Season 7, Episode 6 - Lifeboat
Original Air Date: July 18, 2003
When SG1 goes to a barren planet, they investigate an abandoned ship full of frozen bodies. The mission goes awry when Daniel's body is 'hijacked' by aliens whose own bodies are gone, but their personalities were stored in a databank.
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Excellent episode, both Teryl Rothery and Michael Shanks did very well.
I agree, Rothery and Shanks did very well. I thought the first scene with the boy was really emotional. I got distracted for a min though, so someone please tell me exactly what happened to the minds within Daniel, did they go into the father alien or the ship or into nonexistance?
I need to look at the videotape again but if I understand it correctly, the minds in Daniel will be transferred to Fairan, who will have them redistrubuted among the passengers.
Poor Daniel seems to be the mental case for SG-1. Let's see:
Falls under the influence of the sarcophogus in season one
Becomes a mental case in the season two episode "Legacy"
Descends and loses his memory, yet is able to recover it in a two hour span.
Gets pocessed and develops mulitple personalities
When does Daniel catch a break?
On a more serious note it is a testament to Michael Shanks and his impressive acting range. It was good to see Teryl in a lead role for this episode to showcase more of that talent we do not see enough of. Proof positive that the success of Stargate is not only in the visual effects and brillant writing, it is also in the great chemistry and acting talant of the cast. I guess seven years of being around the same people will do that to ya.
I dont mean to knock down the other actors but it seems Michael Shanks seems to have an inclination toward these these extreme emotional shifts in character. Although each actor in the series seems to be capable of very convincing and pensive acting. The person that played Faerun (spelling) was also excellent. I think the script was well done and the chemistry was excellent. This is Stargate SG-1 at its best.
I feel sorry for that crewman whose personality was inside of Daniel. He was the most rational of the bunch and he knew he was in a no-win situation from the beginning.
I don't remember anything about all the personalities being redistributed among the passengers. I thought they were just going to leave Fairen in freeze until there were enough awake to "take care of him'. From what the crewman said (see first paragraph), having more than one personality in the same body always ended in insanity.
Hmm, I give MS credit for some great acting, but I thought this episode was a snooze fest. There was 0 action, 0 unpredictability and 0 suspense. I hope they get back to the main plot lines soon, this season is the worst one so far in my book....
I thought this episode was pretty good. Michael Shanks definately has talent, and so does Teryl Rothery.
Not to start another hair topic, but it has to be said: I hate hate HATE Dr. Frasier's hair this season. HATE.
first time here.. so please be gentle....
ms falls under the influence of the sarcophogus in the second series..not the first..still a damn fine guy though
Greetings, yepwee!
Daniel Jackson was cast as the geeky civilian with a lot of hidden strength. Even before his death and...rebirth, his courage and strength came out in the oddest moments.
I'm afraid I missed the first 10 minutes of the show...I was impressed by the acting capabilities of MS and TR, but I felt the episode it's self was not as interesting as it could've been. While I normaly don't mind a lack of action, I found the piontlessness of the drama to be very disapointing. Most of the personalities that emerged were useless except to keep something happening. I also missed the classic O'Neill sarcasam in this episode.
WOW!!! That was some episode. I agree with everyone that Michael Shanks and Teryl Rothery did very well. They should have added a couple of minutes to the episode at the end so I can see what happened to the souls of the people that were in Dainel's head and the rest of the crew. I would have also like to have seen the look on the people's faces when they saw/step through the Stargate.
Teal'c: (says some techincal stuff I cant type)
O'Neill: "I dare you to say that again"
Welcome yepwee, im fairly new too...
Yes, MS's was excellent in this as with TR, i think he did an excellent job as the child.
As soon as it was determined that the crashed ships power supply was failing I knew Sam would come out with the line about hooking up the naquada generator. It's becoming the predictably easy fix-all for off world power supply problems. In the words of Urgo..."Boring".
It was great to see TR have more screen time though there was little for her to actually do. But MS was acting waaaay over the top.
An okay episode but I'm still waiting for that really great one this season.
wow I mean WoW!!! I really like this episode for the great acting. I don't think M.S. could have done a better job at it. T.R. was allso great(hair and all) Nothing was to over the top, yes it was perdictable the naquada generator would have been used. But its a try and proven answer for the teams power supple.
ALL I HAVE TO REALLY SAY IS GREAT EPISODE!!!!!!!
I thought this ep. was a yawner. The only up to this one was MS acting skills really started to show. Went from a kid to a pissed off man in like a second.
Bad ep, good acting.
well i did see it but it not wow ... ! i give it 3 of 10 !
aww I thought it was great episode this one ![]()
its been said, but I have say it again, some great acting in this episode!
I also have to say this season thingie so far as been the best yet in my opinion, now I might just think all this because they are new episodes and I've watched the old ones to death, but they certaintly feel better anyway ![]()
Well, cant wait till the next now
The acting was every exceptional, but the episode was boring.
I haven't been interested in any of the season 7 shows, so far. Not surprising, since 95% of the episodes I have watched (in any of the seasons) more than once have all featured a race that the producers have done their best to kill off.
ok....i as well as many others thought the acting was very good in this ep.. i especially like ms' change in voice for each of his charaters. wasn't just that he changed behavior, but each character had a different accent and tone of voice, very cool. although i think they tended towards a quazi-british accent at some points. still, very well done. i liked that the doc got to show some emotion, "i don't give a DAMN!" hehe
i do have to say say that this ep did sort of feel like a daniel showcase with the other three team members taking a second seat. didn't see much of jack, sam or teal'c, but their screen time together was also nice. i have enjoyed the drama breather, but am ready for the swing back into the action now which will hopefully come with next weeks ep. i say it gets 6 maybe 7 out of ten.
I have pretty much the same opinion as many have already posted... good acting, but overall not a particularly interesting episode.
I think that the story was a bit too predictable and seemed to have very few twists etc..
