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Stargate Information Archive _ Atlantis Season 1 _ 108 - Underground
Posted by: Arcady Aug 27th 2004, 5:43 PM
Episode 8 - Underground
Air Date: (US) August 27, 2004
Efforts to open trade relations with a species called the Genii turn sour when the team discovers their new "allies" have ulterior motives.
Guest starring Star Trek's Colm Meaney.
http://www.sg1archive.com/atlantis/s1.shtml#108 | http://www.sg1archive.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=7582 | http://www.sg1archive.com/teasers/a108.html
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Posted by: Aquila Aug 27th 2004, 10:00 PM
To say the least, suspense continually plagued this episode. Now that we know what the team is up against...wow, there in trouble! I only hope they can find some means of defence to hold the brutes off! 
Posted by: StillLoveJeffWebber Aug 27th 2004, 10:04 PM
Good ending...took a while to get there though. I was hoping Sheppard would say, " Well...you've already made an enemy of us!"
Must say though - the whole, Sheppard/McKay banter on the way back from the gate was histerical...I love it when those two interact.
Could live without Weir at this point.
Posted by: FifthElement Aug 27th 2004, 10:17 PM
Good Episode sans THE FRIGGIN' COMMERCIALS!
Really, Sci-Fi needs to cut down on them. Too many and too long.
It feels like more commercial time than there is show.
They need to give Weir something to do or cut her.
Her bit parts could be dropped out and nothing would suffer at this point.
I don't dislike her but the character is bringing nothing to the table. 
Posted by: RJLCyberPunk Aug 27th 2004, 10:31 PM
Boy was this a suspensfull episode!
This people may turn out to become the version of the Ashen on the pegasus galaxy!
I doubt it will be the last they will hear from them...
Again it seems the script writters have no clue on what to do with Higgins character Dr Weir. And I think its showing, I think in this ep she looked more disapointed probably with her character than with the fact that Sheppard had offered nukes...
If the script writters dont get their act together I would be surprised if we hear that she is leaving the show and with good reason..
Posted by: xayeidemon Aug 27th 2004, 10:41 PM
This ep reminded me of The Other Side for some reason. Meh. Teyla's got a new hairdo. I guess someone spoke to her about the practicality of having long flowing tresses in the heat of battle.
Colm Meany was cool. I never get tired of seeing that man.
Posted by: SlavsyaRossiya Aug 28th 2004, 1:09 AM
| QUOTE (xayeidemon @ Aug 27th 2004, 10:41 PM) |
| This ep reminded me of The Other Side for some reason. Meh. |
I know EXACTLY why: The table scene where McKay starts prattling along about his 6th grade experiment or whatever...That looked EERILY like the scene from The Other Side. The resemebelence was uncanny, so much so that I kind of think it was intentional: Paying homage to one of the best SG1 eps ever
Anyway, I liked this episode, but I can't give a concrete opinion just yet...I was a bit distracted by the episode of SG1 that aired (and I say that in a VERY negative way).
I'll watch it again and judge.
Posted by: Cuokuo Aug 28th 2004, 3:24 AM
Great ep!
I dont understand why the Gemni people we were up themselves... We clearly had far more advanced technology and had a common enemy. Couldnt they just work with us??
Posted by: ancient01 Aug 28th 2004, 9:41 AM
Overall, I enjoyed this Ep, but... They really need to develop Teyla's character. She seems really 2D. I can't believe she told the entire story about waking up the Wraith and it didn't even occur to her that the Genii would take that poorly?? I want to know why she would do such a thing. This is character development...
Posted by: ted_simple Aug 28th 2004, 10:41 AM
Colm Meaney was there. Downside: His reckless attitude wasn't believable to me. On DS9 he practically symbolized a humble man of great integrity and he always strikes me as one.
Teyla was sweet 
Her haircut is way better too.
Posted by: Drizzt's Syn Aug 28th 2004, 2:40 PM
Colm Meaney, woohoo!
Fun episode, although IMO there's been too many early industrial civilizations lately...Getting a bit boring...
I imagine Tori Higginson didn't expect such a small role...she started as the main character, sheesh!
Wouldn't be surprised if she pulled a "Tasha Yar"...
Posted by: ted_simple Aug 28th 2004, 4:13 PM
Then she would leave in the first season, yet still appear in the series final of season seven because she was so special and part of the family 
I'd prefer her to do the negotiating, as she suggested Major Sheppard herself. There wasn't enough room for that in this episode I suppose.
Posted by: linda_lol Aug 28th 2004, 4:37 PM
This episode was okay, I enjoyed SG-1 a lot more though. The whole "suspicious" thing came a bit early though. We saw that alien guy talk in his little arm band and everyone knew that he they were bad. I mean, come on, I perfer to be surprised then all of a sudden know that they're bad. Well, I didn't have enough time to finish this episode but I did see the ending. I'm real surprised to that Teyla didn't save that moaning guy. I would of shot the freak telling her to leave him behind, but then I'm kinda weird when it comes to opinions.
| QUOTE |
| They need to give Weir something to do or cut her. |
Shes kinda like General Hammond, hes not in all the scenes in SG-1 but we know hes there. He IS the leader. Like Weir, shes not always there but they do need a someone in charge. Besides, how could they cut her? Would she just go back to Earth or get shot?
