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Posted by: Arcady Jul 30th 2006, 10:23 PM

Episode 4 - Sateda Air Date: August 4, 2006 Ronon Dex is captured by the Wraith and returned to his homeworld, where he is haunted by his past as he is forced to once again become their prey. More info:  Episode Guide  Spoilers  Teaser  Screencaps

Posted by: Sylver Aug 4th 2006, 10:23 PM

I understand that a lot of people on this board don?t like Ronon, but I find him a fascinating character. (Sexy, too, but that?s not the point.) This episode showed him in such a different light than the little we usually get to see him.

Here, he was willing to atone for something that wasn?t his fault but the Wraith?s, and for people not only stupid enough to believe the Wraith, but who were going to kill his friends as well as him all for revenge. (Which I don?t generally have a problem with, but these people were obviously delusional to trust a Wraith.) The flashbacks showed a lot not only of Ronon?s life pre-runner, but his civilization as well.

I have a lot of questions about the planet, actually, such as why the Wraith ?allowed? Sateda to advance so far, much further than just about any other planet we?ve seen thus far, and if there are other planets out there with their high level of technology. Also, the Wraith in charge was a male. That was a change, though they didn?t explain it ? where was the hive queen? Was there a queen on this ship, or was the guy just another leader like the queens we?ve seen? (The male Wraith leader, who desperately needed a name as do all Wraith, reminded me of General Chang from Trek 6.)

So many questions unanswered, and I hope that this season will show more on this menace that the Wraith are supposed to be, rather than the nebulous evil they?re often portrayed as. The Wraith video technology is pretty cool, too.

There was a lot of insight into everyone?s character, actually. Teyla, whom I always like to see more of, tried to grow out of her limited role, and the conversation between she and Sheppard was enlightening about not only her feelings toward Ronon and her team, but Sheppard?s as well. Sheppard showed that he?s more than the sarcastic fool he?s been playing but that he has few friends and considers his team more important than many things on Earth.

Strangely enough, it seems as if Sheppard is just as socially awkward as McKay, but covers it better. Again, great insights into everyone?s character. McKay knew where Ronon was from when Sheppard didn?t, and was willing, in his own McKay way, to go after Ronon for some strange friendship/camaraderie thing. Even Beckett joined in the fun.

Posted by: Federation Aug 4th 2006, 10:37 PM

I just finished watching this eposide. It was completely stupid. The action scenes were amatuer and the acting was bad. I would of sent the Wraith to Ronon's homewolrd myself just because of the bad acting from them. Who ever wrote this eposide should be offered up at a Wraith buffet as the Golden Corral.

Posted by: tinydancer Aug 4th 2006, 11:12 PM

The episode wasn't that bad. But let's be honest, the acting is rarely Oscar winning, isn't it?

One thing I'd like to say though, in regards to the first poster, was that I didn't find the episode insightful to their characters ... I found it contradictory. We are being told and shown one thing about these characters, then we are seeing evidence to the contrary. It is confusing, and I think it is a common flaw in the both Stargate's series script-writing. Fictional characters should not be that complex and contradictory.

Posted by: Gate Jumper Aug 4th 2006, 11:50 PM

It was alright for me, I guess? Did anyone else notice Sheppard's leather jacket, were they trying to make him look cooler? I thought it was just something he was wearing on Atlantis but then he wears it when they go to rescue Ronon, Idk whether I like it or not, I think he should just stick with the old jacket.

Posted by: JTMAG1 Aug 5th 2006, 12:06 AM

I liked this episode. Just yesterday people were in this forum complaining that its the "John Sheppard Show" and now they get to see developement of other characters. It was cool to see that Ronin losing his wife and his friends to the wraith.

I would liken those particular wraith to another alien race... the Predators. They find a target that they are interested in, and they hunt. It was kinda cool to me, I always liked the predator movie. I thought they coulda made a series of one guy continually escaping from them.

Posted by: Reignfire Aug 5th 2006, 12:13 AM

I didn't even notice the jacket until I read your post while watching the end of the 2nd airing. I liked how they finally showed some of Ronon's past. While watching the episode, I couldn't help but think 'why look for ways to fight the Wraith, just send Ronon after them'.

Posted by: Revan Aug 5th 2006, 12:55 AM

Excellent episode!

I went when Sheppard tried to get mushy with Teyla. And was McKay wearing lemon boxers?

Posted by: JTMAG1 Aug 5th 2006, 1:18 AM

I liked Shep's cool leather Jacket. While watching Pegasus project, I just kept thinking over and over how the SGC's space fatigues (the black ones) looked way better the the Atlantis uniforms.

Posted by: Gate Jumper Aug 5th 2006, 1:27 AM

I noticed in this Ep too that the Wraith just killed all those people on that planet, you'd think they'd want to capture them to feed on since there's a human food source shortage in the Pegasus galaxy?

Posted by: Revan Aug 5th 2006, 1:29 AM

Not necessarily, it seemed to me that this Wraith just wanted carnage... he seems the type that really likes carnage. He was willing to sacrifice about... 35-40 Wraith just for his little war game?

Posted by: Gate Jumper Aug 5th 2006, 1:59 AM

I'm sure if his mom was there she'd be saying "You know there are Wraith out in the galaxy who are starving?!"

Posted by: Revan Aug 5th 2006, 2:06 AM

He probably murdered his mother for power. It would explain his possession of a Hive.

Posted by: Gate Jumper Aug 5th 2006, 2:08 AM

I was about to say that in my last post!

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 5th 2006, 4:09 AM

Ok now that was the best SGA episode ever made. It rocked from the first moment to the very last. I so did not expect the jumper to come like that near the end.

Those fight scenes were not amateurish. They fu**ing ROCKED!!!!

I love how much Ronon cared for his fellow team member enough to slash his own throat. Something not easily done. I love the back story on him. His anger was palpable.

Robert Cooper where the fu** have you been? Both written and directed by him. He did a bang up job. If they keep them coming like this SGA may indeed turn out better than it has fared so far.

To the person who thought the character when against what we have previously been shown you obviously do not understand humans. Often it is the ones like Shep who do not have a strong center often cover it up by being the opposite. Indeed McKay and Shep seem to be socially awkward. I loved this episode. Teyla even was breaking out of the deep rut the writers have put her in. It was great to see her break out.

MacKay and Beckett fighting over who gets to be the hero. Who would have thunk it.

That cheif was the dude that played the post master/telegraph operator on "Dr Quinn: Medicine Woman" I was so shocked to see him. He did a masterful job in the role.
The warehouse that got blown up was the same warehouse used in the XFiles game. That was extra cool!

Posted by: Saffron Aug 5th 2006, 7:06 AM

So, am I the only one who laughed so hard that she was crying when McKay took an arrow in his butt?

I liked it and although I know it was a Ronon episode and supposed to be mostly serious, I was laughing half the time.

I do think some of the fight scenes left much to be desired, not all, just a couple.

For me, McKay, again, stole the show.

Posted by: KillerMarv Aug 5th 2006, 7:30 AM

OMG, greatest episode of Atlantis EVER!!!!

I so much enjoyed McKay's "little" experience around his back... Ronon's past and present on Sateda rocked... great fighting scenes, great story. McKay and Beckett figthting on who ever gets to be Rambo was also terrific. And the way Ronon was ready to take his own life just for Shep and Teyla to be OK... As well as Shep considering Weir, Teyla, Ronon and McKay his family.

This episode (just like Auntie said) ROCKED!!!!

BTW, why did this particular hive had that guy instead of a queen? Pretty strange...

Posted by: JinxY Aug 5th 2006, 8:09 AM

WOW! That was a great SGA episode I loved the action scenes, the way the story unfoled , the fight scenes and then the flashbacks... It really did put Ronan in a different light , they should make more episodes like this. Loved how Beckett saved Ronan's life and then got a big hug for that
Mckay did it again, he was hilarious with his childish behaviour over his wound. Finally they got some cool clothes for Teyla. She looked great. Her little chat with Sheppard made me curious about his reasons for being so lonely....

Posted by: Proton911 Aug 5th 2006, 8:30 AM

nice one!