I thought that this episode was pretty good, Michael Shanks and Teryl Rothery did a really great job in the acting department.
Damn!!!
I liked the ep, but what the F*CK was with TR's hair?!?! It was all...
hmmm... what's the word? Floppy?
Flat?
I agree the lack of action and etc was somewhat unsual but please guys stick with season 7, we know about Lost City and we know about season 8; just stick with it. We dont need Sci-Fi to pull the plug on Season 8 if somehow the ratings drop darastically. (They have done it before numerous times). We owe this to Stargate SG-1 and we owe it to ourselves and each other.
damn i never realised how good of an actor MS really is , he was great all those different characters he played , he had to change the personality of the character he was in an instant & he did it well , it got quite emotional @ some bits , i felt sorry 4 the guys who had 2 be 'lifeboats' , yes this ep really made you think hard about alot of things.
Snore. No action. Shanks did a great job acting. Multiple personalities are hard to pull off. But he made it convincing.
TR is looking old. I use to think she was the youngest member on the cast. Now it looks as if she and Jack are jockeying for the Old Person award. Who ever did the makeup for this ep really messed up. And her Hair!! Whats up with that?
unrelated - I was watching Bird On A Wire on sunday morning. Mel Gibson and Goldie Hawn. There was a cop that wasn't on camera for very long but it was deffinetly Christopher Judge. I was like " Hey, Check out Teal'c in that cop uniform" my wife was laughing.
Happy week everybody
Devil's Advocate or just my opinion : was this episode the kind of thing that got MS to come back to the show? more air time, more acting, more use of his Wonderful Talent? ... at the expense of the action of the whole, at the expense of the rest of the cast? ....
I enjoy the character of Daniel etc. etc., the show story itself was ok, I lean a little to those who yawned about this episode.
But more so, I think this was about MS and not the character or the team or the fun and action of the show, etc, etc, etc.. This was the MS episode.
Hope Amanda and Richard and Terry and ...what's Tealcs name? (and how does one spell Tealc?) ... get their share of episodes to glow in...
Caio!
I think this was a very good episode for MS and TR. The acting was excellent! And the way Daniel kept switching personalities was priceless! I think this was an excellent episode!
I know this is off the subject but i actually drove by the REAl Cheyenne Moutain yesterday, and it has all kinds of towers and radars on top of it. We weren't allowed to drive by the entrance though. I aslo found out that they supposedly do Deep Space Radar Telemetry there. Key Word: Supposedly ![]()
Oh, by the way solar, it's spelled: Teal'c
Hey Again
I thought m.s. came back to get more screen time.(lol he couldn't find a real job to make child suport payments) but i think the producers are going to let each actor direct episodes again, yes i know r.d.a. is a producer.
i'm so hoping there is action in the next episode, like the sneek preview showed....!!!!
This episode proves my theory, Shanks only came back to stargate because they promised him more acting (Dramatic scenes) and the only other shows that would hire him where crapy SciFi's, have you seen the other crap hes done ( Twilight Zone & The Outer Limit )[they are ok shows just not the eps he was in]
| QUOTE (Kerza @ Jul 22 2003, 07:29 AM) |
| This episode proves my theory, Shanks only came back to stargate because they promised him more acting (Dramatic scenes) and the only other shows that would hire him where crapy SciFi's, have you seen the other crap hes done ( Twilight Zone & The Outer Limit )[they are ok shows just not the eps he was in] |
My usual summary on the latest episodes. This should be shorter than usual, mainly because of the reasons I am going to mention.
I didn't like the episode. Okay, it wasn't a bad episode, it wasn't even a boring episode, it was just that to Stargate SG1 standard it seemed a little bland. Nothing much seemed to happen - actionwise, storywise, science fiction wise, there wasn't anything to hold to. It ended to quickly before you got completely drawn in.
The one major thing that stood out (and Im sure lots of people here will have notice) in this episode, is that it seemed to showcase on Shank's acting. Unfortunately for him, the episode is pretty poor making it seemed like it was made just for him.
The talking about souls in one body was interesting enough but it didn't go deep enough, just touched the surface and that was it. The resolution to the episode is just as simple - Earth offering their people another way that the guy accepted readily.
The ending is sad though. Overall, a very very light episode, another 'filler' episode that doesn't really contribute to the main storyline. Nothing really happened, nothing really changed - even if you didnt see this episode, you would have missed nothing. (Unless your a Shank fan then you would have missed his acting).
A shame really - I never really have anything negative to say usually. Just one guys opinion.
Edit: BTW, I forgot to mention that I liked the fact that Jack opted to stay with Daniel. It was one of those rare moments that Jack showed he cares.
A good non-action episode. The problem is that if ever episode was filled with action, it would get boring, not to mention expensive. I agree with the majority that MS can act. His portrayal of the young kid was impressive. As soon as the episode revealed that the one awake person was the kids father I knew what sacrifice was going to happen. Quite touching and sad.
One thing, maybe just me, but this story reminded me of an episode of The Next Generation where Data has personalities downloaded into him from a probe and goes through similar mood swings. Right now I cannot remember the name of the episode, but it ended with a cool temple set and the fact that the various personalities in Data were describing how the sun and the moon are related and chase each other.
I actually really liked this episode. But I agree with what everyone's saying about Michael Shanks & his acting. I had a huge crush on him when I first started watching SG-1, but the more I watched & the more I found about about him...the more the crush deflated. Oh well. Too bad RDA is old enough to be my father!
Also, was anyone else disturbed by the idea of being DEAD while you're consciousness is still alive & aware???
Yah... Jacky O is turning into a puss. he's not the cold hearted bitch that he was..
quote from Chrominium "Edit: BTW, I forgot to mention that I liked the fact that Jack opted to stay with Daniel. It was one of those rare moments that Jack showed he cares. "
I really enjoyed this episode. I thought that it was impressive how Daniel's personality changed his whole desposition. He had a diffrent posture for each character and everytning. Its weird. I watched a movie on PAX the night this episode first aired caled All Around Town. It was about a young woman with multiple personalities and Micheall Shanks played her phyciatrist. It was pretty ironic.