Posted by: UNSRM Aug 28th 2004, 4:38 PM
I agree with all that has been said, particularly about the Weir character - the Tasha Yar thing is a real possibility if they don't do something with the character. She had more to do in the SG1 eps Lost City and New Order than she has in her own show!
PS. Colm Meany rules
Posted by: SlavsyaRossiya Aug 28th 2004, 5:04 PM
| QUOTE (Drizzt's Syn @ Aug 28th 2004, 2:40 PM) |
| Wouldn't be surprised if she pulled a "Tasha Yar"... |
If the Stargate gods are benevolent, they'll make it a slow and painful death.
Posted by: Sal'tesh of the Tok'Ra Aug 28th 2004, 6:53 PM
Good ep. interesting story and good to see a good oul' Irishman in it.
In case your wondering i am refereing to Colm Meany. I know someone out there was wondering who was irish in it.
Don't lie. i know it was you.
Posted by: Drizzt's Syn Aug 28th 2004, 7:24 PM
| QUOTE (linda_lol @ Aug 28th 2004, 4:37 PM) |
| Shes kinda like General Hammond, hes not in all the scenes in SG-1 but we know hes there. He IS the leader. Like Weir, shes not always there but they do need a someone in charge. Besides, how could they cut her? Would she just go back to Earth or get shot? |
Still, the way Atlantis started you just expected much more involvement from her side. I mean hell, she's the second person shown Atlantis' intro, just as Daniel Jackson was up till season 5, and yet she doesn't even have half of his time on screen per "typical episode".
Posted by: Reignfire Aug 28th 2004, 7:45 PM
| QUOTE (StillLoveJeffWebber @ Aug 27th 2004, 10:04 PM) |
| Good ending...took a while to get there though. I was hoping Sheppard would say, " Well...you've already made an enemy of us!" |
I was expecting that too.
I thought the way Weir ended the mission briefing at the beginning seemed off. Ending with "sounds like a mission people" and then gets up and leaves just didn't feel right, like there was something else someone should have said or maybe it was the way she said it.
| QUOTE (RJLCyberPunk) |
| I doubt it will be the last they will hear from them... |
They will return for Episodes 10 and 11
Posted by: Ehzarhorden Aug 28th 2004, 9:23 PM
| QUOTE (Drizzt's Syn @ Aug 28th 2004, 2:40 PM) |
| I imagine Tori Higginson didn't expect such a small role...she started as the main character, sheesh! Wouldn't be surprised if she pulled a "Tasha Yar"... |
So you want Weir to get killed off only to appear later on in some alternate reality episode and finally appear again as the bastard grown child of the alternate Weir and a Wraith ?
I'm getting tired of her complaining about what Sheppard does on missions If she is so adamant about things then SHE should go along - she IS a friggin diplomat, isn't she ?
My other comments have pretty much been stated by others already. I liked this ep and I really do not like the Genii losers. Well at least they had dinner.
Posted by: Gunfighter Aug 28th 2004, 9:43 PM
People keep on complaining about Weir, but so far, I don't think she's so bad. Now that the Athosians (sp?) are gone, we don't have to see her coddling to their sensitivities. Some complained about her "decisions" line in PtW, but they misquoted and made it sound worse than it was. In 108 - Underground, her time is limited, but she didn't annoy me. She's smart enough to realize that Sheppard's negotiations with the Jennai (sp?) are fairly reasonable, and that there's realistically no changing them at that point anyway. I can't blame her for warning him about arms dealing - after all, as the Jennai prove, you can't always trust your clients.
Actually, I'm more disappointed with the character of Major Sheppard. He's definitely not as cautious as he ought to be - for example, when he realized that his radio signal had been blocked by the bunker, he just shrugged and kept going with McKay. What he should've done was get his lazy butt back up the ladder and tell Ford what was going on. Or better yet, respectfully ask the Jennai leaders what was going on before tresspassing. (McKay's comment "Maybe they don't know it's here" was pretty stupid, too - the hatch was covered in straw in a Jennai barn, not, say, hidden in an ancient forbidden cave or something.) The writers ought to be coming up with better lines for him, too. The parting exchange between (Cowen?) and Sheppard should have been more like:
| QUOTE |
| Cowen (enraged): You do not want to make an enemy of the Jennai! Sheppard: I think you managed to do that all by yourself. |
He's not bad, but his performance could be a bit better. I'd also have grabbed a few Marines from the Atlantis base to stick in the back-up puddle jumpers. I mean, what were the PJs going to do, realistically, if the Jennai had decided to fight? Fire off a few drones and blow away Sheppard's team as well? If they'd brought the Marines, they could've dropped the PJ's rear ramps and had some guys aiming their rifles from the back. Plus, you'd have the cool (and for the Jennai, discouraging) effect of having a few laser dots dancing around on Cowen's face and chest. 
