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Stargate Information Archive _ Atlantis Season 1 _ 105 - Suspicion

Posted by: Arcady Aug 6th 2004, 6:49 PM

Episode 5 - Suspicion
Air Date: (US) August 6, 2004

After another dangerous run-in with the new enemy, the Wraith, the team suspects a traitor in their midst

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Posted by: Bowley Aug 6th 2004, 10:01 PM

Ooo not a bad episode.

I need someone to adapt the phrase "Loose Lips, Sink Ships" to this Atlantis episode for me...consider it a challenge.

I'm still enjoying Atlantis
thus far

Spooky ending...I hope that Fu Man Chu Wraith can back it up.

Posted by: ChaosMange Aug 6th 2004, 10:03 PM

This week's episode was much better than last week!!

Posted by: therockininer Aug 6th 2004, 10:36 PM

I liked it. Interesting story, and interesting twist.

The best part was at the end, with the Wraith officer inprisoned.

"We are unable to maintain your dietary needs."

LOL! Sounds very much like an O'Neill moment.

Posted by: Starfire086 Aug 6th 2004, 10:40 PM

Yeah, this episode was much better than last week. I am really starting to hate Dr. Weir, though. She annoys me to no end. They way she treated the Athosians was really disrespectful. She was much too easily swayed by that security guy - and he definately had a stick up his butt.

Oh well, at least we got to see more of Teyla, and now they've got a captured Wraith - that should lead to some interesting plot lines.

I liked Sheppard's "be positive, now" line at the end. Nice touch. The "dietary needs" bit was good, too - very O'Neill-esque.

Posted by: grand Master Majic Aug 6th 2004, 11:28 PM

Yeah it had alot of loose ends and left open mistakes. but overall I liked it could have been a bit better with what they plotted out if they thought longer on it. The hippy wraith is quite the bastard it appears......I wonder if he would like a turkey sandwich.

Posted by: Reignfire Aug 6th 2004, 11:29 PM

QUOTE (Starfire086 @ Aug 6 2004, 10:40 PM)

I am really starting to hate Dr. Weir, though. She annoys me to no end. They way she treated the Athosians was really disrespectful. She was much too easily swayed by that security guy - and he definately had a stick up his butt.

I completely agree. She's supposed to be a great diplomat, but in every diplomatic situation she ... well, hasn't been.

Posted by: chelstia Aug 6th 2004, 11:46 PM

Dr. Weir was driving me nuts too, and I was hoping Teyla or someone would beat up the security sergent guy.
I really did like the episode though and I wonder what they'll do now that they found land on "Atlantica". (Ya gotta like Lt. Ford)

Was there a specific reason to capture the wraith or did we just want one, not that he may not come in handy but I was wondering if I missed something.

Posted by: 1969 Aug 6th 2004, 11:55 PM

I liked last weeks episode better, but it wasn't awful. NOW Dr Weir is getting annoying a little. I cant believe she didnt say anything when the security guy kept making things worse with the athosian man. SHe should have had the balls and said something to shut him up. Good that SHeppard does so eventually. THere is always a lot of good and people-you-wanna-slap characters in Atlantis and thats what makes this show more interesting.

And I think I am liking Dr Mckay, but its funny because hes getting physically hurt. I cant believe Ive been turned around since "48 hours."

Oh boy did they just get themselves into a whole lotta mess. What if he has a hidden transmitter and the Wraith find Atlantis?

Posted by: Reignfire Aug 7th 2004, 12:44 AM

Oh, I forgot to mention, I thought it was weird that it's only the 5th episode/4th week of Atlantis and they are already doing "Previously on ...". I see the need for "Previously on ..." more for episodes far part, like in different seasons.

Posted by: SlavsyaRossiya Aug 7th 2004, 1:02 AM

An interesting episode, but this week Stargate beat Atlantis.

Weir really sucks. I was beginning to hope that Teyla was a betrayer just so some Wraith would come and blow Weirs head off! Shes supposed to be this great diplomat, however she isn't very diplomatic at all with anybody.

We FINALLY get to see a few more Wraith, and it even speaks! That was great.

However...it just didn't seem like much happend. It didn't involve interacting with another new culture, we didn't even explore a new world....Right when I heard Weir say that shes suspending gate operations, I knew that Stargate instantly won this round.

