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Posted by: Arcady Jan 13th 2004, 5:11 PM

Season 7, Episode 14 - Fallout

Air Date (UK): January 13, 2004
Air Date (US): January 23, 2004

Jonas Quinn seeks help from Earth in avoiding the total destruction of his planet.

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Posted by: Raxor Jan 13th 2004, 5:11 PM

i had been waiting for this one for a long time. this half is really picking up, cant wait until its on its on dvd:)

jack:"i say we should send them packing"
tealc:"Indeed"
great quote, tealc is becoming more comical now, i like to see that, shows some development
seems like male fans of AT will like this episode, and that goauld girl wasnt too bad

nice to link back to meridian and shadow play, we find out that the klenowans caused the fall out to occur.
good to see that jack was trying to 'keep the peace'
it showed that jonases people havent evolved enough to take the threat of the whole planet blowing up seriously, too wrapped up in politics.
love the sets, the industrial architecture, ive always loved that planet.
im glad they didnt bring in Baal, it would have made it very cliche, (the bad guy coming in to find out whats gone wrong)
now we know that naquadria can be made in the lab, so it wont be as hard to get as it currrently is. (they just need to fix the instabiltity)
and this episode showed that the goauld arent all that evil, some might be able to change, i think the goauld might have gone to the tokra if it had survifed, if that happened, the writers would make her like tannith again, that would be just bad

+good to see more cup holders
+Kianna was played well, and i didnt think she was goauld at the start, but i didnt know why she injected her with drugs, then i got it
+nice twist with the goauld, i hadnt seen that coming, i avoided the spoilers for some reason !
+music is pretty good
+i liked jack in this one; he was in it a lot more, and i liked his humour this time.
+like the way the goauld didnt take the host with her ( almost tokra like)
+i wish jonas had stayed a bit more cant have everything
+Good to see that jonas' homeworld people have united, as we saw in 701, but they dont get along too well
+great special effect, really liked the drill. im glad they didnt show them underground, it actually felt like they were underground which i like.
-only gripe was that we didnt see any of the tokra!, ok its had to come up with bad things about this episode
-i never understood why they wanted to detonate a nuclear device near a large pocked ot naquuadria, maybe it would have shot up the hole or something, but then again it worked so thats all that matters.

I personally think that this episode was the best one overall. i hope it continues. too bad i saw it on a bad monitor. ill be definately getting the dvd when i can. i never understood why many people hated jonas. ive always liked him.

overall rating ***1/2 (very good)

they made the right choice letting Corin Nemec write the story for the episode
much better than last weeks sleeper episode
heres to more intriging episodes


next week looks good as well!

Posted by: Aesir Jan 13th 2004, 5:12 PM

Apologies for any mistakes in my post as I'm going totally off memory and I've only seen it once just now so forgive me if I get some of the technicalities wrong.

Episode Summary (for those who might not see this for a long time):

Jonas returns through the Stargate with news that Kelowna (and subsequently his whole planet) is in grave danger. They have learned that the Naquadria they thought was native to their planet in fact isn't and what has actually been happening is that a reaction has been occurring within their planet that has been converting Naquadah deposits into Naquadria. It has been discovered that this conversion is becoming very dangerous and very soon the conversion of a large desposit of Naquadah will cause a massive explosion which will destroy half of Kelowna and cause a fall-out that will render their planet (which is now called Langara as the three nations have somewhat united) uninhabitable.

Thanos, the Goa'uld that once occupied Kelowna was apparently experimenting with Naquadah trying to create Naquadria in a lab when some kind of accident must have happened which triggered a chain reaction that started the initial conversion inside the planet. It was discovered that this settled down shortly afterwards, but the testing of a Naquadria bomb performed by the Kelownans started it off again and so ultimately their use of the Naquadria for weapons put their whole planet in grave danger.

Sam and Jonas work with another Kelownan scientist named Kianna to try to solve the problem, while Daniel, Jack and Teal'c (who later joins Sam and Jonas) stay back on Earth to talk with the representatives of the three nations regarding possible relocation

They decide to fix the problem by drilling into the planet with a huge drilling excavation vehicle that took over 2 years to build. With the help of Tok'ra crystals, they plan to strategically place a nuclear device near a fault-line which when detonated would stop the reaction.

While examining the schematics for the drill, Carter discovers that some of the designs are very similar to Goa'uld designs and shortly afterwards they discover that Kianna, Jonas' girlfriend and the scientist that has been working with them is a Goa'uld. She has been using a drug to mask the presence of the symbiote and works for Ba'al who is very interested in the Naquadria.

Needless to say, there are complications when the drill breaks down half way down and they end up having to use the Tok'ra crystals to create a tunnel big enough for one person to go down on a suicide mission to place the bomb. Kianna (symbiote) volunteers and ends up sacrificing her life to save them in an uncharacteristically compassionate act for a Goa'uld.

When she gets to the bottom, they discover that the power generators are damaged and that they are losing power... soon they will not have sufficient power to get back to the surface. Kianna (symbiote) looks pretty bad and decides that she is not going to make it and tells them to leave her behind. They refuse to and she makes it back to the excavation vehicle just in time.

The planet is saved and it is a relatively happy ending, except for the fact that the symbiote dies. This would normally be a good thing, but this Goa'uld appeared to actually have a heart and be more like a Tok'ra than a Goa'uld. The host survives and makes a point of telling everyone that the Goa'uld chose not to kill her by releasing the poison as it died. Instead, it tried to heal her and was probably responsible for her quick recovery.

My comments

Overall, I thought this was an excellent episode and is probably my favourite of the season so far. I thought it had a very intriguing plot that was very well intermixed with action, emotion, suspense and plot twists - it had all the things that make a great Stargate episode in my opinion.

I really enjoyed learning more about Naquadah and Naquadria and the science behind them and finally learning the name of the Goa'uld that once occupied Langara (Thanos).

We actually get to see a Goa'uld that shows feelings for a human and it seems obvious that she is in love with Jonas and was visibly hurt when she found out that she disgusted him. It shows that even the Goa'uld are not beyond compassion and her willingness to sacrifice herself to save the planet was yet another unexpected twist. As a side note, wasn't this the same actress that played Ba'al's lotar in 'Abyss'? I'm sure they look pretty similar and I will have to check. If this is the case then what is confusing is that in this episode she also serves Ba'al, but her host is Kelownan and so it obviously isn't the same lotar

All of the team seem to be in it for a reasonable length of time (unlike some other season 7 episodes), but Sam, Jonas and Kianna got most of the screen time. Jack was present and in a few scenes which was at least good to see, although Daniel did still seem to get more focus than him.

I also though it was really funny how they decided to take back their offer of relocating the Langarans to Madrona after all their bitching, saying how it would be a punishment to the Madronans

So Kianna was host to a Goa'uld, so would she then have a lot of knowledge that the SGC would want to get their hands on? Also, from this episode it is apparent that Naquadria can be created from Naquadah, so maybe the SGC will work out a way to convert the Naquadah in a similar way... they don't have to worry about what happened to Langara happening to them really as there are no Naquadah deposits on Earth.

