994 Jan 17th 2007, 3:01 PM
Great episode, considering they killed one of my third favorite character Carson, which Im stilled p-ee-d off about and injured my first favorite character Teyla. I really and going to miss Carson and even though I will continue to watch I don't think the show will be the same with him gone.
Posted by: KillerMarv Jan 17th 2007, 3:16 PM
What an episode... I liked how they made the story from more than one point of view, by tracking each of the main characters on their day off... And I like it that Beckett die making a sacrifice, saving a life, just like Frasier died in Season 7 of SG-1... And finally, the ending, Rodney and all of us actually saying good-bye to a very close friend. What I didn't like is the fact that they killed him off, but I guess that these episodes usually mark the evolution of a TV show.
I give this episode 89/100...
Posted by: graba Jan 17th 2007, 3:33 PM
i must say that that episode realy sucked ... i hate the few hours back thing for each team member and then the last thing what is coing to happend ... it looks like they just are out of ideas for the show that they made this episode
Posted by: puseyuk Jan 17th 2007, 4:20 PM
Was this shown in Canada First!?!? I didnt see it on the Calander or was it on Sky?
Sky One on the 21st of Feb 2007 at 8pm
Posted by: JTMAG1 Jan 17th 2007, 4:24 PM
i must say that that episode realy sucked ... i hate the few hours back thing for each team member and then the last thing what is coing to happend ... it looks like they just are out of ideas for the show that they made this episode
They weren't out of idea. Things happen in life, that make poeple change jobs, or quite, or get laid off. The same is true for actors, and when a life change like that is necessary, the writers are charged with the duty of making the tranistion occur smoothly in the show. They did it for Daniel, and Frasier, and Carson, and I think they've done a great job each time.
Posted by: Lagger Jan 17th 2007, 7:24 PM
It occurred to me while re-watching the episode that Carson shouldn't really have died in that explosion. If you compare the explosion size in the hall to the one at the beginning in the mess hall, Carson shouldn't have taken any more damage to himself than Teyla did at the beginning. The only explanation I could think of was that the second explosion was much bigger... Any thoughts?
hmmph.... first explosion came from a female?... mabye this guy got more dose of the radiation.. maybe his tumour is a lot bigger? so many damn variables...
and maybe he did ascend?
Posted by: Protoziggy90 Jan 17th 2007, 7:31 PM
hmmph.... first explosion came from a female?... mabye this guy got more dose of the radiation.. maybe his tumour is a lot bigger? so many damn variables...
I'm thinking that maybe since the guy had the tumor much longer before it exploded, it may have grown more and therefore was a bigger explosion... It also occured to me that because the second explosion was in a hallway and not a large and open room, the explosion may have been more concentrated and contained within the hall, and thats why you see Carson get engulfed in the flames...
Posted by: GateShip#1 Jan 17th 2007, 8:22 PM
Is it me or when Carson was speaking to the female doctor, doesnt she look like the one from "Fallout" jonas girlfriend?
and is she the new lead doctor?
Posted by: SG-soldja Jan 17th 2007, 8:29 PM
Now that Carson is dead, who's gonna take his place?...as in the role of a doctor, I mean someone is gonna get shot one way or another lol.
Posted by: Otaku_Smeghead Jan 17th 2007, 8:57 PM
Sky One on the 21st of Feb 2007 at 8pm
If this ep airs on the 21st of Feb how are you all talking about it like it has aired already?? like I said I didnt see it on the Schedule for the Movie Channel in canada
Posted by: JTMAG1 Jan 17th 2007, 9:16 PM
Now that Carson is dead, who's gonna take his place?...as in the role of a doctor, I mean someone is gonna get shot one way or another lol.
They just start using the DNA machine and give people healing powers. When the person is about to die, you just change their DNA back.
Posted by: Lagger Jan 17th 2007, 9:20 PM
i thought that DNA machine didnt work on a large number of the ancients Lolz.... and mackay was lucky....
i reckon more ppl die from accidents from anything else.. why not just shove a few of em in the brain suckers. they can become martyrs instead of dying trying to find a cure for cancer in a plant, they would have that cure instantly
im surprised the anceints dont ave some sorta healing machine, that can zap ppl back to normal
Posted by: JTMAG1 Jan 17th 2007, 9:22 PM
i thought that DNA machine didnt work on a large number of the ancients Lolz.... and mackay was lucky....
i reckon more ppl die from accidents from anything else.. why not just shove a few of em in the brain suckers. they can become martyrs instead of dying trying to find a cure for cancer in a plant, they would have that cure instantly
im surprised the anceints dont ave some sorta healing machine, that can zap ppl back to normal
I always thought they did, but we just hadn't found them. but thinking back to echoes, it appeared that their medcial situation was just like ours. We do know that they eventually got the power to heal each other.
Posted by: Revan Jan 17th 2007, 9:27 PM
I always thought they did, but we just hadn't found them. but thinking back to echoes, it appeared that their medcial situation was just like ours. We do know that they eventually got the power to heal each other.
If the goa'uld were able to create healing technology, and the Tel'Chak device was used to heal some species, why wouldn't the Ancients have had some portable healing device? They don't have naqadah in their blood, but they could use crystal power cells.
Posted by: fan_83 Jan 17th 2007, 9:38 PM
maybe because the ancients stoppped their research into healing tech when they could jsut will the patients back to full health like what mckay did for zelenka in tao or rodney..
i mean at that point of evolution, doctors and nurses are pointless as every single ancient can heal with their powers
Posted by: Revan Jan 17th 2007, 9:58 PM
maybe because the ancients stoppped their research into healing tech when they could jsut will the patients back to full health like what mckay did for zelenka in tao or rodney..
i mean at that point of evolution, doctors and nurses are pointless as every single ancient can heal with their powers
It is random... not everybody got the same advanced abilities. Watch Epiphany.
Posted by: JTMAG1 Jan 17th 2007, 10:18 PM
It is random... not everybody got the same advanced abilities. Watch Epiphany.
I think that once the society evolved to the same level, they would have have the same capabilites.
I had completely forgot about the sarcophagus. The Ancients were responsible for some serious healing tech. I wonder if that was before or after Atlantis.
What ever happened to that device?
Posted by: Revan Jan 17th 2007, 10:22 PM
I think that once the society evolved to the same level, they would have have the same capabilites.
I had completely forgot about the sarcophagus. The Ancients were responsible for some serious healing tech. I wonder if that was before or after Atlantis.
What ever happened to that device?
I think the same level of genetic diversity would exist... giving different abilities to different people... kinda like skin tone and eye color... ya know?
I wonder why the Tel'Chak device existed at all... although, it could have been the power source... a generator of some kind... its energy could have been channeled when it was used in conjunction with another device.
I think the Tok'Ra hid it away somewhere so nobody would get mutated anymore...
Posted by: thehighcommander Jan 18th 2007, 12:13 AM
so will he be back? he was talking to rodney at the end like daniel talked to jack when he ascended, which i think means that he ascended. we know that the ancients can do that, oma did it on abydos maybe the ancients ascended him had hes gonna be like season 6 daniel on sg1
Posted by: Revan Jan 18th 2007, 12:50 AM
so will he be back? he was talking to rodney at the end like daniel talked to jack when he ascended, which i think means that he ascended. we know that the ancients can do that, oma did it on abydos maybe the ancients ascended him had hes gonna be like season 6 daniel on sg1
They left it open-ish. I don't think he ascended. Rodney hesitated when he said 'body' because Carson was his best friend, and it hurt him to say it. The end sequence was a good-bye, probably nothing more.
Posted by: GateShip#1 Jan 18th 2007, 12:54 AM
this is random but while watching Sunday i remember hear that John was married, while he was talking to Ronan, he said done that but he wasnt good at it, so before the Atlantis Exp. he was married but divorced
Posted by: Otaku_Smeghead Jan 18th 2007, 1:24 AM
so no one has an answer to my question?? 
/ Im not asking how to get the ep Im just asking WHERE did you watch it..
Posted by: atlantisguy5000 Jan 18th 2007, 1:52 AM
so no one has an answer to my question??
/ Im not asking how to get the ep Im just asking WHERE did you watch it.."Sunday" aired on Movie Central (Western Canada) on Monday January 15th. They started airing the second half of season 3 before Christmas then took a few weeks off and are now finishing the season with new episodes every Monday. At this rate we're set to see the Atlantis Season 3 finale on Monday February 5th.
TMN (Eastern Canada) according to their website will air the 12th episode of season 3 "Echoes" on Saturday January 20th. And then be airing the new episodes into February and March.
Yay for Canada being first. The second half of season 3 has had some really good episodes.
Posted by: thehighcommander Jan 18th 2007, 2:04 AM
They left it open-ish. I don't think he ascended. Rodney hesitated when he said 'body' because Carson was his best friend, and it hurt him to say it. The end sequence was a good-bye, probably nothing more.
how can you have a goodbye with a dead person unless he is ascended? (keeping in mind the show doesnt deal with angels/religious explanations)
Posted by: JTMAG1 Jan 18th 2007, 2:19 AM
I think the same level of genetic diversity would exist... giving different abilities to different people... kinda like skin tone and eye color... ya know?
I didn't think of that. If the characteristics are genetic, then they would be passed down like you said. That makes good sense.
how can you have a goodbye with a dead person unless he is ascended? (keeping in mind the show doesnt deal with angels/religious explanations)
It's for the sense of closure at the end of the show. Lots of shows do similar things when they kill off a character. In this case, Rod felt like he was responsible for Carson's death. At the end, he was resolving these emotions in his own mind. At the same time the writers were giving Carson his last bit of screen time, and allowing him to say goodbye to the fans.
EDIT: That was my 1000th post? I shoulda said something more profound. Just remember my motto: It's always (and I mean ALWAYS) ok to eat chillicheese fries no matter the hour.
Posted by: KillerMarv Jan 18th 2007, 2:38 AM
so will he be back? he was talking to rodney at the end like daniel talked to jack when he ascended, which i think means that he ascended. we know that the ancients can do that, oma did it on abydos maybe the ancients ascended him had hes gonna be like season 6 daniel on sg1
how can you have a goodbye with a dead person unless he is ascended? (keeping in mind the show doesnt deal with angels/religious explanations)
We saw with our own eyes that they sent the body back to Earth... Now, how could he have ascended when that was done? No, the end sequence is just what the fans wanted, like JTMAG1 said right after you, and what I said a few posts back, a closure, a chance for Carson to say good bye to one of his great friends, to the show, and to the fans. McKay saw that all in his mind... It was rather well done.
And to end this with a question, if you think Carson ascended, let me ask you who would have helped him do that?
EDIT: That was my 1000th post? I shoulda said something more profound. Just remember my motto: It's always (and I mean ALWAYS) ok to eat chillicheese fries no matter the hour.
Yay for the millenarian post.
Ummm, unfortunately, I have no idea what chillicheese fries are, so I guess I can't understand your motto.
Posted by: NRJ Jan 18th 2007, 4:35 AM
No way, not him. why? He was one of my favorite charactor there.
Posted by: JinxY Jan 18th 2007, 6:05 AM
It's too bad that Carson had to die He was a great character. I really liked how he wouldn't give up on that guy even if it ment blowing up with him. Poor Rodney now has to live with the guilt that things might have been different if only he went fishing with him.
The good-bye in the end was nice.
Lorne PAINTING !?!?! That was soooooo funny
Posted by: Protoziggy90 Jan 18th 2007, 7:44 AM
I will not rest until I know why they killed him off... The best way to figure this out would be to find out what is going on with Paul. If you know what the actor is doing, you can figure out what the character is doing...
Posted by: fan_83 Jan 18th 2007, 10:25 AM
so are you saying that rodney who got the gene manipulation in tao suddenly manage to be able to heal although he doesn;t have the ancient gene like oneal or shepard.
that doesn;t make sense at all... although its possible that some of the ancients are not able to heal, i would guess that a vast majority could, somewhat like a ability that can be learned.. after all. its not genes that give them the ability but the increase usage of ones brain higher functions
also there may not be a body, as it could be annihilated by the blast, the casket is somewhat symbolic i think. it leaves teh door open for an ascended carson..
imagine an ascended carson coming down to atlantis and is fishing at the docks
Posted by: Protoziggy90 Jan 18th 2007, 11:52 AM
That was my 1000th post? I shoulda said something more profound. Just remember my motto: It's always (and I mean ALWAYS) ok to eat chillicheese fries no matter the hour.
Congrats! May you live to make 10,000...
Posted by: JTMAG1 Jan 18th 2007, 11:53 AM
so are you saying that rodney who got the gene manipulation in tao suddenly manage to be able to heal although he doesn;t have the ancient gene like oneal or shepard.
that doesn;t make sense at all... although its possible that some of the ancients are not able to heal, i would guess that a vast majority could, somewhat like a ability that can be learned.. after all. its not genes that give them the ability but the increase usage of ones brain higher functions
also there may not be a body, as it could be annihilated by the blast, the casket is somewhat symbolic i think. it leaves teh door open for an ascended carson..
imagine an ascended carson coming down to atlantis and is fishing at the docks
The Ancient gene is just a specific marker that they picked out of their DNA sequence. It's never been said that it is what gives the ancients their powers. And, Rodney took the gene therapy...