Your in a new GALAXY for Allahs sake! Let's see some exploring being done, instead of just sitting on Atlantis all the time.

Posted by: Orion08 Aug 7th 2004, 1:19 AM

This episode was okay. Much better than last week's though. Now that they have a wraith to experiment on, I can't wait to see what new types of weapons they will develop.

Posted by: SG1Papa Aug 7th 2004, 1:54 AM

QUOTE (1969 @ Aug 7 2004, 12:55 AM)

Oh boy did they just get themselves into a whole lotta mess. What if he has a hidden transmitter and the Wraith find Atlantis?

That's what I was thinking. Ok, you are on a new planet and you have just discovered that you inadvertently had a transmitter on one of your allies and now you capture an enemy. I'm thinking that could be a bad idea

Posted by: eolithic1500bc Aug 7th 2004, 12:33 PM

Are you thinking that maybe he was supposed to be captured cuz if so why would he try and blow himself up.

But i liked this episode a little more than the ep of SG1 but both were very good in my book.

Posted by: RJLCyberPunk Aug 7th 2004, 1:19 PM

I liked this episode, we finally saw Teyla in action which was really cool, however I now have to agree that Dr Weir is kind of becoming less and less diplomatic with each episode. But then again it is said that criminal lawyers make terrible judges so it might be the same for diplomats turned leaders, we shall see...
I wonder where the writers want to go with this Weir business anyway...
I think maybe they wanted her to look tougher, because some complained she might be a wimp.

Posted by: NRJ Aug 7th 2004, 2:53 PM

Dr Weir could still change. Look at Gen. Hammond. He has rough the 1st two episodes of SG1. He wouldn't give in to anything (I didn't like him at first). And later became a near-like teddy bear to sg1 (well maybe not quite). Put can truely see the differents after the 1s few episodes.

Posted by: Ehzarhorden Aug 7th 2004, 4:45 PM

Weir is a b*tch. She needs to get some serious tension released or something. Maybe she should let Ford give her few pointers on how to actually smile at people once and a while and chill out. If I were on the station I would stay far away from her Nazi Weir. You'd think she was military with the way they portray her.

I'm glad the Athosians left, they were not really happy there. Isn't it ironic that the guy who we kept hating this whole episode basically saved the day when he demanded McKay search thru Tey'las stuff ? He didn't even get a thank you did he ?

Sheppard is letting his personal feelings for Tey'la interfere with getting his job done. Sure, there was no true "spy" in their midst, but she could have been mind controlled, or perhaps misled by someone. That happened more than once to SG-1, but then again, he is still new to all of this I suppose. I look forward to his growth as a character.

McKay is my favorite character now. When he demanded to go back for Ford and Tey'la, I was impressed. He isn't a total coward after all. Plus his usual quips are very, very funny. He totally dissed that guy with the "imagination failure" comment

I was very disappointed to see the Wraith talking at the end, and on top of that, throwing out a bunch of cliche's like some cheesy Transformers bad guy (hey, I loved that show though). Up to this point, only the Queen had actually spoken with anyone, and I was hoping she was the exception. I'm sorry, but having them speak English totally takes away the "alien" mirage for me, man. It would have been better if he just hissed and used illusions to talk imo.

All in all, a good episode i think, and I think the character development is going well for a few characters.

Posted by: Stargate SG-1 Bott Aug 7th 2004, 6:51 PM

I didnt think it was as good as earlier episodes. But it wasnt bad, About DR.WEIR i dont like her that much but not because how she treated those ashosians or however u spell, because for security reasons i agreed with it, i mean comeon u cant trust no one, for all they know one of them could of been brain washed or something.

One thing that just comes to mind, the ashosians are human right? well how did they get there because the Ancients didnt take them there else they would be ancients. Im probably missing something

Chris

Posted by: Cackles Aug 7th 2004, 7:29 PM

I didn read the rest of this thread but i jus wanted to say when mckay is talkin about the planets mainland size and tries to compare and cant think, its brilliant ... makes him seem almost human

Posted by: IndyJan Aug 7th 2004, 10:07 PM

QUOTE (Reignfire @ Aug 6 2004, 11:29 PM)

I completely agree. She's supposed to be a great diplomat, but in every diplomatic situation she ... well, hasn't been.

