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Stargate Information Archive _ SG-1 Season 7 _ 705 - Revisions

Posted by: Arcady Jul 12th 2003, 3:56 PM

Season 7, Episode 5 - Revisions
Original Air Date: July 11, 2003

The SG-1 team encounters a planet with a society that has lived for centuries within a computer-controlled environment within a bubble. Outside, the rest of the world is a toxic wasteland.

Posted by: Raxor Jul 12th 2003, 4:05 PM

This episdode was a great episode and that the fact it is a stand alone. anyone new to stargate can pick up on the story on this episode. this could be good for people who have missed all the other season 7 eps. good one to start on i think.

One of the things that I noticed about this ep that kept it from being boring is that the people were contantly moving. Someone was always walking somewhere, though it was mostly Teal'c and Jack. Probably to compensate for their lack of function in this ep.

Also, another little tidbit of useful information is that whatever Teal'c is eating must be better than whatever Jack is eating.

Posted by: Marticus Jul 12th 2003, 4:20 PM

Yes, I liked it too. Nice to see them on a planet without the typical Earth type atmosphere. They should do that more often, IMO. Also, no shots fired in this one that I remember.

Posted by: Firefly Jul 12th 2003, 4:21 PM

Yeah, this was a pretty good episode. It's kinda weird to see something that doesn't have anything to do with the Goa'uld or any of the other aliens. And it was nice to see Sam Carter looking more like Sam Carter because they didn't put tons of make up on her.

And why didn't any of them say to that guy "Hey, you're the ashrak that killed Jolinar!"

I just wish that there was more to the ending. Some of these episodes end too quick. It leaves me with questions.

Posted by: Mike Jul 12th 2003, 4:36 PM

It seem to be missing that nice sense of humor that develops when our heros interact. The scene where Jack and Teal'c traded food got a chuckle out of me but other than that no wisecracks or jokes at all. The humor factor is one of those things I always look forward to when an episode airs.

A nice change from the battles we see.

Posted by: ramuund Jul 12th 2003, 5:02 PM

i can't wait to see this when it airs in september in england cos no matter how much i try or have a little patience i am unable to download which either means i am having a run of bad luck or im doin' something wrong- i think that's an easy one!!!!
also i have just scene the teaser for "lifeboat"-looks good!! rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Ares Jul 12th 2003, 5:36 PM

I also liked this one. It was kinda nice to have a break from the shooting and stuff. I wonder if they got any tech out of the guy who helped them at the end. We could use stuff like that here.

Posted by: RookiesRevenge Jul 12th 2003, 5:50 PM

I admit I didnt have high hopes for this ep, a similiar plot has been done before (Outer Limits), and the preview seemed to give away too much, but I liked it a lot since it had them exploring the unknown again. I knew the comp was doing population controll, but the real reason was a surprise to me, which was good. wink.gif

Posted by: Stargate SG-1 Bott Jul 12th 2003, 8:02 PM

i thought this episode was really good, at first i was like what the hells ganna happen which is good, i thought the sotryline was great too. Too ramuund im also from England and theres no way im waiting till September, so i d/l every new ep the day after it comes out in america. saturday i get them from IRC. around 600/700mb SVCD quality and watch em on the TV so its as if ive got american Sci-Fi channel biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif , im not sure if ur on a 56k connection but if u got BB. get em from www.ircspy.com. u gotta have mIRC tho.

Looking forward to Life Boat! rolleyes.gif . Respect to all the British Stargate Fans We Rule laugh.gif

Posted by: Virus0486 Jul 12th 2003, 8:19 PM

The episode was ok. I hope we will never live in a bubble. I saw something really odd during the last "update." While the whole crowd stood still getting all the info from the Link, there were these two guys in the back of the crowd looking around. Did they get all the info before everyone else or the were just off cue? It doesnt matter...just want to point that out....hehe online2long.gif

Posted by: netdragoon Jul 13th 2003, 12:39 AM

If you want the episodes the day they air or the day after, use kazaa lite. do not use kazaa! kazaa lite is the better version with no spyware, etc. and it functions the same(is also smaller). That's what i use. Oh yes, if you have trouble finding an episode, search like this: stargate SG1 705 (7 being the season and 05 being the episode) if that doesnt work, use the episode name. u get the idea.

