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Posted by: Arcady Nov 23rd 2004, 2:06 AM

Episode 13 - Hot Zone
Air Dates - Canada: Nov 22 2004, UK: Jan 11 2005, US: Feb 4 2005

Several residents of Atlantis are infected with a deadly nanite virus, forcing a lockdown of the city.

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Posted by: Raxor Nov 23rd 2004, 9:01 AM

great episode, loads of funny comments between sheppard and mkay... always great to see the two banter

nice visual effects as always
not sure about the actual story, seems like there is a third faction to play in this. lets hope we can find about them soon

***1/2

Posted by: SGx Nov 23rd 2004, 9:05 AM

Not a bad episode not a great episode. Predictable in its outcome. Atlantis seems to be going for the creepy / eerie atmosphere in many of its episode, with things jumping out at you.

The ending leaves it hanging as to whether there is a new menace in the Pegasus galaxy that they will have to contend with.

Posted by: anja Nov 23rd 2004, 1:01 PM

Not the best episode. Some got sick - they fixed it. They could have complicated it a little. People seeing things?we should at least suspect they could be seeing something real. It was too straight forward. Not their best work.

Posted by: dr_n_tesla Nov 23rd 2004, 1:50 PM

Dr McKay loves his EMP machines!!!

I got an exam in 3hrs so will make my comments later.
But I did like Elizabeth this episode, she was strong as ever. Well I've always liked her anyway

Posted by: JaffaKree Nov 23rd 2004, 5:48 PM

I liked this episode. It was good to see alot of the auxiliary SGA personnel and have Weir stand up to Sheppard for once. It seems like all the best McKay lines are when he thinks he's about to die also. I thought it was weird how the virus affected him at first but then decided not to kill him because he had the gene. The nanovirus thing has been done before but that didn't bother me.

Posted by: PAL Nov 23rd 2004, 7:58 PM

This was a pretty good episode. Sure nanites aren't new, but it did a lot of good things for the show.

First, it finally discussed the issue of Sheppard's disregard for the chain of command by having him in conflict with Weir.
Second, they finally explored more of the city, which is something they should've been doing the whole time.
Third, Ford got some more lines, and is apparently more of a wuss than he previously let on.
Finally, they have laid the foundation for the introduction of a new enemy that is already more threatening than the Wraith. Considering that the nanites don't kill Ancients, its not a far stretch to consider the possibility that it is the Furlings who developed the nanites. Since the creators of the nanites didn't intend to kill the Ancients, it's fair to assume they were allies that disagreed on how to deal with the Wraith. The Nox would never do this, and are probably the least advanced of the Alliance. The Asguard don't seem to have been to Pegasus, so it is reasonable to conclude that the Furlings may be the culprits. Maybe not, but I get the feeling we'll have to wait a season or two to find out.

Oh, and has the cowardice of the Atlantis expedition members bothered anyone else? I mean, for a team being sent into the unknown, you think they would've chosen some bolder and more stable candidates. Even today psychological profiles are used to consider eligability for a variety of occupations.

Posted by: Ghostdraconi Nov 24th 2004, 2:14 AM

I think the thought of an infectious disease running rampant would cause anyone fear. I don't think it that suprising that one guy broke. Besides, I think the scientists were chosen for for knowledge and expertise rather than bravery.

Posted by: husvag Nov 24th 2004, 5:37 PM

Pretty good episode, not the most exiciting but not as dull as many of the sg1 season 7 episodes just waiting for the final big bang episode... Since they are sure it wasn't the Ancients who made it, and cause it wont attack ancients Furlings seem reasonable since they have intended for them to show up soon, but the one fallisy i see ( and perhaps there might be something in the furling genome to that stops the nanites ) But from Paradise Lost back on SG1 the skeletal remains of the presumably furlings where humanoids....

My guess is either they intend to meet the furlings in Pegasus or there are someone else or was someone else allied with the Ancients against the Wraith....


Pluss one pretty big Goof with this episode is that, well since this is a virus aimed at killing you dont wanna have it stopped easily, and we saw how the ancient digital devices didnt fry with the EMP, so why not just shield the nanites too, pretty useless if such a primitive rase as humans can stop it...