Posted by: lonejedi75 Aug 5th 2006, 9:08 AM

I loved it when Ronon killed the Wraith and then taunted the monster king wraith.

Good ep

Posted by: Osy Aug 5th 2006, 9:50 AM

Nope. LOL. My friend and I had to pause his DVR so we could laugh and not miss anything. Then we rewound it and watched the scene again and laughed for another 5 minutes. Hearing McKay scream at that pitch is priceless.

We also had to pause it during the scene where McKay was high on Morphine. That scene was hilarious.

This episode was really enjoyable and well done. IMO, this is one of the best Atlantis episodes to date.

It was nice to see Dan Payne back as the main Wraith bad guy in this episode.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 5th 2006, 10:22 AM

About time they got rid of those stupid Star Trek colour coded uniforms. I like the plain black much better.

Leather for Shep? Me likey!!!!

I loved the arrow in the butt and McKays hight pitched whines of pain!!!!!

Also the Wraith viewing screen was SOooo a rip from SeaQuest DSV's!!!!! That in itself made me scream each and every time I saw it.

Posted by: Lisa Aug 5th 2006, 10:32 AM

I am not a big Atlantis Buff. I watch it usually because I want to respect the whole Stargate Universe. But most of the time I find Atlantis to be quite a pestering show. I guess you could say I'm just a bigger fan of what is 'original'.

HOWEVER....

THIS EPISODE WAS FANTASTIC!

Ronan is never given enough props in this show, and he always looks like he's just out to kill the Wraith and little else. In this episode, it's obvious he has deeper feelings, and cares about making things right and making amends with his past and what he has done. That is respectable. And what great Characterization for the Ronan. That is just amazing. We have been with this character for a season now, and I felt like we barely knew him, but now we see him in a new light, and I enjoy that.

The camera work was great. The flashback sequences definately showed the chaos, confusion, and probably almost surreal atmosphere that must have clouded Ronan's planet when the Wraith attacked. Ronan's acting when he was pulling the glass out was amazing, and well coorindated with the flashback sequences. This episode gets a perfect 10 for editing in the finishing room.

And, let's face it...McKay with an arrow in his ass is simply FANTASTIC.


Perfect 10 to Atlantis. They definately scored A LOT better episode than SG-1 this week.

And that's saying a lot coming from me.

Posted by: JTMAG1 Aug 5th 2006, 10:37 AM

Now I'm kinda glad that last week's ep wasn't good like this. If this had been last week's ep and now last week had been now, it would have been a big SG letdown for me. SG1 was good, but not as good as last week, and this week SGA blew last week out of the water, so I was still highly entertained when it was all said and done.

I thought that maybe this predator killed the Queen, or maybe it's like a right os passage ship, where they send wraith to train from time to time. And then they go back throughout the ranks.

Posted by: ALIEN_JL Aug 5th 2006, 10:50 AM

Well this episode won't make it to the Top10 Atlantis episodes but it was better than the
last episode and Definitely much better than that Boring Boring SG1 Baal episode...

Posted by: DrM007 Aug 5th 2006, 11:38 AM

This episode kicked ass!

Ronon seems much more familiar to me than he did before. I liked all the "bullet-time" shots from the warehouse that later exploded.
I too was puzzled with the male wraith in charge of the hive. Something bad must have happened to the queen.
I was allways wondering what do his people look like and I must say that they look normal. Everybody had normal haircuts. So by their standards too Ronon looks like a "caveman". I expected them all to have like afros and stuff.
And yeah! What's up with John's leather jacket? Is he cool or what?

Also the conversation between John and Teyla was really cute and awkward at the same time.
McKay and dr. Beckett scenes allways rule! His morphine stimulated babbling was hilarious!

Posted by: ancient01 Aug 5th 2006, 11:50 AM

I really enjoyed this one. I think the biggest problem with this series is the lack of character development. They brought Ronan in, but never developed his character. This episode goes a long way toward fixing this problem. Now we can understand why Ronan is the way he is. A character has to have depth for us to fall in love with them. A show has to have developed characters for us to fall in love with it. Writing 101... Thumbs up to the TPTB.

Posted by: Reignfire Aug 5th 2006, 11:54 AM

I thought of SeaQuest too as soon as I saw it. Something I noticed bothered me after watching the 2nd airing. How is McKay able to sit down in the jumper? At first I thought maybe he had one of those special cushions, but I didn't see any noticeable height difference between him and Beckett.

Posted by: David_ofthe_Tar'e Aug 5th 2006, 12:01 PM

I really liked this ep.

As usual it is clear that Ronan needs some serious psychiatric help.

I loved finding out a bit about his past, he is one very complicated character.

Allot of new questions come up from this: What exactly is the purpose of a Runner? Was the first Wraith we saw (the dude who's eyes glowed) a genetic experiment? Are the Wraith working on some new technology? Are the keepers necessarily only female?

Why the hell was this Wriath sooo strong? I mean the Wraith from 'The Defiant One' could take a real beating but this guy was ridiculously strong.

Beckett treated him in while he was on the Deadalus before they got to Sateda. Maybe it was with some pain killers.

Posted by: Romulan Snitch- Tal'Shir Aug 5th 2006, 12:01 PM

The way i've seen it is that because of the level of technological advancement Sateda had reached the Wraith decided to Cull the planet.

As for how they got this technology could be simple due to rapid development, or storage of technology/information in a library of sorts burried in a concealed bunker from the Satedan's of the previous Culling. Remember how some 300 survivors managed to hide and escape during Ronon's time. Possibly this bunker structure was based on that of one built and hidden by Satedans of the last culling.

Posted by: Sylver Aug 5th 2006, 12:33 PM

I agree, this was the kind of writing I?ve been waiting for, something that SG-1 had (and has) in abundance and all throughout their 10 years, even with new people, but that Atlantis is missing. With luck, we?ll see more of this.

And last night it was late as I posted my original thoughts, and I had to get up early for work today, but I can?t believe I forgot about McKay?s arrow?hilarious! The end with he and Beckett was also wonderful, they really do play well off each other. Chuckling again over that.

Posted by: HAI KON Aug 5th 2006, 12:47 PM

I'm dissapointed with the final battle scene. I personally thought Ronin was going to gather all his hate for the Wraith to momentarily give him the extra strength to kick the sh** out of him in a jean-claude van damme kind of way.

Posted by: jacksworld Aug 5th 2006, 12:48 PM

I like this episode. The only problem i have about it is that i felt there should have been more. It should have been a two parter or something. That way you would have more time to dwelve into ronons life a little more, and become a little more familiar with him. Dont get me wrong some of the scenes with him and his flashbacks gave us an idea, but i feel there should have been more. Plus, i would like to add how i liked that one scene with sheppard and teyla where they are on the daedalus in hyperspace. I thought it was nice to see sheppard showing a little something about himself. It made me question as to whether he has family back on earth and stuff.....I think we need more episodes that dwell into the characters some more.

Posted by: Revan Aug 5th 2006, 12:59 PM

The Wraith with the glowing eyes reminded me of Riddick. He was even wearing sunglasses. Maybe he works out?



Yes, we finally get a glipse into Ronon's past. An insight into his character. He really has a lot of hate within...

Funny: McKay's lemon boxers, Shep continuously changing the number of Wraith he killed and Teyla just looking at him

Posted by: Gate Jumper Aug 5th 2006, 1:40 PM

I thought it was funny when Ronon was looking all tough like Brad Pitt from Troy when at the beginning when he jump and killed that soldier by stabbing him in the shoulder, and right when Ronon was about to hit/cut the Wraith, SMACK! right into that warehouse door.

Posted by: Ilzy Aug 5th 2006, 3:28 PM

Haven't written anything here for a long time but now I just felt like doing it

A great episode! But what else could you expect from the guy who has written most of my SG-1 favourites - Redemption, Heroes, Lost City, not to mention all his work in the earlier seasons! If you need someone who can put great action, humor, team dynamics and character development in one episode Rob is the man for the job!

McKay was great, especially his scenes with Beckett. We found out so much more about Ronan, moments between Teyla and Shep were great too (and NOT from a shipper perspective ). Even though Ronan was the central character here, team was what mattered in this episode. And we really saw how their relationships have developed and how far all of the Atlantis team members were ready to go for each other. In some bits it got a little to sentimental but I can live with that

Good one!