Posted by: Madnez Jul 13th 2003, 4:58 AM

Well I'm shocked at your knowledge of sci-fi shows. You guys should watch more sci-fi movies b'cause this ep of sg-1 isn't copying any normal tv series. This show I do believe is based upon the sci-fi movie Dark City. It was about a city in space (similar to the dome surrounded by poison) with people living in it. Every day, people have their memories changed by these group of aliens who wish to find a special person. The rest is different from this ep but the main concept is there.

- a city with no way out
- aliens (or computers) change and control the people

Think about it and watch it. I do hope I havent offended any1 here but u guys really should widen your scope on sci-fi shows.
well that's all for my opinion of this show. what do u think now in shead of this new knowledge? biggrin.gif

Posted by: Stargate SG-1 Bott Jul 13th 2003, 6:21 AM

doesnt really nother me at all mad, i thought the ep was great, and i havent seen what your saying so it doesnt matter, even if i did wouldnt change my feelings towards this ep, like in fallen and homecoming the starwars feature, i didnt think there was nothing wrong with it, and infact liked it. to Net,

Kazaa is good for episodes but the only reason i dont use it, is because new eps either takes ages to get there or if there there no resources because there so rare, IRC and Bit Torrent are the best for new eps, no queues or anything straight into downloading biggrin.gif .

Posted by: Madnez Jul 13th 2003, 9:47 AM

ya, either way we still enjoy the show no matter how silly it may seem. still i hate the wait.... 1 dam week with nothing good to watch. its fun watchin sg-1 but it bores you to death waiting for it. is this a good thing or bad thing? dry.gif

Posted by: OdinisThor'sDad Jul 13th 2003, 9:47 AM

It would be kinda fun to be the guy in charge of monitoring the computer system. He could be like god.

Types in "i am your King" and whamo he's the king.......for a little while anyway.

Posted by: lizieaxes Jul 13th 2003, 10:49 AM

this wasn't my favorite ep of all time, but it did have its good points. i too liked the food swaping scene it amused me and showed how close the team is that they know each other's likes and dislikes. i liked jack's interactions with the little boy. "helllo nevin....." i also liked the fact that this ep had no gun fire and no real violence. yes people died, but not from fighting. it was a nice breath of fresh air after the heavely warlike previous eps this season.
and finally, i liked the fact that the computer was not evil. it was just compensating for loosing power, but it did not act out of concious evil. i liked that. it makes you think about things. that those actions while not too nice (sending people to their deaths) were not taking because the computer was sentient and wanted control, they were taken to protect the comunity. anyway, it just raises interesting questions online2long.gif

Posted by: fishdani2 Jul 13th 2003, 12:55 PM

Yeah. I got so frustrated when those people wouldn't listen. I'm glad that sam got through though. smile.gif

Posted by: smellycorpse Jul 13th 2003, 7:07 PM

I thought this episode was ok, it totally reminds me of Season 2 Episode 4 - The Gamekeeper. But this time the there is really a toxic planet outside the dome. I did like the fact that there was no shots fired. I do know that they shouldn't have a string a non leathal episodes, for if they do it will become boring. i agree with a earlier message that this episode was a good steping stone for new comers.

This episode is a great plot booster for the fact that there is un protected techno faggle stuff to be backward engineered.
perfect time to get tech and save a race of humans. biggrin.gif

Posted by: SSG Ret Jul 13th 2003, 7:10 PM

One more episode where Sam had to tell someone about his dead spouse.

I did not find the episode very believable. If the atmosphere was that bad, it would have killed people long before they got the dome up.

Posted by: DougieBoy Jul 13th 2003, 8:05 PM

QUOTE (SSG Ret @ Jul 13 2003, 08:10 PM)
I did not find the episode very believable. If the atmosphere was that bad, it would have killed people long before they got the dome up.

What I learned from the ep was there were people that saw what was happening to their world, and they started building that bubble to protect them from the way the world was becoming. So, it was built, and then the atmosphere got worse, and worse outside, but they were safe in their bubble. You don't think it got that bad over night do you? It is very believeable.

Posted by: Dead on Arrival Jul 13th 2003, 10:50 PM

How come the computer was resisting against the idea of having people relocate? Wouldn't it be better for the computer to let people leave on their own than to kill them?

Also I think the "link" technology is far more useful than the forcefield technology. Remember how the replica SG-1 team were able to communicate instantly with eachother? Imagine if Daniel and Sam could really put their heads together.

