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Stargate Information Archive _ Atlantis Season 3 _ 307 - Common Ground
Posted by: Arcady Aug 20th 2006, 10:46 PM
Posted by: Romestar Aug 25th 2006, 10:00 PM
I really liked this episode, I liked how you didn't know what the wraith was going to do to Shepard.
Posted by: JTMAG1 Aug 25th 2006, 10:05 PM
I really liked this episode, I liked how you didn't know what the wraith was going to do to Shepard.
I saw that coming from mile away. I thought it was going to happen inside the cell.
The difference in size between Ronan and Ladin was huge. It was like Ladin was a little kid.
Horraaaayyyyy for the return of the black leather Jacket.
I thought this was a good. i like the way they are humanizing the wraith a lot. I also liked the way Sheppard threw the hell outta that knife while they were escaping. It was very Arnold/Stallone like.
Time to watch sg1 again...
Posted by: Lisa Aug 25th 2006, 10:40 PM
I forsaw this episode becoming the "Sheppard Show" again...but it didn't. Which I loved.
And it was fantastic to see Sheppard telling the Wraith to shut the hell up...what great acting on Joe Flannigan's behalf. Bless him.
I saw the Wraith giving him back his life from a mile away. I kinda figured that stargate Atlantis wasn't gonna continue with Sheppard being a million years old. And I knew the wraith was going to feed on him again outside the cell.
Well, other than a few predictable moments...this was a well written and well acted episode. It was really good, and I enjoyed watching it.
Posted by: Gate Jumper Aug 25th 2006, 10:57 PM
Horraaaayyyyy for the return of the black leather Jacket.
I think the Jacket is Sheppard's way of sticking out more in the show like how Ronon has his own leather coat thing, hes the only one we've seen wearing one so?
Good Ep, I didnt see that part where he fed on Sheppard the last time coming, I was thinking Sheppard would get better, since he wouldnt go the rest of the season looking like a raisin but it was cool how the Wraith gave his youth back, I kind of suspected that would happen too.
It'll be cool to see their interaction when they meet again, whenever?
Posted by: Laitaine Aug 25th 2006, 11:25 PM
I'm a sucker for torture sequences. (No offense or anything...I'm completely against the use of torture, but I enjoy character building that arises from it and I love it when actors can play it really well.)
Boooooo for the leather jacket. It just reminds me of the Greasers in Grease.
All together, though? This episode was pretty awesome. I personally would have handed over that Ladin guy. Since when have the Gen'i (the spelling is probably wrong, I apologize) ever done something good for us? They only bring trouble and what do we really gain from an alliance with them?
That was AWESOME with Mr. Wraith and John being in cells right next to each other. This was an awesome decision by the writers. I didn't guess it the first time...but the second time when Mr. Wraith started talking creepy...I was like...wtf?
Anyway, brilliant acting on behalf of Joe Flannigan and the actor who played Mr. Wraith. I knew something had to happen with John being returned to normal age (that's way too much make-up and money to keep him looking old. Plus, the show would lose an awesome character.) But, to be honest, I didn't see the Wraith giving him his life back. I certainly thought the Wraith wouldn't feed on him until he was O'Neill from 'Brief Candle'.
I really hope we see this particular Wraith again. I think the two share a bond (although I think Shepperd wouldn't hesitate to kill him in the future.) The more I think about this, the more I start to feel sympathy for the Wraith...which is awesome writing. The more we know about the Wraith, the more scary it is to see the similarities between Wraith and Humans.
Posted by: Natoma Aug 25th 2006, 11:40 PM
Absolutely agreed. I have nothing bad to say about this episode. No nitpicks, not plotholes. Just riveting television.
Fantastic.
Posted by: Aazadan Aug 26th 2006, 12:38 AM
Great episode, overall sga has just been excellent this season.
Posted by: sherryw Aug 26th 2006, 1:06 AM
OMG that episode so rocked.
The actor that played the Wraith is Christopher Heyerdahl, he plays Halling on Atlantis sometimes. He was awesome.
I would have to give the writer's two thumbs way up on this episode.
Posted by: Revan Aug 26th 2006, 1:19 AM
I knew as soon as they were outside and the Wraith attacked him, that he was going to give him his life back.
Pretty awesome episode overall. Why is the guy that plays Halling playing Wraith all of a sudden?
'All bets are off'.... nice! 'There is a great deal you do not know about Wraith'.... 
Posted by: IndyJan Aug 26th 2006, 3:47 AM
For the first time, I liked the Atlantis episode more then the SG1 episode.
This one had so much depth. I liked how the Wraith said he had been there for years. They had been starving him. The Wraith and Shep spoke as most prisoners would, even after they knew who and what the other was.
I figured that there had to be something that the Wraith could do because John got fed upon to the point almost like Sumner in season 1. Something had to happen.
The Wraith had begun to give up hope. He was starving. He would die there. Listening to Shep talk about escaping and believing that his people would come, gave the Wraith hope to try and survive.
Once they escaped, I bought them as a team. I bought them working together to survive. Even though I felt that the Wraith giving Shep back his life was kind of a copy out, it didn't bother me. I went with it.
I have been complaining from day one that the Wraith were boring and cliche, nothing to them. They finally have given the Wraith something that makes them interesting. They can give back life to worshippers or to brothers. So Shep is a brother, yet, if they meet again, all bets are off, or are they?
On a side note, I loved Ronon's expression when they were going to go and rescue Shep, and Weir said, "If you find Koyla........."Ronon smiled and said, "no promises."
Posted by: youngjediboy Aug 26th 2006, 4:31 AM
I'm SO glad they finally gave the Wraith some more dimension than them simply being all evil...
I would REALLY love to see this Wraith meeting Michael... 
Posted by: Ziu Aug 26th 2006, 5:13 AM
Finally an episode that was not a re-hash of an old SG-1 storyline.
I also liked the way they made the Wraith less monstrous.
Posted by: KillerMarv Aug 26th 2006, 7:49 AM
I knew as soon as they were outside and the Wraith attacked him, that he was going to give him his life back.
Pretty awesome episode overall. Why is the guy that plays Halling playing Wraith all of a sudden?