EDIT: Agreed on the leather jacket! Thumbs up!

Posted by: Revan Aug 5th 2006, 3:36 PM

I just remembered how Beckett and McKay were fighting over that large machine gun, but Ronon killed most of the Wraith before they got a chance to do anything. I knew Ronon was going to hug whomever answered when he asked 'Who killed him?'...

Posted by: Buck Aug 5th 2006, 4:34 PM

I just finished watching the episode and I have to say that it's a really good episode for the following contentions.

Firstly it's one of my favorite episodes throughout the whole Stargate Atlantis series because it talked about someone's past history clearly and thoroughly. It's what I like most about historical episodes is that it gives someone a full spectrum of the person.

Secondly I found it amusing at the same time -- Mckay got shot!! That was just hilarious for me because to my knowledge I don't ever think Mckay ever got shot.. it was just hilarious when he was sitting on the table mumbling about his dilemmas and etc. Speaking about amusing, that one scene w/ Mckay & Beckett was also good too.. and I notice how we got into a bit about Sheppard's own personal life - standing up for his family and everything. This episode really got to me because everyone was connected with themselves in a way. It talked mainly about "No man being left behind" kind of thing and it was really & clearly emphasized.

Thirdly.. it just got my blood pumpin. When I was watching SG1 two hours back I was like.. hmm okay not so bad but when I watched Sateda it was just.. pumpin & smashin. The background music really gave a good taste to the episode when Ronon was running.. adding flashbacks about his girlfriend/wife that he had. It was just great.

Oh I also noticed that leathered jacket.. hahah

Posted by: Osy Aug 5th 2006, 4:48 PM

Ok, if you want to get technical....The Wraith have catlike eyes. Vertical pupils. Animals that have this feature have it because it helps with night vision. Mix that with many animals having that mirrored lens in the back of their eyes that helps reflect extra light in the dark to help them see much better. So, it seems the Wraith have a natural kind of night vision. However, I could be completely wrong, and the sunglasses could have been protecting his eyes because of sensitivity because they made this Wraith like Riddick.



Were they lemons? I thought they were yellow smiley faces.

Posted by: Revan Aug 5th 2006, 4:57 PM

So did I originally. Then I thought they looked like some sort of citrus, probably lemons. I could be incorrect though.

Posted by: Ancient Kane Aug 5th 2006, 6:02 PM

Great Ep. Ronons episodes are always full of action and are much more fun to watch than episodes starring Teyla. I thought that the first wraith sent to kill Ronon looked like something out of the matrix. Maybe it was just me. Nice flashbacks we really get to see how harsh it is to be in a thriving society when the Wraith are about.

Posted by: BlackMercury93 Aug 5th 2006, 7:36 PM

Did anyone else find this to be sort of like The Matrix?

I mean, there was the Wraith with glowy eyes that could see Ronan in a weird way. And then there was the slow-motion shots of Ronan avoiding wraith blasts in the warehouse. And then the Head Wraith was all strong and stuff.

Haha, the writers are always joking about ripping off of some movie for Stargate, I think the Matrix was the object of interest this episode.

Posted by: JTMAG1 Aug 5th 2006, 7:50 PM

I also thought it was hilarious when Sheppard increased the number of wraith he killed, to be more than Teyla. d when Ronin hugged Beckett, he was like, "I coulda killed him at any time..." I thought this was very entertaining. And IMO chemistry between each character is getting much better.

Posted by: Revan Aug 5th 2006, 9:33 PM

Yes, that pleased me as well. We saw good interactions between characters. Also, each character grew. We learned more about them... I am thinking they realized fans were annoyed with lack of character growth.

Posted by: Sighfienerd Aug 5th 2006, 9:39 PM

I liked that they were trying to fill in some backstory for Ronan. ( How the hell do you spell that guy's name?) He's always been very much an enigma. I liked that they gave him some material that he could really ham it up with (which he did admirably). I liked the homage to the western as a genre.

I liked that we got to see a sensitive, serious side to Sheppard (finally!), and I especially liked how they didn't make him out to be a slut (when talking to Teyla), but someone that genuinely cared as a friend.

But though I liked a variety of elements in the script, it didn't really work that well (for me) as a whole.

I did get some giggles out of the "gluteus maximus, gluteus maximus....you mean my ass???"

McKay shot in the ass! What a hoot and so karmically suitable too.

Posted by: tauri129 Aug 5th 2006, 10:03 PM

i really liked this ep. possibly the best relationship episode atlantis has ever had. i loved the scene with sheppherd and teyla when he tentatively reaches over and pats her hand. i also loved the irony in mckay's choice of boxers and when sheppherd keeps increasing the number of wraith he killed lol.

Posted by: LyaOfTheNox Aug 5th 2006, 10:35 PM

Ok, this ep was better than I thought it would be, I accually kinda liked Ronan in this episode. Normaly he's all like "Me Ronan, me kill you now" but he had accual feelings in this episode. I finally noticed how hot he is, I couldn't see it before And didn't want to, but I found myself really liking the fight scenes with Ronan and all the wraith. Except when they killed 25 of them in, what, 5 min? Every other episode, they emphasize how hard wraith are to kill, but all of a sudden, for this episode they all go down with one bullet.

I loved Mckay's high pitched wailing! He's my baby, I wanted to hug him Glad to see he's a boxer man; I prefer boxers to briefs. One more reason to love

And is it just me, or was that conversation b/tw Carson and Rodney about who was closer to Ronan extreamly slashy?

Posted by: Reignfire Aug 5th 2006, 11:06 PM

I was thinking the night vision could be something that carried over from their Iratus bug origins since those live in caves.

Posted by: Revan Aug 5th 2006, 11:29 PM

Do they even have eyes? I can't remember... I thought they used some sort of echo-location... it would explain all the noise they make...

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 5th 2006, 11:44 PM

People tend to think Bats don't have eyes because they use eco-location but they still have eyes. I bet those nasty bugs do also.

Posted by: Revan Aug 5th 2006, 11:52 PM

Bats have truly superb eyesight... Echo-location is like an addition... it makes it even easier for them to find their prey.

Posted by: IndyJan Aug 6th 2006, 12:53 AM

Okay, I have been complaining left and right about Atlantis, but this episode was asbolutely awesome! I loved it all, from start to finish.

I have been saying, please, please tell us about Ronon. I have liked him from day one. I loved Ronon's flashback scenes showing us his life, his team, his home and just why and how he became the fighter that he is.

McKay getting shot in the glutius maximus, was hysterical. The poor military guy trying to get infrom from Rodney was so funny. I do believe McKay was wearing yellow/lemon boxers with some red on them. Were they lips?

I like Shep and I especially liked his scene between him and Teyla. Shep would not leave someone behind. In that regard, Shep is very like O'Neill. Even Weir said they would not leave someone behind, very Hammond/Landry like.

Finally, they made Teyla someone I could watch. Her scene with Shep was so good. Then when she kept telling Shep not to kill the Wraith. Ronon would be very angry.

This episode had great comedic scenes also. McKay and Beckett arguing about who would help them and be Rambo was hysterical. They argued so long, Shep, Teyla and Ronon had taken out the 25 Wraith. They Beckett flying the jumper and powering up the drone to take out the head Wraith was so good. Carson is not comfortable with the Ancient gene, but he used it to fly the jumper and the shoot the drone. Then facing Ronon, and McKay chickening out and saying it was all Beckett's idea and everything!

Oh and Shep saying he got six, and hearing Teyla say she got 8, then changing his kill to 9, and then 11 or 12, was so so funny.

A very good episode indeed!

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 6th 2006, 1:48 AM

I sooo agree Indy. It was awesome! Robert C Cooper needs to keep writing and directing. This was great. Just great!

I just finished rewatching it and I think it was happy faces on undies though, if it was lemons it would be a way for McKay to control his allergy in some way.

Posted by: Gate Jumper Aug 6th 2006, 2:04 AM

That was probably the funniest part of the whole Ep, Mckay shot in the ass!