Jonas' hair takes a little getting used to, but by the end of the episode I was actually quite accepting of it. I do think it would have been funny to have Sam or Jack make a side-comment about it though.

One thing though... I don't really understand why detonating a nuclear device right next to a massive Naquadria deposit was a very good idea... isn't that a little dangerous? I'm willing to ignore this though in light of an excellent episode (there's probably some scientific explanation anyway).

Overall, I'd give this episode 9/10.

Posted by: Raz Jan 13th 2004, 5:14 PM

OK episode. Written by Corin Nemec??? Must be his first (and last). Good goa'uld kind of made the episode crap! Good humour in that when Jack was arguing with the representatives!

"Thats what ya get for dickin around!"

Also when they were entering the lift and Jack said,

"I am running out of patience"
Teal'c "As am I"!

Brilliant! I thought it was definitely a Jonas centered episode but was reasonably good. A bit ironic that 1) Goa'uld had a vaccine so Carter wouldn't detect her (How did she know Carter would come) and 2) They had a massive drill when they needed it most!

A little too ironic if you ask me but hey....thats Stargate for ya!

I'd give the episode 7/10 but next weeks looks immense!

Posted by: Albion Jan 13th 2004, 6:12 PM

Well, I've had the VCR running, but haven't had the chance yet to go watch. I've said in another thread that I really wasn't expecting much from this one and anticipating being bored as Jonas isn't a favourite character of mine (this may only be because I've so far missed some essential character forming epsiodes focusing on him and may change my mind once I've seen them) - but you guys have got me looking forward to it and keen to watch it now!

More later. <G>

Okay, it's later.

Well, I'll admit it. I surprised myself and enjoyed this one. Well...most of it. Must admit my heart sank when the digger appeared and I pretty much fast forwarded through most of the 'scenes from The Core', which bored me almost as much as the original movie of the same name did. Although it was nice to see Sam and Teal'c - somewhat - working together on a problem. There's too little of that and I always enjoy seeing it.

Also, the good Gou'auld didn't seem right to me. It's just...wrong. Like an aberration of nature or something.

I thought the exposition scene with Teal'c bringing back the crystals was a little clumsily done. Which is unsual for the writers on this show.

I did enjoy the scenes with the Ambassadors though. It was nice, in the initial meeting scenes to see Teal'c actively getting involved. When Jack yelled, "Aww, for crying out loud" I jumped about fifty feet in the air along with Daniel. LOL. Loved Daniel trying repeatedly to stop him. Loved Teal'c giving Sam that "Oh, geez, get over it!" look when whatsishername called him Sholva. And loved Daniel's worried expression when Jack told him he could help him out. The whole we like the Madronians too much and that's what you get speech was funny too.

So, all in all - it didn't suck! <G>

Still couldn't work up much interest in Jonas though.


Albion

Posted by: SG1nut Jan 14th 2004, 3:13 AM

I thought this episode was really good! It was great to see Jonas again and for his planet to be under a threat like this. They have advanced a lot more than would have been expected. So did the other nations form a treaty so that they could share the new technology the Kelownans were getting from Jonas and of course his Goauld of a girlfriend?
If I was Jack I wouldn't just shout or threaten them- I'd be completely undiplomatic and hit each one from the back of the head!
(To conclude- they were sooooh similarly annoying. Sounded like a few leaders from our world that need a slap as well...)

I also liked the whole Kianna thing. It was quite surprising though. So she was a Goauld- but somehow it appeared as though she had feelings for our Jonas? Cripes! And yet it gave up its life to save Kianna. Sounds awful Tok'ra like. But I'm not one to fuss much or nitpick either- so I sat back and enjoyed the happy ending.

Loved the humour as well. Teal'c is quickly getting to the status of negotiator (right at the start), and total comic genius. I saw that, "Get over yourself!" look he gave when called a "sholva" too!
Jack was as usual hilarious in his own way and Daniel was extremely brave to put up with those nagging politicians- but then again we saw him vent his frustration out near the end when asked by Jack- who then took over very well!

Posted by: Jon The UK SG-1 Fan Jan 14th 2004, 3:43 AM

This episode was a big NAY for me because i didn't like anything about it really. Theres loads of films and tv shows about having to drill down into the earth and plant a bomb even if it is to stop the Naquadria thing. I thought that the ambassadors were pretty lame with their petty arguments and i thought that the drill was pretty cool, but i thinks a story about a drill is boring.

I know they used Tok'ra crystals to try and spice it up a bit but that didn't work for me . Sure to see Jonas again was pretty cool and i liked the bit that Rax mentioned earlier
jack:"i say we should send them packing"
tealc:"Indeed"


But overall didn't like, to boring not much action, the Goa'uld was lame in how she was so cooperative even though she was prserving it for Ba'al.

Worst ep of the season
rating 4/10

Posted by: Raz Jan 14th 2004, 5:15 AM

Were they referring to that Weather Planet MADRONA from Season 2 when they were calling it MADRONAS? 2 different names that are very similar? They should have just stuck them all on an uninhabited planet and gotten it over and done with!

Posted by: Aesir Jan 14th 2004, 5:23 AM

Posted by: Albion Jan 14th 2004, 6:34 AM

Yeah, forgot to mention that red-headed Councillor was in desperate wont of a good slapping. My fingers were itching to administer it all the way through.

We could do with Jack O'Neill at a few UN meetings.


Albion

Posted by: Dafmeister Jan 14th 2004, 7:08 AM

What a great ep. I think SG1 is getting back to its original standards.

Another Goa'uld showing signs of being 'good'. Pretty much the best looking Goa'uld we've seen for a while.

I think Corin may have a new role in SG1 or Atlantis - story writer. One of the best eps in Season 7 so far.

Posted by: Emmyloo Jan 14th 2004, 10:12 AM

Well, this ep for me was a big disappointment.

I was looking forward to this ep, as we would get to see how Jonas is getting on, and although i did enjoy finding out more about Naquadriah and Naquadah, the ep just seemed kinda boring to me. Nothing much happened and it lacked suspense when it needed it.

Posted by: kitsune Jan 14th 2004, 1:06 PM

well if you lower your expectations to the level of grace, this was quite a good episode.

the only good thing i want to mention is a quote, because it is more fun to say bad things(even if i like it):
Jack: See, we actually like the Madroninins, they're a nice people, and we've decided there's no way that we would subject them to the like of you...
can anyone remember another time that Jack was this effective at negotiating? all i can remember are times when he made it worse.

the bad:
Teal'c was un-Teal'c-like. Normally he is silent except when spoken to, or had something important to say. Agreeing with O?Neill didn't seem like him, and his part was more on the side, he could have been replaced by almost anyone, and usually this is not the case

The show is reminiscent of "deep impact" and "Armageddon", but beyond that, the drill did not appear to be capable of doing what they designed it for. it seemed to have a 'grinder' in the front, and several on the rotating cone, but those on the cone were so far back that they could not possibly be hitting all of the stuff missed by the front.

We find a nice Goa'uld, show her that humans are different by waiting for her, one falls in love with her, and is on the verge (i believe) of accepting her, and she dies?! that made me sad, although it was better than leaving her behind (it's a good thing Jack wasn't there).