Posted by: poundpuppy29 Jan 18th 2007, 2:47 PM
I think he ascended because he is a pure person and I think they had that scene with Rodney to leave the option open.
Posted by: Revan Jan 18th 2007, 2:51 PM
I think he ascended because he is a pure person and I think they had that scene with Rodney to leave the option open.
Maybe, but he would not have been able to ascend without the help of other ascended beings... they had no reason to ascend him... and it would be kinda dumb if they had, because it already happened to Daniel.
Posted by: thefirstone Jan 18th 2007, 4:19 PM
Damn you Gero, You better hope I never see you in person. 
Such a sweet ending though, had me at a tear. Just shows you, love your friends like no other can, you never know when they can just go.
Posted by: More Cowbell! Jan 18th 2007, 7:59 PM
He was a great character. I really liked how he wouldn't give up on that guy even if it ment blowing up with him. Poor Rodney now has to live with the guilt that things might have been different if only he went fishing with him. That's the thing that bugs me, he didn't have to die, it was almost written just to make him die. I thought the episode was OK, but am kinda cheesed off about him dying like that. They might as well of had him stub his toe, get's a subdermal cyst and die from blood poisoning.
Posted by: JTMAG1 Jan 18th 2007, 8:05 PM
That's the thing that bugs me, he didn't have to die, it was almost written just to make him die. I thought the episode was OK, but am kinda cheesed off about him dying like that. They might as well of had him stub his toe, get's a subdermal cyst and die from blood poisoning.
That was the point. They were writing him out of the show. The episode was written specifically so that he could be killed.
Posted by: Revan Jan 18th 2007, 10:01 PM
That was the point. They were writing him out of the show. The episode was written specifically so that he could be killed.
So he could die heroically, and we could have some character development for all up to the end.
Posted by: Protoziggy90 Jan 18th 2007, 10:15 PM
So he could die heroically, and we could have some character development for all up to the end.
It really was a worthwhile episode in the end. A lot of stuff was accomplished that TPTB, as well as many fans, have been waiting for...
Posted by: Arcady Jan 18th 2007, 10:18 PM
I fell asleep during the episode.
Posted by: Revan Jan 18th 2007, 10:56 PM
I fell asleep during the episode.
It happens.
I have found that sometimes I need to fast forward through parts of Stargate episodes or I will fall asleep.
I don't think I plan on rewatching this one. Carson died, end of story.
Posted by: Arcady Jan 18th 2007, 11:02 PM
I think it was due to the fact that the episode was written worse than a fan fic. And I knew he was dying ahead of time. And how many times can we have an episode with "8 hours earlier" in it?
Posted by: JTMAG1 Jan 18th 2007, 11:20 PM
I think it was due to the fact that the episode was written worse than a fan fic. And I knew he was dying ahead of time. And how many times can we have an episode with "8 hours earlier" in it?
yeah, I definitly hope they get a grip on that "in media rae" device really fast.
Posted by: Revan Jan 18th 2007, 11:50 PM
I think it was due to the fact that the episode was written worse than a fan fic. And I knew he was dying ahead of time. And how many times can we have an episode with "8 hours earlier" in it?
They do seem to keep doing it... and in ways that don't necessarily work.
I was waiting the entire episode for him to die, when he decided to take the tumor to the bomb squad guy, I knew it was going to explode and kill him, or both of them.
BSG does that sometimes, they show you something unusual and then rewind 2 days or whatever so you can wonder how they could possibly have gotten where they got... I think it works well for them, but it didn't work as well for this episode because we were all spoiled, and knew what was coming. I give them kudos for trying though, its a neat idea, and would have been much better if we hadn't known the outcome.
Posted by: thehighcommander Jan 18th 2007, 11:53 PM
Posted by: Revan Jan 18th 2007, 11:55 PM
Ummm...
Posted by: Lagger Jan 19th 2007, 2:18 AM
maybe like... carson... as in ascended.. or just like "sam" they think hes there
Posted by: thehighcommander Jan 19th 2007, 2:23 AM
ok, that plot was dumb enough the first time, and even worse the second time, i really hope they dont do it a third tme
Posted by: Jerrodw Jan 19th 2007, 5:23 AM
So Atlantis has a "hard time getting non-essential items from Earth" like some gym shoes for the people to exercise in, but they can get hundreds of golf balls to just hit out into the ocean one at a time? And paint and canvas, Johnny Cash posters to hang over their beds, and dozens of chess sets.
I have to wonder how that stuff makes it into the scripts.
Posted by: KillerMarv Jan 19th 2007, 5:27 AM
So Atlantis has a "hard time getting non-essential items from Earth" like some gym shoes for the people to exercise in, but they can get hundreds of golf balls to just hit out into the ocean one at a time? And paint and canvas, Johnny Cash posters to hang over their beds, and dozens of chess sets.
I have to wonder how that stuff makes it into the scripts.
They didn't say they can't get gym shoes, or other non-essential items... They said that they get them much harder, and for some people that can be a big waste of time, waiting for it to happen. For Sheppard, who is very passionate about golf, these things don't matter.
Posted by: originIsSalvation Jan 19th 2007, 9:05 AM
OMG, I'm so sad now... Beckett was one of my favorite characters, I just can't believe they would do something like this
The show won't be the same without him.
On another note though, I thought that the episode format was very clever, I liked how they showed their day off from different people's points of view. IMHO that particular layout worked well for this episode.
Posted by: fan_83 Jan 19th 2007, 10:35 AM
So Atlantis has a "hard time getting non-essential items from Earth" like some gym shoes for the people to exercise in, but they can get hundreds of golf balls to just hit out into the ocean one at a time? And paint and canvas, Johnny Cash posters to hang over their beds, and dozens of chess sets.
I have to wonder how that stuff makes it into the scripts.
its a hard time but not impossible.. perhasp the requisition for the chess sets has been sent months ago and finally just arrived, the same could be said for the golf balls.. perhaps htey replicated it? same thing could be said for the other items
or htey could be brought over when they all came back in 311.. i mean that time they had zpms to slowly transport the stuff they want to play with and no longer just essential stuff like in episode 1..
perhaps the lady in question is a first timer and forgot her gym shoes and the requisition takes time.. i mean this is the first free day they had ever.. so is it a wonder that she didn;t expect to bring her gym shoes and that it takes time for the requisition to go through?
i mean the military is a huge bearucacy(spelling?) after all
Posted by: Lagger Jan 19th 2007, 8:21 PM
obviously it takes a long time, but im betting from the start they ordered tonnes of golf balls...
and im thinking ordering 3000 golf balls is easier than ordering a certain one pair of sneakers?
Posted by: JTMAG1 Jan 19th 2007, 9:14 PM
Perhaps she had sneakers, but after working out for two years, it's time for some new ones.
Posted by: More Cowbell! Jan 19th 2007, 11:54 PM
I have to wonder how that stuff makes it into the scripts.
Lol, I think that is a good nitpick! How many golf balls have been hit into the ocean, but they can't get sports shoes, which should be standard wear anyway. When you are in the military you are supposed to run to stay in shape, most people I know that have been in the military had good running shoes at least.
Posted by: Shifter Jan 20th 2007, 6:08 PM
WHO IS GOING TO LOOK AFTER HIS BABY TURTLES!!!
Posted by: grkxgod Jan 20th 2007, 9:39 PM
Beckett's role was just starting to get good this season too, I read that they are bringing in Jule Staite from Firefly to play a doctor for season four.
Posted by: PsXDnS Jan 21st 2007, 3:57 AM
Damnit, I hate when they kill off main characters like this. Horrible.
Posted by: PuddleJumperPrincess Jan 21st 2007, 5:01 AM
Totally gutted, I love Dr Beckett. No more Scottish accent.
However I liked the way they did this episode. It was unusual and better than if they had killed him off during a mission.
Posted by: Raxor Jan 21st 2007, 9:46 AM
what a waste of a good character, (i thought this ep was 314)
and the x hours ago has been done WAY too many times, saying that the episode was alright seeing what the crew get up to in their little spare time
i thought beckett was just going to go away, not actually get completly killed off...
anyways my rating > ***
Posted by: baggers1982 Jan 21st 2007, 2:28 PM
That was a really, really, really bad episode. Apart from killing Carson there was absolutely no point to the episode what so ever.
There are far too many nitpicks to bother mentioning, but from the posts before me it sounds like everyone picked up on most of them.
And unless it was a request by the actor, it was a really bad decision to kill off another doctor. very lame.
And don't get me started on exploding tumors. 
On the whole, it felt like a really rushed attempt at making a nice, sentimental episode. it could have been so much better but sadly it wasn't.
Posted by: Jerrodw Jan 23rd 2007, 12:44 AM
Strange that there is no real life story behind killing off the character. Usually when this stuff happens you know it was coming because the actor had something going on in their personal life, the actor was a PITA and was let go, wanted more money, or the season is ending and they need big cliff hanger drama.
This was just rather sudden. This show is not 24 and they don't need to prove that anything can happen and anyone can be killed off. Additionally to just duplicate the story of killing the doctor off is strange to.
All of this sort of makes me wonder if they are not going to some how bring Carson back some time soon. Maybe as the big dramatic season finale?
Posted by: Jade Jan 23rd 2007, 5:59 AM
Ok first thing I have to say is:So sorry to see Dr Beckett go, I loved most of the episode he did, especially Duet, loved all the episodes with he and Rodney. So Sad RIP. Of Couse this is Sci Fi, so there are many possibility for he to come back, ie. Alternate reality, Alternate timeline, cloning. I am sure they would have he back sometime, like Dr Frasier and Martouf.
I knew the actor released statement he was leaving the show, and I did wonder how that was gonna written into the plot. Most of the main character seems to love Atlantis so much, it is hard to imagine they would just resign from their post, unless they very ill or dying, so I guess this was a good way for PM to exist the show, more believable if he die than just leave Atlantis with some lame reasons.
I would definitely watch this again, since I slowly realise that each of the scenes before the explosion had very nice bits with Carson interacting with each of the team, showing how good he is with everyone, and how much he is loved by everyone (yes even Rodney and his special ways)
Only problem I had was that in the previous episode THe Ark, also has hours ealier, which is abit too much, surely they don't have to tell story backwards in every episode, it takes away the uniqueness of this one, because I think flashback worked so much better in this one than the previou, so thats hope the next one doesnot have flashback again.
The end was nice, but I think Carson ascending would be a wishful thinking (not that he didn't qualify), to me, that was just a nice little goodbye in Rodney's head.
Ok, my longest post, but what can I say, I love Carson Beckett, and I think this was a great episode as a tribut to him.
Posted by: Foxblood Jan 23rd 2007, 11:02 AM
Not sure if this has been said but they did the same thing on Grey's Anatomy. Ron Livingston from Office Space was on there and he blew up in a similar way. Some guy had a bomb in his gut, the doctor removed it and couldn't wait so she took it out to him. kablamo!!!
Posted by: glom Jan 23rd 2007, 3:52 PM
53% It looked like an exercise in nothing happening and then something happened... but far too casually for my liking.
SUPER REPITION OF THE WEEK: For two weeks in a row, we've had an in medias res opening with jump back to the beginning after the opening credits. This device is now truly getting overused. It doesn't bode well if the writers don't have enough confidence in their own writing to keep the audience in a more linear teaser.
RANDINESS OF THE WEEK: Not only is the opening time-confused, but it pours on the inane banter about who fancies who with all the gusto of a Year 8 class. Even Beckett was acting like it was mating season. I suppose this justifies why the writers felt they needed the in medias res opening. Anyone would have switched off with this stuff had something not blown up.
KNOBHEAD OF THE WEEK: This guy who likes Weir: I don't like him! He's annoying. He's loud. He's got a six day beard. And he's a knobhead. And what exactly was the point to him?
BAD SWING OF THE WEEK: Ronan's brute strength may favour a long shot, but a swing like that would still damage the club.
TOUR DE FORCE OF THE WEEK: David Hewlett really nailed that bawling out of those other scientists.
NEW DIVISION OF LABOUR OF THE WEEK: Atlantis is sort like an offshore facility, except it's off galaxy. If you're worried about crew rest, you make like the oil companies do. Two-on-two-off. Now that both Earth and Atlantis have ZPMs, that's doable. Else, simply have shifts and alternate days off. Essentially taking the installation offline for a big giant rest day is impractical, unwise and unnecessary.
NEW DIVISION OF LABOUR OF THE WEEK RUNNER UP: If you have a plant that may be the key to curing leukaemia, you get more than out scientist to monitor them. You break out the cloning equipment. You sequence its genome. You mass produce it and distribute it to every authorised facility in either galaxy. You don't treat it like Banzai.