I really didn't like this ep. It was very boring. Everything was so predictable.
And I must add: The acting performance of MS was disappointing. OK, not too bad for an actor who plays in a scifi series. But look at his face. He is so limited in his expressions.
His acting skills are sufficient for tv shows like this, but are far far not good enough for a major movie or even for a good stage performance
Good acting but OMG the episode was boring.
PS: Can they PLEASE, PLEASE Stop Jack from becoming a Wuss with the constant Sarah loving eps. Not talking about Season 7 in particular but in general. I really don't want any kind of romance within the team.
| QUOTE (ZxExN @ Jul 25 2003, 06:02 PM) |
| PS: Can they PLEASE, PLEASE Stop Jack from becoming a Wuss with the constant Sarah loving eps. |
I don't like the Doctor at all.. they should use a prettier actress.
Really great acting, kinda boring though. NOthing really happened, just a buncha talking. I think it was one of those episodes where you can watch it once and say it was good, but if you watch it again it becomes insanely boring. But thats only my opinion.
Well that was by far the worst ep in seven years. It was soooooo boring and Shank's over acting was laughable.
You seem to be in the minority on that one.
wahhhhhhhhh was RDA using a sig?????????????
Looks like the next time we see the team together, it will be in a confrontation with key Goa'uld players with Fragile Balance being the only exception. The theories behind why we are seeing more of one character one week and less of another lies in the focus of in depth character development. A couple of years back Michael Shanks wanted to see more of Daniel being developed, when things didn't go the way he liked it, he left. I'm sure there is more to it than that but it's pretty much the just of the situation.
Working in RDA's desire to spend more time with family, the increased behind the scenes contributions of Chris Judge, Michael Shanks and Amanda Tapping, this is the way things will be for the rest of season 7 and season 8. More episodes devoted to character development and not nearly as much of the full team interaction that we are use to seeing in seasons 1-6. This could also be the proper setting for the eventual transition of focus from the SG-1 series to Atantis.
Well, I liked this ep. Didn't love it but didn't hate it.
I liked the idea for it (multiple personalities in one body. I love things like that) I just don't think it was a particularly great way of doing it.
I seem to recall Voyager doing an episode like this. Seven played host to a whole bunch of personalities. She acted it really well (despite the fact that usually her acting irritates me) and I think the guys on Voyager did a better job with this idea than the good ol' folks at Stargate.
I think you only really saw about 3 personalities in Daniel. Considering that was the main focus of the show, it was kind of a let down that it wasn't explored more or developed. The pace of the show was a little off and I think the story could have done with tweaking. Add something a little more interesting rather than panning it out with, well, needless flashbacks.
I can't quite put my finger on what was missing in this ep, but something was. Shame.
Still, I like it anyway.
I once saw a foreign language movie that had no subtitles. It forced me to pay attention to facial expressions and body language to undertsand the story. What's this have to do with Lifeboat you might ask? Well, after reading all the praise for MS here I thought I may have been a bit off the mark with my earlier post. So I watched this ep again with no volume (which as a side note got rid of those laughable accents) and paid closer attention to his performance. Contrary to popular opinion he really was waaaaaay over the top on this one. He was like the star of a local amateur theater production emoting for the people in the back row. Everything was exaggerated from his posturing to his facial contortions. There was no subtlety in his performance whatsoever. With the child, the engineer and the sovereign he didn't create three characters so much as three caricatures. He's great as Daniel and previously did the sarc addict and insane bit really well. But for mulitple personalities he should have taken his cue from the actor who played Pharrin. A much better performance from that quarter.
So ends my rant.
| QUOTE (dorien @ Oct 12 2003, 12:37 AM) |
| I once saw a foreign language movie that had no subtitles. It forced me to pay attention to facial expressions and body language to undertsand the story. What's this have to do with Lifeboat you might ask? Well, after reading all the praise for MS here I thought I may have been a bit off the mark with my earlier post. So I watched this ep again with no volume (which as a side note got rid of those laughable accents) and paid closer attention to his performance. Contrary to popular opinion he really was waaaaaay over the top on this one. He was like the star of a local amateur theater production emoting for the people in the back row. Everything was exaggerated from his posturing to his facial contortions. There was no subtlety in his performance whatsoever. With the child, the engineer and the sovereign he didn't create three characters so much as three caricatures. He's great as Daniel and previously did the sarc addict and insane bit really well. But for mulitple personalities he should have taken his cue from the actor who played Pharrin. A much better performance from that quarter. |
Just have to comment on this episode, as I've seen it about four times now...
As someone with personal experience concerning multiple personalities, this episode was pretty interesting (if not somewhat triggering, heh). It is really one of the "talkiest" episodes I've seen... I think the most "action" in this one is at the beginning when they're all hit by the stun that Pharrin set off. It does seem like a showcase for Michael Shank's acting... which was pretty incredible. He seems to be pretty good in these sort of roles, and he pulled off this particular role very well... if not too well. As mentioned, he assumed the different personalities down to the facial expressions, posture, tone of voice, even accent. It was pretty obvious they researched multiple personalities and dissociation for this episode, removed to a science-fiction concept... still, there was "switching", fragments (apparently, as there only seem to be three dominant, fully-formed personalities), the comatose host (Daniel only emerged for a couple seconds during the episode), etc. that I recognize. But still, I would have to agree that MS almost overdid it a little. The way the personalities argued aloud was almost too humorous, like a Gollum complex. I say this tentatively, but if the performance were truer to the reality, then MS should have been more subtle about the extent to which the personalities had control. There was no system to it, just a lot of people all jumbled together, each with apparently complete control until they randomly switch. I agree that Pharrin's acting was a little closer to it. But Shank's performance is still admirable... dulling the rest of the episode (which is pretty laid-back, with the rest of the characters either knocked out or watching multiple!Daniel, with very simple performances).