-husvag

Posted by: themeancanadian Nov 24th 2004, 7:34 PM

Posted by: PAL Nov 24th 2004, 7:37 PM

If the builders of the nanites weren't the Ancients, its perfectly reasonable that they aren't protected against the EMP. You say they should've copied the Ancient shielding, but the Ancient technology isn't shielded. It's just different than what we are used to, and isn't affected by electromagnets in the same way. To prevent an EMP from disabling them, the nanites would have to be significantly more sophistocated and utilize Ancient technology.

Posted by: Drizzt's Syn Nov 24th 2004, 7:40 PM

Great episode IMO.

I've finally come to accept Weir now, and am looking forward to more scenes like the "chain of command" issue.

Not the most original episode, certainly, enjoyable either way.

Posted by: Nnahrino Nov 25th 2004, 6:20 PM

I'm not so sure it wasnt the Ancients who created the nano virus.

They are protected from it (so its either them OR an ally), however they wouldnt want to kill the humans (would they?), well by using visions of/similar to the Wraith any human race infected would surely think it was the Wraith that were doing it and not the Ancients.. hence they could "frame" the Wraith so they dont lose any credit and they still stop the Wraith.

Perhaps the moral issue is why they didnt implement it in the end, but it could of been them who created it. Also Furlings are a possible candidate (6.15 Paradise Lost), its not stated if the Skeletons are Furlings or not, they sent invitations to many races to form the utopia so its not clear who the skeletons belong too, so they are not necessarely human.

Posted by: IamNobody Nov 25th 2004, 8:09 PM

well, if it wasn?t 4 the chain of command thingie I wouldn?t have liked this 1!
I hope they still do sth ?bout that. otherwise: 2 straightforward, as already mentioned

Posted by: rkenshin Nov 26th 2004, 1:57 AM

Most of the Atlantis expedition are Scientists.. I mean they've never been out on the field for this long so it's obvious that they would have a breakdown when something goes wrong..

I'm thinking the mess hall was filled with scientists since they were only infected by the nanovirus for little while and the first scary visions they see, they quickly freak.

I mean look at The Defiant One's scientists.. They both froze up and Gall gave in so easily and told the wraith everything about the Jumper and he killed himself in the end.

Posted by: Major Sheppard Nov 26th 2004, 11:38 AM

No i Did like This one for The Simple reson they have opened it up to another enemy of the Acients not just the wraith so it is intresting to see maybe another type of bad guy in the future just like what sg1 did when they introduced the Replicators looking forward to see where this storyine might end up someday cool

Posted by: Pitry Nov 26th 2004, 4:53 PM

Yes! Finally Weir stands up for her own! haha, when Sheppard asked her to open the door (after they were out), and she wasn't saying anything... I was like, what, isn't she talking to him anymore? Hopefully she'll keep on that attitude.

McKay was brilliant as usual. His last speech.. *ROFL* "I was minutes away from developing the unification theory but I died saving..." Zelenca: "...kids." Also the friendship between McKay and Beckett is really pulled of nicely, both in the end of the Eye and here... the checked look on Beckett's face... That was indeed a very good scene.

Oh! And maybe they'll finally answer the question of - how come the Ancients met the human-life-eating Wraiths in Pegasus when all humans there are descendents from the Ancients in the first place...? If they were manufactured by someone it would make more sense. Hopefully they won't leave this as an open thread but develop a decent explanation of it.

One thing that bothered me - come on! The second McKay sees the dead people he knows its a virus? It could have been a thousand differnet things... I know they have a time limit but....

Posted by: Carter-Hot Nov 26th 2004, 6:03 PM

NOw this episode was fantastic, the best quarantine/medic episode so far!

Rating 100/100

Atthe start of the episode, I knew Peterson was gonna be trouble and even felt like killing him. The scene where e "stumbles" onto the Mess Hall - funny -

*ARGH*

The lockdown mode was very cool, red alert, and siren was so cool, the door closing, don't know why, but I thought that was neatly done.

MacKay was funny and poor Weir, Sheppard undermine her orders.

A must see episode!

Posted by: Christy Nov 27th 2004, 3:50 AM

I liked this episode, it was really interesting.
not sure about a new enemy but i liked John Sheppard in this episode.
good acting by all.

Posted by: SkyDragon Nov 28th 2004, 9:20 AM

The virus wasn't made by the Ancients, sine they already ruled that out at the end of the episode, and already introducing us to the mere idea of an "unknown" enemy.