'All bets are off'.... nice! 'There is a great deal you do not know about Wraith'....
Oh yeah, me too... I mean, Sheppard was looking so old... there was no other way for him to return to his charming self then for the Wraith to give his life back.
A very nice episode... Kolya makes good episodes for Atlantis. Can't wait for his return...
Heh, McKay's little scenes (the first with him briefing the team just like a military guy, and the second with the mouse) were just wonderful... I can't imagine an episode without him.
Posted by: Remco Aug 26th 2006, 9:13 AM
Great episode!
Posted by: ancient01 Aug 26th 2006, 9:29 AM
I liked this one, too. The life energy "re-supply" was kinda easy to see comming, but it wasn't a bad way to show it. Thumbs up on this one...
Posted by: Ryu Aug 26th 2006, 10:30 AM
Great show. I always hoped they would do a show like this one. I'm about 50/50 that they will meet again in a future episode. If they do, it should be interesting. I hope it doesn't happen for awhile though, atleast 4 episodes.
Posted by: Ryu Aug 26th 2006, 10:30 AM
Great show. I always hoped they would do a show like this one. I'm about 50/50 that they will meet again in a future episode. If they do, it should be interesting. I hope it doesn't happen for awhile though, atleast 4 episodes.
Posted by: fan_83 Aug 26th 2006, 10:51 AM
got a query.. i though that the receiving end of the gate is able to see the address of the sender or is it just my bad memory.
i thought that when you dial a gate the receiving gate will light up symbols according to the address of the sender.
also shouldn;t it be easier to find out where shepard is, i mean they got the last 50 addresses that was dialed i would assume in chronological order. all htey had to do was to backtrack...
Posted by: ALIEN_JL Aug 26th 2006, 11:07 AM
I didn't have too high hopes for this episode... But it turn out to be a positive surprise 
Posted by: Sighfienerd Aug 26th 2006, 11:20 AM
I thought this episode was really good too. I liked seeing steel and strength behind Sheppard's flip sense of humor. I liked that he wouldn't give up, or let the Wraith give up. It shows a measure of his character that he was able to rise above the fact that the Wraith had, in essence, mortally wounded him. Thumbs up, Shep - and you don't look half bad as an old guy either. 
However, I failed to see that a case was made for Weir to not hand over Ladin in exchange for Shep. Big deal if that how we do it on Earth. Who cares? They're nowhere near Earth, and as Shep would say, that makes all bets off. What has Ladin ever done for them? Basically, all they know about him is that he was a traitor. They should have handed him over on a plate, with a side of fries.
Also, I thought the Wraith was cool. Who knew they could have a sense of humor and honor? Ronin was a bit over the top as usual, though I liked the fact that he's warmed up enought to overtly call Sheppard a friend. It was a little different from his usual noncommital exterior. He's tall! 
Posted by: tauri129 Aug 26th 2006, 11:36 AM
THAT was an episode. i loved the team dynamic when the genii guy came to atlantis and ronan's all up in his face, and teyla and rodney were just restraining themselves. i also loved when rodney gives that pep talk and carsons like "rodney...WHAT are you on about?" and when rodney goes "we just wasted 2 and a half hours....and a mouse" i didnt see the whole wraith giving back sheppherd back his life coming, and i thought it was a great way to end the ep with "there is much you do not kow about wraith" and then sheppherd later saying "well there is much you do not know about humans". i really hope they bring this wraith back later in the season.
the next ep doesnt look so great but this one was a surprise so maybe theres hope...
btw did ronan have a new jacket in this ep? it looked different to me
Posted by: JinxY Aug 26th 2006, 12:19 PM
When I saw the wraith feeding on Sheppard and he turned old and grey I was like NO WAY!! There's got to be something that'll make him young again 
I never though the wraith would keep his end of the deal or that he will save his live.
I liked how Weir did things HER way and kept a clear mind while Sheppard was being tortured in front of them. However she took a big risk with Landen (hope I got his name right)..... I would have at least send Ronan back with him, just to make sure. 
Loved how they made the wraith again look like the bad guys with a noble cause... if you're starving you have to eat... I'm pretty sure this one never cared about his victims ever suffering before but all those years alone in jail with no food made him see things in a different way. It's interesting how close they are to humans in some ways
Posted by: Laitaine Aug 26th 2006, 12:36 PM
I agree. Wasn't there an Atlantis Episode where they were able to see who dialed in? Or an SG-1 episode? Or maybe it was just the fact that they had to be on the world to see where the gate dialed...can anyone clear this one up?
Posted by: toolazytothinkofanoriginalname Aug 26th 2006, 12:38 PM
excelent episode, it was a very nice turn around, especially after last weeks episode
this episode proves that the wraith are not evil by nature, but simply from our point of view they are (obviously, because they eat humans). they obviously care about loyalty, and stick to their word
i thought shepard was gonna offer the wraith to turn him into a human though, im supprised they didnt[s]
Posted by: jacksworld Aug 26th 2006, 12:54 PM
I liked this episode. I thought it was great. I knew that the wraith would give sheppard his life back. As soon as that happened i was like "damn i watch to much sci fi" haha....it was so predictable to me. But i really liked it though. It showed some things about the wraith and and perhaps it could lead to some kind of friendship in the far future or something.
Posted by: Ryu Aug 26th 2006, 1:01 PM
When I saw the wraith feeding on Sheppard and he turned old and grey I was like NO WAY!! There's got to be something that'll make him young again
I never though the wraith would keep his end of the deal or that he will save his live.I liked how Weir did things HER way and kept a clear mind while Sheppard was being tortured in front of them. However she took a big risk with Landen (hope I got his name right)..... I would have at least send Ronan back with him, just to make sure.
Loved how they made the wraith again look like the bad guys with a noble cause... if you're starving you have to eat... I'm pretty sure this one never cared about his victims ever suffering before but all those years alone in jail with no food made him see things in a different way. It's interesting how close they are to humans in some ways
Ronin would of done something stupid if he went with Landen alone.. You know him.
