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Posted by: Arcady Jan 18th 2005, 4:28 PM

Season 1, Episode 19 - The Siege (Part One)
Air Dates - Canada: Jan 24 2005, UK: Mar 1 2005, US: Mar 18 2005

With a group of Wraith hive ships on the way to Atlantis, the team searches for a place to flee and a way to destroy the city. McKay leads a team to try and activate the Ancients' orbital weapons platform.

http://www.sg1archive.com/atlantis/s1.shtml#119 | http://www.sg1archive.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9056 | http://www.sg1archive.com/teasers/a119.html

(This topic is for people who have seen the episode to discuss it. If you don't want to be spoiled, don't read this topic.)

Posted by: Ghostdraconi Jan 25th 2005, 1:31 PM

You know, I was expecting the red-shirt to die.

Posted by: Lord-Jaffa Jan 25th 2005, 1:48 PM

wtf they killed the only english member of atlantis!

Posted by: eagle35 Jan 25th 2005, 1:49 PM

nice episode.... cant wait for the next one

Posted by: boy2star Jan 25th 2005, 2:16 PM

Liked this episode, they managed to do something; blow up one hive ship. And we got to see the awsome power of Ancients technology. We also see that theirs is far more advanced then the wraiths.
It was only the damage on the satalitte that gave us a second episode. Looking forward to the ending.

I specially liked the scene where Sheppard shot the wraith and Ford gave a small protest. But when he finished him off, after all the "smalltalks" noone said a word.

Posted by: nitesoul Jan 25th 2005, 2:23 PM

grodin, nooooo, that guy grew on me like siler and walter did, just wont be the same without him

anyway, i cant believe how dark the show has become, the genii massacre during "the eye" was dark but at least you didnt see their faces and you knew it was a matter of survival, if those 60+ genii made it in all was lost, but the way shepperd killed bob was just so wrong, he was caged and his threat factor was reduced to zero, you expected him to be treated like steve was, i guess i'm just not use to the good guys being so shady

the whole convo between weir and haling(sp?) was also a nice touch, as well as weirs being guilted into trying to save the database

talk about a cliffhanger though, at this point i think everybody already knows reinforcements are on the way from earth, but theres no mention of that here, cant wait to see how they pull that off

Posted by: rkenshin Jan 25th 2005, 2:30 PM

Timeline-wise is that "The Siege" takes place after SG1's s8 finale "Mobius"

Might be a bit strange to watch the Atlantis finale first before the SG1's finale doesn't air for maybe a few more weeks on SkyOne.

But all in all.. Good episode.. And I hope they don't kill off Dr. Zelenka so easily, he's pretty funny working with McKay.. Just like Dr. Beckett (which I heard was going to be in the opening credits next season)

Posted by: eagle35 Jan 25th 2005, 2:31 PM

i was glad to see that they found out that the ancients technology was more advanced than the wraits... but the wraiths had more numbersand thats why they fell.. i liked the weapon they used... shame it was only one shot

also it was supprising that with all the hard drives they brought and that compression software that they have, they can only take 7-9% of the ancients database..

i only just found out that there are reinforcements comming to atlantis via ship.. but like nitesoul said there is no indication of them commin in either shows so far... (i no that the last episodes of SG-1 is about saving atlantis..)

Posted by: Carter-Hot Jan 25th 2005, 2:55 PM

Well I'm getting the part 1 of the finale and I so glad that the english guy will die! God did I hate him after mocking Sheppard with that smirk after the Major got told off by Weir in "Hot Zone".

Posted by: PsXDnS Jan 25th 2005, 3:10 PM

Damn, this episode was way too short - yes, time is relative, but face it, it went by quick.

Posted by: ComandStaff88 Jan 25th 2005, 3:59 PM

[quote=rkenshin,Jan 25th 2005, 3:30 PM]
Timeline-wise is that "The Siege" takes place after SG1's s8 finale "Mobius"

Might be a bit strange to watch the Atlantis finale first before the SG1's finale doesn't air for maybe a few more weeks on SkyOne.

Your not kiding i,am in Canada so we get SGA first and S8 SG-1 doesn't start till Feb 10 on Space. (don't think its played on any other chanel yet)

I don't like spoilers but i can't help feel i'am missing out on understanding the big picture.

spoiler board here i come................

This ep builds on how much they are screwed if they don't catch a break.
the part with Bob, it was obivous that Sheppard wasn't going to get anything from him, so y not get out some anger and let Teyla have a break from feeling them all the time. Bob just had to Die.