Anyway...I have been able to d/l every single ep from kazaalite from the pilot to the current without any problem. True it may take a while for a new ep, but you could...yaknow...do something else while it steeps.

First post, Thanx

Posted by: B-Dazzler Jul 13th 2003, 11:37 PM

I wonder if the Goa'uld know of this planet or ignored it due to the atmosphere. Wouldn't they have seen the energy bubble? They should check out the planet for Naquida (sp?). Of course, if they find it, how would they mine it? Maybe via malp or something. I wonder what planet these people were relocated to and what tech they kept with them and shared with earth. Do they stay in the (dare I say) "Borg like" link? I suppose they were just all linked to the same data base, and not each other's thoughts directly, but it would seem to make sense for that to be possible.

It leaves strange thoughts of what is our past other than our memories. Seems strange to have a wife one day, and then no memory of her the next. I wonder if the mind altering tech would have any effect on Goa'uld? It should effect the human host (maybe) but doubtful if it would on the "snake". But if it did, they might be able to 'create' they're own Tok'ra. Who knows. Not that they'll ever use any/much of this episode (especially if this is the last season), but it's fun to think about.

Posted by: OdinisThor'sDad Jul 14th 2003, 9:35 AM

QUOTE (lizieaxes @ Jul 14 2003, 12:49 AM)
it was a nice breath of fresh air after the heavily warlike previous eps this season.

Breath of fresh air eh. Obviously you never saw the outside of the dome. biggrin.gif

Posted by: lizieaxes Jul 14th 2003, 9:57 AM

QUOTE (OdinisThor'sDad @ Jul 14 2003, 09:35 AM)
QUOTE (lizieaxes @ Jul 14 2003, 12:49 AM)
it was a nice breath of fresh air after the heavily warlike previous eps this season.

Breath of fresh air eh. Obviously you never saw the outside of the dome. biggrin.gif

laugh.gif hahahaha, yes true true. no breathing outside the dome, that killed you instantly. i meant it is nice to have those eps that are different from the whole over arching theme of the series to sort of give you a breather, and then you are more willing to jump back into the doom and gloom, so to speak.
i think the link tech is a bit dangerous. they could do an ep on it. say have the sg-1 experiment with it where they are linked to each other. i think they would all find out that being able to retreat to one's own thoughts is an important thing

Posted by: MrBooleano Jul 14th 2003, 10:00 AM

A good standalone episode, i liked it. The food swapping scene was nicely slipped in, i also noticed the main character being the ashrak too tongue.gif

Posted by: Chrominium Jul 14th 2003, 12:52 PM

Review Time from yours truly wink.gif
So feel free to completely ignore this post... wink.gif

These were one of those 'filler' episodes as it doesn't really contribute to the main storyline - which apparently is what most people like for a variety of reasons (ie easy to pick up on, relax from the storyline), in any series.

Okay, first off, I do like that little twist at the end. That's it.
Im not too sure about how I feel with the storyline, although the idea of new memories every almost every day is an interesting one - reminds me of a movie I once saw years ago - Dark City? I had half expected the computer to be violent (as usually the case when AI goes evil) but it was strangely benevolent. Instead of trying to get the towns people to kill Jack and Tealc, they tried to get them to join. There was no barrier, or resistant from the computer, or any attempt to stop their tampering with the computer at the end.

The reason? The computer wasn't AI, it wasnt thinking for itself, it was just doing its job of maintaining a community even with the sacrifices - although I think it would reach a point where it wouldn't know what to do when the numbers dwindled too much for any more sacrifices AND to maintain a community.

There is one major flaw - who ever designed the dome and the link is a fooled to think it would never needed to be repaired. The residence knew about the link but didn't know about a problem or a way to fix it? Instead he (or she, sorry!) programed it to make compromises which could result in the death of the entire race on the planet. Either way, dying like that being none the wiser isnt a bad thing - although the original designer should have made more of an effort.

How does it effect Sg1? They made allies but probably have to help those people settle on the new planet (provide food and material?). They might have gained something from the Dome technology. An interesting episode but nothing amazing - there are better stories even if they are not as interesting.

Posted by: SSG Ret Jul 14th 2003, 2:34 PM

QUOTE (Dead on Arrival @ Jul 13 2003, 10:50 PM)
How come the computer was resisting against the idea of having people relocate? Wouldn't it be better for the computer to let people leave on their own than to kill them?

