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Posted by: Arcady Aug 12th 2006, 8:07 PM

Episode 6 - The Real World Air Date: August 18, 2006 Elizabeth Weir wakes up in a mental institution, where she is told that the expedition to Atlantis and the Stargate are figments of her imagination. More info:  Episode Guide  Spoilers  Teaser  Screencaps

Posted by: Romestar Aug 18th 2006, 9:57 PM

I thought this episode reminded me of that horror movie with Halle Berry, can't remember what's called though.

Posted by: toolazytothinkofanoriginalname Aug 18th 2006, 10:01 PM

2 words:

terrible episode

thats all i can think of to say about this

Posted by: Reignfire Aug 18th 2006, 10:15 PM

Gothika

In the end it reminded me of 'New Order' where Fifth made Carter live through an artificial reality.

Posted by: Natoma Aug 18th 2006, 10:25 PM

Can't disagree more. I thought it was absolutely fantastic. Torri Higginson can really act. Even my husband gave her kudos, and he's normally very harsh on actors' performances. If he liked it, you know it's

Posted by: Aquila Aug 18th 2006, 10:26 PM

An opinion or response to this thread that is so lame should have been kept to yourself, no reason to go about frustrating other people who enjoyed it, afterall, in my humble opinion, though it didn't further much storyline-wise, it was a good plot and had a splendid cameo appearance from Ricky D.

Posted by: J&S4Ever Aug 18th 2006, 10:37 PM

This was a pretty good episode when it come to Torri Higginson's acting. I wonder if Niam in orbit was somehow communicating with the nanites he had left in her body.

At least this time it wasn't Rodney who saved the day.

RDA's acting in this one was a little less wooden and actually helped with the storyline. I enjoyed his appeance.

Overall, it was a good episode, but I feel it was a budget saver since there was no offworld mission and very little special effects, but it wasn't as bad as it could have been.

Posted by: Aquila Aug 18th 2006, 10:55 PM

I was thinking the same thing about Niam, afterall, if the others could reprogram him at the distance he was from his planet, I should think he could control his own nanites from orbit.

Heh, he really wanted to take the credit for that one didn't he? Good going, Becket!

Posted by: Gate Jumper Aug 18th 2006, 11:59 PM

How is it that in almost every episode Sheppard is always the one who has a major revelation and figures out the problem of every Ep?

The part where Sheppard says to unconscience Weir about saying something profound was a straight rip-off from Oneill in Sg-1, on the Paltak "Now is the time for me to say something profound." Atlantis rips everything they got from Sg-1,

This just seemed ripped off from Sg-1's Legacy, where Daniel goes crazy and sees the event horizion in his closet, etc. and Wier in this Ep is supposedly crazy and sees the event horizion in her house, RIP OFF, Big rip off!!

Posted by: Revan Aug 19th 2006, 12:03 AM

I agree... Torri Higginson can act!!!!

And finally, an episode where O'Neill wasn't purposely being a dumbass.... now can't he do that more often, and in the real world?

I liked how it was Beckett that came up with the solution to the problem, even though McKay helped out a bit, and then felt compelled to explain it to everybody.

Good character episode!

Posted by: JTMAG1 Aug 19th 2006, 2:16 AM

I liked this ep. Having been in the situation that Weir was in, I honestly think she did a great job with the acting. You can say that this is a rip off of sg1, but name my another successful sci fi show that hasn't done a similar plot.

Posted by: Gate Jumper Aug 19th 2006, 3:15 AM

Well TH's acting was good in this EP, I'll say that. I liked the part where she first tries to escape and gets in a fuss with the one guard and starts kicking things over, the television, that was cool. But it would be nice to see more new ideas rather than old recycled ones, I think the writers are so consumed with their success with Stargate that they've lost their interest in writing good Ep's, its like "oh well we've got this far so writing good Ep's isnt that important" me thinks!

