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Stargate Information Archive _ Atlantis Season 3 _ 308 - McKay and Mrs. Miller
Posted by: Arcady Aug 27th 2006, 7:39 PM
Posted by: Aazadan Sep 8th 2006, 9:58 PM
Decent episode, really didn't see that ZPM depletion coming.
Posted by: toolazytothinkofanoriginalname Sep 8th 2006, 10:01 PM
omg, rodneys name is merideth
was that carters house from "ascension"?
Posted by: danielfan Sep 8th 2006, 10:01 PM
I enjoyed it more than sg1. Cute episode. Loved Rodney being jealous of Rod.
Posted by: lingling Sep 8th 2006, 10:03 PM
Yes, that took me by surprise as well. All in all it was a good ep. I think it was better than SG-1.
I like McKays real name 
Posted by: JTMAG1 Sep 8th 2006, 10:03 PM
LEATHER JACKETS FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!
We get 3 ships and they're gone... we get a brand new ZPM and we lost it. That's terrible. Now we know they have to find another powersource somewhere, because the city is defensless. No shield, no chair, no cloak.
Although Ronan wasn't in the ep much, he seemed to be a lot more personable when they did show him. I couldn't find a good reason for Sam to be in this ep. She was kinda just there so that we knew it was a cross over.
All and all, I'm not sure whether or not I liked this ep. I will have to watch it again.
Posted by: Protoziggy90 Sep 8th 2006, 10:09 PM
This was a pretty good episode. Better than SG-1 tonight by far. Great humor moments, especially "Meredith." ZPM depletion was pretty interesting, but:
Posted by: Sylver Sep 8th 2006, 10:20 PM
I did enjoy the episode, though ?Rod? creeped me out. I kept expecting him to be working for the Wraith or Ori or something equally evil. Is it strange that I think overly nice = evil? Also not entirely sure that depleting the ZPM wasn?t what Rod had in mind all along. But that might be the overly nice thing coming into play again.
As for the science of the episode, what about the cascading effect? If people from an alternate universe can?t inhabit the same dimension where their counterpart in this dimension is alive, then wouldn?t Rod be feeling that, since Rodney is clearly still alive?
Not entirely sure I buy the whole Sheppard as Mensa?too weird.
I really liked Rodney?s (Meredith, lol, too damn funny!:rotflmao: ) interaction with his sister. It added a dimension to him that?s been shown before, such as the bumbling-but-brilliant-once-I make-a-mistake-I ignore-it. And then 4 years pass and my niece is having her first ballet recital. It was a touching reunion.
I couldn?t hear the very end, what did Sheppard say about Teyla having the hots for someone? Or did I miss understand completely?
Posted by: JTMAG1 Sep 8th 2006, 10:27 PM
I did enjoy the episode, though ?Rod? creeped me out. I kept expecting him to be working for the Wraith or Ori or something equally evil. Is it strange that I think overly nice = evil? Also not entirely sure that depleting the ZPM wasn?t what Rod had in mind all along. But that might be the overly nice thing coming into play again.
As for the science of the episode, what about the cascading effect? If people from an alternate universe can?t inhabit the same dimension where their counterpart in this dimension is alive, then wouldn?t Rod be feeling that, since Rodney is clearly still alive?
Not entirely sure I buy the whole Sheppard as Mensa?too weird.
I really liked Rodney?s (Meredith, lol, too damn funny!:rotflmao: ) interaction with his sister. It added a dimension to him that?s been shown before, such as the bumbling-but-brilliant-once-I make-a-mistake-I ignore-it. And then 4 years pass and my niece is having her first ballet recital. It was a touching reunion.
I couldn?t hear the very end, what did Sheppard say about Teyla having the hots for someone? Or did I miss understand completely?
I assumed that the cascade effect was going to be the reason that Rod couldn't stay.
Our Sheppard passed the MENSA exam, he just never joined up.
Sheppard said that Teyla had a crush one of the new marines.
Posted by: Sylver Sep 8th 2006, 10:34 PM
Out Sheppard passed the MENSA exam, he just never joined up.
Did he? I must've missed that part. But if it was in S1, I watched but didn't pay too much attention, so it probably skipped by me.
Sheppard said that Teyla had a crush one of the new marines.
Ah. Gotcha. Thanks.
Posted by: JTMAG1 Sep 8th 2006, 10:39 PM
Did he? I must've missed that part. But if it was in S1, I watched but didn't pay too much attention, so it probably skipped by me.
Ah. Gotcha. Thanks.
I don't remember exactly what ep, but Shep knew the answer to a question and Rodney asked how he knew the answer and he said it was on the MENSA exam. Rodney told him about a chapter on Atlantis... Rod's comments were alluding to that conversation in the previous ep.
Posted by: toolazytothinkofanoriginalname Sep 8th 2006, 10:42 PM
back in season 1 when they find the zpm and the genii take it, then the brotherhood of the pendoza thing took it back, sheppard said he took the test
Posted by: Aazadan Sep 8th 2006, 10:59 PM
In other points Shepard has mentioned he could have been in if he wanted. In The Brotherhood all that was really revealed was that Shepard took the test. In a later episode he said "Could have been MENSA" which implied he passed the test rather than simply took it.
Posted by: toolazytothinkofanoriginalname Sep 8th 2006, 11:19 PM
hes not a member, because rodney asked something like "you're a member" and he said something like "no, i took the test"
Posted by: Aazadan Sep 8th 2006, 11:33 PM
Right, he took the test and passed, not a member though,
Posted by: sg1JaffaJoo Sep 8th 2006, 11:37 PM
"Your name is Meredith?"
It was a pretty good episode. As usual, I have trouble keeping up with the techno-babble, especially when it's coming from 2 mckays. I really like Rodney's sister, hopefully we'll see her again. I love how she gets under his skin...very sisterly of her. I have an older brother as well, so I can relate.
I never thought I would see Rodney...er...Meredith 
cry. It was kind of touching. I dunno, I liked the alternate McKay, but it was kind of weird. I was always expecting him to do something...um...our-mckay-ish. But no...it was refreshing, but I still like our mckay better for some reason.
Hey, is this the first time we've seen the whole...lunchroom (whatever it's name is)? I've just never seen that much of it in one shot.
Posted by: LyaOfTheNox Sep 9th 2006, 2:32 AM
SO MUCH LOVE 
I am so glad that both episodes tonight rooooocked!! (sorry, they just ended so you can tell I'm still rather enthusiastic) Lately, I've been rather bummed over both SG-1 and Atlantis episodes, but this friday was a good end to a very trying week (college just started 
)
As soon as I saw the first spoilers for this episode I couldn't wait for it. Dude, two Mckays, Kate Hewlett, and Radek, what else could you possibly want? 
cry. It was kind of touching.I really, really, can't believe I don't remember that part! When did he cry!? Was it accually crying or just tearing up? *smacks head* how did I miss that?!
Lol, I thought that too, at times. "OMG, he's too nice, he's working for the Genii!!"