I was hoping the langarans would be more spirited in their hatred, but it was ok.

this ep is in probably in my top 55 out of 145
side note: i have finally made as many post as the number of shows that i have seen

Posted by: Majikthize Jan 14th 2004, 3:28 PM

I liked it. I liked it a lot. I liked the fact that it was a standalone with a bit of back story to make it just that little bit more interesting. It was nice to see some exposition as to how and why Naquadria had formed on this planet alone out of all of them. It was also a nice little moral twist that they sowed the seeds for their own destruction. This could easily have turned into a terribly preachy environmental tale but it managed to stay on just the right side of morality to keep it real.
I also liked the claustophobic feel of the scenes in the drill and in the conference room while fleshing out their relocation. This was exactly how it should be, and Daniel & co's struggles to negotiate an agreeable solution were as intensive as the mission Sam and Teal'c undertook. It was also nice to see Sam and Teal'c interacting a bit more this year.

Jack seemed to have a reasonable amount of presence that I didn't miss him. When they buggered off in the elevator I thought we'd seen the last of him (hey that's a new reason for Lack Of Jack...he gets jerked off by a bunch of squabbling diplomats...well not literally of course but... ) but he came back with the best undiplomatic and Classic Jack phrase ever

"Thats what ya get for dickin' around!"

Yeah I know load of people mentioned the line before but it's too good not to post again. I like that he came through in the end and turned things around as if to prove that, sometimes, diplomacy can go swing.

The new Kelowna hair craze is very fine IMO. I wanted to laugh at Jonas because he looked ridiculous but in actual fact I kind of liked it. Wasn't too keen on the natty little track suit number he was kitted out in. Not the most flattering outfit I've seen on the back of a fella, particularly one who I know is as fine as he is underneath.

Speaking of clothes (and sticking to the shallows here) Was this "get your arms out" week? I swear Sam Teal'c and Kianna were having a Best Biceps competition in that drill thing.

Teal'c seemed a little more human than normal, but I think this has been a bit of a trend this year. I like that he's been allowed to grow in this direction as CJ has great comic timing.

Is it me of did Kianna seem a little jealous of Sam there for a moment? Certainly Sam and Jonas had an easy rapport that, had I been his girl, I'd have been seething over.

Speaking of Kianna, it seemed that they figured she was a Goa'uld rather too quickly and easily. It needed a little more exposition here. I also didn't really get what her angle was. Was she a good Goa'uld? Was she just trying to preserve the Naquadria? Was she actually in love with Jonas? I have no issues with ehr being a good goa'uld if she was, but I just didn't really get it.

There was one really beautifully staged shot in this ep that has stuck with me. When we first saw the drill we had a lovely camera pan over the machine and down. I get really excited over stupid things like this because it's attention to detail and the people who do this kind of work on the series are so rarely acknowledged for it.

The diplomats annoyed the hell out of me, as well they should. The fact that the only one I was remotely sympathetic to was the one from the nation that started this whole mess with a bomb test says it all really.

Finally, did anyone else think it just a tad bit too conveinent (not to mention reminiscent of In The Line Of Duty) when the symbiote died allowing Kianna to live? I really don't get that. Surely the body of the host would have been irreparable while the symbiote could be saved. Actually this would have made a far more interesting ending, instead of Jonas mooching off back home with a symbioteless Kianna who may or may not have the same feelings for him as the snake did. I feel oddly unfulfilled now because I want to know if those kids made it or not.

All in all I thought it was a pretty top episode. Well written, nicely shot and balancing the two plot arcs nicely so that we get a fairly all round feel of the team. I'm still waiting to see them really intercting as a whole team this year though. It's been fairly lacking so far.

Posted by: Behenna Jan 14th 2004, 4:39 PM

this ep is better than a few so far this season bout not the best so far! but it was still enjoyable to watch(200 times better than last week).

What happened 2 jonas's hair? it was horrid! his hair in S6 was WAY better!

I wonder if he will get along with the host of that goa'uld if he has only known her since the goa'uld took her as a host?

i liked the way jack got quite annoyed! it was ammusing watching him losing it and daniel just saying jack!

thats all i got 2 say part from Good Ep!

Posted by: kitsune Jan 14th 2004, 4:48 PM

Posted by: Aesir Jan 14th 2004, 6:39 PM

Posted by: Mike Jan 14th 2004, 7:40 PM

First off I would like to thank the UK fans for recording and uploading these episodes for the whole world to see. Now this is free trade at it's finest.

I liked the episode, just when you think you have heard everything come out of the mouths of SG-1, they surprise you again. Maybe it's me but it looks like Teal'c is taking on more human, or should I say, Tau'ri reactions and traits. Perhaps being around them for so long tends to rub off on you. Nice to see the O'Neill sarcasim alive and well.

"That's what you get for dickn' around."

Oh, and Jonas looked like he was going to get his girlfriend. . . . .until we found out who really liked him. We still don't know for sure if Kianna really likes Jonas but as Jonas said, it's in the developmental stage.

Posted by: ChibiSam Jan 14th 2004, 8:11 PM

Posted by: prometheus Jan 14th 2004, 9:15 PM

good episode...little odd...i really like jack and teal'c's little thang with the ambassadors
the good gou'ald might be a little on the "o yeah like thats every going to happen" side but still it wasn't that bad...its good to know that at least someone on the teams is finally going to be with someone who doens't die...im sure hes gonna have some good sex
can't wait till death knell i wanna see some action some fighting!!

Posted by: SlavsyaRossiya Jan 15th 2004, 12:12 AM

I don't know why some people are saying that a good Goa'uld is a bad thing. I thought thats what made the ep even better...It didn't constantly fall into the stereotype of "All tokra = Doubleplusgood, all Goa'uld = Doubleplusbad" that I've seen in a lot of eps. It made the Goa'uld seem more like a race instead of just the evil bad guys over the horizon.
The Jonas suit thing...sucked. But Jonas was actually much better. He wasn't superjonas like he was during his stay with SG1, and it kinda makes me wish they didn't kick him off. Kinda. Dont quote me on that!
I think Teal'c becoming a bit more Earthlike is great. I was really annoyed when he was in his Frowny phase for up to season 3, then kinda annoyed with him just being silent, but he's developing a sense of humour and it looks like he's smiling more! Yay.
Re the sybiote healing the host....Remember Jolinar? She was seriously injured (I gather) yet healed Carter. Why can't this goa'uld do the same?
And about the policitians bickering....Um, I don't see how some of you couldn't expect that? If Earth faced the same thing (and the British did it), it'd go something like this:

FRANCE: Is this not more proof of British incompetence? They wantonly destroy the environment and now because of them the Earth is going to explode!
AMERICA: Oh come on! The British were simply defending themselves against YOUR imperialism. The great United States condemns you for even considering attacking Britain both militarily and on the issues of environment.
GERMANY: Like your one to be talking! We have tried to teach you American dogs that environmentalism is....
RUSSIA: Gentlemen, please! Let us not get ahead of ourselves here. First we must go through the Stargate. Naturally starting with Russians first. It would be unfortunate if one of your nations were to....cease to exist before your evacuation. Oh, and we will be activating our nuclear arsenal.
CHINA: Is that a threat? China will not stand for threats. Remember we have a huge army....
ISRAEL: No. We must go first because we are the chosen ones.
MIDDLE EAST: Hah! Allah will save *us* first instead of you J....
ISRAEL: We tire of your terroristic tendencies. It is time that you plague the world NO MORE!
*The world is nuked to ****, everyone dies.....and then Earth blows up*

Er...Anyway.