Still, gotta kick out of O'Neill's line. "I dare you to say that again."
| QUOTE (Tigrin @ Oct 13 2003, 05:55 AM) |
| He seems to be pretty good in these sort of roles, and he pulled off this particular role very well... |
TR & MGS were the stars in this show, baby! Well done...Always wanted to see more D/J interaction.
All right, I for one was glad that CJ & RDA didn't explode something or kill someone for once
Though I'll grant you I didn't like Martice none. I agree with some others that they shoulda told us what happened to the crew of the Stromos. [I]
I enjoy Mike's range and vocal accents. Tryan was almost companionable & Keenin was positively adorable! James Parks was brilliant as Keenin?s father Pharrin as well. ![]()
Sorry, sidebar: Names are a passion of mine. Does anyone know if Martice, Tryan, Keenin, or Pharrin are actual names? If so, any idea what they mean??
Tor: Thunder--Norse
Jonah: Dove--Hebrew
Jarren (sp?): To Shout Out--Hebrew
Carlin: Little Champion--Gaelic Remember them?
Okay, details aren't everyone's cup of choice...But, any comments or corrections are welcome.
Ok just seen that in the UK and I have to say it wasn't my most fav of season 7 but i still liked the whole idea. Michael Shanks acting was great especially when he played that little kid
Umm what was with that season 5 box set advert afterwards i think that was the region 1 one lol.
Also i thought the idea of the lottery on the passengers homeworld was cool, where they got selected etc. That reminds me of i think the film was called "Deep Impact" ![]()
Jonny
I just saw this one for the first time tonight and I really liked it. Ok, so I'm partial because it had lots of MS in it and you know that I'm just going to love any episode that's got lots of Danny in it
I had a few chuckles at first when MS was doing the accent thing to begin with but when I got used to it I realised just how good an actor he really is. Especially when he played the boy Keenin or whatever his name was, I thought it was really sad and emotional, even though I was still having a bit of a laugh seeing him act like a vulnerable little child.
Am I the only one who has noticed a real friendship emerging between Daniel and Teal'c? I've noticed them being "closer" in ways from the beginning of this season but something in this ep really brought it out to me. I guess it was just the way that Teal'c was there watching over Daniel quite alot. Jack also seems to have got alot more softer and caring in his old age. Aww...there all turning into mushy softies!
Anyway, despite what alot of people have said about there being no action and therefore it was a boring ep, I say it was good! I would rather watch an episode like this than watch one that was just non-stop action. But that's because I'm a much and a sucker for anything emotional (especially an emotional Danny
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After reading 3 pages of posts, i am amazed to see that many people dislike this episode and find it boring. I thought this episode was one of the best of ALL the seasons, (even though it did lack the humour and presance of RDA) and it is certainly my favourite episode of the season so far.
Although i thought that the writers could have done more with this ep, as the actual basic storyline of this episode had so much potential, the excellent acting from both MS and TR redeemed and transformed it entirely.
Ever since "The Rite Of Passage" i have been waiting for another episode where TR has a chance to be in the spotlight, and in "Lifeboat", i got my wish.
For those who have said that MS's acting was over the top, i cant stress enough how wrong you are. I dont know if anyone here has ever known or spent time with someone who has a personality disorder related to schizophrenia, but my grandfather had it, (basically he had multiple personalities that would pop up every now and then), and before he died, (of natural causes not of something related to his illness), he was counted to have had 3 different personalities "inside" him. There was my kind, loving grandfather (i guess you could call it his "original" personality) that you could have a laugh with, but then there was my cold, detached grandfather that always wanted to be left alone, and there was my agressive, arrogent and downright rude grandfather that hated everyone and wasnt affraid to show it.
I think it was Dorian that said that she thought MS's facial expressions/posture (body language basically) was exaggerated, but this is in fact, EXACTLY how someone with this kind of disorder conducts themselves. The way he suddenly switched back and forth from personality to personality, and the way in which he conducted himself was spot on. I dont think i have the words to describe just how incredible MS's acting really was in this episode.
I dunno....maybe you cant really compare this disorder to what Daniel went through in this episode, but i do know that although the personalities inside Daniel were quiet different to that of my grandfather, the way in which he acted was so much like someone with this condition, from the way he switched personalities to his use of body language, that it was almost like seeing my grandfather brought back to life.
*Pauses to take a breath*
Yip I totally agree with you Emmyloo - I LOVED THIS EPISODE - MS was brilliant in it, and so was Teryl. I think it has been my fave too - but I do think season 7 has been good all round, the only thing I have been disappointed in is the Jack thing - him not being in it as much - but you know eps like this one just go to prove that ok RICHARD DEAN ANDERSON comes up first before everything in the opening credits (which I always found a bif off) but you dont NEED him there to make Stargate good - ALL the cast have it in them to be the star of the show. (and believe me I never thought I would say that)
can wait till the next installment - roll on next Monday.
| QUOTE (Jon The UK SG-1 Fan @ Nov 3 2003, 04:03 PM) |
| Umm what was with that season 5 box set advert afterwards i think that was the region 1 one lol. |
i thought the first thing she said was Janet! you must be hear or wishing for things, lol
I though it was a good ep! i like the part where jack was on bout nails in his head.
i would say this is the second best ep of season 7 behind Fragile Balance.
| QUOTE (Jon The UK SG-1 Fan @ Nov 3 2003, 10:03 PM) |
| Umm what was with that season 5 box set advert afterwards i think that was the region 1 one lol. |
| QUOTE (Behenna @ Nov 4 2003, 12:27 PM) |
| i thought the first thing she said was Janet! you must be hear or wishing for things, lol |
but the region 2 one is green and the one they showed was red/orange which i think is the region 1 one. ?89.99 lol who do they think they're kidding like ?45 on play.com
I agree with everybody who thinks this is a great ep. I think it is the 2nd best ep of series 7 [next to Fallen] so far. MS was briliant at acting especially how he had to change roles so quickly. That said though we have done the DJ going crazy and crash landing Ship thing a bit much now.
