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Posted by: Arcady Sep 17th 2004, 5:19 PM

Episode 10 - The Storm
Air Date: (US) September 17, 2004

When a massive storm threatens the city, Atlantis is evacuated, only to be taken over by the team's newest enemy.
(Part 1 of 2).

http://www.sg1archive.com/atlantis/s1.shtml#110 | http://www.sg1archive.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=7487 | http://www.sg1archive.com/teasers/a110.html

(This topic is for people who have seen the episode to discuss it. If you don't want to be spoiled, don't read this topic.)

Posted by: bob is almighty Sep 17th 2004, 10:20 PM

I have to say that this was a completely original, well-made, and well-acted episode. The scenes were classic, the acting was priceless (it seems that the actors are falling into their rolls better). This is getting going faster than SG-1 did in it's first season, IMO.

Overall, when the episode ended I felt satisfied and I felt that they did a very good job on it, the best Atlantis episode so far. The cliffhanger was excellent. I love cliffhangers, especially good ones. It was just excellent across the board. The end of the episode was classic and powerful.

The episode was just excellent overall, much improvement over last week.

Overall, I give it a 95/100.

Posted by: X303kicksass Sep 17th 2004, 10:25 PM

Agreed, hate to say but it topped Sg-1 in finales for the summer. Though how they got the Iris code seemed rather weak point of the plot. They just handed out GDO's to everyone?

Posted by: LoneWolf84 Sep 17th 2004, 10:26 PM

all I can say is...

ATLANTIS ROCKS!!!!!

I LOOOOOOOOOVED this ep!!! It was awesome!!!

And the dude missed...he shot the dudes...not Weir...damn!

TWO FOUR SIX EIGHT! WHO WILL YOU ERADICATE?!?! WEIR WEIR KIIIIIIIILLLLLLLL WEIR!!!!

I cannot wait till they get back to this...I'm quitting Sg1...Atlantis is MY show now!!

Great ep, total shock. I knew the dude was up to something, but the genii!!! Wow, who woulda guessed? Any bets on that curly haired chick switching sides??? And you so know Beckett's gonna get courage and fly that bad boy.

Can anyone say "And you thought Ivan was bad?"

Bow down to the Atlantis writers!

Posted by: Linz Sep 17th 2004, 10:30 PM

ATLANTIS, I think I might be looking forward to it more than SG-1 in January.

Poor McKay! I <3 McKay and he got cut... wonder what happened? Missing scene anyone?

Anyways, besides the few things that of course bug me... it was a pretty good ep. And the timing with the hurricane plot couldn't have been better...

Posted by: Christy Sep 17th 2004, 10:32 PM

wow..lots of people posting at this moment in time.
okay, because i'm in Australia and the show has not even started airing yet...i'm going to be nosey and just read what you are all saying and if you are kind enough to just fill me in with some information...or is that not allowed?
well...I was jsut curious from one of your posts...Did one of the Atlantis people leak information to the Genii?
And was Cole Meaney in the episode?

Posted by: xayeidemon Sep 17th 2004, 10:33 PM

I wondered if Florida was under that opening shot of the hurricane...then I turned the channel. I did get to see some yummy McKay and some yummy McKay whumpage.

Two words: KILL WEIR.

It was okay, nothing I'd bother taping.

Posted by: Christy Sep 17th 2004, 10:34 PM

I thought that Weir had been getting better of late.
And it's not like she's the main focus of the series so it's not like she's in your face all of the time.
She doesn't bother me, she could be better but maybe this episode was different.

Posted by: bob is almighty Sep 17th 2004, 10:38 PM

Weir was much better in this episode. The actor seems to be getting into her role better, although they could still make more use out of Ford. He kind of annoyed me this episode. Also, Sheppard's acting (I haven't learned the names of the actors yet...), was improved, especially in the last half of the episode. He is starting to develop seperately from O'Neill.

And yes, the timing of the hurricane plot couldn't have been better.

Posted by: Spence Sep 17th 2004, 11:17 PM

My favorite line, again, was by McKay "Despite what anyone might think. I am not Superman." And I loved Shepard's response "Did anyone think that he was Superman?"

I am finally getting a better feel for the characters and how they interact with each other. I liked this plot, because, like others have said already, the plot was very original and the hurricane storyline was well-timed here in the U.S.

Posted by: Christy Sep 17th 2004, 11:21 PM

At least the series is getting a fresh feel from Stargate SG-1.
It wouldn't have been a good idea if it seemed like Atlantis was shadowing SG-1

Posted by: Aquila Sep 18th 2004, 12:07 AM

Posted by: SlavsyaRossiya Sep 18th 2004, 1:15 AM

Argh! a 2 parter! A good episode, but I have to hold off rating it until I see the next one.....

....

Posted by: 1969 Sep 18th 2004, 1:53 AM

Mckays a wuss for giving up so easily. I cant believe he spilled everything-even the procedure for self destruct.

Posted by: IndyJan Sep 18th 2004, 2:35 AM

This episode was okay, but I enjoyed the SG one so much better. Mainly because of the characters. McKay is such a wush. He cracked so easily. The only thing interesting is the Genii, which is what I said when we first saw them. I thought they had the potential to be a greater enemy then the Wraith.

