FRAGILE BALANCE
Story line: Jack O'Neill disappears from his bedroom - and in his place is Young Jack, a teenage boy who claims to be the real Colonel O'Neill, only 30 years younger.
[Young Jack] A cute teenage boy, 18 to play 14 to 18, there's something familiar about him; he closely resembles a teenage version of Colonel Jack O'Neill (Richard Dean Anderson). Gruff, irritable, sardonic, and testy, a young man with a big attitude. Young Jack claims that in fact he is Colonel O'Neill - that he woke up this morning looking thiry years younger and expects Stargate's team to do something about it. Profoundly annoyed to be treated dismissively simply because he looks like a kid. Young Jack has the DNA of Jack O'Neill and the irritating assertiveness to go with it. Intent on reclaiming his status as a veteran warrior, Young Jack succeeds largely in amusing the Stargate team - until they learn that he is dying. In fact, Young Jack is a clone of the real O'Neill, who has been abducted by aliens from Asgard. With O'Neill's memories downloaded into his mind, Young Jack has been born ready to kick butt and take names - if he can live long enough for his zits to clear up ... LEAD (2)
#thanks to 'kat' for that info
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New information:
Apparently a teenage boy turns up at the SGC, in Jack's clothes, claiming to be Jack O'Neill. Nobody of course recognizes him, not even the once-again human Daniel (who doesn't remember everything). Also, the SGC team interviews alien abductees (the kind Mulder was always running across in X-Files). Jack Jr is his usual sarcastic self. And it seems that Jack Jr's lifespan is limited (as stated above).
#thanks to 'ferret' for the additional info.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sg1_spoilme
Either Thor has developed a sense of humor or this is where we meet Loki
will someone please explain the whole loki deal to me?
i thought it was just something along the lines of the asguard wanting to clone humans (and obviously still working on it) in order to help themselves with the replicators in the future. Maybe they're getting abit embaressed about constantly running to get some help from little chimp people whole the look down on cause the seem to like killing each other.
| QUOTE (Johnny_Park @ Mar 22 2003, 08:51 PM) |
| will someone please explain the whole Loki deal to me? |
In Norse Mythology Loki wasn't an evil god - he was the god of mischif who turned bad.
"He is a son of the giant Farbauti ("cruel striker") and the giantess Laufey. He is regarded as one of Aesir, but is on occasion their enemy. He is connected with fire and magic, and can assume many different shapes (horse, falcon, fly). He is crafty and malicious, but is also heroic: in that aspect he can be compared with the trickster from North American myths. The ambivalent god grows progressively more unpleasent, and is directly responsible for the death of Balder, the god of light.
Loki's mistress is the giantess Angrboda, and with her he is the father of three monsters. His wife is Sigyn, who stayed loyal to him, even when the gods punished him for the death of Balder. He was chained to three large boulders; one under his shoulders, one under his loins (that's gotta hurt) and one under his knees. A poisonous snake was placed above his head. (Think snakehead here...) The dripping venom that lands on him is caught by Sigyn in a bowl. But every now and then, when the bowl is filled to the brim, she has to leave him to empty it. Then the poison that falls on Loki's face makes him twist in pain, causing earthquakes.
On the day of Ragnarok, Loki's chains will break and he will lead the giants into battle against the gods. Loki is often called the Sly One, the Trickster, the Shape Changer, and the Sky Traveler."
So my guess is that he's been controlled by a Gou'ald, got free (remember they were able to remove Klorell from Ska'ra) and is intent upon leading an army of clones against the replicators.... or the remaining asgard.... who knows.
Interesting element that the clone has a limited life span...I remember reading in the early days of cloning animals that if you cloned, say, a five year old sheep, then that's what you got when it reached maturity... a sheep with the insides of a five year old....you literally got an exact replica of the original....
actually the cloned thing is to do with the telomere on the end of the chromosome... this an extra bit of a repeat DNA sequence at the end of the chromosome which to all intensive purposes is completely useless. It's there because as a cell replicates and DNA is copied, the end of the chromosome has a tendancy to be lost a few bases at a time, so eventually after many many years you get to the end of this region and start losing bases from the actual genes... and things start going wrong.
What happens in cloning is if you clone a 3 year old sheep which can live up to 9 years, your clone will already have lost 3 years worth of nucleotide bases, so when it gets to 6 years old its effectively 9 years old... so it will suffer premature aging.