She is irritating me to no end! She just grates on my nerves. She is not becoming an interesting character in anyway. The way she was swayed by that security guy bugged the heck out of me. That security guy should have made all kinds of apologies to Teyla and her people, but of course, he didn't.

So what is the purpose of holding that Wraith guy? They have him, in a brig of some sorts, but what do they intend to do with him? Are they going to experiment? I didn't understand the purpose in capturing him.

I will admit that for the first time, I did enjoy Teyla. They kind of fleshed out her character. I guess having this situation with her people was a way to get them out of Atlantis so that we just see her on away missions with an SGA team. It was a nice touch to find out that there were devices that would seek out ancients. I guess they should be aware that there might be more.

Posted by: Bowley Aug 7th 2004, 11:34 PM

Man, I must be the only one who doesn't mind Weir... I must be a Weir-do AH AH Ah AH AAAAh ... no

Without going into any details, because I don't feel like it, (If I must I will), she seems to handle problems with a genuine concern for every party, taking in all suggestions, and not just acting from one perspective, and acting in the interest of the best outcome of a situation. Also she is well spoken. Unfortunately this makes her seem a tad hesitant and indecisive. Certainly not as quick as Hammond, but I think that's his military training and personality kicking in.

I dunno...definitely not "grating" to me. I'd hate to have all these other-worldy decisions heaped upon me, day after day after day.

Which leads me to another question...
How long is a day on the unnamed planet Atlantis resides on?

Posted by: IndyJan Aug 8th 2004, 2:47 AM

What is strange is that I liked Weir on the first show on SG1's season premiere. I was wondering if I could handle the change in actresses, but she was great. She didn't bother me at all. It has only been since she has been in charge of Atlantis that she has not appealed.

Posted by: dr_n_tesla Aug 8th 2004, 6:56 AM

QUOTE (Bowley @ Aug 8 2004, 02:34 PM)

Man, I must be the only one who doesn't mind Weir... I must be a Weir-do AH AH Ah AH AAAAh ... no

Without going into any details, because I don't feel like it, (If I must I will), she seems to handle problems with a genuine concern for every party, taking in all suggestions, and not just acting from one perspective, and acting in the interest of the best outcome of a situation. Also she is well spoken. Unfortunately this makes her seem a tad hesitant and indecisive. Certainly not as quick as Hammond, but I think that's his military training and personality kicking in.

I dunno...definitely not "grating" to me. I'd hate to have all these other-worldy decisions heaped upon me, day after day after day.

Which leads me to another question...
How long is a day on the unnamed planet Atlantis resides on?

You're not the only one here with those thoughts

Dr Weir is such a turn on!!!

Teyla couldn't have said it any better at the end, that she would've done the same thing had she been in Weir's position.

When the security officer questioned Major Sheppard on his emotions, of course Dr Weir didn't want to say anything because she wanted to see and hear his reaction/response to confirm at least some of his feelings towards Teyla. Isn't it obvious that Dr Weir has a thing for Major Sheppard?

Well that's my two cents.
So yeah, I'm still an avid Atlantis fan!!!

Posted by: taujin Aug 8th 2004, 11:27 AM

I liked this week's episode a little better than last week. The one thing that really bugged me is how stupid the team was coming back to Atlantis in the beginning. Did you guys notice how the team ran through the Stargate back to Talantis, only to stand right in front of the gate and stop to look back? McKay was asbolutely asking to be shot in the head!

Ford was disappointingly a wimp when Sheppard's description of what heavy gravitational pull could do to the human body. Come on, Ford is a soldier and has been through military training. Surely he knows what excessive G-force can do to a person. For him to give up the "snack" was just a poor attempt at humor.

I was disappointed that we didn't get to see a single shot of the land on Atlantis. Sure, we hears that some surfing might be in the works in the future but how about a shot of mountains or lush jungle?

I saw a few folks commenting that Sheppard's comments and quips in the show were quite "O'Neill". I agree. The writers should give Sheppard his own personality - not a O'Neill clone.

Finally, I thought the lead Wriath that eventually got captured wasn't very smart. The moment he picked up the locket/homing device, he should have realized that he was ina trap. Well, maybe that's just me, or maybe the Wraith really are thick in the head

TauJin

Posted by: Belissner Aug 8th 2004, 12:09 PM

Thought this episode was weak: The old "possible traitor in our midst" plot line!