Also I think the "link" technology is far more useful than the forcefield technology. Remember how the replica SG-1 team were able to communicate instantly with eachother? Imagine if Daniel and Sam could really put their heads together.

Anyway...I have been able to d/l every single ep from kazaalite from the pilot to the current without any problem. True it may take a while for a new ep, but you could...yaknow...do something else while it steeps.

First post, Thanx

It was programmed to preserve the "the community" if you remember, not individual people.
I have worked with computers a long time. No matter how well they are programmed, sooner or later a situation will arise that isn't covered in the programming, at which point everything falls apart.
As for the link technology, I'd rather be infested by a gou'uld. At least that would be straight forward control, instead of never knowing who's jacked into the system.

Posted by: Peta919 Jul 14th 2003, 3:43 PM

There were two things missing from this episode:

1) Mulder and Scully, come on it was a nice mystery thing and required Spooky and his girlfriend. Maybe even the Lone Gunman so they could play with the difficult computer system.

2) Well, this society was in a dome, you could almost call it a Biodome, but there was no one to cause trouble. We needed Pauly Shore to cause trouble in that bubble?

Posted by: lizieaxes Jul 14th 2003, 5:03 PM

OMG pauly shore in sg-1? now there is a truely scary thought. i think the asgard would blow us to tiny bits just to be rid of him....

Posted by: smellycorpse Jul 14th 2003, 6:44 PM

Chrominium, yes i agree with you. as i said earlier this plot was played in the show. but its a good way of introducing new tech to the show.




i put pauly shore in the same catagory as barny they should be shot on site...
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Posted by: SSG Ret Jul 15th 2003, 4:12 PM

QUOTE (smellycorpse @ Jul 14 2003, 06:44 PM)


i put pauly shore in the same catagory as barny they should be shot on site...
tongue.gif

I would even take the risk of shooting on hearing, forget waiting until I can actually see 'em! ph34r.gif

Posted by: smellycorpse Jul 15th 2003, 5:10 PM

Hehe telatubes in that group


Posted by: Dead on Arrival Jul 15th 2003, 5:53 PM

QUOTE (SSG Ret @ Jul 14 2003, 02:34 PM)
QUOTE (Dead on Arrival @ Jul 13 2003, 10:50 PM)
Also I think the "link" technology is far more useful than the forcefield technology.  Remember how the replica SG-1 team were able to communicate instantly with eachother?  Imagine if Daniel and Sam could really put their heads together.

As for the link technology, I'd rather be infested by a gou'uld. At least that would be straight forward control, instead of never knowing who's jacked into the system.

They wouldn't necessarily use the same exact link. The tech could be adapted to be less controlling. Using the same technology that nearly lulled a civilization to death would be like splicing an f-16 cockpit onto a death glider.

Since the Borg have been mentioned already, I'll point out that you could do worse than emulating the Borg in terms of military tactics.

I still think the link tech is the real gem from this planet.

Posted by: SSG Ret Jul 15th 2003, 11:38 PM

QUOTE (Dead on Arrival @ Jul 15 2003, 05:53 PM)
Since the Borg have been mentioned already, I'll point out that you could do worse than emulating the Borg in terms of military tactics.

I still think the link tech is the real gem from this planet.


The gou'uld do that already, so I think I will leave them to it.

Posted by: mithwriter Jul 18th 2003, 12:05 PM

Long post coming...you've been warned ohmy.gif

First...I really liked the village, and I can't help but wonder if they built it or found a location to shoot at. If they built it I'm impressed, because the amount of brickwork in the walkways and detail in general was very nice. Actually it reminded me a bit of an old Playstation game called Medievil..one of the sets is a haunted village...but anyway..

This was a simple story well done, and there's nothing wrong with that. What intrigued me while watching it was the type of influence the computer exerted over these people. On one hand it would provide information at a moments notice, but the next it would revise that information to how it saw fit. It was also creepy that it would delete people from the collective memory...it was even creepier that people were walking outside the dome under this thing's influence. I mean, has anyone thought about what happened to those people once they stepped outside?

Something external controls your mind, your very actions and you walk out into a toxic wastland with death surrounding you...and you're helpless to obey your very survival instinct to turn around and go back into the dome. The computer probably makes them keep walking until they collapse dead or unconscious...and no one is going to help you because you've been deleted from their memory. That's scary.