Posted by: Lisa Aug 26th 2006, 3:52 PM
Loved how they made the wraith again look like the bad guys with a noble cause... if you're starving you have to eat... I'm pretty sure this one never cared about his victims ever suffering before but all those years alone in jail with no food made him see things in a different way. It's interesting how close they are to humans in some ways
I think because this wraith was tortured to total weakness...we were able to see the human-side come out. This was a unique opprotunity for the Atlantis expedition. Usually the Wraith are strong and feed without much thought. It's interesting to see that when they are weak from not feeding, that they are capable of honor and understanding and compassion (to a degree). I knew I liked the Wraith. I always tend to sympathize with the guys who have to do something bad to live. They can't help it.
Posted by: KillerMarv Aug 26th 2006, 4:20 PM
I think because this wraith was tortured to total weakness...we were able to see the human-side come out. This was a unique opprotunity for the Atlantis expedition. Usually the Wraith are strong and feed without much thought. It's interesting to see that when they are weak from not feeding, that they are capable of honor and understanding and compassion (to a degree). I knew I liked the Wraith. I always tend to sympathize with the guys who have to do something bad to live. They can't help it.
Sorry, Lisa, but I have to disagree. In episode The Defiant One, that Wraith was stuck on that planet for 10,000 years without any viable sources of food. He didn't show any sympathy or compassion for Sheppard and his team. This Wraith was just of a different personality. He knew that he was too weak to be able to escape alone, and he also knew that he can always give back the life he takes. He also felt the strength Sheppard had (he mentioned that once), that is probably why he cared more about his pray than usual. But now that they both escaped, going separate ways, "all bets are off".
Posted by: Reignfire Aug 26th 2006, 4:23 PM
Well I seem to be the only one, but Ronan was getting on my nerves after Ladin came through the gate. I was expecting Weir to tell him to shut up or leave, but instead she keeps putting up with his comments until she finally goes to her office with Ladin.
Posted by: KillerMarv Aug 26th 2006, 4:26 PM
Well I seem to be the only one, but Ronan was getting on my nerves after Ladin came through the gate. I was expecting Weir to tell him to shut up or leave, but instead she keeps putting up with his comments until she finally goes to her office with Ladin.
Well, this is not the first time Ronon does this. I though he only hated the Wraith (he always showed his hatered towards Michael), and he is very unstable when it comes to having a hostage, or trying to negociate a problem. Strong personality isn't always a good thing.
Posted by: sg1JaffaJoo Aug 26th 2006, 6:30 PM
This episode really made me think and anticipate what the wraith was going to do. It was kind of predictable in certain parts though. Like, I knew that the voice in the cell was a wraith before we even saw him. And I knew that Weir wouldn't give up Ladon to Kolya. But we did learn something about the wraith. It's not that they care about their victims, but that they kill more because they have to, though I'm sure they like it when they're not so weak, as this wraith was. I wonder if we'll see him again in the future. Man Shepherd looked kinda freaky being all old and gray. It was weird because his face and front of his neck looked wrinkly and saggy, but the side of his neck looked as young as ever. I saw this when he and the wraith were escaping and he turned his head. 
Posted by: Ancient Kane Aug 26th 2006, 6:35 PM
Whats with the Anti-Rononess. If someone you really liked was taken and tortured because of the mistake someone else made you would all be acting as serious as Ronon. Its only because Elizabeth Weir is one of those non-agressive people that she can handle situations really well. She wasnt chosen to run the SGC on her looks.
Posted by: Ty_dA_maNn58 Aug 26th 2006, 6:53 PM
...I knew that the voice in the cell was a wraith before we even saw him. And I knew that Weir wouldn't give up Ladon to Kolya. But we did learn something about the wraith. It's not that they care about their victims, but that they kill more because they have to, though I'm sure they like it when they're not so weak, as this wraith was. I wonder if we'll see him again in the future. Man Shepherd looked kinda freaky being all old and gray...
Totally agree with that. Just the voice of the guy in the other cell is what gave the wraith away. I knew it was either a wraith or Cyvus Vail (from the show 'angel') And When the wraith said 'there is much about the wraith you do not know' i was hoping for something groundbreaking about the wraith's past or something. Then when he raised his hand above shepard and said it again I instantly knew he was going to restore his health. Which was awesome of course, (i liked the look on rodney's face when he found out) And I like the whole idea that the wraith and humans are seeming a bit more similar. But overall this was a pretty good epsiode.
Posted by: Revan Aug 26th 2006, 8:56 PM
got a query.. i though that the receiving end of the gate is able to see the address of the sender or is it just my bad memory.
i thought that when you dial a gate the receiving gate will light up symbols according to the address of the sender.
also shouldn;t it be easier to find out where shepard is, i mean they got the last 50 addresses that was dialed i would assume in chronological order. all htey had to do was to backtrack...
I agree. Wasn't there an Atlantis Episode where they were able to see who dialed in? Or an SG-1 episode? Or maybe it was just the fact that they had to be on the world to see where the gate dialed...can anyone clear this one up?
Stargates do not have Caller ID...
You cannot see where you are being dialed from, just that you are being dialed.
Posted by: hickeryboy2003 Aug 26th 2006, 9:11 PM
I really enjoyed this episode, I thought it was far superior to the SG-1 equivalent this week.
I didn't totally see the wraith giving Shepard his life back coming, but I had figured out after the first feeding that it was the wraith in the cell next door. I did know that the wraith was going to give Shepard his life back when he fed on two people - taking more than he needed, giving the excess to Shepard, thus restoring him.
This episode was very much character development orientated, whereas SG-1's was mostly visual with some character development from Vala and Adria.
Having seen this episode my mind is far more at ease about the cancellation of SG-1, if Atlantis can continue producing episodes like this, I'm far less concerned about having to rely on it for my weekly fix of escapism.
(First post on here in two and a half years, go me)
Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 26th 2006, 9:19 PM
308 spoiler:
Hey Laitaine what a dumbass jackass stupid move to include a huge spoiler in your post. DO NOT PUT ANYTHING ABOUT FUTURE EPISODES IN THE OPEN. Use spoiler tags. So now I know what happens next week.
All the while I have avoided spoilers.
I loved this episode. It was great. Now if only SGA could continue to be this great. I cannot believe this was an M&M episode!
I love the depth they gave the Wraith because honestly they are not that scary. Now there is an hint that they are more than just the shallow character they have been made to be thus far.