Well case in point is Dolly the sheep who had to be put down recently cos of advanced arthritis I think? I bet young Jack's knees are going to be a bit dodgy.
Here is the whole Loki thing.
I just like to bring it up to annoy people.
Annubis was originally thought to be Loki............
When ever something unexplained happened I would blame it on Loki.....a practical Joker who is a god ( or in this case a theoretical renegade Asgard) hard to catch.
Will Carter finally get to give Jack a little kiss and hug?
I can just amagine what line Jack will say for Cater to believe him. (Remember on PYX### when you and I did
)He will have to say to Daniel when Baal had him, but then Daniel can't remember.Teal'c he will have to say something back in 1969 I would think, but there are so many things that Jack and Teal'c did, anyone will do.This one will be very interesting.
Could this have something to do with those nanobots that prematurely aged O'neill in the first season (brief candle I think)???
I read an article about Michael's return and he said he was really enjoy to be on sg-1 team again. He said about "fragile balance" that it was funny to see Jack beeing caricatured by a youngest Jack. Once you are beggining to be carricatured, it's because it's big. The show, the person, it's all big.
Again about MIke, he found it was strange to have less of Jack, he find that something was missing. But at least, the characters will have more interactions and stories about them. I'm looking forward to it.
Wow....Tom Hanks' "Big" meets Sci-Fi.... interesting indeed.
Oh yea, I can see Anubis' face now....
"This is O'Neill, the one who slain Ra, Apophis, Kronos, etc. He isn't old enough to even carry a larve."
Yep, way to help defend the Earth, Thor. I thought the asgard were trying to clone cows (I.e. crop circles, and Roswell). I guess they got a little ambitious. Where's that damn hammer when you need it...so I can WHOMP you on you big HONKIN' head!!!!
Maybe now Carter will give Jack some play....one can dream can't they?
| QUOTE (ColonielJackO'NeillRocks @ Apr 19 2003, 10:43 AM) |
| Maybe now Carter will give Jack some play....one can dream can't they? |
Gateworld has some more info and has added some photos for this episode on http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s7/703.shtml.
However, I tend to think that this shot is not actually from the episode...
Yuk Yuk....Doing the Charlies Angels Thang...
lol, thats good but is it me or does daniel look lost in that pic!, kidda like saying who r these weird people and what am i doing here!
Nice to see Amanda Tapping grow that hair out a bit. That "In Between Hair" thing is just not happening.
| QUOTE (Behenna @ May 8 2003, 06:18 AM) |
| lol, thats good but is it me or does daniel look lost in that pic!, kidda like saying who r these weird people and what am i doing here! |
| QUOTE (LadyLuna @ Mar 22 2003, 06:41 PM) |
| On the day of Ragnarok, Loki's chains will break and he will lead the giants into battle against the gods. Loki is often called the Sly One, the Trickster, the Shape Changer, and the Sky Traveler." So my guess is that he's been controlled by a Gou'ald, got free (remember they were able to remove Klorell from Ska'ra) and is intent upon leading an army of clones against the replicators.... or the remaining asgard.... who knows. |
| QUOTE (Arcady @ May 8 2003, 02:16 AM) |
| Gateworld has some more info and has added some photos for this episode on http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s7/703.shtml. However, I tend to think that this shot is not actually from the episode... |
Flipped through the pics on the site.. can't wait... looks like everyone has been eating good since season 6, lol... our heroes are showing signs of old age but I still love 'em hands down..
yes, carter and teal'c do look as if they're enjoying the traditional american food jonus was talking about in nightwalkers/crawlers (whichever it is) abit too much.
They do look like their having fun. The asguard set looks wicked, gotta luv them lil' grey dudes!
It must have been really hard trying to find an actor to play Young Jack because of all of us obsessed peeps!
well is Eps should be bad one because of young jack wow they could do better than is
Doesn't Daniel look constipated in that "Charlie's Angel's" pose? I mean Christopher Judge and Amanda Tapping look real professional and (dareIsayit) "glamorous"? (Sorry if I'm insulting any macho CJ fans out there)- I actually like Daniel's pose the best- even if he is constipated...
So does that make RDA "Charlie" or does Thor suit that role better?
