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Posted by: Arcady Jun 15th 2003, 9:28 AM

Season 7, Episode 3 - Fragile Balance
Original Air Date: June 20, 2003

A young teenage boy arrives at the SGC and tries to enter using Colonel O'Neill's pass card. He insists that he really is Jack, and that he just woke up small that morning. Grown-up Jack can't be found anywhere.

Posted by: Drizzt Do'Urden Jun 21st 2003, 7:12 AM

Ok, so i guess everyone's now happy that they had Loki. And that he was indeed mischevious. I was, at least, and i know there were whole topics revolving around him, so what do you guys think?

Posted by: Ben64 Jun 21st 2003, 7:19 AM

aargh, i wanna see it!

Posted by: Agent Jun 21st 2003, 9:13 AM

O'Neill is advanced, but not advanced enough.. hmmm.... i wonder who can be advanced enough for the Asgard... hmmm.... could it be... no... or can it? is it not obviuios? Can you say "Jonas Quinn"?

Posted by: jimmyk421 Jun 21st 2003, 9:32 AM

hmmm.... how to catch an asgard wait till he beams you up then zat him gotta love loki hope we see more of him also hope we see mini jack more damm wish i could be a teenager again with all my current knowledge

oh off subject i just got a dvd player finally and ive been going into local pawn shop and places that sell used dvd to keep a look out for the sg1 box sets

Posted by: Cymro Jun 21st 2003, 9:51 AM

Stiill waiting for a rip of last night's ep to appear online...

Posted by: Mike Jun 21st 2003, 9:51 AM

The more you watch SG-1, the more you appreciate the chemistry and sutile humor among the cast. You see a little crack to the wormhole extreme episode, the humor that only true SG-1 fans and followers could understand and appreciate. Good stuff.

Posted by: mithwriter Jun 21st 2003, 12:33 PM

I just watched it a second time this morning on my vcr and enjoyed it even more than the first time. They took advantage of the "youth" issue and explored several different angles with it, which were all interesting and lighthearted at the same time.

1. When clone O'Neill is "denied" beer on the base, one of the first things he does upon escaping is visit a liquor store and has to try to get someone else to buy it for him.

2. Got to spend some quality time on a Playstation console.

3. I liked the pilot briefing as an example of gained knowledge over the appearance of youth, but now I'm wondering what the hell the clone is going to do in High School. I mean, this kid has all the knowledge of a 50 year old adult Air Force Colonel. He's going to be bored out of his mind, isn't he? I did think the little send-off O'Neill gave his clone was well done. "Yes, go forth young man..."

4. The fact that the younger clone was facing the possibility of dying sooner than the older original was a nice little story hook.

Some other notes...

Chris Judge's facial expressions in reaction to some of the clone's antics were absolutely priceless, especially when he first meets the clone, and later in the commissary.

I thought the actor who played cloned Jack did a good job. It's one thing to do the line readings accurately, it's another to get physical mannerisms down, and it was obvious this kid did his homework....and he was sooooo cute too!

Posted by: Bowley Jun 21st 2003, 12:39 PM

I thought that kid did a really good job of acting like Oneill, I was laughin it up when they got em together finally. He got all the quirks down pat I was impressed. Anyone else see that? I missed half the ep because I had to work but I liked this one better than the starwars ones...

aah I should read the other posts before I write these things, Mithwriter obviously agrees... anyone else?

Posted by: Souske Sagara Jun 21st 2003, 12:43 PM

I really appreciated this episode. Loki exemplified what I thought the Asgards were in the first place. Up to this point I really found a conflicting characteristic with the Asgard. They were a race advanced enough to be arrogant about their abilities, yet when it comes down to war, or major conflict, they really are reserved sometimes.

Posted by: RebelGoua'uld Jun 21st 2003, 12:59 PM

I really enjoyed this episode, the kid acted [I]so much like o'neill it was almost creepy, and o'neill's reaction to the whole team being in his bedroom was priceless, but i found one flaw.........did anyone notice that daniel had almost [I]all his memory back? i thought that was ever-so-slightly odd.

Posted by: Bowley Jun 21st 2003, 1:05 PM

QUOTE (RebelGoua'uld @ Jun 21 2003, 12:59 PM)

but i found one flaw.........did anyone notice that daniel had almost [I]all his memory back? i thought that was ever-so-slightly odd.

Yea I think the whole memory thing was just a quick way to get Daniel back in and make it semi-believable. If you watch the second episode it seems as if he has all of it back already, that fast. They got Daniel back into the fold and I don't think they will go back to the memory thing unless they are hurting for plot ideas. Kind of cheap but ah well. I nitpick but somethings you gotta let slide eh Rebel?

Posted by: Tan Jun 21st 2003, 1:06 PM

I smell a spin-off!

"New Jack has to show the local bully the meaning of Christmas, but then it turns out that he's a Goa'uld that the System Lords have planted to steal Jack's new girlfriend and therefore must die a stabbity, stabbity death. Hilarity ensues."



...

Anyway, I kinda liked the episode. The kid was alright, I may have been a little disappointed in the performance if it was a major motion picture or something though. It was generally good times. This was the first season 7 episode I've seen, I like having Daniel back.

I dunno, if his brain's actually young (like his body isn't just young-looking or something) it'll readily accept new information like any other kid's. I think he said he didn't really pay attention in high school the first time around or something like that. Maybe that'll play into the "advanced" thing or something? Jack, but as smart as Sam or whoever? I dunno, regardless, I think the kid should show up later somewhere and out-smart Real Jack or something. It'd be good times.

I'm a bit more disturbed that he's so readily attracted to high school girls...

Posted by: Bowley Jun 21st 2003, 1:16 PM

QUOTE (Tan @ Jun 21 2003, 01:06 PM)

I smell a spin-off! "New Jack has to show the local bully the meaning of Christmas, but then it turns out that he's a Goa'uld that the System Lords have planted to steal Jack's new girlfriend and therefore must die a stabbity, stabbity death. Hilarity ensues."

Hah, I don't think I feel like watching an episode of Stargate SG-90210 thank you very much

Maybe, Maybe if Jonas Quinn shows up as Parker lewis rules, maybe I'll watch it, I dunno...wait wait...no that is a bad Idea

Posted by: Alexh2345 Jun 21st 2003, 2:47 PM

Hella funny how O'Neil wanted beer.

Posted by: jimmyk421 Jun 21st 2003, 3:39 PM

hmmm... maybe little jack will be set up to be in spinoff series and i pity the first bully that tries to f*ck with lil jack

Posted by: eris II Jun 21st 2003, 4:07 PM

help me please, i live in England and can not wait till season 7 is aired on sky one,

can anybody give me a site to see the episodes as KaZaA cant seem to find any

thankyou

Posted by: xenix Jun 21st 2003, 4:08 PM

nice episode ...probably one of the best .....but (as someone we all know would say)

"for crying out loud" there is no possiblity that young jack would go back to high-school ..would you?

Posted by: Rikaelus Jun 21st 2003, 4:26 PM

I liked the episode# good and solid. My only fear is that they won't close up the storyline at all. Namely little Jack missing the SGC and, namely, Carter. I mean... little Jack has all the same feelings as Jack Sr. ( ), and we've seen how Jack has reacted in the past to being forced away from the SGC. I think he accepted leaving the SGC a little too much in the episode as it was.

