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Stargate Information Archive _ SG-1 Season 7 _ 702 - Homecoming

Posted by: Arcady Jun 13th 2003, 5:36 PM

Season 7, Episode 2 - Homecoming
Original Air Date: June 13, 2003

The team returns to Jonas' homeworld when they learn that the Goa'uld are after its naquadria.
(Part 2 of 2.)

http://www.sg1archive.com/s7.shtml#702

Posted by: Bonzai Jun 13th 2003, 9:33 PM

1er reply I WANNA WATCH IT but i am waiting to get it

Posted by: stargatejunkie101 Jun 13th 2003, 10:03 PM

i LOVED THIS EPISODE!!!. I loved when Anubis's ship got blown out of the skin...sad to see Jonas leave though.

Posted by: chi-town nox Jun 13th 2003, 10:09 PM

for all the times that sg1 and their allies have detected escape pods jettessenning away from ships they blow up, i was utterly dissapointed that they and Baal did not detect anubis's escape pod. they just let him escape with the nequadria (if it had all been on the ship...all of colona would be destroyed...but the blast from the ship was small and contained...thus, the nequadria was with anubis...)

awful, just awful

Posted by: ArisBoch Jun 13th 2003, 10:20 PM

well, he had to get away somehow...

i liked the explosion, and the mere fact that baal actually came through on his promise to help is nice. i kinda wondered if the producers would make him do some dealing w/ anubis behind earth's back. but he and yu's guy actually did ok.
(yu's first prime is the man!- he's now officially as cool as yu is/was)

Posted by: Bowley Jun 13th 2003, 10:33 PM

I think I got most of my feelings out on the episode 1 posting, I did like this episode better. Daniels memory came back a little fast. That is minor though. I want to know how you survive getting that spikey memory probe ball getting shoved in your brain. Poor Jonas got the boot, ah well. This episode was cool, it just felt more original than the 1st episode. Yea the overlooking of Anubis' escape was funny but if we want more sg-1 episodes I can overlook that. And to top off this jumble of thoughts I call a post I like Carter's hair this season, it's turning me on.

Posted by: Horton Jun 13th 2003, 11:10 PM

well i figured the would let jonas continue to work with the SGC....he added something even Daniel could not add and that is his great memory and his "advancement"

As for Anubus his escapeing will surely be a problem........he will find a new weapon and since he knows alot about the acients he will surely get back on his throne in no time

Posted by: MYOB Jun 13th 2003, 11:28 PM

Exactly what is Yu's first prime going to tell his god when he get's back?
Why did they have to end Jonas' role in the show? He could still be a contributing part if they showed some creativity in the writing? Although I'm glad Daniel's back as a part of SG1, it did seem like there was no reason to remove Jonas from the show.
The ratings didn't reflect a need to remove him as Stargate literally kicked the Sci-FI channel's prior highest rated show's ass.

The producers of the show made a bad decision to remove Michael Shanks last time around. A move they now obviously regret as the fanbase did some serious write-ins for his return.

Shanks admitted on a forum elsewhere that this left him with some bad fealings. Not towards the producers, but towards the other main stars Anderson, Judge, and Tapping, whom he claimed did not fight for him staying, nor seemed to care he was leaving. The impression I got from Shank's remarks are that he felt there was some bad blood between he and the others. Although he never actually came out and said this, he did state he was a bit hurt by the fact they didn't do or say anything on his behalf.

Make of that what you will, but I have heard there was some bad blood because of Shank's attitude and work relations, but I do not have all the facts on this and would rather it simply be considered a rumor.
Still, it is a rumor I think has merit.

But the point is that the producers made a bad mistake the first time around. Now I think they are making a second.

MYOB'

Posted by: DarqKnyght Jun 14th 2003, 1:23 AM

QUOTE (MYOB @ Jun 13 2003, 10:28 PM)

The producers of the show made a bad decision to remove Michael Shanks last time around.

they didn't 'remove' him. Micheal Shanks said he wanted to do other things, and instead of of even trying to work with him on his schedule, that let him go. It wasn't a removal, i6t was more of a 'Yeah, ok, see ya...'

While still a bad decision on the part of TPTB, I guess that's the way it goes...

on topic: I thought it was a good show, I was very pleased with it.

Posted by: Phenix Jun 14th 2003, 1:43 AM

This show basically left me shaking my head. I loved the dialogue between Daniel and Jonas but the rest was pretty weak. They basically tried their hands at a movie and failed. The base should not have been compromised. That was just too easy and predictable. The writers were totally lazy when it came to combat. I really think they spent their energy on the offworld aspects. Even the Yu segments were decent. I guess I'm just dissapointed with the fighting on Jonas' planet. Maybe their behavior wasn't totally out of hand though. Would the United States act differently? I mean imagine if it was the cold war. Some idiot would probably use the same logic and let us all get blown to pieces.

Posted by: JollyRoger Jun 14th 2003, 2:29 AM

Why didn't teal'c shoot the jaffa when he grabbed the crystal???

Posted by: ussshorty Jun 14th 2003, 4:08 AM

QUOTE (MYOB @ Jun 13 2003, 11:28 PM)

. Not towards the producers, but towards the other main stars Anderson, Judge, and Tapping, whom he claimed did not fight for him staying, nor seemed to care he was leaving. The impression I got from Shank's remarks are that he felt there was some bad blood between he and the others. Although he never actually came out and said this, he did state he was a bit hurt by the fact they didn't do or say anything on his behalf.

you see i didnt pick this up especially between rick nd michael cause like on the behind scenes thingy on the season 6 episode they were chilling having laugh and i read a article in SFX about 5 monthes ago and he spoke very highly of rick,amanda and chris and said it was like a big family and like any big family you can have your dissagrements.

but anyway im reading everyones comments on the eps because i missed the first two eps due to going out with mates.

Posted by: MrBooleano Jun 14th 2003, 6:33 AM

dude it doesnt come out in wales and the uk till september?

Posted by: Raxor Jun 14th 2003, 6:53 AM

im downloading them at the moement

Posted by: Bonzai Jun 14th 2003, 7:21 AM

2 word it is VERY GOOD I LIKE IT

Posted by: Sam's Sister Jun 14th 2003, 7:29 AM

QUOTE (chi-town nox @ Jun 13 2003, 10:09 PM)

they just let him escape with the nequadria (if it had all been on the ship...all of colona would be destroyed...but the blast from the ship was small and contained...thus, the nequadria was with anubis...)

Yes, but did you really want it neatly wrapped up in this episode? I thought it was awfully easy for Sam and Jack to destroy that powerful new weapon and now he has a new one. It's going to come back and bite them...and we want to see how they handle, don't we?

Posted by: Sam's Sister Jun 14th 2003, 7:31 AM

QUOTE (ArisBoch @ Jun 13 2003, 10:20 PM)

(yu's first prime is the man!- he's now officially as cool as yu is/was)

I agree # did anyone catch his name?

Posted by: Sam's Sister Jun 14th 2003, 7:35 AM

QUOTE (Bowley @ Jun 13 2003, 10:33 PM)

I want to know how you survive getting that spikey memory probe ball getting shoved in your brain.

Yes, I wondered that too # reminds me of Star Wars IV and Princess Leia # you never see her looking tortured, do you? What's up with that? At least we know that Jonas must have survived it because of some Kelownan physiology thing. They throw that out there and don't do anything with it.