Posted by: Ryu Aug 26th 2006, 9:33 PM
308 spoiler:
Hey Laitaine what a dumbass jackass stupid move to include a huge spoiler in your post. DO NOT PUT ANYTHING ABOUT FUTURE EPISODES IN THE OPEN. Use spoiler tags. So now I know what happens next week.
All the while I have avoided spoilers.
I loved this episode. It was great. Now if only SGA could continue to be this great. I cannot believe this was an M&M episode!
I love the depth they gave the Wraith because honestly they are not that scary. Now there is an hint that they are more than just the shallow character they have been made to be thus far.
He didnt spoil it really boo - thats from the trailer for next week. It played right after the episode ended - and said that. Unless you count trailers as spoilers...?
Posted by: FreshPez Aug 27th 2006, 12:09 AM
Damn, I wanted to make the "no caller ID" line.
Regarding Ronin mouthing off, if Weir didn't want him to do it she would have had him leave. She was letting him be the bad cop.
Regarding handing over Laden, not negotiating with terrorists isn't just a US rule, it's a reasonable one. You can't do it, otherwise people know it works and keep trying it on you.
And there's really no point in handing over Laden at the point where they let him go. If they were going to trade him or torture him they might as well have done it before three wraith feedings on sheppard.
As for the life being given back, I'm embarrassed to see I didn't see it coming. I thought maybe he'd be old for a while, and then the Asurans or someone else would fix him up. Thought maybe we'd get a few scenes of everyone looking horrified, then he's fixed.
So all in all, a great ep. The only stinker this year has been the Lucius ep.
Though I will say that it was a bit of a plot hole to not have the atlantis crew dial in to prevent Kolya's escape. They've known about that trick for at least ten years, come on people!!
Posted by: Force_Hammer Aug 27th 2006, 12:22 AM
Great episode. I wasn't expecting too much from this episode, but it turned out to be a lot better than I anticipated. I really enjoyed the interaction between Sheppard and the Wraith prisoner. When Sheppard started getting old, I never expected that it would be a Wraith that would restore him.
Posted by: LyaOfTheNox Aug 27th 2006, 12:39 AM
wow, so was I one of the only people who didn't see the Wraith-healing thing comming at all? 
When the Wraith fed on Sheppard, I was sure it was a dream the wraith was having. Then when it kept going I was "OMG, WTF?" That was really cool, I never expected the Wraith to be able to give back life
Also, I want to save this space right here for how much I love Robert Davi
Kolya rox my sox!!
Great episode, but I reeeeaaallllly can't wait for the next one (what can I say, I'm a Mckay whore )
Posted by: Sighfienerd Aug 27th 2006, 3:07 AM
Stargates do not have Caller ID...
You cannot see where you are being dialed from, just that you are being dialed.
True, but to qualify that, away teams are given IDCs to identify themselves when dialing in, (though that code doesn't light up on the gate), and anyone else using the gate would be unknown. Maybe that's what they meant?
Posted by: Ziu Aug 27th 2006, 4:07 AM
He didnt spoil it really boo - thats from the trailer for next week. It played right after the episode ended - and said that. Unless you count trailers as spoilers...?
Ryu, trailers/previews are NOT spoilers.
Auntie, what is going on with you lately. Most of your postings are very anti-social. Almost as if somebody else is using your account.
Posted by: kirsti Aug 27th 2006, 5:17 AM
I have to say this was a good episode, Atlantis is getting better as it go's a long.
I always woundered if the wriath could do that, looks like they can after all.
Posted by: startreksuite Aug 27th 2006, 7:02 AM
Excellent episode! I really liked the wraith/Sheppard interraction! I'm sure many people on this forum will have something to say, because they felt the wraith are people too, so to speak! We had a chance to see the wraith as individuals, with real feelings and emotions, not just as life draining vampires! I was totally blown away when the wraith gave Sheppard back his life force, didn't see that coming! 
I hope in some way they meet again, and are able to work together! But it's probably a pipe dream! Rodney was hilarious when he was telling extraction/recon team what to do! I wonder if for a second if they were actually listening to him !:P~ Rodney with a P90! I guess he'd be safer with a wraith stunner! That poor mouse! And Kolya was a jerk! Using Sheppard to get a man who betrayed him! But as Weir said, we don't negotiate with terrorists! 
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Posted by: DrM007 Aug 27th 2006, 8:46 AM
I liked this ep too. When the wraith said that there's much we don't know about wraith I knew he was gonna igve life back to John.
But how would you call that process? If taking energy from somebody is "feeding", what would be giving energy back? "Throwing up"? ...
I too loved McKay's briefing and mouse incident. It just bothered me when everybody else run there and gathered around McKay - very unproffesional, like schoolgirls, not Airforce soldiers...
This giving life back thing somewhat is also a bit dissapointment for me. I think of it as a form of cheating - as time travel is - to patch things when they go too far...
None the less - three thumbs up for this episode...
Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 27th 2006, 8:47 AM
Ryu, trailers/previews are NOT spoilers.
Auntie, what is going on with you lately. Most of your postings are very anti-social. Almost as if somebody else is using your account.
No it is me. I am getting sick and tired of dumbasses and am saying as much!
Feel free to call me a dumbass if I do something worthy of the title!
~~~~~~
It is a spoiler. Does not matter if it is in a trailer or not. That does not mean it is open for discussion. No. I do not do trailers either!
Posted by: KillerMarv Aug 27th 2006, 9:00 AM
Of course trailers are spoilers. Anything that contains images, dialogues and previews from a show or a movie you would like to see is a spoiler, trailers included.
But Auntie, there is a form of spoilers you do... Spoiler Pics...
Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 27th 2006, 9:09 AM
Indeed! Yes I love the picture ones. But never context spoilers.
Ziu the rules for episode discussion section of the forum is NO FUTURE EPISODE may be discuss at anytime unless it is in spoiler tags. That never expires. So you cannot go in to a S1 episode and talk about a S4 epiosde even though S1 was 9 years ago. You must still use spoiler tags. So yes what he did broke the rules. And yes what he did PISSED me off royally. I reported him as well.
He does not have the right to ruin things for others. SO weither it was in the trailer or not does not matter.