| QUOTE (stargatesweetie @ Nov 4 2003, 05:41 AM) |
| BTW did anyone else notice that when Sam woke up in the infirmary the first thing she said was "Jack"?...or was that my imagination? |
I loved this episode alot more than i thought i would (teaches you not to read spoilers) but there is one thing i didn't like, the ending. It ended in complete for me, i mean they showed Daniel waking up and said a few words then they closed, i would of liked to see more of the 'waking' the people.
yer i was waiting for that and was dissapointed when it didn't happen!
they would of freak when they saw sg-1 and sg-4!
| QUOTE (ramuund @ Nov 5 2003, 12:50 AM) |
| I loved this episode alot more than i thought i would (teaches you not to read spoilers) but there is one thing i didn't like, the ending. It ended in complete for me, i mean they showed Daniel waking up and said a few words then they closed, i would of liked to see more of the 'waking' the people. |
Sam and Daniel both said Janet...not Jack.
Which just goes to show that they like haing janet around as much as I do.
It was great to see Janet again but for and episode where they said there were at least 12 people in Daniel I was disapointted that we only got to see three of them.
Shanks is brilliant as the schizo! He played his different personallities excellent. It just shows that he can do so much more than just play "nerd" Daniel...
Two thumbs up!
Greetz, King Hans
I agree he played the different personalities perfectly.....
I liked the little scared Kid one....
My favorite was the crewman. He had a dignity that Daniel doen't have.
I'm glad they gotten Michael Shanks into the psycho outfit again. He's always good in it. The bit with the child was excellent. I particularly enjoyed Teryl Rothery's involvement.
| QUOTE (Jacks Girl @ Nov 3 2003, 06:42 PM) |
| Yip I totally agree with you Emmyloo - I LOVED THIS EPISODE - MS was brilliant in it, and so was Teryl. I think it has been my fave too - |
i also liked this one , my little brother dont get into scifi much ,but he loved lifeboat so my point is ..u dont have to be a stargate or even a scifi freak to see what a grate show stargate can ( is ) be any one can wach and enjoy it
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I thought Michael Shanks played a spectacular performance- his ability to switch between personalities like that and make it look so convincing was amazing- especially with the little boy- I was nearly crying at the end!
I really, really, really liked this episode. Like most of you have said Teryl Rothery and Michael Shanks did a wonderful job in this episode!
I don't agree with the episode being to "Boring" ... I think it's nice to have a none action episode once in a while, don't forget that this is still the beginning of this season, So don't start underestimating Stargate now, like someone said before (I am so sorry I can't remember who you were!) Stick with Stargate, Keep supporting it and be blown away in the later episodes!
well, this was the first season7 episode i've seen (so i've missed a few) but MS acted amazingly. There was a lot of different characters but he gave them all a uniques personality. It looked like a tough role but he carried it off brilliantly.
there was a slight lack of action but then again, I haven't seen any of the other eps (in s7) to relate it to.
What on odd idea for a episode. Oh, poor Daniel. It was a bit misleading though, they made it out to be a definute that all Danny's pasengers would die [even more] but they were just taking a risky journey into the other guy. It was a bit disapointing that we never found out if they made it into the guys head intact though.
this was a good episodea little odd but good
Ohhh this episode was so GOOD! I mean, I notice that many of you found it "boring," but I didn't, at all. I loved it. Especially with Daniel and Fraiser getting to act differenter than they usually do.
I thought the bits with that poor kid were SO SAD. Yes, I am a Sap. A Horrible sap. I was feeling so sorry for that poor kid and his dad and Daniel all at once. So I ended up loving the episode. And being really sappy and really sad.
The end.
I personally found this one a bit dull. The acting was first class especially from MS however I just thought the storyline lacked depth and was a bit one dimensional. It was an alright episode however it is not one i would be able to watch again and again like most sg1 eps. I think that this one was maybe just a filler episode in this series. Still a fairly good show though.
I like this ep.
| QUOTE (Kesiah on Dec 12 2003 @ 03:25 PM ) |
| I think that this one was maybe just a filler episode in this series |
| QUOTE (Dafmeister @ Dec 12 2003, 04:32 PM) |
| I think most of season 7 has been filler eps. Thats not say i didnt like them, but when you have eps like 'Avenger 2.0', 'Space Race' and 'Birthright' that cant be developed (ok in Birthright they could involve the female Jaffa again). But what im saying is that a lot of the eps have had little or no relevance to 'normal' SG1 eps, e.g. fighting Anubis, the rebel Jaffa, more about the Ancients. |
Well unfortunately I am yet to see most of the first half of the series so I may have made that judgement a bit too early although I just did get the impression that this may have just plugged a hole in the series. From what the spoilers say though the second half of the season should hot up a bit more.
Michael was great in this episode. This episode and Legacy completely show off his greatness. I was amazed. He preformed so well and went back and forth between characters so well. I think he deserves a round of applause.
Shanks was absolutely great in this episode!! I loved the way he played the personailty of the little boy, i had tears in my eyes when he was talking to his father.
This is definetly Shanks at his best, in my opinion.
| QUOTE (Dafmeister @ Dec 12 2003, 11:32 AM) |
| I like this ep. I think most of season 7 has been filler eps. Thats not say i didnt like them, but when you have eps like 'Avenger 2.0', 'Space Race' and 'Birthright' that cant be developed (ok in Birthright they could involve the female Jaffa again). But what im saying is that a lot of the eps have had little or no relevance to 'normal' SG1 eps, e.g. fighting Anubis, the rebel Jaffa, more about the Ancients. |
I too was really hoping this episode would continue some storylines. There was a topic out there about too many stand alone episodes in season 7. I would have to agree.