And I liked Carter's hair, too. But just because it's cute. Now RDA...

Posted by: apexad Jun 14th 2003, 8:31 AM

Here's my theory, Jonas is an Ancient.

talk about this http://www.sg1archive.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f;=2&t;=2983

Posted by: Mike Jun 14th 2003, 9:53 AM

Jonas will be around for future episodes this season. I'm sure they will bring him back towards the end of the seaon when a whole lotta stuff starts to tie together. The way the whole episode was panning out, I was hoping the Asgard would jump in and make an appearance to help the SGC. Yu turns and runs, in comes Thor's fleet to regulate on Anubis.

Now if only Vanessa Angel could return to reprise her role of Annise/Freya.

Posted by: Raxor Jun 14th 2003, 11:16 AM

i just wanted to know what happened to herak because in 622 he made some funny comments with jack:)

Posted by: jimmyk421 Jun 14th 2003, 12:49 PM

QUOTE (Raxor @ Jun 14 2003, 11:16 AM)

i just wanted to know what happened to herak because in 622 he made some funny comments with jack:)

he escaped at last possible moment through the gate. And believe me his master is gonna be pissed cause he screwed up again

Posted by: RebelGoua'uld Jun 14th 2003, 1:15 PM

Was it just me, or did the plot seem majorly rushed in "Fallen" and "Homecoming"? If i haden't read all the stuff i could find on the episodes before i watched them, i would have been totally lost.

Posted by: Mike Jun 14th 2003, 1:26 PM

QUOTE (RebelGoua'uld @ Jun 14 2003, 01:15 PM)

Was it just me, or did the plot seem majorly rushed in "Fallen" and "Homecoming"? If i haden't read all the stuff i could find on the episodes before i watched them, i would have been totally lost.

The producers of the show got word that there would be a season 7 fairly late. Before they got word, there was a period of uncertainty as to whether the series would be canceled, giving the go ahead to develop the feature film or the ok for season 7. Once the all clear was giving for season 7, the script writers had to more or less scramble to get the screenplays together for episodes 1 and 2.

Posted by: delilah Jun 14th 2003, 3:22 PM

I like this episod, first, because it's the 7 season, because daniel is here, and anubis too !

my favourite moment, it's when sam and jack are talking on the table, and jack sing the melody of the music. so funny !

Posted by: greenpiggy Jun 14th 2003, 3:45 PM

Where are you downloading them from Raxor? Kazaa or somewhere else?

Posted by: Raxor Jun 14th 2003, 4:24 PM

ill email you a link for it ok?
or IM me

Posted by: chi-town nox Jun 14th 2003, 6:02 PM

I agree with some previous posts that Jonas isn't GONE, he's just going away to help his people out. he had to leave to be his nation's delegate...it was the only way the other two countries would meet. the writers did a good job with that. they better not just let him dissapear, because i'll be pissed.

if the asguard had come in at the last minute, it would have been an even worse episode. the humans have to fend for themselves once in a while.

plus the asguard had no reason to interfere over colona...they aren't in the protected planets treaty. the asguard don't attack the goa'uld unless the goa'uld attack a protected planet, because they still don't have the replicators under control, and they can't give the full force of their troops to fight the goa'uld.

Posted by: chi-town nox Jun 14th 2003, 6:05 PM

in response to sam's sister, i didn't want it wrapped up in one episode...but i wanted the humans to notice that anubis's escape pod was flying away. they could have chaced after him, but when he went into hyperspace...thats it

no one can figure out where someone goes through a wormhole in hyperspace. that would have left room for future episodes...but the humans should have noticed him escaping

Posted by: Mike Jun 14th 2003, 7:20 PM

When Herak was about to escape through the gate, that would have been the prime moment for O'Neill to drop a parting wisecrack.

O'Neill: (Yelling at Herak) "Hey Herak!"

Herak: (Turns)

O'Neill: "Don't forget to tell your master you screwed up again!"

Would have been priceless.

Posted by: Ares Jun 14th 2003, 7:45 PM

You know, I find it quite amusing that people are mad that Jonas left the SGC. Last week, people were thinking of ways Jonas should die, "Die Jonas Die" was everywhere and could'nt wait for DJ to be back. Now that Jonas is gone, everyone wants him back. Choose your loyalties, DJ or Jonas. I wouldn't be suprised if a 'Save Jonas Quinn' website pops up on the net.

Get that camera out of here!(I've always wanted to post that)

Posted by: lavender Jun 15th 2003, 5:12 AM

MrBooleano GO TO STARGATES.TK U CAN DOWNLOAD THEM FROM THERE THATS WHAT I DONE AND I WATCHED THEM YESTERDAY.

Posted by: Oberon78 Jun 15th 2003, 7:29 AM

Jonas will most certainly make guest appearences on the show later in the season. He will probably visit the SGC sometimes to help the team deal with Anubis and they will visit him to help with his planet's own problems. Jonas is not going to just dissapear. Jonas was part of the SG-1 team and they aren't going to forget him.

Also, all that stuff where he precognitive abilities and advanced anatomy isn't something to ignore. That will probably be talked about or focused on (I hope).

Posted by: Drizzt Do'Urden Jun 15th 2003, 12:03 PM

i think i heard somewhere that he was currently scheduled for 6 episodes. any updates on that?

Posted by: Bowley Jun 15th 2003, 11:48 PM

What if for one episode Jack didn't make any wisecracks. Just hypothetical. Nothing is wrong with him he just doesn't make any. It would be funny because during the episode the cast members would be waiting for it to come but it never would. They would look at jack, waiting for a joke, and Jack would just say... what??

I wonder how that would go over with the audience. Better or worse than the Star Wars stuff? Just a thought since a lot of you really are in love with his wisecracks. (i need a better word for that). For the record I like them too, just not every 2 seconds.

Posted by: longbow6625 Jun 16th 2003, 1:47 AM

ok, one question, what did jonas say to daniel right before he stepped through the stargate, i couldn't make it out and i'm not sure if it was alien or what. just hoping to find out.

Posted by: ASCENDED Jun 16th 2003, 2:26 AM

The Goa'uld systemlords are very weak now, their combined force was what, about 7 motherships.

Don't know how many ships the Asgard have, but i think they can whip the systemlords out after someone destroys Anubis.

*Jonas asked Daniel to feed his fish.

Posted by: Drizzt Do'Urden Jun 16th 2003, 10:41 AM

QUOTE (ASCENDED @ Jun 16 2003, 02:26 AM)

*Jonas asked Daniel to feed his fish.

yes! i loved that! i've always liked the fish, and i've metioned them to my friends, but no one in the show ever actually talked about them before.

but, uh, without starting anything (and you all know what i mean) weren't they daniel's fish? i just ask to know when their first appearance was and to ask about the technicality of jonas's line.

Posted by: Alexh2345 Jun 16th 2003, 12:58 PM

JONAS IS KOOL!

Posted by: ArisBoch Jun 16th 2003, 1:35 PM

QUOTE (Drizzt Do'Urden @ Jun 16 2003, 11:41 AM)

but, uh, without starting anything (and you all know what i mean) weren't they daniel's fish? i just ask to know when their first appearance was and to ask about the technicality of jonas's line.

i don't remember seeing daniel w/ fish. he doesn't seem like the type to have them anyway. he'd probably forget about him in the chaos of all his other work and they'd die. maybe jack should go in and catch them and spare them a long, painful starvation.