Posted by: Ryu Aug 27th 2006, 9:12 AM
Indeed! Yes I love the picture ones. But never context spoilers.
Ziu the rules for episode discussion section of the forum is NO FUTURE EPISODE may be discuss at anytime unless it is in spoiler tags. That never expires. So you cannot go in to a S1 episode and talk about a S4 epiosde even though S1 was 9 years ago. You must still use spoiler tags. So yes what he did broke the rules. And yes what he did PISSED me off royally. I reported him as well.
He does not have the right to ruin things for others. SO weither it was in the trailer or not does not matter.
Hmm.. Interesting.. Almost as interesting as your Teal'c, Daniel, Jack threeway quote.
Posted by: Laitaine Aug 27th 2006, 10:51 AM
I'm gonna go ahead and apologize. *slaps self* I'm just a stupid n00b, what can I say? It won't happen again.
Posted by: KillerMarv Aug 27th 2006, 11:00 AM
I'm gonna go ahead and apologize. *slaps self* I'm just a stupid n00b, what can I say? It won't happen again.
Don't worry... I'm certain Auntie can forgive you. I certainly would.
Posted by: Sylver Aug 27th 2006, 11:11 AM
What a great episode! I, too, was afraid that this was going to be a ?John Sheppard Show? but was pleasantly surprised. I don?t think that with the amount of life-energy the Wraith drained from him that Sheppard would be strong enough to fight like that, but?*shrug* Also, it was fairly predictable that Sheppard wasn?t going to die, but I wasn?t sure how the Wraith was going to do it. (As it turned out, almost like a vampire turning someone, but without all the side-effects.) I knew Beckett couldn?t have, but you never know with these writers.
The Wraith?s ?There is a great deal you don?t know about the Wraith? was great, and so very true. I?d have enjoyed seeing this in S2, because it?s what I?ve been waiting for since the introduction of them in the pilot. There *is* so much we don?t know about the Wraith that, as the biggest threat, we should.
As the starving victim who no doubt had a lot of time to contemplate his circumstances, it?s amazing that he came to the conclusions he did. Kill the Genii, but not Sheppard because they needed each other. Revenge against those who actually did this to him, not the one being who helped him escape.
I wonder, though?will the Wraith really accept him back to the fold after so long? More we don?t know about them.
But what I really liked was Ronon and Teyla?s incredulousness over the Wraith giving life back. It?s clearly something none of their people know, and I?m sure a closely guarded Wraith secret. Who?d want this getting out? They?d have people lining up outside their ships offering to worship them just for the chance at life again.
The best line (other than ?There is a great deal you don?t know about the Wraith?, making this the 2nd best, I guess) is when the Wraith (give them names, please!) says that ?the gift of life is reserved for our most devout followers?and our brothers.? Reminded me of a Native American Blood Brother; the sharing of life (taking and returning in this case for a noble cause and a great necessity) is pretty powerful, and not something easily done on the Wraith?s part. He took more than he needed from his Genii captors so he could return life to Sheppard.
It showed a huge depth to the character, not just as a life-sucking vampire, but as one who remembers, or more importantly has *learned*, the value of friendship. Keeping promises never seemed to me a Wraith thing until this episode, and I?d love to see more of the inner workings of their society.
I loved the Ronon intimidation scenes; they were just funny because of the difference in height and the look on Landen?s face ? priceless. Landen?s comment about ?his good friend Ronon there? was right on. It also showed, without words that probably wouldn?t work in Ronon?s case anyway, the depth of feeling he has for his new friends. They?re his family now, more than his team. He?d do anything for them.
Also, McKay, whom I adore, was great ? ?Let me rephrase that question? and ?Oh, it was, um?a mouse. Rat, really, very large rodent like?maybe a rabbit?? lol, great.
Posted by: Siderius Aug 27th 2006, 12:16 PM
I was under the impression that the wraith couldnt feed on Sheperd after the Bug incident in one of the earlier episodes...
Posted by: stalker0 Aug 27th 2006, 12:17 PM
I will admit, after the first feeding I thought they were going to give him his life back, but I was unsure. I could see the old, "Maybe people can recover after being fed upon." or even "Sheppard is still in good shape, but now is a living reminder of what the wraith can do."
But yeah after the second feeding it was so very obvious:)
But all in all, great episode.
Posted by: Revan Aug 27th 2006, 1:17 PM
Indeed! Yes I love the picture ones. But never context spoilers.
Ziu the rules for episode discussion section of the forum is NO FUTURE EPISODE may be discuss at anytime unless it is in spoiler tags. That never expires. So you cannot go in to a S1 episode and talk about a S4 epiosde even though S1 was 9 years ago. You must still use spoiler tags. So yes what he did broke the rules. And yes what he did PISSED me off royally. I reported him as well.
He does not have the right to ruin things for others. SO weither it was in the trailer or not does not matter.
I deleted that post.
Never discuss anything from a future episode without labeled spoiler tags. Don't discuss things from other seasons either... because we don't really know who has seen what. Better safe than sorry.... if you are unsure, use spoiler tags.
I was under the impression that the wraith couldnt feed on Sheperd after the Bug incident in one of the earlier episodes...
Why were you under that impression?
Posted by: Sibylle Aug 27th 2006, 1:23 PM
Nice epp. Really loved McKay speaking to the attack-force I hoped he'd take the lead, but instead it was potatohead Ronan.
Man i hate that guy, the way he gets agressive on every occasion, no respect no thinking just get angry.....blegh.
Better than Tayla though, lal i forgot her name 
Tayla reminds me of raisons in a badly baked cake. They look dilicious at first, tastes great! But if the cake is badly baked, you won't notice them being in there.
(hope that was correct English)
Posted by: Lisa Aug 27th 2006, 1:53 PM
Hahah....I love how defensive everyone is on the site.
I hate it when noobs discuss Stagate.
Good thing this isn't one of those sites.
Posted by: Ryu Aug 27th 2006, 3:38 PM
Nice epp. Really loved McKay speaking to the attack-force
I hoped he'd take the lead, but instead it was potatohead Ronan.Man i hate that guy, the way he gets agressive on every occasion, no respect no thinking just get angry.....blegh.