Posted by: KillerMarv Aug 19th 2006, 5:36 AM

This was a masterpiece of acting by Torri IMO... I like how they combined the real world with the nanite world. But, all in all, the episode also reminded me of Legacy, The Changeling and Home. Actually it was kind of like The Changeling, that takes place with an alien race like in Home that makes you have halucinations like Daniel in Legacy. Writers are missing some ideas.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 19th 2006, 6:00 AM

I so agree. She did a masterful job and deserves awards for it. WOW. I was overwhelmed with her acting abilities. Wtf can they not give her more stuff like this. Beautifully done I must say.

This was a great episode even though we did not see much of SGA-1. It was a great character episode. It will change how I preceive her character in the future.

How many of us have had dreams where the people have no faces. Quite scary actually so I love how they incorporated it into the episode. Nicely done as well.

I loved the writing.

Um, that would be because he is way smarter than any of us? His IQ is way over 150. That makes him pretty damn smart in my books. That would make him the perfect person to solve Weirs troubles.

Posted by: DrM007 Aug 19th 2006, 7:22 AM

I liked the episode. But what is this? Is SGA recycling all the cast from Spin City? First Richard Kind in "Irresistable" and now Alan Ruck as the doctor? In his first scene I was like "Go Stuart Bondek" But then he turned out to be bad guy too.
I just can't imagine Michael J. Fox as villain. Well maybe if he played Furling. Shaved one. But I'd like to see Jennifer Esposito if possible as Teyla's cousin or something if that's possible...

Posted by: Sighfienerd Aug 19th 2006, 11:25 AM

Torri did do a very good job in this episode, though I'd like the writers to have explored the symbolism of the "man" or "thing" that kept trying to get at her. What was up with that? The nanites were embodied by the doctor guy (hello, ferris bueller's dorky friend!), so I'd like to know why they repeatedly had a shadowy man (who also growled like an animal) written into the script and then didn't resolve that aspect of what was going on with her character. Didn't it seem kind of like what was the point when there was no resolution or explanation?

Posted by: tauri129 Aug 19th 2006, 11:33 AM

i thought this was a pretty good ep with surprisingly good acting from TH a great jack appearance. i thought the shadowy man was supposed to be sheppherd looking at her through the glass of her quarantine unit thing.

Posted by: Revan Aug 19th 2006, 11:33 AM

It was Sheppard trying to get through to her. The nanites were trying to scare her off that trail though...

Posted by: KillerMarv Aug 19th 2006, 11:43 AM

That kind of sums it up. The sounds and the shadowy man was Sheppard or any other of the others that were standing right next to her bed talking. Her brain could perceive the signals, the nanites were aware of that and were trying to make her really think that those sounds and images are not good, so they added some effects to scare her into not listening and following them.

Also, the nanites were comunicating to her with familiar images, that is why they needed a doctor and a familiar face for the interface; taking the medicine was like accepting their presence and the purpose of the doctor, while seeing a familiar face was kind of like an insurance for her to stay, and the purpose of O'Neill. Like when she was escaping, seeing O'Neill should have lured her away from Sheppard and the real world.

Posted by: Lisa Aug 19th 2006, 11:59 AM

Tori Higginson can act.

There's something new I normally DON'T say. But how could I not after this episode?

Sheppard at the end telling her to "Fight this thing" was a bit cheesey. I mean...significantly cheesy. And it was borderline out-of-character for him to figure out it was a battle of the wills. Weird. But him in the hallway at the SGC telling Weir which way to go was simpley...amazing.

So, pros and cons to the episode.

But that's every episode to Stargate and Atlantis.

Posted by: KillerMarv Aug 19th 2006, 12:10 PM

Yes, it was amazing... but I think he wasn't actually telling her which way to go. Her mind was synthesizing his "you'll know which way to go" words, and making the route as she knew it back when she led the SGC. It was her mind with Sheppard as image telling her which way to go.