ANCIENT UNINTELLIGENCE OF THE WEEK: What is it with these Ancients leaving out dangerous toys to be turned on and random?
NEW POLITICS OF THE WEEK: Scotland isn't independent yet (unless that's some Trust plot). Beckett's coffin should have been draped in the Union Flag given the official nature of this event.
PREJUDICE OF THE WEEK: What's with always killing off the doctors? And to have this done so randomly is very disappointing. I am not amused. At least Dr. Frasier's death didn't feel like filler. This episode was so "And now he's dead. And now we're grieving. End of story."
PREJUDICE OF THE WEEK RUNNER UP: Sure. Forget about the black guy! There were two people killed in that explosion!
Posted by: thefirstone Jan 23rd 2007, 4:46 PM
Why couldn't they just kill Teyla, she sucks. Carson's character was getting so much better, I hate when they build a character to kill him as hes getting better and I agree that this episode was as boring as hell, at least heroes was good because you didn't expect it but after seeing that Carson wasn't going fishing and was going to operate on Mr. Time Bomb, you could pretty much smell the death in the room.
Was it Paul McGillion's choice or were the writers being p***ks?
Posted by: Revan Jan 23rd 2007, 4:49 PM
I don't think any of the characters in SGA are any better than any of the others...
They are all slighlty dismal, IMO... I am still waiting for them to be interesting independent of story lines.
Posted by: Jade Jan 24th 2007, 6:40 AM
[Not sure if this has been said but they did the same thing on Grey's Anatomy. Ron Livingston from Office Space was on there and he blew up in a similar way. Some guy had a bomb in his gut, the doctor removed it and couldn't wait so she took it out to him. kablamo!!!]
I know, I felt the two was very similar. just when you thought the guy was safe, and the bomb blow up just before you can get rid of it. While I was watching it, the scene from Grey's was going throught in my head
Posted by: Darien Jackson Jan 25th 2007, 9:09 PM
Yeah. DEFINITELY an interesng episode. I really liked the way they showed people's personal and romantic lives. They really need to get some major romance stuff happening. We can't have another SG1 with eight seasons of building up two main characters and then all of a sudden one leaves and it's all gone. I think Teyla and John would be good together. That is who it was right? Teyla didn't really like Ronnan did she? A love triangle would be alright.
And yeah, Carson definitely did NOT ascend. When someone ascends their bodies turn to energy, and he still had a body. And as we've seen time after time in the past, it's very complicated.
That beingsaid, he might not be done with. That ending was intriguing, because, while some shows dodo things like that all the time (Veronica Mars, Whistler, etc.) Stargate doesnt' much. However, don't forget, Rodney hallucinated Sam once, so it could be possible. Also, how may times have people died before? Lots. They can always come back if they need to. Who knows, maybe his consiousness was programed in an ancient device which will later bring him back. It doesn't seem to logical, but don't forget who the writers are. they do stuff like that.
I must say though, atthe end of the ep I was thinking "It's not real, someone's going to wake up or come out of a simulation or something." Wouldn't bethe first time, but apparently wasn't the case.
Dr. Carson Beckett, RIP
Maybe
Posted by: PuddleJumperPilot Jan 26th 2007, 2:23 PM
It occurred to me while re-watching the episode that Carson shouldn't really have died in that explosion. If you compare the explosion size in the hall to the one at the beginning in the mess hall, Carson shouldn't have taken any more damage to himself than Teyla did at the beginning. The only explanation I could think of was that the second explosion was much bigger... Any thoughts?
It seemed to be roughly the same size....the difference was it occurred in a more open area & Teyla seemed to be around the corner when the first blew & was thrown by the blast... Dr. Beckett was in the direct path of the explosion (but strangely wasn't thrown by it) & although his external injuries may have been repairable, the heat would have incinerated his lungs when engulfed by the flames. If only he had run for his life after handing over the package, or the bomb dude had wheeled the container closer..... lets hope he somehow returns.
Posted by: Ty_dA_maNn58 Jan 27th 2007, 12:01 AM
Or if he wasn't an idiot (like Col. Emerson in SG-1) he wouldn't of died. I think it was more the fire that killed him as opposed to the explosion.
but hey..DAMN! I can't believe that they killed Carson.
I kind of like it when movies or shows go back in time, such as this one (with the 2 hours before...) but I found that this was overused in this episode, I was getting a little annoyed by it.
I always like when shows or movies aren't scared to kill their characters off, but usually find it difficult as to which one they do kill off. In stargate Atlantis I think killing off Ronon or Teyla would be acceptable. Everyone else seems too important, Mckay, Sheppard and Weir. Lorne is one of my favourite (aside from beckett...well I geuss Lorne is now my fav) Even Zelenka is good, I don't think they should kill any. (except Ronon or Telya...cuz I see them as sorta the same character, although ronon is the more militant and Teyla the more ...'Daniel Jacksonish' So I ya...I geuss I cant see the show without any...but people do need to die.
Which brings me to another point. I've always thought that this show (and Sg-1) is too biased on the main characters. (I know it's about them) but it's just so focused on them, like in this episode, at Beckett's 'euology' Weir says 'we lost many people' and yet they only show Beckett's coffin. Why??
I too was a little confused by the guy Weir was with, was he introduced before and I missed it?? I was amazed and delighted to see the life's of the other people, good to see them out of their uniforms (was it just me or did weird simply change the color of her shirt and she was 'out of uniform') Good to see Sheppard golfing in a golf shirt, and funny that Ronon cracked the ball further..love seeing stuck up golfers get shown up. Was that the other scientist who Beckett operated on, golfing beside Sheppard?? He mentioned a pain to Beckett, and Beckett pretty much ignored him...Karma?
Lorne a painter...awesome, hope that means they will keep him for awhile.
Touchy ending, but very peaceful one. And all together I felt like it was a peaceful episode, aside form the obvios bomb, Weir and the guy ate a part of their lunch looking onto the water, Sheppard and Ronon hit balls into it, Carson WANTED to go fishing which I find very peaceful, Mckay was supposed to go fishing but spent his time surrounded by green plants which I too find very relaxing, Teyla..well she got a piece of shrapnel in her..that isn't as peaceful, Lorne painting the city. the bagpipes at the funeral, the guys walking into the gate with the coffin, and of course the ending dream with Mckay and Beckett...It just seemed very balanced with the bomb.
Someone said it on the first page..but What does the show have against Doctors? (Beckett and Fraiser)
what do they got against stubborn people (Beckett and Emerson)
Overall...sad to loose Becket, but good episode.
Oh and on Wikipedia, on Caron's profile, it says he is confirmed for a season 4 geust spot. and they predict it's an alternate timeline....But I say ascension, or something like when Carter appeared to Rodney in the sinking jumper.
Posted by: Hazaa3000 Feb 5th 2007, 4:44 PM
Saw the ending coming to be honest - mainly because the build up of the episode was very focused around Becket. Not too sure why they've killed him off so early, it's a bit mirror like to SG-1 in the sense of killing off the lead Doc.
I'm sure the writers will bring him back, maybe they'll find another Becket on in an alternate dimension and they bring him back to ours...
It seems in Stargate/Atlantis, characters always have a chance of coming back...
oh, Interesting episode. Could of done without the romance though.
Posted by: Janos Feb 7th 2007, 1:37 AM
I think it works well for them, but it didn't work as well for this episode because we were all spoiled, and knew what was coming. I give them kudos for trying though, its a neat idea, and would have been much better if we hadn't known the outcome.
No, we all weren't.
That's why you shouldn't read spoilers!
Like a lot of others, I was suspecting the Bomb Squad guy was going to die, I just didn't think Carson would too. Although, before the Bomb Squad scene, I had a feeling something was going to happen to him... but right at the last minute, I thought he was going to make it.
And I wonder what happened to the body of the Bomb Squad guy anyways.... they both died in the blast... shouldn't there have been 2 coffins?
Posted by: Parmenides Feb 7th 2007, 3:39 AM
And I wonder what happened to the body of the Bomb Squad guy anyways.... they both died in the blast... shouldn't there have been 2 coffins?
Nah, they just tossed him into the ocean. Let's face it - he wasn't Scottish.
I accidentally knew Beckett died beforehand, but I didn't know which episode it happened in...though it was pretty glaringly obvious throughout what was going to happen. You know what? I don't really care that he's gone. As a Scot, his accent grated on my ears, he was too bumbling, and just generally an annoyance. He was alright, but sacrificing his character was well worth the drama.
Yes, they stole this from an episode of Grey's Anatomy.
I quite liked the whole episode, in general. It was nice how each storyline sort of linked with the others, though it didn't make much sense to declare a "rest day" for everyone all at once. Bloody Heightmeyer.
Beckett did not ascend.
(at least he better not have!)
Posted by: Invisible Painting Feb 7th 2007, 11:26 AM
Firstly, janos has a point. If you're complaining that the episode didn't have it's emotional impact because you knew, stop reading spoilers. It's as simple as in my opinion (although I will make the point that this was one of the more difficult to avoid spoilers around) but still. They don't write episodes presuming you know ploit details, they write them for people who don't know anything, and if you do, then you do.
As for the episode, very sad, one of the more saddening goodbyes I've ever seen a character get. I did suspect highly that it would happen through some spoilers, but I wasn't sitting there waiting for it to happen the whole time, I did that with heroes the last time and I didn't really get upset about that one. I just watched the episode for what it was, so when it did happen it still had a huge impact. And it was very upsetting.
However I thought it was a very good episode, all the factors about it I liked, the character interaction, the fact that the plot jumped around a lot. The fact that we found out more about some of the characters personal lives (and I hope that happens more in the future as well), lorne being a painter, it's the little details like that which flesh out and give a character meaning.
Sheppard having been married, well I admit dropping that detail in now did seem a bit random, but if they flesh that out more it is a good decision for them to make. We don't know anything whatsoever about sheppards personal life before 'rising', we only know a couple of details about where he was stationed before. They should flesh him out a bit more, and this was an indication that they'll do this more in the future. Also his uniform, that was unexpected lol, never seen him in that before and never realised that before this episode. But still, he looked good in it.
I'm also glad that we saw the girl from duet in it again, they don't always follow some of their threads through so it's good they do a bit. One thing though is that I was hoping they'd have cadmen in it a bit, as she and Carson had a good relationship going. So it's a bit of a shame that they didn't show her at all in the episode, on a day off beckett may have seen her if he could.
So onto carson, I don't have a problem with what happened. These things happen in these situations, even though I like his character and wanted him to stay around. I won't have a go at the decision as these things do happen. You can't always change that, and it was good that he had a very good episode to be said goodbye to, I just hope that they don't forget about it and do make references to him in the next few episodes. So yes, a tragic goodbye but a very good episode, and a necessery one that will add to the show overall in my opinion. One that I will be watching a lot of times on DVD. 10/10 for me.
Posted by: Pitry Feb 7th 2007, 12:02 PM
Considering the spoiler-reading (sorry for making it so off topic) - it's not as easy as "don't read the spoilers" - I dind't read the spoilers. I was spoiled by brats who can't use spoiler space.
The best way not to be spoiled.... not to go near Stargate internet websites/ forums. But then I won't have my Stargate-discussing addiciton adn ways to avoid studying for my perception exam tomorrow. ;)
Posted by: Parmenides Feb 7th 2007, 1:09 PM
Considering the spoiler-reading (sorry for making it so off topic) - it's not as easy as "don't read the spoilers" - I dind't read the spoilers. I was spoiled by brats who can't use spoiler space.
I was spoiled by the Australians. Shudder.
It did seem like quite an out of the norm episode, for Atlantis. It seemed so alien to see the characters...well, thinking, and speaking about themselves. Usually they just point out the obvious, and announce how it makes them feel.
I particularly liked the Weir scenes, Zelenka, and the Shep/Ronon discussion.
Posted by: Janos Feb 7th 2007, 10:57 PM
Considering the spoiler-reading (sorry for making it so off topic) - it's not as easy as "don't read the spoilers" - I dind't read the spoilers. I was spoiled by brats who can't use spoiler space.
The best way not to be spoiled.... not to go near Stargate internet websites/ forums. But then I won't have my Stargate-discussing addiciton adn ways to avoid studying for my perception exam tomorrow. ;)
Actually, I never really liked Atlantis when it started... It wasn't until midway through Season 2 that I started liking it.... so I've very rarely ever posted in the Atlantis section at all! I had no earthly idea that was coming in this ep!
Posted by: Invisible Painting Feb 8th 2007, 11:57 AM
Actually, I never really liked Atlantis when it started... It wasn't until midway through Season 2 that I started liking it.... so I've very rarely ever posted in the Atlantis section at all! I had no earthly idea that was coming in this ep!