Posted by: Arigas Jan 25th 2005, 4:20 PM

Actually, Bob was still a threat. He was an enemy saboteur, which to me right there, means he should be killed. Plus, he tried to kill Shepperd

And killing off Grodin....Man, that was harsh... He was one of the funnier guys who sat around and did stuff that was otherwise pointless. Plus, we need someone to point out the obvious.

Can't wait for the next episode

Posted by: Drizzt's Syn Jan 25th 2005, 4:32 PM

Great episode!

Yeah, they better not ever kill off Zelenka Kill the guy with the ponytail who was constantly *****ing about the others! I really love Zelenka's and McKay's bickering.

I think I'm going to wait until after Moebius to watch part 2...The spoiled peeps seem to imply that Earth will somehow be playing a role in it...

Posted by: Carter-Hot Jan 25th 2005, 4:37 PM

Haven't watched all the episode yet because I'm watching Stargate SG-1 ("Reckoning, Part 1") and Atlantis ("Before I Sleep") on Sky One.

But I'm going to watch the season 1 finale of Atlantis then catch "Moebius" to explain how the team and ship arrived at Atlantis, besides it doesn't matter the order cos it will still make sense.

Posted by: Col Squirts Jan 25th 2005, 4:44 PM

Kavanaugh (SP?) should been in the weapons platform. Nobody likes him.

Posted by: Carter-Hot Jan 25th 2005, 5:15 PM

At last, finish watching the episode and wow is all I could say, even though I didn't Peter, the way he died was a noble one should have said, "oh crap", instead of "i'm sorry"

Posted by: gmanea Jan 25th 2005, 7:53 PM

Someone please explain to me why the wraith in Atlantis can't telepathically tell the wraith on the hive ship information? Such as all about atlantis and that he had been found out etc....

If Telya can get information from the wraith on the hive ships and they can take over her from there, why can't the wraith on atlantis simply relay information to the wraith on the hive ships?

Posted by: GuNdj Jan 25th 2005, 8:16 PM

I was thinking the same thing.
When Weir was annoucing that they were defenceless against the Wraith after the satalite was destroyed and were going to evacuate I thought surely the Wraith could telepathically tell the other 2 ships what Weir said and then they would just attack straight away instead of waiting to rethink their strategy.

If Teyla could connect to the Wraith in the Hive ships last week, Bob could definitely just tell them whatever he wanted. I expected Sheppard to kill him sooner so he couldn't communicate anything, but instead they seemed to disegard that fact and they just stood their while Weir was announcing their plans.

Posted by: prometheus Jan 25th 2005, 8:46 PM

seriously Kavanaugh is an a** wipe and should be killed...what a buTT
hehe but i agree with Drizzt's Syn about the whole Zelenka and McKay thing, that is great to watch. McKay is just an all around ass but hey with Zelenka around it just gets better and better lol

Posted by: madmike Jan 25th 2005, 10:00 PM

I have to DL these as they are not even being shown in Australia yet. Just got ep119 and could not resist having a sneak peak with my wife looking over my shoulder.

The ponytail bloke should have been the bloke in the satellite but he is probably hiding somewhere cowering in fear!

Looking forward to seeing part 2. Great to be able to see some quality SF now along with SG1

cheers

Mike

Posted by: frostychocolatemilkshakes Jan 25th 2005, 10:26 PM

I enjoyed this episode. I thought we would have heard from Earth at the very end, but we didn't! They have a lot to resolve in 42 min next Monday! However I?m sure they will leave some kind of cliffhanger to lead us into season 2. The ancient weapon was very cool too bad the wraith destroyed it. I'm sure it had powerful shields but because they used the Naquadah generator to specifically power the weapon they probably didn't have enough juice to power the shields. Too bad!

Looking forward to the final episode!

We love Atlantis!!!

Posted by: noradd Jan 25th 2005, 10:46 PM

you forget that, wraiths can send information telepatically. What makes you certain that a caged wraith cannot send intel to the motherships? Again, it's a matter of survival. If he was mad, then so be it, but i dont think it was the sole reason why he shot the wraith. It could also be a security threat, and sheppard kept his explanation to himself. [as he always does, unless mckay is around]

Posted by: PsXDnS Jan 26th 2005, 12:15 AM

They should set a trap for the wraith - trick the wraith into thinking the alpha site is at that planet where that hot ancient chick is on and she'll blast the crap outa them... these wrath have supposedly been traveling for a long time so they wouldn't know about that planet's defenses...