Posted by: Reignfire Sep 18th 2004, 2:40 AM

Posted by: Christy Sep 18th 2004, 2:46 AM

this seems sort of like Star Trek Voyager, Season 3, Basics.
Okay, not really but they left the city and it got invaded, voyager was forced to leave their city because of the storm but they found resistance when they tried to get it back.

ok, so it's not really like Voyager.
I do have to say that this was a good effort by the writers though

Posted by: Raz Sep 18th 2004, 4:10 AM

This was a very good episode with thankfully a new plotline, which was excellent for Atlantis! It did seem a bit stupid that they gave an GDO to someone who would simply give it up like that, and u would also think that they'd make more people guard the gate, even if it was a Skeleton crew. Bits of humour with the superman mckay, and overall the episode was excellent but I can't wait 4 months for the next one....hopefully to be shown first here in the UK on Sky One!

Episode gets a 8/10 (generously)

Posted by: ted_simple Sep 18th 2004, 6:59 AM

I went like "that settles it, dump SG-1"...this episode was so exciting, I had almost forgotten what a good story advancement means. Wow when Kolya threatened to kill Elizabeth... I was so scared... the Atlantis crew seems so fragile. Oh no!

The premise was great: a storm, a big task that the entire team must face... meanwhile at the SGC: Boredom... hey the gate is gone... OMG what will Gen. O'Neill say... OMG what will the president say...

Well Endgame was like most episodes nowadays, an accumulation of scattered scenes. Only upsides: The mass-murder-makes-you-shudder-factor and the cloaked-ships-with-stargates-on-them-and-asgard-beaming-tech-rock factor. It seems that SG-1 is dead, while Atlantis has found its own path. Admittedly, I firmly expect that the upcoming half of season eight will be much better...there will be larger story arcs again... but the way it's going, the series should end after this season. Atlantis is the new star on the horizon.

Posted by: RJLCyberPunk Sep 18th 2004, 8:52 AM

Posted by: Annunaki Sep 18th 2004, 12:18 PM

Damn, we are going to have to wait till January to find out what happens??? I hate cliffhangers like that. I like it how SG-1 pretty much tied it's whole first part of the season into one episode with no cliffhanger

Posted by: ted_simple Sep 18th 2004, 1:12 PM

I think for SG-1 no cliffhanger was best (glad the Trust story is over), but for Atlantis it was alright.

Posted by: chelstia Sep 18th 2004, 2:06 PM

Wow! This episode was really cool. Having Weir and McKay hostages about to be shot and Sheppard alone thying to save them and Atlantis (Die Hard anyone). Sheppard is just so cool.
Then there's Teyla and Ford seems like those two charactors are pretty boring even in the last episode they seemed to just be pushed out of the way. Hopefully they'll contribute to the second part in some lifesaving way. I can't believe this cliffhanger because I have absoblutely no idea what will happen (so apparently they wrote this right because I am definitely hanging here).
The action and drama was great in this episode. Having Atlantis taken over with a killer storm approaching makes a suspenseful story. Even each charactor has their moment. Then everytime those soldiers hit McKay's arm I just went ouch.
Really excited to see part two.

Posted by: Felger Sep 18th 2004, 4:05 PM

Posted by: o neill 2 lls Sep 18th 2004, 4:47 PM

another great episode of atlantis again with a great ending, edge of the seat stuff it just sucks that we will have to wait a couple of months to see part 2 (will sky 1 catch up before it airs in again in america),

is weir dead i wonder ? if she is will hammond take over if earth can contact atlantis btw i just miss hammond thats why i mentioned it.

Posted by: Raxor Sep 18th 2004, 6:15 PM

best episode of the series and the first onie that gets ****
loved the ending

and i hope they kill that bitch


stuipd weir shes expendable imo

Posted by: Christy Sep 18th 2004, 6:58 PM

I wonder if the writers are going to try and compete SG-1 with Atlantis? see which one ends up with the most viewers...but then again they're one after the other so you would think someone would watch both of the episodes

Posted by: Stargate SG-1 Bott Sep 18th 2004, 7:21 PM

Great episode, very entertaining and well acted.

I dont read spoilers anymore so i dont have a clue whats happeneing in any new stargate episode, its SO MUCH BETTER that way.

Posted by: Bowley Sep 18th 2004, 9:28 PM

Posted by: shadderk Sep 19th 2004, 4:44 AM

Great Episode.. I cant wait until the 2nd part, unfortunetly will haveto wait a few months..

When Sheppard was meeting with the Mynerians(sp) at first, I thought they were the Genni, I was thinking What the HELL!! They wore the same drab clothing and acted very much the same. It wasnt until Sheppard came back to report that it was mentioned who they were.

Don't see what the Genni could have done wanting a ship, I mean they dont have the Ancient Gene that we know of so they could not have flown the ship.

As for Mckay spilling the beans, was a bit dissapointing. I mean we canadians can lie and cheat too!! That has always bothered me, why when your back is against the wall, make up some plausable expanation. A little colorful deception, tell them a little of the truth, but taint it with lies and deception.

Hopefully Ford has more of a role in the 2nd parter, really getting the sense that his character is being left in the dust. Another canadian actor btw, he usedto be a VJ of Much music a few years back.

The radio left in the C4 boxes was great, and the looks on the faces of the Gennii when they found it was priceless. With the way Sheppard does things, and they way he said they woudl never find the C4 would be funny if he simply put it in a place really closeby where it was stored heh. Would be classic, Wier asks, "where did you hide the C4", and Sheppard responds, "Oh in the storage room across the hall"..

I had an idea on the last grounding station problem, there is one way Sheppard could disable it, with the C4, a shape charge like taking out a support beam in a building. it would ensue that the transfer of power to the shield would take place when the storm hits, yeah they could be screwed later on but without that grounding stationg turned off or taken out the shield idea may not work.