His smile got really creepy as the episode went on. I thought the ending was just TOO SWEET
awwwww, team bonding! They do love Mckay! I'm a sucker for that kind of stuff, even Ronon joined in. Also, I didn't see the depletion of the ZPM, that suprised me. What are they going to do for power now? OMG my poor babies! Stuck in another galaxy with only the Daedalus, at the mercy of evil, life-sucking vampires! P.S. OMGSQUEE!!!111ONEONE!!ELEVEN!!!11! to the name Meredith. Rock on! XP
Posted by: Lagger Sep 9th 2006, 2:34 AM
funneh moments..
and i always thought it was a zpm creator, or something along those lines ;)
sad to see no more zpm... imagine if just a few wraith darts come now 
Posted by: Remco Sep 9th 2006, 4:17 AM
Their ZPM is depleted and they send their only defense back to earth to bring someone home?!?! o_O
Posted by: WaterDweller Sep 9th 2006, 8:02 AM
Their ZPM is depleted and they send their only defense back to earth to bring someone home?!?! o_O
They have to travel between the galaxies anyways, in order to complete the galactic bridge (of stargates).
Posted by: deadulus101 Sep 9th 2006, 8:07 AM
good episode. lots of funny moments between rodney and his sister espically when he beams her onto the ship for the first time. I totally did not see the depletion of the zpm coming and when it happened I was oh crap what are they gonna do now.
Posted by: sg1JaffaJoo Sep 9th 2006, 9:07 AM
As soon as I saw the first spoilers for this episode I couldn't wait for it. Dude, two Mckays, Kate Hewlett, and Radek, what else could you possibly want?
I really, really, can't believe I don't remember that part! When did he cry!? Was it accually crying or just tearing up? *smacks head* how did I miss that?!
that was really his sister?!?! That's friggin' awesome! No wonder the acting was done so well um it was when he was making up with his sister near the end, probably right before he took her back to earth...I guess, I don't really remember all that well. He just teared up, he didn't cry, but in my book, that's crying.
Posted by: Sighfienerd Sep 9th 2006, 11:53 AM
that was really his sister?!?! That's friggin' awesome! No wonder the acting was done so well No, really? Was that actress his sister? I thought in that scene where they were walking down a corridor going at each other, that they could've been in real life because their interaction as brother and sister was so believable!
Posted by: Subfer Sep 9th 2006, 12:21 PM
that was really his sister?!?! That's friggin' awesome! No wonder the acting was done so well um it was when he was making up with his sister near the end, probably right before he took her back to earth...I guess, I don't really remember all that well. He just teared up, he didn't cry, but in my book, that's crying.
Yes she is really his sister, her name is Kate Hewlett
Posted by: DrM007 Sep 9th 2006, 1:18 PM
Yes she is really his sister, her name is Kate Hewlett
Don't get me wrong, I loved this episode, but what was it's point really? To deplete ZPM?
Meredith Rodney McKay. His first name? How is that possible not to come up before?
Bro-sis moments were great:
-We're at war.
-Did you start it?
-Huh, first a solar system and now an universe?
And Rodney about Rod: "We're not keeping him." Like a pet...
So, now we are recruiting civilians just like that? Ok, I'll play along.
I absolutely loved how Shep just kept standing in the gateroom with his finger pointing at Rodney when he found out his first name while everybody else already went away...
Ronon killed with: "...Oh, that happened to you."
Lot beter than this week's SG-1.
Posted by: KillerMarv Sep 9th 2006, 1:44 PM
Heh, this episode was freakin' beautiful... McKay's life finally explored and, like what... Jeanie proved even smarter than both Rodney and Carter...
Hey, they said that they almost finished the inter-galactic bridge. I think that it's going to be used in the mid-season two parter. And no ZPM anymore? I wonder how will they get another one... 
Posted by: deadulus101 Sep 9th 2006, 2:25 PM
dunno but they'll get a zpm just in the nick of time.
Posted by: Protoziggy90 Sep 9th 2006, 2:26 PM
As far as a new ZPM goes, I'm still going with:
Posted by: kingpet Sep 9th 2006, 4:18 PM
its a shame with the "near infinite power" failure. I suspect they would never do it cause that would give the good guys SIGNIFICANT advantage over the wraith. Perhaps painting a big bulls eye on the SGA for the Genii/Asurans to see?
i cant help but the wonder that the alternate McKay took the route of "being like everyone else to be cool" rather than "just go in your own little corner with the other nerds" that this McKay took.
i have the admit that last scene with Hewett and his sis was emotional. I'd imagine it had some personal emotions b/t them in there as well.
ummm, if there are asgards checking the math, why didnt THEY do the research about this? And if they tried and failed, how does the earthlings figure they could do any better? Oh well, better try than to just admit defeat.
Posted by: Sylver Sep 9th 2006, 4:38 PM
i cant help but the wonder that the alternate McKay took the route of "being like everyone else to be cool" rather than "just go in your own little corner with the other nerds" that this McKay took.
Yeah, I agree. I think that's why he learned golf, to not only make friends with his Sheppard, but to also make brownie points with him, also. It seemed like whatever the other people in his world enjoyed, he made the point of liking it as well so that 'people would like him'. But lol on our McKay's "People don't like me?"
Posted by: tauri129 Sep 9th 2006, 4:42 PM
"he blew up a solar system" "MEREDITH!" *whacks* "it was uninhabited!" 
i loved the brother/sister funness. alternate rodney was too perfect. he was just wierd. i did love that last scene between mckay and his sis. i like her and i hope they bring her character back.
As for the science of the episode, what about the cascading effect? If people from an alternate universe can?t inhabit the same dimension where their counterpart in this dimension is alive, then wouldn?t Rod be feeling that, since Rodney is clearly still alive?
i wondered about that too. seemed a little inconsistent with all the other AU eps we've had in stargate
I thought the ending was just TOO SWEET
awwwww, team bonding! They do love Mckay! I'm a sucker for that kind of stuff, even Ronon joined in. yes, that made me happy too. gotta love the teamliness.
Posted by: Lisa Sep 9th 2006, 7:29 PM
Erm...I hate to be a hater. But, am I the only one who found this episode just the SLIGHTEST bit lame? I mean, the solution to sending Rod back was maybe 45 seconds of the episode and was so fast and reminded me of an old Star Trek show. Carter in it was kind of...eh. I mean, I love her, but I hate when they have crossovers that they don't really need to have one. I thought the episode was going to have more of a focus on a second McKay (at least, that's what the previews look like), but he didn't come in until the second half of the episode. *Sigh*.
But, I didn't enjoy it. Seeing Rodney (haha, Meredith) react to how everyone basically doesn't like him as much as they liked Rod, and the team always having breakfast without him. Wow. Well, I'm a Rodney lover. I mean, I used to hate his character. But, he's honestly really grown on me.
And bringing in Kate Hewlett was such a great decision. I loved her acting. And I definately wouldn't mind if her character became permanent or semi-permanent.
Posted by: FreshPez Sep 9th 2006, 8:59 PM
I liked Carter's "cute little canadian accent" line.