Posted by: Laitaine Aug 19th 2006, 1:57 PM

I thought this episode was fantastic. Of course, I love episodes that involve people going crazy....people fighting aliens in their minds...and people having hallucinations. I believe that this makes for great episodes by testing the characters strength. (No doubt that they have done this type of thing before, on SG-1 and SGA. I thought that it had just enough twists to merit it being a great episode, a full three out of five, if not four out of five.)

It was a good episode up until the last 5-10 minutes or so. That's the real reason I wanted to post. I was yelling at the TV when Weir didn't follow Shepperd in the elevator at first, and then the flashed to the three guys running down the hallway. I thought I was going to have a heart attack. (Anytime I yell at the TV, which isn't much, I count it as good writing...because I'm so absorbed into the episode.) And then, at the end, when Shepperd goes into the containment area and grabs her arm, and you could see him in the SGC telling her what was going on. I thought that was bloody fantastic. Excellent writing and excellent acting.

The only thing that seemed a little far-fetched was Shepperd figuring it out. I dunno, it seemed kinda weird. I'm happy it wasn't McKay...but it seemed to come out of no where.

Another thing, I believe there could have been an excellent Weir/Shepperd Shipper moment at the end where Weir could have told Shepperd that she heard him when she was infested by the nanites.

I also think it's weird that Weir didn't recognize the outline of Shepperd. I mean, she's lived with the man for 2+ years. I think you would get used to somebody's outline or whatever. (At least, I tend to do that. I can tell who it is by the way they walk or stand, even if I can't see them.)

Another thing, I really though the episode title was hilarious. When I saw "The Real World" I automatically started saying, "This is the story of eight strangers..." I think that would make a great Real World Season. The people from SG-1 and SGA.

But I thought this was a great episode overall.

Posted by: KillerMarv Aug 19th 2006, 2:34 PM

Well, it's difficult when all of this is a mind game. When you are thinking, your mind deals with things differently than seeing them in real life. She wasn't actually seeing him, her mind was conceiving him when interracting with his voice. So, that is how her mind was playing tricks. The decision to follow your mind while two ideas are in opposition is quite hard. Your mind has to be sure what is the right choice. You see Sheppard or you don't see him, how he looks like, what does he try to tell me, should I follow him or is he part of the scenario...

Posted by: Subfer Aug 19th 2006, 3:37 PM

It was good ep i gave it 4 of 5, nice acting by TH and of course u always gotta love RDA

Thanks for that i couldnt remember where i saw that guy, and i would also like to see JE in future ep, shes hot

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 19th 2006, 4:53 PM

Why is it so hard for people to believe that Shep figured it out? He is a very intelligent man. They have mentioned in the show that he is actually smarter than McKay. McKay was floored when he learned that little tidbit. It ate at his ego.

Posted by: Revan Aug 19th 2006, 4:59 PM

Why don't I remember that specifically?

Sheppard is intelligent, obviously. You have to be pretty smart to run the entire military operation on Atlantis...

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 19th 2006, 5:16 PM

Oh yes, I remember it quite well. Shep and McKay walking with some others. Shep goes on about MENSA and McKay is so totally shocked and so jealous it was priceless!

Posted by: Revan Aug 19th 2006, 5:17 PM

I do vaguely remember that, what ep was it in?

Also, other than Spin City, where have I seen the guy playing the doctor?

OH, Capt. Harriman from the Enterprise B....

Posted by: Sighfienerd Aug 19th 2006, 5:27 PM

That's an interesting thought, but if it was Sheppard why was she so terrified? You would think if he was getting through to her subconsciously, that she would be trying to reach him - not escape him. Were the nanites that intelligent to be able to detect such subtleties? I was thinking the nanites are more like a bacteria that have a specific mission and know how to accomplish it, but nothing else. Also, I thought that the scenario she was enacting was from her own mind - not dreamed up by the nanites?