Sorra.. damn what a hottie and a great warrior, the way she stood toe to toe with Commader Akostis(sp) in the beginning was a great training scene. She does seem somewhat distrustful of the commander though, when he kills the 2 guards at the gate and when he threatens more of the SGA team. One minute she seems to somewhat caring at times, then she brings out her mean spirted side . I hope her and Teyla have a staff fight in the 2nd part, from seeign Teyla fight that Wraith, I think it would be a good matchup.

Mckay was on his toes there when he leaned up ont he console to relay to Sheppard where the Gennii were heading and what they wanted.

I don't think Wier will die, I know he character really stinks so far, but I jsut cant see them getting rid of her in the middle of the season ( I dont read spoilers so dont know of episodes to come with her)

The cliffhanger was great, I cant wait until the conclusion.

Shad

Posted by: mithwriter Sep 19th 2004, 8:20 AM

Yep, the first thing I thought of with that storm was Ivan. Nice timing for the broadcast date. Also, I wonder if there is a deleted scene wtih McKay's interrogation? Ford is still a little too gung-ho for me, but I think about how serious Teal'c was when he first started, and now look at him.

All the scenes at Atlantis were well written, well plotted, well paced...and yes, well acted. The last act stuff was especially good, including Weir's scene with Akostis about her team being the only ones who can access Atlantis tech becuase of their ties to the Ancients, and his comeback about her 'arrogance' at not even being from that galaxy.

The last few minutes were tight, tense...and I have no idea what's going to happen next, except that the storm is still coming...


Well done, Atlantis.

Posted by: Drizzt's Syn Sep 19th 2004, 9:09 AM

Superb episode, I was surprised they didn't have that commander actually shoot at the end but only have Sheppard hear it over the radio, that would've made the cliffhanger even more effective than just have it end with him aiming at them....I doubt they're going to get out of that situation without some bloodshed.

Posted by: Christy Sep 19th 2004, 6:25 PM

I actually think the begining of this episode looked cool.
I liked the 1 minute where they revisited the Genii episode (Underground)
The acting, from the 5 minutes i've seen so far of it is quite cool.
It's really good to see Shepperd and Teyla going out in the jumpers and seeing these things together...it does shoe promise.
Joe Flanigans acting just before the creditas opened could have been slightly better but i have no complaints for the 2 minutes before that.

And then after the credits they did a good job going into all the technical stuff.
I think that this episode, so far, has been the best yet...and it's been interesting which is a good thing.

Posted by: linda_lol Sep 19th 2004, 7:05 PM

This episode really got my attention, VERY GOOD! Although I hate episodes that have to have a PART ONE along with the PART TWO. Drives me nuts! Especially at the end of this episode, you don't know what happens to Weir. Poor McKay, I was dieing to give him a hug. Geez, they basically tortured him. That flippin hurts to get a knife jammed down your arm. I felt bad for the guy, a ton of sympathy! Teyla, Ford, and the doctor were kinda in the story but were just THERE. You just wanna know about the Foothold with the SGA and not whats goin on in the ship. Well, this episode got 9/10, and trust me, Atlantis has been disappointing to me but this really caught my eye! Great episode!

Posted by: Mental Case Sep 19th 2004, 11:27 PM

Does anyone else shout out "yay!" whenever it looks like Weir might die?

I've done it a few times now.. but they never go through with it!

Posted by: Christy Sep 20th 2004, 12:06 AM

let's be nice now.
It[s not like we see a lot of Weir anyway...
but...shouldn't she be last on credits? she's like Hammond...we see about the same amount of her as we did of him...so she should be last on credits

Posted by: linda_lol Sep 20th 2004, 5:06 PM

Posted by: ted_simple Sep 20th 2004, 5:38 PM

Of course "Save Weir!" I was worried about her.

I might shout "Kill Higginson!" so that they have to bring Jessica Steen back.

Posted by: Spence Sep 20th 2004, 6:37 PM

I like the concept of Dr. Weir, but I'm not too attached to the character the writers actually have in the show. The concept that I like is that the leader is a compassionate civilian who has very good bargaining skills and is interested in getting people of different backgrounds to get along and agree upon things. But I think that the writers need to give her some more personality. If the character of Dr. Weir had more of a sense of humor or something unique to her, other than complete seriousness, then she'd be more likeable. For example, I don't think I'd love to be friends with McKay but his arrogance is hilarious. I love watching him because I keep waiting for the next snippy reply. I like Shepard's sarcasm. Tayla, at the very least has good facial expressions. But Weir and Ford are very flat characters. They do what needs to be done and they seem like affable enough people, but there's nothing quirky or fascinating about them that makes you care if you see them again or not.

Posted by: Aquila Sep 20th 2004, 8:47 PM

Posted by: Ehzarhorden Sep 21st 2004, 12:39 AM

Great Episode! kill weir
Lots of action and suspense! kill weir
Props to Robert Davi as the bad guy! kill weir
Major John Mclane, uhh I mean John Sheppard was awesome! kill weir

I know not to expect a main character to be killed off, but you never know how the writers might respond to the fans voices.

So in case the writers happen to read this post.

KILL WEIR!!!!

ok, fine, just shoot her and put her in the infirmary for a few episodes so they can attach bionic parts on her and she can become WeirBorg.