My thoughts are that the enemy is probably not as unknown as they thought - It has to be the Furlings. As soon as they said that they don't know who made it, "Furlings" popped into my head right at that instant. It'd be cool to see them as the new enemy in Atlantis ("The Good guys turned bad for some reason" thing)

My guess is that the Furlings probably didn't like the Ancients populating the galaxy with these lowly humans, and sent a virus to destroy what the ancients were doing. That is what finally destroyed the alliance between the four major powers when they went to war with one another.

Yes, that theory is full of holes, but I still believe that can be a rough outline of what it'll turn out to be. I'd also prefer this "new enemy" to have some uber-cool, mean ships that make me drool - Trying to instill fear into our hearts.

What about that, since the Ancients were populating galaxies with humans, the Furlings got jealous, and created the Wraith to devour those humans, and keep them in check. The virus was probably something created by them before or soon afterwards, since the Wraith weren't killing humans sufficiently, i.e. feasting on humans, then hibernating.

Posted by: Christy Nov 28th 2004, 10:22 PM

i thought that the humans had already populated the planets when the Ancients came to the pegasus galaxy?
I dont think that the Anicents would have transported humans to a different galaxy for no reason.

Posted by: nitesoul Nov 29th 2004, 2:22 AM

why are you pointing the finger at the furlings? the first time we heard of them they were allies of the ancients and the last time we heard of them they(or at least some) had chucked away all their tech to live in a paradise free of weapons with various other races and speices in peace, there has yet to be any evidence that the furlings are/were in peg or anywhere else(except the paradise moon mentioned above)

i dont think the nanites represent a new enemy against the ancients but rather evidence of another advance race(not as advance as the ancients, but say at the gould tech level) that has remained low key from the humans but are against the wraiths, they could have created the nanites so that it would hurt the wraith by killing off their food, but leaving the ancients or those with ancient genes alive to be future allies(they didnt think their would be humans there, after all it is the city of the ancients and they thought that maybe after all this time they finally came back)

anyway, its a great episode showcasing the other scientists, mckay's great "i'm about to die" rants, and yeah for weir steping up in her role as the one in charge

Posted by: antigravity Dec 6th 2004, 6:44 PM

hey, dorky question about the openning dialogue and prime numbers:

McKay says 4021, right? and the Czech guy says it's not? You mean, as hard as it is to verify the prime-ness of numbers (prime-numbers.org), they still got it wrong in the script?

Posted by: jedi_master_ss Dec 7th 2004, 11:28 AM

i think this one goes into nitpick cause as you said antigravity 4021 is a prime and the scrpit writers got it wrong

Posted by: ted_simple Dec 24th 2004, 6:06 AM

The series took the right direction since The Storm/The Eye. We're finally seeing a lot of the city. And I also enjoy that - other than SG-1 - the main stars are not as isolated from the rest of the crew, they don't even call their team "Atlantis-1" or so. They're more of a part of a larger group, in a leading role.

The premise is similar to the new Battlestar Galactica series: A small, self-governed group of specialists, who are no longer in contact with a homeworld. Sheppard confronting Weir, military vs. government... we get that on BG all the time, but on Atlantis, it's new. I think both series coincidentally jumped on the same train... or because there was a lack of those stories which cried to be told.

Posted by: Andygod90 Jan 11th 2005, 5:09 PM

exellent episode, turned out better than i thought.

WELL DONE PRODUCERS FOR KEEPING UP THE GOOD WORK!!!!!!!

P.S. teyla at the start with that gear on was so hot

Posted by: Dafmeister Jan 11th 2005, 5:28 PM

Another good ep in my opinion. What the hell happened to Ford? I thought he reacted strange all of a sudden. Loved it when McKay said he wanted people to know that he died saving children.

Cant wait to see who this other race is, that created the virus. I wonder if its an offshoot of the Ancients, who wanted to destroy the Wraith by getting rid of their source of food (Kind of like when the Reetou in SG1 want to kill all posible hosts for the Goa'uld)? Plausible, in my opinion, as the virus didnt affect those with the Ancient gene. Have to wait and see.

Teyla looked hot as hell in that outfit at the beginning. I wonder if the writers are planning to make Sheppard and Teyla become closer, as there have been a few shippy moments in the last few eps between them?

Posted by: Carter-Hot Jan 11th 2005, 5:36 PM

Oh no, not Sheppard and Teyla, though I heard plans of it, the deserving couple is so Sheppard and Weir.

I hope it's not an evil bunch of Ancients that created the disease, cos that will spoil the good nature of the Ancients, I hope it's some evil looking aliens that really wanted to destroy all humans because of either: humans were destroying their land or they wanted to get rid of the Ancients yet fear the Wraith.