Overall a really good episode, and definitely the standout of the season so far. Not to mention 10^(infinity) times better than Grace.

Posted by: kitsune Jan 15th 2004, 12:39 AM

edit:
crap.
i'm officially an idiot (incase you didn't alredy know)
i posted something, which i just realised is a tad inapropriate
moderator, please remove this
by the way, i think we would be more civilized than the Colonans

Posted by: SlavsyaRossiya Jan 15th 2004, 3:17 AM

Posted by: dr_n_tesla Jan 15th 2004, 6:59 AM

Well, what can I say?
Great Ep!!!

I particularly like the thought of Jonas being able to take home his own version of Sam, only hotter!!!

Kianna being blended with a Goa'uld, then having it die inside her while it saved her life. So she remembers everything, and will most likely have a few Sam/Jolinar flashbacks. With the naquadah in her blood, she'll be able to use Goa'uld stuff .

She's also smart like Sam and looks great! Jonas has done really well cos she already likes him! He only has to get passed the fact that he was kissing a Goa'uld, then everything will be hunkydorry and they'll have lots of fun together and perhaps the next time we see Jonas, he'll be a daddy

I think I've gone a bit off topic here.

I got the sense that Sam seemed a little jealous that Jonas was seeing Kianna.

Teal'c and Jack are such great chums!

I'm sure that Daniel would have wanted to go loose at those political gooses, but Jack's words were far more witty and effective!

* * * * rating

Posted by: Aesir Jan 15th 2004, 10:38 AM

Posted by: ChibiSam Jan 15th 2004, 10:55 AM

Well thanks for finding out Aesir. I think during "Abyss" you never really get a good look at the lotar, so when I saw Kianna my mind just sort of compared her to this vague image from "Abyss".

I do wonder what will happen with Kianna and Jonas. It will be a bit like the Jolinar/Sam with Martouf thing. I think Sam was attracted to Martouf, but she could not seperate where her feelings ended and Jolinar's began. Kianna will have to sort out if she really liked Jonas or is it the memories of how the Goa'uld felt. The same goes for Jonas. If it was the Goa'uld he fell in love with he may not like the real Kianna. Seems to me at the end that Kianna did have more of a Tok'ra type experience with the Goa'uld and may actually come away from the experience unscathed.

Posted by: stargatesweetie Jan 15th 2004, 12:21 PM

Pretty good episode and the series has now established an even keel.
Like most people I was surprised that the Goa'uld sacrificed herself to save the host-not the bit about saving the planet (who wants to be on the part of the planet that's going to explode?!). Does the fact that some of the Goa'uld have the inclination to sacrifice themselves in a "noble" manner have implications for future episodes? We'll see.
Nice to see Jack back on form and present for more than the token 2mins and Daniel reverting to the role of mediator again. Just like the olden days!
A weakness of the episode? The conflicting view we see of the Goa'uld I suppose. For the past 6 seasons we have been led to believe that the Goa'uld are selfish and egotistical-why would one suddenly go all noble on us? love/attraction for Jonas? hmm not sure on this. Could have been better explained, though this is not really a criticism more a thought.
Overall I enjoyed the episode.

Posted by: invisible painting Jan 15th 2004, 2:14 PM

I liked this episode and i liked the comedy, i mean come on all that you have to do was look at jonas' hair and you'd be in histerics. I also liked the fact that they left an opening to revisit the planet in the future by gen. hammond sayin that ba'al would likely return in the future to see what happened to his spy. Which is good as it means that we get to see more jonas
And i also thought that in one scene jack did incredibly bad acting, it was nearish the start when jack wes shouting at the guys sayin ''ul destroy ur planet'' and stuff like that and it didnt come off well.

Posted by: PAL Jan 15th 2004, 9:15 PM

I liked it. There was enough suspense to keep me happy and Kianna was easy on the eyes. I'll admit it was a bit weird for a Goa'uld to develop a fondness for a human like Kianna did with Jonas, but surely it is possible. The Tok'ra have mentioned that they are made up of the children of Ageria but also of the occasional Goa'uld that is sympathetic to their cause, for whatever reason.

The drill was a tad cheesy (concept, not the CGI, it looked great).

It was made clear in the episode that Kianna wanted the Naquadria for herself, and that she didn't report it back to Baal. If he didn't know about it, then there is no reason for him to come looking for it. Odds are he won't care too much if his spy is dead because from what she was telling him, he probably thought that Langara was useless. While she was working with Jonas, he must have grew on her. It happens, even Goa'uld get lonely. By the end it did seem like she cared about Jonas more than the Naquadria, but because it was the result of a gradual shift in her thinking, it wasn't as hard to believe.

This episode was definately good. While it was good for the type of episode it was, I usually prefer episodes with more action so I'll give it an 8/10.

Posted by: Kromando33 Jan 15th 2004, 10:58 PM

well i have to be honest, i didn't really like this ep. It didn't seem to have enough story & it had basically no plot twists, pretty boring i thought & what's with the goa'uld unless she's a tok'ra goa'uld are evil not nice, no goa'uld would sacrifice it's life for it's host.

Posted by: SyStEm_LoRd Jan 16th 2004, 1:35 AM

does jonas have a gou'ald computer? if not how did he read info of the crystle. also if that girl did it. wouldn't it be a tab obvious something kinky is going on?

Posted by: Aesir Jan 16th 2004, 12:52 PM

Posted by: prometheus Jan 16th 2004, 7:46 PM

i believe that carter has figured out a way to interface human and crystal technology considering the prometheus...so it would be only fitting for her to be able to get a mobile interface...

jonus might actually get someone but that little thing with the gould might be a little tiny problem...just maybe....

Posted by: vaughany_boy Jan 17th 2004, 9:23 AM

One of the best of the season yet. I wish we could see more external shots of the drilling vehicle though.

Posted by: ramuund Jan 17th 2004, 5:59 PM

I actually enjoyed this episode alot more than any other.Here are some of the things i liked.

1. I loved it when Jonus and Kianna were showing Major Carter the drill and, after the VERY cool cinematography, she said "cool!"- i loved that! And what great effects that was with the drill!

2. It was great to see Jonus in fine form and i actually found myself liking the whole new look of his- even the tracksuit!

3. I thought the whole Kianna thing was very good also. I believed that she had first come with her own intentions but had over time fallen for Jonus. I thought there was some jealous tension from both Kianna and major Carter.

4. I thought the arguments between the diplomats were childish and stupid- just like what they would be in real life!

And these are some of the things i didn't enjoy.

1. I thought at the beginning that Jack wasn't that funny and rather forced. He did better with that 'dickin' around joke!

2. I was dissapointed in the symbiote dying situation. I would of thought that it would have been could for the goa'uld to survive and see what would of happened afterwards. They just walked in and said the Goa'uld was dead.....came off bad to me.