Posted by: Firefly Jun 16th 2003, 7:19 PM

One of the many reasons why I love this show and why Carter is my favorite is because she doesnt' just sit on the sidelines during a fight and scream and be all wimpy. Did you see her kick the crap out of that guy and then tackle another guy(or maybe it was the same guy). It's believable too...I've seen other female characters in shows or movies and they're either way too wimpy, or it isn't believable that they can fight.

Posted by: PhiloSciFi Jun 16th 2003, 8:28 PM

QUOTE (ASCENDED @ Jun 16 2003, 02:26 AM)

Don't think that was the total fleet of all the Goa'uld system lords. And besides just killing the system lords is no good new Goa'uld will rise and command the vast number of Jaffa with the idea that Goa'uld are Gods. The still have too much knowledge for humans (earthlings) to handle. Besides I think the Asgard are more powerful anyway if they didn't have to fight the replicators.

Posted by: chi-town nox Jun 16th 2003, 9:36 PM

the seven ships that attacked anubis were those of baal and yu (under the direction of baal and yu's first prime)

if all the other system lords have 4 ships each...thats 4x7 (not counting anubis, obviously)...28 goa'uld ships...

but who says yu's first prime and baal used all their ships...they knew anubis was weak, they probably only sent what was necessary

it is hard to know the full power of the goa'uld.

Posted by: DI Falken Jun 16th 2003, 10:31 PM

QUOTE (Oberon78 @ Jun 15 2003, 07:29 AM)

Also, all that stuff where he precognitive abilities and advanced anatomy isn't something to ignore. That will probably be talked about or focused on (I hope).

Me too

.

With my mind out of the gutter though, I was totally unimpressed by the send off they gave Jonas.

Posted by: mally Jun 17th 2003, 7:17 AM

could someone send me the link to download cos im in england and they dont show it till september and i cant wait that long

Posted by: Raxor Jun 17th 2003, 8:15 AM

http://www.stargates.tk

Posted by: rayeho Jun 17th 2003, 1:27 PM

I couldn't tell whether i was watching Stargate or Star Wars at certain points. Some of those shots looked REALLY similar.

However I did cheer when Jack blew up the death star, er, gould superweapon.

Posted by: MrBooleano Jun 17th 2003, 6:27 PM

QUOTE

MrBooleano GO TO STARGATES.TK U CAN DOWNLOAD THEM FROM THERE THATS WHAT I DONE AND I WATCHED THEM YESTERDAY.

I did

QUOTE (MYOB @ Jun 14 2003, 04:28 AM)

Why did they have to end Jonas' role in the show? He could still be a contributing part if they showed some creativity in the writing? Although I'm glad Daniel's back as a part of SG1, it did seem like there was no reason to remove Jonas from the show.
The ratings didn't reflect a need to remove him as Stargate literally kicked the Sci-FI channel's prior highest rated show's ass.

This episode was another cracker, a great shame they had to get rid of Jona. The episode dealt with many cool things, but it also showed how all 5 characters could interact well. To get rid of Jonas like that was a bad thing in my opinion, so i agree with MYOB.

The emotional moment was another good one aswell, a bit sad. Dont get me wrong, it was great to see Danny coming back, but Jonas established himself as a different character by the end of S6. At the beginning, he seemed to be a replacement to Daniel, but by the end, he had defined himself more as a unique character. This just seemed to me to reinforce the idea of Daniel now replacing Jonas. All these anti-Jonas people are just lame, there should not be a DJ or JQ situation. They should have kept them both on at the base somehow, hope we get to see all 5 characters alot within this season.

Long Live Jonas i say!

Posted by: Evil BoB Jun 18th 2003, 5:54 AM

I agree that Daniels returns didn't have to go with Jonas leaving. Fortunately there are still many ways he could come back, although the chances for that are slim.

The episodes themself I simply loved, especially the part from Star Wars. I was clearly a tribute to some of the best movies ever and I don't see what everyone is bitching about. Although the storylines weren't as good as we are used to, I still think it's a good way to start the season.

(My apologies about any mistakes I made in my spelling, I'm Dutch and my english isn't that great.)

Posted by: Drizzt Do'Urden Jun 25th 2003, 7:29 AM

QUOTE (Evil BoB @ Jun 18 2003, 05:54 AM)

I agree that Daniels returns didn't have to go with Jonas leaving.

that's true. the andaris and teranians insisted that he was to be the kelownan's ambassador.

Posted by: smellycorpse Jul 1st 2003, 5:03 AM

Jonas really tool a lot of flamings from fan of sg1. he was just staring to be a good char, and not following the team like a lost puppy. i don't think he should be an ambassador and requering char doing something with the f 302s or in the up and coming spinoffs. Jonas still has some thing to offer to the premiss of the show.

Posted by: DR Larry Murphy Sep 16th 2003, 11:15 AM

Bye bye jonas, yes anyway I liked this episode. I thought that one of Yu's ships could have stopped off at earth and picked up the F-302s.

Posted by: Spacen Sep 18th 2003, 12:51 PM

QUOTE (smellycorpse @ Jul 1 2003, 05:03 AM)

<!#endemo#>

You know he'll be back for guest appearances. They can't get into a character's life that much without visiting him once in a while.

Posted by: stargatesweetie Oct 6th 2003, 3:00 PM

I haven't read all of the previous posts, but I saw a little of Independence Day in this episode ie big ship comming down on a crest of clouds and hovering over the capital.
An OK episode, though I sincerely hope they get better. Nice to see Jack joking "does it have to be a public execution?....public's good!"

Posted by: Emmyloo Oct 6th 2003, 3:37 PM

I thought that this episode was ok, but all in all, i think it has been quiet a poor start to the season compared to others.

I dont know why the writers felt the need to get rid of Jonas just because Daniel's back. His character had developed greatly throught season 6, and although i'm sure he'll be back to make some guest appearences, i'm quiet unsatisfied with their decision to axe him as a main character. Im also dissapointed with the ease in which Anubis escaped, Baal's ships didnt even seem to detect the pod, and since when have pods been able to enter hyperspace? I guess thats another new development for Anubis.

Did Anubis take the naquadria with him? I think he did as otherwise, if it was still on his ship it would have amplified the explosion, but i'm not sure.

Other than that, it was nice to see Sam kick ass again, and RDA is always a pleasure to see.

Posted by: Jon The UK SG-1 Fan Oct 6th 2003, 3:40 PM

oh i thought that ep was great although I was surprised at how i didn't want Jonas to leave when i've been hating him throughout. Great end scene.

Posted by: eliminator Oct 6th 2003, 3:50 PM

I really liked the part when Jonas and Daniel ringed down surprisingly into the warehouse full of Jafa, that was too funny.
I was a bit disappointed that Anubis' first prime wasn't shot at all in that episode, but I was really glad thatCarter Rugby tackled him

Go carter, Go carter it's your birthday!

Posted by: Aesir Oct 7th 2003, 4:51 AM

QUOTE (stargatesweetie @ Oct 6 2003, 09:00 PM)

I haven't read all of the previous posts, but I saw a little of Independence Day in this episode ie big ship comming down on a crest of clouds and hovering over the capital.