Posted by: ali Jan 11th 2005, 6:05 PM

I thought this was one of the best episodes yet in terms of tension and bad things happening (can't think of a better way to word that..) The whole thing had a sort of claustrophobic feel to it.
I was watching in a sort of morbid fascination as everyone died. I'm surprised that the writers would kill that many people (even if they weren't main characters) and that they'd do it in such a nasty and meticulous way. I knew they wouldn't kill Mckay off as it's too soon to kill off a main character (especially him!) but I was still kind of worried that he was going to die.
I also thought the conflict between Sheppard and Weir was very good- the way that it wasn't resolved at the end just added to the tension between them, because it really gave me the idea that it's going to go unsolved and it will be a big problem between them.

And who's the race who made the virus? It will be really cool if it's some super race who haven't been discovered yet- it should make for some really good episodes!

I'm actually very close to giving this one 10/10, but I don't want to do that yet...

Posted by: fan_83 Jan 11th 2005, 6:45 PM

i got kinda curious... how many naquadah generator did they bring with them ??

they already lost 2... and in teh episode with teh energy sucking thingy they had only6... so they will now be short handed wouldn;t they..

cos in that episode they only had one back up and that was sent away.. so now does the atlantis team have to cut down on power consumption ??

Posted by: Madmaker Jan 12th 2005, 3:19 PM

In Hide and Seek the loose no word about the count of their generators. Rewatched it just today

Posted by: ToriasDax Jan 13th 2005, 10:59 AM

Looking through the comments I agree with a lot of what has been said, I am glad to see that we are now getting to see more of Atlantis.

I'm not sure about the implications of another race that were enemies with the Ancients, that could just be a red herring !!

Albeit it a good episode it was a little predicatble that one of the main characters was going to contract the nanite infection, and it seemed a little strange that he had all the symptoms, but then suddenly he was fine!

Roll on the next episode

Posted by: BrandonTheGreat Jan 13th 2005, 9:53 PM

A rather well episode, one part that was good is how Teyla kicked Sheppard's ass.

The Sheppard/Weir thing is probably going to get more serious later on.

Anyways, great episode, with a dark plot, the only bad thing is they lost 4 members of the team in this episode if I remember.

Posted by: stargatesweetie Jan 14th 2005, 1:18 AM

Just a comment. If the virus did not affect/harm the Ancients, why did the city shut down to prevent infected people from moving around as though it were "protecting itself"? Protecting itself from what? it did not affect Ancients! Is it that the city protects its inhabitants rather than itself?
McKay as usual was the highlight with his babbling and obvious relief/confusion at the fact that he was still alive- it was a little obvious that he would survive but hey, it fills up 30 mins. This wasn't a bad episode in my opinion and does set some new questions about the origins of the virus. Could the Furlings be involved and if they are..are they from the Pegasus galaxy? will we get to see them? interesting.

Posted by: Dafmeister Jan 14th 2005, 10:49 AM

I think there more of a Sheppard/Teyla thing going on.

Im hoping to see the Furlings in Atlantis at some point. Perhaps a few seasons down the line. Ive always wanted the Furlings to be a bad ass enemy.

Posted by: fan_83 Jan 14th 2005, 6:41 PM

they lost 5.. not 4

Posted by: 38 Minutes Jan 17th 2005, 9:33 AM

Maybe the city is locking down just incase there was any furlings, nox or asguard in the city. Surely they must visit them now and again?

Posted by: 38 Minutes Jan 20th 2005, 8:31 AM

Or maybe they were creating them to simply kill the Wraith.

Posted by: KoKi Jan 31st 2005, 2:01 PM

cool virus...... tit they save any samples, behapes it can be use agines the wraith...
but ho create the virus??????

Posted by: Dafmeister Jan 31st 2005, 2:15 PM

Cool virus??? How is it cool? It kills people and you think its cool?



We dont know. McKay said that at the end of the ep. The writers wouldnt tell us who created the virus because they are a possible enemy in the future.

Posted by: RJLCyberPunk Feb 4th 2005, 11:53 PM

This was indeed a great episode by all acounts!