The biggest question is, however, does he still hold the rank of General? If not, that's pretty damn unfair. He did mention the Air Force was providing for him, so they haven't just put him out to pasture.

Posted by: Firefly Jun 21st 2003, 4:30 PM

Hell no.

I liked how Carter took the beer away from the kid, even though they were all convinced that he was really O'Neill.

That kid did sound just like O'Neill. It was funny.

Posted by: Tan Jun 21st 2003, 4:49 PM

I disagree with the sentiment that the kid left too easily. He knows without question that he's a clone, days-old and whatnot. I wouldn't want to be around either my original or many of the people my original knows if I were a clone, it would remind me constantly that I'm not really me. At least for a while anyway, long enough to get my identity down. I'd think that for a while you'd feel like meat stuffed with memories of a person you think is you, but isn't. It'd be really hard to deal with, unless you did something completely different. I'd think it'd be easier to go than to stay. But maybe I'm just reading too far into it.

QUOTE (Bowley @ Jun 21 2003, 01:16 PM)

QUOTE (Tan @ Jun 21 2003, 01:06 PM) I smell a spin-off! "New Jack has to show the local bully the meaning of Christmas, but then it turns out that he's a Goa'uld that the System Lords have planted to steal Jack's new girlfriend and therefore must die a stabbity, stabbity death. Hilarity ensues." Hah, I don't think I feel like watching an episode of Stargate SG-90210 thank you very much

Hey, good call on the name. I think someone should pitch this to... er... somebody.

Posted by: Ben64 Jun 21st 2003, 7:16 PM

I finally got it off the net, no thanks to stargates.tk *I'm kidding, they are great* But for all you waiting, all i leave with you is ircspy.com, it solves all... or at least downloading sg1

Posted by: Rikaelus Jun 21st 2003, 7:34 PM

QUOTE (Tan @ Jun 21 2003, 04:49 PM)

I disagree with the sentiment that the kid left too easily. He knows without question that he's a clone, days-old and whatnot. I wouldn't want to be around either my original or many of the people my original knows if I were a clone, it would remind me constantly that I'm not really me. At least for a while anyway, long enough to get my identity down. I'd think that for a while you'd feel like meat stuffed with memories of a person you think is you, but isn't. It'd be really hard to deal with, unless you did something completely different. I'd think it'd be easier to go than to stay. But maybe I'm just reading too far into it.

Posted by: dorien Jun 21st 2003, 7:56 PM

One of the things I enjoy about the show is it's ability to laugh at itself. I loved the scene where Clone Jack says "Just because it doesn't say Colonel on my uniform..." It's been a joke since the first season episode First Commandment and was beautifully parodied in Wormhole Xtreme. Jack's uniform rarely says Colonel . A classic Stargate moment.

And only in the Stargate World would a successful clone of a human be turned loose. A sense of realism without harsh reality intruding is another thing I like about the show.

Posted by: G Odin Jun 21st 2003, 10:19 PM

I have mixed feelings about this episode. I liked the premise, but the fact is that Duplicate O'Neill just seems like a throwaway character. Although the whole cloning concept is cliche, I think it worked well because they had set precedent in season 5. I would appreciate the episode better if they writers bring young O'Neill back for at least one more episode. I mean he might be just like O'Neill but he is still a huge security risk for the USAF.

Was it just me or did Cloney O'Neill seem more irritable than the real one. I wonder if the writers deliberately wrote the character that way to account for teenage hormones.

Posted by: Razz Jun 21st 2003, 10:30 PM

I liked the clone O'Neill. I do hope they bring him back as the "nephew". I thought was pretty good. He didn't want to age himself by saying that he was O'Neill's son. I thought that the clone did a good job mimicking Jack's personna from body language to speaking. It was good.

I thought it was pretty funny at the debriefing when Carter was talking to the pilots and they wanted O'Neill. O'Neill was funny when he came to join in. He got their attention...despite Hammond's direct order.



Razz

Posted by: Uneducated!! Jun 21st 2003, 10:55 PM

So when Col O'Niell retires, will Col O'Niell take over?

I mean, clone or not he would be the most qualified, even missing the next few years he'd have all the knowledge of the project from the beginning to his cloning and be familiar to offworld contacts. By the time Jack retires Young Jack would be a perfect age for the job.

Oh, and can anyone imagine Young Jack entering the Air Force again and wowing all his trainers with his flying skill?

Posted by: Mike Jun 21st 2003, 11:09 PM

Posted by: Tan Jun 21st 2003, 11:28 PM

No, he's not O'Neill, he just thinks he is.

O'Neill was born on such-and-such a day to whoever, didn't pay attention in high school or whatever, went to whatever Air Force Academy and did all that stuff, went on all sorts of missions to other planets and whatnot. This guy was grown in an alien laboratory a few days ago. None of that stuff ever happened to him and he knows it. Every time he sees someone or something he thinks he knows, he has to realize that his brain is lying to him.

I think the robot thing is a little different for a few reasons. First... they're robots, they might be programmed to do certain things. They're also a team of adults who were friends beforehand and are still together and apart from their originals. They live on a completely alien world and can't ever really go home for more than a day, they're completely away from everything they've ever known, gate travel is as close to familiarity as they can really get. For young O'Neill to do things he's used to, like being at the SGC or in the Air Force in general, living at his house, talking to the people he remembers, he'd have to force people to accept him, and he'd have to deal with his original all the time. It would be sort of grating.

I'd be really pissed at myself in the first and third person all the time if I were around me. It would be inescapable.

But again, maybe I'm just reading too far into it.

Posted by: Uneducated!! Jun 22nd 2003, 8:08 AM

Yea he's probably not a throwaway character, but I don't think you'd see him again until Season Eight, if there is one.

Writers like to leave doors like these open to themselves. How many episodes was Cassandra in (although little screentime in each I admit)? R'yak? Even Robot O'neill had 2 episodes. Clone O'neill will get a second episode if the show continues long enough. It'd be pretty easy, Col O'neill is disabled but we need someone with his expertise, Oh no! who do we call?

Posted by: Aesir Jun 22nd 2003, 8:13 AM

Yes, I agree - he'll probably get another appearance in season eight if it happens, maybe even another this season, although I think it should be a relatively minor role in the episode if he was to appear again this season.

Posted by: Jon The UK SG-1 Fan Jun 22nd 2003, 8:53 AM

Oh my god i can't wait to see this ep!!!! I'm downloading it right now yay.

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chris

Posted by: Raxor Jun 22nd 2003, 3:07 PM

cheers chris;)
gotta get a fast connection soon

Posted by: G Odin Jun 22nd 2003, 3:09 PM

Posted by: Tan Jun 22nd 2003, 3:57 PM

Okay, I see what' you're saying now.

I dunno though, even without season 8 it might play into something else with the other series or whatever, or at least they want that base covered for whatever reason. There seems to be something special about Jack at this point and this whole young clone thing seems to me like it could be a very convenient plot device. But of course I'm speculating, and there's a reason I don't write shows.

Posted by: StargateSG-1_Fan Jun 23rd 2003, 12:57 AM

i reslly enjoyed Fragile Balance, Loki is a very cool Asgard, hope to see him again sometime, thought the person that played young jack did a great job acting, good to see Jacob again as well, wasn't expecting to see him in Fragile Balance-also im glad we finally got to see this episode they were holding it back, wasn't orginally meant to be showne in Season 4?, anyway looks like Season 7 is going to be a great Season, 3great episodes ina row so far, nexted week one look good as well.