3. When Jonus was leaving. I felt, for a moment as i watched the reactions or lack of Jonus leaving, that i didn't like Major Cater and Teal'c or was it Daniel ..anyhoo, they didn't seem to care that Jonus was leaving and i thought that wasn't to good. They just seemed to have no expressions at all...kinda smug to me actually.


I watched this episode with my father- a rareity, but he is very hard to please and he has found some of the season seven eipsodes kinda crap but he was laughing and going "WOW" like a little kid throughout the episode! Especially with the drill/ sam saying "cool" scene....and he loved the "dickin' around line from Jack.

Taking into consideration the bad points i put down- i will give this 9/10! A big step in the right direction for season seven.....hope there is more to come!

Posted by: muldersgun Jan 17th 2004, 10:57 PM

I have to say it again....

JACK: That's what you get for dicking around.

ahahahahaah

good ep....and Jonas gets a girlfriend..... Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!

When Kianna and Sam were exchanging dirty looks in the drill control room i was like "Bitch fight, bitch fight, bitch fight...."

but yeah..good ep for the boys

but I liked daniel's hair. I don't like Jack's new haircut but. Too short up front.

Well that goes my shallowness quotient for the day.

I can't really comment on anything else since all the SFX were a pixelated blur.

Posted by: Lady_P Jan 21st 2004, 7:45 AM

I thought that the gould giving its life was so stupid, as if it would!!!! But overall i thought this ep was ok.
i think jonas should be in more eps

Posted by: prometheus Jan 22nd 2004, 11:18 AM

Posted by: Metel Setek Noximus Jan 23rd 2004, 4:17 AM

Thats what you get for dicking around. Ha, I nearly pissed myself laughing, I hope they dont edit that here in the states!

Posted by: Chrominium Jan 23rd 2004, 7:55 PM

My review of the episode:

I really liked this episode. For all intent and purposes, it was very obvious what was going to happen. I had kind of hoped that Jonas did find a girl that wasn't evil but unfortunately that wasn't the case. There is a twist in this episode, although its more to do with the whole series, the whole plotline than the episode's storylin itself.

The situation with the Gaould has always been a black and white issue. The Gao'uld are evil, the Tok'ra are good. This episode (by the way, this storyline appears in almost all sci-fi tv series) causes a minor rift in that theory. The Gaould of Keanna fell in love with Jonas - is that strange? we never heard anything about Gao'uld falling in love before so can this really happen. She never really said it but it was obvious - she did all the things one would do when in love. I'm sad really, cause I really can't say if ALL the gao'uld are evil. Maybe some are good, or can be swayed to be good, much like the first of the Tokra.

Keanna Gao'uld healed the host while dying herself. Familiar? That's how Sam Carter found out about the Tok'ra. They both were unwilling host, and both even did the 'Please listen to me' speech. The only difference here is that we have always believed that the Gao'uld are inheritly evil. Can Gao'uld be good, or is it because of human compassion?

I lov ethis line because it shows so much:
Keanna (in Gao'uld voice): So much for my empire...

Side Note:
- We now know why the Gaould doesnt use N'quadria and the origination of N'quadria.
- The planet is still there allowing n'quadria to be mined.
- It's good to see Jonas Quinn.
- What is it with the guys trying to show off there body this last half of the season? Throughout the whole episode Jonas Quinn wore something tightfitting. Other episode has Daniel goes around in a vest, and working out?
- Jack is still very good. Too bad he's not in it very much this season.
- I take it Baal will be going to Jonas' planet soon to see why his Gao'uld has not replied.

In conclusion, a very good episode but only because it throws a twist in the works. Otherwise, a very overused plot.

Posted by: Ares Jan 23rd 2004, 10:16 PM

Great ep. One of the best of the season. I was glad to see that there was at least on good goa'uld other than the tok'ra. I guess she didn't spend too much time in a sarcophogus to turn her into a Dr. Evil.

I was a bit confused when I saw their drilling machine. I was like, how the hell did they get so advanced within a year or so? But it all came clear when they had a Goa'uld behind the designs.

I'm not gonna say the Jack quotes cause everyone's said it about 30 times already. But he was quite teh funnay in this ep. The look on the ambassadors faces were priceless when they said the deal was off.

I give it 4 stars but Kianna's extreme hotness pushed it to 5.

Posted by: Heru'ur Jan 23rd 2004, 10:54 PM

I realy liked this episode. It was awesome. And it had some very intersting developments. Like that you could start a reaction with naquadah to turn it into naquadria.This is a huge discovery. Now I wonder if Sg-1 will duplicate this technology and turn any ol' supply of naquada to naquadria. If they successfully accomplished this, and if they could figure out how to use it properly, then they could built huge shipss, have advanced weapons and shields, and much more. Another huge development in the series.

Posted by: Chaka Jan 24th 2004, 1:14 AM

I thought that this episode was pretty good. I couldn't stop laughing when O'Neill said, "Thats what you get for dicking around." When did the SGC get a hand scanner to open up the Iris?

I noticed this in the episode Grace. Whats the deal with Sam's hair?

Posted by: WMCoolmon Jan 24th 2004, 1:27 AM

Posted by: Space_Monkey Jan 24th 2004, 1:32 AM

Best epp of the second half of the season, even tops some of the epps in the first half. Felt like the old days!

Posted by: thatolchestnut Jan 24th 2004, 2:36 AM

That was a really good episode in my opinion for a few reasons

1) We know that the system lords now know that somethings "up" with that world

2) I thought it was a good plot twist with the whole shes just human no shes guhold, shes in the service of Baahl, no shes trying to form here own empire... Did people miss the part where she says "So much for my empire?" She wasnt nice AT ALL and for a matter of fact she was just trying to form her empire by manipulating the people on that world.

3) Thought it was great to see a tokraesque type gohold, lets remember here people the tokra ARE gohuld, so that means that not ALL gohuld are evil...

Also keep in mind the one ep where its theorized that the gohuld become who they are through the use of the sacophraguous sp lol.

4) We now have some gohuld systems that we can enjoy learning from

5) We now know how to make naquadria



PS when the heck we gonna start fighting super soldiers again

Posted by: Kromando33 Jan 24th 2004, 4:34 AM

Posted by: Chrominium Jan 24th 2004, 6:19 AM

BTW, Egeria was the -only- one to change her offspring's memories and personality traits (S6E10 Cure). The other Gao'uld has no choice but to pass all their memories into their offspring thus inherentely born evil (Because of the genetic memories as mentioned by Harsisis, S4E17 Absolute Power).

Anubis has only recently found out how to do it because of mind probing Jonas as he knew about Egeria (S7E12 Evolution II), and so creating his mass army of super Gao'uld soldiers.

It seems like a very wierd episode. Daniel got fustrated with Diplomacy, Jack saved the diplomacy, Teal'c has no patients, Gao'uld has a trait of goodness in her?