Dr. Weir is REALLY not coming across well at all...she seems weak, easily swayed, and ethereally wispy, like she could blow away in a strong wind.

There's no substance here, nor much acting either, by Torri. Her two main expressions are (1) a pained smile; and (2) tight-lipped determination that comes across as just being stubborn.

I can't see how she's going to hold on to the respect of the masses much longer. The Athosians have already jumped ship!

So far, I'd have to award gold stars, out of a possible perfect 5: SG-1 -- 5 for 5; Atlantis -- 2 for 5 (I liked the opening 2-parter, mainly the first half hour, but that's all).

Posted by: ted_simple Aug 8th 2004, 2:17 PM

QUOTE

I liked the opening 2-parter, mainly the first half hour, but that's all

Similar with me. I've been looking forward to the advancement of the Wraith plot from the opener, but after the recent episode I don't picture it very interesting.

Almost seems so become a second class fantasy series, i mean perhaps little kids are scared by the Wraith's intimidation statements in the end of the episode, but I do not watch the series because the Wraith as an enemy excite me. This motive may be a frame for the series, but it has to be filled with interesting single episode plots.

The last three episodes each felt like "one day in the life of the Atlantis settlers", some documentation of their everyday's difficulties: running the city, working out command structures... I mean that's not intriguing, I almost think I could write those episodes myself. 38 minutes was better though because there was a tension build-up.

Posted by: therockininer Aug 8th 2004, 2:20 PM

QUOTE (SG1Papa @ Aug 7 2004, 01:54 AM)

The Wraith said that his friends would come for him. This might not be good for the Atlantis team!

It's time to find weapons! Find magical chairs! Blow Wraith up!

But I think eventually, although I doubt this early in the series, the Wraith will come to Atlantis itself. For a while, the SGC was protected, but it wasn't long before Apophis and others set a course for earth. In the event that the Wraith show up, I'm dying for an air-fight. Much like the one in "The Lost City, pt. 2."

But I don't see that happening for a while.

Posted by: Jackal Guards Rule Aug 8th 2004, 3:36 PM

IMO this is the only Atlantis Episode so far that was better than the SG-1 episode it ran after on the same day. I didnt like the SG-1 epsiode but Atlantis wasnt bad.

So far Atlantis as a series has been good!

Posted by: Raxor Aug 8th 2004, 6:57 PM

simple solution; weir needs to get laid

not a bad episode ***

Posted by: taujin Aug 8th 2004, 8:09 PM

QUOTE (Raxor @ Aug 8 2004, 06:57 PM)

simple solution; weir needs to get laid

not a bad episode ***

Getting laid might help the Wraith have a more charming disposition, and who says they don't? As we can observe already, the do seems to have a male and female version of the species (and since they don't eat like we do, those boobs on the female Wraith must serve some err... other purpose)

However, getting laid doesn't solve the Wraith's need for nutritional requirment. Maybe they're just cranky because they're starving? Or they got out on the wrong side of bed (thanks to Sheppard's untimely alarm clock call)

It would have been nice if we had a glimpse of HOW the Wraith would track their missing member to Atlantis. And I do hope Sheppard and his team cleaned up after themselves by properly disposing of the 3 other Warith they killed (ok, maybe they didn't die but will resurrect again. I'm sure the producers will find it easier to recycle the disposable Wraith from each episode)

TauJin

Posted by: PAL Aug 8th 2004, 10:52 PM

It seems clear now the Wraith have sects. They have matriarchs, male field commanders, and male footsoldiers.

Yeah, I'm glad I'm not the only one who questions why they suddenly wanted to capture a Wraith. They didn't really give an explanation. Interrigation was obviously going to fail, and they can learn about Wraith physiology better when they're dead.

Posted by: Bowley Aug 8th 2004, 11:14 PM

QUOTE (Raxor @ Aug 8 2004, 06:57 PM)

simple solution; weir needs to get laid

not a bad episode ***

Well, that may be...but who's going to do it?
Maybe you should get Conan O'brien to do that "If they mated" bit to find out.

You know a lot of people are saying they think Shepperd( Sheppard Shepherd Sheperd...how ever the $%$# you spell his last name) and Weir are attracted to eachother, and have shown signs of it in the past 5 episodes.