Posted by: Christy Sep 21st 2004, 4:22 AM

some of you guys are really negative...and it's kinda sad that you guys think this way.
They will not kill her off.
And Ford...he has potential...he is like Harry Kim in Star Trek Voyager - very loyal...and he is one that will not leave a man behind...i'm rooting for him

Posted by: toddy67 Sep 21st 2004, 8:06 AM

Posted by: Ehzarhorden Sep 21st 2004, 9:39 AM

Posted by: laby01 Sep 21st 2004, 10:16 AM

Wow. This episode was very well done. I have to admit...even more exciting than stargate sg1! (Although that episode was also good too)
It's disappointing we have to wait 3 months to find out the conclusion, is Wier killed? Likely not, as we didn't hear a gunshot of any kind... or is it Mckay who gets shot (in addition to his arm injury)?
Guess we just have to tune in same bat time, same bat channel...3 months from now!
I have also noticed, as many have already mentioned, that Ford and Theyla don't have much to do...and I hope that the writers will soon realize that their characters are not being developed evenly as the rest (Mckay, Sheppard, even the good doctor!). Wier is currently being made more three dimensional, adding to the character development this episode and the previous one before it. And I must admit, at first her character was more or less annoying...having nothing much to say or worse for wear, having have no good ideas and leaving so much control to her subordinates. But as of recent occurrances, I've noted how she has grown to be stronger and have a sharper tongue, almost a mocking tone to those who are threatening them (or her for that matter!)
All in all, moments that I thoroughly enjoyed in this episode is the "Superman" comment made by Mckay and Sheppards response to that.
I also liked the interaction between Mckay and the other scientist working with him on a solution to shield Atlantis. It was funny when they figured out about the disabling the lightening rods that Mckay was trying to be the first to propose the idea. haha. Love his character; both arrogant and a big teddy sometimes -- refering to an episode from sg1...carter - mckay infirmary scene.

laby01~

Posted by: Christy Sep 21st 2004, 5:32 PM

hmm, there is always room for improvment.
but this show can reach highs...i bet it will be a really successful spin off

Posted by: Vega Sep 21st 2004, 10:19 PM

Posted by: seymour Sep 22nd 2004, 12:19 AM

Great episode for me, exciting, good tie-in with an earlier episode, actors improving and interacting very nicely. Right now, I would watch Atlantis over Stargate SG-1 and I never thought I'd be saying that (but that was before 10 episodes of SG-1 Season 8).

Special effects were very nicely done (except the puddle-jumper in the teaser looked very close to the ocean and I was surprised that Sheppard was surprised that a storm could stretch across the horizon from that height-perhaps I was mistaking the visual clues-help here please).

Although it is clearly part of McKay's character to whine, I'm sure he wasn't sent off to Atlantis without a good supply of EpiPens (or another self-injectable epinephrine), a good anti-histamine and corticosteroids to take if needed for food-induced anaphylaxis.

Good TV role models for those with various medical conditons are difficult to find. While citrus is/are not one of the big six causes of food-induced anaphylaxis (peanuts, tree nuts, shellfish, fish, milk, and eggs), these days even the youngest children with life-threatening allergies know that "if you don't know what is in then don't eat it" so we can't even say he is acting like a child.

While it's great to have a character on a good TV show with a severe food allergy doing clever dangerous stuff in another galaxy, I'd either like to see McKay go into anaphylatic shock (making it a plot device but having him survive of course), or deal with it with the maturity of a 6-year in Kindergarten, or just give it a rest. It is always the nerd who has allergies (thus perpetuating stereotypes) but enough already with the whinny nerd.

Posted by: CitizenK Sep 22nd 2004, 4:21 AM

Okay, well... I do have to agree with the concensus, SGA's season finale was much better than Stargate's. And I was really surprized at how GREAT it was.

Now, once again, I do have one minor complaint and someone has already pointed it out. The story wasn't terribly original. Yeah, it's "Die Hard" with Sheppard playing the Bruce Willis role and to my most wonderous surprize, Robert Davi playing the kidnapper terrorist role. He was excellent as Commander Koyla and here's your second Die Hard connection since he played an FBI agent in that movie.

Boy, you've got to give Mallozi and team credit for getting these little details right.

See, as much as I really really enjoyed this episode, the story was just a re-hash of
Die Hard. You've got the city evacuated because of the storm. In Die Hard, there were only a handful of people in the tower for a Christmas party. Then you've got the terrorists who really turn out to be thieves because ultimately, they were after the items in the company's vault. In the Storm, you've got hte Genii terrorists acting as thieves originally trying to steal "technology" but in the end stealing the city.

Alright, I could be just nitpicking a wee bit too much. But, all in all, this was a particularly exciting show. The pacing was excellent. There were just the right amounts of humor... as provided by McKay. Although, he was just a tad overbearing this week. Did love the superman reference. Love the Czech scientist. Hope we get to see more of him since I think that both he and Beckett are good foils for Mckay. At least, they both seem to be able to handle the guy.

And gee, if the Genii aren't becoming far far more interesting than the Wraith as an enemy ! Shoot, they've definitely shown some serious initiative.

I love the scene (albiet a short one) between Koyla and Cowan (sp?) ... Just seeing Robert Davi and Colm Meany acting together was such a thrill. See, now... here's what can happen when you have talented character actors playing to perfection. I thought Colm Meany was fantastic as the revenge driven Genii leader. And I what a thrill it was to see Robert Davi's name in the opening credits. I haven't seen him since Profiler and I was a huge fan of Profiler. That small scene was just so well done.