Posted by: nitesoul Jan 26th 2005, 1:09 AM

i never said he couldnt, i'm sure up until that point he was still sending information, they mentioned that bit about not detecting bob sending any transmissions to the hiveships while he was on the city, well thats how he would have done it, and i'm pretty sure that once they remember that, telya will be comepletely vinidcated of leaking out info to the wraith

but all in all it doesnt change the fact that once he was caught and stuffed in a cage he couldnt find out any new intel on them that he hadnt already given the out to the wraith, and why didnt he tell the hiveships what weirs anouncment to the city was? well hes was stuned with the wraith gun a few times and was being shot to death by shepperd, its seems bob would be a little too distracted

bottom line, shepperd tortured bob for info to the point of bobs death, the sgc never did that with any of the goa'uld they held, heck the nid even remained civil toward the conrad symbiot(not that they havent resorted to torture), its shepperd crossing the line or at least bluring the normal conventions of the good guy(i'm in no way saying that i dont like the darker aspects the show is taking, just surprised)

Posted by: corduroy Jan 26th 2005, 1:54 AM

Nooooo Grodin!

sigh.. I hope they introduce another person. Atlantis is much more interesting when there's a cast of semi-regulars who show up from time to time. To me, the show feels more "knit" that way. just my opinion.

hehe, the guy with the ponytail... i hate him so much but it's always nice to have someone like that

i already can't wait for next season.

Posted by: Cuokuo Jan 26th 2005, 4:27 AM

Great ep and i so cant wait for the the rest of it....Its gonna be painful waiting

I was actually contemplating not watching it till I got both parts so I could watch them both together in one go and save myself the pain of having to wait for the next ep but the temptation really got to me so i gave up

Now i wonder how they're gonna destroy the other 2 hive ships.... I dont think they will loose Atlantis (i havent read any of the spoilers yet)

Posted by: Evo Jan 26th 2005, 7:36 AM

This episode was filled with suspense. I can't wait for Part 2. Part 1 was only about blah blah blah though it was still good, I think all the action will be in Part 2. I just hope in part 2 there won't be a cliffhanger

I thought that Earth would contact Atlantis on Part 1, but I guess I was wrong. Weir's speech was great and with the music along with the "Virus Standby" it was sad. Then came Sheppard as he shot the Wraith, hahahaha nicely done.

Posted by: Mental Case Jan 26th 2005, 8:42 AM

I'm kinda happy thingie died, I mean I'm not sure if thats an english actor or not but his accent and such seemed kinda faked at least to me.

Also, I knew he would call the wraith bob. I thought since the other one was called Steve he would naturally pick a rather plain name that you usually use for that kinda thing.. and I thought bob would be it. I was right!.

But bah, this topic annoys me a bit, I mean saying the spoiled people seem to think something is going to happen is more or less saying it will. If you put it in another way as just speculation then its not so bad.

Posted by: Nnahrino Jan 26th 2005, 9:17 AM

Agreed, good episode and cant wait for the 2nd part.. although i will have to wait several weeks for SG1 finale first.

However can people please stop putting in spoilers, this topic is for discussion on THIS episode and not what you've read happens in the next episode/2nd part.

If you have to use spoilers please use the provided tags.

I'm sure several others have read comments about the 2nd part which has kinda ruined it for them. If people want spoilers they go to the spoiler forum.. people who dont, try and take great care to avoid them so please be considerate to other people and post spoilers in the appropriate places. Thank you

Posted by: anja Jan 26th 2005, 9:19 AM

I was in no doubt that some one would die in the satellite but I was convinced it was that other guy. Love Atlantis for giving it all visual effects and action.

I wonder how outsider actions will have an effect on Atlantis if any? :

Posted by: UltimateW Jan 26th 2005, 11:07 AM

I wonder didn't they bring bugspray with them to Atlantis ??? hehe

Nice episode, looking forward to 2nd part.

Perhaps the weapons platform had a teleporter to have anyone onboard if destroyed ?

Posted by: eagle35 Jan 26th 2005, 11:53 AM

it would be nice if they still had that time machine.... then they could of gone back to when the wraith first evolved and gave em a good telling off and a big kick up the rear...

Posted by: col.ross Jan 26th 2005, 1:31 PM

good episode!!!!!!!!!!!!! but i was expecting Earth to dial in rite at the end and bring thruw the new team and finished it there then it would be even more of a cliff hanger!!!!!!