Exactly, I'm in the same boat, even though I really like atlantis now (I was still a fan before though) I never come into the atlantis section to talk about it. At all, I just don't really have any interest to. I do really like the show though
How I heard about sunday was from other sites, but even then I never had it confirmed until I watched the episode the other day. But if you want to avoid spoilers, you can if you really want. That's why I stoped going in most of the episode discussion threads midway through season 8, as all people were doing was bitching about the episode and putting spoilers for next ones. I've gone in a few recently but just skip past any comments that I think will be this way
Posted by: JTMAG1 Feb 8th 2007, 12:52 PM
Exactly, I'm in the same boat, even though I really like atlantis now (I was still a fan before though) I never come into the atlantis section to talk about it. At all, I just don't really have any interest to. I do really like the show though
How I heard about sunday was from other sites, but even then I never had it confirmed until I watched the episode the other day. But if you want to avoid spoilers, you can if you really want. That's why I stoped going in most of the episode discussion threads midway through season 8, as all people were doing was bitching about the episode and putting spoilers for next ones. I've gone in a few recently but just skip past any comments that I think will be this way
I dedfinitely agree with you there, but sometimes it's just hard to avoid something that blurts out spoilers.
I don't see how this episode could have been any good, knowing ahead of time that it was the ep where Beckett was going to be killed.
Posted by: Pitry Feb 8th 2007, 1:23 PM
Actually, I never really liked Atlantis when it started... It wasn't until midway through Season 2 that I started liking it.... so I've very rarely ever posted in the Atlantis section at all! I had no earthly idea that was coming in this ep!
Ah, for me it's a bit more complicated because I psot both here and on Gateworld and they have loads of idiots posting spoilers in title threads in general discussion places and such... (although, TBH, the first time an idiot posted the Shroud spoilers within a title I've seen was here.... which made me feel it's okay I was already accidentily spoiled about it because it would have pisse dme off to such a degree had I been exposed to it that way
)Wait. Let me get this straight.
You started enjoying Atlantis during season 2?! That's about when I was considering to stop watching.... I onyl started really loving and enjoying the show in season 3.
Posted by: Janos Feb 8th 2007, 1:53 PM
Yeah, Season 1 sucked.
Posted by: Pitry Feb 8th 2007, 2:17 PM
Yeah, Season 1 sucked.
Less then season 2... ;)
Posted by: Invisible Painting Feb 8th 2007, 3:28 PM
Season 1 had it's good moments, the second half was better then the first one, the arcs it started building at the end were good. Season 2 started off brilliantly, but then went back into meh-rality, however there were a number of brilliant episodes in there, just mixed with meh ones lol. Season three sorted out most of the problems now and is as good as sg1 has been imo, I know not everyone thinks that, but I do think it's as good as early season sg1 now. So I wouldn't say season 1 or two sucked, there were just problems with it, that they didn't really sort out until season 3. But there were good stories and threads in both, just not all of them.
Posted by: Pitry Feb 8th 2007, 3:51 PM
Season 1 had it's good moments, the second half was better then the first one, the arcs it started building at the end were good. Season 2 started off brilliantly, but then went back into meh-rality, however there were a number of brilliant episodes in there, just mixed with meh ones lol. Season three sorted out most of the problems now and is as good as sg1 has been imo, I know not everyone thinks that, but I do think it's as good as early season sg1 now. So I wouldn't say season 1 or two sucked, there were just problems with it, that they didn't really sort out until season 3. But there were good stories and threads in both, just not all of them.
I think it also has a bit of manoeuverability of the show that's playing a role.
Re-watching SG1s season 2 these days for example, I know I enjoy it for nostalgia and the innocence more than actually being that good - I would agree that season 2 is one of the weakest IMO SG1 seasons, while I do find season 1 to be stronger.
But a lot of the things I could forigev SG1 doing in its early days, just don't worjk on SGA, at all. Because it's a more experienced team and the set up is differnet and they got more to work with, it seems. They're not building a universe, they're playing on an already estblished one. So the mistakes they did in season 2, especially the quantity of those, really was almost enough to turn me off. The only erason I kept on watching til the end was Rodney.
Which makes their fixing of the majoruity of the problems in season 3 just more fantastic
Posted by: General Jackson Feb 16th 2007, 8:35 PM
errm im pretty sure carson is dead and he can't be ascended because humans arent at the right level of developement to achieve ascension, Daniel only achieved it with the help of oma. so unless she intervened He DEAD!!!
Posted by: Revan Feb 16th 2007, 9:04 PM
errm im pretty sure carson is dead and he can't be ascended because humans arent at the right level of developement to achieve ascension, Daniel only achieved it with the help of oma. so unless she intervened He DEAD!!!
Oma is locked in eternal combat with Anubis... she couldn't have intervened.
Posted by: mike2000z28 Feb 20th 2007, 11:14 AM
I just got done watching the episode and i thought it was really good, but at the end im thinking to myself, he can't die, hes a regular and a great character and then boom and i then i was mad they killed him off. This totally sucks! I wonder why he didn't want to be on the show anymore.
Posted by: JTMAG1 Feb 20th 2007, 11:46 AM
I just got done watching the episode and i thought it was really good, but at the end im thinking to myself, he can't die, hes a regular and a great character and then boom and i then i was mad they killed him off. This totally sucks! I wonder why he didn't want to be on the show anymore.
Or why they didn't want him to be ont he show anymore...
Posted by: Invisible Painting Feb 20th 2007, 12:33 PM
Or why they didn't want him to be ont he show anymore...
Well, according to him it was to 'shake things up' after sg1's cancellation...
Here is an excerpt from the interview with Paul McGillion in which he talks about how he was let go from Atlantis.
Just as work on Phantoms was ending, McGillion received some news that would affect his future on Atlantis. "We shot most of this story on location, and when we got back to the studio for the final day of filming, one of the ADs said that the producers wanted to talk to me," recalls the actor. "I didn't think anything of it. Truthfully, I thought they might be telling me, 'Great job in Phantoms'. However, when I went upstairs and they closed the office door, I knew it was serious. They said "Stargate SG-1 isn't being renewed, and we're not sure yet if Atlantis is going to be either. We need to shake things up a bit, and the long and short of it is we're going to kill off Beckett."
"Needless to say I was stunned, for lack of a better word. I didn't see that coming at all. Personally, I felt like I was doing a good job on the programme and I think the producers thought so as well. I sat there and listened to the reasons behind this move and what they were looking to do. I was sad and disappointed by their decision , but yet this is a business. I understand that and I respect these guys for giving me the chance to play a character like Carson Beckett. I'm not being political when I say that. I'm being honest. Most actors never get a dream job like that in their entire career, and I had it for three years.
"After they told me, I said "I'm disappointed and shocked, but obviously you're smart guys. The Stargate franchise has been around for a long time, so you know what you're doing. So how do we move on from here? How do you want me to handle this?" We would shoot Beckett's final episode [Sunday] out of sequence, and the producers asked me if I wanted to leave after that. I said that I wanted to finish my contract the way I went into it, with integrity. Not only that but I wanted to honour the character as well as the cast and crew that I had been working with all this time."
After finishing work on Sunday the actor returned to the Atlantis set to film the remaining episodes leading up to Beckett's swansong. "The final story I did this season was The Ark," says McGillion, pausing briefly to collect himself. "Only a few people knew it was my last day, including Martin Wood. He wanted to make a speech about me in front of the cast and crew once we wrapped, but I said to Alex Pappas "I can't be there on set because I'll break into tears. Just tell everyone that I'll see them at the wrap party and shake each of their hands for being so wonderful to me over the years". So I just let it go like that, and I hope I went out, hopefully, with dignity and class."
So, that says a fair few things.
Posted by: Pitry Feb 20th 2007, 3:46 PM
Well, according to him it was to 'shake things up' after sg1's cancellation...
So, that says a fair few things.
Yeah, I've seen that itnerview bit.
I have to admit that as much as I love Beckett, it was a differne tthing that caught my attention.
Posted by: Invisible Painting Feb 20th 2007, 4:42 PM
Yeah, I've seen that itnerview bit.
I have to admit that as much as I love Beckett, it was a differne tthing that caught my attention.
What caught your attention from that (yeah I know you highlighted it
) But that was written/said to him when the network wasn't sure if they were still going to renew atlantis, but then eventually did. So what stood out??
Posted by: JTMAG1 Feb 20th 2007, 5:05 PM
What caught your attention from that (yeah I know you highlighted it
) But that was written/said to him when the network wasn't sure if they were still going to renew atlantis, but then eventually did. So what stood out??We've been debating about when they knew SG1 was being cancelled, so I believe Pitry was pointing out the timing of the entire situation. If they knew during ep 9 of SGA, then they should have known during ep 9 of SG1?
Posted by: Pitry Feb 20th 2007, 5:32 PM
We've been debating about when they knew SG1 was being cancelled, so I believe Pitry was pointing out the timing of the entire situation. If they knew during ep 9 of SGA, then they should have known during ep 9 of SG1?
...which had to have been shot before season 10 even hit the screens. Exactly.
(By the hiatus they already shot 12-13 episodes. The week Morpheus was aired in the US - July 21st, if I'm not msitaken, they already were on hiatus, which means that whenever this happened, it happened before July 14th, the day Flesh adn Blood aired.)
The interview would suggest Skiffy were reluctant to renew SGA and decided to cancel SG1 before they even saw the drop inr atings, which means they're jsut not interested in the shows anymore.
Sorry to be all doom'n'gloom an' conspiracy theories, btu with this yesterday and now the press release about season 4 starting in the fall, I can't help but wonder.
Posted by: Revan Feb 20th 2007, 6:46 PM
I thought they knew SG-1 was being cancelled at the Episode 200 party...
Posted by: KillerMarv Feb 21st 2007, 2:36 AM
I thought they knew SG-1 was being cancelled at the Episode 200 party...
Yes, which may have corresponded with Atlantis' episode 9 being filmed, and some other episode of SG-1 being filmed as well...
The 200 party wasn't after filming the episode, it was after the episode was aired.
Posted by: JTMAG1 Feb 21st 2007, 11:03 AM
Who is Skiffy?
Posted by: dr lee Feb 21st 2007, 12:20 PM
So they decided to do the same thing to beckett that they did with Janet for the same reasons????
FCOL TPTB use some imagination 
Posted by: Invisible Painting Feb 21st 2007, 2:50 PM
Yes, which may have corresponded with Atlantis' episode 9 being filmed, and some other episode of SG-1 being filmed as well...
The 200 party wasn't after filming the episode, it was after the episode was aired.
No way would the 9th episode of the series be filmed on the date that the 200th episode was aired. That leaves 3 weeks for the episode to be sent out. No way is that the case. I see what you mean now pitry by it, that point completely missed me.
It could explain though why sci fi were barely advertising the show before it premiered on their channel. If they already lost interest in it they probably wouldn't have advertised it much. They probably told the producers that the show isn't going to be renewed unless ratings are really high. And when they weren't they just told the producers "that's it for the show, we'll think about atlantis". I know it is a conspiracy theory but it does have merit. Can anyone get confirmation as to when that episode was shot??
Posted by: Dafmeister Feb 21st 2007, 4:10 PM
There are plenty of threads discussing the cancellation of SG-1, let's take the discussion there please.
This wasn't a bad episode. The idea of the exploding tumours was pretty bad, it's something you would expect in a spoof episode. The ending managed to drag the episode up a few notches but it will only be memorable due to Carson dying.
Posted by: Ra's_brother_Ray Feb 21st 2007, 4:19 PM
How could they!!!...They decide to kill off the kindest,coolest doctor ever...plus he ends up to be Scottish.
Very good episode. Good to see everyone romancing.
Posted by: Revan Feb 21st 2007, 4:23 PM
How could they!!!...They decide to kill off the kindest,coolest doctor ever...plus he ends up to be Scottish.
Very good episode. Good to see everyone romancing.
Apparently they wanted to "shake things up"... I think they accomplished that rather well.
Posted by: JC1 Feb 21st 2007, 4:33 PM
Kind of waste to kill off a main character in such an average episode. And killed by an exploding tumor, which was caused by yet another, in a long line of Ancient deivices that don't work properly. Not the best written piece of television I've ever seen.
Apart from that, I suppose we did learn some small things about other characters. Sheppard was marrried, Lorne likes to paint, Beckett liked to fish etc. But not a great episode really.
Posted by: Revan Feb 21st 2007, 4:37 PM
Kind of waste to kill off a main character in such an average episode. And killed by an exploding tumor, which was caused by yet another, in a long line of Ancient deivices that don't work properly. Not the best written piece of television I've ever seen.
Apart from that, I suppose we did learn some small things about other characters. Sheppard was marrried, Lorne likes to paint, Beckett liked to fish etc. But not a great episode really.
I have been thinking about that.
It is statistically unusual, for them to find so many Ancient devices... and, if they work, they get demolished, and if they don't work, they either cause a catastrophe or they cause a problem that McKay needs to fix.
Posted by: Ra's_brother_Ray Feb 21st 2007, 4:37 PM
Apparently they wanted to "shake things up"... I think they accomplished that rather well.
Yeah they accomplished it very well. Being selfish and all With Carson being From Scotland you had a sense of pride in what he did. But they achieved a dramatic episode.