Posted by: Revan Aug 19th 2006, 5:31 PM

They had to overpower her mind.... erase it, take it over... but her mind was fighting back. So they set up a scenario in which they could force her to give up... to back down.

They were overwriting the images of Shep with scary noises... growling, etc.

Posted by: JTMAG1 Aug 19th 2006, 6:31 PM

I remember that, Shep knew the answer to a tricky question, and Mckay asked, "How did you know that?"
Shep: It was on the MENSA Test.
McKay: you were in MENSA
Shep: No, but I took the test

I don't know the exact words, and for the life of me I can't think of the ep.

EDIT: Slight nitpick here. If the nanites were being controlled remotely, why did they take the form of Niam and not Oberon. Right before she walked through the gate. I imagine when Oberon's body was destroyed in the explosion int he previous ep, they would have recreated him form and let him take another body, since all the individual nanites are linked through the subspace connection, and they were able to rewrite Niam's programing.

May I just watch too much BSG.

Posted by: Force_Hammer Aug 19th 2006, 9:31 PM

When I saw the preview for this episode I thought that it would be pretty bad. However, I felt that it turned out to be pretty good. Torri did an excellent job in this episode.

Posted by: Revan Aug 19th 2006, 9:36 PM

Oberoth got blown up, Niam did not. There was no more Oberoth to control the Nanites, and Niam was in relatively close proximity to them.

Posted by: Ty_dA_maNn58 Aug 19th 2006, 9:37 PM

I didn't even think about Niam in orbit untill you said it. But that could of done something. in the last episode when it showed him, it looked like he moved a bit so I assumed he would be used in a later episode.

And Yes it was awesome to see Carson save the day.

But that aside this is what I thought about the episode.......(I wrote it earlier)

23 minutes. the purpose of a tv show (or a movie) is to make you believe.
In 23 minutes you want me to believe that the last 2 seasons and 5 episodes
did not happen? You want me to believe that I haven't spent 45 hours watching this
show for the last 2 years plus?? come on. It's supposed to be believable. and
it wasn't. There has been more then one of this kind of episode (sg-1 included)
and i absolutely hate them. This kind of plot only works at the beggining of a movie
or show, not the middle. You can't just omit 2 seasons. (maybe one {Dallas})

Forgetting about the realness of the plot, it was at least carried okay. I really
liked the scene when she was playing solitare and the cards showed the gate address
to atlantis. (I think it would of been awesome if when she was in the elevator
that the buttons for the floors were also gate address)
And Dr. Fletcher was good. He was the guy from spin city (very funny) and
the guy on the bus in speed "Of course the police will save us, our taxes pay their
sallary...If we die they will have to take a pay cut." HAHAHA

Posted by: Laitaine Aug 19th 2006, 9:43 PM

Ahh, I had forgotten this until you mentioned it. Kudos to the writers. This was brilliant, and I remember saying that out loud. Of course, how would you play solitare when your cards are chevrons? Maybe the Ancients had a card game with the symbols on the stargate...hmm? That'd be cool.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 20th 2006, 1:35 AM

Ty Da you did not get it.

It was not to make US think that the last 2 years did not happen but for Dr Weir to doubt herself and her sanity as to whether the last 2 years happened. Which they almost succeeded at.

Sigh, that was always Sheppard but as someone else said they tried to mask him by erasing his face, masking his voice, adding scary sounds (most likely things from her own mind that scare her). Yet through all that he was there. Only when most of the nanites had been killed was it quite clear to her who infact that shadowy figure was. Shep!

Posted by: Pitry Aug 20th 2006, 5:59 AM

Ah, that episode was brilliant! I don't usually tend to go that way, but Real World does seem to have earned the "Best Atlantis Episode Ever" title. At least for now.

Torri Higginson was excellent. As much as I usually find Weir annoying as hell, this episode seems to show how underused the character really is. She was compltely awesome.
Jack! Jack Jack Jack. I was surprised at how much he appeared in the episode, I thought he'd be in a much smaller part. Okay, it wasn't the real Jack... and yet. ;)
So Mystery Man was Sheppard - huh, I thought some of the blurred close-ups looked like Niam.