I saw that too, but only the second time I watched it... I was actually looking for the Star Wars references that people had been talking about and then I saw that scene and it was so similar to Independence Day. I guess that in reality a ship descending on a planet is going to look pretty similar anyway though so I'm not judging it as being a copied idea.

QUOTE (stargatesweetie @ Oct 6 2003, 09:00 PM)

An OK episode, though I sincerely hope they get better. Nice to see Jack joking "does it have to be a public execution?....public's good!"

I think your quote 'An Ok episode' pretty much sums Fallen and Homecoming up. In my opinion for the season premiere they were not up to my expectations...

QUOTE (Emmyloo @ Oct 6 2003, 09:37 PM)

Im also dissapointed with the ease in which Anubis escaped, Baal's ships didnt even seem to detect the pod, and since when have pods been able to enter hyperspace? I guess thats another new development for Anubis.

We have seen personalised things that have behaved differently from normal before, so the escape pod entering hyperspace wasn't such a shock (think back to the weird glider/personal transport ship in 1x01). For all we know it may not have even been an escape pod, but a customized ship for Anubis that the mothership was carrying. Maybe Ba'al's fleet did detect it but it entered hyperspace pretty fast so maybe they just couldn't get a shot at it. We'll soon find out if they detected it or not by how they talk of Anubis in the future (dead or alive).

QUOTE (Emmyloo @ Oct 6 2003, 09:37 PM)

Did Anubis take the naquadria with him? I think he did as otherwise, if it was still on his ship it would have amplified the explosion, but i'm not sure.

I would have thought it would be pretty hard for him to have taken it with him. Most of it was probably tied up in that experiment and from what we've seen it's extremely dense and probably impossible to carry even with the enhanced strength of a Goa'uld... maybe if he had enough Jaffa, but it would take quite a long time to transport it to that ship I think - time he probably didn't have.

Posted by: princessgater Oct 7th 2003, 5:39 AM

i'm gonna miss Johnas the thing he had with teal'c was so funny at times.
so sad that we lost Johnas so early in the new season...i know he'll be back but it won't be as main cast so it won't be the same. liked the grove that Daniel and Johnas had while they were trying to escape.

The bit with the rings and the warehouse was so cool. It was so cool when Carter rugby tackled that first prime and they were fighting, it's always nice to see Sam fight reminds us that she's not just a brain.
Pity that first prime is still alive i thought someone would have shot him by now as he has been in alot of episodes. Speaking of that first prime is it just me or does he have really large eyebrows.

Posted by: French Carter Oct 7th 2003, 10:51 AM

More I see this episode, more I miss Jonas.
He was really a good guy...

Posted by: eliminator Oct 7th 2003, 1:31 PM

QUOTE (Aesir @ Oct 7 2003, 04:51 AM)

Why don't you think that he could have ordered the nahqradia to be transported to his escape pod/ship just in case as soon as it came on board at the beggining of the strike?
He knew well enough that he was at the mercy of any of the system lords, but he isn't too arrogant enough to tink he was invinible and he could survive it without escaping.

Posted by: Aesir Oct 7th 2003, 3:20 PM

QUOTE (eliminator @ Oct 7 2003, 07:31 PM)

My point was that given the time between the System Lords coming out of Hyperspace and starting their attack and his ship being destroyed, I don't think there was enough time. From the episode I got the idea that there was a LOT of Naquadriah and it would take a lot of man-power to move it all... I'm not saying he didn't get away with the Naquadriah, just that I think it would be unlikely.

Posted by: Raxor Oct 7th 2003, 4:09 PM

this thread needs my input

- this episode was much better than the last
- love the daniel jonus working togethe, why cant it be like that all the time?
- no more death star
- jack as funny as ever
- always good to see peoples reaction to the first time seeing the star gate
- liked the special effects, the ring scene was great, and the other
- im very positive about this episode, but anubus escaped, i would have liked to not see that, so that it would retain the mystery when these SS appear, ie not hear of him for a while

my rating

4/5

Posted by: Behenna Oct 7th 2003, 4:49 PM

i agree with u rax jonas and daniel make a good time and i also thin daniel sould lose his memory more oftan he is funnyer so far in this season that annoy of the other. i think they r running out of material for jack cuz he keeps on going on bout says in the fallen it was birds of a feather and flocking and togetherness and then in this one it was a dog and 3 dancing monkeys doning something! what next! and i do also agree it was a better keep and the battle was 2 short but i linked the way the ship disintergrated! plus 1 more think i would think the goa'uld ships would have better targeting computer bout half there shots hit the city.

Posted by: Raxor Oct 7th 2003, 4:54 PM

i dont think the goauld were particuarly botherd about that, as its not their nature to be accurate

Posted by: SSG Ret Oct 7th 2003, 6:27 PM

I agree, they are used to being able to waste 3/4 of their shots. After all, the apparent randomness is better to strike fear in the heart of the 'slaves'!

Posted by: Majikthize Oct 7th 2003, 7:25 PM

I don't think I can add anythign that hasn't already been voiced here, but I'd particularly like to point to Aesir's lovely montage (or whatever you call the written equivelent) of the best quotes as a shining example of what I was thinking when I saw this eppy.

Oh, I lied. I have something to add.

Is it me of were there considerably less pithy quips from good old Jack O'Neill? I counted...um...about two I think. Surely the usual quota for an episode is about ten? Not that I'm complaining. Much as I love those little quips I can't help feeling they can be a little too overdone and therefore detract from the drama in some episodes.

The other thing I though could have done with a little expansion was Jack's reaction to the fact that Ba'al was the goa'uld who came to help blow up Anubis. Given that Ba'al was not very nice to our Jack (what wither the repeatedly torturing, killing and reviving him), you'dve thought that it might have provoked a slightly more emotional response. I can probably understand why they didn't add that to the mix though because there was enough going on in that episode without complicating matters. Still, it would have been a nice continuity touch.

And now for my shallow comment. Oh get used to 'em, you'll get at least one a week!
I really liked Teal'c chain mail/jaffa look. That man has the nicest biceps I've ever seen.
And Sam has great hair this year. She's really got that "I'm feminine but I'm tough and I've got the balance just right." feel about her this year.

Posted by: eliminator Oct 8th 2003, 2:12 AM

The shots that hit the city were actually shots that went all the way through Anubis' ship and back out the underside.

Posted by: loopy Oct 8th 2003, 3:25 AM

I enjoyed the ep, nice to have the team back again. Daniel and Jonas worked well together - pity they can't keep Jonas at least as researcher on base. Imagine that - a researcher who's capable of remembering everything he reads! I want that skill!
Did you notice the lights swaying in the underground room everytime the gate fired up? Nice touch.
Now we've established the situation, I look forward to slipping back into the groove for the rest of the season. It will be interesting to see how Daniel settles down again. I liked the little touches in this ep:
Jack "what's your situation?"
Daniel "I'm hiding, what's yours?"
I'm in the UK, and have waited to see the eps on TV, so finally I'm getting to see the new season. Roll on Christmas, which is when we usually overtake the States

Posted by: blue jello Oct 10th 2003, 12:17 PM

I thought the goodbye scene was touching, and I especially thought the special effects were fantastic! In all I thnk they handled the whole Jonas leaving Daniel arriving thing very well, and it did both actors credit.