I think some disciplinary action is in order for the A-Team. Weir had every right to chew out Sheppard for his unauthorized negotiations, and Sheppard ought to have given Teyla a good talking to. She needs a few lessons on keeping her mouth shut, as well as keeping the greater good in mind. The Jennai commando was absolutely right in trying to keep the team from being discovered. Teyla's actions to save the coccooned man, while well-intentioned, put the entire team and mission at risk. More importantly, she woke up another hive ship that will now begin pillaging the galaxy and murdering hundreds or thousands more people... all for the sake of one person who, for all we know, was already as good as dead. And yet, Sheppard only saw the bleeding heart. I feel that the alliance could have been salvaged if Sheppard had taken disciplinary action, instead of confronting the Jennai for their insensitivity. Not only could the Jennai offer food, but they had relatively advanced weapons that would be very useful if the A-Team runs out of P90 ammo. Even though, as it turned out, there were far too many Wraith ships to take out with commando raids, I can think of a few situations where a couple nukes could come in handy...
Posted by: Arcady Aug 28th 2004, 11:38 PM
This is way off topic, but every time you refer to them as the "A-Team" I get this image in my head:
Posted by: 1969 Aug 28th 2004, 11:51 PM
IT was a good episode. I think the Genii would be far more menacing than the Wraith-what if they somehow form an alliance? Scary.
Spoiler: THey are going to get us bad later on in "The Storm" how the hell are we going to get out of that oneI wish MCkay would shut the hell up in this episode! He was so wrapped up in his bragging he wasnt thinking of the consequences of sharing info with them and being forced to help them advance. Most likely they are going to take any technology we have with out asking just like typical doublecrossing son of a bitches for their own causes-they are really dangerous-bravo to sga for developing good baddies here!
| QUOTE (Drizzt's Syn @ Aug 28th 2004, 2:40 PM) |
| Colm Meaney, woohoo! Fun episode, although IMO there's been too many early industrial civilizations lately...Getting a bit boring... I imagine Tori Higginson didn't expect such a small role...she started as the main character, sheesh! Wouldn't be surprised if she pulled a "Tasha Yar"... |
Who's that? (stargate is the only scifi show I know)
| QUOTE | ||
This is way off topic, but every time you refer to them as the "A-Team" I get this image in my head: |
Posted by: Reignfire Aug 29th 2004, 12:18 AM
| QUOTE (1969 @ Aug 28th 2004, 11:51 PM) |
| Hey isnt the one at the top the leader in The Gamekeeper? |
It does kind of look like him, but the Gamekeeper was Dwight Schultz who played Lt. Reginald Broccoli er... Barclay
in Star Trek: The Next Generation and Voyager
Posted by: Mental Case Aug 29th 2004, 1:05 AM
What the hell was with that thing where they let Teyla try save those people, I mean sure it is noble to save those people but seriously, those other people were right, if they go busting them out of the caccoons they might draw attention to themselves and who knows, maybe even wake up another ship. Besides, if they take them away from that ship, what will the wraith do? they'll just go and get some more people! so whats the point? you save one or a few lives and condemn a few more.
I realise they wouldn't have in the process told anyone about there being more to feed on so probably they would have little reason to wake up, but they are sneaking about on a ship which is bound to have some keepers there, if they go trying to save more than the one they would probably bring too much attention to themselves and there could be consequences.
I also am beggining to dislike the weir conversations where sheppard is trying to get authorization for things, its getting repetitive. What happens is sheppard comes along every time, when they've done something, and weirs like "what!?!" and eventually, she'll back down and let him do it.. its like, whats the point?
I guess what I have most against that is the fact she seems so agitated and whines about things, I'm more used to more emotionless leaders who will just take things into consideration and perhaps calmly offer a few counter discussions or look slightly angry if things have gone really bad and then give the go usually. Weir though, she gets agitated and it always seems like she wants to do one thing but does the other just because they bossed her into it, I guess that is her character in a way now but if shes some great negotiator, wouldn't she be less weak character-wise?
I guess some of my statements here are unfair, but its how I feel about it right now. I remember thinking "idiots!" on more than just that hostage situation.
Oh one last thing, I don't like that moonshine scene thing, I mean firstly how he said it seemed a bit unconvincing, I suppose it'd do though, but it didn't have the same atmosphere of the similar themed scene scene from the sg1 ep children of the gods, so I don't think it shoulda been there.
So overall, I think I didn't like this EP much. I think this is because of the whole plausability of a lot of the story and in part the acting, scripting and camera work let it down a bit. It just seemed strange to me that they would give C4 to help clear tree stumps, and there were other things I didn't like.
However it was not a complete and utter failure of an EP in my opinion, there were some times I enjoyed, like the whole science fair a-bomb stuff, and a lot of it was ok. Oh it was nice to get a number on ships too (even if they aren't entirely sure).
Posted by: Ehzarhorden Aug 29th 2004, 1:16 AM
| QUOTE (Reignfire @ Aug 29th 2004, 12:18 AM) |
| It does kind of look like him, but the Gamekeeper was Dwight Schultz who played Lt. Reginald Broccoli er... Barclay in Star Trek: The Next Generation and Voyager |
Dwight Schultz also played Murdock on The A-Team (in the leather jacket in that pic)
Posted by: Lord_Yu Aug 29th 2004, 1:23 AM
Funniest quote in that ep:
| QUOTE ("McAy") |
| You know, if you people could just learn to keep their secret underground hatches locked. |
Posted by: Reignfire Aug 29th 2004, 1:49 AM
| QUOTE (Ehzarhorden @ Aug 29th 2004, 1:16 AM) |
| Dwight Schultz also played Murdock on The A-Team (in the leather jacket in that pic) |
Oh, my bad. I didn't realize it was actually him, I thought it was someone who just looked like him.