The scene I loved the most - back in the hospital, when she's playing cards (how's that game called in English? It's speed here...) and she's getting the Atlantis address on the cards... that was one brilliant bit.
Also the group session, when she's all patronising about the woman seeing aliens and then the psychologist looks at her in a "look who's talking" and humbling her down. Loved that scene.
And the chatter with Jack of course... *innocent smile* the signing -the -treaty bits were excellent.

I wondered about Simon... interesting that they chose to kill him rather than have him around, but I s'poose he already played his part.

So forget all my complaionings about lack of real character development in Sateda and Progeny. This time I really do feel we've seen sides to Weir that weren't there before. Her acceptence of the cover story, for example. Was she running away from Scary Man or actually buying into their story? Thankfully, also, they gave up the kind of "whta if I told you it's all a dream" speech a-la Mitchell in Collateral Damage. On the contrary - I enjoyed how they refrained form having Weir answer the pyschologist's question when he tells her how ridiculous it all sounds.

That clock - is there something more significant in that? I wonder. Weir seemed pretty stricken to see it, and then playing it afterwards when she's conscious and on Atlantis...

Sheppard - I dunno, I don't mind his figuring it out. I don't see it as him being so overly smart, or whatever - the solution, or at least beginning of the solution, was found by Beckett and McKay (BTW! Ha! McKay picking up the credit for Carson's idea and keeping on interrupting him. I just love these two.) - it was rather his stubborness that allowed him to get through to Weir, not his brains. Or at least that's the way I saw it. It was refusal to give up on her that managed to help find her way.

Okay, yeah, it was getting a tad bit Legacy there with the Stargate inside the door - but I liked it nonetheless.

Excellent, all in all.

Posted by: Lagger Aug 20th 2006, 9:24 AM

i thought good acting, boring episode...

as for the clock.. maybe ur right about being paranoid.. she said that it felt like a lifetime but it was only 5 hours...

Posted by: Revan Aug 20th 2006, 10:42 AM

He isn't actually dead. The nanites killed him off as a reason for her mental degradation. He is probably still happy on Earth, but he is no longer her's. He is with somebody new, since she was gone for like a year.

Posted by: FreshPez Aug 20th 2006, 11:00 AM

Loved the ep.

I think it would have been a great time for a shipper moment with weir and sheppard. Just a look or something, somewhere.

I'm not talking as overt as, "John Sheppard, are you defending my honour?" Just something.

Posted by: JTMAG1 Aug 20th 2006, 11:03 AM

I guess I was just speculating, that since all of the Asurans are connected through their subspace link, and they have access to any individual's mind, perhaps there is a backup file database. This would be how they were able to "reset" Naim. If did have this sort of system, they could build a new body and reset it to Oberon.

It was just speculation based on what they do with the cylons in BSG.

Am I the only one that thinks Jack filmed this ep, adn went over to the SG1 set without even changing clothes?

Posted by: Revan Aug 20th 2006, 11:03 AM

Well John did risk his life to give her hope. It was incredibly stupid of him to leap into that containment chamber. He obviously cares about her... they are his 'family' remember?

Posted by: deadulus101 Aug 20th 2006, 11:31 AM

Although the acting was good I have to agree it was a boring episode. I found myself at points trying to focus and pay attention.... I did like the cards having the atlantis gate address on them though...

Posted by: Sighfienerd Aug 20th 2006, 11:59 AM

The shadow man could definitely have been Shep (though I'm still a little on the fence about it), but I just wish they had spent a few seconds of the script resolving this since it was important enough to have several scenes in the episode.

I think Shep is definitely smart enough and intuitive enough to have figured out what was going on with the nanites. That's one thing that I've been annoyed with in the show, because the writers originally portrayed him with more character and then just kind of stopped. I'd like to see some more character-driven episodes for Shep, more like what we've seen in the last two or three episodes.