Posted by: Lana_Jackson Feb 5th 2005, 9:55 AM

You think this conflict between Weir and Sheppard (Hot Zone) is gonna have a lasting affect on their relationship? I feel that more issues will be brought up about how Sheppard stepped over the line, and disregarded Weirs warnings and orders. I also believe that Sheppard did over use his authority, and did not respect the chain of command. I love Sheppard, don't get me wrong, but I think he was just a little out of line by stepping on Weir's toes like that.

I also believe that this will have residual affect on the relationship of Weir and Sheppard. I'm not sure how or what.

(Just a friendly discussion. Please, don't turn this into a shouting match. Thank you. )

Posted by: Aquila Feb 5th 2005, 8:04 PM

Yet again Atlantis impressess me with its fascinating stories and use of digital effects. Bit by bit, we are learning more and more about Atlantis's surroundings in the Pegasus Galaxy...entertainment that keeps me glued all the way.

I wish they did show more dueling between Tey'la and Sheppard...perhaps he will use this form of combat later on? I hope so.

Posted by: Sighfienerd Feb 5th 2005, 9:15 PM

Oh, I do so agree with you. Sheppard totally overstepped his authority. He's not a man who suffers inaction well. He was almost vibrating with the need to get out of that gym and DO something. There's certainly going to have to be a showdown in Atlantis - yeehaww.

I really hadn't thought too much about ship in this show. But the scene in Weir's office was filled with tension - and not only from their disagreement. It was like invisible threads were pulling them to the edge of their seats.

Sheppard seems more...well, brotherly...with Teyla. She's childlike (even if she does have abs of steel). He didn't seem in the least bit angry that she whomped him up and down the room with those sticks - but he got very angry almost immediately with Dr. Weir when she told him to stay put. Teyla's too easy - it's Weir that would be the challenge...and I think our Major Sheppard likes a challenge.

Oh yeah, and the previews for next week show Sheppard hooking up with someone entirely different. That's what I call a red herring.

Here 's another thought - "the city" initiated a lockdown, "the city" could tell when people were wearing hazmat suits, "the city" recognized when the threat had passed.
Could "the city" be somehow sentient? Like when Thor's and Carter's consciousness were downloaded into computers?

Posted by: Crilisin Feb 6th 2005, 7:33 PM

i wish i could see what happened at the begining because the channel whent out.


GO PHILADELPHIA

Posted by: ancient01 Feb 7th 2005, 7:09 AM

I can't figure out why Ford didn't hunt that guy down and shoot him when he ran. Ford was armed and already in the quarantine zone. They noticed he just left and ignored him. What else did Ford have to do?

In my opinion, the Ancients are the best candidates for who created the virus. I think everyone is awestruck by the Ancients. I'm sure they weren't perfect. In fact, by the sound of it, they were desperate. If they stayed in Pegasus, the Wraith would wipe them out. If they went back to the Milky Way, the plague would wipe them out. They were desperate to live. That could be just enough to push them over the edge. My $.02...

Posted by: atlantica Feb 9th 2005, 7:03 PM

After watching this episode i think this new hidden enmy might be the actual enemy that the ancients found in the pegasus galaxy. It would explain the evlution of the wraith, the virus and the plage that the ancients were suffering. In the original message when they go to atlantis it said they had found an enemy to match their abilities.

The wraith were a match for the ancients but not a great one. I think what finally gave them the edge was their sheer number. Besides that there were no humans on the Pegasus Galaxy before the ancients put them there so what were the wraith eating. I think this new enemy helped the wraith to evolve to kill of the ancients and the humans, just like they created this virus, and the plague that killed most of the ancients.

Posted by: Dafmeister Feb 9th 2005, 8:01 PM

Posted by: stargatefreak Feb 13th 2005, 3:15 PM

I thought it was a great ep. I didn't like that Ford was such a wuss and a pushover. MacKay just yells and orders him around all the time. HELLO!!!! He is an army Lt. !!!! Show some spine!!!! And then he freaks out about being the next one to die!!! Honestly, the writers need to develop his character a lot more.

Other than that I really liked the episode. The tension between Sheppard and Weir was great. I didn't really like that they never finished their discussion about chain of command because I think that Sheppard got off the hook too fast.

Posted by: Christy May 21st 2005, 9:36 PM

Ford is such a cutie though.
But yes, him being pushed around a lot, him having to take orders all of the time and never actually standing up for himself is getting a tad tiring...this guy is in the military...where are his guts? his courage?