Posted by: 1969 Aug 29th 2004, 1:56 AM
You know it was both of the Genii and our faults for alerting the wraith to our presence. First MCkay is tampering with a biosystem and they prob will know someones tampering with something. ANd then the idiot preventing Teyla from helping the guy-but she wouldnt have been any better-shot the guy and that alerted them to a change their food supply. So we both f*ucked up and didnt want to admith to it. Hey, they were just bitter that they had casualties and we didint which made them angry and added salt to the wound of us accidentally waking the wraith and destroying their plan.....wooopsey! 
Posted by: spacemonster Aug 29th 2004, 2:06 AM
I liked this episode, loved the way it went from amish to nazis to wraith some kooky connections there. Thought it was kind of stupid of McKay to let out all those atom bomb building pointers, its never a good thing to set those things off, besides the Wraith have that strange biology what if a few survived and the radiation turned them into super mutant wraiths or something. Anyway looking for to the next episode it looks like it will be good.
Posted by: Drizzt's Syn Aug 29th 2004, 9:53 AM
| QUOTE (1969 @ Aug 28th 2004, 11:51 PM) | ||
Who's that? (stargate is the only scifi show I know) |
She (Denise Crosby) was part of Star Trek: The Next Generation but already left during the first season. She wanted to leave the show IIRC and the writers had her killed off by some black blob. (Hey, maybe that energy being they trapped could do the job!
) As the others here mentioned she reappeared later as her own alternate reality daughter
Posted by: Gunfighter Aug 29th 2004, 11:44 AM
Ooohh. I'm sorry I made you see that. From now on, I shall call Sheppard's squad the "Gate team" (seeing as how they're the only ones to consistently use the stargate.)
Posted by: ted_simple Aug 29th 2004, 5:19 PM
Now that Odo and Miles O'Brian have hosted underground dinners w/chandeliers or candles, I wonder who will be next... 
Edit: This is a Star Trek joke. They both were main characters on Deep Space Nine and guest characters on SG1 and Atlantis.
Posted by: Superman07 Aug 29th 2004, 7:47 PM
Okay, bitch needs to die. "Oh, we must save them all." Oh wait, you just got shot and I'm holier than thou since you wouldn't save anybody - I'm gonna run away and leave you to die.
I understand that she has "connections" in the area (although she seems to have a hell of a lot of them if you ask me for a simple culture), but she needs to get the boot to the mainland and show up, if, 3 times a season.
I like the show and a lot of the interactions, but the more I actually think about it something isn't right - if Weir goes on missions then there is nobody to run the day to day operations on the base, and if stupid girl goes away, who's to be the fourth?
Ah yes, good episode even though it did have some flaws.
Posted by: stargatefreak Aug 30th 2004, 4:38 PM
I have to say I really enjoyed this ep. The humor between McKay and Sheppard is really great.
It was funny when McKay started bragging about being questioned by the CIA for four hours. He seemed so proud of the fact.
I think that Ford's character needs to be developed a lot more. Tayla's also. Sheppard and McKay seem to get the spotlight all the time.
Speaking of character development, What is going on with Weir??? She's like this leader who doesn't lead. She really needs to start taking charge and maybe tell Sheppard "no" once in a while.
All in all, good episode, I can't wait to see how the Gennii play into later episodes.
Posted by: Azrael Tepes Aug 31st 2004, 1:15 PM
I agree. They wrote Wier and the character's presence in SG-1 was someone who was very stuck to her guns. In Atlantis she's more of a wet paper towel......or a pliable noodle of some sort.
Posted by: CitizenK Aug 31st 2004, 9:39 PM
Oh, boy... ! It was great to see Colm Meaney again. He was wonderful as always. it just goes to show you what a real actor with chops can do. I hope we get to see him again in a future ep with the Genii.
This was a really good episode. There was a lot of suspence and tension. Here's something I noticed similar with this episode and Poisoning the Well i.e. a seemingly unsophicated society has developed technology that can defeat the Wraith. Specifically, the Haulin (sp ?) developed that serum and the Genii developed that device that could hack into the Wraith computer systems. That was some pretty savvy computer detective work if you ask me. Especially for a society still having problems refine weapons grade Uranium. You think if they could have solved one problem, they could have solved the other. The physics of the atom bomb was developed long before the computer at least here on earth.
So, is this a standard plot device for Atlantis ? What seems to be an unsophicated culture really does have the means to defeat the Wraith ? sure looks that way.
I love Mckay, but he was getting on my nerves in this ep. I guess 11 cups of coffee a day could do that to a person. But, all I wanted to do was shout out SHUT UP to him as he started to brag about how much he knew about atomic bombs to Cowan. Have to say that the comments about his high school chess club and science fair project was pretty funny. But gee, don't give away all your secrets. That's why I liked Sheppard. He seemed to really understand how these people worked and how to negotiate with them or rather how to blackmail them. That's what he did. He found their weak point and he exploited it. I wouldn't have done it any differently.
So, Major Sheppard is starting to grow on me. I still don't like the hair. Sorry, but it still looks like someone took a weed whacker to it. Would it kill him to drag a comb through that mess before they leave Atlantis on a mission ? Sorta scary when Teyla has a better coif than he does.