Posted by: Bus Driver Jan 26th 2005, 5:40 PM

When I come in here to read the viewer discussion I don't want to read anything from you f***ing wankers who spill spoiler after spoiler into this thread. Is it so f***ing hard to keep to the subject off the goddamn thread? If you losers want to bitch about stargate until your dicks fall off, fine, but don't say s*** about spoilers here. You got that? I want to watch the f***ing show, without knowing how it'll end. So shut the f*** up.

This episode kicked ass as usual. Atlantis really went way beyond my expectations. Darker than SG-1 and hell of alot more realistic. Good to see a character who doesn't bitch about the rights off people who want to kill him.

-Bus driver

"Eat big, lift big, get big"

Posted by: eagle35 Jan 26th 2005, 5:51 PM

has anyone noticed how similar this is to season 1 of SG-1.. first episodes of the season is meeting the enemy then various missions and at the end of the season they come and attack them at their main base..

hope the other seasons wont be the same...

Posted by: prometheus Jan 26th 2005, 7:12 PM

yeah i think they should have had the earth team come through the stargate and the colonel (is that how u spell it?) tell wier that he's been sent to take over then it goes into the credits...that be a better ending. I suppose if they do that with the next episode then the beginning credits it'll be alright

stupid movie channel though had to go against the flow, couldn't just do it with everyone else so that sg1 would be coordinated with atlantis...o well at least the episodes are out there so it's all good i suppose

Posted by: TeamX76 Jan 27th 2005, 10:39 AM

Hey, Im new But i've been watching the Atlantis forum since the beginning of the series and i just said "what the heck.. make an Account!" - felt like mentioning.

Grodin was one of those people who you didnt really care about, but was good to be around! I cant belive they killed him off like that, I just hope that he turns up in the second series with a silly story. Example = The Satalite had a fail safe system for those on board and transported him to the nearby planet outpost.

Im just Wishing

But didnt McKay say at the start "the satalite powers up and could whipe out all 3 ships in one shot" ?! how come that didnt happen?

And im Guessing for the finale some officer with a chip on his soldier is going to try and take over Atlantis, someone like Maybourne, well hes OK now but at the start when people first met him.... hmmmm

Posted by: eagle35 Jan 27th 2005, 10:46 AM

i dont think it could of destroyed all 3 ships in one go tho... unless they all lined up next to each other in direct line with the weapon..

Shame about the malfunction tho... would of been nice to see more of it... cos at the mo we have hardly seen any ancient weapons except the atlantis shields, the missiles on earth and the puddle jumper and our latest weapon.. the satelite beam weapon... hope they find more later on...

Posted by: PokeThePuddle Jan 27th 2005, 8:01 PM

Shouldn't they have done periodic scans of the city. I just don't understand how they can be so ignorant... How can they miss Teyla's wraith sense.

And why didn't that wraith attack anyone last episode?


Apart from those two comments, this episode is great (as usual). Keep em coming

Posted by: TeamX76 Jan 28th 2005, 6:29 AM

Also How come they didnt have the sensors up and running? surely being in a Huge city, Under Threat, Being millitary and everything that they would think of Enemy operatives, Since the Acsended Ancient on that planet was detected by the system why didnt they keep it up.... Why didnt the City detect an Enemy life form, Wraith for crying out loud, and warn them..... HMMMMMM!

Posted by: eagle35 Jan 28th 2005, 6:41 AM

the reason they didnt have the sensors scanning the whole of atlantis is because that sensors needed a lot of power to run so they decided to narrow the scanning range and target it at the gate so if a wraith comes through they would no..

Posted by: ted_simple Jan 28th 2005, 4:24 PM

For a finale (part 1), it was disappointing. I don't see how the whole satellite-story which resulted in the destruction of one mothership was necessary at all. It just was a filler. Nothing changed. And now they have to wrap the essential plot into one episode.

Besides, adults should be able to plan ahead and take responsibility! I can't take that episode seriously. Why do they come up with the essential defense plan (the satellite) just 2 days before the Wraith arrive? They had months. Cheap tv show suspense. And hey, the security risk which Atlantis poses a] to earth, b] as a provider of the Ancient database, they begin to think about how to destroy the city two days before the Wraith come!? That virus which purges the memory should have been thought of a long time ago. And if they had just dealt with the issue early enough, I'm sure they could have found a way to backup all of the database. On some Ancient data crystal lying around.

Now seriously, if someone told me he wanted a copy of MY entire digital archives, it would take days to organize it! And Zelenka (sp?), who has other things to do, can spontaneously back the database up in no time, just when Dr Weir feels like it? If someone comes to me with that kind of thing, I tend to tell him "You should have raised that idea a bit earlier! In what a lunatic world do you live? The tech guys can do magic, but I don't have to understand a bit of it, eh?"