My opinion of the episode was that it seemed like it had been done before...kind of. I was hoping for a more original idea.
I absolutely love this episode. It is by far, one of the most original...and thought-provoking...Stargate stories the show has ever done, and I'll tell you why.
1. For the first time, we meet a race of people who know nothing about the stargate's existance or history, yet who had needed access to it more desperately than perhaps any civilization we've ever seen.
In contrast, every time SG1 has ventured to a planet, the majority of its people either take the stargate for granted, or treat it as a god-like mechanism. Yet here was a civilization trying to save what it could of its people and had to resort to 'low-tech' travel. The look on Farrin's face when told about the stargate said it all...where the hell was this device when they needed it?
2. The idea of multiple personalities being loaded into one body. I noticed that the 'lost' crew members essences were referred to as souls, consciousness and personalities and that those definitions were used interchangably. Yet when I think of a soul it brings to mind a more religious connotation. So then the question I ask is...what exactly does an EEG measure? I thought it was just 'brain activity' as in electrical impulses, but if there were 13 different readings on Daniel's EEG, how much of each person was actually in there? How does one define what a 'person' is?
On the other hand, Trion indicated that each sleepers body took up a huge amount of memory in corresponding 'matrix modules'. So the second question is....how the hell would one fit the total brain capacity of 12 people inside one person? The only way to do that would be assuming that the average human brain only uses 8% of its total capicity, leaving room for the other 'passengers'.
3. The acting. I thought MS, TR and James Parks (Farrin) definitely took their characters on a great ride, and anyone who thinks that MS was 'over the top' probably isn't an actor and has no clue how difficult it is to pull something like that off. I'm not an actor either but I used to work around them, and that took a hell of a lot of concentration and discipline, both on MS part and JP as well.
4. The way Peter DeLuise showed the crew members that were inside Daniel. The two flashbacks of Trion and the boy were great since they added an additional human element to MS performance. Also, I think Peter DeLouise got in a quick shot of Martise in his sleep chamber...it was at the end of a quick left to right shot that ended on an older guy in one of the sleep chambers. Definitely looked like the 'leader' type....just guessing of course.
5. Trion's explanation of what had happened...and he and the other passengers were basically doomed. Nothin' said 'we screwed' like that shot of him pouring that glass of water back into the pitcher.
and now for griping section..
1. During the flashback when Farrin (actually someone inside Farrin) was explaining what happened when the ship crashed, I wish they had thrown in a shot of Farrin actually hooking himself up to 'save' the first 13 passengers. I understand why they didn't show Daniel being hooked up because they wanted to keep it a mystery at the beginning, but it would've been nice to see Farrin's attempt.
2. There was a weird break away from the Daniel/Janet scene when Farrin's son 'emerged'. They cut to Teal'c and Carter at the ramp ready to go back to the planet, then cut back to the Daniel/Janet scene which was still in progress and no time had lapsed...just struck me as a bit of a jolt...
| QUOTE (mithwriter @ Jan 8 2004, 03:31 PM) |
| ...and anyone who thinks that MS was 'over the top' probably isn't an actor and has no clue how difficult it is to pull something like that off... |
Ok, I've read through all the posts and have kinda collected my thoughts. First of all, I'd like to state my posistion on the goodness of this ep. I am obviously biased and would give it a 10 for having such a wonderful amount of Teryl in it, but when I strip away the bias, I have to go with a 7 because I can see how some would think that it was a little bland. However, I understand the need for low-budget episodes (dialogue heavy) to make up for the higher budget eps. This was a wonderful dialogue episode and beautifully acted by all except MS.
This brings me into point 2. I feel that MS could have done a better job under acting it than over acting it. This came off as a "Freaky Friday" type role where he switched roles so radically that it was almost comedic. This is simply an opinion and is not up for debate.
Now, onto my Teryl/Janet blurb: Whee, this had to be a fun episode for Teryl. She got to wear something other than a lab coat!!!!!!!! And I didn't know that they made BDUs that tiny, or the vests either. Also, I'd like to emphasize what stargatesweetie said about Teryl's performance being "excellent as usual." She is absolutely brilliant, even as a lead role (surprise)! I really like her being out in front getting the spotlight for a change. Now, onto unhappier topics, Teryl's hair is completely horrid.
Whoever is doing her hair this season needs to be shot. . .with buckshot. Yeah, that'd teach them. And a tiny nitpick, the Air Force does not allow anyone to highlight their hair or dye it unnatural colors (blue, green, etc.). So, she should just go back to the nice auburn from the first few seasons and keep it that way. ****SPOILER!!!!!**** HIGHLIGHT (I know you're all saying, hey, it really doesn't matter, look at what's coming up in the next half of the season, but I'm living in my own little world of denial!)
Ok, now that that's all out, there is one last matter to which I must attend. ZxExN, we need to have a little chat. I mean this in the nicest possible way, but why the crap don't you like the Doc? Is it just because you don't think she's pretty? Have you even seen her in the first season? Teryl, like the rest of the cast, has aged 7 years since this all started. That's like a third of my life! Give the girl a break, she's gorgeous!
Ok, now that I've completely gone WAAAAAAY off topic, all in all, this episode makes my Top 10 list, mainly because of the amount of screen time Teryl gets.
Well, I loved the episode and your comments are scaring me! I personally thought MS did a great job, so now I'm worried - if I thought his performance was great, but in reality it was crappy, then I must be an even worse judge of it than I thought! Which is sad.
Poor, poor me.
Edit: actually it might be more of that ignorance and bliss thing. I cant tell great from crappy, and I think its all great... therefore I enjoy everything
Although I do end up looking like an idiot on the forums. So maybe the bliss part is wrong...
I thought that this was a really great episode I thought that Micheal Shanks did a wonderful job acting especially the really hard scenes when he had to go from being a sad child
to a cold hearted commander
and Teryl Rothery also did an amazing job she looked totally comfortable
cradling a grown man like Micheal Shanks like a child it looked totally natural this was a really great episode
One of the best Daniel Jackson episodes. Michael shanks really got to show off his acting skills.