The writers have to do something with Lt Ford. I like him, but he's reminding me way too much of Lt Meriweather on Enterprize. They are almost the same character. You know, smart idealistic young officer eager to learn from his superiors.
oh, and I didn't like Weir's put down of Ford. That wasn't necessary.
I really did like the "look" of the science department of the underground bunker. That was a nice bit of scenery. Loved all the different TVs and Tesla coils all over the set. cool.
Wraiths.... well, I wasn't surprized that there was a sacrifice at the end when the team entered the ship. How could they not know that they would have woken up one of "Steve's" cousins ??? But, did enjoy the standoff between Sheppard and Cowan.
I think this is one of the best episodes so far... really well done.
Oh, did notice how the Stargate/SGA costume designers seem to enjoy having a militaristic, proto-fascist feel to the uniforms. Stargate did it in Icon and now SGA did it.
Posted by: Rancid Monkey Sep 1st 2004, 4:11 AM
anyone else notice colm meaney's line about once being a "great confederation of planets"? wonder where they got that idea from... little nod to star trek from the script writers methinks
(for those with no idea what im talking about... the main dudes in star trek were the "united federation of planets", and colm meaney starred in two series of star trek)
Posted by: Rancid Monkey Sep 1st 2004, 4:22 AM
oh yeah...and wtf were those cucoon things made out of? cause when the guy woke up and started whining he punched right thru the 'bars' on the front of his little cucoon...this after many (probably a few hundred) years in stasis (or whatever) for his muscles to attrophy
pretty crappy cucoons imho if they dont (a) keep their occupants incapacitated and (b) keep them restrained if they do wake up... wonder if thats what they make their ships out of? (and hence why sheppard was able to shoot one down with an m249 in 'rising')
Posted by: Raicho Sep 1st 2004, 9:44 AM
| QUOTE (Rancid Monkey @ Sep 1st 2004, 4:22 AM) |
| oh yeah...and wtf were those cucoon things made out of? cause when the guy woke up and started whining he punched right thru the 'bars' on the front of his little cucoon...this after many (probably a few hundred) years in stasis (or whatever) for his muscles to attrophy pretty crappy cucoons imho if they dont (a) keep their occupants incapacitated and ( keep them restrained if they do wake up... wonder if thats what they make their ships out of? (and hence why sheppard was able to shoot one down with an m249 in 'rising') |
The cheesy motioning of the sub machine gun as it fired "bullets" was pretty obvious but all in all I liked the episode. For all the times the SGC wanted technology from other races, but were not willing to give their own out this episode turned the tables with McKay spouting all the info on atom bombs.
Posted by: Gunfighter Sep 1st 2004, 6:02 PM
| QUOTE (Rancid Monkey @ Sep 1st 2004, 4:22 AM) |
| pretty crappy cucoons imho if they dont (a) keep their occupants incapacitated and ( keep them restrained if they do wake up... wonder if thats what they make their ships out of? (and hence why sheppard was able to shoot one down with an m249 in 'rising') |
Yeah, I noticed the coccoon (sp?) thing as well. After I thought about it, I figured that the victim may have been woken up through a fluke (after all, shiite happens), kinda like how O'Neil and some Major woke up during the invasion of the body snatchers (when the signal was interrupted by the jet engine noise). After that, he'd probably been working on his restraints for a while. Also, I imagine that the bonding material probably loses some quality with age. Besides, if you're the Wraith that's gonna eat him, do you really want to spend ten minutes unlocking the fridge so you can have a snack? Really, though, I doubt the support people really thought that deeply into it.
Concerning ol' Shep downing the Wraith fighter, he wasn't using an M249 (I think). If memory serves, it was an M60E3, which packs quite a bit more punch and penetrating capability. In real life, as long as the fighter doesn't have shields, I wouldn't doubt that the M60 is powerful enough to destroy the thing, but I would highly doubt Sheppard's ability to hit it- those little buggers were moving fast. Especially as he was standing up, not resting the gun on anything, and firing continuously instead of short, controlled bursts. The real reason that ship exploded is that the producers needed a hero.
EDIT: It seems I've just been drafted (post count). I guess I'm a Stargate nerd.
Posted by: IndyJan Sep 1st 2004, 6:53 PM
This episode was better than the ones before. I think the Genii could end up being more of a problem than the Wraith.
Like others, I have not been impressed with Weir. If she's supposed to be Hammond from SG1, she's not doing a good job. hammond always questioned what SG1 did, but left it up to them to do their job. He prevented them from going back when he felt they were compromised. He prevented them from leaving SGC if they were infected. Weir doesn't do this. She just says, "no, and then relents." She's not letting her people do their jobs, IMO.
Love McKay and Sheppard though!
Posted by: StillLoveJeffWebber Sep 1st 2004, 8:21 PM
| QUOTE (Drizzt's Syn @ Aug 29th 2004, 9:53 AM) | ||||
She (Denise Crosby) was part of Star Trek: The Next Generation but already left during the first season. She wanted to leave the show IIRC and the writers had her killed off by some black blob. |
Skin of Evil...one of my favorite eps.