Here's another question...if the computer's way of keeping the population controlled was to send them out of the dome, why would it discourage people from trying to leave? It reprogrammed the kid and his dad to want to stay instead of leaving w/SG1, didn't it? Also, while I agree that is seemed benevalent for it not to want to kill Jack and Teal'c while they were surrounded, it nevertheless wanted to link them up and convince them that if they took the links off they would die...another update that was probably not part of the original programming.

I do wonder what would've happened if the computer had been forced to take the "next step" of violence...but since the episode was about the control of memories they never had to explore that.

I thought that the last scene was very telling, a nice summation....the man can't remember his wife because technology took it from him, so he goes the "low-tech" way by having Carter tell him about her. Nice tag scene I thought.

Posted by: ramuund Jul 18th 2003, 1:11 PM

QUOTE (Stargate SG-1 Bott @ Jul 12 2003, 08:02 PM)
Looking forward to Life Boat!  rolleyes.gif . Respect to all the British Stargate Fans We Rule  laugh.gif

absolutly- respect greatness when you see it!!!!!! w00t.gif

Posted by: dorien Jul 18th 2003, 3:24 PM

A technologically advanced society destroys their environment and the survivors seek refuge in a dome where their reality is controlled by a computer. Why does this sound so familiar? blink.gif

Since they have so much in common perhaps the Revisioned people were relocated to the Gamekeeper's planet.

This episode had some nice touches. When Daniel followed Evalla down a dead end as she left the dome, he reached a door before the edge of the dome. But when Jack and Teal'c head down the same way they meet the edge of the dome before the door. That scene and the malp disappearing made any explanation of the dome shrinking unnecessary since we could see it.

As nice as this episode was, I was a bit disappointed that it was just a variation on a past episode.

Posted by: Jutau Jul 23rd 2003, 1:33 AM

hehe the place actually reminded me a of a outdoor mall cause of the houses that were placed everywhere that are were made in a similar fashion... kinda funny how the people there were basically fish in a shrinking pond.

Posted by: ramuund Jul 23rd 2003, 2:31 PM

QUOTE (Jutau @ Jul 23 2003, 01:33 AM)
hehe the place actually reminded me a of a outdoor mall cause of the houses that were placed everywhere that are were made in a similar fashion... kinda funny how the people there were basically fish in a shrinking pond.

that less water more easy to catch fish-quick get teal'c and jack and we'll meet at the pond!! w00t.gif
and i agree a bout the houses looking like mall sets(what ive seen anyway) it looks loke you've walked down a side street at the trafford centre( biggest mall in north west england) i was eating lunch there the other day and i thought something looked familiar! w00t.gif

Posted by: SSG Ret Jul 23rd 2003, 2:44 PM


I can't imagine what it's going to do to the survivors minds when they realize that they can't trust ANY of their memories from when they were linked.

When it hits them that they could have lost entire families that they don't know about...after all, they don't even know if the family they have left are any real relations.

For instance, that boy and his father...if both the boy's parents were 'edited' and the computer just altered their memories to believe that they were related. Which brings a question to mind, what did their memories say happened to the boy's mother?

Posted by: joules314 Jul 27th 2003, 10:59 PM

It was a nice episode, but I am sad to say - the concept of the evil "link" isn't new. This episode remindes me of an Outer Limits episode about the "stream" which was more or less the same thing.

http://www.theouterlimits.com/episodes/season3/321.htm

Posted by: Aesir Jul 28th 2003, 4:25 AM

QUOTE (mithwriter @ Jul 18 2003, 06:05 PM)
Here's another question...if the computer's way of keeping the population controlled was to send them out of the dome, why would it discourage people from trying to leave? It reprogrammed the kid and his dad to want to stay instead of leaving w/SG1, didn't it?

Maybe I'm wrong, but it was my understanding that it wasn't making people leave the dome, but was just adapting the population's memories as the dome lost more and more power and shrunk, stranding people on the outside. The computer may have seem evil, but it was just following it's programming and trying to keep the people as happy as they could in light of a fatal situation.

QUOTE (joules314 @ Jul 28 2003, 04:59 AM)
It was a nice episode, but I am sad to say - the concept of the evil "link" isn't new. This episode remindes me of an Outer Limits episode about the "stream" which was more or less the same thing.