I must be blind to these subtle showings of attraction.

Can someone explain to me how they see this?

Posted by: Raz Aug 9th 2004, 2:13 AM

I thought it was a reasonably good episode and that we've captured a Wraith is good so we can experiment on it! LOL! 6/10 for this one...

Posted by: CitizenK Aug 10th 2004, 7:38 AM

QUOTE (Belissner @ Aug 8 2004, 12:09 PM)

I'm with Bel on this one. I thought the episode was the same old tired storyline i.e. there's a traitor in our midst. No, not really. I won't say it was bad. because that's not entirely true. It was okay. Overall, I'd say 6/10.

I don't know about Dr Weir. On the one hand, yes she does listen to her subordinate advisors. But, she doesn't seem comfortable with giving orders. Sure, she can dress down an officer, but what does that accomplish ? She's supposed to establish herself as leader of team Atlantis and for me, I'm just not seeing real leadership qualities from her.

In some ways, Dr Weir is starting to get on my nerves too. I don't know what she's trying to do. I also don't like the way she talks down to the Athosians. Halling (I think that's his name) has clearly shown that he's a good, practical and thoughtful leader. She doesn't have to treat him like an inferior. At least that's how I see it.

The Wraith, I don't like the Wraith. They don't strike me as much of a threat when even Teyla (a snack to them) can beat them so thoroughly. But, I did enjoy her fight scene. Was it me or did anyone else notice that it looked alot like one of those Kung Fu movies out of Hong Kong ? You know, the long white haired evil master versus the good gal with sticks warrior ? Just watching that white hair fling around reminded me so much of a Shaw Brothers movie. Just like the ones starring Gordon Liu.

A slight nitpick. I found it convenient that the two sticks of wood Teyla picked up off the ground were strong enough to beat up that Wraith. I don't know if any of you remembering being kids. But, I remembering picking up sticks and hitting them against trees. And boy, didn't they shatter into a gazillion pieces when I did. Nice that Teyla found two handy weapons laying around. But, do have to commend their stunt people. That was a good fight scene.

I still don't know what to think about Teyla. Unfortunately, she still reminds me too much of Dr Who's companion Lela. Or is that just me ?

Now the one character I did think was good in this episode was Major Sheppard. He struck me as being the most level headed this time around. He seemed less of a snide, snarky Jack ripoff and more of his own man.

Mckay, what can I say about McKay ? I am wondering what's going to happen to the guy in the next episode because it sure seems like he's going to be very accident prone. I mean, the poor guy got stuck with that energy shield last week. This episode, he gets hit full blast with a Wraith weapon. I wonder what happens to him next ??? It's almost like the writers are having sessions where they try to think of ways of torturing poor ol' McKay. This might be fun.

Storywise, nah... Bel was right. This wasn't anything we haven't seen before. Nothing original. Which is too bad. Because it did have some potential. Somehow, I'm hoping they can open the gate (back to earth) just long enough to have Weir's replacement get through. I thought she started out okay, but now her character doesn't seem to be developing very well.

Oh, DO really like the secondary "ethnic" characters like the Czech scientist as well as Beckett. Hope to see more of them.

My two cents

Posted by: bjp211 Aug 10th 2004, 12:55 PM

I missed the episode. Does anyone know where I can download it?

Posted by: Bowley Aug 10th 2004, 6:32 PM

try downloading an IRC program, takes a bit to get used to but once you find a good room, you can get some really good quality episodes. But..shh I never said anything about it.

Posted by: Nyarlathotep Aug 10th 2004, 7:59 PM

One thing that reallly struck me with this episode is that the Wraiths gear really doesnt seem up to much. Those stun sticks are about as effective as a Zat in a fight, only their stun lasts longer, yet they are much bigger. The Wraith leader, apart from his kung fu, seemed pretty wimpy.

So far, I dont find them that scary. I know that the show has a limited budget in its first season, but they need to give the Wraith something that makes them more of a menacing foe.

Posted by: Bowley Aug 11th 2004, 1:05 AM

QUOTE (Nyarlathotep @ Aug 10 2004, 07:59 PM)

Just remember, they'd rather stun you and then suck out your energy.
Like a lot of spiders. They give you poison to immobilize you and they eat you later.