Posted by: Aesir Jan 24th 2004, 6:19 AM

Posted by: Lit Gal Jan 24th 2004, 12:08 PM

I watched it last night, and I have to agree with everyone else who was disappointed that the goa'uld died. She clearly had aspirations of greatness ("So much for my empire"), but she also had feelings for Jonas. We have seen goa'uld love before -- Osiris wants his queen and obviously had a reputation for being a little whipped by the little woman, and Apophis cries out for Amonet (sp) on his death bed. Even Kianna said that she was surprised that she could have feelings for a *human*, but she doesn't say she's surprised to feel love. I would have liked to see Jonas trying have a relationship with a woman who had equal parts love for him and desire to build an empire. That would have kept him busy

I thought the Jack - Daniel interactions were a little off. I can't even put my finger on it, but most of the time I adore any scene where these two are talking to each other, and they seemed a little snippy and the scenes were a little unsatisfying. I can't believe I'm saying this about my beloved Danny-boy, but he seemed a little condescending toward Jack. Usually Jack is the father-figure / older brother in this relationship, so Daniel lecturing Jack about how diplomacy works didn't work for me.

Posted by: Hathor Jan 24th 2004, 6:16 PM

i thoroughly enjoyed this episode.far better than grace was .it was good to see jonas again. ough i would've liked to have seen more of that go'auld. she asn't so bad as some. had interest in jonas. coul have proveed very inerseting if her character had been continued. it was fun seeing the mixture of kelonan and more advnanced technology. I did think something was up with kianna right away though. it just didn't seem like they would bring her in otherwise. then when she injects herself, i was like. definietly some go'auldish highjinks.

Posted by: Virus0486 Jan 24th 2004, 8:31 PM

I didnt like this episode. I think that those countries are going to fight each other again, take the Stargate, and go to another planet.

Posted by: SyStEm_LoRd Jan 24th 2004, 9:14 PM

fallout scores 4/5 for me!.. actually 4.5/5 so 9/10 would of been better if baal actually came to the planet. and we saw a little fight.. but o well

Posted by: Sigil Jan 24th 2004, 10:52 PM

Personally, I loved this episode. It harkened back to the older episodes. I liked the human element; a lot of the more recent episodes have lacked that. I especially liked the 'semi-good' gou'ald. I really, really disliked the statement that the Tok'ra were merely a genetic defect. I much prefer the idea that the gou'ald are not innately evil. Then again, I don't really like the idea of anything being innately evil.

Like others, I wish the gou'ald had lived. That would have made an interesting set of circumstances for Jonas to have to work out.

Posted by: Chrominium Jan 25th 2004, 2:41 PM

Posted by: WMCoolmon Jan 25th 2004, 2:49 PM

Posted by: Lit Gal Jan 25th 2004, 3:20 PM

I totally agree. I find pure evil for evil's sake boring, and I like the idea of a goa'uld who IS still a goa'uld having feelings for a human. She still has the drive for power and empire-building , but with everyone on the planet knowing that she's goa'uld, she can hardly get power in the normal ways. Would she do good acts in order to earn trust (which is a type of power)? Would she give up on ambition in favor of love ? Would she eventually leave Jonas even though she loves him in an attempt to build her empire? Would she drag Jonas off on her trip to achieve power? Would she try and move Jonas into a position of political power so that she can share his power as the wife of a powerful politician? The writers could have done sooooo much with this goa'uld, and they just killed her so that they wouldn't leave the story line hanging.

RDA missed an opportunity here because I could have lived with one or two episodes without him at all if they wanted to base a couple of follow up episodes on Jonas and his goa'uld girl. You could even have some nice Daniel - Jonas interactions. I can see Daniel (with his history with goa'uld girls) giving Jonas some advice. Oh so many possiblities, and they are all lost

Posted by: Sam's Sister Jan 25th 2004, 6:42 PM

Such a lot of interesting comments here. I share many of the opinions expressed. I especially think it is a lost opportunity not to have Kianna's symbiote (did it have a name of its own?) live. It would be much more interesting to see what could have developed with a "good" Goa'uld as a character. Life is not all black and white, after all, so an ambiguous character would make things more interesting.

As for how Kianna could be less evil than the other Goa'ulds, I like a lot of the theories suggested here. I want to add one: perhaps Kelownan biochemistry is less susceptible to full control by the Goa'uld symbiote. We know that Kelownans are different because of Nirrti's study of Jonas -- she expressed a lot of interest in him because of that. But perhaps that difference also allows more of the host to survive and even influence the symbiote? Just a thought.

As for any Sam/Kianna rivalry, I just think this is pure nonsense from the Sam point of view. Kianna was clearly nervous about Sam, for the reasons already mentioned in earlier posts, but Sam was just playfully teasing Jonas about his relationship with Kianna -- remember that they had exchanged words about his interest in a nurse in a season 6 episode. It reminds me of that.

Someone here commented that they thought the drill just seemed too coincidentally available for the task at hand. But don't forget that the Kelownans were in the business of mining their Naquadah, so having a huge power drill would be something they quite logically would develop.

I did notice that they seem to be showing a lot more skin this season -- especially all those biceps, both male and female (since when did we associate archeologists with body building?). Oh, and cleavage...wait 'til you see Sam in Chimera. Used to be that the only revealing dress came from the over-the-top Goa'ulds or an occasional Tok'ra. Hmmm, must be about ratings. Use it or lose it?

As for Jonas' hair and clothing, I just think it is interesting how many styles he's had since we first met him on Kelowna in season 5. Official Kelownan uniform and GQ haircut, Sg1 fatigues and military cut, Kelownan mish-mash and 60s mop-top cut. Reflects his character's openess to new things, I suppose.

Overall, I really liked this episode. It was nicely balanced with all those things we love about Stargate. Looking forward to more of the season.

Posted by: Chrominium Jan 26th 2004, 8:22 AM

The thing is, in a story like this, Keanna Gao'uld has to die. Yes, it would have opened up more storylines (BTW, they are tying up lose end in preparation for the final series), but that's not the point of the story.

It was to make us feel sympathetic to the Gao'uld. If she would have stayed alive and the host died, it wouldn't have the same effect. At the end of this episode, we are left with the question - Why did she saved the host, thus sacrificng herelves like a Tokra.

Her dying effectively made us question ourselves about the intensity of evil within the Gao'uld. If she had not died, her evilness would have remained more intact. I believe this episode will have consequence to what is to come - a beginning of a new friendship with non-Tokra Gao'uld?

Posted by: WMCoolmon Jan 26th 2004, 10:14 PM

The problem is, she just chose to not kill her host. It wasn't even said that she suffered, just that she died. From what we know, she suffered more when she climbed into the tunnel and chose the possibility of death to turning back; and once she got down to the bottom, she seemed pretty fatalistic. I don't think it was an act or else she wouldn't have made the "so much for my empire" comment.

Now that she has died, we don't know whether she really is evil or not; just that she isn't sadistic. You could say that everything in the story was simply her trying to build an empire, then she decided there was no reason to purposefully kill the host...as that way, she could feel satisfaction in that Ba'al wouldn't find out about the Naquidah by sending another agent.

Posted by: Heru'ur Jan 27th 2004, 12:46 AM

Clearly this is a big mystery. Why the goa'uld inside Keanna decided to sacrifice itself to save Keanna, instead of reporting her findings to Ba'al or exposing the Colonians. Perhaps this was a rare case of simply a goa'uld turning to the good side, becoming one like the Tok'ra. Or perhaps it was a Tok'ra after all. Imposing as a goa'uld.