Posted by: Linz Jun 23rd 2003, 3:07 AM

oh wow, just finished watching it (was gone on vacation for the weekend) and i could not stop laughing when he kept trying to drink beer. poor kid... heh. and the actor who played mini-jack was PERFECT.

the high school thing... i'm sure he wouldn't have a problem, did you see those grrls?

and the air force set him up? to be a clone, thats a SWEET deal

loki was intresting... who did the voice?

and what was that song playing at the end? never heard um... "pop" music before in an ep.....

Posted by: Logic Jun 23rd 2003, 6:50 AM

Yeah that song seemed out of place.. it just didn't seem like the kind of thing Jack would listen to for pleasure, and Jack was the only person... people... in the car.

Very good episode though, and I agree, mini-jack was acted extremely well

Posted by: OdinisThor'sDad Jun 23rd 2003, 9:21 AM

Just downloaded and watched today. All I got to say is for once I was right. When the description of this ep came out a few months ago I said "It's an Asgard named Loki"

Loki kicks ass. Too bad Thor is going to punish him

Posted by: Jmaster33 Jun 23rd 2003, 11:48 AM

[QUOTE]Col O'neill is disabled but we need someone with his expertise, Oh no! who do we call?[[QUOTE]

GHOSTBUSTERS!!

Posted by: Mike Jun 23rd 2003, 12:18 PM

I'm curious to know what the tune is as well. It kinda threw me for a loop as we have never heard any type of music on the show aside from the "mood music" that is added to certain scenes for enhancement. I thought I was watching an episode of Smallville or Roswell for a moment there.

I honestly thought before the commerical break after the school scene we would hear. . . "Music for tonight's episode of Stargate SG-1 was provided by blah blah blah. . . .". "You can purhcase this CD at the Stargate SG-1 superstore, log on to MGM.com."

Posted by: ArisBoch Jun 23rd 2003, 12:42 PM

no, we hear music at the ends of some of the eps, just not all that often. and not quite like that. i thought the ep was a little weird, but i'm glad we finally met somebody out there named loki (i've only been waiting for it forever, as my friends can tell you) i didn't like jack's "mini me", but i have to admit he did a really good job at acting like him.

Posted by: SrAPennington Jun 23rd 2003, 3:03 PM

ya know... a few thigns stuck in my mind... 1...
can you say security breach.... i mean yea hes a little jack running around.. and as such has all of jacks traits... ie not spilling secrets.. but at the same time... you think the SGC would have been a tad bit more tight about letting him go out to high school... i thought they were goign to let him go with the asgaurd so they could have their own jack... since they like him so much....

secondly... how well is mini-jack going to fit in with high school... sure hes young... but he has jacks mind and such... hes going to give his teachers the same crap if not more that jack gives the tokra... "I dont care if you know more... i dont like you"

thirdly... we know from the episode where sg1 is made into mechanical copies... they couldnt stop being who they were... will little jack be able to stop being who he is... IE a Colonel in the USAF?

While I htink for a little while he woudl be ok with it... i dont think he will be able to stop for ever...

I did like how little jack went fishing... haha just a little hint of hte older one there... alwyas going fishing.

well those are my ideas

SrA Pennington

Posted by: sKy Jun 23rd 2003, 3:13 PM

I`m just watching this ep...looks good, much better than fallen and homecoming. I think the way mini Jack acts towards Sam seems a bit different than usual..when he says "that`s sir to you" and when Sam says "sir please" about freezing him, it doesn`t seem to have as much effect as it had other times.
Oh yeah, and Daniel seemed TOO normal..like nothing had happened to him since season 5.
btw..was Loki ever mentioned before in another ep?? Thor looked a bit weird...out of his nice and probably comfy chair.

I`d love to be in that kid`s place..play the clone of Jack..but anyway for that i would have to be a boy and good at acting:) What was the part about being a bit weird in high school all about? I really didn`t get it.

Posted by: Linz Jun 23rd 2003, 5:34 PM

QUOTE (Mike @ Jun 23 2003, 12:18 PM)

I'm curious to know what the tune is as well. It kinda threw me for a loop as we have never heard any type of music on the show aside from the "mood music" that is added to certain scenes for enhancement. I thought I was watching an episode of Smallville or Roswell for a moment there. I honestly thought before the commerical break after the school scene we would hear. . . "Music for tonight's episode of Stargate SG-1 was provided by blah blah blah. . . .". "You can purhcase this CD at the Stargate SG-1 superstore, log on to MGM.com."

Posted by: Firefly Jun 23rd 2003, 9:41 PM

Okay, after they realized he was a clone, why the heck did Sam keep calling him sir? I'd be like "To hell with this...I'm calling you Jack! Ha ha!"

Posted by: Bonzai Jun 23rd 2003, 10:50 PM

it not that good eps

Posted by: NoKreeForMe Jun 24th 2003, 11:36 AM

In the beginning, when the young O'neill was trying to explain himself, I was just waiting for him to 'For crying out loud'!

Posted by: UltimateW Jun 24th 2003, 12:01 PM

hehe who would ever have thought of O'Neill as advanced

Jonas could be the answer....

Ohhh I forgot all about Loki I like that they did take him along, I wonder what Odin is like and now where are the Giants from the the Old Norse Mythology

Uhh and the Kid was great as the young O'Neill no doubt it was him

Posted by: SG1nut Jun 24th 2003, 12:12 PM

Yeah, that's what it was! Umm, I downloaded it.

Umm... Wicked episode. I like little Jack SO MUCH! He's such a tyrannical, teenager especially with the Colonel's pissed off attitude!
I loved the script. It was class.
Full of quotes that I won't forget in a hurry;
"General no offence, but you're not the one who went to bed watching CNN and woke up as part of the MTV generation..."
and of course BIG Jack's first words to Loki- hilarious...

Jonas is "the one"- though you guys probably knew that already.
"But I thought I was advanced?" *Ego-dented O'Neill*

Posted by: Kepler Jun 24th 2003, 3:26 PM

What's the song at the end of the episode ?? (a women sing ) .... when jack bring the kid to school

thanks a lot

or you can answer me at : kepler@chek.com

Posted by: SG1nut Jun 24th 2003, 3:58 PM

It's Lily Frost- "Who am I" from the Crazy Beautiful soundtrack.

You can get it from Kazaa lite for sure- its where I got it from!

Posted by: DodgyDazza Jun 26th 2003, 6:33 AM

QUOTE (eris II @ Jun 21 2003, 04:07 PM)

help me please, i live in England and can not wait till season 7 is aired on sky one, can anybody give me a site to see the episodes as KaZaA cant seem to find any thankyou

Try; http://www.scifi-epz.com/ This is where i've been getting them from as the the ones i found on KAZZA are crap!

Posted by: mithwriter Jun 26th 2003, 9:53 AM

Just thought i'd put up some of my favorite quotes from the ep

Teal'c: Are not experiencing increased health and vitality?
Clone: My...vitality was just fine before this.


Teal'c: Are you conducting some sort of experiment, O'Neill?
Clone: Hey! There's nothing wrong with that, it's still good!

Clone: So much for intellectual superiority.
O'Neill: I was going to say that.