Now... you know who's really growing on me ? the slacker Major Sheppard. I've got to say that his character is developing nicely. And his hair wasn't bothering me either. At least, it didn't seem as much as a rat's nest as it had in prior episodes.

Actually, everyone was really very good in the finale. The writers really need to give Lt Ford something important to do. Because in general, I don't see the poor guy being giving any good material to work with.

I thought it was a great idea to use the storm as a means of bringing in the Genii. I mean, talk about an opportunity for them. But, also a way of "breaking" up the team into different groups. I liked how they were more or less split up into different teams i.e. Teyla (who I liked quite a bit), Ford (needs better material) and Beckett (my favorite sci-fi doctor). Mckay and Weir. Then the ever resourceful Major Sheppard.

hmmm... so what are they going to do about Dr Weir. You know, they aren't going to kill her off. I'm sure the actress had a contract for the full season. But, hopefully, the writers will do more to enhance her character.

let's see, do I have a nitpick ? a small complaint really. Here's where having a Zat would have been a good thing. Instead of Sheppard killing the Genii assault team a la Bruce Willis, he could have zatted 'em.

I'm sure I've got lots of other stuff to say. But, this really was a fabulous episode.

can't believe I have to wait til January or to see what happens ! but, you've got to figure that some how... Sheppard will end up in a big confrontation/fight scene with
Commander Koyla. Teyla and Sorra will fight and ultimately, McKay and the Czech scientist will find a way to save the city from the Storm.

9/10 is my score.

oh, and SGA/Stargate really need to get different teams of writers on each show because once again... stealing the gate on Stargate... hmmm... stealing the city in SGA.

Posted by: Christy Sep 23rd 2004, 5:14 PM

now that was a nice read, your views are quite good.
I don't think Teyla and Sorra will fight though.
Sorra seems to be upset by Koyla's actions and she's already started saying that it's not a cool thing to do...not in those words though.
She will be one of our saviours...right at the end

Posted by: Gunfighter Sep 23rd 2004, 9:55 PM

I have mixed feelings about this episode; on the one hand the story and plot is pretty well done, the visual effects are very convincing, and the action is okay. On the other, Sheppard doesn't seem to be aggressive enough for a military officer. Instead of trying to kill the enemy, he's just negotiating. Commander Kolya doesn't seem badass, he just seems like a man still troubled by a life-threatening case of acne as a youth. The acting, while improving overall, still isn't great. I get the feeling that the writers didn't really define their characters very well when they invented them, so now the actors have to try to make up for it.

One thing that bugs me is that Sheppard's not really hardcore. He can defend himself, but he's just not the kind of guy that wants to kill the enemy. I would have used some of that C-4 to set up an ambush just outside that last crystal-thingy. Shep's got that ancient motion tracker, so he'd know just when to set it off and take out the guys sent to capture him. Would have been a whole lot easier and safer than trying to get the upper hand with the P(os)90.

This ep has been compared several times to Die Hard, but I'm still waiting for something on the order of "now I have a machine-gun." 'Till next time, folks, it's fists with your toes.

PS- Oh, yeah. Anybody feel the tension when Kolya threatened to shoot Weir? Anyone? Me neither.

Posted by: Christy Sep 24th 2004, 3:23 AM

oh come on...there was tension in his voice, you just had to listen to it..he was being...i don't know what the word is for it...but he was like that other guy in Die Hard who was played by Alan Rickman.
You don't need to have a really bad menacing voice to sound threatning.

And why should Sheppard blow up others?
their job is not to go out shooting but to be peaceful.
They went to Atlantis on a PEACEFUL mission not to have enemies come into Atlantis, take over and then for them to shoot all the bad guys..and that would be totally uninteresting as well.

Posted by: CitizenK Sep 24th 2004, 8:01 AM

Posted by: Christy Sep 25th 2004, 4:08 AM

ah CitizenK...you sure know how to make a person feel like their opinions are right.
I don't mind the OC oh though i do agree with the pretty face part.
HOW COME ALL SHOWS HAVE PRETTY BOYS?
Atlantis is good because they're not all love gods.

Posted by: Gunfighter Sep 26th 2004, 12:26 AM

I didn't say I wanted a pretty boy character on the show; I'm just saying that the acne-survivor look was the only thing distinctive about the Kolya character. He seemed to be more bored than menacing. And since you know he's not going to kill anybody who has their name in the credits, the threat seemed pretty lame. Shep kinda went limp like a wet noodle at the end there, too. You try to negotiate to buy some time, but you don't just give in to the enemy's demands. It sets a bad precedent, kinda like the Indian airliner crisis a few years ago. It's pure behavioral psychology- show the enemy that you'll give in when they push, and they'll learn that they can control you. Yes, in police situations, negotiations are attempted before the SWAT team goes in, but there are several things that need to be considered.

First of all, even if the police are able to communicate and negotiate with the suspect, there is never a chance that the suspect will be allowed to walk away- the suspect WILL be apprehended, negotiations or no. The negotiator isn't going to give the suspect what he wants, but rather is going to try to talk him out of doing anything foolish.

Secondly, I would venture to say that in most cases when hostages are an issue, they are there simply because the suspect is getting desperate. The suspect needs a shield between himself and the SWAT team; he's not often willing to die if it can be in any way avoided. This instinct for survival, in conjunction with the threat of force from the SWAT team, is what the negotiator is playing with.