I'm a canadian living in america. I don't notice the US accents as much due to watching US tv all my life.
Question: Can the US viewers detect a canadian accent on McKay? I know he says Zed, anything else?
Posted by: Sylver Sep 9th 2006, 9:14 PM
I liked Carter's "cute little canadian accent" line.
I'm a canadian living in america. I don't notice the US accents as much due to watching US tv all my life.
Question: Can the US viewers detect a canadian accent on McKay? I know he says Zed, anything else?
Oy. Now I feel stupid. That's Canadian? I thought that's what it was 'really' called, a ZedPM. Not that I gave it much thought, it was just one of those things.
As in McKay called it that because he wanted to be technical and right as opposed to the rest of the group--wouldn't put it past him!
Posted by: JTMAG1 Sep 9th 2006, 9:42 PM
I liked Carter's "cute little canadian accent" line.
I'm a canadian living in america. I don't notice the US accents as much due to watching US tv all my life.
Question: Can the US viewers detect a canadian accent on McKay? I know he says Zed, anything else?
I do notice it from time to time. Especially when he say been.
For those that don't know, in Canada and certain other english speaking countries pronounce it with a strong e sound. In the US, we pronounce it more like bin.
In another ep this season I noticed Weir say it like, "Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen". It just really stood out to me.
Posted by: Lisa Sep 9th 2006, 10:35 PM
I liked Carter's "cute little canadian accent" line.
I'm a canadian living in america. I don't notice the US accents as much due to watching US tv all my life.
Question: Can the US viewers detect a canadian accent on McKay? I know he says Zed, anything else?
I don't think Canadians have accents. I think they probably pronounce English better than Americans do, is all. Haha.
Well, actually...people from Quebec kind of have a throat-y accent. But not by much.
I do notice that Canadians have phrases they use more often than Americans. Such as "you know?" or "eh?"
My chorus teacher is Canadian. It cracks me up listening to her explain music, when she sometimes ends with "They have perfect pitch, eh?"
BUT...more amusing that Carter's line was the fact that when she said "Sorry" a few seconds later, she sounded exactly the same. LOL. Oh, beauty in it all.
Posted by: Rogue Ashrak Sep 9th 2006, 11:05 PM
They needed a reason to bring Jeannie from Earth to Atlantis, and they needed someone to do it. Had to be someone with clearance and given Carter's the scientist, she was the logical choice. Plus it gave us some more of those rare McKay-Carter moments that are so much fun to watch. I had absolutely no problem with the crossover. IMO it was necessary, and done well.
I agree it would be great to see her show up again. Kudos to David for making the writers change Rodney's sibling from a brother to a sister in Letters From Pegasus, that was a good bit of foresight that paid off well.
Obviously she probably wouldn't give up her family life to go to Atlantis though. Perhaps she could move to Colorado Springs and join the SGC as part of the lab staff....wouldn't interfere with her family life as much as going to Atlantis would.
Great ep. Memento Mori was alright but this was awesome. Very nice shot of the team at the end too.
Oh and Meridith
So do you think they going to try the project again if and when they get another ZPM? It sounds like what happened was a one in a google unlucky fluke that they tapped into an inhabited paralell universe. Perhaps they can come up with a way of actually checking a universe is uninhabited before they start drawing power.
Posted by: LyaOfTheNox Sep 10th 2006, 1:24 AM
As for the science of the episode, what about the cascading effect? If people from an alternate universe can?t inhabit the same dimension where their counterpart in this dimension is alive, then wouldn?t Rod be feeling that, since Rodney is clearly still alive?
Could it have something to do with the fact that in this episode, everyone kept saying Rod was from a 'parallel universe' while in all the other episodes we've had with Quantum Mirrors and such, they always say 'alternate reality'? I have no idea what the difference between a parallel universe and an alternate reality would be, but maybe in one you get Etropic Cascade Failure and in the other you don't?
'Course I could also be completely wrong and they mean the same thing. But still, no worries right?
Oh, and as a side note about the Canadian accent thing: Yes, Canadian accents are diffrent from American accents; some more than others. It depends on the person, really. I can hear Mckay's accent sometimes, but it's not as strong as my 7th grade Science teacher's; his you could really tell.
Posted by: Lisa Sep 10th 2006, 8:56 AM
Could it have something to do with the fact that in this episode, everyone kept saying Rod was from a 'parallel universe' while in all the other episodes we've had with Quantum Mirrors and such, they always say 'alternate reality'? I have no idea what the difference between a parallel universe and an alternate reality would be, but maybe in one you get Etropic Cascade Failure and in the other you don't?
An alternate reality is a reality that is like our own, and has an infinite amount of possibilities on how your specific life turned out. Like with the Quantum mirrors. A parallel universe is one that a lot different than our own, and has a different version of your life playing out. Like...instead of Rodney being the name, the name was Rod.
Grant it, the difference is slim. But, that's what I've drawn in my own conclusions. I wish they'd specify sometimes. They manage to explain everything else in the show...
Posted by: fan_83 Sep 10th 2006, 9:52 AM
maybe because they didn't have the problem cos the rod that came over wasn;t close enough to be similar.. the carter that came over was pretty similar, and perhaps similar enough to cause the cascade efffect but this rod is too different..
or they didn;t have time to consider this problem and he wans;t here for very long..remember it took the carter a couple of day before the effect kicks in and they talked about how the more similar the reality is the faster it kicked in..
looking at this rod its pretty different..
or perhaps another theory is that the bridge is still active and thus providing a sort of sustanence for the rod and preventing the cascade effect... the carter that came over came over completely
side note: if they can find another quantum mirror, they should be able to find one that is inhabited and use that to tap into power 
surely there is some research into alternate reality in the atlantis archive
Posted by: KillerMarv Sep 10th 2006, 10:54 AM
There is absolutely no difference between alternate reality and parallel universe... Or maybe one little thing, they use to call a parallel universe also an alternate reality, when it is inhabitted. They mentioned this in the episode, when you search through infinity, the chances that you'll find an inhabitted parallel universe are very very low. Two things about the Entropic Cascade Failure:
1. There wasn't enough time for it to enable (not really likely)
2. TPTB have droped it (more likely)
Posted by: FreshPez Sep 10th 2006, 11:08 AM
I liked the episode. I wouldn't mind seeing McKay's sister once a year or so.
Regarding the accents, the americans catch me down here when I say BEEEN. Weir using it isn't that surprising, I believe the actress is Canadian. Usually the canadian actors are trained to avoid those words, she messed up I'm thinking.
I laughed when the sister said eh right in the beginning of the episode.
Posted by: ancient01 Sep 10th 2006, 11:37 AM
I cringed when I saw Rod reaching for Rodney to slap him on the shoulder. I thought, uh, oh, this is going to be bad... Then nothing??? They can't occupy the same space. If they touch, nobody's really sure what will happen, but it will be very bad. At minimum, they cancel each other out. Worst case scenerio, it's like matter and anti matter coming into contact with each other. Boom... That bothered me a bit. Is it so hard to keep them from touching? It has to be difficult from a production standpoint to have the two touch to begin with. But I digress... I actually enjoyed Kate Hewlet's acting. Overall not a bad episode. It knocks them back down to pretty much square 1 (season 1) on the technology front. I wonder how long that will last...