Posted by: StillLoveJeffWebber Sep 1st 2004, 8:28 PM
| QUOTE (Ehzarhorden @ Aug 29th 2004, 1:16 AM) |
| Dwight Schultz also played Murdock on The A-Team (in the leather jacket in that pic) |
| QUOTE |
| Oh, my bad.? I didn't realize it was actually him, I thought it was someone who just looked like him. |
Posted by: StillLoveJeffWebber Sep 1st 2004, 8:37 PM
| QUOTE (Rancid Monkey @ Sep 1st 2004, 4:22 AM) |
| pretty crappy cucoons imho |
| QUOTE (Gunfighter @ Sep 1st 2004, 6:02 PM) |
| Yeah, I noticed the coccoon (sp?) |
For the record it's cocoon - and yes - remarkably low tech for a species that rivalled the ancients...
Posted by: CitizenK Sep 2nd 2004, 7:31 AM
As a couple other people have noted, the cocoon the Wraith's used was alot like the cocoons that spiders wrap their victims in. That's not a bad idea. They said during the episode that those beings were being held in stasis for later feedings. But, if TPTBs are trying to mimic spider behavior, then... the Wraiths could have incapacitated the person with some sort of chemical that would immobilize them. Then, it seems they wrap them in that web like substance.
Also, this isn't the first time this has been used as a device to "capture" potential lunch or a host. This is how the Aliens in the Alien movie franchise held their victims too. This wasn't an orginal idea on SGA's part.
But, it does bring up a shiney new Wraith question... How do they deliver those webs to cocoon their victims ? I know how spiders do it. So, here's one more thing to add to the list of Wraith biology questions.
Posted by: Rancid Monkey Sep 2nd 2004, 8:31 AM
my bad, it was an m60e3
been playing too much CS 
as for shep blasting the dart (funny how the genii called it a dart aswell...), an AP round would probably go thru the hull of a dart (it didnt look that thick on the crashed one in rising), but the genii said something to the extent that shooting down a dart was really hard for them, and their weapons were quite similar to ours (maybe they were just crap shots...or they were really peashooters in disguise) so maybe its made of some super-funky-ultra-strong alloy? in that case how did shep blast it? and if its not, the genii "expert marksmen" must suck hardcore...maybe they went to shooting school the same place as stormtroopers
(for some reason i'm reminded of that line in 'the league of extraodinary gentlemen" where sean connery is talking about shooting: "Oh, I saw...Very American. Fire enough bullets and hope they hit the target!")
as for the cocoon (nya-nya i got it right damn spelling nazis), it looked like a mini-prison, which i would assume has an easy way to open it...
| QUOTE |
| the Wraiths could have incapacitated the person with some sort of chemical that would immobilize them |
more likely they would just shoot them with their stunners (if they manage to hit anything firing from the hip cowboy style the way they do...reminds me of the discussion about staff weapons in 'the warrior' about intimidation over practicality; perhaps the intergalactic syndicate of evil empires could get together and design a weapon that has a snowball's chance in hell of hitting the broad side of a barn and teach their evil minions how to aim? shep had the right idea in 'suspicion', fire it like a bazooka)
/rant
Posted by: Gunfighter Sep 7th 2004, 8:42 PM
| QUOTE (Rancid Monkey @ Sep 2nd 2004, 8:31 AM) |
| ...the genii said something to the extent that shooting down a dart was really hard for them, and their weapons were quite similar to ours (maybe they were just crap shots)... the genii "expert marksmen" must suck hardcore... |
Oh, I dunno... now that I think about it, I didn't see any sights on the Genni guns.
Unfortunately, gateworld doesn't seem to have any relevant pics... can anybody get us a close-up of the Genni SMGs?
Posted by: taujin Sep 11th 2004, 1:36 AM
| QUOTE (spacemonster @ Aug 29th 2004, 2:06 AM) |
| I liked this episode, loved the way it went from amish to nazis to wraith some kooky connections there. |
I wish the costume designers would come up with some other uniforms that didn't look Nazi. On Stargate SG-1 Episode 806 - Icon, the alien planet also had Nazi-looking uniforms...
| QUOTE (spacemonster @ Aug 29th 2004, 2:06 AM) |
| I thought it was kind of stupid of McKay to let out all those atom bomb building pointers, its never a good thing to set those things off, ... |
Yes, that seemed rather odd to me as well. Common sense would dictate that you would need to re-establish trust with the Genii (who have already fooled the SG team once with their Amish facade) before you give them any technology that could wipe out entire civilizations.
| QUOTE (CitizenK @ Aug 31st 2004, 9:39 PM ) |
| ... the Genii developed that device that could hack into the Wraith computer systems. That was some pretty savvy computer detective work if you ask me. Especially for a society still having problems refine weapons grade Uranium. |
I wondered about that, too. How could the Genii decode and display the Wraith's database when the Genii are still using CRT tubes? The display resolution would be grossly inadequate.
My favorite scene was the ending part when Sheppard revealed that he had also mis-led and mis-trusted the Genii and proceeded to uncloak 2 more PJs. Sure, this scene was stolen from Star Trek Enterprise (when Pickard uncloaked 2 Klingon Warbirds to confront 2 Romulan Birds of Prey), but I just love it when the good guys have a card up their sleeves.