Third, and somewhat related, a hostage-taking criminal (or any criminal, for that matter) is typically acting in his own self-interest. Whether it's a robbery gone wrong, or they're trying to satisfy some sort of emotional need in a crime of passion, there is rarely anything more important to the suspect than himself. He doesn't answer to any higher authority. A criminal is almost always lacking determination and discipline.

The Genii assualt team is a very different adversary, and has to be treated as such. First of all, they came to Atlantis with a strategic objective. Although they may be there to steal weapons and supplies, they're not going for personal gain. They're adhering to a set plan and a chain of command, consciously risking their lives for their objectives, and that makes them determined to succeed. For the moment, Kolya is holding all the cards except for the C-4. The Genii outnumber and outgun Sheppard, obviously, and they also have bargaining chips in the form of Drs. Weir and McKay. Kolya is in the position of strength, and he's not desperate. He's in control.

Shep does have a couple advantages, though. First of all, of course, he's got the C-4 that Kolya has been ordered to get. The other advantage is Kolya's secondary objective- to capture key Atlantis personnel. Prisoners are always a welcome source of information, and the higher ranking they are, the better. He's already got McKay and Weir, but he's also anxious to capture the military leader as well. Coupled with the fact that the C-4 is missing, as well as the limited time available before the storm hits, Sheppard becomes too valuable to kill- at least until Kolya becomes truly desperate. Seeing as how Weir is the highest ranking person at Atlantis, she's also too valuable to kill, as is McKay, with his knowledge of atomic weapons among various other subjects. Kolya's threat can be nothing but a bluff; because of his inexperience, or perhaps emotional attachment, Sheppard is unable to see this and use it to his advantage.

Oh yeah, and there is something to be said for having actors that don't all look like they've stepped out of a soap opera. There's nothing wrong with having a little mileage under your belt, or perhaps your eyes. Visible age can often give a character a distinguished air or perhaps a bit of visual authority. I'm don't think I would go for the Tommy Lee Jones look that Kolya has, though. The Grand Canyon's nice to visit but I'm not sure I'd like to see it in the mirror. As a side note, I find it kind of funny (and also somewhat sad) that Ford's only character description is that he's "boyishly good looking," according to the official Atlantis web page at SciFi.

Oh, yeah, before I forget...

Posted by: bob is almighty Sep 26th 2004, 1:03 AM

Sure, you're right about the hostage situation Gunfighter. However, what does Kolya have to lose by killing Weir? His dignity? He doesn't need that. He's got everything he needs except the C4, and Kolya knows that Sheppard hid the C4, not Weir. As a matter of fact, all he has to do technically is forget about the C4, kill Weir, take McKay back to his world and hold him prisoner there, and let that portion of the city be destroyed, because there doesn't appear to be anything anyone can do to save that part of it, unless I missed something here. That achieves most of his goals and that's probably what I would do. There isn't really any valuable information that he can gain from Weir.

Posted by: downloader Sep 26th 2004, 5:47 AM

IMHO, SG-A eps1 & 2 were a bit rushed in the story line, it wasnt allowed to develop as you would expect as it was one set of issues after another which bogged the story down.

Some one menyioned TNG and the theme tune, if you ever listen to it and TNG you will see that they are totally different, who ever that muppet is should take a short course in music production.

The EP110 is a bit of a cliff hanger, I have been waiting a couple of weeks for ep111 to download but none have been posted is their a break since ep110? as all the eps I have are from the US, show times are different in the UK to the US and currently only showing on SKY one, again restrictive because I aint got it.

Posted by: CitizenK Sep 26th 2004, 2:18 PM

Posted by: bob is almighty Sep 26th 2004, 4:27 PM

Oh yeah, did anyone ever consider the fact that Kolya might be bluffing?

Posted by: infra172 Sep 26th 2004, 6:08 PM

Posted by: ted_simple Sep 26th 2004, 6:31 PM

Yeah!!!!! Here's some HOT GIRL ON GIRL action rolling on!!!

Posted by: Aquila Sep 26th 2004, 11:05 PM

Posted by: ted_simple Sep 27th 2004, 6:04 AM

Oh please. Maybe Ford will find an honorable death trying to be a hero. Then Sorra takes his place on the team. She appears to be cut out for bigger things than him.

Edit: Why did Kolya take his most amateurish team? He said they weren't ready yet. Don't have the Genii anyone who IS ready? Sorra's father is the only "capable" person which died in Underground, but there should be others.

Posted by: Gunfighter Sep 27th 2004, 5:04 PM

Posted by: VectorDP Sep 28th 2004, 3:38 PM

I have a better suggestion for the gate room. Why not add shields to the room itself. If we do let anyone in through the gate, then they are still isolated in the gateroom, and possible neutralized before they get anywhere.

Posted by: droid327 Sep 30th 2004, 11:04 PM

Posted by: Carter-Hot Oct 3rd 2004, 4:18 AM

Posted by: Christy Oct 4th 2004, 7:06 PM

Posted by: coaldat6 Oct 11th 2004, 3:33 PM

My problem with The Storm is this - I think they should have used Ford - at least a little, in this episode.

In the season premiere, Ford tracked Shepard's boot marks to the Wraith Queen's "dining room," shot the Wraith guards between the eyes, and rescued Shepard. I realized that Ford probably had special forces training while Shepard was a pilot in the Air force serving in Antarctica. I would venture to say that Ford is probably a much more accurate shooter and hand to hand combatant.