Posted by: KillerMarv Sep 10th 2006, 11:54 AM
I cringed when I saw Rod reaching for Rodney to slap him on the shoulder. I thought, uh, oh, this is going to be bad... Then nothing??? They can't occupy the same space. If they touch, nobody's really sure what will happen, but it will be very bad. At minimum, they cancel each other out. Worst case scenerio, it's like matter and anti matter coming into contact with each other. Boom... That bothered me a bit. Is it so hard to keep them from touching? It has to be difficult from a production standpoint to have the two touch to begin with. But I digress... I actually enjoyed Kate Hewlet's acting. Overall not a bad episode. It knocks them back down to pretty much square 1 (season 1) on the technology front. I wonder how long that will last...
This "can't ocupy the same space" thingy is from another movie. Remember how many Carters were in the same room in Ripple Effect?
Was Schwarzeneger or Van Damme playing in that movie with the time travel thingy in which there was this effect?And they are not matter and anti-matter... That would have been a great mistake from the writers. They are the same matter. So they should repel each other, not cancel each other out... So, no problem with touching each other.
Posted by: Lisa Sep 10th 2006, 2:23 PM
And they are not matter and anti-matter... That would have been a great mistake from the writers. They are the same matter. So they should repel each other, not cancel each other out... So, no problem with touching each other.
Haha. Touching each other. Hahah. I'm so immature, but that whole image just totally amused me.
Posted by: KillerMarv Sep 10th 2006, 3:24 PM
Haha. Touching each other. Hahah. I'm so immature, but that whole image just totally amused me.
Right, well... ummm... I thought of that as well... but since I was talking about physics, I though that people will notice this as well.
Actually, we are composed of the same matter, so unless it is mentioned that a specific parallel universe consists of anti-matter, than there is no reason to believe that the inhabittants of that universe are composed of different matter.
Posted by: dr lee Sep 10th 2006, 3:41 PM
Well done to DH for changing that line in 'LFP' from Brother to Sister. I think it worked so well because they were real siblings.
When McKay said 'gimme your hand' early on i knew that he was gonna beam her up to the Deadalus, I loved her reation to that when they beamed into Atlantis
One thing i noticed was the amount of mixing about that they did with the Rod/Meredith.. i mean Rodney scenes. How many times did they have one of them appear behind the other and move in front during a scene?
Not bad, Not bad at all.
I do hope that there is a way that they can bring KH back in a later episode.
9/10
Posted by: youngjediboy Sep 10th 2006, 4:08 PM
One thing i noticed was the amount of mixing about that they did with the Rod/Meredith.. i mean Rodney scenes. How many times did they have one of them appear behind the other and move in front during a scene?
Not bad, Not bad at all.
I completely agree. I was just blown away at the end with the handshake! I mean... moving in front of and behind each other is one thing... but actually physically touching, SHAKING HANDS while you can still see both Rodneys and their faces... THAT was just awesome!
Posted by: Revan Sep 10th 2006, 8:03 PM
Very good episode... not as good as SG-1, but thats okay.
I feel bad now that Meredith depleted the ZPM.
David and Kate Hewlett were superb together. They have an excellent dynamic, and I hope they bring her in again.
We had an update on the gate bridge, so its good they didn't simply drop that idea... course, now we know why it existed in the first place.... so TPTB could kill our ZPM.
Good episode, I am now even more likely to watch Stargate!
Posted by: JTMAG1 Sep 10th 2006, 8:09 PM
An alternate reality is a reality that is like our own, and has an infinite amount of possibilities on how your specific life turned out. Like with the Quantum mirrors. A parallel universe is one that a lot different than our own, and has a different version of your life playing out. Like...instead of Rodney being the name, the name was Rod.
Grant it, the difference is slim. But, that's what I've drawn in my own conclusions. I wish they'd specify sometimes. They manage to explain everything else in the show...
Like Marv said, an alternate reality and a parallel universe are just two different ways of describing the same thing.
Rod's name was exactly the same, Meredith Rodney Mckay, they both chose not to go by Meredith, but the writers were pointing out that the alternate Mckay was "cooler", so they gave him a leather jacket and called him Rod.
John Wayne's name was actually Meredith, but he changed it to something stronger.
This "can't ocupy the same space" thingy is from another movie. Remember how many Carters were in the same room in Ripple Effect?
Was Schwarzeneger or Van Damme playing in that movie with the time travel thingy in which there was this effect?And they are not matter and anti-matter... That would have been a great mistake from the writers. They are the same matter. So they should repel each other, not cancel each other out... So, no problem with touching each other.
That was Jean Claude Van Damme in 'Timecop'.
All of this talk about alternate realities is making me miss Sliders.
Posted by: Protoziggy90 Sep 10th 2006, 8:46 PM
Very good episode... not as good as SG-1, but thats okay.
Really, I thought SGA was better that night...
We had an update on the gate bridge, so its good they didn't simply drop that idea... course, now we know why it existed in the first place.... so TPTB could kill our ZPM.
I had a similar thought...
Posted by: Kate Sep 11th 2006, 12:47 AM
Excellent ep! Probably one of my favorites! Merideth! He, he, he. The team teasing Rodney about his experiences growing up! Too funny!
Posted by: rkenshin Sep 11th 2006, 2:09 AM
Thought they briefly discussed this whole bridging alternate universe thing regarding no cascading effects back in s9 of SG-1 ep 13
Posted by: KillerMarv Sep 11th 2006, 4:09 AM
All of this talk about alternate realities is making me miss Sliders.
Well, that was one of my favourites too. They used to air it over here for a couple of months about three times, and never showed it until the end. It's a good thing you reminded me... there are a couple of shows I want to get in their entirety.
Posted by: Rogue Ashrak Sep 11th 2006, 4:11 AM
The explanation there was that the realities were so close together, with such a small amount of variation between them, that the Temporal Entropic Cascade failure would not apply. That idea seems odd to me, because it seems the more variations betweeen this reality and the alternate reality, the less likely it would be that a double exists. It would mean that:
-Where doubles have crossed over from really "close" realities TEC failure will not occur
-Where doubles have crossed over from realities somewhat "futher" from our own (ie they have a higher degree of variations such as in Point of View), TEC failure will occur.
- In realities even further away from our own, the degree of variation would be so great, that there would be no double at all, therefore TEC failure wouldn't even be an issue.
This seems to indicate a small window or range of possible realities where TEC failure would come into effect....but there is a flaw in the theory as seen in Ripple Effect
At least one of the realities affected in that episode had Martouf and Janet alive. Clearly this indicates a major variation between the realities at least equal to the alternate reality in Point of View where Kawalski was still alive (and Jack was dead). Which means TEC failure should have occured with the other double team member who came through from that reality with Janet and Martouf (I assume Teal'c & Daniel).