Posted by: JTMAG1 Feb 21st 2007, 4:51 PM
It is true that almost everything we find has a major flaw, or we manage to destroy. but most scientists have far more failures than successes...
Posted by: Revan Feb 21st 2007, 4:53 PM
It is true that almost everything we find has a major flaw, or we manage to destroy. but most scientists have far more failures than successes...
Remember when McKay destroyed a solar system?
Posted by: JTMAG1 Feb 21st 2007, 5:07 PM
Remember when McKay destroyed a solar system?
lol, I do vaguely remember something about a solar system being destroyed
Posted by: Ra's_brother_Ray Feb 21st 2007, 5:12 PM
lol, I do vaguely remember something about a solar system being destroyed
I'm sure he never meant to blow an entire solar system up...big ooops
Posted by: Revan Feb 21st 2007, 5:15 PM
I'm sure he never meant to blow an entire solar system up...big ooops
Making it a mistake.
They also overlooked the two scientists that were irradiated... that is a mistake. Rodney probably should be personally overseeing a lot of this stuff.
Posted by: Dafmeister Feb 21st 2007, 5:20 PM
They weren't exactly overlooked. Carson gave them a clean bill of health but McKay didn't know what the device did at that point.
They are dealing with Ancient tech here. They don't seem to grasp the idea that it is millions of years ahead of them and simpy turning it on can cause more harm than good. Of course, if they didn't turn things one, Atlantis would be boring.
Posted by: KillerMarv Feb 21st 2007, 5:27 PM
They are dealing with Ancient tech here. They don't seem to grasp the idea that it is millions of years ahead of them and simpy turning it on can cause more harm than good. Of course, if they didn't turn things one, Atlantis would be boring.
Yeah, that would be like: "Watch it, man, don't touch that, who knows what might happen. I mean, that could produce another episode. You want them to spend money because of your foolishness?"
Posted by: Invisible Painting Feb 21st 2007, 5:37 PM
While I admit recently it has been a lot of 'oh here's an ancient device, this should give us an episode' it makes sense really. The city is absolutely HUGE, they don't emphasise that enough but it really is so there would probably be a number of rooms that ancients simply didn't go in again because they knew it was wasted, or there was some piece of tech in there that didn't work very well. But as they had enough room to build in the city they just left some of this stuff there. It's just us now going into all these rooms of failed experiments do we activate them, when the ancients would know not to. So it's just our young curiosity which is causing the problem rather then anything else.....maybe
P.s. there is a lot of tech that does work very well, it's just never focussed on at all while these machines are. But all episodes where things work perfectly, as people have pointed out, wouldn't make as good television.
P.s. I didn't really have a problem with the exploding tumours, I know it does sounds bit...stupid, but it's a minor plot detail in an otherwise VERY good episode imo. So things like that I can overlook...
Posted by: Revan Feb 21st 2007, 5:40 PM
P.S. I didn't really have a problem with the exploding tumours, I know it does sounds bit...stupid, but it's a minor plot detail in an otherwise VERY good episode imo. So things like that I can overlook...
Its a pretty vicious and uncaring weapon... given there could be all sorts of collateral damage. I think its a good idea... though a bit uncontrolled apparently.
Posted by: Dafmeister Feb 21st 2007, 5:43 PM
It seemed from the episode that they only intended it to affect Wraith but they found out that it affected themselves too.
Posted by: FrankM Feb 21st 2007, 5:46 PM
I was sad to see Beckett die but then I guess you can't realistically expect every character to last forever. They have to lose someone sometime. Just like with SG-1, I was sad to see Janet die but then I thought, someone has to die sometime. I hope the show keeps going good as I'm really getting into Atlantis.
Posted by: Invisible Painting Feb 21st 2007, 6:01 PM
I was sad to see Beckett die but then I guess you can't realistically expect every character to last forever. They have to lose someone sometime. Just like with SG-1, I was sad to see Janet die but then I thought, someone has to die sometime. I hope the show keeps going good as I'm really getting into Atlantis.
I believe that more with this one. Janet you had the fact that the only reason they were writing her out was because they thought they were ending the show so thought why the hell not. That was just always in my mind and I never quite got the emotional impact that others seemed to with that episode.
I did here, as they did it for a character decision, which if you are going to write out a character I think should be the reason. Not just because you think "What the hell! The show's ending anyway.....whoops we've been renewed." But I have no problem with what happened, did I want it to, no. But their plot decisions are theirs and as you say these things would happen anyway. So it's just another event in the universe that the show has created, and in real life you can't control that.
Posted by: Dafmeister Feb 21st 2007, 7:24 PM
Off topic I know but there is an interesting note on Paul McGillion's website:
"On another note I am truley overwhelmed by the support that is happening for 'Carson Beckett'. Although I can not comment on the situation at this time, please know that I have had the time of my life working on 'Atlantis' and would embrace the chance to keep the good Doctor around!"
It looks like he would have liked to have remained on the show. Has there been some animosity between PM and TPTB? Why can't he comment on it?
Posted by: JTMAG1 Feb 21st 2007, 9:56 PM
perhaps it's because he can't talk about it until the show airs on scifi...?
Posted by: Revan Feb 22nd 2007, 12:52 AM
perhaps it's because he can't talk about it until the show airs on scifi...?
SciFi doesn't have SGA over a barrel though... I think their deal is different than that of SG-1...
Posted by: JTMAG1 Feb 22nd 2007, 1:40 AM
SciFi doesn't have SGA over a barrel though... I think their deal is different than that of SG-1...
I have no idea, that's just a wild guess.
Posted by: Pitry Feb 22nd 2007, 11:28 AM
Off topic I know but there is an interesting note on Paul McGillion's website:
"On another note I am truley overwhelmed by the support that is happening for 'Carson Beckett'. Although I can not comment on the situation at this time, please know that I have had the time of my life working on 'Atlantis' and would embrace the chance to keep the good Doctor around!"
It looks like he would have liked to have remained on the show. Has there been some animosity between PM and TPTB? Why can't he comment on it?
I thik because they wanted to keep it a secret. that message has been there for a while, methinks, and with all attempts to ermain vague (see NJS's "carson will disappear" comment) he couldn't asy anything. It's much a better hype to have people know that something migth happen rather than actually does, isn;t it? The only thing they didn't take into account is Movie Central...
SciFi doesn't have SGA over a barrel though... I think their deal is different than that of SG-1...
Hopefully. Sigh.
Posted by: Revan Feb 22nd 2007, 4:15 PM
I have no idea, that's just a wild guess.
I think I read it somewhere... I know SciFi had exclusive airing rights for SG-1, thats why they controlled whether or not it got produced. Or something...
Posted by: JTMAG1 Feb 22nd 2007, 4:54 PM
I think I read it somewhere... I know SciFi had exclusive airing rights for SG-1, thats why they controlled whether or not it got produced. Or something...
Are you sure it was "somewhere" Revan, are you sure it wasn't nothing?
Posted by: 38_mins moo Feb 22nd 2007, 7:10 PM
I'm not sure if it was because i knew that carson was going to die that influenced this or not, but Paul McGillion did a great bit of acting throughout that episode.
That said, the majority of this episode was average at best, until the last 5 minutes or so. Ironic or what!
Shame no-one wanted to go fishing with him.
So we know that Sheppards been married before and that Weir and Teyla are actually quite friendly with one another.
I love the sound of the bagpipes (ok so i'm slightly biased!) they just seem to add a layer of emotion to what was a sad occasion anyway!
6/10 - SG1 wins this week. I've got a feeling thats how its going to stay until the end of the season.
Posted by: SA-1 Feb 23rd 2007, 10:06 AM
What I am wondering is, did the ancients ever invent a sarcouphagus type machine which could have bought Carson back since he was only engulfed by the flames not blown to peices like the bomb disposal person ( he was very unlucky!).
Posted by: Invisible Painting Feb 23rd 2007, 10:32 AM
What I am wondering is, did the ancients ever invent a sarcouphagus type machine which could have bought Carson back since he was only engulfed by the flames not blown to peices like the bomb disposal person ( he was very unlucky!).
The sarcoughagus was derived from ancient technology. (Telchaks device) So they did have technology like that, however it has been stated that the effects on humans weren't the same as ancients (a.k.a. zombie effect) so they couldn't really have used it even if they did find one in the city. Also we don't know the extent of carsons damage as the shot cut off just after the flames got to him, we don't know how big the explosion was really.
Posted by: Revan Feb 23rd 2007, 9:20 PM
TPTB are stupid and introduce advanced technology, and the ignore its existence when it is convenient.
Posted by: Auntie Em! Feb 24th 2007, 9:56 PM
Ok what the hell? I love the fact that I did no spoilers this year but DAMN! Why the fu** kill Becket? I love the character. He was a bright spot on the show. GEEEZE TPTB are really screwing the show up! Damn! That is all I have to say about it!
Posted by: JTMAG1 Feb 24th 2007, 10:50 PM
Ok what the hell? I love the fact that I did no spoilers this year but DAMN! Why the fu** kill Becket? I love the character. He was a bright spot on the show. GEEEZE TPTB are really screwing the show up! Damn! That is all I have to say about it!
Yeah, I definitly share your sentiments. They've never heard, "If it ain't broke don't fix it". It's very frustrating.
Posted by: Invisible Painting Feb 25th 2007, 10:06 AM
Ok what the hell? I love the fact that I did no spoilers this year but DAMN! Why the fu** kill Becket? I love the character. He was a bright spot on the show. GEEEZE TPTB are really screwing the show up! Damn! That is all I have to say about it!
Yeah that was pretty much my mum and sisters reaction to that, (who weren't exactly the biggest fans of atlantis to begin with), but my sister said "I don't really see a point in watching it now tbh, and that beckett was the only likable character (As in someone you'd actually want to know in real life kinda thing)" I admit they shouldn't have, but I did have an idea it was going to happen (just an idea, not a confirmation) I think I prepared myself a bit. However I really like the show for the past year so it won't affect my watching of it, but he was a good character and it's a shame they did this without real reason really.
Posted by: Ender Feb 25th 2007, 10:20 PM
All I have to say is, bah.
At least they could have come up with a brilliant uelogy (cant spell that) like Carter did in Hero's.
Posted by: Auntie Em! Feb 26th 2007, 11:37 PM
What happened with Beckett actor? Did he want to leave or was he just written out? This so reminds me of them killing off Dr Fraiser in Stargate. So what the hell are they thinking. They regretted that move so why do the same damn thing on SGA.
Posted by: dr lee Feb 26th 2007, 11:48 PM
I read on here that he was called into the office and told that they were killing him off, He had no warning about this.
They basicly did the same thing to Beckett that they did to Fraiser, theweren't sure about a Season Four, so they kicked Becketts bucket for him.
Bad form by TPTB
Posted by: Revan Feb 26th 2007, 11:50 PM
I read on here that he was called into the office and told that they were killing him off, He had no warning about this.
They basicly did the same thing to Beckett that they did to Fraiser, theweren't sure about a Season Four, so they kicked Becketts bucket for him.
Bad form by TPTB
Well TPTB are calling it a 'soft reset'.
Posted by: Auntie Em! Feb 27th 2007, 12:05 AM
Well TPTB are calling it a 'soft reset'.
Yeah, well I would like do a little "soft reset" on the set of SGA myself ....if you get my meaning!!!!
Those dumbasses!
Posted by: shanks Feb 27th 2007, 7:04 AM
i just watched this last night and can't belive that they killed him off.
My husband said who's going to be next?
Posted by: Invisible Painting Feb 27th 2007, 4:22 PM
The 'soft reset' thing has nothing to do with beckett, that's something to do with the finale and next year. I have no idea what but it's something...
Beckett was knocked off to 'shake things up' as they weren't sure they would get another series, so they kinda wanted to make sure the audience and fans weren't so comfortable with the stability of the show and to keep them on their toes and watching. And they chose to do this. Fraiser they knocked off because they thought it was the last series, this one they just did it to shake the show up a bit.
Posted by: Pitry Feb 28th 2007, 1:48 PM
Soft reset, not very spoilrish
Posted by: Kyuss Apr 11th 2007, 3:19 PM
Ok first post here...long time watcher of this show..
this ep was sad and ive read this thread quite a bit, got kinda repetative after page 5 but anyways, this might be out there and just something i thought of, but on the subject of carson's ascention, and the arguemetns against it, it occured to me the possibility of carson not initially being killed in the explosion, someone previously mentioned the size of explosion in comparison to time of the tumor being inside the person " i forget his name"....anyways my idea being what if carson was initially injured in teh blast and didnt die. This might lead to an opening for the ascention that everyone is talking about, thats just a thought i had and i do want to hear your opinions
=)
Posted by: Dafmeister Apr 11th 2007, 5:56 PM
If TPTB wanted to say he ascended they could but it would be a cop out. If he did ascend, either he suddenly advanced to the point of ascension and figured out how to ascned in a split second or he was helped. Beckett has never been shown to have any major interaction or links with any ascended beings on the show.