Better than Tayla though, lal i forgot her name
Tayla reminds me of raisons in a badly baked cake. They look dilicious at first, tastes great! But if the cake is badly baked, you won't notice them being in there.
(hope that was correct English)
Posted by: sg1JaffaJoo Aug 27th 2006, 4:10 PM
Totally agree with that. Just the voice of the guy in the other cell is what gave the wraith away. I knew it was either a wraith or Cyvus Vail (from the show 'angel')
And I like the whole idea that the wraith and humans are seeming a bit more similar. But overall this was a pretty good epsiode.
Well, he did have a wraith-like voice. Yeah, it's good to see that there are some common things between wraith and humans. Just like the episode title says "common ground"
I liked this ep too. When the wraith said that there's much we don't know about wraith I knew he was gonna igve life back to John.
But how would you call that process? If taking energy from somebody is "feeding", what would be giving energy back? "Throwing up"? ...
good one. Not sure, but they'll probably think of a name for it. Or else they'll just call it "unfeeding" or "giving life back" I dunno.EDIT: This is my 200th post.
Posted by: Ancient Kane Aug 27th 2006, 5:33 PM
"Next time we meet, all bets are off"
Great line.
That bit at the end where he goes, "Next time Kolya(spelt right?) im gona shoot you on site. And you see Kolya like shaking his head. That was a great.
Posted by: Revan Aug 27th 2006, 6:30 PM
"Next time we meet, all bets are off"
Great line.
That bit at the end where he goes, "Next time Kolya(spelt right?) im gona shoot you on site. And you see Kolya like shaking his head. That was a great.
I thought Kolya looked scared or worried. He had just lost all of his men...
Posted by: QtombeD Aug 27th 2006, 6:54 PM
Awsome hail the writers and actors of this episode
The way Sheppard was healed well they gave away to much hints.... I thought the Wraith would do the healing..... it but I hoped he would get healed over time in Atlantis and while doing that they gained another weapon against the Wraith.... oh well just wishfull thinking.....
I hope they don't let Kolya live to long.... it's about time to give him one two hrs. special and let him die......
Posted by: dr lee Aug 27th 2006, 7:00 PM
It was a shame that they use the Halling actor to play this wraith. The wraith was too 'Halling' in his long talks for my liking. That being said the Wraith was done brilliantly.
How much of his character was down to being in that cell for years or down to taking sheps force from him, He said about feeling his strength but maybe he wasn't just talking aobut physical but mental also
MaKay was great as well, I loved his speach to the Marines and thumbs up for Wier and then emptying a clip into a small defenceless mouse on that planet .
Ronon was slightly over the top for me, yes his friend had been kidnapped and fed apon by a wraith in front of his eyes but still....
Did i see M&M's names being credited for this one? If so then what the hell has happened to them? Someone must have slipped them both a 'good script writing' pill or two. Kinda makes me less nervous in watching any of their upcoming episodes.
Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 27th 2006, 7:09 PM
I'm gonna go ahead and apologize. *slaps self* I'm just a stupid n00b, what can I say? It won't happen again.
Indeed. You are not a n00b just a newbie. It is my fault. I did not realize you were so very new. I try to be very patient with newbies. I appologize. All if forgiven.
Don't worry... I'm certain Auntie can forgive you. I certainly would.
I have and you would my friend!
Posted by: sherryw Aug 27th 2006, 10:12 PM
The only thing I hope is that the writers show Sheppard having some ramifications from his ordeal, nothing over the top or anything.
Posted by: Revan Aug 27th 2006, 10:35 PM
The only thing I hope is that the writers show Sheppard having some ramifications from his ordeal, nothing over the top or anything.
You really don't need spoilers in this instance. You are discussing the episode that this topic is about.
Posted by: Jade Aug 28th 2006, 8:21 AM
Watch the last 3 episode back to back. This one is pretty good.
Knew John would be ok, that was predictable, so now we all know that feeding process is reversible, you would think the Acients, might know that and left some info in the database?
I like it the fact that Weir did not negotiate, knowing at that time John will die painfully and slowly. Now JS just need to get really young to parallel Jack O'Neill's life
One last thing, did anyone think Ronin was a bit Over-acting when he approach Lalin asking about Sheppard, I mean he looked like it he care about he more than anything, abit too attached? or maybe bad acting?
Posted by: sg1JaffaJoo Aug 28th 2006, 12:07 PM
One last thing, did anyone think Ronin was a bit Over-acting when he approach Lalin asking about Sheppard, I mean he looked like it he care about he more than anything, abit too attached? or maybe bad acting?
That's a good question. I thought the same thing. He seemed to be really protective of Sheppard or something. Or else he was just really suspicious of Ladon since he used to 'work' with Kolya. Either way, I don't understand that part either. Sometimes his behavior gets on my nerves. I guess he's used to getting what he wants through intimidation.
Posted by: FrankM Aug 28th 2006, 12:56 PM
I can't believe it but I'm actually starting to feel some sympathy for the Wraith. Afterall they only feed to live. Yes, I would not want to be feed on and yes I think by and large they are evil but mostly they just feed to live. I can't believe Kolya did that to Sheppard. Damn. But then again I was expecting Sheppard to say to the Wraith ... go a head and feed on any of the Genii you want here, especially Kolya. That Wraith needed to feed on Kolya, that's what I was hoping for.
GREAT EPISODE !!!!!!!
SHEPPARD: I'm gonna go with both.
VOICE: There is a difference. The Wraith must feed in order to live.
Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 28th 2006, 12:58 PM
Ronin is secretly in love with Shep and sometimes it bleeds through to the surface. He struggles to keep it out of site but times like these where Shep life is in jeopardy Ronin has trouble! 
Posted by: Revan Aug 28th 2006, 1:29 PM
Watch the last 3 episode back to back. This one is pretty good.
Knew John would be ok, that was predictable, so now we all know that feeding process is reversible, you would think the Acients, might know that and left some info in the database?
I like it the fact that Weir did not negotiate, knowing at that time John will die painfully and slowly. Now JS just need to get really young to parallel Jack O'Neill's life
One last thing, did anyone think Ronin was a bit Over-acting when he approach Lalin asking about Sheppard, I mean he looked like it he care about he more than anything, abit too attached? or maybe bad acting?