I got it. RDA can be "Bosley" and Thor- with that "sexy" voice can be "Charlie"!!! *SPIN-OFF SERIES moment.*
I haven't seen this episode yet - in Canada and stuck with basic cable
- but I think it would be a lot of fun to have an episode where all the SG-1 members are kids. Can you imagine Teal'c as a kid???
noones seen this ep yet! they ant started 2 show season 7 anywhere yet!
| QUOTE (Blue Base @ Jun 2 2003, 02:13 PM) |
| Can you imagine Teal'c as a kid??? |
| QUOTE (Tanwen O'Neill @ May 27 2003, 12:33 PM) |
| They do look like their having fun. The asguard set looks wicked, gotta luv them lil' grey dudes! It must have been really hard trying to find an actor to play Young Jack because of all of us obsessed peeps! |
Hey, from the looks of the photos at gateworld it looks like this episode will show those asgard in all their human abducting glory. hmmmm. I wonder if Heimdall is in this one?
There's a clip of this on one of the trailers somewhere.
"I woke up this moringing, I havent had a coffee, let alone a pee in 7days and then I found out you stole my ass and made a mini me"
Im wondering slightly about the 'stole my ass' thingy, is it just jack being jack, or is it a bit ore literal?!?!?!
I have a theory that Loki was the first Gould to infect an Asgard, I will even apply this in my Stargate Fic where a member of SG-1 get's infected by Loki. SG-1 is bigger.
Rock on... Nice to see that the Asgaurd are in the mix of things. ![]()
http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s7/graphics/703_29.shtml
Personnally i can't wait for this next episode. Every Asgard ep is sweet, i just love those little grey men. The last time Thor appeared (Season Six's Disclosure) i got a a warm feeling inside.
Senator Kinsey: "Listen Commander"
Thor: *points* "Supreme Commander"
Woot Woot go Thor, you tell that moronic government offical. And as far as Loki being a Goa'uld inside an Asgard, I really wanna know what that voice would sound like, because the Goa'uld sounded different with the Unas. Both the Goa'uld and Asgard have sweet sounding voices i wanna see what weird combination of the two is come up with.
Episode was an instant favorite for me.. right up there with "window of opportunity". My hat goes off to Odinisthor'sdad, for calling out Loki as the new Asgard we were going to meet in this ep the minute he caught the first tidbits on what this episodes plot would contain.. the man knows his mythology. On another note, the asgard are starting to look to much alike... Thor should have a hat, lol.. what ever happened to those cool 60's style gold rope chains they were sporting in ep. Red Sky, lol..
I loved the scene with Thor and Loki it was kinda like....
"What did you do now Loki?"
"But Mom....."
I enjoyed it too. I was amazed by how good "duplicate" O'Neill was in portraying the "bigger" O'Neill- especially that whole, "Hot chocolate? Are you kidding?"
I kinda wished that they would stay in contact though. Wouldn't duplicate O'Neill miss hanging with his team-mates and finding out about the progress in the fight against the Gouald? ![]()
I also loved that whole,
"Are you conducting some sort of scientific experiment O'Neill"
from Teal'c... Hella funny!
| QUOTE (SG1nut @ Jun 22 2003, 08:20 PM) |
| I enjoyed it too. I was amazed by how good "duplicate" O'Neill was in portraying the "bigger" O'Neill- especially that whole, "Hot chocolate? Are you kidding?" I kinda wished that they would stay in contact though. Wouldn't duplicate O'Neill miss hanging with his team-mates and finding out about the progress in the fight against the Gouald? I also loved that whole, "Are you conducting some sort of scientific experiment O'Neill" from Teal'c... Hella funny! |
Oh, and another thing. I was just watching it again... (As ya do, when its a good ep,) and I suddenly came to the conclusion that perhaps the missing link that the asgard were looking for was not Jack O'Neill- but Jonas Quinn?![]()
After all Nirrti did inform him that his evolution was far more advanced than any normal human being in "Metamorphosis"... So perhaps their paths will cross in the future and the asgard will realise that he is "the one."
Jus an idea of course.
| QUOTE (BigBlueBuddha @ Jun 21 2003, 09:57 PM) |
| My hat goes off to Odinisthor'sdad, for calling out Loki as the new Asgard we were going to meet in this ep the minute he caught the first tidbits on what this episodes plot would contain.. the man knows his mythology. |
| QUOTE (OdinisThor'sDad @ Jun 23 2003, 11:03 AM) | ||
Thank man...I'm glad you remembered so I can brag a bit. I knew that guy was going to show up at some time......but just so you don't think my head is to big.....I also thought Annubis was Loki the first time I saw him, remember. But they totally impictured Loki wrong...totally wrong. If I was a scientist and someone called me the god of trickery I would say "Screw you Jackson" He must of played a really funny joke if that has stuck with him for 1000s of years |
So can I brag now?