Posted by: General Jen Jun 15th 2005, 9:14 PM

this was a good episode but they need to think up new ways of having bad guys etc without killing heaps more of the team because the do not have unlimited people.

sheperd was a loser for not doing what wier said.

i am glad mcay didn't die.

looking forward to next ep

Posted by: ninjamara Jun 26th 2005, 4:17 AM

OK so in Oz we only just got this ep, so whether anyone will read this is beyond me but......
Why would the nanobug have to have been created as a weapon against the wraithe? I mean if you created something to kill all the humans, but your race, doesn't that just mean they'll came for you now.....as the only food source?
Maybe it could just have been an ethnic cleansing thing by some crazy Alantian.....perhaps Atlantians were being born that didn't have the gene and someone didn't approve.....
Just a thought....
Ninja

Posted by: Pitry Jun 26th 2005, 10:10 AM

They didn't actually say that. The episode was more or less concluded with "we have no idea who made the virus and why...".

I still don't get how they figured out it's a disease so fast... Other than teh world-wide episode-length intuition of course But it's a lovely episode nonetheless.

Posted by: Sighfienerd Jun 26th 2005, 10:17 AM

Could it have been a hint that there's something else out there - another as yet unknown adversary?

Posted by: Dafmeister Jun 26th 2005, 5:32 PM

I think its pretty safe to say that. Looking at the way the virus didnt affect those with the Ancient gene, it could turn out that it was created by the Ancients themselves so that the Wraiths sourceof food (humans) would be killed off. Perhaps it was created by the Orii before they ascended??

Im sure Martin Gero said that we will find out more about the creators of it in season 2. Im not certain but im fairly sure I read it.

Posted by: Stargate Haven Jun 27th 2005, 8:36 PM

My take on this epi.:

As has been previously mentioned, the whole infectious disease thing is nothing new, and neither are nanites. However, it didn't seem too trite or overdone, so I'll forgive 'em for that.

The one thing I really did like about this episode is how it leaves you hanging at the end, wondering if maybe the Atlantis team will meet whoever created this virus. Whether or not they turn out to be an enemy is totally up for grabs, but I think we're probably leaning more towards them being an enemy.

Many people have mentioned Furlings in this topic, and I was wondering if they mentioned them somewhere in the episode and I missed it. The Furlings might be involved, I'm not necessarily saying they weren't, but I'm just not seeing how so many people made that connection. Did I miss something? (very possible, trust me, I do it all the time )

~Haven~

Posted by: Pitry Jun 28th 2005, 3:42 PM

Yeah I recall him saying this, too. I'm not sure they'll mix in Orii tho - didn't they say they're trying to keep mythologies apart? But it does open a huge amount of possibilities.

Posted by: Dafmeister Jun 28th 2005, 4:08 PM

I suppose it does make sense to keep the Orii out of Atlantis season 2, since they would have only just been introduced in SG1 season 9.
I speculated that it may have been created by the Orii as they are supposed to be 'bad' Ancients, therefore they should have had the Ancient gene. Since the Orii are 'bad' Ancients, they may have thought it was acceptable to wipe out the Wraith by wiping out their food. But it makes sense to leave the Orii from Atlantis from now.
I'll go back to my original theory that it was created by the Furlings who turn out to bad ass enemies

Posted by: Sighfienerd Jun 28th 2005, 4:38 PM

But weren't the Ancients themselves susceptible to the virus? In which case it sounds more like an experiment to protect against the Wraith gone horribly, horribly wrong.

Posted by: Dafmeister Jun 28th 2005, 5:26 PM

Those that were infected with the virus saw visons of things attacking them. The people without the Ancient gene died of a brain anurism (spelling??), i think. Those with the Ancient gene experienced the symptoms (McKay) but did not die from exposure to the virus. I would have thought that meant it was engineered not to kill those with the Ancient gene but could kill those without it.

Posted by: Sighfienerd Jun 28th 2005, 5:49 PM

You're right. Well then, how about the possiblity that the Ancients were playing around with an immunization type virus that would have made human blood unpalatable to the Wraith? Sort of like the polio vaccine - where live (but weakened) polio microbes were injected into a host - sometimes actually causing polio and/or death. Maybe they were injecting Wraith DNA or something to fool Wraith biology into believing that humans were of the same species, therefore making their blood unacceptable?

Posted by: Dafmeister Jun 28th 2005, 6:01 PM

I suppose it could be something like that but didnt McKay also say that it definitely wasnt created by the Wraith nor the Ancients. I recall him saying it was a different technology to what he has already seen, Im sure he said it wasnt Ancient tech.