Posted by: Aesir Jan 27th 2004, 8:41 AM

Posted by: Chrominium Jan 27th 2004, 10:48 AM

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Posted by: Lit Gal Jan 27th 2004, 6:54 PM

Posted by: mithwriter Jan 29th 2004, 7:01 PM

While it was cool to see Jonas again and his planet...and that cool CGI shot of the drill on its platform , the character problems with the ambassadors and Kianna were too much for me ignore, even though I really like how we found out how naquadria was made on that planet.

Its one thing to have bickering delegates, but don't insult my intelligence by making them one-note caricatures that were so obviously set up as verbal punching bags and laughing stocks for both SG1 and the audience. They were given no redeemable qualities, especially that...well....b*tch who wanted an entire planet for her own people.

To paraphrase O'Neill..."Oh please, who talks/acts like that?" I realize that they were probably written like that so there would be no chance of reconciliation, perhaps just for the sake of that single line of dialogue from O'Neill that everyone here likes so much. I mean sure, I like it too, its a funny line. But c'mon already.

The other problem I had was with Kianna. They made her too indespensable to the digging's success (designs and modifies the drill, then saves the planet by climbing into the tunnel).

Carter is there because she's the brain, yet Kianna's goa'uld has better knowledge of the system they're using. Teal'c is only there to 'keep an eye' on Kianna since she's a Goa'uld, yet besides having a communications device in her posession, she demonstrates no behavior that would lead anyone to believe she's a danger to the project. If anything she wants it to succeed, even if its for her own needs.

The bottom line is that once those four people were inside the drill, the only conflict came from having mechanical problems and the proverbial 'ticking clock' of an impending naquadria explosion that urged them to complete their mission. There was no chance of sabatoge, no chance that Kianna would perhaps change her mind at a crucial point and suddenly refuse to help.

And then to top it off....she's the one who crawls into the tunnel and saves the world? 'scuse me? Was there an "S" (Super Goa'uld!) on her chest somewhere and I missed it? Oh yes, and then she dies at the end and Jonas gets her girlfriend back who isn't really his girlfriend since the Goa'uld was in charge the whole time...how freaky is that?

Posted by: WMCoolmon Jan 29th 2004, 7:22 PM

Posted by: Martijn Feb 2nd 2004, 8:05 PM

Not only does this episode lift the entire plot out of The Core but the female Gould also has to look like Hillary Swank in that movie:


Hillary Swank in The Core


Emily Holmes in Stargate SG-1: 714 - Fallout

I don't mind, because she looks very sexy just like I think Hillary does.

Still I hope this doesn't mean they're TOTALLY into ripoff mode now.

Posted by: Aesir Feb 3rd 2004, 4:32 AM

Posted by: Lezlow Mar 12th 2004, 9:05 AM

This episode was very cool. I enjoyed the suspence story line and the whole drill idea. I thought it was even cooler how they explained in detail about how th edrill works. I like the idea that the goa'uld helps in the end and actually went through 100% with helping without fudging anything up. Very cool. Oh i like the crystals to. Very creative writers. Def a good job. Also good to see Jonas again. Even though he has the shaggy (from scooby doo) going on there.

Posted by: datag Mar 26th 2004, 12:15 AM

I really liked this episode because it shows that maybe there is hope that the evil goul'd can eventually turn to the good tokra

Posted by: Mac.Fan Apr 26th 2004, 6:37 AM

It was good to see Jonas again, but he needed SG1 help. Sam was able to work out that the women working with Jonas is a goa'uld She diside to help them in the end and the snake gave it's life to save the women. I think this is the first time a goa'uld snake gave up it's life to save the host.

Posted by: x-304 Jun 15th 2004, 8:47 AM

i wonder what would have happened if the gou'ld had servived, i meen it obviously like jonas a lot so i wonder if it would make a device - with the help of the tokra, that works like the chest plate thing the tollans have (blue = host, red = gou'ld)
+ in tok'ra part one it is explained whatever one feels the other does aswell.

Posted by: Dafmeister Jul 17th 2004, 5:48 AM

I watched this ep again yesterday and noticed soemthing that the Goa'uld in Kiana said. When the Goa'uld was talking it said 'My symbiote will protect me'. Surely if the Goa'uld was speaking it should have said something 'I can protect my host's body'.

Posted by: Sam's Sister Jul 17th 2004, 6:28 PM

I've been thinking more and more about the "good" Goa'uld scenario. I have another theory that I think we often overlook. We've been told that it is the sarcophagus that helps to make the Goa'uld so evil and grasping. So it makes sense that the System Lords have become so bad. But there are obviously young Goa'uld who might be placed in young hosts and have never needed the sarcophagus at all (yet). Surely some of these are more like the Tok'ra in their mentality. And if the different biochemistry of the Kelownans is accounted for, too, it might explain why Kianna was not quite as evil as the others. Of course, she was out to get things for herself, too, so she was still a Goa'uld (hmm, like humans and Kelownans aren't like that at all!).

Posted by: x-304 Jul 24th 2004, 11:09 AM

that may be but they have genetic memory and with this they have the memory's of a 100 hitlers

Posted by: adobeman2005 Aug 30th 2004, 4:01 AM

Sounds interesting

Posted by: Dafmeister Aug 31st 2004, 7:49 AM

Posted by: Cuokuo Sep 17th 2004, 10:22 PM

i was just watching this episode again since it only just aired in australia and noticed wat could possibly be a blooper in the script

The chick gould (cant remember her name) said when she voluteered to go down and drop the bomb off

"My symbiote will heal my" (or something alongs the lines of that)

does that line seem odd, since she's technically speaing in the third person. ie, she is the symbiote/gould

Posted by: laurab Sep 27th 2004, 7:11 PM

I haven't seen this episode, just the pics from this site & 'gate world'.
I HAVE to say this- what's with Jonas's hair??
I liked it the way it was in season 6, but by the first episode in this season, he's starting to get that hair doo....
It reminds me of a hair doo someone would wear in the 70's.
All the cast members change throughout the seasons- Carter's hair is put in a different style....
and Teal'c has hair in season 8.
Also, when do they decide on the name for the X-303 (one first seen in 'Prometheus')? Coz the following episode, 'Unnatural Selection', Carter & O'Neill talk about names for it (O'Neill had suggested 'Enterprise', but Carter didn't like it that much, then she suggested Promethus (after the name of the project in which the ship was made) and then they agreed to call it 'X-303'- but then in season 7/8, its called 'Prometheus'. Did they end up agreeing on what to call it?

Posted by: LuvThatShanks Oct 29th 2004, 3:31 PM

I wanted so much to like this episode more than I did. It was great to see Corin Nemec again but his hair was frankly alarming. The actor has a great face but it relies on being able to see that face.

The story spends too much time with the bickering diplomats. Honestly, they made me despair for that world more than Ba'al ever could. He'd bring destruction, enslavement and death. The diplomats are all shown as being incapable of ever learning a darned thing. Either way Jonas' home planet seems to be screwed. So there goes Jonas back to be the sacrificial lamb for his world again. It was as unsatisfying as his original exit.