Posted by: scifi2003 Jun 27th 2003, 11:09 AM

I know this was a comedy episode and the people shoul'd be happy when they are finnished with the episode but i think it would be best if tor could not heal the boy and he realy dies. that is a good classic ending and it would not leave that much questiens open.
but now with him alive i realy think there is going to be a subculture of Fanfic writers to create a universe of O'Neils Creek or something like that. cold be fun.

Posted by: sg1JaffaJoo Jun 27th 2003, 11:44 AM

um...about the memory thing...i was wondering that too! I mean only 2 eps b4, he didn't have any memory at all and then suddenly...its all back and he's just like he never left...that just doesn't seem realistic to me...anyone else?

Posted by: OdinisThor'sDad Jul 1st 2003, 1:37 AM

I'll say it again.......Sci-fi and realistic.............what part of these two words (counting scifi as one) go together.

Spaceships...that's realistic
A bunch of Alien species that look almost the same as humans (obviously Darwin was wrong0....realistic?
A portal to other planets...........realistic
A parasitic alien that can completely take over another body....realistic?



Need I go on....I could do this for another hour if need be.

A guy ascends to a higher plane of existance and you don't blink, but he gets his memory back and you say it's unrealistic......hahahaha.


When in doubt think "God made it so" or in this case "Oma made it so"

They even explained this by saying "a loophole" discovered by Oma.

Posted by: smellycorpse Jul 1st 2003, 4:54 AM

hmmmmm.... This ep is canon fodder, it didn't really expand on the plot of the whole show. yes i figurd that human's are more advances then before example season 2 the fifth race. if O'Neill wasn't that advanced he'd be limpy toast in the brain.
SO I'D SAY that this ep was part of a writers block that should have aired in the 2nd or 3rd season. (it just doesn't fit in the seventh)

Posted by: Aesir Jul 1st 2003, 5:24 AM

Unless you know exactly how the memories & knowledge of the Ancients thing works (and we don't), you can't really speculate or say that it's unrealistic. How do you know it's not meant to all come flooding back at once in these cirumstances?

To a certain point many things in the show are unrealistic (as Odin said) when compared with our science and technology today. This is science fiction after all - it would be virtually impossible to have a science fiction show where everything is believable in terms of our current scientific advancement - that wouldn't be very fictional

Posted by: sg1JaffaJoo Jul 1st 2003, 11:27 AM

Ok so shoot me! and yes, i do believe in the whole "heaven/ascension" thing...Its not just the memory...it's like he never even left... that's what gets me...

Posted by: OdinisThor'sDad Jul 1st 2003, 11:55 AM

QUOTE (sg1JaffaJoo @ Jul 2 2003, 01:27 AM)

Ok so shoot me! and yes, i do believe in the whole "heaven/ascension" thing...Its not just the memory...it's like he never even left... that's what gets me...

Posted by: sg1JaffaJoo Jul 1st 2003, 6:58 PM

*keels over*

Posted by: OracleofDelphi Jul 3rd 2003, 8:34 AM

My question is that now that there are 2 O'Neills, does that mean they can take eachother fishing?

Posted by: SyStEm_LoRd Jul 3rd 2003, 9:58 AM

oneill oneill teal'c fishing

Oneill got nething, not yet oneill.... teal'c Indeed!!!

Posted by: smellycorpse Jul 3rd 2003, 11:22 AM

yah he finally has a partner in his fishing...
i didn't realize that

Posted by: Jutau Jul 23rd 2003, 1:19 AM

Michael Welch played a very convincing O'neil... he's a cool actor... would definitly like to see him come out on another episode cause it seems to awkward just to leave a char with such a connection to the original characters by making hima throwaway...

really seemed like it was O'neil cloned.

Posted by: ramuund Jul 23rd 2003, 2:35 PM

you never know thay won't have any scripts ready and loaded yet for season eight perhaps if we lobby we can get him back and see them actually go fishing!!!!!!!

Posted by: SSG Ret Jul 23rd 2003, 2:37 PM

Assuming they can actually manage to reach the water...

Posted by: ramuund Jul 23rd 2003, 3:40 PM

QUOTE (SSG Ret @ Jul 23 2003, 02:37 PM)

QUOTE (OracleofDelphi @ Jul 3 2003, 08:34 AM) My question is that now that there are 2 O'Neills, does that mean they can take eachother fishing? Assuming they can actually manage to reach the water...

what do you mean? if thay reach the water?

Posted by: OdinisThor'sDad Jul 23rd 2003, 11:44 PM

Meaning they both would probably drink too much beer and pass out in a ditch somewhere.

Posted by: SSG Ret Jul 24th 2003, 8:38 AM

Not quite, although that IS a possibility!

I meant that Jack does seem to have trouble when he's trying to go fish. The curse probably affects little Jack as well. So, getting them together at the same time, at the same lake might well be into the realm of the impossible.

Posted by: ramuund Jul 25th 2003, 3:31 PM

quite right sorry forgot about little jacks drinking problems-carter can't always be around to take away the things!!!!

also i was reading on gateworld that they wanted to bring back little jack late in the seventh series but thay were unable to do so, but they said if they did another series they would bring him back- so you never know perhaps were in for some double trouble after all- i wonder if he would have a girlfriend(considering it's olds jack mind cloned)- thats goin' on to other territorys!!

Posted by: bassj18 Jul 30th 2003, 6:41 PM

any know song at end of things becasue been look can't find what it is and I like to get it and i like it!!!

Posted by: OdinisThor'sDad Jul 31st 2003, 1:02 AM

It would be sweet if the gave mini-jack a spot on the Atlantus team.

Posted by: RookiesRevenge Jul 31st 2003, 2:03 AM

uh yeah, Linz said it on the previous page but just so you wont think me an ass......

[".........well after watching it again, i knew i'd heard that song before..... well turns out it is "Who Am I?" by Lily Frost and it was in the movie Crazy/Beautiful (which is why i've heard it, hehe)
if you listen to the lyrics it makes sense, dna, who exactly am i? but i was too expecting something at the end saying what the song was... nope, nothin' "]

And lemme explain something about the male psychology girls - we have this tendancy to think and act much younger than we really are. Since Clone Jack is a teen again, he's got the hormones ragin' and all that, so it makes sense to me he's accepted his age bracket.

Posted by: SSG Ret Jul 31st 2003, 5:03 AM

QUOTE (RookiesRevenge @ Jul 31 2003, 02:03 AM)

And lemme explain something about the male psychology girls - we have this tendancy to think and act much younger than we really are. Since Clone Jack is a teen again, he's got the hormones ragin' and all that, so it makes sense to me he's accepted his age bracket.

I think a few of us have noticed that.....

Posted by: bassj18 Jul 31st 2003, 6:44 AM

thx for that I like song !!!

Posted by: ramuund Aug 1st 2003, 4:14 PM

i woder what he would be like if he comes back and how would they bring him back? i mean the military wouldn't exactly recruit and teen age boy- no matter his breeding-what possible way of gettin him back- but the biggest question is how will they tie in the fishin'!

Posted by: DR Larry Murphy Sep 16th 2003, 2:49 PM

I realised something if jack had a relationship with a girl it would be illegal, he's got a legal mind and a week old body mmmmmmmm wierd

Posted by: Metel Setek Noximus Sep 17th 2003, 9:06 PM

I do not believe that we have seen the last of Mini Jack, he could eventually be a key member in StarGate:Atlantis. Why Not.......