Season 4 spoilers:
Posted by: Shylodog Apr 11th 2007, 6:39 PM
If TPTB wanted to say he ascended they could but it would be a cop out. If he did ascend, either he suddenly advanced to the point of ascension and figured out how to ascned in a split second or he was helped. Beckett has never been shown to have any major interaction or links with any ascended beings on the show.
Season 4 spoilers:
It would really suck for Carson's mother if he did come back. It would be kind of along the lines of McKay's oration of Anubis if his gate weapon didn't work....but less funny.
IOA: "Ma'am, we reget to inform you that your son died while bettering the planet for all mankind"
Mrs. Beckett: "No, he didn't."
IOA: "Yes, Ma'am. He did."
Mrs. Beckett: "I said no he didn't! Oh my! My heart!"
Carson comes out of the bathroom: "Hello, Mother. Who's here?"
IOA: "Opps. Nevermind. Sorry."
Mrs. Carson faints.
Posted by: Kyuss Apr 11th 2007, 7:48 PM
all i was trying to point out that in the ascendtion theroy that could be 1 possible scenario, regardless of the dispute "we saw him die so hes dead"....IMO i like to think hed come back
Posted by: Shylodog Apr 11th 2007, 11:38 PM
all i was trying to point out that in the ascendtion theroy that could be 1 possible scenario, regardless of the dispute "we saw him die so hes dead"....IMO i like to think hed come back
And there's nothing wrong with your opinion!
I was just trying to be funny. But there's more than a few fans here that would not like to see it go that route. I was extremely dismayed with this episode; I didn't like seeing one of my favorite characters treated the way he was, and it was far to reminicient of "Grey's Anatomy - Pink Mist", but when I saw the replacement in later episodes I was ok with it and settled down.
Btw, why is it always the doctors that get splashed? Daniel, Janet, Becket...Anyone seeing a pattern here?
Posted by: KillerMarv Apr 12th 2007, 1:31 AM
Btw, why is it always the doctors that get splashed? Daniel, Janet, Becket...Anyone seeing a pattern here?
Are you referring to medical doctors, or just to the people with the title "doctor"? Because, if you are referring to the title, it would have been more appropriate to address them by "PhD"s.
And no, it is not only them that get splashed. Let's remember Kawalsky and Jakob for instance.
Posted by: Dafmeister Apr 12th 2007, 4:12 AM
Posted by: SGC: Gen. Hazza Mazza Apr 12th 2007, 4:20 AM
ye lol thats the reason why daniel kept on getting killed and then returned, it was because the only ccarried the title doctor(Ph.D) and the others were actual doctors of medicine. lol poor daniel
Posted by: Invisible Painting Apr 12th 2007, 4:32 AM
The SGA team sent carsons body back to the SGC. If he did ascend, I'd like to know how they did that exactly. He couldn't have ascended imo, it would be the biggest cop out though, basically every character who they want to return they could just say they 'ascended'. Just wouldn't be beliveable, Carson had no reason to ascend whatsoever.
Posted by: SGC: Gen. Hazza Mazza Apr 12th 2007, 4:49 AM
ok i'm new here what does TPTB stand for???
Posted by: Dafmeister Apr 12th 2007, 4:52 AM
TPTB = The Powers That Be. It's a collective anacronym for the writers, directors, producers, etc.
Posted by: SGC: Gen. Hazza Mazza Apr 12th 2007, 4:54 AM
TPTB = The Powers That Be. It's a collective anacronym for the writers, directors, producers, etc.
smart. thanx
Posted by: KillerMarv Apr 12th 2007, 5:16 AM
Both Beckett and Fraiser were MDs (Doctor of Medicine), Daniel is the only Ph.D who has been killed off.
Okay, I only forgot to put the 'and "MD"s' right near my previous mention of "PhD"s. Thanks for stating that out.
Posted by: Shylodog Apr 12th 2007, 5:19 PM
I was referring to their salutations. But I guess it could be said that only "Doctors and Military Personnel" are getting whacked as that is all the SGC is made up of.
Posted by: Kanika_13 May 18th 2007, 9:42 PM
Damn, I hate it when they pollute the ocean with those golfballs.. Couldn't they just whack them through the Stargate?
That was my first thought when I watched the trailer about half-an-hour ago. So this is the one Beckett dies in, eh? I can't believe that. I was so mad when I first heard about it, I kind of don't even want to watch knowing that they're killing him off. Next to the departed Ford he was really one of my favorite side characters. I guess anyone with an "and" before they're name in the title sequence isn't worth keeping.
Posted by: Dafmeister May 19th 2007, 3:26 AM
Posted by: Mental Case May 19th 2007, 8:41 AM
And I like it that Beckett die making a sacrifice, saving a life,
You know the irony of it though? because of him, both himself and another died (assuming the guy handling it must have died). So to save one life, he sacrificed himself and another.
so will he be back? he was talking to rodney at the end like daniel talked to jack when he ascended, which i think means that he ascended. we know that the ancients can do that, oma did it on abydos maybe the ancients ascended him had hes gonna be like season 6 daniel on sg1
Well, it seems like they don't want us to know, they purposefully put in "body" comments, and they didn't do the turning into a big glowey white thing when he dissapeared, so it seems they want to leave us guessing. Yet, the simple fact they had rodney talking to carson at the end.. a logical scientist talking to thin air seems.. illogical so you can only deduce that he'd ascended somehow yet didn't want people to seek him out or try to persuade him to descend or some such.
So I guess it could go either way, but it seemed like they wanted to leave it semi open so there is the potential for an ascension thing even if they might never use it.
Posted by: Dafmeister May 19th 2007, 8:52 AM
So I guess it could go either way, but it seemed like they wanted to leave it semi open so there is the potential for an ascension thing even if they might never use it.
Posted by: KillerMarv May 19th 2007, 12:49 PM
You know the irony of it though? because of him, both himself and another died (assuming the guy handling it must have died). So to save one life, he sacrificed himself and another.
You are quite right. The unpredictable is cruel sometimes.
Posted by: Invisible Painting May 19th 2007, 2:15 PM
You are quite right. The unpredictable is cruel sometimes.
There was more then one person in the bomb squad though, weren't there two or three wheeling it through? Either way it was definately more then beckett that bit the bullet. Was a very good episode though I watched it again the other day my opinion of it hasn't changed.
Posted by: JTMAG1 May 19th 2007, 4:02 PM
There was more then one person in the bomb squad though, weren't there two or three wheeling it through? Either way it was definately more then beckett that bit the bullet. Was a very good episode though I watched it again the other day my opinion of it hasn't changed.
I only remember one guy pushing the thing. Perhaps he was wearing enough blast gear to protect himself.
Posted by: Shadowstorm92 Jun 1st 2007, 9:22 PM
NOOOOOOOOO!!! Why did they have to kill Carson?!?
The episode was really good, but. . . they could have had a great episode without killing Carson. . .
Did he ascend or was the whole conversation between him and McKay just all in Rodney's head?
Oh. And the flag that was on Carson's casket, what country was that? I didn't quite recognise it. Was it Scotland?
Posted by: Reignfire Jun 1st 2007, 9:30 PM
If TPTB wanted to say he ascended they could but it would be a cop out. If he did ascend, either he suddenly advanced to the point of ascension and figured out how to ascned in a split second or he was helped. Beckett has never been shown to have any major interaction or links with any ascended beings on the show.
Season 4 spoilers:
Like everyone else, it sucks they killed him off. Of course, I'm sure an alternate reality Beckett or two will eventually show up. Or some form of time travel. Or an alien impersonator. Or etc...
Posted by: Sylver Jun 1st 2007, 9:40 PM
Like everyone else, it sucks they killed him off. Of course, I'm sure an alternate reality Beckett or two will eventually show up. Or some form of time travel. Or an alien impersonator. Or etc...
lol, too true. However, I can't say prior to this episode I'd have mourned him. However, the show was depressing.
Not Heroes depressing, but I think I might miss him now that he's gone. And I loved the Rodney goodbye at the end. Very touching. Of course I also liked the Ronan golfing scene.
Finally, I liked the way the told this story. The flashbacks were well done and better than last week's (2 weeks ago?) explosion in the beginning then boring lead-up to said explosion. This was just excellently told. Bravo for that.
Posted by: Shylodog Jun 1st 2007, 10:47 PM
<snipped>
Oh. And the flag that was on Carson's casket, what country was that? I didn't quite recognise it. Was it Scotland?
Yes, the flag draped over his coffin is the "Saint Andrew's Cross", Scotland's national colors.
Being somewhat of a hobbiest of flags, I think that the Union Jack is the niftiest. It's the only flag that I can think of off the top of my head that incorporates all three flags of the UK (England, Scotland & Ireland).
Edit: Because I started thinking about it, I googled it and found that the "Flag of Ireland" I was thinking of was the "St. Patrick's Cross" the red saltire on a white background. If you look up the National Flag of Ireland, it's actually green, white and orange.
Don't flame me too bad...I'm a Yank after all. Albeit third generation American on my father's side.
Posted by: timrings3 Jun 1st 2007, 11:53 PM
How did you guys see the episode so early? It didnt air until today.
Posted by: qwerty965 Jun 2nd 2007, 12:02 AM
WTF?!?! WHY THE HELL DID THEY KILL DR. BECKETT?????
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Revan Jun 2nd 2007, 12:11 AM
It felt like they were setting up storylines for next season.
Dr. McKay and Dr. Brown
Teyla and Sheppard
Imaginary Carson telling real Rodney that he would be seeing him again
I'm rooting for Rodney and Katie. McKay needs to break his character mold. Sheppard would be oblivious to any sparks between himself and Teyla... and his reaction to her injury was emotional and extremely concerned.
Posted by: Kate Jun 2nd 2007, 1:42 AM
Even though I knew..... Why Carson. He was one of my favorite characters. I am really gonna miss him. I really liked Rodney's reaction.....it was very real. It is nice to see a more human side of him. Still, wow.....good bye Carson.
Posted by: IndyJan Jun 2nd 2007, 2:59 AM
All I can say is, Beckett is or was my favorite character on Atlantis. For me this was a total waste, what just to shake things up? Haven't TPTB learned their lesson from SG1 and Frasier? That was the worst mistake they ever made, now this tops it because they know the outcome from the fans and the viewers.
That being said, it was nice to see the characters getting a personality and bonding more together. Beckett's death has to stand for something. The writers should use this as a way to help the characters to grow. To help the characters realize that they need to live, not just survive and fight. Unless the writers use his death in a positive way, I probably won't be watching much.
I have wanted McKay's character to change, to grow, to not be so arrogant. Carson was their voice of compassion. He was also a voice that Mckay would listen to. In the firmary, McKay is blistering those two doctors. Carson gives him a look, and Mckay calmed down and let them off. They have to make this a way for Rodney to change.
Weir, finally having a date. They need to use this as a way for Weir to get a life outside of her office. Beckett, "Elizabeth you smell good too."
Regarding the Ancients, they had a habit of creating things that would kill, and not just the Wraith. They had a habit of pretty much just leaving it laying around. Do they destroy said item? No! Do they lock it up somewhere that no one else can find it? No! Instead like a parent they leave it laying around, for a child to find, turn on a light, push a button, turn a computer on. "No Johnny, don't touch that knife it can hurt you!" That is what the Ancients have done. Yes, I know they need to have some things that they find and try to use and it's harmful, but just about everything?
I knew as soon as Beckeet walked out with that container, it was going to be "Grey's Anatomy" all over again. I love Kyle Chandler and he played the bomb expect perfectly.
As far as the explosion, there were two military men bringing down the container. Didn't the explosion take out both of them, not just one and Carson?
I teared up on SG1 with Janet, but I balled my eyes out with Carson tonight! I'm so upset about this, and it was not needed. TPTB better watch their backs.
Posted by: StarFighter Jun 2nd 2007, 5:20 AM
I don't like that Carson was killed off. I really think it was a horrible way to shake things up. The Carson character was too big to just kill off that way. They will now bring in a new character that the team and ourselves will have to form a bond with. It took 3 years for the team to form that bond with Carson and now they will have to start all over again.
The only thing I liked about this episode was that Ronan began to show emotion because of Carson's death. I like that his tough guy "terminator" character is begining to produce a range of emotion. I feel it helps everyone connect with him.
Posted by: Dafmeister Jun 2nd 2007, 6:49 AM
Posted by: Shadowstorm92 Jun 2nd 2007, 6:45 PM
He didn't ascend, he died.
WAHHH!!!!!
Then how will he be back at all in season 4?I had only started to watch Stargate Atlantis after it returned to SciFi and already he was pretty much my favourite character.
TPTB shouldn't have killed him off.
Posted by: Shylodog Jun 2nd 2007, 7:31 PM
I won't count Carson out yet.
The ending was a bit too odd to be McKay's usual psychosis. Seemed more like Jack & Daniel when Daniel ascended. For all we know, Carson could have ascended ala-Ori: ascention through fire. Who knows?