Posted by: Krystian SG1 Jan 28th 2005, 5:49 PM

Well the Wraith did know about the planet and how their ships got destroyed there, so they probably wouldn't go there. They should evacuate to the planet with the EM field.

Posted by: Christy Jan 28th 2005, 9:28 PM

even though i have read the spoilers for the next ep...it is disappointing to hear about what happens in the next ep in this thread.
i mean, we're meant to have that cliffhanger and now it sorta dampens it because someone has written that Atlantis gets help.
that's unfair for other people reviewing the ep in this ep.


i kinda thought this ep was slow...it was interesting though and i was sad groden (i think thats his name) died.
i actually quite liked him.

Posted by: KoKi Jan 31st 2005, 1:53 PM

Good eps... but how come they did not detect the wraith. Teyla white her new sense sould have be able to detect the wraith when he was running around on atlantis




wraith

Posted by: Christy Feb 1st 2005, 7:49 AM

Koki, did you not watch the ep?
she started to sense the wraith more...but she thought it was because she knew they were coming...but they figured out that she started sensing the wraith when the dart came along.
so she did sense the wraith...she just didn't realise it was in atlantis

Posted by: Arigas Feb 8th 2005, 10:07 AM

I'd juts like to point to Arcady's post at the first page.



Notice the last line in the brackets? That means, if you don't want to read anything about what happens, don't read the thread. After all, its impossible to discuss anything without saying what happened in the episode.

Posted by: fan_83 Feb 9th 2005, 1:48 PM

about planning ahead to destroy atlantis...

they had the self destruct in place and they thought it was sufficient .. it was until teyla told them that the wraith knew about earth that they had to make a more through job of it...

thats why they came up with the virus only 2days before....

and about detecting the wraith in the city: please watch the episode more clearly...
it was explained in the episode..

: teyla thought she got super powerful sense where she could detect wraith from light years away....

as she wasn;t in atlantis when the wraith crash landed... she didn;t know the difference....

until bates was taken out they didn;t want to waste power scanning the city every hour or so.. doesn;t make sense as they thought the dart which scan them in the first place was an unmanned dart...

Posted by: ali Feb 23rd 2005, 4:35 PM

I liked this ep, I liked that it was more centred around Teyla and we're starting to see more character related eps. It was cool when she went all evil and started chucking everyone around...how did the Wraith actually know she was there, and how did it do that to her? Did I miss something in the ep?
I have to admit I'm jealous of that Psychologist woman who's seeing Mckay...but what was he doing just stood in front of the door when Teyla came in?

I can't believe the series finale is next week already, it hardly seems any time since I was sitting down to watch the first episode!

Posted by: TeamX76 Feb 23rd 2005, 5:44 PM

it's not. Siege part one. then Part 2 the week after...

But at least Enterprise is taking the slot until they come back. i can remember being like this last year. SG1 ended with the battle above earth and i died on my seat. then Enterprise started and series 3 was a whopper O.O so series 4. The final. will keep me occupied till Stargate comes back.

Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 1st 2005, 5:09 PM

So the finale started today. Ali was correct.

An amazing episode. You can really tell where the creative genius is focused now. It was brilliant, so much better than 'Moebius'. Cant wait to see the second part. Hearing McKay scream when Groden (was that his name??) turned the gravity on make me laugh. I was expecting the satellite to last longer though. Cant believe Groden died. He was pretty much in every episode.

EDIT:

Posted by: glom Mar 1st 2005, 6:07 PM

Atlantis has completely shattered all doubts I had about a spin-off. This episode only confirms it. I guess why this spin-off works while the late Trek spinoffs didn't was that here, the idea came first, then the series, whereas with Trek, the producers just wanted to come up with some way of extending their ticket.

I didn't feel the sequence with the satellite was redundant. True, the threat is still effective, two ships are still perfectly capable of wreaking havoc, but at least it has been reduced slightly. I personally like the idea of troubleshooting around problems. Sure, it's all well and good when SG1 finds a big honkin' space gun in 'Lost City' that can wipe out 30+ ships at the snap of a neuron, but I find it more interesting when victory is claimed bit by bit.

It's the whole working the problem that I like. I just don't want "they're coming, they're coming, they're coming, look here's a deus ex machina, bang, they're gone." I like seeing them think of ways of dealing with the threat, trying to use them, and not completely succeeding. It's boring when the first attempt works. These people are troubleshooting, let's see them troubleshoot. It's not all about the bottom line.