Posted by: Emmyloo Oct 11th 2003, 6:19 PM

Ok, i watched this episode again today (for the 3rd time) and i'm begining to doubt whether that thing that Anubis escaped in was an escape pod. The shape of other pods are kind of long, as a person has to be standing vertically inside, the thing Anubis escaped in was round. Im beging to think that it could have been a mini ship, it didnt seem like it had weapons, although thats not to say that it doesnt, and it can enter hyperspace, these are 2 qualitys that ships tend to have.

Does anyone know for sure what it was because this is really bugging me.

Posted by: SSG Ret Oct 11th 2003, 7:34 PM

I always assumed it was a ship. It seems to be a new design, but Anubis has a lot of stuff that no one else has.

Posted by: Aesir Oct 12th 2003, 5:36 AM

QUOTE (Emmyloo @ Oct 12 2003, 12:19 AM)

It looked about comparable to the size of a Goa'uld death glider and we know that they are too small to carry Goa'uld hyperspace generators (Okay so Anubis may have created a smaller generator with his knowledge - we don't know). I realize it's pretty hard to just the size as we only have the mothership as a point of reference, but we've seen custom Goa'uld ships before and Anubis has been rather inventive since he descended.

Then again, have we ever seen a Goa'uld escape pod before? I don't remember it, so therefore I have no point of reference and couldn't say for sure if it was or not.

Posted by: SSG Ret Oct 12th 2003, 7:37 AM

QUOTE (Aesir @ Oct 12 2003, 05:36 AM)

Then again, have we ever seen a Goa'uld escape pod before? I don't remember it, so therefore I have no point of reference and couldn't say for sure if it was or not.

We saw them in "Deadman's Switch", "Jolinar's Memories" and "Summit". Those are the things that look vaguely like coffins.

Posted by: eliminator Oct 12th 2003, 4:14 PM

QUOTE (loopy @ Oct 8 2003, 03:25 AM)

I'm in the UK, and have waited to see the eps on TV, so finally I'm getting to see the new season. Roll on Christmas, which is when we usually overtake the States

Yep, if you haven't already noticed the big British flag waving emoticon then i'll have to say that I too am British, and I certainly can't wait til December when the momentous occassion when we overtake the Americans in something for a second time in this show's viewing history happens again.
So there

Posted by: Aesir Oct 13th 2003, 5:31 AM

QUOTE (eliminator @ Oct 12 2003, 10:14 PM)

December may be usually when it happens, but I don't think it's going to happen until January this year if at all.

SkyOne have given the broadcast date of Dec 8th for 'Evolution Part 1', but there is no date for part 2 yet. I e-mailed them and they don't know, which probably means it's not until after Christmas / New Year.

I think since 'Evolution' is a two parter and somewhat of a natural break mid-season they will probably just break for Christmas/New Year at this time and we may see a break of almost a month which is longer than normal

Posted by: eliminator Oct 13th 2003, 1:29 PM

Skyone NEVER do breaks which are more than 2 weeks long for such major broadcast shows such as Star trek, Stargate, Andrommeda, and so on, even at christmas, they only have the monday that is in the week of christmas that usually is not shown.
So Skyone might even decide to be nice and show both parts of Evolution on the same day, but they would never go on a break like Scifi does with your programs at Fall.
SO don't think you are going to get away with getting ahead again/

Posted by: Aesir Oct 13th 2003, 3:24 PM

QUOTE (eliminator @ Oct 13 2003, 07:29 PM)

If you were addressing me with that post (wasn't quite sure) then notice I'm in the UK the same as you.

I hope that they do show 'Evolution Part 2' before Christmas and have a shorter break, but I would have thought that they would have released the broadcast date by now if it was going to be in December. I've never known them wait this long to decide when something is airing. In TV terms isn't it leaving it a little late?

Posted by: eliminator Oct 15th 2003, 4:36 PM

I didn't notice you are from the UK, but i don't usually check though.

Anyway I did the calculations and basically Evolution part one should be aird on the 8th of December right? So that would mean on the 15th of Decmber (or maybe on the 8th too?) we shall see the second part. As i said b4 have you seen any program being stopped halfways through it's series NOT on the week in which christmas and new years is on? (other than maybe Mutant X).

Posted by: Aesir Oct 15th 2003, 5:30 PM

QUOTE (eliminator @ Oct 15 2003, 10:36 PM)

I agree that it SHOULD be aired on the 15th technically but I think that SkyOne's failure to release the date for it even now says something in itself. Think how long ago they released the 'Evolution Part 1' air date. Normally they wouldn't break it up this much before Christmas but as I said, I fear that because it's a two part episode and a natural mid-season break they may stop early

I think I'll email them again...

Posted by: eliminator Oct 16th 2003, 2:04 AM

Well I'm still hoping the they show both on the 8th and then break up after they've shown the episode after. But it's qweird that we've got Evolution part 1 and 2 then a normal episode, THEN another 2 parter Heroes! My god we are going to be lucky and depressed.

Posted by: DR Larry Murphy Oct 16th 2003, 5:47 AM

I watched evolution part1 absolutely amazing cant wait until I can see it properly, on sky 1. Still homecoming looked only slightly better on Sky.

Posted by: eliminator Oct 16th 2003, 8:17 AM

Why does it look better on Sky than on American TV (or internet download?)?

Posted by: Aesir Oct 16th 2003, 8:23 AM

QUOTE (eliminator @ Oct 16 2003, 02:17 PM)

Why does it look better on Sky than on American TV (or internet download?)?

Well probably mostly because PAL (what we use in the UK) is superior quality to NTSC (what they use in the US). Also, SkyOne seems to be showing the new episodes in widescreen, but I have no idea if Scifi shows them in widescreen or 4:3.

Posted by: eliminator Oct 16th 2003, 2:12 PM

well normally the UK Scifi channel shows them in Widescreen, so it's possible that it's the same in the US.

Posted by: fishbulb_teen Nov 1st 2003, 9:56 PM

Did Anubis's first prime escape with the red crystal that contained the details on how to control the instabililty of naquadria?

Posted by: Major Sam Carter O'Neill Nov 2nd 2003, 9:22 AM

Thats what i was wondering because Sam tried to stop him by using that drmatic jump on him and managed to fight her off, but he tried so hard to get the crystal i doubt he go without it but it seemed that Daniel captured it and the guy just ran off without a second glance. Surley he wouldn't go back to Anubis withoput it he would be dead!!

Posted by: glom Nov 4th 2003, 2:56 PM

This episode didn't feel as rushed, but it wasn't all that good. The Kelownans have annoyed me in every appearance. I say let Anubis have his wicked way with them. That scene in the Kelownan gate room when the Jaffa held everyone hostage has got to be the worst executed scene in SG1 history. It was so badly done, even Joel Goldsmith refused to let the producers use any of his music on it. Didn't Herak look so incredibly bored? He was standing there as though he was thinking, "Is it my line yet? Come on, I'm hungry. I want to get out of here."

There is also an issue of the Jaffa having a little chinwag with Baal. Apophis would have never let that happen. He would have given them a healthy dose of hand device if they'd had the gaul to make deals and such with him. And yes, he would have done it through the viewscreen. It's also getting far too easy for Goa'uld to assemble large fleets. In 'Politics', Daniel and Teal'c agreed that it would have taken time to build an army capable of running that many ships. Now, they whip all over the galaxy in fleets as big as they want in seconds.