Noximus

Posted by: ramuund Sep 19th 2003, 5:07 PM

i agree, they will most likely bring him back in the eigth season and show what the hell he is up too, i mean, where and who is he staying with......or more importantly.......does he get the same amount of pocket money as big colonel o'neill?

Posted by: WMCoolmon Sep 19th 2003, 9:08 PM

What if he met some an old teacher at HS?

Posted by: Spacen Sep 24th 2003, 2:40 PM

Posted by: SSG Ret Sep 24th 2003, 3:52 PM

Well, I can imagine some scenarios, given that you have a 15 year old who knows some of the most classified stuff on the planet. Suppose he is kidnapped, by someone who wants access to that information?

Posted by: I AM SCI-FI Sep 29th 2003, 11:43 PM

I thought Michael Welch did an excellent job of getting the quirks and mannerisms of Richard Dean Andersons' portrayal of Col. Jack O'Neill down pat.

One thing I thought odd, though, was that they didn't play on the father/son aspect that could have been involved. If you think about it, Jack's deceased son would have been around the age that the clone appeared to be. This could have stirred up emotions on how much Jack misses his son, and that the clone could have become a surrogate son. Having two sons of my own, I know he would never really take the place of Jacks' son, but it could have filled some of the void left in his soul created when his son died. Maybe they'll work around that in a future episode.

Posted by: Aesir Sep 30th 2003, 4:50 AM

Posted by: SSG Ret Sep 30th 2003, 6:34 AM

I don't think the father/son thing would have worked for another reason. The clone wasn't a child, he was an adult in a child's body. Also, he was one with the exact same memories as Jack. As Jack said, "That would be too weird." Both of them knew that.

Posted by: ramuund Oct 2nd 2003, 2:35 PM

o.k, seriously thinking about that now..........if you were little jack and you had the same memories and feelings as the big one, how would you survive ahving to be looked apon as a kid, by teachers, foster parents? We all know col o'neills mannerisms........by the way? why did they put him in high school anyway? to make him try and grow another life? what i mean is, he may look like a teanager but he is an adults mind-o.k so we are talking a the col. here

Posted by: SSG Ret Oct 2nd 2003, 2:49 PM

If I remember correctly, going back to high school was largely little Jack's idea. "Aren't there some things you wish you could just do over?" or something like that. Jack has been through hell in the last several years and by extension, so has little Jack. He might be looking at it as a rest and time to regroup. After all, he has at least a BA degree worth of education, he could skate on the stuff he already knows and concentrate on anything else at all that interests him. If he decides to joing the program again in a few years it would be like added another whole education onto his existing experience and education.

Posted by: Aesir Oct 2nd 2003, 4:23 PM

Posted by: SSG Ret Oct 3rd 2003, 6:29 AM

If he went through the Air Force Academy, maybe Military Science, which is about as scientific as Politial Sceince or a hard science subject. For example, the degree the Army Academy gave for years was Engineering.

Posted by: princessgater Oct 7th 2003, 5:50 AM

what gets me is we know that jack has feelings for Sam from past episodes so that would been that mini jack has those feelings as well.
I can't help but feel sorry for the little guy, he is having to give up his life and start again.

Posted by: Spacen Oct 7th 2003, 9:44 AM

Posted by: ramuund Oct 12th 2003, 4:21 PM

That must be wierd tough, you can start anew and start a whole new life for yourself, we are all talking about how to get him bach but what if he wants to become a professional fisherman!- he could. But i understood about what was said, about the feelings for people- it would be horrible, personally for me, to have memories and emotions that never will be the same- first of all you know that you are not 'real' in the clone sense and that, in the case of carter, you may look at the person the same way but they won't look at you the same way or the way you thought they should, after all little jack is 'real' in a sense to himself but for instance peopla at the sgc don't view him as the 'real' Jack o'niel!

Posted by: stargatesweetie Oct 13th 2003, 2:59 PM

Sorry if I repeat other posts, but OMG that boy had RDA's mannerisms down to a tee, infact it was down right spooky, especially towards the end when they were on Loki's ship and saying the same thing at the same time.
A good episode, though a cunning plan to write RDA out of the episode apart from the token appearance at the end.
As Thor said that they were still missing a clue to the secret of the genetic cloning...how about using Jonas? As Nirti said, Jonas was more evolved than the Taur'i?

Posted by: Jacks Girl Oct 13th 2003, 3:43 PM

sweets I agree with you - that kid had Jack down to a tee!! It actually cushioned the blow of the 'lack of Jack' as I like to refer to these kinds of episodes. He was brilliant. I couldn't help thinking MAN I wish there was a mini clone of RDA walking around...hey I can dream!! and how cute would it have been if there were a mini Sam too - they could forget the airforce rules and get together as high school sweethearts - awwww bless.

THUMP...back to reality.......Great episode though, def best one yet out of season 7 - roll on next Monday!!

Posted by: K'ai Oct 13th 2003, 4:04 PM

Why did the SGC allow the cloned Jack out into the big bad world with all the knowledge of the original Jack? You'd have thought that Thor would have erased it for security reasons.....
Also I agree with Stargatesweetie in that Jonas Quinn is supposedly more advanced than the average human - why don't the Asgard run tests on him????

Posted by: Emmyloo Oct 13th 2003, 4:07 PM

Lol, great ep

Although i didnt actually think that kid looked anything like RDA, he managed to get everything else down to a tee. I wonder if he managed this all by himself, or whether RDA gave him a few "lessons" in how to play Jack. They were so alike in their ways it was freeky!

I just have one question.
All the other abductees were cloned and then had their original bodies returned after 7 days. In each case, when the original was returned, they could remember what had happened to them, i.e, the little grey man, being on a spaceship, etc. So, my question is, why didnt Jack have any idea as to what was going on?

Posted by: RookiesRevenge Oct 13th 2003, 4:55 PM

Consider the possibility there were other abductees who didn't remember their capture. Also Jack can be a little dense sometimes, he had just been returned and often dismisses extraordinary events unless proof is evident.

Posted by: anastasia_beaverhausen Oct 13th 2003, 4:56 PM

Can anyone remember the pic of MS/CJ/ and AT in a "Charlie's Angels" pose that some people said was fake and they were just lookalikes? Was this the episode it was taken during? As far as I can remember it's the same background and clothes they are wearing. Correct me if I'm wrong because I haven't seen the pic in a while. I don't have it and I can't find it but if anyone does then please post it because it would help.

Anyway, I loved this episode beause it was something different from normal episodes. The only problem I have with it is that they let little Jack on the loose, even though he has all the information about the whole stargate program and everything else in his head. Maybe it's because it's a clone of Jack and they know Jack would probably never give out information intentionaly about it, but I still find it a little strange that they let him go.

Posted by: Majikthize Oct 13th 2003, 6:24 PM

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Posted by: glymph Oct 14th 2003, 5:43 AM

Fantastic ep, although the end was a bit bizarre - why did young Jack decide to go off on his own and not live with "old" Jack? He would be curious about developments in the SGC, and how the battle with the Goauld is going. I can see why he would want to live his teenage years all over again, and he understands why he should keep everything about the stargate secret, but wouldn't he still want to know what's going on off-world?

Posted by: Behenna Oct 14th 2003, 5:57 AM

ok was it just my imagination or did it look like big jack got a bit attached to mini jack?. But it was a good ep, very funny like normall, best one of season 7 so far i would say

Posted by: anastasia_beaverhausen Oct 15th 2003, 2:21 PM

Does Michael Shanks still do the voice of Thor in this episode?