It was good seeing them tinkering with the satellite. It was a bit spacey. Plus we got to see more Ancient technology and Groden had a noble death.

I like the way they have set up a whole slew of semi-regs and not just technician of the week. I think the writers realise that the more characters they can invent the better, since this is a fixed team.



Hardly. I have no problem with just discussing this episode because I don't know anything about the next one. You'll notice that Arcady has a seperate thread for each part. If you want to talk about both at the same time, post in the thread for the second part. Besides, there's always this neat spoilers feature.







I liked that. I don't want our good guys to always be saints.

Posted by: dr lee Mar 1st 2005, 6:11 PM

as hammond said in 'into the fire' (the one with hammond in the jaffa gate fighter thing)

YEEEE-HAAAAAA!

well i must agree with the people who said that this was better than SG1 'moebius pt1' it was great lots of tension.

in response to DAFMEISTER groben is (or was) called grodin.

i must suggest a moment of silence for peter grobin who sacrificed his life for atlantis. (stands up, unfurls a union jack and sings the national anthem and then plays the last post in rememberece of him). it was a case of the 'stiff upper lip' till the heroic end.

anyway.....back to the episode. it occured to me when the art flew over the city that the possibility of a wraith being 'beamed down' into atlantis but at the time i thought that he would have been detected.
SPOILER SPACE










the synopsis of PT 2 says that hammond appears some how. this got my brother thinking, most people know that O'Neill gets hammonds job in S9 but what happens that makes the job available for jack to take? does something happen to hammond in Atlantis? does he die?? or badly injured?

i don't think i can wait till next week for PT 2

Posted by: Dan Mar 1st 2005, 6:15 PM

It was a good episode, but I can't believe they got rid of the British guy (Grodin). There better be other Brits at Atlantis.

Posted by: Mad Mar 2nd 2005, 6:35 AM

And he was so fit! Damn them! Why couldn't they kill the pointless other dude?

Posted by: ali Mar 2nd 2005, 11:43 AM

Lol...I posted my comment for last week's ep in here. *sighs* I need a break..
This set up for next week's ep nicely. It's so bad that they can't fit any more data onto their hard drives and everything could be lost..and I can't help thinking that wherever they evacuate to, the Wraith might find them.
I can't believe that Groeden died! And what a horrible way to die as well...I liked him, why did he have to die?
The satellite ripping up the Wraith ship looked so cool! Literally ripped it in half!

Can't wait for next week's ep, it's gonna be cool.

Posted by: hawkes Mar 3rd 2005, 9:11 PM

Now this is what the first part of a season ender should be like. This set it all up perfectly, and i liked how they weren't afraid to kill of a character so early in the series life. And what a way for Groeden to die... stuck with no escape, to stand there and face your doom. He sacrificed his life in the hope of saving Atlantis... not a bad way to go really.

Can't wait to see how the Wraith are stopped in the end, and from the clips it looks like it's going to be good.

One thing though... the satellite using a beam weapon? The effect of it destroying the Wraith ship was great, but it kind of feels odd. It doesn't seem... Ancient like, lol. Still that's just me i guess.

Great episode overall, if only SG-1 hadn't done similar.

Posted by: triptucker Mar 5th 2005, 7:43 AM

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=7][COLOR=blue] great episode.i guessed that there was a warith in the city.

Posted by: Stargate Master Mar 6th 2005, 1:40 PM

I think this was a great episode, I was sh*tting myself laughing when Mckay had to go out to space, lol. I think it was a bit shocking how they had to kill the ONLY english member of the expedition. I liked the speech from the Wraith spy at the end, very good, and how Sheppard just lost it and kept shooting him. Overall I would rate this episode 9/10.

Posted by: wack Mar 7th 2005, 3:25 PM

I love bates. He should have kicked Telyas ass for hitting his beautiful face.

<Not gay>

Posted by: hawkes Mar 7th 2005, 10:09 PM

lol, now wack that would have been something to see. Teyla and Bates going at it... somehow i don't think Bates would be walking away from that.

Posted by: dr lee Mar 7th 2005, 10:29 PM

if u ask me i'd rather fight thousands of wraith then fight an annoyed teyla

Posted by: wack Mar 8th 2005, 10:13 AM

Yeah sheppard might come to rescue Teyla before she gets an serious injuries.

Posted by: Christy Mar 11th 2005, 9:50 PM

Teyla is pretty good with her sticks...