Yes, but then again this could be said of most real episodes in a scifi show... so much has been done before that it's practically impossible to think up these standalone episodes and make them original. Sure they can just have episodes with Anubis and other things unique to Stargate, but this would make the show much less diverse. I think these types of standalone episodes are a great way of breaking from a continuing storyline which requires the viewers to see every episode to understand... even if they are somewhat similar to stories in other shows.

Posted by: SSG Ret Jul 30th 2003, 9:09 AM

We actually saw one person leave the dome. The counsilwoman who woke up and 'packed', actually walked through the dome wall. Daniel was following that other female and the only place she could have gone was through the dome. The computer was actually sending them out. I am curious as to what criteria it was using to decide who to send, though.

Posted by: ...Odd Aug 11th 2003, 7:40 PM

I didn't really think much of this ep. Nice enough but has holes and is pretty dull in my books. Never thought I'd say that!

Posted by: Sam's Sister Oct 10th 2003, 2:58 PM

QUOTE (SSG Ret @ Jul 30 2003, 07:09 AM)
The computer was actually sending them out. I am curious as to what criteria it was using to decide who to send, though.

I wondered about this, too. I also wonder what effect Sg1's being there had on the computer's calculations for survival. Were they ignored because they brought their own supplies or because they weren't connected to the link? Or was the computer compensating for their being there by sending out the two we saw exit the dome? Maybe that compensation wouldn't have occured as quickly had Sg1 not been there. Not that they could have known that, but I was surprised Carter didn't wonder aloud about it. And what would have happened had Daniel actually tried on the link? Would he have become part of the link or would it have thrown the computer off? I love the idea of being able to download info instantly like that! You could just see Daniel seething at the bit to try it and be able to learn all about the culture instantly.

Mith: I agree with your comment about the closing scene -- I liked that, too. When tech fails you, go back to the old-fashioned way: talking.

Posted by: Majikthize Oct 27th 2003, 4:22 PM

Well I actually really liked the concept in this episode. It was a real solid sci fi idea that raises loads of moral questions. However I think the presentation here lacked something. Can't really put my finger on it except to say that it all felt very low key. There was no sense of urgency or danger...just seemed a little bland
What might have made a more exciting ending would have been Carter hacking in to the computer to reprogram it and whasisname (aliens names all blend into one for me after a while) finding them and holding them hostage. Meanwhile the townsfolk get ready to lynch O'Neill and Teal'c so Daniel has to talk whasisname into letting them reprogram the link to save them being chucked out the dome...

...what I'm trying to say is it lacked danger and excitement and a climax. Also lacked the classic O'Neill sarcasm. Not that I mind all that because it does get a little too much in some episodes.

Also didn't gel much with the kid. Bit unecessary IMO. they seem to meet and bond with a cute kid every third planet they visit. Frankly it's getting a little boring. Why don't they just breed and have some of their own if they like them that much. wink.gif

Not a bad episode but not one I'd fall over myself to see again.

Posted by: Emmyloo Oct 27th 2003, 5:03 PM

I think i agree with most people when i say that this was a good episode. smile.gif

I liked the interaction between Jack and that kid, although the kid did seem to irritate me somewhat. I also liked the kind of twist at the end, i never expected the Link to be acting as it was for that particular purpose, i guess i just assumed it was acting as it was for something more sinister.

I agree with Majikthize that this ep did seem to lack a sense of danger and excitement. I thought the ending was ok, but when the whole town was after Jack and Teal'c i thought...."ah ha, now were gunna get some action".....but they just offered them the thingies to link them to the Link, and it seemed a bit of an anti-climax to me.

One thing i didnt understand was why the people didnt have any kind of protective suits of their own as they were obviously a pretty advanced race. The guy that Sam was working with expressed a desire to know what the world was like outside the dome, and i dont think he would have been the only one to wonder. I guess the Link would be the reason for this, although i cant really see why the Link would try and stop them from developing something to protect them from the outside atmosphere, because being able to explore the world outside of the dome could greatly benifit the people of that planet. They would have been able to have access to the Stargate, and mabye could have even found another planet to inhabit, which would save many lives.

Posted by: Major Sam Carter O'Neill Oct 28th 2003, 10:17 AM

My Dad came up with a thought at the beginning that the people were like the Aschen. Of course he didnt put it like that he said they like erm.... erm.... people who harvest!

But anyway i did think that the computer would be more evil not so oh i was only doing what they told me to but it was a twist!!