As this didn't happen I have an alternate theory to explain the lack of the TEC failure effect in both this episode & Ripple Effect. In both instances the bridge between the realities remained open throughout the episode. Perhaps it was the fact that the doubles were in a reality still linked to their own, which protected them from the effects of TEC failure.....
Posted by: KillerMarv Sep 11th 2006, 4:16 AM
As this didn't happen I have an alternate theory to explain the lack of the TEC failure effect in both this episode & Ripple Effect. In both instances the bridge between the realities remained open throughout the episode. Perhaps it was the fact that the doubles were in a reality still linked to their own, which protected them from the effects of TEC failure.....
That may be possible. But highly unlikely that TPTB have thought of this. In Ripple Effect the doubles were worried that they would be stuck here forever without the possibility of getting back to their own universes. They didn't even mention that TEC failure was an issue to most of them, and that this will get them much before remaining here for the rest of their lives. Now, I say that TPTB simply gave up the idea of TEC failure.
Posted by: ancient01 Sep 11th 2006, 5:55 AM
That may be possible. But highly unlikely that TPTB have thought of this. In Ripple Effect the doubles were worried that they would be stuck here forever without the possibility of getting back to their own universes. They didn't even mention that TEC failure was an issue to most of them, and that this will get them much before remaining here for the rest of their lives. Now, I say that TPTB simply gave up the idea of TEC failure.
Ripple Effect bothered me, too. It just feels like a continuity problem to me... I'm working purely from memory here, but I seem to remember in "Point of View" in season 3 that the alternate Carter started getting sick because she was in the same universe as our Carter and realized that she had to go back. In general, though, I agree that the writers can do pretty much whatever they want with parallel universes. I just hope they maintain continuity... My $.02
Posted by: dr lee Sep 11th 2006, 6:25 AM
Posted by: Jade Sep 11th 2006, 7:46 AM
Can't believe all ZPM's power are depleted, that can't be good. I really hope they will get one soon!
Meredith I can understand why Mackay never mention that before!
Posted by: TheCordler Sep 11th 2006, 8:40 AM
its sad to see our only ZPM go, but imagine the the gain if Mrs. Miller, Rodney, Sam, and the asguard can manage to discern and find a universe without any life, they could then have a nearly infinite and powerful power source. While yes they did fail, they also manage to succeed in creating the Zero point energy they needed. I have a feeling that this experiment will be heard from again after more research has been properly done.
Posted by: ALIEN_JL Sep 11th 2006, 8:55 AM
It was nice to see them experimenting with new tech but damn those ZPMs are getting smaller
and smaller... At the end of the episode when they started that attempt to close the bridge that
ZPM was still over 60% full and they managed to waste all that power in a matter of seconds...
Posted by: crudman Sep 11th 2006, 10:27 AM
my opinions...
While watching the episode i always thought Rod was evil. When it got near the end i was thinkin he was gonna trick them all into sending Rodney into the other dimension.
... Now I think:
PS: Sif not just adopt SG1s mentality about 'this reality is the only reality of consequence'
Cut off the power so Rod dies, the connection severed, and with the zpm with lots of power still in it. Start up the device again ^^
Posted by: CobraBog Sep 11th 2006, 11:25 AM
This episode rocked. The most important thing about it in my opinion is that the atlantis team doesnt have a zpm anymore. Thta wil make very interesting episodes to come. But how come the zpm got depleted; they used 2,000 years of energy that fast?
Posted by: Protoziggy90 Sep 11th 2006, 3:41 PM
It seems to me that people are underestimating the amount of power that was needed for what they did... They had to destabalize and shut down a power bridge between alternate universes under sub-space... I'm sure the Ancients didn't have stuff like that in mind when they created the ZPM system.
Posted by: Lagger Sep 11th 2006, 7:00 PM
i like the he's a bad guy asurian thing...
but if he really was one... why not just blow the place to hell while he was there....??
i was thinking not, that way, but he was a bad guy, and convinced em to... send an enourmous amount of power through to their galaxy and they've taped it all and used it for themselves
Posted by: stalker0 Sep 13th 2006, 2:27 PM
In some ways I guess they had to drain the zpm, else...wouldn't they have just done the experiment again?
If they had a .000000000000000001% chance to hit an inhabited galaxy, surely you would try again. I mean the experiment seems to have worked very well other than the fact they hit an inhabited system:) so surely you would want another shot at INFINITE POWER!!!
Posted by: Pitry Sep 14th 2006, 5:46 AM
While I generally was amused by this episode, I have to say it feels like an unformed first draft where the plot isn't really figured out yet that somehow someone has mistaken it for the actual finished script.
Why can't Atlantis do both plot and characters? Either there's a plot and then no one ever notices the characters, or there's a character episode that has no plot whatsoever.
And TBH, despite being a huge McKay fan, a huge Martin Gero's episodes fan, and a bigger fan of the combination (okay, other than Duet) - I didn't even like McKay that much in this one. I'm enjoying snarkastic McKay, arrogant McKay, condescending McKay. It makes him a very flawed human, and thus a great character - not to mention the extremely amusign one-liners. - I don't mind at all Rodney having regrets, it makes him even more human - only, when that happens, can they please not do it in a teenaged schoolboy way? McKay realising how everyone likes Rod better and what a better brother he is etc etc etc just turned him into an angsty schoolboy. I'd rather my McKay (yup! He's mine! All mine, I said! *manic laughter) to be less of a boy in his angsty moments, thankyouverymuch.
I actually really enjoyed the beginning. I thought the introduction to Jeannie was lovely, I really enjoyed the Carter scene (and the "cute Canadian way" bit, bwaha) - and they actually got Jeannie awed by everything around her quite well - not to mention Kate Hewlett was terrific the entire episode, even the bad parts - but the moment they stepped into Atlantis, it became hte most simplistic, boring, obvious plot ever - or rather, a poor substitute for plot, because you can't really expect me to believe the "he's fom a parallel universe and is so much cooler than me" bit is an actual plot, no. Unless it has a cool spin to it - or is made in order to do something for the character, a-la Red Dwarf (where I loved it) - it's pointless, boring, and isn't a plot! You can't base an episode on it!
Shoudln't they have been afraid of anthropic cascade failure, anyways?...
*nitpick*
Not much to say other than that - the bit I foudn most interesting in retrospect was the depletion of the ZPM... I do hope we get to see Jeannie again, although I'd love it to be in a better episode!
Posted by: KillerMarv Sep 14th 2006, 8:08 AM
While I generally was amused by this episode, I have to say it feels like an unformed first draft where the plot isn't really figured out yet that somehow someone has mistaken it for the actual finished script.
Why can't Atlantis do both plot and characters? Either there's a plot and then no one ever notices the characters, or there's a character episode that has no plot whatsoever.