Just because there was a casket, doesn't mean anything except they held a funeral for him. They held a funeral for Daniel too...a couple times IIRC. Having a casket doesn't mean there's a body in there. It just means they carried out a ceremony. Soldiers that die by landmines seldom have anything except keepsakes in their caskets.
Just a thought....
Posted by: sg1JaffaJoo Jun 2nd 2007, 7:47 PM
I liked the flashbacks that were threaded through the show. It was nice to see some conversations and moments that we normally don't see. Once I saw the end, I understood why Carson was in so much of it. I still can't believe they killed him! I'm curious about the story behind that.
I liked the tumor idea. I mean at least it wasn't something we've seen on SG-1 already, adapted to this show. That gets tiring. It may not seem like a realistic storyline, but it was different!
Posted by: Invisible Painting Jun 2nd 2007, 8:15 PM
I won't count Carson out yet.
The ending was a bit too odd to be McKay's usual psychosis. Seemed more like Jack & Daniel when Daniel ascended. For all we know, Carson could have ascended ala-Ori: ascention through fire. Who knows?
Just because there was a casket, doesn't mean anything except they held a funeral for him. They held a funeral for Daniel too...a couple times IIRC. Having a casket doesn't mean there's a body in there. It just means they carried out a ceremony. Soldiers that die by landmines seldom have anything except keepsakes in their caskets.
Just a thought....
There is just one flaw in plan a, they said there was a body in the casket. Rodney clearly says 'they're sending the body back...' I think the end was his hallucination, just something his mind came up with to help him get through it. The same thing that happened in grace under pressure, that was physical trauma, if it really did affect him his mind could have easily come up with it. And I'd much rather that, it was a good character moment.
As for how he'll come back...
Posted by: IndyJan Jun 2nd 2007, 8:53 PM
I won't count Carson out yet.
The ending was a bit too odd to be McKay's usual psychosis. Seemed more like Jack & Daniel when Daniel ascended. For all we know, Carson could have ascended ala-Ori: ascention through fire. Who knows?
Just because there was a casket, doesn't mean anything except they held a funeral for him. They held a funeral for Daniel too...a couple times IIRC. Having a casket doesn't mean there's a body in there. It just means they carried out a ceremony. Soldiers that die by landmines seldom have anything except keepsakes in their caskets.
Just a thought....
Actually the only time they held a memorial for Daniel was in Fire and Water. They didn't after he ascended, that was something that upset Sam because they had no way of knowing if he had died or not. The second time with RepliSam, Jack refused to hold anything because of the number of times that Daniel appeared to have died.
As much as I hate that they killed off Carson, I don't hold out much hope that M & M will handle anything regarding a possible return of Carson very well. I just don't trust them. M & M are pretty much going to be in charge of season 4 of Atlantis. That has been stated, which I think just stinks.
Posted by: Shylodog Jun 2nd 2007, 11:18 PM
There is just one flaw in plan a, they said there was a body in the casket. Rodney clearly says 'they're sending the body back...' I think the end was his hallucination, just something his mind came up with to help him get through it. The same thing that happened in grace under pressure, that was physical trauma, if it really did affect him his mind could have easily come up with it. And I'd much rather that, it was a good character moment.
As for how he'll come back...
I stand corrected, McKay did say "body". But it's the way he said it that makes me go, "hmmm..."
Actually the only time they held a memorial for Daniel was in Fire and Water. They didn't after he ascended, that was something that upset Sam because they had no way of knowing if he had died or not. The second time with RepliSam, Jack refused to hold anything because of the number of times that Daniel appeared to have died.
As much as I hate that they killed off Carson, I don't hold out much hope that M & M will handle anything regarding a possible return of Carson very well. I just don't trust them. M & M are pretty much going to be in charge of season 4 of Atlantis. That has been stated, which I think just stinks.
And I'm corrected again. Only one funeral for Daniel. /shrug
Not that it really matters. Basically what it boils down to is this is the writer's and producer's stories to tell. If they choose to use ascension to bring Carson back, I'm all for it. They don't owe me a thing, I just ask for a good story. Sometimes I don't get one, too bad for me. Doesn't mean I'll stop watching though.
It's a fantasy afterall, and when they tread too closely to reality I think it sometimes loses a little something (to me anyways). I choose to watch it for entertainment, and really don't expect anything but a fun two hours in return. In regards to M&M, I think some of the episodes of SG1 and Atlantis are the best I've watched! 200 and Prometheus being two I really enjoyed on SG1; The Tower and Misbegotten are two I enjoyed from Atlantis.
Just my rambling two cents again.
Posted by: JTMAG1 Jun 3rd 2007, 12:58 AM
I stand corrected, McKay did say "body". But it's the way he said it that makes me go, "hmmm..."
His saying that it that was was probably more related to the fact that the body would have been blown to bits in the explosion.
Posted by: Revan Jun 3rd 2007, 1:15 AM
McKay needed to say goodbye. He was actually standing on the pier, but Beckett was in his imagination.
Posted by: IndyJan Jun 3rd 2007, 2:15 AM
McKay needed to say goodbye. He was actually standing on the pier, but Beckett was in his imagination.
I happen to agree with you. But I guess we will just have to wait and see what the writers do. I just don't want Beckett to be forgotten, like they did on SG1 in regards to Janet's death. I also want is death to mean something, to move the characters on SGA along, to give them all a reason to actually have a life, to live, not just to exist.
Posted by: Invisible Painting Jun 3rd 2007, 8:54 AM
I stand corrected, McKay did say "body". But it's the way he said it that makes me go, "hmmm..."
And I'm corrected again. Only one funeral for Daniel. /shrug
I think that was more because of the fact that it upset him, talking about his body as if it's an object and not a living person was upsetting for him and I think it choaked him up a bit. But the thing is if he had ascended there would be NO body, not bits of one or anything. Just a burned suit.
And as for the tower, are you kidding that's the worst episode they've ever done by a long mile. It really put me off atlantis at the time, it's just a good thing they followed it with The long goodbye. I will agree with you though they can really hit it right, some episode they've done I've LOVED. They can write, it's just usually their ideas are sh*t
But ones like missbegotten, new order (part 1), memento mori, quest part 1 ect have been really good episodes imo. They just have a style of writing which often doesn't suit the stories they come up with and they seem to come up with pointless stories sometimes (tell me a single point in morpheus to exist as an episode straight after flesh and blood. Did they really think "Hmm, we've just had the Ori ships come through, chulak invaded. The good guys all but on the verge of gone. What story should come next...hmm, how about one where they go to a planet and have to stay awake or else bugs will eat them. Yeah that seems good." And don't even get me started on 10x18.
Posted by: Janos Jun 3rd 2007, 9:37 AM
All I can say is,
Beckett is or was my favorite character on Atlantis. For me this was a total waste, what just to shake things up? Haven't TPTB learned their lesson from SG1 and Frasier? That was the worst mistake they ever made, now this tops it because they know the outcome from the fans and the viewers.You know what's funny? After I watched that episode, I started watching my new SGA Season 2 DVD's. And in the little extra blurbs they put on them, they were talking about how the Beckett character was just going to be a minor doctor in the first season, but he impressed everyone so much that they brought him on as a full character. And it was fully of glowing reviews for him and how McGillion and Hewlett got along so well and had so much on-screen chemistry. So, it makes it doubly confusing why they'd just axe him now.....
Posted by: Invisible Painting Jun 3rd 2007, 9:52 AM
You know what's funny? After I watched that episode, I started watching my new SGA Season 2 DVD's. And in the little extra blurbs they put on them, they were talking about how the Beckett character was just going to be a minor doctor in the first season, but he impressed everyone so much that they brought him on as a full character. And it was fully of glowing reviews for him and how McGillion and Hewlett got along so well and had so much on-screen chemistry. So, it makes it doubly confusing why they'd just axe him now.....
Probably for that reason tbh, they decided they wanted to do something like that (write out a character). Figured his role was an expendable one (the doctor isn't a role that can't be replaced) and characters like sheppard and mckay can't. But they know how much fans liked him and probably thought that would have a big impact whilst being able to carry on with the show. It's just a shame that he was in the position he was in.
Posted by: Revan Jun 3rd 2007, 12:30 PM
I don't think they considered Beckett expendable... I think they wanted to make drastic changes, and set up the 4th season, so they did.
Posted by: Dafmeister Jun 3rd 2007, 1:05 PM
There are way to make drastic changes without having to limit your future options by killing off characters who are well liked.
Posted by: IndyJan Jun 3rd 2007, 4:21 PM
You know what's funny? After I watched that episode, I started watching my new SGA Season 2 DVD's. And in the little extra blurbs they put on them, they were talking about how the Beckett character was just going to be a minor doctor in the first season, but he impressed everyone so much that they brought him on as a full character. And it was fully of glowing reviews for him and how McGillion and Hewlett got along so well and had so much on-screen chemistry. So, it makes it doubly confusing why they'd just axe him now.....
See that is just what so many of us have been saying. McGillion and Hewlett do have a ton of chemistry. I truly believe they only did it because he's a character that the fans love, and they don't care about the fans.
I doubt they wanted to set up a story for Beckett in season 4.
There are way to make drastic changes without having to limit your future options by killing off characters who are well liked.
If they had wanted to get rid of a major character, then they should have gotten rid of Teyla. She is the most boring character. After 3 years, they still have not developed her. For the most part she wouldn't be missed by the fans. But Carson will be missed, and that's why they did it. I truly believe just to upset the fans, but I believe it will backfire. I know that I'm not going to be in a hurry to rush home to see the show. I know I'm not going to be taping it to watch later, especially if they handle Carson's death like they did Janet's on SG1.
Posted by: Invisible Painting Jun 3rd 2007, 4:51 PM
especially if they handle Carson's death like they did Janet's on SG1.
They did it because they decided to shake things up, and thought his role on the show (not the character) was one that was easier to refil, and how the fans think of the character will also help give the reaction they were hoping for. So they did it. Teyla they hadn't developed at all, so if they did write her out (even though not everyone would be complaining) everyone would be asking 'What was the point in keeping her there for three years?' Hopefully season 4 will change that with their plots for her but I believe they didn't feel teyla was right to write out, and I kinda agree with them even if I don't like her that much...
Posted by: Revan Jun 3rd 2007, 8:46 PM
I doubt they wanted to set up a story for Beckett in season 4.
There are way to make drastic changes without having to limit your future options by killing off characters who are well liked.
I didn't mean a story for Beckett... I mean his death as a catalyst for future arcs.
Posted by: Sighfienerd Jun 3rd 2007, 9:05 PM
Och, my puir bonny laddie.
I too, really wonder about the reasoning behind this. With Frasier, it was different because it was thought the series was ending, but this...
Posted by: Revan Jun 3rd 2007, 9:34 PM
Och, my puir bonny laddie.
I too, really wonder about the reasoning behind this. With Frasier, it was different because it was thought the series was ending, but this...
Perhaps TPTB realized that SGA couldn't carry SciFi Friday by itself, and are taking the show in a different direction.
Posted by: IndyJan Jun 4th 2007, 2:15 AM
Perhaps TPTB realized that SGA couldn't carry SciFi Friday by itself, and are taking the show in a different direction.
Where, to the graveyard? Do they want to be totally dark? I have already said, they better make Carson's death stand for something. It better not be for nothing. They better not forget him, as they have with janet on SG1. Carson's death has to make a difference in the lives of the survivors, if it doesn't, it was totally meaningless.
Posted by: Dafmeister Jun 4th 2007, 3:48 AM
Posted by: ancient01 Jun 4th 2007, 5:41 AM
Every character serves an "architypal role" in the overall storyline. I felt that Carson and Teyla were both filling the roll of the conscience. I also felt that Carson did a better job at filling that roll and that Teyla either needed to be "re-worked" or eliminated. Now what?? I, for one, and disappointed.
Posted by: jmulderscully Jun 4th 2007, 3:03 PM
Well, I tried not to cry...but it didn't work...the tears were streaming by the end of the episode. I wish that Atlantis would have done a better job of giving a "send-off" to one of its fallen members. I think the SG-1 epiosde where Dr. Frasier died was done much better than the Atlantis version. Carson's memorial service just felt very rushed. They should have made it a two-parter or something like SG-1 did (at least I think it was a two-parter...). But oh well, this doesn't make me love Atlantis any less!
Posted by: Invisible Painting Jun 4th 2007, 3:20 PM
Well, I tried not to cry...but it didn't work...the tears were streaming by the end of the episode.
I wish that Atlantis would have done a better job of giving a "send-off" to one of its fallen members. I think the SG-1 epiosde where Dr. Frasier died was done much better than the Atlantis version. Carson's memorial service just felt very rushed. They should have made it a two-parter or something like SG-1 did (at least I think it was a two-parter...). But oh well, this doesn't make me love Atlantis any less! I didn't feel it was rushed, but I wouldn't have wanted a dragged out episode needlessly, heroes was only a two parter because there were loads of stuff that they wanted to make sure they included, originally it was only going to be one episode. I do feel that this episode did act as a good send off though, they went the whole nine yards with the memorial and hallucinations at least.