I think a lot of people get far too worked up over Daniel's leaving. If he hadn't left, we wouldn't have had 'Meridian', a remarkable episode, which was a great payoff to Daniel's relationship with the Ascended. Also, 'Abyss' and 'The Changeling' would have found themselves severely impaired, which would have been a shame as they too were great episodes. In fact, Michael Shanks didn't really leave at all. He was back every other episode in season six. Daniel Jackson appeared in 'Abyss', 'The Changeling' and 'Full Circle' and Thor appeared in 'Prometheus', 'Unnatural Selection' and 'Disclosure', an episode which didn't feature the rest of SG1 at all, so it was Michael Shanks heavy. That's six episodes out of twenty-two. More than a quarter.

Posted by: Aesir Nov 5th 2003, 5:02 AM

QUOTE (glom @ Nov 4 2003, 08:56 PM)

There is also an issue of the Jaffa having a little chinwag with Baal. Apophis would have never let that happen. He would have given them a healthy dose of hand device if they'd had the gaul to make deals and such with him. And yes, he would have done it through the viewscreen.

I take it you are referring to when Yu's First Prime contacted Ba'al? Well I imagine that Yu would have done something similar to him if he found out, but he wasn't exactly in the right state of mind to do so and was also presumably in the sarcophagus at the time.

QUOTE (glom @ Nov 4 2003, 08:56 PM)

It's also getting far too easy for Goa'uld to assemble large fleets. In 'Politics', Daniel and Teal'c agreed that it would have taken time to build an army capable of running that many ships. Now, they whip all over the galaxy in fleets as big as they want in seconds.

Maybe you are right, but then in Season 3 we hear them talking about Sokar and the things they said implied that he had hundreds of ships... that would have appeared to be much bigger than the fleet of any System Lord. When we see the combined fleet of the System Lords it's like 6 or 7 ships which is pretty pathetic based on what we have seen in the past. I mean even Anubis had 6 Ha'taks guarding the planet with the Ancient Weapon on it in 'Redemption'... and he was still gradually building up his forces at that time and was weaker than the System Lords. Maybe the Sokar thing was slightly over done, but based on what we've seen I wasn't at all surprised at the size of the fleets they could get together... in fact I was dissappointed they weren't larger.

Posted by: Kinghans Nov 5th 2003, 4:00 PM

I was reading Aesir's above, and I too was fairly dissapointed by the size of the fleet. What I don't understand is that they only had Ha'tak class ships. I mean, Apophis had a huge ship aswell as Anubis offcourse, why didn't Baal bring anything like that, or don't the other System lords have anything like that?

It looked like ten Jaffa throwing sticks and stones at a supersoldier... Quite useless.

Greetz, King Hans

Posted by: SSG Ret Nov 5th 2003, 4:29 PM

I don't think they have anything like Anubis' ship. Too much of what Anubis has is new to the goa'uld as well as everybody else.

Posted by: Aesir Nov 6th 2003, 10:36 AM

QUOTE (SSG Ret @ Nov 5 2003, 10:29 PM)

I don't think they have anything like Anubis' ship. Too much of what Anubis has is new to the goa'uld as well as everybody else.

Maybe not, but most flagships of the System Lords' fleets have been significantly different and more advanced than Hat'ak class ships. I would have thought there might be some Cheops class ships there or at least something different. Unless I am mistaken (which I might be) they were all Hat'ak class ships.

Posted by: Heru'ur Mar 10th 2004, 12:52 AM

Yeah, it seemed only Sokar was waise enough to build a Cheops class ship. They should definately have had more of them built. Anubis's new supership that was destroyed was like ten times as big as a normal Ha'tak.

Posted by: Mac.Fan Apr 11th 2004, 3:26 AM

well at lest SG1 and two goa'ulds were able to distroy neubis new weapon. At lest we know what is happening with Yu. With Baul, who knows, he might one day die. Jonas gone back home and Daniel has rejoin SG1 again.

Posted by: Hazaa3000 Sep 12th 2004, 12:05 PM

For all the people that watched Homecoming on channel 4. Did you notice that when Jonas got punched to the floor, that there was no sound? He kinda just fell. Haven't had a chance to see if anyone else has brought this up, or wheather it's a channel 4 issue.

O, good episode!

Posted by: Dr Sam Sep 15th 2004, 9:12 AM

Yeah Hazaa, I noticed that too, and I've not seen it in the other posts so maybe it was a C4 glitch...

I liked this ep better than 701 - it just felt more comfortable somehow. I'm kind of glad that Colonan general got what was coming to him - he was a twit, to put it politely

I guessed just in time where Jonas and Daniel were going to ring to - the work between those two characters was really good so I agree with everyone who's said it's a shame Jonas had to go. I know some people didn't like him much, but I really did and it wont be the same without him, Daniel or no.

But hey, don't forget the fish

Posted by: LuvThatShanks Oct 21st 2004, 7:48 AM

Way upthread someone mentioned that Michael Shanks made a less than polite post on an internet board throwing blame onto his castmates for his ever having left and that they didn't stand up for him, etc.

That would be truly odd/unlikely because Christopher Judge is an incredibly good friend of Michael Shanks. I'm kind of doubting the validity of that claim is what I'm saying. I know Shanks was pretty unhappy when he originally exited but ...no...he's friends with Tapping and Judge to this day. Maybe he did say exactly that, but Shanks actually wanted to leave the series at the end of season 5.

On topic:

I loved most of this episode although unholy Goa'ulds, Yu sucks. His first prime on the other hand is great even if he did look a little silly standing next to CJ because of the size difference.

MS and CN were GREAT on board the ship together and I am one of something like 7 fans (we all huddle together in a cave) that like both characters. I wish Nemec could have stayed.

I realize he goes home at the end but the leaders of his planet act in such an infantile manner that I was cringing on his behalf. Stay and feed the fish, Jonas! Oh well, it was good getting to know you, great to have Shanks back.

One weird line that I think should have been scrubbed - although Jonas saves Daniel from being killed (as Daniel lunges for the crystal) that entire "We'll call it even then?" line was frankly not a good choice.

Did you die an agonizing death after completely ignoring Daniel's advice to you about the lethal potential of a bomb and then lie on the floor watching as Daniel sacrificed his life to save others? NO? Okay, you aren't even then. Sorry but that was just a bad line choice. Nemec deserved better than that.

Otherwise a great episode. I felt so badly for Jonas going home. I wanted to grab him and yell "You know, you guys would make a great research team! Sorry about your home planet but ...oh, okay, I guess you do have to go off and save them for themselves but..."

I loved finally seeing this but Corin Nemec just looked tired and a bit defeated as he left. After a year of weathering a huge campaign to bring back Shanks and bearing it all with good cheer, I don't think he expected to be fired in such short order once Shanks came back on board.

Oh and Yu? Must. Die. Gah, hate him.

Posted by: wonderland Oct 24th 2004, 7:55 PM

QUOTE (LuvThatShanks @ Oct 21st 2004, 7:48 AM)

I really have a hard time believing that Michael would have bad-mouthed his friends and former co-stars, but it might have happened. However, Christopher said in the episode "Revelations" when he was sitting in a ship or glider or something and he realized Michael wasn't coming back to work with him, he broke down and cried. Sounds like a pretty solid friendship to me.
On to Corin Nemec. He has my symapthy. I am, and have been, a Daniel fan as long as I've been a fan of the show, but I feel for CN. Can you imagine the year he endured on the set, knowing the fans were screaming bloody murder for his demise so they could get Michael back? (And if I had been a fan at the time, I might have done the same, I don't know.)
Could his exit been done a bit better? Yes.
Should it have been done better? You bet your ass!