And TBH, despite being a huge McKay fan, a huge Martin Gero's episodes fan, and a bigger fan of the combination (okay, other than Duet) - I didn't even like McKay that much in this one. I'm enjoying snarkastic McKay, arrogant McKay, condescending McKay. It makes him a very flawed human, and thus a great character - not to mention the extremely amusign one-liners. - I don't mind at all Rodney having regrets, it makes him even more human - only, when that happens, can they please not do it in a teenaged schoolboy way? McKay realising how everyone likes Rod better and what a better brother he is etc etc etc just turned him into an angsty schoolboy. I'd rather my McKay (yup! He's mine! All mine, I said! *manic laughter) to be less of a boy in his angsty moments, thankyouverymuch.
I actually really enjoyed the beginning. I thought the introduction to Jeannie was lovely, I really enjoyed the Carter scene (and the "cute Canadian way" bit, bwaha) - and they actually got Jeannie awed by everything around her quite well - not to mention Kate Hewlett was terrific the entire episode, even the bad parts - but the moment they stepped into Atlantis, it became hte most simplistic, boring, obvious plot ever - or rather, a poor substitute for plot, because you can't really expect me to believe the "he's fom a parallel universe and is so much cooler than me" bit is an actual plot, no. Unless it has a cool spin to it - or is made in order to do something for the character, a-la Red Dwarf (where I loved it) - it's pointless, boring, and isn't a plot! You can't base an episode on it!
Shoudln't they have been afraid of anthropic cascade failure, anyways?...
*nitpick*
Not much to say other than that - the bit I foudn most interesting in retrospect was the depletion of the ZPM... I do hope we get to see Jeannie again, although I'd love it to be in a better episode!
Yes, I agree with some of the McKay arguements... he was different than he usually is in episodes about him. But that doesn't mean he didn't have his character developed. We seen another face of McKay, and that is a breakthrough (if you like) in his character development.
The Entropic Cascade Failure part was discussed a few posts back in this thread. There is nothing to get TPTB out of this than their ignorance for this plot part. They simply scratched ECF from existance.
Posted by: hobo_joe20 Sep 14th 2006, 8:49 AM
The Entropic Cascade Failure part was discussed a few posts back in this thread. There is nothing to get TPTB out of this than their ignorance for this plot part. They simply scratched ECF from existance.
Wouldn't be the first time ....
on the whole, great episode. However I am finding in both SG1 and Atlantis they seem to be focusing/trying too much for this whole comedy thing recently (at least in the past 2 seasons). Whatever happened to the old-school SG1 where there was inherrent danger in each episode that made it thrilling to watch ... and then occassionally throw in the 1-liners that were most likely ad-libbed anyways. Bring back the old drama and stop trying so hard to put so much comedy into the shows! ( don't get me wrong, I like it. but sometimes it seems like they're trying too hard ...)
Posted by: Pitry Sep 14th 2006, 12:53 PM
Yes, I agree with some of the McKay arguements... he was different than he usually is in episodes about him. But that doesn't mean he didn't have his character developed. We seen another face of McKay, and that is a breakthrough (if you like) in his character development.
The Entropic Cascade Failure part was discussed a few posts back in this thread. There is nothing to get TPTB out of this than their ignorance for this plot part. They simply scratched ECF from existance.
ECF - yeah, I know. I didn't have enough time to read everything the first time round but have since been educated ;) For their credit, it shoudln't kick in untiul 48 hours, so we can get bypass that by saying that the characters ignored that. Which would be stupid because at least 3 of them have read enough SG1 mission reports to know you don't mess with that.
As for Rodney - I agree he got further character development. My issue is that a) out of all the Atlantius characters, he's the only one who managed to actually get his character developed - even if by accident, and b) it's my own personal preferences but I just don't like that direction of him. I'd rather we didn't see that again. The whole heroic "no, I'll drain the ZPM in order to rescue my cooler self" got my eyes rolling, so hard they hurt ;) Thing is, it couldn have taken a differnet direction. What if Rodney only saved Rod in order not to be accused of his murder? What if he did decide to possibly save Atlantis by saving the ZPM and killing Rod? Some sort of an interesting spin..... but no. Sigh. I don't like characters that are too heroic. What I enjoy about Stargate is that the characters manage to be heroic and keep their humanity - and so far I thought they did an excellent job with McKay, but a couple more altruism streaks like that one and he'll truely turn into Ace McKay. Smoke me a kiffer?
With all my negative remarks, I forgot I actually had some good thing, other than the beginning. The bit in the end where they lie to Rodney about hating Rod and laugh at Teyla. With all the half-arsed attempts for a team moment in Sateda, it's now that I feel this team is actually a team. ;)
Oh, and yeah. I'm starting to wonder whether POaul McGillion is actually signed in for 20 episodes. C'mon, there must have been a way to find him a place in this one!
Posted by: dr lee Sep 14th 2006, 4:48 PM
I think i've found a small nitpick.
When Rodney asks why he needs to pack up his toothbrush I'm sure that Shep says 'Carter needs your help' Why would Shep call her 'Carter' and not 'Colonel Carter'?
Yeah Shep is Colonel too but still...
Did anyone else hear this or am i going wacko? 
Posted by: Protoziggy90 Sep 14th 2006, 5:23 PM
I don't think they need to be formal when they refer to her like that, and I'm sure at least someone in Atlantis knows about the whole Carter-McKay thing from back in SG-1...
Posted by: KillerMarv Sep 14th 2006, 5:24 PM
ECF - yeah, I know. I didn't have enough time to read everything the first time round but have since been educated ;) For their credit, it shoudln't kick in untiul 48 hours, so we can get bypass that by saying that the characters ignored that. Which would be stupid because at least 3 of them have read enough SG1 mission reports to know you don't mess with that.
As for Rodney - I agree he got further character development. My issue is that a) out of all the Atlantius characters, he's the only one who managed to actually get his character developed - even if by accident, and b) it's my own personal preferences but I just don't like that direction of him. I'd rather we didn't see that again. The whole heroic "no, I'll drain the ZPM in order to rescue my cooler self" got my eyes rolling, so hard they hurt ;) Thing is, it couldn have taken a differnet direction. What if Rodney only saved Rod in order not to be accused of his murder? What if he did decide to possibly save Atlantis by saving the ZPM and killing Rod? Some sort of an interesting spin..... but no. Sigh. I don't like characters that are too heroic. What I enjoy about Stargate is that the characters manage to be heroic and keep their humanity - and so far I thought they did an excellent job with McKay, but a couple more altruism streaks like that one and he'll truely turn into Ace McKay. Smoke me a kiffer?
With all my negative remarks, I forgot I actually had some good thing, other than the beginning. The bit in the end where they lie to Rodney about hating Rod and laugh at Teyla. With all the half-arsed attempts for a team moment in Sateda, it's now that I feel this team is actually a team. ;)
Oh, and yeah. I'm starting to wonder whether POaul McGillion is actually signed in for 20 episodes. C'mon, there must have been a way to find him a place in this one!
Don't worry there, Pitry, I read enough spoilers to tell you that McKay will be on the right track this season.