"That shot in the ass served us well!"

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 6th 2006, 3:01 AM

Someone said something about how come McKay sat in the Jumper. Well, he could sit it was just painful for him. There should have been nothing wrong with him sitting on his ass. We do surguries on asses all the time and the patients can sit on thier butts no problem!

Medically the only thing I had trouble with was that McKay stated "I cannot feel my leg" that screams of sciatic nerve being injured. If that was so, he would never have healed that quickly if ever at all.

Posted by: Osy Aug 6th 2006, 6:16 AM

Oh totally! While my friend and I were watching it, I said, "Oh look. They're having a lovers spat." Even my friend who isn't really into the slash genre totally sees the slashiness between Beckett and McKay. I think the slashiness between the two is great!

Posted by: KillerMarv Aug 6th 2006, 6:38 AM

Well, we should take it into account that this is McKay we're talking about. Any painful moment would be clearly exagerated. Like that moment when we just had a splinter (a really painful one)...

Posted by: dr lee Aug 6th 2006, 11:01 AM

First time this season that SG-A was more fun to watch than SG-1.

i LMAO when Mckay was shot in the ass. The look on his face was priceless and his sing-song while under the meds was classic. I loved the Lemon boxers

We found out quite alot in this one, Where Ronon came from physically and emotionally and about Sheps family situation.

I also thought that the Beckett/ McKay fight over the gun had some rather strong slash themes.

Typical Shep wanting everyone to think that he got more wraith than Teyla

Why can't RCC do more of these?

Posted by: Josh Aug 6th 2006, 11:30 AM

I agree, this episode was the best this season in my opinion. Due to the character development of Ronan that has been missing so far. And of course due to the comedic effect of McKay, absolutely hilarious! It's what makes an episode worth watching

Posted by: Revan Aug 6th 2006, 12:05 PM

McKay likes to whine...

But that was hilarious, McKay getting shot with an arrow, in the ass.

Posted by: Sighfienerd Aug 6th 2006, 1:34 PM

Though when you have a deep injury it can just seem like the surrounding area has gone numb. I cut my pinky pretty deeply with scissors a few weeks ago and part of my finger felt numb, and even still feels a little funky to touch though it's closed up.

Even though that was a fairly serious injury that Rodney sustained, I can still totally see him saying anything he had to in order to get the maximum amount of attention .

Posted by: Ziu Aug 6th 2006, 1:50 PM

Finally a decent action episode where action outnumbered the talking.

Question: How come this Wraith ship had a male in command ?? For some reason, I thought a Queen was always in command of each ship.

Posted by: IndyJan Aug 6th 2006, 2:22 PM

Oh my stars, I thought I was the only one. It was definitely a slashy moment between Beckett and McKay, but also about how they felt about Ronon. Beckett to McKay, "have you ever had a conversation with him?" "You call him caveman behind his back." McKay, "It's a pet name, we have pet names." So yes, very slashy indeed.

Posted by: FreshPez Aug 6th 2006, 6:54 PM

Best .... ep.....ever.

And it was needed right now. We needed to see scary wraith not on ships. And we needed to hear about ronan.

The wraith were getting less scary for a while. I admit they all went down pretty easy, but still a good ep.

Posted by: Revan Aug 6th 2006, 6:57 PM

Well at least we found out what Ronon looks like when he is really angry...

That big guy was freaky... He was the scariest Wraith I have seen yet.

Posted by: IndyJan Aug 6th 2006, 7:10 PM

I'm sorry but the Wraith do nothing for me. I have never been frightened or intimidated by them. They are so cliche, that it's not even funny! A semi-Wraith, semi-Human, like Michael would appeal to me more. At least he wouldn't be cliche, and I wouldn't be laughing at them.

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Aug 6th 2006, 7:11 PM

I have always been a fan of Ronon, and this episode just sealed the deal. His character was a fantastic addition to this show, with lots to work with. I am very glad they went back to explain (to a certain level) what it would have been like to be a runner AND a defender of your homeworld against the wraith. We have also learned that there were Satedians who made it off the planet alive. I forsee a showdown in a future episode? There was/still is much potential for Ronon and they are doing a good job at developing his character, but not too quickly. Now, if only they could start this with Teyla all would be good in the world of Atlantis.

Plus Ronon's armour was badass. Why use that also badass looking trenchcoat when you can use the armour AND trenchcoat!

Posted by: Revan Aug 6th 2006, 7:15 PM

Ronon already killed Kel... remember? That is the man Ronon told his wife about... the one who sacrificed his troops to escape himself. Like 300 Satedans escaped the culling.

That was episode.... SGA 206 - Trinity

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Aug 6th 2006, 7:20 PM

I couldn't remember the specifics around who that guy was. I was thinking that he was some form of rebel leader or something .... it's been a while since I've seen early season 2 and there have been many a TV series watched since then. Thanks for pointing it out though!

I wonder then, is there a colony/refugee camp that has these 300 Satedians in it? (I'm thinking along the lines of the people of Ishbal from Full Metal Alchamest for some reason, probably because I recently watched the entire series )

Posted by: Revan Aug 6th 2006, 7:23 PM

Never seen that show... but I got the feeling some of the spread out, and some formed their little trading company thing with Kel as leader, though he is now dead...

Posted by: Samara Draven Aug 6th 2006, 8:34 PM

Isn't it possible that the arrow was coated in a weaker formula of that sedative? Or whatever it was the darts that took down Ronan, Teyla and John? Couldn't that have caused numbness in his leg?

Posted by: IndyJan Aug 6th 2006, 9:35 PM

Yes, thank you! I had remembered that some had survived, but I couldn't remember how many. My question still remains. Was/is Ronon unique in that the Wraith cannot feed on him? That is why they made him a runner. Or is it something genenic to his people?

Posted by: Revan Aug 6th 2006, 9:47 PM

We were given no such answer. I do not recall seeing any Wraith feed upon a Satedan. We only saw them killed while resisting.

Did they say Sateda was destroyed or culled in 206?

Posted by: Lagger Aug 6th 2006, 9:56 PM

i woulda thought they would just destroy anything that resisted, adn culled the rest....

makes sense..

why waste a food source..

we dont just kill pigs, and leave em to rot, we eat em

Posted by: Revan Aug 6th 2006, 10:01 PM

Your logic is astounding.

The Wraith seem to eliminate any large mechanized threats, before culling everybody for food...

The question is, are the Satedans immune to the Wraith feeding process...?

Posted by: Samara Draven Aug 6th 2006, 11:00 PM

I don't recall it ever being said that Ronan is immune. He said in 'Runner' that a Wraith started feeding on him and for some reason, he stopped and was made a runner shortly after. The Wraith king or whatever you want to refer to him as in 'Sateda' told Ronan that he'd fed on the people of his world. So I assume that Satedans aren't immune to Wraith feeding as a whole and we've never been given anything conclusive to assume that Ronan is. I don't think they made him a runner because he's immune. For one, it wouldn't make sense. Why let a human with such an ability live and risk him passing on his genes? It wouldn't matter in the short term but the Wraith live so long they have to be conscientious of how their decisions can affect evolution eons from now.

Just my humble opinion.

Posted by: Dan70 Aug 6th 2006, 11:12 PM

Any episode mckay gets shot in is okay by me!!!

Posted by: Revan Aug 6th 2006, 11:30 PM

Intriguing. Well, that means it is canon that Satedans are not immune to the feeding. I think I remember the Wraith that tried to feed on Ronon looking kinda pissed. So I assumed he was unable to feed. Because he was a warrior and they still wanted to get some use out of him, they made him prey for their hunters to train.

Posted by: Samara Draven Aug 7th 2006, 1:01 AM

That is still a viable theory. It hasn't been stated otherwise. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Posted by: kordone Aug 7th 2006, 1:22 AM

Is it possible that they had their own version of the protein mentioned in 'Poisoning The Well', that interferes with the Wraith feeding process?

Posted by: Reignfire Aug 7th 2006, 2:19 AM

It would be the equivalent of Aris Boch's race to the Goa'uld, but we don't know either way. I lean towards the 'unable to feed on him' theory mainly because of the Wraith's reaction from 'Runner'.