Posted by: Joel Oct 28th 2004, 10:57 PM

I think that the leader of Kelowans think that they would not touch their boundary if they traded with Anubis. Is he stupid.

Yu's First prime did good job. I think he also do not believe that his master was a real god, bud he will serve him.

Posted by: laurab Nov 6th 2004, 5:11 AM

This had to be a good one!!!!!!
I was really sad when the final scene was shown.
I'll miss Jonas!
I kind of knew that Jonas & Daniel were gonna ring down into the room where Sam & Teal'c were! It was obvious coz they kept switching between Sam & Teal'c & Jonas & Daniel.
Teal'c was great in this! Getting Yu's first prime to help them out!
I was in tears when I found out Corin (& Jonas!) was leaving!
That scene between Jonas & Daniel (just before they go to the ring thingy) was good. Daniel was sooo nice- telling Jonas what Jack had said about him. Pitty Jonas left.
Can't wait for 'Fall out'!

Posted by: IndyJan Nov 6th 2004, 11:31 AM

I didn't think I would like Jonas, but I ended up loving him. I think it was a shame the way he left, but at the same time, I was happy they didn't kill him off. It would not have sat well with me if they had killed him, just to bring back Daniel.

I have read too many things about MS and the rest of the cast. They are friends. Michael just may have thought it was time for a break and took it. If you notice when he returned he was much more buff and he's been getting even more so. I think he just needed that year off for whatever reason, and we just have to accept that.

Posted by: wonderland Nov 6th 2004, 1:35 PM

QUOTE (laurab @ Nov 6th 2004, 5:11 AM)

Can't wait for 'Fall out'!

A word of advice when you watch Jonas in "Fall-out". Please try to keep your eyes averted from the hair, unless you wish to be blinded.

Posted by: IndyJan Nov 6th 2004, 10:59 PM

QUOTE (wonderland @ Nov 6th 2004, 1:35 PM)

A word of advice when you watch Jonas in "Fall-out". Please try to keep your eyes averted from the hair, unless you wish to be blinded.

OMG, that is practically all you will see, and won't be able to get past.

Posted by: wonderland Nov 6th 2004, 11:25 PM

QUOTE (IndyJan @ Nov 6th 2004, 10:59 PM)

OMG, that is practically all you will see, and won't be able to get past.

Was that not the WORST hair-do ever seen in seven seasons on this show???
You would think if they could tame Michael's hair, they could have done something with Corin's.

Posted by: IndyJan Nov 7th 2004, 2:50 AM

LOL, I'm not kidding, when you see that you don't see anything else. It definitely detracts from the show, the eppy, everything. Yes, they managed to tame MS's hair, why couldn't they tame CN's?

Posted by: laurab Nov 7th 2004, 5:45 AM

Between filming 'Full Circle' & 'Fallen' (which was what? a few months?), CN's hair grew.
His hair looked nice in season 6- why did he change it??
Oh, by the way, I already knew he had a weird hair-do. So it was no surprize when 'Fallen' was shown.
It looks ok (from a distance!)

Posted by: wonderland Nov 7th 2004, 8:00 AM

QUOTE (laurab @ Nov 7th 2004, 5:45 AM)

It looks ok (from a distance!)

It might look nice from several billion light years away

Posted by: Evo Nov 14th 2004, 10:31 AM

As mentioned earlier in my previous post; what's wrong with Jonas's and Carter's hair? It grew fast.

It was nice to see Daniel getting back his memory, "Do we get paid for doing this," at the end of the episode, that was funny, I never saw that coming from Daniel.

When Baal and his collective fleet under Yu's command attacked Anubis, I was like, YES YES!!! THIS IS IT!!! ANUBIS IS GONNA DIE!!.. then there was an escape pod detaching from the ship..

I wished they showed Daniel actually coming up to everyone and saying, hey, I remember everything. But that didn't come. It didn't take him much time to regain his memories.

It was sad seeing Jonas having to leave He's my favorite character of Stargate and it's just sad seeing him leave

Posted by: IndyJan Nov 15th 2004, 11:02 AM

I felt the way Jonas left was a slap in the face to CN, to his character and to his fans. I will say that at least they didn't kill him off, which I was pleased about. I felt Jonas deserved better treatment. He had a hard act to follow, Daniel, but he did it. I think Jonas brought something to the team, a new freshness, and I liked him.

I guess they wanted MS back as Daniel, and they were willing to do anything to have that happen. Don't get me wrong, I love MS as Daniel, I just think the whole thing could have been handled much better. I would have been fine with a 5-man team. I think that there are enough differences between Jonas and Daniel that they could have been on the team together.

Posted by: LuvThatShanks Nov 15th 2004, 11:29 AM

Off topic: You know the first time I saw screencaps of Fallout my reaction was exactly this "Ha ha, very funny. Now where are the real headshots of Corin without that creature on his head?" I honestly didn't believe that was his hair.

On topic: Corin Nemec was a class act in the way he conducted himself through everything. I wanted them both to be on the show and have never understood why it was "Welcome back Daniel. Obviously we must write out Jonas." That was the decision they made.

Having made that decision though - Gah. I wish they had treated CN better in this first exit (which is pretty much the same as his next exit only he has horrible hair and strange clothing the next time we see him). The guy earned that. I can't even imagine his face when he got the script.

I like the episode so much and simply can't express how thrilled I was when MS returned but I'm still stinging on behalf of Nemen. I'm sure I'll recover someday but honestly this still bugs.

However, I'm grateful as hell that they didn't kill him. Technically that's generally how they handle an actor's departure "Okay, how do we kill him this time?" If they had killed him I would have had a fit worthy of a Keloanan leader.

Posted by: IndyJan Nov 15th 2004, 6:10 PM

QUOTE (LuvThatShanks @ Nov 15th 2004, 11:29 AM)

However, I'm grateful as hell that they didn't kill him. Technically that's generally how they handle an actor's departure "Okay, how do we kill him this time?" If they had killed him I would have had a fit worthy of a Keloanan leader.

As I watched the show, and knew about the return of Daniel, I kept saying they better not kill off Jonas. My husband would watch me yell at the tv, because that is what they usually do to replace someone. There was no need to kill off Jonas, other than, an excuse for Daniel to be there.

Posted by: magnavox Jan 20th 2005, 5:52 AM

One thing that irks me, The Kelownan general/ambassador (whatever he was) made a deal with Anubis to hand over the crystal for Kelowna's safety and everyone hates him and basically tell him he's a dickhead for it. Daniel pulled the same stunt in Full Circle and everyone just went along with it and arn't even angry with him when he came back, no consequences. WTF?

I thought the interaction between Daniel and Jonas was great, they really worked well together IMO.

Carter totally tackled Her'ak how cool was that!

The goodbye to Jonas scene seemed really forced, I dunno, it just didn't have the right feel about it, like the return of Daniel completely overshadowed Jonas' departure. Maybe it should have happened a few eps. down the line so it wasn't so 'ok, we've got Dr Jackson back, newbie you can rack off now!'.