Also, we had a lot of character development for Elizabeth too (quite a lot), and a lot for Sheppard and enough for Ronon. We still need Teyla (big time), and of course, Carson (I mean, come on, he is one of the main characters). And man, what are they doing with Zelenka?
I think i've found a small nitpick.
When Rodney asks why he needs to pack up his toothbrush I'm sure that Shep says 'Carter needs your help' Why would Shep call her 'Carter' and not 'Colonel Carter'?
Yeah Shep is Colonel too but still...
Did anyone else hear this or am i going wacko?
Yes, I heard that too... But it wasn't a concern, because they are equal in rank. Saying Carter is the right way to adress her by, he could have used her rank, but that is not an obligation. Calling her Sam would have been much different.
Posted by: Pitry Sep 15th 2006, 1:11 PM
Don't worry there, Pitry, I read enough spoilers to tell you that McKay will be on the right track this season.
Also, we had a lot of character development for Elizabeth too (quite a lot), and a lot for Sheppard and enough for Ronon. We still need Teyla (big time), and of course, Carson (I mean, come on, he is one of the main characters). And man, what are they doing with Zelenka?
LoL, I hope you're not refering to Tao of McKay... speaking of spoilers that sound bad! I always try to keep an open mind about spoilers because often they don't reflkect the episode... and yet...
as for the development - I agree Elizabeth got great character development, so did Sheppard. He's more bareble now and God help me, Weir has not only grown on me but she's now one of my favouriute Atlantis characters... ;) But I've had a problem with the so-called development Ronon got in Sateda - I didn't feel they got out of the Ronon box yet. I felt it just re-affirmed what we already know about Ronon, rather than take the character further. And I feel that no matter how many Satedas there going to be, until he starts playing a larger part in the episodes that don't revolve him (that is, 19/20 episodes per season, it would appear), he'll never be really on the paths to development. And yes, sigh, Teyla. Why do they write characters and then compeltely and utterly ignore them? (and yeah, Carson got more attention as a recurring than he did as a regular, and I'd love for mdore insight on Zelenca! Please? *puppy eyes*)
Posted by: iamme Sep 24th 2006, 11:11 AM
Ugh, reality episodes bug me... if there are an infinite number of realities then every possible action at every point in space and time occurs. That would mean that some other reality would have tried this experiment and dumped the particles into the reality that occurs on the show. Actually, an infinite amount of them would have. Though that would ruin the plot and it is science fiction after all. I loved Sliders but if there are infinite possibilites then it would have been just as likely for them to slide into another reality that they couldnt tell apart from their own (like one where the only difference in the entire universe is that a particle on the other side of the universe is one nanometer away from where it is in the "correct" version). I guess I think too much...
Posted by: cosmos Sep 26th 2006, 2:10 PM
I don't like parallel universe episodes in general but since it's the first time for Atlantis and it has been established already from SG-1 that the world works that way, it seemed appropriate, this time.
The only thing that made absolutely no sense to me, is why they would think that given the infinite number of alternate Universes, the probability of choosing at random one that supported life is infinitesimal.
If nothing else I would have expected them to argue the exact opposite thing.
Posted by: hobo_joe20 Sep 26th 2006, 2:21 PM
I don't like parallel universe episodes in general but since it's the first time for Atlantis and it has been established already from SG-1 that the world works that way, it seemed appropriate, this time.
The only thing that made absolutely no sense to me, is why they would think that given the infinite number of alternate Universes, the probability of choosing at random one that supported life is infinitesimal.
If nothing else I would have expected them to argue the exact opposite thing.
Well, our planet happened to be in the exact right spot in the universe for life to be supported AND had the correct amount of H20/land ratio, AND the right plants grew in the water so that they would absorb enough CO2 in the air so that things could breathe on land ... a whole pile of things had to go exactly right inorder for life to form on earth. So yeah, there would be MANY more universes where life didn't evolve on earth.
Posted by: cosmos Sep 28th 2006, 2:03 PM
Well, our planet happened to be in the exact right spot in the universe for life to be supported AND had the correct amount of H20/land ratio, AND the right plants grew in the water so that they would absorb enough CO2 in the air so that things could breathe on land ... a whole pile of things had to go exactly right inorder for life to form on earth. So yeah, there would be MANY more universes where life didn't evolve on earth.
But they were not talking about Earth or any planet, or a galaxy for that matter. They are talking about a parallel cosmos. What is the probability that nowhere in the entire Universe there would be any life.?
If nothing else taking into account their own experienses in the Stargate Universe and their experience with the quantum mirror. They know that versions of themselves exist in every possible way and secondly they know of the existence of alien creatures in the galaxies. So parallel universes have pretty much as much life as any other despite differences.
Posted by: hobo_joe20 Sep 28th 2006, 2:50 PM
But given that the probability of the chances of all those things lining up correctly to produce life is extremely low, the chances that they work in our OWN universe is limited. Now take planet A with life on it, shift it a few kilometers in another universe. Now it no longer has life on it. The fact that so many things need to go right in order for there to be life simply implies that there would be many universes with no life in them (especially life which would be effected by the device).
Posted by: other guy Sep 28th 2006, 4:04 PM
This is the type of episode that makes or breaks a show.
This is the kind of story that is much more about the people than the technology. You can see that the technical part takes a very strong backseat to the people and their parts, their feelings, their interactions.
This is what makes good storytelling. Telling about the people. That's why many don't like the 2nd set of Star Wars movies because they're more about the special effects than the people involved.
And this is why it's sad that Stargate SG1 has been cancelled, because it had hit its stride with stories just like these, where you get to learn about the people, about how they think and act, about their likes and dislikes. When people would show up at Jack's home suddenly, those scenes never really worked well enough for me, because there wasn't much depth to them. The best scene of that location was when everyone shows up to get a beer, then Gen Hammond shows up to tell them he's being replaced.
By 10 years, you have come to enjoy their presence in your life. You look forward to seeing them again. You want to hear what's been going on with them, whether they've ascended again, or developed a portable artificial wormhole-making walkman. You care about what they do and what happens to them.
That's why Atlantis has the benefit of SG1's years of exprience, with writing, directing, and acting. I don't favor SG1 or Atlantis one over the other. They're different enough to be on their own. Each has a special comradery of actors which compliment each other. I find the Atlantis actors/parts to be little more quirkier than SG1. But that makes it more endearing.
This kind of episode shows that even in disastrous times, there are moments of quiet and contemplation, of peace and reflection. That there's time to address the problems of the individual rather than the population.
This is the kind of episode which makes a tv show immortal, in my thoughts. It reaches out to me, as a person, and helps me reflect upon my own life and how I function in it.
It makes me think.........
That's the sign of a good story, a good tv show.
And this episode is a perfect example of that.
Posted by: dr lee Sep 28th 2006, 4:33 PM
Other Guy i hope that you stick around as that was a cracking post.
I agree with everything you said.