Posted by: Revan Aug 7th 2006, 2:51 AM

The synthetically produced protein from Poisoning The Well was problematic... it killed half he population, and any Wraith who fed on those left. the Wraith probably destroyed that world by now.

Didn't Aris Boch's race become physiologically dependent upon a narcotic produced by the goa'uld?

Sateda was grownig powerful enough to be a threat to the Wraith, so they were wiped off the face of the planet.

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Aug 7th 2006, 2:54 AM

That is how I see it too. The wraith recognized that they were too powerful, and were now causing them problems as mentioned in the "we shot down two of their ships that came through the gate" line. So the wraith decided to eliminate them.

However, since the Satedians were a very strong and proud race AND the wraith are evil bastards, they made a select few "runners" so that even after their city was destroyed, the wraith could take pleasure in their suffering.

Posted by: kordone Aug 7th 2006, 4:40 AM

I'd say that looking at Sateda, looking particularly at their technology they might have found away around the problem that the Hoffans had.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 7th 2006, 7:59 AM

All the Sateda were immune I thought. None were feed upon. They were either made runners or slaughtered and left to rot where they fell.

Posted by: Romestar Aug 7th 2006, 9:06 AM

I thought this episode was kind of bland. It wasn't suspendful even though there was a lot of combat, and I thought the flashbacks of Ronon's homeworld where kind of poor.

Posted by: Revan Aug 7th 2006, 11:48 AM

The Huge King Wraith said that he fed on Satedans originally, and he would watch Ronon die, or something?

Posted by: Dafmeister Aug 7th 2006, 12:43 PM

That was because it wasn't refined. Given that the Satedans were technologically advanced they could have come up with something similar and ensured it worked.


That was only because the Goa'uld wanted to make sure they were subservient and wouldn't become a threat.

Posted by: J&S4Ever Aug 7th 2006, 12:48 PM

I finally got to see the episode! Soooo Much better than last weeks!!!

Ronon's character got a big boost with this episode. I think that's what this show needs...a little more character development to make us care more about them.

The interaction between the team is more evident here, but without the character development, I don't see how Sheppard can say that they're his family. The chemistry between them so far has been tepid, but with a few more episodes like this one we might be able to see what he means.

Beckett getting the Wraith Lord was so awesome! "Let him sue me!" Hilarious!

I really enjoyed JM's acting. He seemed very genuine to me.

Posted by: EH Stormcrow Aug 7th 2006, 3:03 PM

I was thinking in Allies they said this about Keepers:

Which means Keepers are a seperate faction, maybe the Wraith we have seen in this ep are another faction, a "Hunter" faction.

As for Ronon, I think they kept him as a Runner because he was, to their knowledge, the last of his people, he would never settle down and rebuilt a society on his own, he's just a hopeless survivor. But instead of killing him they saw he had the will to continue fighting, hence making him a Runner.

Posted by: ted_simple Aug 7th 2006, 4:02 PM

Well well well. I played a round of UnrealTournament afterwards and managed some slick moves myself. But Ronan's performance was ... alright. I won't complain.

Posted by: startreksuite Aug 7th 2006, 7:56 PM

Really great episode! I know a few forum members felt SGA was becoming the John Sheppard Show, but this episode definitely steered away from that! I'm not a Ronan fan, but seeing what he went through (the loss of his wife, his people, and his men). I definitely loved the that whole matrix/equilibrium scene when he blew away all those wraith, with the guns strategically placed in the warehouse. I thought it was hilarious that McKay got shot in the ass with the arrow, with Sheppard saying later, "That must be a real pain in the ass! I also liked it was Carson who shot and killed the Wraith leader, though I thought it would be more dramatic if Ronan killed him, like in SG1's episode "The Warrior", where a superior Goa'uld was killed by Teal'c. I hope TPTB keep these great episodes coming!

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 7th 2006, 8:02 PM

StarTrek why did you quote the thread starter? It is quite unnecessary and silly. You did not even quote anything in it or refer to it at all!

Posted by: Revan Aug 7th 2006, 8:13 PM

Imhotep, posing as Kytano.

Matrix/equilibrium? I know matrix.. but what is the second?


I thought that too. TrekSuite, you did not need to quote that... we know what episode this is, it is the specific episode thread for Sateda.

Posted by: magnavox Aug 7th 2006, 9:54 PM

Now this is what I call entertainment. It had the right mixture of comedy, adventure and the characters got some depth (loved Ronon's back story too), great cinematography and the location for Sateda was awesome.

MacKay being shot and Shep's heart to heart with Teyla were certainly the highlights of this episode.

Posted by: macca99 Aug 7th 2006, 10:10 PM

id have to say this was one of the best atlantis episodes so far. on of the few i watched twice.

Posted by: IndyJan Aug 7th 2006, 10:14 PM

Okay, I could have sworn I remember Ronon telling Shep and Teyla when they found him that when the Wraith attempted to feed on him, they couldn't. It was why they made him a runner. Someone that would test them, etc. This is why I asked whether all of his people were immune to feeding, or was Ronon unique in some way. Even in this episode, the Wraith that came after him had weapons. They didn't appear to be trying to feed on him.

Oh and Em, I rewatched the episode, I think McKay's shorts were yellow and did have lips. They didn't appear to be smilie faces to me, but then I can't pause and move forward slowly, so I could be wrong.

Posted by: Revan Aug 7th 2006, 10:26 PM

Any reasoning behind that statement?


Exactly, I remembered Ronon telling the team that the Wraith could not feed on him, so they made him target practice instead... In this episode, the head Wraith was a lover of violence and carnage... he just wanted to see Ronon die a horrible death at the hands of his minions.

Yellow lips? I still say they were citrus!

Posted by: kordone Aug 7th 2006, 11:58 PM

hahah... lol

Posted by: unseen_shadow Aug 8th 2006, 12:17 AM

I was really hopeing to learn something new about the blaster; or at least where
Ronan got it ... oh well maybe next episode

Posted by: Revan Aug 8th 2006, 12:28 AM

They might not tell us at all... realistically, it could be used as part of a storyline later... though I have no idea how...

Posted by: Gate Jumper Aug 8th 2006, 12:39 AM

Did anyone else notice the different Wraith guns they used, they werent the ones they used before with the sharp stick on the other end, the ones used in this episode looked like mocked up versions of those guns used in an sg-1 episode "New ground"

http://www.stargatecaps.com/sg1/s3/319/html/3X19%5F146.html

Dont have any Pictures from the SGA episode to compare but I know they're the same prop, but I wanted to know if this was a new hand weapon from the Wraith, or a more powerful stun gun?

Posted by: Revan Aug 8th 2006, 12:49 AM

Incorrect.

They are vaguely similar, but different They have been used in previous episodes. These are more organic looking, and only stun.

Posted by: ted_simple Aug 8th 2006, 3:06 AM

Another movie with cool fight scenes. It's a utopia similar to Brave New World (the book) insofar as the authorities try to suppress deeper emotions, but while in BNW people are taking drugs to tranquilize themselves and for pleasant emotions, in Equilibrium they take a drug to suppress all emotions, so they are entirely governed by cold blooded 'reason'. Some of them are trained in the arts of fighting, but only those few who retain intuition and a trace of feelings can really kick ass.



According to http://www.moviebodycounts.com the character of John Preston (played by Christian Bale) has the most onscreen kills in a single movie ever. His kill-o-meter is set at 118.

Posted by: GateShip#1 Aug 8th 2006, 4:13 AM

now we know that Ronon had a lover but sadly died, and also i loved the new uniform (looked new) that the Atlantis Team were wearing, and i like the leather jacket sheppard was wearing.

Posted by: mike2000z28 Aug 8th 2006, 5:02 AM

great episode, good laughs all around as well.