TauJin
Posted by: Christy Sep 16th 2004, 4:24 AM
I can't really say that i enjoyed this episode, i judt couldn't really get into i for some reason and i got called away not even half way through it so i cant say i've watched it all...and i can't make a fair judgement but i think that from what i saw of it...there have been a couple of good episodes so far but none of them have really popped out at me.
Posted by: Cuokuo Oct 27th 2004, 11:11 PM
ok, If i presume that the ancients were the ones that built this em shield (assumption made because it is powered by a em field), then why didnt they build one in every city such that they had a bunker in which they could 'hide' when the wraith come??
Sorry, i just still find it hard to believe that the ancients can be beaten by the wraith despite their technological advantage
Posted by: ali Dec 1st 2004, 4:15 PM
Good episode. I liked the bits between Mckay and Sheppard especially- the line about Mckay wanting to get his fair share of coffee before it runs out, so he drinks 11 cups a day
I didn't think the Genii were a very 'formidable' race to have as an enemy though. Mckay said they were about 60 years behind us technology-wise, so we've obviously got better weapons to defend ourselves with.
And I don't know why, but the Wraith really do scare me. When they were going around the Wraith facility I was actually pretty scared...and who else jumped when that arm came out of the wall? 
I'd say quite a good episode overall..I think they should have a really dark episode though, like Stargate sometimes has, where someone gets captured and tortured..not that I'm morbid or anything.
Posted by: invisible painting Dec 1st 2004, 8:36 PM
| QUOTE |
| and who else jumped when that arm came out of the wall? |
Ummm......................................................................................................
Atlantis is getting repetitive!! I dont like taht fact, all there doing now is going out and meeting a new culture and theres something different about them, theyve done taht for 3 episodes in a row now!! But itll change next week i believe, itd better do.
6/10
Posted by: Dafmeister Dec 2nd 2004, 12:11 PM
| QUOTE (ali @ Dec 1st 2004, 10:15 PM) |
| ...and who else jumped when that arm came out of the wall? |
My mam did.
Wasnt impressed with this episode. I dont know what it was but it just didnt get my full attention. I wasnt really interested in this episode. The pressure of writing two shows is now starting to show on Atlantis. The last few epsiodes havent been very good.
Off topic: In all honesty i look forward to monday nights now when Battlestar Galactica airs. Yes its only an hour but the stories are amazing along with the acting. Sitting through 2 hours of SG1 and Atlantis gets me bored now. I was easily distracted when watching Atlantis on tuesday.
Posted by: stargatesweetie Dec 2nd 2004, 12:31 PM
| QUOTE (Dafmeister @ Dec 2nd 2004, 12:11 PM) |
| My mam did. Wasnt impressed with this episode. I dont know what it was but it just didnt get my full attention. I wasnt really interested in this episode. ........ Off topic: In all honesty i look forward to monday nights now when Battlestar Galactica airs. Yes its only an hour but the stories are amazing along with the acting. Sitting through 2 hours of SG1 and Atlantis gets me bored now. I was easily distracted when watching Atlantis on tuesday. |
I did!
I also agree with Dafmeister about not being able to get into the episode. I don't know if it is down to the pressure of producing 2 shows simultaneously but the stories on Atlantis seem to be pretty much hit and miss upto now. The episodes in themselves are not particulary bad, just not "exciting". I always used to really look forward to watching Stargate but I have not developed that sort of "anticipation" for Atlantis- it does not help that I think the Wraith are rubbish- a very big anti-climax.
Back to the episode, Chief O'Brien played his brooding part pretty well and I can understand why everyone is pretty narked at the SG team for re-awakening the Wraith but to try and steal the PJ etc ..it just seemed too convenient to make the Genii "baddies"- will we ever make allies who have comparable levels of technology who want to "join" the battle against the Wraith?
A weak episode.
And as for the comment about BSG, it IS the highlight of the week now.(never thought I'd hear myself say that whilst SG was on
)
Posted by: 38 Minutes Dec 2nd 2004, 4:10 PM
Just saw the episode and I did jump a bit with my dad because we have the lights off in the room to get a better effect and the sound on high.
I dont know why but that episode made me hate the Genii alot and im sure we will be seeing them again soon.?
and also did they have to use C4 for blowing up the tree stumps, surely they would have some other cutting device (chainsaw), although I presume that the Atlantis people wouldnt of needed that.
Im surprised they didnt become allies,
Genii cant want another enemy? although there greed and jelousy for the SA weapons got in the way.
Posted by: Seshat Dec 3rd 2004, 9:23 AM
I liked this ep the whole Mcay and Shepard thing is really funny.
However I think the whole team looked a bit out of control in this one.......shepard was a bit in control but Mcay kept sayin stuff n then Teyla said all tht stuff n then Dr wier was all stressed n...we ll I don't know I'm just rambling now! but i guess wot I'm tryin to say is.....hang on what am i trying to say???
Emmax x x
Posted by: Krystian SG1 Dec 28th 2004, 10:56 PM
I just got one little nitpick that i didn't want to start a new topic about in the Nitpick section.
When McKay was coming back from the gate and had radiation readings on his little scanner, why did it lead him to the hatch. Wouldn't it lead him to a the area above where they where making the atomic bomb?