Pitry, I got the impression in that group therapy session that Weir actually perked up and got interested when that lady spoke about "the others" because she thought it might mean there really was something weird going on - and that it really wasn't about her being three fries short of a happy meal.

Posted by: JTMAG1 Aug 20th 2006, 12:35 PM

The shadowy man was definitly Sheppard, and they resolved this in the script multiple times. Shep said something to the effect of ,"Carson, if I talk to her, will she be able to hear me". Carson says, "there are lots of instances where comatose patients report having been able to sense what was going on around them".

That's the writers pointing out the connection. The reason that she couldn't clearly make him out was that the nanites were interfering. Once most of them were eliminated, and Sheppard added additional senses (he touched her and she was probably able to smell him ) to the mix, they were no longer able to block out the image.

EDIT: just corrected some grammer.

Posted by: Revan Aug 20th 2006, 12:38 PM

Yep, it was Sheppard... Weir was unable to clearly perceive him because the nanites had spread and gained a foothold in her mind. He came in loud and clear once they had killed a lot of them. Because there were far less nanites, she was able to effectively fight back.

Posted by: Tonten Aug 20th 2006, 7:32 PM

was anyone reminded of that episode of deep space nine where sisko deals with a similiar situation in a mental institution. I was when I saw this episode.

Posted by: Laitaine Aug 20th 2006, 7:44 PM

You know, about Shepperd being the shadowy figure, I guessed it the first time I saw the 'shadowy' figure. I thought it would be kinda obvious that it would be Shepperd. But, maybe that's just me, and I tend to try to think about how the writers want the episode to be like.

Posted by: ancient01 Aug 20th 2006, 8:04 PM

I have to admit, this one bored me. I agree with the general concensus that TH did a fantastic job, but it could have been any tv drama. The core story really didn't have anything to do with Atlantis. I am looking forward to next week's episode, though...

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 20th 2006, 8:12 PM

That was my take on that scene as well. She seemed to be withdrawn and when that lady started to speak she definately perked right up and saw a sliver of hope.

Posted by: Hopeless SG Addict Aug 21st 2006, 1:17 AM

I also felt Weir perked up when she thought the other woman's issues might be significant. Then Weir withdrew once she realized sharing her memories of the wraith would only serve to mess this other woman up even more.

I liked this episode. I loved how Rodney tried to take credit for Carson's idea. I did kind of expect them to go up and retrieve Niam, but I don't know what that would have accomplished.

All-in-all a good ep. Not as good as the previous two, but still good.

Posted by: IndyJan Aug 21st 2006, 1:43 AM

Are you kidding? I loved that for once McKay wasn't being his sorry arrogant jerk to always save the day! Shep is intelligent. He was the one to figure out what was wrong with Weir. I liked that.



Alan Ruck also played in the movie Speed! A very good movie.

I will say that this episode gave TH a chance to really shine acting wise. She was brilliant.

I liked that they didn't just let the whole Niam thing go. He actually did something to Weir before they set him out in space. I also liked how they tied into Simon. Weir must still feel something for him, or I doubt that would have happened.

Jack, Jack, I saw my Jack again! I so miss that man, and he was great. It reminded me of the Foothold episode on SG1. RDA played jack so well, he was evil but you wanted to believe him and trust him. The same for Weir.

It had it's moments, not the best and not my fav, but it had its moments.

Posted by: mantez Aug 22nd 2006, 1:02 AM

This ep wasnt as bad as i thought it would be i turned out ok but its been done too many times before, buffy done it, star trek (DS9) done it and even SG1 done it personally I would be glad if no series ever done it again.

overall rating of this episode it could have been worse

Posted by: Mike Aug 22nd 2006, 6:37 AM

I fell asleep during this episode and I never do that when it comes to SG-1 and Atlantis.