I doubt the Ancients knew about it.
Ronin is going way overboard trying to come across as a hard-ass.
It is excessive... he just gets mad, at everything....I am happy we are seeing more of the complexity of Wraith culture. Complexity makes me happy.
Posted by: Lisa Aug 28th 2006, 4:20 PM
Ronin is going way overboard trying to come across as a hard-ass.
It is excessive... he just gets mad, at everything....Awww. I love Ronan. Seriously. I feel like his characters is so awesome for the show. I didn't mind him wanting to know where Sheppard was. I mean, if I were Ronan, I'd be doing the same thing. It's not like he knows any better. I hate how Weir held him back. I kinda wanted Ronan to let out some woop-ass on the Genii. Stupid people.
And, yeah...he does seem especially defensive with Sheppard...which is how slash fantasies are born...
Posted by: startreksuite Aug 28th 2006, 8:29 PM
Ronin is secretly in love with Shep and sometimes it bleeds through to the surface. He struggles to keep it out of site but times like these where Shep life is in jeopardy Ronin has trouble!
I'm guessing you are a slash fanfic fan, am I right?
Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 28th 2006, 8:42 PM
I'm guessing you are a slash fanfic fan, am I right?
Yes. As my signature also indicates. However, it is all Xay, Wonders and Mags fault. I was straight until they corrupted my innocence!
Posted by: startreksuite Aug 28th 2006, 8:50 PM
Yes. As my signature also indicates. However, it is all Xay, Wonders and Mags fault. I was straight until they corrupted my innocence!
I've heard some slash is written better than het. Not that I would read it
Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 28th 2006, 8:55 PM
You should try Wonders writings. There are lots and lots of slash stuff in the slash section of the forum. Just because you like slash does not mean you are gay. I love it and I am not gay.
This episode just shows how much Ronan loves Shep! Sure, sure as a brother in arms but perhaps with a touch of sexual love as well!
Posted by: kordone Aug 28th 2006, 10:44 PM
Posted by: ted_simple Aug 29th 2006, 11:09 AM
That was....amazing. The Wraith truly possess mighty powers...........
Posted by: Shifter Aug 31st 2006, 2:26 AM
When the wraith sucked the life out of Sheppard that last time till he was a frail old man my mum said 'bastard!' and when he went on the rampage sucking the life out of all those Genii, she said 'its a shame they cant give back life'. hehe she got a nice surprise at least. I had figured when he took the last lot of life out of him, he was going to use it to kick Genii arse and give it back to him somehow.
Brilliant story. I liked this episode a lot. Perfect 5/5 from me!
Posted by: startreksuite Aug 31st 2006, 6:51 AM
You should try Wonders writings. There are lots and lots of slash stuff in the slash section of the forum. Just because you like slash does not mean you are gay. I love it and I am not gay.
This episode just shows how much Ronan loves Shep! Sure, sure as a brother in arms but perhaps with a touch of sexual love as well!
Easy for you to say! If you read male/male stories and are female that does not make you gay. If I read a story with female/female interactions that would not make me gay. I just would rather read Jack/Sam stories, even though they may not be written as well. Reading an except from Nicci's stories, who does alot of Jack/Daniel stuff, I can see the appeal. My wife, SpaceCadet, reads her stuff as well as other writers, and makes videos for some of the writers. This will be my last post about the subject, so as not to upset the forum discussion. PM or email me and we can continue the discussion!
Posted by: Pitry Sep 2nd 2006, 2:05 PM
have beef only with two things in this episode.
First, "the gift of life". Atlantis has been walking a fine line with the Wraith when it comes to how belivable they are and how scientific that all is. But they've since made attempt to make it a bit more scientific. Comes this episode and in need for a conventient solution to having the life sucked out of Sheppard, comes with one. Completely implausible and silly - and it diminshes the Wraith even more, because if they do decide this isn't magic, the second hte process is reversible it means the team can find the off switch and all point of the Wraith us gone.
The seocnd - why oh why wasn't this episode in season 1?!
Finally, we see the Wraith as more than ridiculous monsters. Finally, they get some character! But it was so much more needed earlier on. True, it proves damages can be fixed - hell, who knows, maybe the damage to Ronon and Teyla isn't irreversible? But it should have come sooner.
Other than that, great episode. I have to say that unlike Torri Higginson who really showed she rocks in The Real World, I'm not too hot on Joe Flanigan's acting - nor the range of the character. But there were some really beautiful moments in there. The one that caught my attention the most was, I suspect, the moment the Wraith feeds on the guard - and Sheppard looks away and doesn't say anything. How that's for revenge on your torturers? Much better than the regular "shoot 'em dead again and again".
I loved the wraith. Completely and utterly. As I siad, much needed developing.
Weir not giving in to Kolya - hooray. Hopefully, LAten (is that his name?) would remember this the next time the Genii are giving us a hard time. This could really develop into a Tok'Ra-esque relationship, which is good. Enough with the double play.
Ronon - okay, they dind't develop him at all this episode,but I enjoyed the touches. Yeah, that little "no promises" smile was lovely. And now I believed the "we help our family" feeling much more than I did in Progeny.
Rodney debriefing the marines - brilliant! ha!
lovely episode.
And I'm gay and I don't like it. ;)
Posted by: Auntie Em! Sep 2nd 2006, 4:40 PM
Oy! YOUR GAY???? NO freakin way Pitry!
How come you don't like slash. It is so much fun.
I do agree with you. The wraith are and always have been a stupid enemy. Finally they got better...they needed to have more character traits so that we could understand them better. That part was good but it was a cheap copout.
Posted by: Pitry Sep 3rd 2006, 3:42 AM
Oy! YOUR GAY???? NO freakin way Pitry!
How come you don't like slash. It is so much fun.