Posted by: startreksuite Aug 8th 2006, 6:27 AM

Equilibrium, which came out after the Matrix, starred Christian Bale as an Enforcer who destroyed things that brought people emotion, because emotion was considered Humanity's downfall. Lots of matrix type moves, but the moves were more based on how he used a gun, aimed it, etc. Yes I know Revan and Auntie Em!, that quote was unnecessary. I accidently hit quote post when I wanted to do was reply, and put in my two cents. By the time I noticed my mistake I had already made my post, and thought it might look silly, but didn't feel it necessary to go back and fix it. Well, I guess the next time I post I will think out more carefully what I am doing, because I'll know you and Auntie Em! are watching

Posted by: Osy Aug 8th 2006, 6:45 AM

Two things...

One...Equilibrium is a kick-ass movie! I own the DVD. I love this movie. It has the coolest action sequences. Christian Bale did an awesome job in the film (as always). I highly recommend seeing this movie.

Two...

The thing is though, just before Beckett shot the head Wraith with the drone, the head Wraith positioned himself and had his hand over Ronan like he was just about to feed. So, apparently the writers forgot they had written that Ronan couldn't originally be fed upon.

Posted by: fan_83 Aug 8th 2006, 6:57 AM

or it could just be that the head hencie does't know that ronan can;t be fed upon... it could jsutb e a different group of wraith who are hunting runners for target practice...

Posted by: kordone Aug 8th 2006, 10:45 AM

True, could be, but you would expect him to know that.

Also a little nitpick. When Ronan is having one of his flashbacks, he is talking about the trading everything that he & his lover owned to get her on his personal staff. This is where he says "he is a commander &his personal staff get to go through the gate", or something like that. Now in 203 - Runner Shepherd mentions the name Stargate & Ronan has no idea what he is refering to. Then Ronan tells Shepherd & Teyla that he always had known it as "the ring of the ancestors".

Posted by: Dracken Aug 8th 2006, 12:07 PM

Definately one of the better Atlantis Episodes.

McKay getting hit with the arrow was priceless.
It is good to get some background history on Ronin.

I was thinking that Ronin said he was immune to feeding. I am not sure if the immunity is random or what. They did mention other runners in the episode when they were tracking him down so I don't think it is limited to just Satedans.

Posted by: KillerMarv Aug 8th 2006, 12:18 PM

A very good nitpick, Kordone. Nice find. The writers always seem to forget some things about the scripts in the past. It is only human that they make these small mistakes.

Posted by: Samara Draven Aug 8th 2006, 1:50 PM

I just watched the part of 'Runner' where Ronan says, and I quote, "A Wraith started to feed on me... but something made him stop."

As far as I know, that doesn't conclusively mean that Ronan is immune. He looked mighty uncomfortable when the Wraith was feeding on him. Plus, it's never been mentioned. I think Beckett would've pointed it out. And why make a runner if you can't have the pleasure of feeding on him if you're the one who caught him?

King Wraith in 'Sateda' did say that he'd fed on the humans of Ronan's homeworld so I would think Satedans aren't immune. Their technology didn't look terribly advanced. They looked to be about a decade or so behind us. They have projectile weapons and explosive devices. Their armor looks cool. But I didn't see any advanced tech so I doubt they figured out the Hoffans problem with the immunity drug killing half the people.

If Ronan is immune and it is natural, I don't think in that case it would kill a Wraith. The Hoffans never said the orginal protein carrier caused the Wraith to die. Just that he'd survived. I think natural carriers are just immune to feeding and the synthetic version is what's deadly to the Wraith, for whatever reason.

I do agree that the Wraith came and culled the planet because they felt the Satedans were becoming too advanced but not that they were more advanced than our level. The destruction we saw them wreaking would support that because the Wraith wouldn't have wanted to leave them anything they could rebuild with laying around. So first, they destroyed all the major cities and culled as many as they could, leaving nothing and no one to rebuild later.

Whew! I'm done.

Posted by: fan_83 Aug 8th 2006, 3:41 PM

i would say that teh satedans are more advanced than earth... how else would ronan get his cool gun that can both stun and kill..

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 8th 2006, 3:46 PM

I think that the Ancients protected that planet like they did all the human life on all planets. As the Wraith attack increased they were forced to abandon planet after planet. I theorize that Sateda was one of the last to be abandoned and that is why they were so advanced.

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Aug 8th 2006, 3:55 PM

After seeing this episode, it almost looks like Ronon got his gun from another planet (most likely one he took shelter on) since we saw no other evidence of weapons similar to his on the planet.

Posted by: JTMAG1 Aug 8th 2006, 4:20 PM

I agree. The weapons on Sateda required more tradition ammo. PLus, if he got the weapons on Sateda, he would probably have had them in his memories.

Posted by: Samara Draven Aug 8th 2006, 4:30 PM

Dunno. But I didn't see anyone on Sateda, Ronan included, that had those when they were fighting the Wraith during the flashbacks. I think he may have picked that up from someone else, somewhere else.

What I saw in the flashbacks didn't look more advanced than Earth and the attire looked behind as well.

Posted by: Revan Aug 8th 2006, 4:42 PM

Would you like to elaborate?


So... either Ronon is not immune, and the Wraith that fed on him just decided he would make a better runner.... or The King Wraith was going to crush his skull in, because he still had armor on. I think the latter is more likely.



He probably got it from somewhere he visited.

Posted by: Ziu Aug 9th 2006, 8:25 AM

Sorry, but I disagree. There is no excuse for not knowing what happened in past episodes if you are writing for a Television Series or Movie Sequals.
When it happens in a story on SG-1, people let them use the excuses that they are in Seson 10. Stargate Atlantis is only in it's third season. What will happen if SGA ever gets to a tenth season ???

Posted by: IndyJan Aug 9th 2006, 10:35 PM

I don't think he was going to feed on him. Like I said the other Wraith that had come down had weapons. They didn't appear to be trying to catch him and feed on him. I think he was just holding Ronon down and was ready to break his neck or twist it or something.

Whether Ronon's immunity was unique or not, I feel that is why he cannot be fed upon. We saw from the very first episode, Season 1, that even a second of feeding ages a person. When they showed Ronon in flashbacks telling Teyla and Shep about how he became a runner, he did not age. The Wraith attempted to feed on him, but couldn't, he stopped. Any feeding whatsoever should have aged him some.



Em that is a good theory. Sateda did appear to be further advanced technologically than other planets that they have visited. Most of the planets so far appear to be villages, farming communities.

As far as Ronon's gun, I agree I think it was something that he picked up along the way when running.

Posted by: Revan Aug 9th 2006, 11:54 PM

Well, he was wearing armor... I don't think the Wraith Lord could feed through metal armor. I put my money on the wraith crushing his skull in.... he looked pretty strong.

Posted by: Osy Aug 10th 2006, 12:10 AM

Yes and No. In the Village they first showed up in, in that episode, when Ronan had the flash back of that Villager's daughter being fed upon by one of the Wraith Warriors, she was screaming as he was feeding on her and they showed...like 5 seconds or so of that but she wasn't aging at all. She should have been but she wasn't. I think it just all depends on the amount of money they can put into special effects.

As for the armor, when he first picked up the armor of the dead body, part of the armor was rubbery. It seemed only the upper breast plate was metal.

And I'm telling you, the way the Head Wraith movied his arm and hand and then had his hand positioned over Ronan is the same as all the Wraith we have seen move and position their hands just as they are about to feed.

Posted by: Revan Aug 10th 2006, 1:05 AM

And that was my original thought, but then I was like, 'but he has armor on?'

Did they film the backstory now, or when they originally introduced his character. I know some of the footage from this episode was in Runner as well.

I rewatched Runner, and the Wraith that tried to feed on him looked at his hand with anger or annoyance, as if he realised nothing was happening.

Posted by: Osy Aug 10th 2006, 8:13 AM

Well, we all know Stargate is known for their continuity and lack of mistakes.

Posted by: Sibylle Aug 10th 2006, 11:19 AM

pfft, weak epp. very weak!

The story is improbable, just why would you put the first team in danger for some stupid hunt? just run and kill the hive later.

The wraight are strong and highly developed but in this epp the only thing they are is stupid and easy targets, very easy and very stupid !
The only thing they seem to do is walk around with there mouth wide open, same for Ronan.

Acting was so bad...i can;t believe this was shown on TV, Ronan is a poor actor and the role he plays is even poorer.