Posted by: Faithhammer Aug 11th 2004, 1:12 AM

Pretty good episode. The show is still spreading its roots in my opinion. My only nitpick is that Dr. Wier still seems like a weak character to me. Growth is needed.

As for the episode itself it was quite interesting with the whole traitor thing going on, and the movement out from atlantis to a landmass. I wonder if the captured wraith can become the first real enemy with an identity we can associate with something like Ba'al, Hathor, Sokar, etc.... So far its pretty much been a faceless mass of baddies.

Cant wait for the next episode.

Posted by: Drizzt's Syn Aug 12th 2004, 9:19 PM

Dr. Weir is...a bit off key somehow. I'm really missing a strong leader such as Hammond was or O'neill (if he can get things organized someday ).
Good episode, but I find 103 and 104 were a whole notch better.

Seems McKay will be SGA's red shirt to a certain extent!

Really hope they can manage to find some ZPM's soon and at least be able to make contact with Earth. Things certainly seem far over their heads at the moment. I wonder if the Asguard know about the Wraith - certainly they could at least give them some tips Seems we won't be seeing guests from SG-1 too often though I bet it'll stay around the level and style of the Barclay/Deanna Troi (sp?) episodes on ST:Voyager.

Edit: You know what a good fight would be? Replicators vs. the Wraith! After seeing this episode and the bits with the Wraiths, it seems to me the Wraith didn't defeat the Ancients by a scientific superiority, but rather due to their special abilities and a (likely) completely different type of overall advancement.
Sure sounds like how the Replicators could defeat the Asguard.

Posted by: seymour Aug 13th 2004, 12:35 AM

QUOTE (Drizzt's Syn @ Aug 12 2004, 09:19 PM)

Dr. Weir is...a bit off key somehow.

I agree, Weir (Torri Higginson) has a somewhat monotonous style to her delivery that was not present in her previous incarnation (Jessica Steen). Atlantis's Dr Weir comes off as a rather uninteresting personality.

Does anyone know why TPTB opted for Higginson rather than Weir?

Posted by: Cackles Aug 13th 2004, 8:41 AM

I think it was an ok way to tie in getting a Wraith boss type dude ... It seems better than them saying 'ok lets go get a Wraith even though theyve upped camp and left'. It also got rid of Teylas people for most of the time now.

As for Weir I think her character will develop even if it takes half the first season ... Right now Weir is supposed to be making the decisions for almost everything and until its set up and theres routine and shes settled into it I think she will only have 2 modes -on and off.

Posted by: Dafmeister Nov 9th 2004, 5:17 PM

A good episode in my opinion. Looks like the writers have found a way of removing the cast of extras in Atlantis. Im just confused as to why they didnt bring Zats. If they thought to pack tasers surely some one would have thought Zats would have been more effective.

Im glad to see that the writers decide to use the main enemy's leaders more than they did in SG1.

Posted by: ali Nov 10th 2004, 1:17 PM

I thought this was a good episode. The storyline didn't seem so old to me, though I was a bit annoyed that they had to have an ep where they were all so nasty to each other- I really like all the characters (yes- I even like Weir! *gasp*) and it rubbed me up the wrong way to see them accusing each other.
I think Teyla came off really well in this episode. Rachel Lutrell (sp?) is a good actress and I think she should be given some stronger storylines in the future. I especially liked her saying "Where would you go?" to her people without thinking- it shows how loyal she already is to Sheppard/Weir and co.
Again, a good episode for Mckay. What can I say? He's hilarious! I liked the scene with Ford and Sheppard as they were about to go onto the ship and explore the planet as well, that was funny.
I think Weir should be given a chance. Admittedly there are reasons not to like her, but she has got a lot on her plate- she's responsible for all those people, they're on a different planet, and if there had been an Athosian spy she probably would have been blamed for not paying enough attention.
It was a good idea to have the locket as a transmitter- I was absolutely convinced that Sergeant Bates (I think that was his name...the mean one who seems to hate the Athosians?) was to blame.

I do just have one question though- if there is ploughable land on that planet, why did the ancients put their city underwater? It makes me think that there's something wrong with the land. I could have just missed a really important point for why the city was underwater though, so feel free to correct me.