MS did a exselent job in this episode. It must of been hard trying to do diffrent personly at once but he did do a good job.
Oh, I love this episode. I always get tears in my eyes when MS plays the little boy Keenan, and when he says "But we'll be together...?" to his father, it's so sweet. Like most people here, I think MS did a brilliant job, and so did Teryl Rothery. I love episodes with her in, especially ones like this where you can see how much Janet cares for the people in the SGC.
I missed this ep first time round and even now, I've only seen the end.
I thought it was GREAT!! Shanks' acting was brilliant and he pulled off the changes making it look natural
I await the start of the ep........
FYI regarding this episode being created for shanks as a lure, it was not written for him. it was a hold over script from the 6th season. they couldn't do the episode in the 6th season because they didn't have an actor capable of pulling it off. when shanks returned, this was an obvious part for him. why? because he could do it, and do it very well.
i don't know what kind of person shanks is and i don't care. i don't care why he left or came back. i'm not into actors as personalities, i only care about their talent.
i find some of the remarks about his protrayal being an example of bad acting, to be very very amusing. someone actually stated that shanks couldn't do well in a stage role, but was an adequate performer on tv! i guess someone had better inform the stratford shakespearian festival that they had made a mistake when they hired him, to say nothing of the highly acclaimed hamlet he performed back in 98 or 97. what in god's name were they thinking when they cast this barely adequate television actor in the role of hamlet, one of the most challenging roles ever written? you folks are pretty funny.
perhaps, what people are responding to in a negative way, is the fact that he's a classically trained stage actor and can use this ability when needed. stage actors have to project in order to reach the audience. personally, i think he used this talent to great effect in this episode (as he's done in a number of other's during the series).
shanks' projection as a stage actor was limited in this episode to the very arrogant, self important, obnoxious leader. of course that was over the top because the "king" was an over the top, selfish, overbearing personality. the other 2 characters were quite different. the child was wonderful and moving, and the engineer was so brilliantly portrayed and understated, that personally i wanted to see shanks continue to portray that character in some other film or tv show.
shanks is the best pure actor on the show. its been obvious to me since i watched children of the gods. my father was an actor and now teaches drama, my brother did opera, i've done some work as a stage manager. i've been around people like this my entire life. this is probably why i don't care about personalities; i think all actors are basically JERKS and i can give personal testament to this. however, i can appreciate talent for what it is. this fellow shanks is flipping brilliant, jerk or no jerk.
edited for a typo.
Hey, im new, so please be nice!
I felt it only right for my first post to post here, because this is one of my favourite episodes. Ok, so it doesnt have much action, but if it was all action all the time, it would be boring! I think this was brill, the acting was tremendous (esp the little boy) and it should go in as one of the top. Seeing how concerned Jack was was heart warming. Sum up - BRILL!
Welcome to the forums Steph!
You are writing in complete sentences, and without excessive abbreviations, you will be just fine.
I agree that the acting is awesome, It is definitely Michael Shanks best episode. Every character inside him was somewhat confused, and showed it in completely different ways. Quite a bit of mystery and tension in this ep as well.
I still can't believe that the other guy got all of those other people in him voluntarily, although, he must have been bored to death.
I was totally take back by this episode. Michael Shanks was amazing in Lifeboat and i thought it was one of the best episodes ever. The script was fantastic and i also thought Teryl Rothery put in a fantastic job of supporting Michael's many characters in this episode.
Well done stargate
This episode was good.
Daniel did a very good job in it.
I thought this episode was great and Michael Shanks did a very good job portraying like 9 people.
Come on people! It was a great episode...one of my personal favorites
I mean...my god...can MS be a better actor...i think not. He has an amacing talent for the dramatic and i love that.
BRING BACK SHA'RE....
I feel sorry for Daniel that he had to lose his true love! He didn't diserve that!
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| QUOTE (Souske Sagara @ Jul 18th 2003, 11:11 PM) |
| I dont mean to knock down the other actors but it seems Michael Shanks seems to have an inclination toward these these extreme emotional shifts in character. Although each actor in the series seems to be capable of very convincing and pensive acting. The person that played Faerun (spelling) was also excellent. I think the script was well done and the chemistry was excellent. This is Stargate SG-1 at its best. |
An average episode. Good acting, but I think I just don't like season 7 so far as much as the other seasons.
I had heard this was a great episode, designed specifically for Michael, and now I know why. He sold me on all the different folks in Daniel's body.
When he put his head in Janet's lap and cried, I nearly did, too. And Teryl was tremendous, also.
These kinds of eps., I think someone described them as two people locked in a room, are great way to showcase the talent they have on this show. And I think Michael and Teryl have such a spark together.
Malachi, why would you quote something and then not comment on it? That makes VERY little sense.
a great peice of ms acting if there ever was one
Couldn't the Asguard clone human bodies, then they could download the minds in Daniels body into the clones body. That way you don't have a dozen people inhabiting one body.
Great acting by MS. Reminded me of Legacy in season 3. The scenes with the father and son were sweet but that sovreign was awful! There were definately some Gollum/Smeagol moments with the different personalities in the same body. If you've seen LOTR it reminded me of the scene with Smeagol by the pool.
Yeah, I agree with Dr. Sam on the LOTR stuff.
There was some Gollum/Smeagol stuff. In perticular, that bit where Daniel would be looking at one camera, then it would flick to another (to show the change in personality)- that was deffinetly a Gollum/Smeagol bit!
I don't know whether this was in LOTR: Two Towers (the movie), but there was this bit where Sam & Frodo were sleeping, & Golloum/Smeagol had this convo. (it was just before the bit with the rabbits....) The way that scene was done was very like the scene in this ep.
How could this be a boring ep?! How could having 12 other people in Daniel's body be boring?