Posted by: Spacen Oct 15th 2003, 2:52 PM

Posted by: eliminator Oct 15th 2003, 4:32 PM

That was a pretty funny epsiode, especially with jack and jack having the chat at the very end about the young him going into high school with all the knowledge he already knows from the adult jack. Also in the decades since jack went to elementary school a lot has changed in the school system.

Posted by: Jon The UK SG-1 Fan Oct 16th 2003, 10:02 AM

wow that ep was sweet, i liked that part where Jack saw the hot girls behind little Jack and said........."Yes go forth young man" lmao.

Posted by: Theodora Oct 16th 2003, 10:50 AM

Posted by: eliminator Oct 16th 2003, 2:08 PM

At least he would make their FIRST TIME really safe for them. Not to sound rude or anything that would happen, if anyone watched Odessy 5 b4 it was cancelled (GRRRRRR damn Americans!) that same thing happened in one of the episodes.

Posted by: Jon The UK SG-1 Fan Oct 16th 2003, 2:21 PM

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Posted by: Jon The UK SG-1 Fan Oct 17th 2003, 12:24 PM

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Posted by: eliminator Oct 19th 2003, 8:54 AM

I found jack as a teeager to be quite hlarious, coz he doesn't have that aura of power that he had as a big and strong adult. but his personality still had influence over those cadets learning about the F-302.

Posted by: Thor 2 Oct 19th 2003, 11:53 AM

woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh. Talk about exotic storylines! And rebel Asguards! Me and my Stargate friendly mates had a few laughs over this episode. But i think for an episode that has nothing to do with the real plot of destroying the Goa'uld its a great episode and well written and produced. Jack showed some good acting and that young jack should get a part in the new atlantis. Just a question though, why are there so many episodes left without follow ups- i mean take that one where we first met the retou, what happened to the boy that was taken by the Tok'ra?


Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh!

Posted by: Aesir Oct 20th 2003, 5:06 AM

Posted by: eliminator Oct 22nd 2003, 10:24 AM

As i mentioned somewhere else on this forum I suggested that the teenager jack O'neill should be recommisioned back in the the rank of colonel in about 15 years when the original Jack has retired after his 22 years in the SGC, and so the young jack can still keep the original Thor-O'neill, Sam's Dad - Jack relationships going after all of the orignal SG1 aar past their prime, but teal'c may still be active as he will life a lot longer than us anyway.

Posted by: SG_Dingo Oct 23rd 2003, 7:49 AM

Just watched this episode and i loved it. the young jack (does anyoe actually know his real name?) played O'Neill perfectly with the mannerisms, speech and it even looked like a younger version of him.
it was a great ep but they did need something just to make us laugh again after the last few eps ( jonas leaving)
anyways the one complaint i have is how long it took the older Jack to wake up when they were in his bedroom. it may have been a side-effect of the asgard thingy but he's a special ops trained soldier he should've woken up before that and not as calmly as he did. that's the only complaint i have 'cept they should bring young jack back.

Posted by: Aesir Oct 23rd 2003, 11:11 AM

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Posted by: Chelle B Oct 24th 2003, 9:48 AM

Posted by: SSG Ret Oct 24th 2003, 4:00 PM

Sorry, but no Special Ops vet (or even a person with a specific type of background) is likely to be hard to wake up. In fact, it is usually decidely unsafe to 'wake him up' by physical contact. This is why drill sargeants wake the recruits by shaking the bed. If the sleeper is in arm's reach of you, you are in arm's reach of him. When I was able to spend a weekend with my husband of 4 months (after a 3 week separation) when we were on different orders he made the mistake of trying to kiss me awake. He barely got out of the way in time! He has NEVER done that again and we have been married for 23 1/2 years.

Posted by: Kinghans Nov 5th 2003, 3:52 PM

Agreed, SSG RET, but as Aesir said, being sedated with God knows what (or rather, Loki knows what) we have no way of telling what influence that might have had on him and his waking up whilst grabbing for his gun...

Greetz, King Hans

Posted by: SSG Ret Nov 5th 2003, 4:31 PM

Yeah, sedating could have had something to do with it. I don't think Loki would have wanted him waking up suddenly, either!

Posted by: Kero Dec 6th 2003, 5:33 AM

I liked it. I thought the young jack guy did very well. It was a good episode. It was a bit of an unusual shock when the real jack appeared though. For some reason, after seeing miniJack all episode, and then suddenly original jack, he seemed different. It was good though.

Posted by: Ares Jan 16th 2004, 10:41 PM

Posted by: Albion Jan 31st 2004, 9:49 AM

First time I saw this one, a couple of months back, I didn't really rate it that highly. I caught up with it again second time around last night and have no idea why as it had me in fits of laughter all the way through.

The kid playing the cloned O'Neill was absolutely perfect - so much so that it wasn't until RDA turned up at the end that it really registered with me that this is almost entirely an O'Neill free episode. He just seemed to be there throughout.

This one has some of my favourite comic moments in it - I just adore the hearing the fight between the clone and the guards outside the door with "Okay, I'm warning you", "Didn't I just warn you?", and "Okay, that's it, now I'm mad..." and then the door opens and he's pinned against the wall. Capped with that wonderfully hilarious aside to Carter as he passes her, "Could have taken them." LOL!

I LOL'd at Carter taking the bottle of beer off him too and his reaction to Daniel trawling through his undewear. (Although thought that one would have been even funnier if it had been Sam going through that drawer )

I must admit though that the ending makes me sad. It seems to be tailored to be upbeat and settle the clone happily, but it doesn't strike me that way. I can't help feeling that the clone will quickly realise high school second time around isn't that much fun when you have a head stuffed with the memories of a 45-year old. How can you go back to sitting in class, listening to teachers and other adults tell you what to do (I presume he's having to live with some kind of foster family or something) when you've been in command? How can you date teenage girls, when you have memories of being happily married and having a kid? And he surely has to miss being a part of SG1 and his friendships there as much as the real O'Neill would if he was forced to give them up.

So I can't help but imagine him as being alone and miserable.

(Sally Reeve has written an excellent fanfic on this one actually which covers a lot of these problems and gives the clone a happy ending - though it is at the expense of our own Colonel. I'd recommend it for those who like fanfic. It certainly made me feel a little happier, although it's pretty poignant. It's called Counterbalance.)

I'd definitely like to go back at some point and see how he's getting on - wouldn't mind that at all.

Albion

Posted by: Colonel_O'Neill Mar 3rd 2004, 12:44 AM

Im so MAD im thinking of tearing my hair off When will Daniel Jacson really remember who he is???alien: He said somtehing about jack being a cave man, and swithcing bodies from previous seasons. So he does remember small things. But when does he really rember his identity????

Guys im just mad, because im waiting all the time he will say something: I remember now. Please tell me in later episodes he will return

Later

BTW What a great actor playing joung oneil

Posted by: Evane-Sam Mar 10th 2004, 4:10 PM

I think this episode was great. I liked when Carter took his beer away.

Does anyone know who the artist is and what's the title of the song in the end of the ep?

Posted by: Borg Duck Mar 19th 2004, 8:36 PM

This ones on again tonight too.....dont you just love the Sci-Fi channel?