Well, bi's considered gay isn't it... ;)
I don't liek slash for the same reaosn I have a problem with a lot of regular fanfic. The characterisation is waaaay off, for hte most part ;) It's not about the nature of the relationship, it's about forcing characters to say and do things they never would have ;)
It was, it was. Sigh. I kept on hoping they're not going to have a Wraith reverse switch... SIGH! It's not necessarily about understanding - how likely are we to understand a true alien entity? It's about them having some sort of depth. Not being just "monsters", but monsters because". The idea of the Wraith could be a very good one - they're not just evil, that's who they are. They can't help but eat humans. But they never played on that part, other than Instinct and now Common Ground. they kept them two dimensional monsters, and unlike the Orii, they weren't even in the dark so they weren't scary ;)
Posted by: DrM007 Sep 3rd 2006, 12:29 PM
I too liked that scene. I was like: eat this you bastards!
Posted by: Cindy Sep 9th 2006, 2:33 AM
I loved this episode. I knew that the wraith was gonna give him his 'years' back cause Sheppard was NOT gonna go back to Earth to an Old Folks Home. Great acting overall and seeing Kolya again was good but i think he's gonna start annoying me again soon!
Question: Did Weir have a tear in her eye when they were watching John geting fed on?
Posted by: cosmos Sep 12th 2006, 9:32 AM
5/5 Great Episode.
Don't have any serious complains. Funny too. McKay telling the marines off - priceless. McKay justifying why he shot his weapon. " ... more like a rat possibly a rabbit" that was so funny.
That Wraith was very good. Finally we saw some depth into these 'people'.
I hope that he and Shep do meet again further on.
And on that note:
When the episode finished, I thought that it would be cool to see on later episodes Shep to have been affected by this whole sucking-the-life-out-of-him experience in some way (maybe restlessness, nightmares, working too much), some way like that, which a difference becomes apparent to others. I think it adds to realism, even though his health eventually came back to normal.
I also thought that It would be great if they were to make that worse in the episode just before he meets again with that Wraith, hinting towards them being linked in some way after they have shared life energy between them.
Posted by: Gramner Sep 14th 2006, 1:31 PM
One of the best episodes so far.
About ten seconds after the first time we heard the wraith talking, I thought "this is going to be so good if that's a wraith". I was thinking that Sheppard would bond with his cell mate and in the end come to release him after being rescued be the Atlantis crew and only THEN find out that he had bonded with a wraith. But the path the writers chose to take was even better. This way Sheppard bonded with a wraith instead of a supposed human.
Although first creating a demonic evil as an enemy and then beginning to soften and humanize it in small steps is an old trick in writing, it's also extremely efficient when it comes to capturing the viewer. In this episode it was done quite skillfully. Without haste and too much corner-cutting. The wraith are still wraith, but not as wraith as they used to be. I like that.
It was also nice to see that like O'Neill, Sheppard also has some depth beyond his witty, humorous surface. Sometimes you just need some good torture episodes to reveal more dimensions in your characters. Abyss, anyone?
Aside from Sheppard & the wraith, the episode was quite standard quality. The chemistry and interaction between Sheppard and the wraith really made this ep for me. I hope we get to see this kind of stuff more in the future.
Posted by: Dafmeister Nov 29th 2006, 5:20 PM
Even though this was a predictable episode from the start, it wasn't all that bad. What TPTB did with the Wraith was a really good twist but they pretty much ended any possibility of a future storyline by saying that Sheppard would kill the Wraith the next he saw him.
The Sheppard and Kolya arc is getting boring now, all that happens is Kolya captures him, Sheppard manages to escape then Kolya escapes through the Stargate. Kolya was a good character to begin with but now he's just being written the same arcs over and over again.
Posted by: JC1 Dec 6th 2006, 8:44 PM
A good episode. I could see the 'gift of life' thing coming, but Sheppard seemed to really earn the respect of the Wraith, which finally showed there might be more to the Wraith.
Koyla should have realised after the 1st 2 feedings that Weir wasn't going to give up Laden. They writers really should just Koyla and Sheppard fight it out and finish it.
Posted by: cdpage Apr 16th 2007, 10:42 PM
Now that was a much better EP.
yea we saw the so called gift of life coming, but i'm happy to see it.
It changes things.
I personally would liek to see Koyla given up to the waith.
here's an intersting thought.
The goa'uld ( i forget how that's spelt) would kill and revive people for information. What stopping the wraith from doing something similar?
suck most of the life out of a man, and give it back... over and over....i think that would be even worse!
Posted by: Dafmeister Apr 17th 2007, 3:39 AM
here's an intersting thought.
The goa'uld ( i forget how that's spelt) would kill and revive people for information. What stopping the wraith from doing something similar?
suck most of the life out of a man, and give it back... over and over....i think that would be even worse!
Posted by: thefirstone Apr 17th 2007, 10:29 AM
And if they revive the person won't he still be still old and dieing? I doubt a sarcophagus would really be helpful but it would be cool idea if it could make them young again then they wouldn't have worry about going to different planet plus it would make the wraith that bit more freaky.
Posted by: Dafmeister Apr 17th 2007, 12:36 PM
With Sheppard we saw him returned to the age he was at the beginning of the episode but the Wraith had fed on a number of Genii at that point. The one thing we don't know is if they can revive the dead by that method. We know the Wraith can restore life of a person that has been fed on but we don't know if they can return life to a person who has died from the feeding process.
Posted by: thefirstone Apr 17th 2007, 1:29 PM
But maybe with the difficulty of getting to earth because of us, they come up with some sort of Tel'chac device or a cloning machine or anything along those lines.
Posted by: cdpage May 14th 2007, 10:01 PM
I would assume that they are not able to revive from the dead... just make young again. question is, is can they make someone young again that has natually aged?
Posted by: JTMAG1 May 14th 2007, 10:17 PM
I would assume that they are not able to revive from the dead... just make young again. question is, is can they make someone young again that has natually aged?
We've seen other beings with the ability to bring people back to life. It's not too far fetched.
Posted by: Dafmeister May 15th 2007, 5:06 AM
Posted by: bostjan91 Aug 19th 2007, 2:48 PM
Wow.. i was totaly surprised when he did that.
Posted by: Dafmeister Aug 19th 2007, 4:14 PM
I think it was to be expected the Wraith would some how heal him though. I didn't think for one second that Sheppard would remain like that.
Posted by: bostjan91 Aug 20th 2007, 2:22 AM
Well off course he wouldn't remain like that, he's a main actor
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