Shepard, in his role of leader of the team, should be in charge of tactics and strategy (like when he brought two extra PJs to the Genii planet as backup). But he should leave the heavy shooting, sneak and peak, hand to hand, etc. to Ford, who has the training and experience.

I guess the Storm episode was too important to be handled only by Ford, but he's the one who should be sneaking around Atlantis, not Shepard.

As a highly trained soldier, Ford would finally have a purpose to being on the team... and on the show. His skills would be marksmanship, camouflage and sneaking around undetected, etc...

Hopefully, Ford and Teyla can get back to the city in the next episode and lend a hand - it would be much more exciting than seeing Shepard miraculously kill off all the Genii singlehandidly... maybe they can take the PJ underwater and get in through a different opening underneath the city, so the Genii don't see them arrive. It makes sense that after being in Atlantis for a while already, the team will have learnt some of its secrets and use their knowledge to take out the Genii.

I was also thinking that if the Asgard have transport technology (and installed it on Prometheous), so did the Ancients... so all Shepard has to do is find the right control panel, and beam all the Genii right into the sheilded cell where he was keeping Steve : )

Posted by: Kromando33 Oct 15th 2004, 7:44 PM

i was just thinking, it would be normal for mcay to give in to torquer, he's not trained to withstand it. And kolya looked more like a south american drug lord than a badass military commander to me, but he did a great acting job as did most of crew except ford who just looks like than dark skinned guy on csi-miami, i can't wait to see how this turns out. But did anyone notice how at the end of the episode the camera backed out from that tiny window to a total view of the city just like in the first sg1 2-parter the camera backed out from the windows of the goa'uld mothership to a total view of the ship, did anyone else notice this?

Posted by: Christy Oct 26th 2004, 9:38 PM

can't say i did notice, i'm not one to be able to pick up all of those nitpicks..lol.
at this moment in time, i've been thinking about the episode and am starting to think just how old is it..like, you know when you've seen a series wnhen you were younger than then it get's reran on t.v...that's my thought on Atlantis at this moment, only because there hasn't been a new episode out and i've watched other shows in the meantime.

Posted by: Krystian SG1 Nov 13th 2004, 3:50 PM

Funny Quote:

MCKAY: What is the one thing keeping us from having a shield
WEIR : That would...
MCKAY: Power! And what does a megastorm from hell have a lot of?
WEIR : Power.
MCKAY: In the form of?
WEIE: You want to build a windmill?

Posted by: Evo Nov 13th 2004, 4:21 PM

Posted by: Carter-Hot Nov 13th 2004, 4:47 PM

LOL!

This episode was funny, what about the scene when Teyla, Sora and Beckett finally arrived at the Gate Room, whilst the power was building up, they all look around waiting patiently and McKay has a brief conversation with Beckett...


McKay: Carson!
Beckett: Rodney
McKay: Just to see how this ends huh?

Well something like that anyway

Posted by: Christy Nov 14th 2004, 4:00 AM

Posted by: soma_momma Nov 21st 2004, 11:28 PM

Yes, this episode was not so big on humor.

Posted by: ted_simple Nov 22nd 2004, 7:40 AM

Speaking of windmills.





The old windmills were one of the prettiest sights in the country. Modern ones are uglier than any other power plant!

Posted by: Christy Nov 25th 2004, 10:00 PM

yes, the older ones looked so cute and they looked homely while the new windmills look cold.

While the storm didnt have much humour in it, the storyline proved to be a really good one with a story leading up to the suspense of will Weir be shot, what will Sheppard do and will the Genni destroy the city, take it over and how would the Atlantians get the city back.

I thought that this was a good cliffhanger episode and i hope to see more of them.

Posted by: dorien Nov 27th 2004, 12:51 PM

There are differences between the SGC and Atlantis. As there should be. But stupidity should not be one of them. The two nameless guards (who must have been Jaffa in a past life) lowered the shield without authorization because the sender of the IDC said they were ?under attack?. The cannon fodder apparently missed the SGC briefing on security protocol before leaving on the Atlantis mission. Pretty lame segue into an otherwise interesting storyline.

Posted by: Christy Nov 27th 2004, 7:22 PM

dorien, i'm not sure what you mean, could you enlighten me on what briefing on security protocol was?

Posted by: dorien Nov 28th 2004, 12:20 PM

I was being sarcastic.

It?s reasonable to assume that the entire Atlantis team, military and civilian, attended numerous briefings on a wide range of topics before their departure. Security would definitely have been discussed. These two obviously missed that one or weren?t paying attention. Cannon fodder.

Posted by: Dafmeister Dec 14th 2004, 5:13 PM

Excellent episode. I was expecting the Wraith to move in. Didnt expect it to be the Genii. Cant wait for the second part next week. Love the rivalry between McKay and the Czech scientist.

Ive got a minor nitpick though. If the lightning is used to power the shields, how does the lightning get throught the shields to the conductors after the shields have been activated.

Posted by: Child of the gods Dec 14th 2004, 5:20 PM

Interesting nit-pick Dafmeister.... interesting....

Anywho, this was better than the episode of SG1(811) that aired tonight. It helped progress the story and line it up, to be tied in with sg1....
Only major fault, Ever seen Die Hard 1? The whole plot. Big building taken hostage, one macho man has to free the prisoners and kill the bad guy. Notice how the leader of the invading force even sounds Foreign,,... like russian?