But yes, I've come to a point in this show where I'm not going to stop watching, I really like it now. But these things do happen in real life (ok, maybe not exploding tumours) but not everyone is safe and they can't control what happens in real situations. Adds an element of genuinicity to the situation, although most people probably wouldn't have taken that if Beckett surviving was on the table.
Posted by: jmulderscully Jun 4th 2007, 6:18 PM
I didn't feel it was rushed, but I wouldn't have wanted a dragged out episode needlessly, heroes was only a two parter because there were loads of stuff that they wanted to make sure they included, originally it was only going to be one episode. I do feel that this episode did act as a good send off though, they went the whole nine yards with the memorial and hallucinations at least.
But yes, I've come to a point in this show where I'm not going to stop watching, I really like it now. But these things do happen in real life (ok, maybe not exploding tumours) but not everyone is safe and they can't control what happens in real situations. Adds an element of genuinicity to the situation, although most people probably wouldn't have taken that if Beckett surviving was on the table.
True, I wouldn't want them to drag the episode on too much. I guess I was maybe looking for a little more suspense...(but I do have to admit that the whole "engulfing-poor-Carson-in-flames" did catch me a little by surprise). I am glad that they did add the hallucinations at the end (with Rodney and Carson)-- that's when I cried the most! (By the way, I didn't know that "Heroes" was originally going to be one episode...hmmmm...)
And, yes, there is no way that I am going to stop watching this show now. I am completely hooked! I realize that things happen, and it's only natural to want to portray those events in the most realistic way, or as you more correctly put it: it adds an "element of genuinicity to the situation." Thanks for your input!
Posted by: cosmos Jun 12th 2007, 5:56 PM
Although I was spoiled of his death at the first half of the season, I found it a bit unexpected the way he died in the end. Engulfed in flames right when he probably was thinking "Pheww that was close"! I kinda thought myself that he got off this one, too.
I am gonna miss this guy. It's like Weir said at the funeral you couldn't find anyone who would have a complain about Carson.
I liked the way it ended with he and Rodney standing on the pier. I don't think it leaves open the possibility that he ascended as some people have suggested. For one thing Rodney would have been surprised to see him standing there and ask him about it. And of course they have sent a body back to Earth. To me it was obvious that he was just saying out loud goodbye and he was brought forth from his memory. (for our viewing benefit)
Despite killing off Carson (which I would really like to know the reason for it), I liked the episode and how there was some back story for everybody, which is always good to have. When Ronon asked about Shep being interested to Teyla, though he didn't answer, he did make a facial expression suggesting to me that he can't really see her that way. Which I liked because I am rooting for the Shep-Weir shipping moments.
That guy Mike scored a kiss on Weir on the first date? Technically only lunch, whatever. The thing is that the way it all happened as if they were a bit more than strangers to each other before that lunch, I found it a bit over the top and I am surprised she didn't react differently.
Going back to Carson's death it occurred to me that since the explosion didn't occur inside that guy it means that the tumor hasn't completed its task of collecting the elements from the body that were needed for it to become explosive.
Since Beckett removed the tumor technically it shouldn't be able to complete its task since it was removed from the raw materials. Instead it seems as though it continued building up in the few minutes/seconds it took Carson to meet up with the armored guy.
I suppose one could argue, that the tumor became explosive before it could be removed followed by a silent countdown.
Furthermore, if there is something that I absolutely hate when it happens in real life is when someone (or me) has a happy mood, a great day or whatever and all of a sudden something bad happens. You may feel like a day you want to remember, but in the end of the day you are crying or you are scared or whatever. The sudden change in how the things are is disturbing.
This episode kinda brought up this feeling for whatever reason, maybe because Carson was very enthusiastic about this trip, so very happy and anxious about it. Been talking for weeks about the trip and when the day finally came he died.
Or maybe because Rodney was very happy he got off from going fishing with him even though he was his best friend and then it backfired for him.
Anyway, I went on and on. Just some thoughts.
Posted by: Revan Jun 12th 2007, 9:25 PM
The tumor was complete... the chemical reaction that led to detonation had not finished yet.
Posted by: Teags Jun 26th 2007, 7:21 AM
Well, I must say that I am devastated that they killed off Carson! He was the greatest character! And the banter between him and Rodney was classic... it is something the show is going to miss.
I watched a behind the scenes featurette on the Season 2 box set and the producers were talking about why they wrote out Ford. They were saying that the death of a major character keeps the audience on their toes and reminds us that the main characters aren't invincible. IMO though, I think Carson was integral to the chemistry of the show, he added a sense of humour, and who didn't love that gorgeous accent.
I think that they could have easily chosen another character to kill off, without disrupting much of the show. Even Teyla or Ronon would have been a possibility?? WHY CARSON...
Posted by: Revan Jul 3rd 2007, 9:57 PM
Well, I must say that I am devastated that they killed off Carson! He was the greatest character! And the banter between him and Rodney was classic... it is something the show is going to miss.
I watched a behind the scenes featurette on the Season 2 box set and the producers were talking about why they wrote out Ford. They were saying that the death of a major character keeps the audience on their toes and reminds us that the main characters aren't invincible. IMO though, I think Carson was integral to the chemistry of the show, he added a sense of humour, and who didn't love that gorgeous accent.
I think that they could have easily chosen another character to kill off, without disrupting much of the show. Even Teyla or Ronon would have been a possibility?? WHY CARSON...
Ford sucked also though... he was a tad useless as a character... added nothing besides immaturity. Carson was great, and PM is Scottish, but from Canada, and naturally has a Canadian accent.
Posted by: linda_lol Jul 4th 2007, 7:43 PM
Damn it! I haven't watched the series for awhile since the satelitte was removed, so I go to YouTube for an update to find out that they killed my FAVORITE CHARACTER? DAAAAMN IT! Why do they kill the best of characters? Fraiser, then Carson. Why not the idiot, Ford? [/rant]
Or maybe he is mysteriously alive, especially since Daniel has died too many times.
Posted by: Dafmeister Jul 5th 2007, 3:19 AM
Posted by: Shylodog Jul 5th 2007, 11:09 AM
No, he's dead.
Until he's alive again, that is.
Posted by: IndyJan Jul 5th 2007, 7:04 PM
They do it to shake up the story. TPTB have said that they kill off characters to make an impact.
See for me, this is a useless way to try and grab the audience. No one new will look to SGA. Fans that have loved Carson will be ticked off enough to stop watching. I have said that the only way for his death to be accepted is if it means something. If we see a change in other characters. So far that has not happened. You would have thought that they would have learned after Frasier's death. The backlash from that was huge. Janet's death I could understand because they thought the show was being cancelled. Carson's death was meaningless, just a way to try and grab viewers, and like I said it will backfire.
Posted by: Dafmeister Jul 6th 2007, 6:20 AM
Posted by: IndyJan Jul 6th 2007, 6:25 PM
True. I don't see how the death of well liked character can grab more viewers. If people don't watch the show, they aren't going to tune in just to see someone die.
IMO, people like that aren't true fans. My favourite character by far is Rodney but if TPTB decided to kill him off, it wouldn't stop me watching Atlantis.
Daf, I have only been watching SG1 kind of on and off during seasons 9 and 10. Why, because RDA has been absent. I know that you didn't like him the last few years, but I have always felt it was his Jack, along with the ongoing chemistry between RDA, CJ, AT and MS that made the show for me, and for a lot of fans. I kept watching because of the history, but if they had killed off Jack, it might have been different.
As far as SGA, I have spoken to people who are going to stop because of what they did with Carson. I will continue to watch because of your spoiler. If it doesn't come to pass will I continue to watch, yes because of AT coming to SGA.
Posted by: linda_lol Jul 17th 2007, 1:08 AM
See. I rest my case. xDDDDDD
Posted by: bostjan91 Aug 19th 2007, 2:31 PM
Why did they have to kill Becket? He was almost the best actor.
Posted by: Revan Aug 20th 2007, 9:38 AM
Why did they have to kill Becket? He was almost the best actor.
To shake things up, perhaps.
It creates greater jeopardy in general, when you know that even a regular main character can be killed off.
Posted by: bostjan91 Aug 20th 2007, 12:34 PM
Yes, but we all know for one, who will probably never die - Sheppard
Posted by: Dafmeister Aug 20th 2007, 12:43 PM
How do we know that? You can't assume anything. People didn't think characters from SG-1 would die but they did. Anything is possible in the show.
Posted by: Revan Aug 20th 2007, 9:06 PM
They killed Grodin in season 1, if you will recall.
Posted by: KillerMarv Aug 21st 2007, 1:37 AM
Yes, but we all know for one, who will probably never die - Sheppard
Yes, anything is possible in the show. Actors may get sick of their role in the series and decide to move on to another TV show or even the big screen, thus vacating their character in the series, or the producers may want to get rid of an actor (
)... They would have a few choices in that case: promote the character and see him rarely (Jack, Hammond), kill the character, but leave the possibility to see the character in the future (Daniel, Kawalsky and Janet - Janet and Kawalsky through alternate universes or made-up realities), kill the character and let's end this (Jakob). As long as the option of killing a character exists for them, you can never know. I know that we may see Beckett again for an episode or two. The producers has left it open for McKay to be able to communicate with him in his dreams, in his head. But other conditions have to be met as well.
Posted by: Beckett Fan Oct 1st 2007, 4:03 AM
Yes, anything is possible in the show. Actors may get sick of their role in the series and decide to move on to another TV show or even the big screen, thus vacating their character in the series, or the producers may want to get rid of an actor (
)... They would have a few choices in that case: promote the character and see him rarely (Jack, Hammond), kill the character, but leave the possibility to see the character in the future (Daniel, Kawalsky and Janet - Janet and Kawalsky through alternate universes or made-up realities), kill the character and let's end this (Jakob). As long as the option of killing a character exists for them, you can never know. I know that we may see Beckett again for an episode or two. The producers has left it open for McKay to be able to communicate with him in his dreams, in his head. But other conditions have to be met as well.
I hope they bring Beckett back. Is there really a chance he might be coming back I hope they bring Beckett back!!!!!!!!!! Is there really a chance of him coming back to do more episodes though?
Posted by: Revan Oct 1st 2007, 10:32 AM
I hope they bring Beckett back. Is there really a chance he might be coming back I hope they bring Beckett back!!!!!!!!!! Is there really a chance of him coming back to do more episodes though? Well that was productive.
Read through the season 4 spoilers threads... I'm not sure where the pertinent information is.
Posted by: Falconone Oct 22nd 2007, 5:31 PM
The end with Rodney was touching, and left it open for some sort of Ascention story line later in the series.
I think this will happen because Paul was just confirmed for two episodes in season 4. 
Posted by: Dafmeister Oct 22nd 2007, 5:39 PM
Paul McGillion's return was confirmed a long time ago. He didn't ascend as his body was in the coffin that was sent back to Earth.
Posted by: Heru-ER Oct 28th 2007, 2:38 PM
very bad they killed Carson he was very funny
Posted by: Elke Feb 18th 2008, 4:41 PM
noooooooo!! they killed Carson!! come on!!! What The F**k!!! what do you people have against doctors... aspecially Carson!! This show sucks.....
Hi my name is Elke and I totally agree. why did they have to kill Carson? He was the sweetest character in Atlantis. The whole show lost a lot of its flair after that. I think they should bring him back somehow, maybe from an alternate reality, then he could stay forever this time.
Posted by: Revan Feb 18th 2008, 6:38 PM
Hi my name is Elke and I totally agree. why did they have to kill Carson? He was the sweetest character in Atlantis. The whole show lost a lot of its flair after that. I think they should bring him back somehow, maybe from an alternate reality, then he could stay forever this time.
Are you arguing that Carson was solely responsible for the "flair" on Stargate Atlantis? If that is the case, the show is fairly well screwed.
Posted by: Elke Feb 19th 2008, 5:58 PM
Are you arguing that Carson was solely responsible for the "flair" on Stargate Atlantis? If that is the case, the show is fairly well screwed.
No that is not what I was trying to say. It's just that I think that Carson had a very special flair. He was kind, compasionate, caring & funny. I like many of the other characters to. my second favourite character is Radek. I like the way Rodney grew from the arogant twit to a more managable person. He's actually grown a lot since I first saw him in 48Hrs in SG1. Ronon & Shepherd strike me like brothers & Tayla as their reasonable sis. I justs loved Carson the best , followed closely by Radek. I would realy love to see him back permanantly, alive. I just feel it's not the same any more. I still miss his character. I just hope they dont kill of Radek as well, if they did that then I'm pretty sure that I'd stop watching.
I nearly did the day Carson died. I actually cried, & thata's saying a lot because I don't tend to cry. No it's not just Carson who brought flair each charachter brings their own bit of flair, his just was my fav, looks like he wasn't just mine. I hope that makes you feel better, I just got the computer & I thought you got to keep things short & sweet. People please forgive me but I'm still only an amature. 
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