Posted by: Sighfienerd Jun 28th 2005, 6:07 PM

Well...back to square one, which is that it was some as yet unknown adversary.

Dafmeister, have you seen this episode more than once? Because if not, your memory is really excellent.

Posted by: Lagger Jun 28th 2005, 6:42 PM

there is always a bigger fish

Posted by: ninjamara Jun 29th 2005, 12:12 AM

Umm who are the orii?? We haven't got that in SG1 here yet....soo far behind in Oz....or I could have just missed it but I doubt it!

Posted by: ninjamara Jun 29th 2005, 12:26 AM

Summed it up so nicely!!! Great ep. either way!!
Ninja

Posted by: Dafmeister Jun 29th 2005, 4:19 AM

Ive seen it a few times. I record them when they are first shown and I end to rewatch them every few months.
Ok just rewatched the end of 'Hotzone':
McKay: Upon further investigation I think we can rule out they were created by the Wraith. They are different to any Wraith technology we have come across thus far.
Sheppard: Well if not the Wraith...then who made them?
McKay: I honestly don't know. Whoever they were, let's just hope they are not still around.

He doesnt actually say they weren't Ancient tech, but im sure he would have recognised them if they had been Ancient technology



Sorry I shouldhave put theat in spoiler tags.

Posted by: IndyJan Jul 1st 2005, 10:11 PM

Since McKay didn't have the gene naturally, it was engineered by Beckett, it would make sense that they would give the gene therapy to everyone on Atlantis, wouldn't you think?

Posted by: ninjamara Jul 1st 2005, 10:46 PM

Maybe eventually, but it would take longer to take effect than the infected people had left before they would have died from the nanobugs. They explained that in the episode.
Also gene therapy can be quite dangerous and I'm sure they aren't stupid enough to give it to everyone, before closely following their guinee pig (McKay). Various real-life studies have for instance cured one disease only to later result in cancer in the patient, which is why the study would have ben illegal on Earth as the people are perfectly healthy without the Alantian gene and so it would be considered far too dangerous to muck with their genetics just so they can play with Atlantian machines (even though it would be cool)......also results for genetic engineering can vary tremendously between patients. A similar example arose in "poisoning the well" actually, and showed us that Beckett wouldn't take on anything like gene therapy lightly and without having thouroughly tested it.

P.S. Sorry for the earlier double post. I'm new to this and didn't realise you could quote 2 diff people in one response....how do you do that anyway?? There are tags above the box I'm writing in...is it to do with that? I'll try next time....noob I know!

Posted by: IndyJan Jul 2nd 2005, 9:13 PM

I agree, in fact I remember Beckett saying that the gene therapy wouldn't have happend on earth for awhile, until it had been tested for some time.

I guess since this is an exploratory mission, more or less, and we have been shown that having the ancient gene definitely helps you, I think I would want to have that in me. For the most part, I think you would be safeguarded, if for no other reason than you can operate the machines, weapons and puddle jumpers.

Posted by: ninjamara Jul 4th 2005, 2:15 AM

Um maybe. I mean if it helped you operaTe medical equipment too, maybe if something went wrong you could fix it anyhow.......I'm glad that they haven't just gone, "here it is..now you've all got the gene", buT instead been mature about it and seem aware of the risks. That's all!

Posted by: Drakkanrider Jul 27th 2005, 12:01 AM

They also mention in that episode (I think Zalenski(spelling?) says it, or Beckett) that the gene therapy only works on 48% of all recipients.
This exact point in this episode actually has something i would like to confirm; I know Ford didnt have the gene, but I was wondering if he says at this point that he had never had the gene therapy, or if he says that he had had it and it didnt take. I was wondering if someone who had taped the episode could confirm this for me, I would really appreciate it.

Posted by: attack Aug 31st 2005, 3:27 PM

I THINK

Posted by: Dafmeister Aug 31st 2005, 6:38 PM

Posted by: cosmos Oct 9th 2005, 4:57 AM

He asks Beckett how long it will take for the gene therapy to kick in, if he takes the shot right now. So that implies that he had never tried to take the treatment before then and he have not taken it right then either because it would not have done any good as it takes four hours minimum for the gene therapy to complete its cycle.

Posted by: blackbelt83 Jan 31st 2006, 3:09 AM

I really liked this episode it I know that guy was scared but he risked the life of evey on in atlantis.

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