Anyhow i'm suprised at the long...wait that some people had to watch the 1st ep.
it seems it was at least a month ago since i saw this ep of atlantis.
I still think Groden shouldn't have died.
But i'm glad they didnt just have him die from a weapon where he got in the way or something like that.
He died in a noble death because he didnt want the jumper to come close.
I'm going to miss him...amazing how they kill him off just as a i develop a crush for him

Posted by: Puddle_Jumper Mar 18th 2005, 5:55 PM

Couldn't help but thhink of the wraith named "Steve" and imagined that either the writers goofed OR may perhaps the wraith stopped their experiments cause the ancients-human telepathy was stronger than their own- hence the reason the other wraith wanted the wraith scientist to stop his experiments.

Of course this is my own VERY humble opinion.


P_J

Posted by: daffy Mar 18th 2005, 11:33 PM

it was a good episode, I was getting mad at weir when she went city wide with bad news, "we've failed" nice morale booster weir. especially when sheppard was beating it out of 'bob'

it had some good parts and some so-so parts.

I agree with bates though, teyla is a security risk.

7.5/10

Posted by: ancient01 Mar 19th 2005, 12:36 PM

Much better than Moebius. I was actually surprised at the death. I thought they would spend some time developing that character, but no great loss in my book... A great story beats the characters down to nothing, then builds them back up clawing and scraping. I'm hoping that means this will be a great 3 parter. Thumbs up!!

Posted by: Teyla Emmagan Mar 21st 2005, 9:33 AM

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(hawkes @ Mar 8th 2005, 4:09 AM)

lol, now wack that would have been something to see. Teyla and Bates going at it... somehow i don't think Bates would be walking away from that.


Some how I just think Teyla had the right away but John did have a point you can't go arounf decking the head of Secruity . But he hasn't liked her since he came to HER PLANET in Rising , and Suscpion , and The Gift , And the Seige , and Season Two and .... get what I'm saying . And after insulting her after the fact she found out about her link to the Wraith in The Gift . I think that's wrong and I know he's doing his job . but that is wrong. And if I was Shep I 'd let Teyla deck Bates. Or let that Hot Athosian guy she's sparring in in the next ep. beat him up .

Posted by: Aquila Mar 24th 2005, 2:36 PM

This episode was certainly a fabulous way to start the end of the season! Especially when they found out they had a Wraith on board!

And what's with Sheppherd naming yet another Wraith Bob??!!! Let's not get redundant Major! Try something like Hank, or even Joe for Pete's sake. I would have thought th Ancient satelite would have taken out more than one ship at least, it was too short lived...a well, probably really scarred/peeved off a couple thousand Wraith.

Posted by: Sighfienerd Mar 25th 2005, 4:30 PM

I have a new, new love (sorry Rodney) and his name is Zelenka. I don't even know what his first name is but it doesn't matter because I love him. I really had never taken much notice of Zelenka until the wonderful little scene where Zelenka offers to take Rodney's place on what is, essentially, a suicide mission. I love how Rodney brings out the best and worst in people. (Okay, so I still love Rodney, too)

McKay: "You can't take it back, because you've just admitted I'm smarter than you are. It was hard for you to say, but the truth shone through, when you were compelled to speak.
Zelenka: "You are a miserable little man!"
McKay: "Hey, Hey, let's not ruin the moment here."

Love them both! Starting to hate Weir again though.

Posted by: Christy Apr 2nd 2005, 10:01 PM

that's a good quote.
I am glad that Zelenka is getting more scenes...and with Groden gone we do need another regular cast member to make more appearances.

Zelenka hasn't got many faults either and because he has brains he has things to contribute to episodes and he has a good role.

And i love the way he is not always clean cut.

Posted by: Teyla Emmagan Apr 26th 2005, 11:40 AM

creep in a sense that Teyla's Wraith in her dreams was actually walking around Atlantis the whole time . I would go crazy myself . I wonder what she saw , maybe he the same Wraith that might have feed off her mother or father .

The story about her Father Tugan and mother is hazy I hope someone can clear it up . That be a cool ep . if Teyla ran into her dad who's part Wraith , and his being used to spy on thses planet's that the Wraith had been marking for a while .

Well that's me and my crackpot ideals . BUt I hope to see more after this .. can't wait til season 2

Posted by: Kinghans May 11th 2005, 3:16 PM

First off; Zelenka and McKay rule! For the drama I can understand why you need to kill a relatively known character, shame it had to be Grodin.