And I was disappointed with the distinct lack of Carson Beckett as well. But apart from that...good ep.

Posted by: invisible painting Nov 10th 2004, 1:37 PM

QUOTE

I do just have one question though- if there is ploughable land on that planet, why did the ancients put their city underwater? It makes me think that there's something wrong with the land. I could have just missed a really important point for why the city was underwater though, so feel free to correct me.

The girl wants to be corrected. Ok. The ancients hid the city underwater to hide it from others like the wraith from getting it. Although they left it available for any tom dick or harry to gate into the city but they didnt really think about that!!

And i liked this episode too i thought it was good, nothing wrong with it and they set up future plot lines for it too with the whole capture wraith thingy!! I also like weir shes fine in my opinion.

And i must say that im starting to get the impression that ill prefere this to sg1 in not that long, which last week i didnt think would happen but i think it will now.

A good episode though, and certainly better then this weeks sg1 to!!

Posted by: ali Nov 10th 2004, 1:45 PM

QUOTE (invisible painting @ Nov 10th 2004, 1:37 PM)

Hey, I didn't say I want to be corrected.

So if the people in Atlantis know that, why are they letting the Athosians live on the land? As the wraith leader said, it's only a matter of time until the wraith find the planet, and then they are royally screwed.

Posted by: Dafmeister Nov 10th 2004, 4:37 PM

QUOTE (ali @ Nov 10th 2004, 7:17 PM)

I may have been on land to begin with. When the Wraith began their attacks on the Ancients they moved it into the ocean. As Atlantis held the only gate that could dial Earth, they would want to keep it a secret from the Wraith.

QUOTE (invisible painting on Nov 10th 2004 @ 7:37 PM)

Big hole in the point you made. If the Ancients hid Atlantis before the Wraith discovered where it was, the Wraith wouldnt have known there was a Stargate on that planet and therefore wouldnt have tried to dial it up.

QUOTE (ali on Nov 10th 2004 @ 7:45 PM)

As the wraith leader said, it's only a matter of time until the wraith find the planet, and then they are royally screwed.

Also proving my point that the Wraith dont know Atlantis exists.

Posted by: hawkes Nov 10th 2004, 8:37 PM

QUOTE (Dafmeister @ Nov 10th 2004, 9:37 PM)

That does make sense Dafmeister, the Ancients would have wanted to hide their city for that reason. The last thing they would want would be for them to get a hold of Earth's address... I doubt there would have been anything wrong with the land, i mean think about the Ancients abilities technological wise. I'm sure they could have sorted out any problems in that area.

This was a good episode, it was good to see some tension... although at times it did seem a little fake. And is it me, or does Weir not seem to be the same kind of woman from SG1? I mean, wasn't this the woman who could help create peace aggrements in tough situations? Wasn't she chosen because she was supposed to be an accomplished diplomate? If she was, i have to say she isn't living up to this big image they painted of her in the finale of the last season of SG1. I can understand the idea of pressure perhaps changing how she acted, but it still seems off. Just my opinion ofcourse.

Other than that, i have to say this show seems to be getting stronger with each episode. And again Mckay is hilarious in this, it's great they put him in this.

Oh and to add, it was good to see they are finally showing how tough the Wraith are. Being shot and knocked down, but yet getting back up to keep fighting. Having them blow themselves up aswell... it's all going to show how tough these guys are, and that i think is going to be interesting to see.

Posted by: stargatesweetie Nov 14th 2004, 3:42 AM

QUOTE (Dafmeister @ Nov 10th 2004, 4:37 PM)

Oh, I was just under the impression that the Wraith knew about the planet but had not guessed that the Atlantis team were using it as a base as they assumed that the city had been destroyed or was just still uninhabited

I have to agree that I cannot see the logic in capturing a Wraith and bringing it back to Atlantis. I hardly think that it will suddenly come over all talkative and co-operative, though maybe it may serve a purpose of providing a bit of a "history lesson" during dialogue with JS (accompanied by flashbacks to when the Wraith and Ancients were at conflict)-sort of setting the scene.
As for Weir. She was in a difficult position and Teyla acknowledged this, but given that she is supposed to be a specialist negotiator, her handling of the Athosians was very poor. All in all, not bad episode, but not one which will be remembered in time to come.