Kianna was too puzzling and unevenly written. She really needed two minutes of exposition to help counter balance. She has come to "admire" her host, she obviously cares for Jonas and makes a point of telling him that it was the Goa'uld he has been having a relationship with for however long.

She seems brave so there's no way of knowing what she was planning on doing with her "empire" (it seemed to be implied that she was rebelling against Ba'al). Honestly, a few moments less of "Our shields our failing!" "Our engines are failing!" drill stuff and a bit more of an explanation about what the heck this Goa'uld is supposed to be.

She isn't evil to the (pardon the pun) core. She is willing to save that world and seems to go down there knowing that she will probably die. It is only when Jonas urges her to make an effort and come back up that she tries.

They had a fascinating concept with Kianna but too much was left unexplained about her for her to be a satisfying character. As it was she makes next to no sense when it comes to Goa'uld canon.

Then Jonas is left to toddle on back to manage the preschoolers that rule the various areas on his home planet (which really does have great sets) with the admirable host (who Jonas has actually never met without the symbiote) . To top the "what a waste of an opportunity" couldn't there have been a death scene for Kianna's Goa'uld? Instead, nope, she mystifyingly sacrifices her own life. She was a Goa'uld enigma and whereas that's great in all of the discussion and possibilities it could have sparked in the end it was just a flat redux of "She died to save me." Not actually entirely accurate. She ends up dying to save that entire planet, essentially to help Jonas more than anything.

It's like a great story that almost was but in the end as the credits rolled I was simply scratching my head that they came that close with an new, interesting Goa'uld spin and just dropped it like lead.

Posted by: wonderland Oct 29th 2004, 5:28 PM

Right back at ya, LuvThatShanks, I could not get into this episode at all. There was no spark between that gal and Jonas, snooze, snooze. I frankly couldn't have cared less if she lived, died, was taken by a goa'uld, fell in a big, deep hole.
What a waste of what might have been a nice appearance by Corin. If I had been Jonas and they wanted me to come back to my home planet with this bunch of morons, they would have had to drag me kicking and screaming through the gate. I believe I would have preferred taking my chances with a goa'uld.

Posted by: xayeidemon Nov 6th 2004, 1:42 PM

Okay, am I the only person who liked Jonas's hair? I thought it was cute. He looked kind elfin. All he needed were the pointy ears and some body glitter.

Posted by: Krystian SG1 Nov 14th 2004, 10:11 PM

When they reached the point where their ship stoped and they made a small tunnel the rest of the way down to the faltline, why didn't they activated the bomb and drop it? It would have been easier then letting someone go down all that way.

Posted by: scjon Nov 15th 2004, 12:23 PM

Posted by: Dafmeister Nov 15th 2004, 2:48 PM

Posted by: invisible painting Nov 15th 2004, 3:47 PM

Piece of general information: throwing explosive bombs down a diagonal tube is a bad idea.

Posted by: Krystian SG1 Nov 15th 2004, 7:46 PM

I think they'll be smart enuogh to surround it with something that will soften the fall, so it didn't break or explode on impact. But, if they wouldn't, they would drive to the surface at full speed at soon as they droped it.

Posted by: Evo Nov 16th 2004, 9:18 AM

Just finished this episode. In my opinion, it was great. It was nice to finally see Jonas in a relationship, however it was a Go'auld but that ended. However when they were drilling into the planet, what they could have done was show more of the drilling, that would have been cool. At least the writers were cool to bring back Jonas, they should do more of that.. After all, Jonas did appear in all episodes of Season 6, they can't just cut him off that easily.. I'm sending a complaint.

Posted by: Dr Sam Jan 17th 2005, 7:35 AM

Great episode. We get Jonas back (yay! ) and there was enough Jack to not make his absence too obvious as well. Good story and nice twists to the plot. A nice Goa'uld?? Just when you think you've got the hang of things...

The politicians drove me nuts - serve them right that Earth/Madronas withdraw the offer of help.

One thing - couldn't Jonas have taken a pair of jeans back with him when he went? Or even BDUs! Anything has to be better than whatever it was he was wearing!! Normally I don't bother with stuff like that - I concentrate on the story - but I have to admit that Jonas' hair and fashion sense are a little hard to ignore, especially as Corin Nemec is damn good looking!!

I too would like to know how Jonas and Kianna get on...And I still wish he could have stayed in the show.

Posted by: PokeThePuddle Jan 26th 2005, 7:32 PM

Your world is about to blow up. Let's see, I think ill sit around and talk to others about the problem and not do anything to say myself... Politician are weak of mind! and resolve.


And yeye... just when you thought Jonas wasn't the same as Daniel, they gave Jonas a 'Sarah' albeit a short span of time. This leads me to conclude that Jonas is Daniel and vise versa, except MS is better.


This episode is disturbing. Don't get me wrong--this is a great episode. The Goa'uld voice with a panting female makes it seem she's sort of enjoying it.

Posted by: Heru-ER Jun 15th 2005, 11:32 AM

This episode remind me THE CORE, but bad they dont show how the drill is moving beneath the earth, I cannt believe tha t GOauld Spy of BAAL did a good thing for the planet

Posted by: Ringbearer Jun 15th 2005, 6:14 PM

I just saw that one today for the first time and i really liked it.Very good. I don't understand the difference between. nequadria(or however u spell it) and nequadra(or however u spell it)

other words great show and cool goa'uld. I like it when the goa'uld do that.

and Jonas looked great in that hair style.

Posted by: Dafmeister Jun 15th 2005, 6:22 PM

Posted by: Ringbearer Jun 15th 2005, 6:25 PM

Naquada is more stable that Naquadria, but provides a lot less power. The Naquadria is the reason why hyperdrives could be placed in the X-302's. As the Naquadria provided more power, the hyperdrives could be miniturised.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jun 15th 2005, 9:21 PM

Corin Nemic hair is horrendious. All the more so since it is identical to the goa'uld in Ba'al servous.

Posted by: Ringbearer Jun 15th 2005, 11:00 PM

Corin Nemic hair is horrendious. All the more so since it is identical to the goa'uld in Ba'al servous.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jun 16th 2005, 2:56 AM

You seriously didn't noticed that it was identical to the goa'uld. EK. Even the director said that he was shocked when CN showed up for the first day of filming. EK I mean ok ok. Nice hair but geeeze not when it is identical to a woman who is also guest staring wih you.

Posted by: Ringbearer Jun 20th 2005, 5:22 PM

You seriously didn't noticed that it was identical to the goa'uld. EK. Even the director said that he was shocked when CN showed up for the first day of filming. EK I mean ok ok. Nice hair but geeeze not when it is identical to a woman who is also guest staring wih you.

Posted by: god of war Feb 23rd 2006, 10:22 AM

This episode was a little slow
and that had to be the niceset snake that i have ever seen
a little strange
it would have made more sence to be a tokra

Posted by: Dafmeister Feb 23rd 2006, 11:10 AM

QUOTE(god of war @ Feb 23rd 2006, 3:22 PM)