Posted by: Ty_dA_maNn58 Oct 16th 2006, 2:36 PM
Good post other guy. I too agree with everything
This was a great episode. Merideth LOL, very funny. I liked how they all seemed to make fun of Rodney, I like seeing nerds get taken down a peg lol. When I first saw McKay's sister I thought she was getting some kind of subliminal message from the McKay in another Universe and he was evil. Reason I thought that:
1. The black leather jacket
2. The over played out notion that all other realities are evil
3. The obvious one-sided part that we don't know him
4. Rod sounds evil
5. HE seemed to have a evil smirk or smile on his face when he was in the room looking up at McKay, his sister, Weir, and Sheppard after he first arrived.
6. He was overly friendly, and as Ronin said 'it seems like he was hiding something'
7. When he said he contacted the Daedalus, I thought he would somehow take it over
8. He gave that thing to Rodney and said to check it to see if he made it through ok, I thought there was a tracking device that would make the Daedalus sent our McKay through instead....The old switcher-ooo
9. There is no 9th reason
10. After the lights went out, that's never a good sign, I assumed Rod put a virus in the computer or somethin.
11. "Rodney McKay and his sister compete with his alternate-reality double to save the universe" I took that as Rodney and his sister COMPETE AGAINST Rod to save our universe from Rod.
12. Didn't Rod say it was a one way trip for him? one way trips usually aren't peaceful ones, more like suicide missions
But ya this was a really good episode cuz the reflection portion of it on behalf of Rodney. He came face to face with a version of himself that everyone seemed to like better then him. It made him double geuss his actions, and he let go of the normal 'i gotta do it' style that he normally does (how he double checked the power levels of everything on the first try, when Zalinka had already done it). He let his sister push the button at the end (I can't remember her name!!) But of course there was the video that Shepard showed his sister, which shows that Rodney always had a sensitive side and wanted to talk to his sister and showed that he isn't always an _ _ _ h o l e
I thought that we were going to have two rodneys..which would of been good for two episodes or so, then you could kill off the 'evil' one. But having two of the same guys (in real-life and in storylines) takes away some of the meaning of the character, like if one died it would be like 'oh well, we got a back-up"
And on a personal note, I kind of relate to this episode cuz like Rodney I got some people who I haven't really talked to in awhile, and I make excuses about it (not as good as 'I am busy alot..in another galaxie' It just always makes an episode better if you can relate to it.
Oh and reasons I don't think Rod was evil.
1. He wasn't
2. He was lacking the traditional evil goatee
Posted by: startreksuite Oct 24th 2006, 8:17 PM
Wow! Another awesome Atlantis ep! Loved the fact that McKay has a sister who is smart as him in Physics, or at least as smart as Sam. And Rodney's first name is Meredith! And now I know what's worse than a lemon for Rodney, tofu with lemon! The alternative McKay was cool, with the Shep hair and attitude. I would love to see that other universe, a know it all Shep sounds interesting It stinks that the ZPM is tapped out. Now what are they going to do?
Posted by: kordone Oct 25th 2006, 2:06 AM
I've never heard 'Merideth' as being a male name before
It will be interesting to see if they try to develop Rodney's sister abit more next season.
Posted by: cosmos Nov 21st 2006, 5:58 PM
But given that the probability of the chances of all those things lining up correctly to produce life is extremely low, the chances that they work in our OWN universe is limited. Now take planet A with life on it, shift it a few kilometers in another universe. Now it no longer has life on it. The fact that so many things need to go right in order for there to be life simply implies that there would be many universes with no life in them (especially life which would be effected by the device).
That statement, still makes no sense to me at all. If we were to assume that all the possible different forks in the road (ie parallel realities) are a finite number up to 100,000 for example and that number covers all possibilities. Then if we take the Stargate Universe as it is now and try to calculate different realities, it would measure up to many thousands. All of which are mirror images of the current one as per the evidence by the Daniel's AU mirror. Even if we reach to the possibility that the first life on Earth didn't actually happen in an AU, and Earth didn't develop to support life, then the different forks down the road rooting from that AU would stil have thousands of mirror lives regarding the Asguard and the other aliens and all other life scattered in the cosmos as per the current model that the Stargate Universe holds.
The possibility that an AU would be created so that nowhere in the whole cosmos exists any life is improbable. My point is that it certainly is not the norm.
So the chances are that they would at random find a Universe that supports life and to suggest otherwise contradicts logic from what we have seen so far.
On another note. Great episode - with respect to Rodney's background story and character development but I sincerely hope that the writters won't produce any more AU stories. Having said that, I wouldn't mind his sister being involved in another story down the road.
Posted by: Dafmeister Dec 6th 2006, 5:24 PM
Brilliant episode, I loved everything about it. For some reason I was expecting the alternate McKay to be evil. I expected him to do something when Hermiod beamed him to Daedalus. I hope that we see Kate Hewlett in the show again.
Posted by: Pitry Dec 7th 2006, 10:02 AM
But he didn't have a beard!
Posted by: Revan Dec 7th 2006, 3:12 PM
But he didn't have a beard!
You are referring to strokable goatees?
Posted by: hobo_joe20 Dec 7th 2006, 3:22 PM
You are referring to strokable goatees?
But badass Teal'c was the coolest looking character this series has had yet! Not only was his armour cooler, but that goatee ( NOT the caterpiller ) was just awesome.
and yes, without the "goatee of DOOM" alternate MacKay was simply "cool", not evil.
Posted by: Pitry Dec 8th 2006, 4:15 PM
I';m not sure if its a beard or a goatee. can't the evil twin have a regular beard?
and yes, without the "goatee of DOOM" alternate MacKay was simply "cool", not evil.
Or maybe weevil (sorry, been enjoying Torchwood.
)
Posted by: Callum121 Dec 11th 2006, 2:53 PM
I liked this episode was pretty good not one of my favourites but intresting and was funny to watch mckay get anoyed by rod lol
Posted by: Parmenides Jan 24th 2007, 5:41 PM
Loved it!
Kate Hewlett was epic. I'd trade her for old Dave any day.
I can't believe they've depleted the ZPM. What fools! Things are going to be very interesting from now on.
Poor Teyla. This Rodnocentric episode just highlighted how starved she is of some face time. I hope she gets an episode soon, because I really do like her. But please Teyla - no singing. 
Posted by: thefirstone Apr 19th 2007, 12:34 PM
Whats better than Mckay? Two McKays and his sister, lol. Great chemisty, it gave a great atmosphere to scenes.
I laughed so hard when I found out Rodney's real first name was Meredith and finding out alternate Shep was just like our Rodney.
Posted by: cdpage May 14th 2007, 10:39 PM
Good EP.
I really liked his sister, hope to see more of her, she played a great part.
...um ok i just for the first time watched the preview for "a Dogs Breakfast" by chance, and low and behold, there she was, playing his sister, again.
Hah, and of course it realy is his sister.
I didn't know there were from TO. thought he was a Vancouverite.
oh well.
I love the commercial she is in...think it was CIBC.
She may turn out to be the next Samatha Carter. (start off with a bunch of TV ads and find a great role in a series).
Posted by: bostjan91 Aug 16th 2007, 2:13 PM
I must say that the ''new'' Rodney was a little bit creepy!
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