Posted by: nitesoul Dec 29th 2004, 12:36 AM
| QUOTE (Krystian SG1 @ Dec 28th 2004, 10:56 PM) |
| I just got one little nitpick that i didn't want to start a new topic about in the Nitpick section. When McKay was coming back from the gate and had radiation readings on his little scanner, why did it lead him to the hatch. Wouldn't it lead him to a the area above where they where making the atomic bomb? |
i thought he was just picking up energy readings and not radiation, but i could be wrong, i'll have to watch that again
but a possible explaination in either case is that since the whole underground facility is sheilded(to prevent the wriath from picking them up on scanners), the only place mckay could have picked up the readings is from the entrance hatch(someone goes in or out in a hurry and doesnt close it properly or whatever)
Posted by: Christy Dec 30th 2004, 7:24 AM
it was a weak episode and i think that they shared their information too readily and Sheppard shouldn't have told them as much as he did.
And them going on the wraith ship so quickly...i was suprised that they did that and all in one episode...it could have spanned two but it was nice how they fit it all in.
Posted by: BrandonTheGreat Jan 13th 2005, 9:39 PM
Yep, Atlantis's first enemy. I sometimes believe these guys are worse than the wraith. But anyways, the rest of it was good, seeing how advanced the Genii were compared to their counterparts on the land.
Posted by: frostychocolatemilkshakes Jan 25th 2005, 11:37 PM
Great EP!
OMG a human enemy! This should be good.
Apparently they come back in the episode "The Storm"
Hope to see more of the Genii
Posted by: Christy May 1st 2005, 3:58 AM
The genii seem to be weak and they're putting on a front...this is a race which has no real clue...they've battled the wraith so many times and they think that they can get into a wraith ship by themselves?
Not really liking this enemy
Posted by: Dafmeister May 3rd 2005, 4:18 AM
Not really liking this enemy
Hmm...an arrogant, egotistical, over confident enemy. Now where have seen that before.
The Genii are going to be around for a while IMO. The wirters cant keep the Wraith as the main enemy for long.
(Season 2 spoilers)
Hopfully the Genii will become the main enemy a few seasons down the road.
Posted by: Christy May 5th 2005, 7:09 AM
Dafmeister
It would be nice to see the Genii again.
But it's just that i liked Colm Meany (meanie?) a lot but it looks like he was only in those 2 episodes.
it would be good to have him back though.
Posted by: Dafmeister May 5th 2005, 10:25 AM
Posted by: Christy May 6th 2005, 10:15 AM
ah thankyou dafmeister.
im still wondering how the ancients brought human life forms to the pegasus galaxy.
i mean they're not ancients (the people) and normal people werent around.
Posted by: General Jen May 6th 2005, 7:04 PM
i liked this episode, it was really well done.
i don't know why they(mcay/Sheperd) gave away so much information before they even got to know the genii, mcay told them all they needed to know about how to build a working atomic bomb. 
i was good when mcay mentioned that he had built an atom bomb in the 6th grade and then was interegated by the CIA for 6 hours.
and when he said "what secret underground buncker?" 
i jumped when that arm sprung out of the cocoon and that guy was such a loser for not letting tayla help and an even bigger loser when he shot the man witch by the way made the wraith aware they were there and thats what he didnt want to happen.
i liked it when they came back through the gate and the genii point lots of guns at them and then sheperd tells the jumpers to take point and two decloak right above them and he says "you really didn't think we had just one did you?" that was great. 
looking forward to the next episode 'home'.
Posted by: Sighfienerd May 6th 2005, 9:13 PM
I wish they'd give Shepard some less cliched lines. Like when he said "I don't trust them as far as I can throw them" and when he answered "Same here" when Colm Meany said that the Genii wouldn't be a good enemy. 
That's just lazy writing. They shouldn't give ALL the good lines to McKay.
Posted by: Auntie Em! May 7th 2005, 1:47 AM
But McKay is Canadian!
Posted by: Sighfienerd May 7th 2005, 8:57 PM
That's true! And he does it so well. I heart him. But...poor little Shep - he can't get by completely on looks.
Posted by: Christy May 21st 2005, 9:02 PM
Mckay's been given the funny guy character.
I'm glad they changed mckay slightly when he came over from SG-1...he's more adorable now.
Shep has some good lines it's just that they're less noticeable and he's not meant to be funny....just adorable. Eye Candy.
Posted by: stargate_addict Aug 19th 2005, 11:52 PM
Yeah i really like Mackay even though he's a pain in the ass The new bad guys were like 40 yrs behind us and we have atlantis but they have more ppl and isnt that
Posted by: Lord Joe Aug 26th 2005, 4:17 AM
I didn't think the Genii were a very 'formidable' race to have as an enemy though.
I'm sure the Ancients said the same thing about the Wraith. The Genii have similar weapons and a much greater advantage in numbers they will be a problem in later seasons.
This episode along with The Seige and Rising was one of the highlights of Season 1 for me. An easy 8/10.
Colm Meany was in it, need I say more.
Posted by: Gotanks Jan 7th 2006, 3:52 PM
Overall this was a good episode, i loved the last part when Sheppard suprised them with the 2 extra jumpers.
Posted by: blackbelt83 Jan 30th 2006, 1:11 AM
I cant belive the transporter guy from startrek is still around. the genii Have A good Idea they just dont know what they are really up against
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