Posted by: Borg Duck Mar 20th 2004, 2:32 AM

This episode is still as hilarious as ever, nice coincidence about the young Jack not wanting to be frozen yet he was on the previous finale episode (& rerun currently on air now)

Posted by: datag Mar 24th 2004, 9:48 PM

I wonder what happened to Jacks clone after he was dropped off at that high school but I really liked this episode

Posted by: JacksGRL Apr 7th 2004, 9:45 AM

This was the one of the gems of the season. I hope they do something with this in season eight!

Posted by: Mac.Fan Apr 13th 2004, 12:37 PM

older jack was piss off in the end after he woke up after a week sleep thanks to the asgard name okie. He fings out that they mad a"mini me". from him. Well at lest the air force is taking care of little jack O'Neill. I wounder is he is going to be in season eight?

Posted by: Colonel Maybourne Apr 16th 2004, 10:35 AM

i bet little O'Neill comes bk in season 8 or atlantis, with all big jacks knowledge and some time in high school he would be valuable to the SG:A teams

Posted by: vankerck May 25th 2004, 8:25 PM

Thanks for the story recommendation, Albion, that was really great! I'll have to read the other stories written by Sally Reeve.

Posted by: Dr Sam Sep 27th 2004, 10:19 AM

So, for the observant among us we finally get to know Jack's age. You see a shot of his ID badge and it has his DOB on it, which I think was 20/10/52. Although I am confused about why the date appears to be in the English format rather than the US format (which would be 10/20/52). Anyway, that makes him almost 52.

This has got to be the only episode where Sam is ever going to get to call Jack cute!! And it's funny when she takes the beer off him. When stuff like that was happening I was thinking 'Bet Jack gives them hell when he's back to normal' but of course, that was before it was clear that it was a clone of Jack so he wasn't going to go back to normal.

I didn't like the guys in the briefing being disrespectful to Carter and then a kid turns up and they all sit up and pay attention - it made Carter seem 'weak', which she has never been portrayed as before (and indeed isn't!). I guess grown-up Jack would have just told everyone to listen up if Sam was getting lip from anyone, but young Jack just walzed in and took over.

And I hate to think what Teal'c found in the fridge!!

Posted by: dorien Sep 27th 2004, 5:36 PM

Posted by: Joel Oct 28th 2004, 11:02 PM

Posted by: oddball Nov 4th 2004, 8:20 AM

excellent episode. love mini jack, michael welsh yeah? i would just like to point out that jack was already picking up the moment he got out of the car, im sure he would enjoy high school the second time around. he would know all the answers (well most, high school isnt exactly rocket science). so he could just cruise along and enjoy life. i agree with others he would prolly get bored after a while, but there isnt much he can do about it, he is too small to be fightin the goua'ld.

Posted by: kitsune Nov 6th 2004, 5:08 PM

I liked this much better the second time for some reason. Possibly the same reason I like many movies better the second time: I miss a lot of great stuff.

Firstly, Sam, Daniel, and Teal'c did a very good job this episode. You really could feel what they were thinking, and there were also several parts where their combined dialog was great:

Daniel: Ok well, there?s no easy way to tell you this, so Sam's going to come right out and say it...
Sam: <long pause> well sir, as you know the Asgard depend on a cloning technology to...
Jack: Oh, for crying out loud!
Teal'c: You have been cloned O'Neill

Sam: <shaking Jack> Colonel, are you all right?
Daniel: <loudly> Jack! <louder> JACK!
Teal'c: O'Neill
Jack: huh?

Then there was a great line from Daniel, but It was barely noticeable:
Jack: What's going on?
Daniel: We're pretty sure this...assguard over here kidnapped you and attempted to replace you with a clone.
Well, barely noticeable to me at least, I didn't fully realize it until I replayed it.

There is one very big question in my mind. We have most of the Asgards worried about replicators and relocating, but Loki somehow manages to get hold of one very big, very advanced looking ship (or maybe not, the coolest Asgard ships are the sleek ones, like the O'Neill, and the Daniel Jackson, while this one looked much more techified on the outside). How did that happen? You would guess that someone that was banned from the science club would have a hard time getting a ship...

I would also want to go all the way back to high school knowing what I do now. It would not be hard to get back all of the core class memories back, and you could take plenty of the more interesting classes. You would be a shoe-in for any University (imagine the letters of recommendation he can get), and he basically gets to enjoy the next 8 years or so of his life before reentering the workforce. He would have all that time to reevaluate whether he would rejoin the SGC, or if he wanted to do something else. Chances are that in 8 years, Jack has retired, so it wouldn't be really awkward.
He would also advance almost as quickly in rank as Major Major Major did.

Posted by: wonderland Nov 6th 2004, 6:57 PM

Posted by: laurab Nov 7th 2004, 5:59 AM

This ep was ok.
That line of Daniel's- never noticed it! lol.
Oh! & that bit when Daniel, Sam & Teal'c had to tell the cloned Jack he had been cloned. I noticed when Daniel said that Sam was gonna say what they wanted to say, Sam wasn't too pleased. (Her face when she paused!)
It took all three of them (Sam, Daniel & Teal'c) to wake Jack (the non-clone one!).
When I was watching this, when they were in the Asgard ship, something hit me. I had seen all these photos on the 'net from this ep- & one of them was of Teal'c, Daniel & Sam (posing). It hit me when I was watching this, that they had taken it on the set of the Asgard ship.

Posted by: wonderland Nov 7th 2004, 8:03 AM

Posted by: glo316 Nov 28th 2004, 5:37 PM

another one who never noticed daniel's line....i'll watch that episode again and look out for that line...

it is so funny when daniel makes sam tell jack that he's a clone...funny

it is a fave, but then again i have so many and as i watch more of stargate or i watch it over i begin to love different episodes, so probably all...no, most episodes will become faves of mine

Posted by: HanktheToaster Dec 12th 2004, 9:04 PM

Does anyone know what the name of the song that they played at the end of the episode, i wanted to download it cause i thought it was a pretty good.

Posted by: PokeThePuddle Jan 24th 2005, 9:59 PM

great episode... lol "..This[pause]ASSguard.."

AHAHA am i the only one that still can't find that song? (Lily Frost - Who am I)

Posted by: frostychocolatemilkshakes Jan 26th 2005, 1:02 AM

Loved Mini Jack!

Damn liquor control board. I feel your pains.

LOL

Posted by: magnavox Jan 26th 2005, 5:48 AM

Very interesting with a bit of a dark side toward the end. How would you feel finding out you're the copy? I'm guessing he would have done alot of soul searching in that regard before deciding to go back to high school. And speaking of souls, Mini Jack being a new entity and all would have a new soul seperate from the old one which helps confirm the line at the end "From now on you and me are different". He wasn't a man in his late 40's in a 15 year old's body, he was a 15 year old with the memories of a 40 something year old man.
Micheal Welch did an excellent job as Mini Jack (I remember seeing him as a little 12 year old on The Pretender, he grew up fast!) although in some places it seemed like he was forcing the impatient, angry side of O'Neill too much. Yes he was irked in a big way but I think he has more to his character than to take it out on his team mates so harshly. I would have though Carter calling him 'cute' would have been taken as a compliment.
Why did Jack reach for a beer in the middle of the day and while on duty? I suppose it was for the joke but unless he has a secret drinking problem, I don't understand the reasoning in this. (Although Carter was sniffing a glass in his bedroom so you never know...)
PDL doing the voice of Loki, I did not see that one coming! I thought it was really funny when Thor showed up and says "Loki what have you done!" sounded like maybe he was gonna berate him for breaking his toys...
What was up with that new SGC uniform jacket the Carter was wearing (the shiny one?).