Posted by: laurab Jan 21st 2005, 5:29 AM

It's a pitty the guy had to go.
& now that O'Neill has become a less frequent character (witch is bad in many ways), the writers have an oppotunity to give Jonas a 2nd go. All of SG-1 (plus all the others at the base) know Jonas, so it won't be a completly new guy, & concerning that his goodbye ep was sooooo craply done, i think the writers owe Jonas's fans something.

QUOTE

It might look nice from several billion light years away

I agree with you! If he does come back, maybe they can get rid of that awful hair do!
They messed around with him ever since they brought Daniel back. I like both of them, but it was unfair that he was badly treated (by the writers, NOT the characters!).
Because i'm a fan of both Jonas (& Daniel), my first fanfic for SG-1 included Jonas in the team as well as Daniel.

Posted by: The13thDoctor Mar 4th 2005, 12:07 PM

I've been wanting to comment on Jonas for a long time, but now...what the heck.

I like to predict the future. Who cares if I am wrong?

At this point in time, I'm pretty much up to the latest episode (USA time, that is - 04MR05). I know Daniel is back and Jonas is back on Kolona (SP?).

So, what was the hidden stuff in Jonas' genes? Nurdy (Jack's favorite name for this 'bad-guy gal') found something and Anubus found something. Actually, if it was only Nurdy that found something, then I'd assign it to a story line, that ended with Jonas' departure from the series. However...since Anubus said something, AND the writer KNEW that Jonas was leaving, and Daniel returning, then I have to wonder...does this 'something' still have a potential of showing up in the future? Did we 'know' about the connection between Jack and the Ancients (the special gene as pointed out in the SG-Atlantis) prior to episode 702? I don't think so. Was it possible that Jonas was originally (before ANYONE knew that Daniel/Michael Shanks was coming back) going to be the one with the Ancient gene? And the stories were re-written for Jack to be the one, since Jonas was gone? Well, if that was the case, why did Anubus say what he said about Jonas' genes, when the writers knew for sure that Jonas/Corin Nemec was leaving at episode 702? My theory is, that Jonas will be visiting us again AND we will find out that he IS an Ancient (remember how Jonas was able to "see" the future AND how quick a study he was, and, and, and...) or at least much closer to the Ancients (genewise) than Jack is. Wanna bet there is a storyline there? Even if there is, there is so much material to write about, this may just be a hook that the writers have to build upon in the future anyway.

I guess another storyline could be that the Jonas genes could be the saviour genes for the Asgard. Was Jonas ever aboard an Asgard ship, that wasn't already in trouble?

Bottom Line: I bet Jonas comes back again, in a two-parter. Not to stay with the series, but just as a great episode character.

Alright, I'm ready for the rotton tomatoes.

Posted by: magnavox Mar 5th 2005, 6:31 AM

QUOTE(The13thDoctor @ Mar 4th 2005, 12:07 PM)

Was it possible that Jonas was originally (before ANYONE knew that Daniel/Michael Shanks was coming back) going to be the one with the Ancient gene? And the stories were re-written for Jack to be the one, since Jonas was gone? Well, if that was the case, why did Anubus say what he said about Jonas' genes, when the writers knew for sure that Jonas/Corin Nemec was leaving at episode 702? My theory is, that Jonas will be visiting us again AND we will find out that he IS an Ancient (remember how Jonas was able to "see" the future AND how quick a study he was, and, and, and...) or at least much closer to the Ancients (genewise) than Jack is. Wanna bet there is a storyline there? Even if there is, there is so much material to write about, this may just be a hook that the writers have to build upon in the future anyway.

Nice theory but when they shot Prophecy and Full Circle they didn't know they were coming back for season 7, but they may have left it open just in case and never rehatched over it. I don't think having the ancient gene would necessarily make you smarter, look at Citizen Joe for example.

Posted by: The13thDoctor Mar 7th 2005, 12:11 PM

Excellant point, regarding Citizen Joe!

Posted by: starryeyes Oct 10th 2005, 10:45 AM

Well this sucks. I'm glad MS is back but did CN really have to go. I was starting to really enjoy his character and frankly didn't miss Shanks as much as others. I think Nemec got a raw deal. Perhaps if I had been watching this as it aired on tv, I would have felt differently.

Anyway, great episode. Jonas and Daniel work very well together. That shot of Anubis's ship blowing up was just awesome. I'll be glad to see the end of Anubis and his first prime but not this time, I guess.
Can he really be killed, since he's partially ascended? Only time will tell and I can't wait.

Posted by: Dafmeister Oct 10th 2005, 10:52 AM

QUOTE(starryeyes @ Oct 10th 2005, 4:45 PM)

Obviously he was screwed. All his character was a filler for Daniel. TPTB had no intention of keeping him on and got rid of him as soon as they could.

QUOTE

Can he really be killed, since he's partially ascended? Only time will tell and I can't wait.

Click for Spoiler

Posted by: I'm a janitor at the SGC 715 Mar 10th 2006, 2:43 AM

I thought this was a great episode, just like part one was a great episode. The effects were great. I love how they copied off Independence Day. Funniest part was when that bald guy said to Jack "You only brought 8 men" Jack: "8...good men" If I'm remembering this right in an episode in season 6 SG-1 told Jonas's people that they could not help them fight the other nations on that world but could help them if it was the guald. If so than why did SG-1 say to Jonas's people in this episode that they would only help them if all the other nations on that world knew about the stargate and were in agreement with each other about fighting the guald.

Also another funny part: did anyone notice that Jonas kept firing his Zat gun and no blue beam came out.

Posted by: KillerDanny Apr 6th 2007, 2:02 PM

Jonas wasn't too bad. He was no Daniel, but all across season 6 I felt that something was missing. The atmosphere Daniel created is unique, and nobody can replace that. So glad that SG-1 is back the way it was now.

Looking forward to this season.

Posted by: IndyJan Jul 10th 2007, 10:18 PM

QUOTE(wonderland @ Oct 24th 2004, 7:55 PM)

The goodbye to Jonas scene seemed really forced, I dunno, it just didn't have the right feel about it, like the return of Daniel completely overshadowed Jonas' departure. Maybe it should have happened a few eps. down the line so it wasn't so 'ok, we've got Dr Jackson back, newbie you can rack off now!'.

I agree, they should have kept Jonas around for a few episodes and then have something happen on Kelona and he had to return. This was rushed to allow Michael to return. They could have just used the two parter for Daniel's return and then 1-2 episodes later have Jonas leave the SGC. Or we know from season 9 and 10

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Posted by: Dafmeister May 6th 2008, 12:55 PM

I don't know what it is with this episode but I've always quite liked it - maybe it is the banter between Daniel and Jonas.
One thing I noticed was the slap which the male abassador recieved from the other female abassador. Watch the reaction of the Jaffa standing behind them - judging by the way he jerks his head back and the wince he makes, it doesn't look like the slap was meant to be that hard.

Posted by: wonderland May 6th 2008, 4:18 PM

QUOTE(Dafmeister @ May 6th 2008, 12:55 PM)

One thing I noticed was the slap which the male abassador recieved from the other female abassador. Watch the reaction of the Jaffa standing behind them - judging by the way he jerks his head back and the wince he makes, it doesn't look like the slap was meant to be that hard.

I think they said in the DVD commentary that the actress did not pull her punch and slapped him rather harder than expected.