Ehm... just outta curiosity (might be my own ignorance) why aren't there any puddle jumpers in the air to defend Atlantis? There must be a number of qualified pilots around to form a (small) line of defence...?

Anyway, great episode, I'm actually beginning to love the spin-off. Job welldone!

Greetz,

King Hans

Posted by: dr lee May 11th 2005, 3:39 PM

cuz if they did then they'd certainly get blown to bits along with the pilots, who would be more useful on the ground fighting than scattered in little bits all over atlantis.

Posted by: Sighfienerd May 12th 2005, 2:22 AM

Aren't there a very limited number of pilots for the puddle jumpers? For one thing, you need the ancient gene to fly them, right? And I doubt they brought that many qualified pilots with them as the mission planners had no way of knowing if any ancient ships would even be available.

Posted by: Dafmeister May 12th 2005, 3:36 PM

In one of the episodes towards the end of season 1, where the Atlantis detect a Wraith Dart approaching Atlantis, we find out that they have very few people capable of flying the Jumpers. Sheppard was off world and Bates had to recruit Beckett to pilot one of the Jumpers along with two other pilots. In all they only had 3 people capable of piloting the Jumpers (4 with Sheppard).

Posted by: Sighfienerd May 13th 2005, 7:31 PM

Yeah, I thought it was something like that, but I couldn't remember the number of pilots. Wish I had your memory, Daf.

Posted by: Christy May 29th 2005, 12:38 AM

Beckett already (sorta) knew how to fly the jumpers because he first flew a jumper in 'The Storm' and then i'm not sure what the second episode was called but as Daf said it was in an episode where Shep was off world...I think the episode was titled 'The Brotherhood' because that's the only episode which i can think of where he was out of radio contact.

Posted by: dr lee May 29th 2005, 2:20 AM

didn't beckett fly a PJ when stackhouse (and the other guy who was with him, i forget his name) was blown to bits?

was stackhouse the pilot or was it the other guy?

so if there were only four people who could fly the PJs and one was dead, one was the 'doc fraiser of atlantis' (i.e. the main doctor) and the third was the top milatery person in Atlantis it left only one person to fly the PJs. no one in their right mind would attack that amount of wraith on their own. it would be certain suicide.

Posted by: Christy May 29th 2005, 4:57 AM

dr lee...that's the episode i was talking about which i forgot the name to but i think it was called the brotherhood

Posted by: Heru-ER Jun 19th 2005, 1:35 PM

I agree Zelenka is funny and great chracter hope on season 2 he appears more, Watching the control room of a HIVe ship using mind was a great history also Teyla being control by Wraith was cool how she take down everyone on room, saw that episode last thursday cann't wait to next

Posted by: Christy Sep 20th 2005, 8:46 PM

Yes it would be good to see more of Zelenka and get more of a personality out of him.
We've established that with Beckett and he's making such a great addition that i hope we do see more of him.
Zelenka and Mckay make a good team.

Posted by: COL. Caldwell of the Daedalus Oct 26th 2005, 10:34 AM

yeh i agree

Posted by: Dafmeister Oct 26th 2005, 3:02 PM

Was there really any point to that post. Just saying you agree with another post doesnt add anything to the discussion of the episode.

Posted by: kordone Jun 7th 2006, 4:11 AM

that scene was brilliantly acted on both parts, you could see the anger on Shepperds' face when Bob says "no matter where you go, will find you as surely as we will find Earth"

would you do the same thing if your were placed in the same situation...?

im sure i would'av...

Posted by: missmisschief Mar 26th 2007, 2:22 AM

I was very sorry that they killed off Grodin, and wish that Kavanaugh(sp?) could have been the one instead but he's so full of himself he would not allow himself to pushed into a possible suicide mission like that. Also I wonder why Sheppard didn't just shoot the wraith in the head. I mean why only shoot the wraiths (and I do mean in all other episodes also) in the torso where they usually seem to have some sort of body armor? I know in this episode he was questioning him, but his last shot could have been "right between the eyes". I'm sure he's a good enough marksman.

Posted by: IndyJan May 29th 2008, 2:23 AM

Actually if you look at any show where weapons are used, most shoot the torso. They usually do not aim for the head, much too much blood and all that.

I totally agree about Kavanaugh though. He's a character that I do not like, but you have to have those idiots at times to make you appreciate the other characters.

Posted by: Revan Jul 11th 2008, 4:05 PM

Yeah you can't really show head shots on tv, because in real life, when a person is shot in the head, usually... half of their head gets blown off... It is really gross.