Posted by: PokeThePuddle Jan 26th 2005, 9:14 PM

Finally found the song. Its funny that O'Neill gave himself his blessings to go to high school. Its funny that young O'Neill actually behaved just like old O'Neill, but less confused. With past precident, i believe ill be getting more and more confused

Posted by: The Shadow Feb 20th 2005, 10:26 PM

I can see that Jack was getting attached to little Junior!!!

But one thing I don't get is, does the kid still have the same name as big Jack? and what happens when he grows up looking exactly like big Jack? that will be weird!!!!

I couldn't hear what Jack Junior said that made the cadets at the pilot briefing actually serious, can anyone tell me what he said?

I hope little Jack comes back again, maybe in Season Nine, just to fill in big Jack's shoes sice RDA is going to off the show for a while. And maybe later, they could have an episode where big Jack gets hurt badly or captured by the Goa'uld or Replicator and little Jack is the only one who can save him so they have to call him back " consider yourself recall to active duty, Colonel( General)"

I like the idea of little Jack on Atlantis. maybe he'll take over the command from Dr. Weir. Just imagine the look on Sheppard's face if that will happen, we already know that he doesn't follow orders a lot, so how he reacts to little Jack will be a sight to see.

Atlantis controled by Jack and SGC controled by Jack, that would be interesting!!!

I'm writing a script of a made up Stargate movie and little Jack will be in it and I also made up a grand son for big Jack( don"t know how I did that)

Anyways the Ep was cute, Jack Sr and Jack Jr are so hilarious when they're together. And Jack being ADVANCED, I thought he was someone special, I guess I was right!!!

OH! SO HOT!!! I feel like I'm burning!! I think someone set my house on fire!!! I'm gonna faint!!!

Posted by: Wendell May 13th 2005, 9:15 PM

I really liked this episode. I hope to see that clone come back into the series somewhere down the road. I liked how Jack dropped him off at high school at the end and they were eyeballing those young chicks. Funny

Posted by: starryeyes Oct 10th 2005, 12:18 PM

Oh my God, mini-Jack is just so cute. I also hope he returns again. That kid was amazing as Jack. He had his quirks down perfectly. Loki seemed like an interesting character as well. What he did was morally wrong but he was trying to help his race. I'm glad Jack wanted his clone fixed by Thor instead of having him destroyed.
Missed that comment by Daniel. I'll have to re-watch the episode again.

Posted by: Spineshank Oct 19th 2005, 11:48 AM

Oh my God, mini-Jack is just so cute. I also hope he returns again. That kid was amazing as Jack. He had his quirks down perfectly. Loki seemed like an interesting character as well. What he did was morally wrong but he was trying to help his race. I'm glad Jack wanted his clone fixed by Thor instead of having him destroyed.
Missed that comment by Daniel. I'll have to re-watch the episode again.

Posted by: Asgardian Dec 10th 2005, 1:24 PM

That would be really wierd for Jack. How will he refer to the clone? Son? Clone? Jack 2?

Posted by: invisible painting Dec 10th 2005, 1:30 PM

That would be really wierd for Jack.  How will he refer to the clone?  Son?  Clone?  Jack 2?

Posted by: mini_jack Dec 10th 2005, 5:26 PM

or mini me, sorry that was just begging to be used most likely again.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Dec 10th 2005, 9:52 PM

The actor did a pretty good job considering he had never seen Stargate before he got the role. His study of O'Neill was excellent.

We do not have to worry about what Jack will call him. They are both gone and off the show. So why bother.

Posted by: blackbelt83 Dec 21st 2005, 1:55 AM

I thought it was really funny I loved the assgurad part. the kid did a great job coping jack even at the end he got the part where jack looks up when he puts on his sunglasses I also thought it was funny when tealc asks if oniell is conducting a sience exparment and he says that the salsa is still good I thought it was areally funny and interesting episod. also you get to see anothere side to the asgurad Loki was like the mayborn of the asgurad.

Posted by: god of war Mar 8th 2006, 6:51 PM

QUOTE(Auntie Em! @ Dec 10th 2005, 9:52 PM)

Posted by: Auntie Em! Mar 8th 2006, 8:33 PM

They said so on the commentary of the episode. That is why I love the DVD's. You get all the cool stuff about the episodes.

Posted by: Lt Col. Shadow Quinn May 10th 2006, 6:38 PM

Did you notice that the O'neill clone left a playboy magazine on Loki's ship, because I never saw any of the O'neill's take it with them.

Posted by: KillerMarv May 11th 2006, 5:06 PM

That happens many times on TV, when an actor is in the "lime-light" he tends to leave everything he was doing behind and go check it out... that's what O'Neill Jr. has done, and of course, it would be strange to see the writters wasting some of the episode time, with someone getting back the mag.

Posted by: Auntie Em! May 11th 2006, 5:50 PM

I thought it was a comic book and not a playboy.

Posted by: KillerMarv May 11th 2006, 6:00 PM

Hmmm, I think you're right Auntie (as always)... but I couldn't leave it unsolved completely...

So, I rewatched the scene, and made a screenshot of that... Now the question is, if I am allowed to post the image into this thread... image from the episode...

Posted by: Auntie Em! May 11th 2006, 6:01 PM

Sure if it is about this episode you can post a picture of it.

Posted by: KillerMarv May 11th 2006, 6:05 PM

OK, here it goes...



In my opinion, either Shadow was fooled by the poster on the back which would not belong to a Playboy mag anyway, you can see those on TV schedule mags even, or didn't read the title of the mag, or he posted that on purpose... hmmm

Posted by: Auntie Em! May 11th 2006, 6:10 PM

Is that even a real magazine or one of the made up ones they so often do on Stargate?

Posted by: KillerMarv May 11th 2006, 6:13 PM

I wouldn't know if it's real... I'm really far away from the place where they film the show... I'm guessing it's not... but actually I have no idea...

EDIT: Google search on "Gracked" came empty

Posted by: KillerDanny Apr 10th 2007, 12:38 PM

It was a bit entertaining to see 'little' O'Neill, I liked this episode very much. Before the start flick, when they put the camera right in front of the kid, and he said that it's Jack, I was "Yea, I saw that coming". But to actually see an Asgard behind all those "alien kidnapping" stories has taken me by surprise. I gotta say that the name of the Asgard was also funny. Loki reminded me of "loco" - insane.

Posted by: Dafmeister Apr 10th 2007, 4:11 PM

QUOTE(KillerDanny @ Apr 10th 2007, 6:38 PM)

I gotta say that the name of the Asgard was also funny. Loki reminded me of "loco" - insane.

Posted by: Revan Jan 17th 2008, 5:52 PM

I really liked the mini-O'Neill storyline, and must wonder why they never revisited that... Heh, mini-O'Neill could probably have ended up with Cassandra...

I thought it was odd that the pilots in the 302 briefing all snapped to just because the kid said something about it not saying Colonel on his uniform. Why would they believe it just because he had an attitude?

Posted by: JTMAG1 Jan 17th 2008, 7:42 PM

QUOTE(Revan @ Jan 17th 2008, 5:52 PM)