I would say I have mixed feelings about the episode. Nice in a sense that we got to see more of Tori's acting talent but in a way it was a momentum killer for me. Kinda hard to have the best of both worlds when you have this sort of episode.

Posted by: Sibylle Aug 23rd 2006, 3:46 AM

I liked the episode but it could be 10times better if the plot was different.

Imagine Weir captured by Wraight of Replicators, they don't know that much about Atlantis but they want to learn for destroying it, or taking over it (taking over is better).
By letting Weir tell things in her dreams, they get information....


the first 20min or so I thought that was the case, and I liked it. The moment Weir would figure it out, it would cause a battle inside her head, her thoughts playing tricks on her, little mistakes by de Wraight/Replicators that she (and the viewer) would've to be alert for.....

Posted by: KillerMarv Aug 23rd 2006, 4:06 AM

That would have been even more done to death than part of the plot of this episode. We've seen this way too many times with the original Replicators.

This was a bit different because they wanted to take over her body and replicate.

Posted by: Sibylle Aug 23rd 2006, 9:29 AM

but it was weak, and without purpose....

The moment they showed Weir in Atlantis being attacked by the nanites it stopped being exciting, the only danger was they would take her life....and everyone knows that's not gonna happen (or she would have to ascend, but that's too cheap).
Why not make the reps in control of her body and let her do stuff in Atlantis, or just forget about the whole plot :S

Posted by: startreksuite Aug 25th 2006, 8:55 AM

Good episode! I was thinking, oh no! They've stolen the Deep Space Nine episode where Sisko is told that the Space station is a dream and he's a writer! That episode stunk! The Stargate Powers That Be made this episode good! It was strange to see O'Neill as a serious character, but that is what Dr.Weir knows him as, not as cool goofy guy he really is. I felt like I was watching an Outer Limits episode, because we were unsure if her delusions were real or not, and later we realize none of what she sees is real! It was cool that Shep got her out, and she was able to get rid of the replicator things, nanobots, whatever they're called.

Posted by: QtombeD Aug 25th 2006, 2:19 PM

I didn't like this episode to much (never like so called real world stories in a sf series) the plot wasn't to good either... O'neill being serieus was the only big shocker

But there is almost an Identical episode in SG1. Two actually (that I know of) there is one of Tealc as when he swaps his lovely snake with his old teacher, forgot who played the simulaer role in the 2nd simular episode.

In my opninion SGA borrows a bit to much from Star Trek or SG1 but that is usually the case with those series...

TNG made almost identical episodes from the original series and all later series did this as well SGA is no exception.

I wonder where they will go with the two enemies storyline.... Hope SGA will run for 10 seasons as well oh and they skip episodes like this.....

Posted by: IndyJan Aug 25th 2006, 7:10 PM

I doubt very much that Atlantis will have the staying power of SG1. I'm having a hard time watching it now, and I only do because it follows SG1. Once SG1 is gone, I doubt if I will care whether I watch Atlantis or not. If I'm home to watch I will. If I leave, I won't worry about taping it.

Posted by: Jade Aug 29th 2006, 5:28 AM

overall ok, like the fact that it is Weir centre episode. Kind of guessed all the hallucination would have something to do with the replicator.
will need to watch it again, a bit confused on how they got rid of the Nanite completely, all they required is one to survive, scary!

Posted by: Pitry Aug 29th 2006, 7:35 AM

Interesting. I nmight have to re-watch it to see if I'm correct, but the way I rememebvr it, she gave that little "oh" smile -and just then the psychologist looked at her, as if to reprove her. Well, I guess we'll never know. ;)

Posted by: J&S4Ever Sep 1st 2006, 10:31 PM

Good episode from what I remember. I didn't get to record it so I didn't do my usual reviewing of the tape.
TH has gotten a couple of good episodes to show her acting skills recently. I do hope that they start focusing more on writing for this show now that SG1 will no longer precede it.