Posted by: 38 Minutes Dec 3rd 2004, 3:35 PM

Yeaah Steve!
Good episode, nice twist 7/10.
Also good to know there is some land on the planet as well.

Posted by: BrandonTheGreat Jan 13th 2005, 8:08 PM

This was a good episode that dealed with the Sheppard/Bates situation. Similar to the Maybourne/O'Neill situation in early SG1. But still this was a great episode.

Posted by: Christy Apr 9th 2005, 2:48 AM

This episode...not so good in my opinion.
It was great but the acting lacked something...there's still not enough feeling between them all...and Teyla is just not coming across to me as a real person...it's all fake to me.
The storyline was good and i like their new wraith buddy

Posted by: General Jen Apr 15th 2005, 6:34 PM

this episode was ok, i think last weeks was way better. 6.5/10

i really do not like that sergent who is in charge of security , i was really hoping he was the spy so they could leave him on the land.

i know weir is in charge and has to be tough but i think she went a little overboard

mcay is pretty cool

Posted by: Christy Apr 21st 2005, 8:11 AM

you need to have a guy that pushes your buttons and makes you hate them.
That way each week you go: I want him dead, i want something to happen to him.
Plus it is good to see someone who is taking control of security who is doing all these things.
It sorta makes things look better and does give something to the show.
Even if he isn't the most likeable character

Posted by: Sighfienerd Apr 30th 2005, 9:36 AM

This episode wasn't quite as fast-paced as the others. Not enough McKay! And it annoyed me how Weir is portrayed as being so ineffective as a leader. When she and Bates were interviewing the Athosians and Bates was being particularly offensive, all she did was give him a dirty "girlie" look. A real leader would have shut him down with a word, not continue to let him get away with something that she obviously disapproved of.

And poor Bates - he has a hard row to hoe. He's been typecast as the "baddie" and everyone hates him. Possibly a little more subtlety would have been more effective.

Posted by: Christy May 1st 2005, 3:28 AM

I don't hate Bates...we havent seen enough of him and don't really know nor understand him but a lot of people have seem to have made the decsision to cast him as the baddie of the series...but every series does need to have a person like him.

Yes, i'll agree Weir does not seem to be able to shut people down...she doesn't really stand up for things does she?
She seems quite weak in the role which she is meant to play.

Posted by: stargate_addict Aug 19th 2005, 11:45 PM

That wasnt bad, i would have been so PO if i was tayla for suspecting me, I liked what was doing it, the necklace. Remember every little thing has a purpose

Posted by: blackbelt83 Jan 30th 2006, 12:52 AM

With the wraith every where in that galaxy you are bound to run into them all the time I think they jumped to suspicion a little fast. but then when the tayla whent off by herself and then the wraith showed up I would be suspicus then.

Posted by: thefirstone Apr 16th 2006, 10:03 AM

I thought that this episode was alright, it could have been more suspenseful imo.

Posted by: kordone Jun 24th 2006, 11:22 PM

I liked the end of this episode when they had Steve in brig

Posted by: Dafmeister May 17th 2007, 1:23 PM

Just rewatching this episode again and I noticed something McKay said to Zelenka. He said that the nearest Bob's Big Boys (what is that anyway?) is 300 million light years away. In later seasons they say Earth only 3 million light years away. So is the 300 million light years to Earth wrong or 3 million light years wrong?

Posted by: Invisible Painting May 17th 2007, 1:54 PM

QUOTE(Dafmeister @ May 17th 2007, 7:23 PM)

It's 3 million light years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_Dwarf_Irregular_Galaxy

Posted by: IndyJan Jul 27th 2007, 2:18 AM

QUOTE(Dafmeister @ May 17th 2007, 1:23 PM)

Just rewatching this episode again and I noticed something McKay said to Zelenka. He said that the nearest Bob's Big Boys (what is that anyway?) is 300 million light years away. In later seasons they say Earth only 3 million light years away. So is the 300 million light years to Earth wrong or 3 million light years wrong?

Daf, that is a chain of hamburger joints in the US. It began in the 50's, I think. They were the very first place to make the double decker hamburger. That is what they are known for. They used to have a very large, plastic Bob, holding their signature hamburger on a plate. It was located either outside the door or just inside the restaurant. I don't know if they are around anymore or not, or if they were gobbled up by another chain, LOL!