But well, i watched season 1 and 2 of Battlestar Galactica this week, so maybe i'm just used to some higher level of entertainment.

Posted by: anja Aug 10th 2006, 11:23 AM

I think I loved everything about it except the cage. Could there be bigger holes?
There should be more episodes where we are following Stargate personel having to fight without big weapons and options. Maybe some kind of an ?amnesia? episode where they wake up on planet all alone whit no memory and some horrific enemy stalking in the dark.

Posted by: dr lee Aug 10th 2006, 11:25 AM

What episode where you watching? I thought that this was the best one of season three so far.

Posted by: JTMAG1 Aug 10th 2006, 12:58 PM

The wrait are easy targets. They don't even have shield tech. Its just a power in numbers thing that makes them such a devastating enemy. Yes the could have easily climbed out of the cell, thats why there were guards posted. Unlike other times when the cells are unguarded, and they manage to escape. Perhaps a less secure cell that is guarded if more effective than an unguarded more secure one.

Posted by: IndyJan Aug 10th 2006, 4:54 PM

Revan, I agree about this. I truly believe that the message they sent was that Ronon could not be fed upon. But like Osy said, the writers have a tendency to forget what they wrote before. It tends to happen more often when they use different writers that have no idea what went before. I have always felt that if they are going to write, they better know the backstory of this person, race or weapon.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 11th 2006, 1:58 AM

Dr Lee I think it was to contain them not imprison them. If that makes any sense!

It contained them in a central area where they could not simply just all take off in different directions quickly but would have to scale or climb out to get out. They were surrounded by men with blow guns so really they could get no where no matter how big the holes were.

Posted by: dr lee Aug 11th 2006, 2:20 AM

Em i was responding to Sibylle's post and Anja snuck in just before i posted it

there is another reason why the cage had bigger holes....

So that they could film into the cage and not have to orry about too many struts getting inthe way:P~

Posted by: Sibylle Aug 11th 2006, 10:50 AM

i Agree, otherwise they could've better put them in a closed box, but that's so difficult to film. The cage seems to me as something used for large animal examinations etc. so makes sense there are big holes.


I don't agree with your part about the ep. beiing any good. I think it wasn't good, but maybe that's due to the fact that I don't like Ronan. Too much shoot before think.

Posted by: JTMAG1 Aug 11th 2006, 11:51 AM

I don't think Ronan shots before he thinks. He just thinks shot first. I couldn't imagine that if you were being hunted by a bunch of people that were trying to kill you for sport, you'd have to get used to doing that. Obviously he doesn think, or else he woudl have kill Sheppards team in Runner.

Posted by: Revan Aug 11th 2006, 12:19 PM

What?

Were you making fun of Sibylle? I am having difficulty deciphering your post.

Posted by: Sibylle Aug 11th 2006, 12:26 PM

As have I....

It is a fact that Ronan is just musscle and gun, no intelligence compared to Sheppard McKay or Teyla.
I don't like the fact that Ronan solves all his problems with getting angry, hitting some people or shooting some people.
I must admit he can look quite angry though.....I mean a whole episode long

Posted by: Revan Aug 11th 2006, 12:33 PM

Ronon is not just muscle and gun, as we were shown in this episode! There is a depth of character behind the anger of so many years of being hunter by the Wraith. There is a cause behind it. Nobody is intelligent when compared to McKay... well except Carter. Sheppard is the commanding officer, Teyla's character had been sinking into uselessness... though she slightly redeemed herself.

Ronon was put in a constant bad mood because of 7 years of being on the run. I don't think I'd be in such a good mood either...

Posted by: JTMAG1 Aug 11th 2006, 1:20 PM

I wasn't trying to make fun of sibylle, I just used poor spelling. What I meant was that Ronan doesn't shoot before he thinks, he just thinks that shooting first is the safest thing to do given the way that he was hunted by the Wraith.



Thats what I was getting at.

Posted by: IndyJan Aug 11th 2006, 1:43 PM

The larger holes were also needed so that Ronon could grab the guy, get his knife and hold it to his throat.






Revan you beat me to the response. Ronon is mad, angry and has a depth of hurt that after watching this episode, you know why. I don't think I would be too friendly after going through what he did. He lost his life, his military team, his home and his significant other. Good grief, he didn't take to Shep and Teyla right away. It took him awhile to trust them. That is understandable.

As far as having depth past all that anger, yes he did. He was being very selfless in this episode. He thought he was going to help that planet that he brought the Wraith to. He thought he was saving Teyla and Shep. He welcomed and appreciated Beckett's help in the end. He actually said thank you to them all. So yeah, Ronon has more than anger depth. Of course, finding out that the Wraith didn't stick to their deal, made him angry enough to go after them.

Posted by: Sibylle Aug 11th 2006, 2:18 PM

I don't think Ronan's character should've been written like this. There may be reasons or excuses for his behavior but it remains anoying. Though i must say Ronan has a role in the stories and he's done some nice things, maybe if the writers give him a chance to act....

Teyla is idd a bit useless But they need a woman and it come in handy she had wraith abilities. I would prefer some more character balance in Stargate.

Posted by: Osy Aug 11th 2006, 2:47 PM

Teyla isn't useless. She is the voice of wisdom. An extra conscience for the others, so to speak. She seems to have a very old soul to her and a calmness about her that helps balance out the testosterone driven actions of the other members of the team. She is by far useless. But I do think that her extreme lack of storyline so far this season kind of sucks. Hopefully that will change.

Posted by: Revan Aug 11th 2006, 3:06 PM

Yes, she is useful. TPTB simply aren't using her how they should. That is becoming annoying. She has serenity and an ability to center herself even with diversity looming around her.

Posted by: IndyJan Aug 11th 2006, 6:58 PM

Yes, but she is still very boring, and needs something. At least in this episode she did more and I could watch her without having to FF her scenes.

Posted by: Aquila Aug 11th 2006, 10:26 PM

Great intuition into Ronon's past life, as well as further character development. Not to mention some of the best battle sequences on either Stargate series.

I got my thumbs up on this episode!

Posted by: Shifter Aug 12th 2006, 12:26 AM

Loved some of the music in the fight scenes. Reminded me of the music when Jack O Neil and Maybourne were stuck on that planet and were fighting each other.

Brilliant

Loved the episode story too

Posted by: Christy Aug 13th 2006, 4:23 PM

I think the storyline was great and it developed Ronan quite a lot and so we got to see a whole new side of him and understand him a lot more.
It was quite interesting to go to his planet and see the destruction which the Wraith caused.

And the planet which called the Wraith...and the way the Wraith went back on their agreement which we all knew was going to happen. I'm amazed they didnt cull the planet though. I thought Hives had Queens though so it was weird for me to see that Wraith dude. And he looked so much different to the other Wraith.

All in all at the start i thought it was going to be a really boring episode so i just watched it...and kept watching it and thought hey...this is quite interesting. And the fight scenes were well done oh though I am getting tired of seeing the same moves repeated over and over.

Posted by: Pitry Aug 14th 2006, 5:05 AM

Sorry. After all the hyping - and considering this was written by RCC - I wasn't overly impressed.

Yeah, it was a good episode. Quite good, even excellent in Atlantis standards. RCC should write more Atlantis episodes, merely for the fact he seems to be the only writer interested in the characters of Ronon and Teyla. The damage being done to these characters is horrible, but a few more episodes like that maybe some other writers would start finding points of interest in them, as well.
Hopefully.

But I like RCC's quiet, human episodes more than I do the ones withg the big explosion. And so many of the things were forces in Sateda...
Okay, Hunter-Wraith. Y'know, I wish they'd stop throwing things out of thin air. Please?
The more I saee of the Wraith, the more I';m full of joy the main alien race of Atlantis is the Ancients - after 10 years of SG1 and the need to considerate their plot-lines too, the ways to screw up and pull - not bunnies as much as a pack of lions - out of the hat are much more rare. All these laser-eyed Wraiths, and weird looking Wraiths, and all that... I mean, whatever for, other than getting a "cool look"? The more frustrating thing is, I know no one is going to follow up on that. There's no chance of getting a glimpse into Wraith society, maybe discover this is a different cast, etc. Nothing. Use them to make the episode look cool and then discard them away.