I just wanna ask something. At the start, Jack says that he & Daniel would check the things together, while Teal'c & Sam go together. But, after they are all knocked out, & Teal'c goes to look for his friends, did anyone notice that he found Jack first, then Sam. Wouldn't he have found Sam first, concerning that they had gone off in the same direction?
There's one bit which I SWEAR Melb7 used in the ad. It was this;
'You don't know who you're talking too!'-Daniel
'I don't give a DAMN!'- Fraiser.
I loved that bit- shows that MS & TR are good actors.
At the end, when Daniel wakes up, O'Neill says 'Like a nail in your head?' (or somethin' like that) & Daniel goes 'yeah'- The line O'Neill said was linking that back to the scene where O'Neill woke up!
this was a really great episode. The active by Rothery and Shanks was fantastic, i think that for an emotional episode, this would have to be one of the best, they had circumstances where there were powerful emotions going through...where was Daniels mind, will we get him back, whats happened, why and all that.
Michael Shanks has proved that he is a powerful actor.
| QUOTE (laurab @ Nov 21st 2004, 12:58 AM) |
| Yeah, I agree with Dr. Sam on the LOTR stuff. There was some Gollum/Smeagol stuff. In perticular, that bit where Daniel would be looking at one camera, then it would flick to another (to show the change in personality)- that was deffinetly a Gollum/Smeagol bit! |
i thought that gollum/smegal stuff was funny and at least they readily admitted to getting the idea from LOTR, i hate people that don't admit things.
This could go into the 'things I learned on the dvd', but it refers to this episode
RDA's father passed away while they were shooting this one, so while he was away to attend family matters his photo double did every shot that did not involve seeing RDA's face. In other words, if you didn't see RDA's face, then it wasn't him in the shot. This includes every over-the shoulder, the back of his head, or O'Neill walking away from camera.
When he returned to do his shots in the observation room, TR and MS actually redid their scenes in the isolaton room for him so he's have something to react off. Obviously, he was in the last shots in the isolation room.
Also, that last scene inside the ship is actually a combination of RDA's clean singles shot after everyone else had moved on to other scenes, and everyone else shot previously with RDA's double standing in for him.
micheal shanks plays this kind of roles very well
Just saw this episode and, like most people, was extremely impressed by Michael Shanks' acting. I thought it was definitely a good episode, even without much humor.
However, the real reason for my post is that this was the last episode of Stargate that I hadn't seen, so it's time for a victory dance...
Sorry if the last bit was a little off topic, I'm just really excited about finally knowing all the Stargate mythos up to the remainder of Season Eight!
very good played buy michael shanks
great, Micheal Shanks is a great actor. 9/10
My wife came up with a fairly good solution to the problem of what to do with the bodyless personalities.
Introduce them to Harlen!
We realize that they would be stuck on the planet with him, and that Martice would probably be 'royally' ticked off, but at least then the son and father could be together.
I would think that being alive and not needing to time-share a body would be much prefered.
Of course it might not be that easy since there was no body to duplicate, but that shouldn't be too difficult to get around.
James
shanks is indeed a good actor and i think that it is good that he came back only i think that they could have kept Corin Nemec on the show maybe not as a squad member but still as a meber of SGC
I was so impressed by MS acting. This was just a great look at how good an actor he really is. Its so good that he came back and got to do an episode like this that really shows he deserves and belongs to be on the show.
he was so convincing with all the character floating around in his head, even when he turned into that little child. I felt bad for that kid. The Sovreign was a really jackass but, although he ws pretty funny when he started talking about Janet as the short woman.
yeh shanks was bloody awesome ey!!!
his acting made me believe he was actually those people.
good on him!!!
He really took his acting to a new level since he came back for the start of season seven. Its like he spent the majority of season six just waiting for another chance.
it was really cool to see DJ/MS act like multiple personalities, He is such a good actor and this episode really showed that.
Little off topic:
Duet Spoiler
Overall an episode with not much going on. The acting was fantastic though, especially M. Shanks. Even though he's not my favourite on the show, he's certainly the best actor in the cast. All those personalities he displayed were just awesome. I found myself shedding a couple of tears for the young boy and his reunion with his father. Good stuff.
I have just rewatched this episode and it is still good. this has to be one of the best MS episodes so far.. I wounder if we will see the humans from the transport ship again in future episodes
Im not sure i liked this episode all that much, i can tell you that MS did an awesome job of acting for all the characters, but the whole idea of this episode wasn't high on my list. I know stanger things have happened to the team but i just didn't like the whole 10 people stuck in the body thing and they come out at different intervals. All i can say is it was a good chance to show everyone how good MS is at acting.
You know I just watched this episode on scifi channel, and I was just amazed at how well MS played that poor kid. Can't belive he almost left the show.
I also just got done watching this episode on sci-fi. MS did such a great job portraying each of those people. Just shows how much of a good actor he really is. I felt sorry for the little boy, even made me cry some.
And his "Short woman" line was classic
So that bright flash that knocked them all out was that little device that one of the crew carried?
It was probably some sort of weapon, similar to those stun grenades the Jaffa have (the ones that made SG1 go blind temporarily in 'The Serpent's Lair').
Would you think that after all the time that they have been there, they did not find the stargate.
Chances are that they didnt even know the Stargate existed. There is nothing to say that ther original planet had a Stargate.
EDIT: Invisible got here first.
I loved this episode so much MS and TR were fantastic
danny as the little boy was good and didn't you just wanna punch the leader he was only concerned about himself -total loser.
it was great how they all played it right...they were scared they were gonna loose danny not long after getting him back.
fantastic ep
this was a great episode and showes mikel shanks range as an acter
an i loved the fact that a race that can freezed most of there poulation just canot believe about the stargate
Joel Goldsmith went above and beyond in creating the music for this episode. I usually don't like it when music gets reused in later episodes, but this soundtrack was so good I wouldn't have minded if it got recycled.
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