I think I can download the ep to my IPOD so I'll watch it again. There's something about the replicators that is bugging me, but I just can't put my finger on it.

Posted by: cosmos Sep 12th 2006, 9:42 AM

When it started and so what the story was like, ie Locked in a cage told she is crazy when we know that she isn't; I thought this is going to be a boring episode. I figured the shadow has got to be Sheppard but fortunately predictability didn't spoil it for me.

Surprisingly, I enjoyed it very much and I think it was made really well. I have to give it a 5/5 because of that.

Posted by: Dafmeister Nov 22nd 2006, 5:20 PM

I didn't think much of the episode at first because the idea behind the episode has been used a few times in Stargate but it got better as it went on. I was kind of hoping that the episode would flesh Weir's character out a bit more but it didn't really do all that much for her. Surely there should have been some lasting damage to her body, especially her brain considering the nanites had used her body to replicate themselves?

Posted by: Pitry Nov 22nd 2006, 5:27 PM

Interesting, I actually felt it did flesh out Weir, a lot. When she's convinced she's wrong, when she's leading her own, old life... it perhaps didn't flesh her out in a wya you'd expect a scifi heroine to be - but these are exactly the scenes I felt showed how mch of a human being she really is.

Posted by: JC1 Nov 22nd 2006, 5:40 PM

I thought it was a fairly average episode. I have nothing against Weir, but seeing her life before Atlantis just makes me wonder why she was chosen to lead a scientific/military expedition to another galaxy.

Also, while it was good to see O'Neil again, I would have prefered if the character was included in a real story, instead of just being part Weirs delusion.

Posted by: cdpage Apr 16th 2007, 10:35 PM

I have to agree with JC1 on two counts,

i would have rathered seen Jack in a real story line...but it was nice to see him.

as for the ep. Meh, good idea of a follow up, not so keen on the exicution tho

Posted by: Elisabeth and Sam rock!! May 27th 2007, 4:44 PM

lol you mean GOTHIKA yer v scary

Posted by: sacfiona Jul 3rd 2007, 1:02 PM

i thought this episode rocked.
a bit weird but a good episode

Posted by: bostjan91 Aug 19th 2007, 2:46 PM

I agree i almost fell insleep
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Posted by: KillerMarv Aug 19th 2007, 4:18 PM

I don't agree... Even if this episode was not great, it was certainly not monotonous. And IMO, there was never an episode of Stargate (SG-1 or Atlantis) that would fall into this category.

And for the record, it's asleep, not insleep.

Posted by: Dafmeister Aug 19th 2007, 4:25 PM

There are a number of episodes that deal with false realities or altered perceptions, 'The Gamekeeper', 'Out of Mind', 'Into the Fire', 'Beneath the Surface', 'The Fifth man', 'Grace', 'New Order' and 'Avatar'.

Posted by: KillerMarv Aug 20th 2007, 1:12 AM

No... I mean the boring category, not the altered perception category.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 20th 2007, 1:44 AM

I knew what you meant!

As far as insleep or asleep....'A' means in latin 'without' or 'abscent' or 'none'....at least that is what I get out of it in medical terms. This being so, I wonder why we english say 'asleep' when we mean that the person is sleeping. . To me, 'asleep' means 'without sleep'.

Posted by: KillerMarv Aug 20th 2007, 2:27 AM

That is quite interesting. It's like when you say asymmetrical opposite to symmetrical. And the Romanian form of the word is similar: "dormi" - "adormi". The origin of the a in front of sleep in English is in the 12th century. The original form was "on sleep"... In time, people talked faster and faster, and the "on" soon became a "uh", thus the form you know today: asleep. So, not weird... Now I have to know why we have the same weird non-sleeping form in Romanian.

EDIT: Ah, here it is... The original latin word was addormire, so the front part of of the word is not a- like it looks, is ad-, that means with... So, adormi means with sleep, which is quite correct.