EDIT: just noticed some other folks mentioned the die hard resemblence...
Last thing, anyone else find them selves telling the invader to kill weir

Posted by: spacekid Dec 15th 2004, 8:42 AM

Yeah i thought shoot weir shoot her as well!
got to admit i did like the scenes with Mackay and the Czech scientist when they where explaining the storm to the atlantas staff Mackay went over the surface while the czech went to go into detail but Mackay replied "As i said boring"
the bit where they where discussing how they could save atlantas was funny
Mackay with the lightening bit then there faces just smiled.
Got to feel a bit sorry for Mackay thou sliced in the arm.

also really liked the bit when Mackay told them where the grounders are getting Sheppard to walk all that distabce while Mackay and Weir only had to walk a small distance?

Then when sheppard told Mackay wthat he was at th first grounder only to discover that Weir and Mackay had finished?

also recognis3ed the die hard similarities straight away Just waiting for the How can the same sh.. and the wroing gay in the wrong place at the wrong time now

Posted by: The Doctor Dec 15th 2004, 12:24 PM

It took me a while to work ut who the commander wa. Like Gemini, some but little humor. I like the power dialect andpredict a stick fight between Teyla and Sora. my friend said it was slow, nd I am inclinedto see his point.

Posted by: 38 Minutes Dec 16th 2004, 11:59 AM

Great plot, wasnt Teyla and Soras fight in the Eye?. At the ending it was obvious that he wasnt going to shoot Wier.

Posted by: Dafmeister Dec 16th 2004, 12:29 PM

Posted by: invisible painting Dec 16th 2004, 8:28 PM

EDIT: One thing about shows like this is that they dont get rid of their main cast half way throught the season, its a stupid idea hence why they didnt do it and shows dont do it in general, ok they did it in angel but thats besides the point, which is why they didnt do it now. its understandable,
I liked the episode it was a good episode, part 2 will be great.
And would people stop posting spoilers for part 2 in this thread, its getting annoying.

8/10, though, i also cant really see how they can get out of this one, but obviously they will somehow. I also liked how ta the end the camera zoomed out of atlantis and the words "To be continued" came up, that was good.

Posted by: stargatesweetie Dec 17th 2004, 11:20 AM

I really enjoyed this episode, curse that " to be continued" message!
Whilst I can see the "Die Hard" similarities I am looking foward to the Genii getting their comeupance, no doubt via the conductivity of the corridors and the storm.

Posted by: ali Dec 17th 2004, 4:41 PM

Cool episode. It was a bit low on humour but the bit between Mckay and Sheppard was very funny.

Mckay: Despite what you might think, I am not Superman!
Sheppard:...did anyone seriously think that?

I really don't like the Genii though. I mean obviously I'm not going to like them, but as an 'evil' race, I can't really take them seriously. I expect them to come through the gate chewin' corn or something. Though the way they came through and just shot those two guys was quite dark.
As we have had some dark stuff on SGA previously, I would have though they would have shown Mckay actually being tortured. I did actually feel quite sorry for the guy.

I think I actually yelled at the TV when it said "to be continued". Obviously Elizabeth is not going to get shot, but still, I absolutely hate cliffhangers. A week seems like so long to wait on a Tuesday night!

Posted by: ftt Jan 5th 2005, 1:30 PM

i liked the acting in this episode alot the story was good too

Posted by: BrandonTheGreat Jan 13th 2005, 9:41 PM

The Genii had to strike back, but see how bad the Samarians are. If it wasn't for them, Atlantis would have never been attacked. This episode is nothing without its second part.

Posted by: Christy Apr 9th 2005, 6:34 PM

Lost killed off one of their chracters during the first season.
But shows usually only kill off characters when they need something to happen...a storyline to develop from that death but in Atlantis it's people we don't know who die and so there can't really be a storyline to develop from it...but it's sad isnt it...when a minor character dies on Atlantis there is no funeral, no memorial, no service to say goodbye but when a major character dies you see all the pain (sometimes)

I think the Genii are a good race, they have some strong points but we havent really learnt a lot about them and i think it may have been better if we knew a bit more about them...we already know why they have gone into Atlantis but i would have preferred to know a bit more about why they do the things they do.

Posted by: General Jen May 20th 2005, 1:56 AM

I really liked this episode

i don't think mcay was a wuss for telling the genii what they needed to know because they hurt him bad, how would you all like it if you arm was cut up with that nasty looking knife and then someone kept pushing onto the wound!.


hope they finish it well.it sucks when shows do the first part really well and set up a good story but stuff it all up in the second part

carson sooo gonna fly the jumper to rescue them you just know it.

i hope the genii get whats coming to them, one word - KARMA

looking forward to part 2

Posted by: Christy Jun 2nd 2005, 10:03 PM

Im just glad Beckett was flying...gives him something else to do and adds him to the storyline...even if it is just for a bit.
I, too, hate it when they do a great part 1 but then part 2 lacks something.

Posted by: stargate_addict Aug 20th 2005, 9:43 PM

Great episode but i HATE cliffhangers, and the windmell idea was a great one.

Posted by: blackbelt83 Jan 30th 2006, 1:14 AM

why dint mackay,tayla and becket fly into space it probablly would have been safer that siting on the island? jus hang out untill it calmed down

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Jan 30th 2006, 8:24 AM

Because they were trying to gather up the locals, to protect them. then the storm hit, so they couldn't fly anywhere let alone into space. Had you watch this episode, this would have been explained.

Posted by: blackbelt83 Jan 31st 2006, 2:50 AM

They picked up all the locals befor the storm really hit the was some wind but they could have made it into space at least. they would have been safer hanging out there then on the land anyway

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