Character dewvelopment for Ronon? I suppose. So we know a bit more of his future, so we've - finally, might I add - seen him at a tim when he's not just growling and beating people up but dealing with people he cares about, and yet... I don't feel thge character has really deveopled. For me, character development is pushing the boundaries of the character, throwing it out of its comfort zone and into someplace new where it has to deal with things its never encountered before - and learn of the character as it learns of itself, from that new experience. There was nothing new for Roinon in here - so he was a runner again, so he still hates the Wraith, so he wants revenge.
I knew all of that already.

Some of hte scenes between the rest of hte characters also felt forced. It felt like, "oh, we need a nice character-bonding moment here" - funny, I never get that feeling on SG1. I've no idea why I do on SGA - but as amusing as the Teyla-Sheppard scene was - "Yes I have friends!" bwaha - it felt way too forced. The "pain in the ass" scene with Rodney was better - so were Rodney's scenes with Beckett - man, I missed these two together! - but other than that... eh.

Posted by: cosmos Sep 13th 2006, 3:41 PM

Finally some development and back story to the Ronon character. Almost a year with us and and we barely knew he was there.

The makings of this episode were very close to the 'Equilibrium' style but since I have no problem for the creators to 'borrow' from other material out there and converting them into Stargate, I found the episode exciting and thoroughly enjoyable.

I liked the scene with Shep talking about family too. This subject is his Achilles' wound. I have caught on that early on and just glad that it was now confirmed like that. It has been subtly introduced since the pilot when everybody was saying goodbuy to their families and he was sitting alone tossing a coin to make a decision. And in "Letters from Pegasus" the way he felt uneasy about the concept of sending home any messages. I hope at some point they mention a back story about him too.

The night vision of the Wraith, very Riddick like. I liked that a lot. But when I saw it I derived that all Wraith have vision like that and not that it was an experiment for that particular Wraith as it has been discussed in this forum. It is not always that we have the opportunity to see through Wraith's eyes and that's why we weren't aware of that. I assumed that he was wearing glasses because of the twilight in the planet at that time.

Insights into the Wraith are a treat and this episode introduced not only the vision but also a hint into Wraith hierarchy with the Wraith Hive ship having for luck of a better word a 'King'.

Some humour in there too from MacKay and Beckett, overall a great episode 5/5!

Posted by: Dafmeister Nov 8th 2006, 5:11 PM

After the pile of crap that was 'Irresistable', this was pretty good. It's about time that Ronon had a bit of development.
McKay was good, "Oh my God, it's my ass isn't it".
The Wraith King was a good addition although I think he should have lived, he could have been a good recurring enemy for the show or an antagonist for Ronon.
Why has Sheppard got a leather uniform?

Posted by: JC1 Nov 8th 2006, 6:08 PM

I was suprised at how much I enjoyed this epsiode, maybe because the last one was so bad. I never disliked Ronan, but I never thought there was much to his character. But he got some development in this episode and there were some great action scenes.

It wasn't just Ronans character that got development. Shepard revealed how his team are the closest thing he has to family and how far he will go save them. Even Mckay and Beckett showed how much they care.

Because it looks cooler? Landry sometimes wears a leather jacket too.

Posted by: JTMAG1 Nov 9th 2006, 2:28 AM

Inconsequential info about the leather jacket

Posted by: Dafmeister Nov 9th 2006, 4:31 AM

Not really. Having a leather uniform is a cliche in sci-fi.

Posted by: JTMAG1 Nov 9th 2006, 10:52 AM

I would normally agree with that. The thing about Atlantis is that they are always in uniform. Since they never get to dress in their own clothes, I like the idea of having uniform variations.

Posted by: Dafmeister Nov 9th 2006, 11:18 AM

They're always in uniform because they are always on duty when we see them. We've seen Beckett, McKay and Teyla out of uniform and I'm sure that Wier and Sheppard have been seen in "normal" clothing.

Posted by: JC1 Nov 9th 2006, 12:30 PM

Yeah, I agree. In fact, it makes sense to have uniform variations. We've seen, when SG teams go offworld they wear bdu's to suit the enviroment, desert camo, forest camo etc. And when they're on the base they wear the standard SGC green or blue uniform.

Atlantis just seem to wear the standard Atlantis unifroms off world or on the base.

Posted by: thefirstone Nov 9th 2006, 2:32 PM

I loved this to bits. I understnad Ronan a lot better and the general wraith looked kick ass.

Posted by: JTMAG1 Nov 9th 2006, 4:55 PM

Well, I don't count Teyla (or Ronin), but I can't remember the other out of uniform. I will have to go back and look for instances.

Posted by: glom Jan 17th 2007, 3:14 PM

73% Mega hammy. But sometimes, if you have a good and suitable story, hamminess can work.

LAUGH LINE OF THE WEEK: "That did not just happen!" Epic!

BAD PROPAGANDA OF THE WEEK: This guys with the bows and blow pipes whoop the guys with the P90s. The lefty media will love it!

THOUSAND SHIP LAUNCHING FACE OF THE WEEK: Ronan's haemorroid look in the cage was legendary.

OVERACTING OF THE WEEK: Everyone seemed a little bit hypersensitive in this episode. Ronan was practically crying when he was pleading with the villagers to let the rest of the team go. Shepherd and Weir seemed slightly oversensitive to Caldwell's concern over a rescue mission, taking his concerns as an affront to their principles more than the legitimate concern it was.

BEAST OF THE WEEK: That Wraith in charge of hunting Ronan looked like the one out of Jeepers Creepers.

INEVITABILITY OF THE WEEK: The Wraith on the hunt, with the specs, trench coat and boots, looked like one of the guys out of the Matrix. Fitting, because Ronan acted quite Matrix-esque himself, except he was a hardcore killing machine rather than a sissy acrobat.

NEW NEWTONIAN MECHANICS OF THE WEEK: The Wraith beast is big and badass, but he'd not that heavy. He couldn't throw a guy as big as Ronan across the street without throwing himself off his feet in the process. It's called Newton's Third Law: the conservation of momentum.

Posted by: Parmenides Jan 23rd 2007, 1:48 PM

...hard post to follow.

Hmm. I dislike Ronan less after that episode. Still not the biggest fan though. It has to be said though, all those sepia flashbacks were a bit...intense, and they just sort of seemed to be shoved in to make it more of a character episode. He seemed a little too powerful, too, given just how strong the Wraith are supposed to be.

A bit of a nitpick: that energy bolt from the hive ship at the end was damn accurate, given the distance the ship was firing from, and from what we've seen of their accuracy in the past. If they hadn't have moved, they would've been hit.

(and seriously, they say Sah-tee-dah!? )

Posted by: cdpage Mar 19th 2007, 9:48 PM

OK, i loved the premise of this EP. even loved the cloaks!

the flash back were a good idea, but i have to agree, a little, i dunno something. forced isn' the word... maybe just too much?

the acting, well it was sub par in some areas for these actors.


Nothing gained nothing lost.

Posted by: bostjan91 Aug 16th 2007, 2:24 PM

You should not use our Fisic laws, cause they are not perfect. And we saw once that Wriths can posess telepatic abylities - maybe that helped him to throw Ronan.

Posted by: Dafmeister Aug 16th 2007, 4:02 PM

Telepathic abilities are different to telekinetic abilities and the Wraith have never shown any telekinesis.

Posted by: bostjan91 Aug 17th 2007, 2:24 AM

What about in that episode when they found a wraith ship on the bottom of the ocean? In their pudle jumper the wraith queen was forcing Sheppard on his knees without touching him!

Posted by: KillerMarv Aug 17th 2007, 2:27 AM

Bostjan, your post is a spoiler from an episode happening later on in this season. People who haven't yet seen the entire season, but who have seen this episode, may read your post. You should have placed spoiler tags.

Posted by: bostjan91 Aug 17th 2007, 2:36 AM

oooh.... then sorry about that, i don't know the correct sequence of the episodes.

Posted by: Dafmeister Aug 17th 2007, 4:17 AM

The episodes air in the order that appear on this site. All threads in the episode discussion forums are in the correct order.