Later after after seen this EP I told my girl "I hope they dont bring the young jack back in the spinoff" Oh god i hope not! Im sorry but the point of a spinoff is to start a new story with new people. Dont get me wrong Jack is cool but a kid acting like him. hhhmmm i dont think so. Dont mind me im just thinking type out. lol
I think you are right Gataran. Its alright when you have O'neill acting that way, because he is older. But when it comes from a kid clone it seemed to go too far sometimes.
Did anyone notice the magazine that little jack was reading before Loki beamed him up? He must have got it from Jack's collection, makes you wonder what Jack does on his time off.
| QUOTE (BigBlueBuddha @ Jun 23 2003, 08:59 AM) | ||
I agree... they should at least keep in contact via email, lol.. remember the seperation anxiety the replica SG-1 had when they found out they were not real either.. they took it ok at first but then lost thier minds... and subsequently thier heads later, lol.. |
| QUOTE (mithwriter @ Mar 22 2003, 10:56 PM) |
| Interesting element that the clone has a limited life span...I remember reading in the early days of cloning animals that if you cloned, say, a five year old sheep, then that's what you got when it reached maturity... a sheep with the insides of a five year old....you literally got an exact replica of the original.... |
I so can wait till this in on...I only have another hour and 4 mintues till Fragile balance is on sky one.
OH I can't wait.
I don't know what i would do if i didn't have sky cause channel 4 is so far behind its just not funny.
Only one hour and 2 mintues to go.
go asgard, go asgard
Just watched this episode and it was really quite good... more for the humour of the situation and Young Jack though as I thought the story wasn't as great as some have been.
My favourite bit was when he zatted Loki... I think that's the first time we've seen an Asgard be shot right? ... and the look on Loki's face when they mentioned contacting Thor - priceless. I just love it when their big black eyes widen ![]()
A couple of things I noticed that might be wrong, but they stood out for me were:
i) Was it me or were those things holding down Loki common cable ties? I take it they found them on the Asgard ship but they really did look like cable ties.
ii) When Daniel was talking about Loki in the third person one time he really seemed to emphasize the 'As' part of Asgard making it sound more like Assgard... I wonder if this was intentional so as to convey Daniel's annoyance or if it was just something I'm imagining.
I've just finshed watching it on sky and some of the bits were so funny...I'd have to agree with what was said earlier the asgard look so funny when they are shot.
The whole scenes with the two jacks were so funny.
The scenes with all the pilots were funny aswell what with Sam trying to keep control and the fight outside the rom...when jack came in and just took over.
The fact that mini-Jack kept trying to buy beer was so funny, and when Sam took a beer of him his face was just classic.
Maybe they took cable ties with them to try the asgaurd up when they got there. ![]()
Oh I just remembered this the way mini-jack had to keep pullling up his trousers was so Awwww.
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I really liked this episode. Always nice to meet a new Asgard I always say.
One thing that I'm wondering about is how many more Asgard that there might be out there - Odin. Forseti, Njord, Skadi, Baldr, Tyr, Bragi, Hel ?
And I think it would be nice if Thor, during some idol conversation, could thank the people of Earth for naming a day after him. It would be the courteous thing to do wouldn't it?
Yip I loved this ep - best so far!! That kid was brilliant at playing Jack, like I mentioned in another thread - it definitely made up for the lack of Jack in this episode. that kid deserves a mini oscar
heee hee - yeah the pulling up his trousers scene was well funny GREAT PIC - how cute!
| QUOTE (Commander-Thor @ Oct 13 2003, 10:13 PM) |
| I really liked this episode. Always nice to meet a new Asgard I always say. One thing that I'm wondering about is how many more Asgard that there might be out there - Odin. Forseti, Njord, Skadi, Baldr, Tyr, Bragi, Hel ? And I think it would be nice if Thor, during some idol conversation, could thank the people of Earth for naming a day after him. It would be the courteous thing to do wouldn't it? |
sorry if im wrong but
ok going on a limb here but since when did jack move house cos that certainatly the one maybourne and danny visit him in and if for sure aint his cabin.
| QUOTE (Khaki @ Oct 6 2003, 03:52 AM) |
| DNA in living creatures stays exactly the same from the time that they're concieved up until the time they die. Thats all there is to it. |
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