It also lacked humor for me but one bit was at the dinner table whent he boy was askin O'Neill about the planets " Teal'c is it too late to pitch a tent??" laugh.gif biggrin.gif 7

So i describe this as average yet entretaning tongue.gif

Posted by: Jon The UK SG-1 Fan Oct 28th 2003, 12:15 PM

I liked this ep because it was one of those original SG-1 eps where they go through the gate meet people and solve their probs. I also liked the idea of "the link" and the shrinking dome. When i first read what this ep was about i thought it was gonna be like "Gamekeeper" that ep with all those people living in that glass dome but it was totally different which was great smile.gif

Posted by: JC1 Oct 28th 2003, 8:53 PM

I missed the first 20 minutes of this episode because I had fallen asleep. When I woke up, I was thinking "Ah crap! Im after missing the start of stargate." After watching the next 40 minutes I was thinking I should have stayed asleep.

I have nothing against stand alone epiosdes, but I just found this one unintresting. Unless something really amazing happened in the first 20 minutes, I'd have to say this was the worst episode of season 7 so far.

Posted by: Lord Sokar Nov 2nd 2003, 10:19 AM

I think this episode was a little too close to home, the style of the buildings and town, were too much like everyday housing, in UK. I would have thought that the artitecture (sorry about the spelling), would have been quite different. This however did not spoil the episode, for me. Apart from that, it was great!

Lord Sokar
ph34r.gif cool.gif ph34r.gif

Posted by: glom Nov 2nd 2003, 12:24 PM

QUOTE (Dead on Arrival @ Jul 13 2003, 10:50 PM)
How come the computer was resisting against the idea of having people relocate? Wouldn't it be better for the computer to let people leave on their own than to kill them?

Also I think the "link" technology is far more useful than the forcefield technology. Remember how the replica SG-1 team were able to communicate instantly with eachother? Imagine if Daniel and Sam could really put their heads together.

Anyway...I have been able to d/l every single ep from kazaalite from the pilot to the current without any problem. True it may take a while for a new ep, but you could...yaknow...do something else while it steeps.

First post, Thanx

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How come the computer was resisting against the idea of having people relocate?  Wouldn't it be better for the computer to let people leave on their own than to kill them?


The answer lies in what this episode most emulated. For me, this episode was an almost carbon copy of 'The Return of the Archons' [TOS] from Star Trek.

Like this episode, Landru was not a bad... er... computer (the real Landru died six thousand years ago and programmed the computer to administrate). It wanted what was best for the "Body". But, being a machine, it's idea of what was best for the body was screwed up. It failed to consider that without growth and individualism, the society cannot function. When Kirk convinced the machine of this, it destroyed itself, realising it was a threat to the body.

The idea is that the computer probably didn't understand that the society could exist beyond the parameter's of its programming, ie the dome.

Fortunately, this episode didn't end in O'Neill talking the computer to death. Kirk did that four times. ('The Return of the Archons, 'Wolf in the Fold', 'I, Mudd', 'The Ultimate Computer')

For me, this episode had some good points, but by halfway through, I'd already summed up what was going to happen. It was a bit bland, but I agree it was a nice change of pace from last week's blood fest. I think sporadicly placed alien-of-the-week episodes are a good thing, because they help to offset some of the heavy, story-arc development episodes.

Posted by: ramuund Nov 4th 2003, 6:46 PM

I liked it alot personally, but i do have a question?

Do you know the guy who helped them, lost his wife, when they needed to change the towns memories? Well you know at the end he was going on about being the only for sure that knew he lost someone? Well, how are we too know that they were ever actually originally married, afterall the computer can completly change memories, who isn't too say that they were put 'together' just a few weeks or days before sg1 arrived?

And secondly, wouldn't there be a way to get the computer information, it's data of what it has changed- i would of thought somewhere in the system there would of been record, not ones that the towns folk could get hold off, but somewhere? After all the computer knows its 'prime directive' it obviously keeps data somewhere not too erase that? Would it have data of its goings on?

Posted by: Aesir Nov 5th 2003, 5:57 AM

QUOTE (ramuund @ Nov 5 2003, 12:46 AM)
Do you know the guy who helped them, lost his wife, when they needed to change the towns memories? Well you know at the end he was going on about being the only for sure that knew he lost someone? Well, how are we too know that they were ever actually originally married, afterall the computer can completly change memories, who isn't too say that they were put 'together' just a few weeks or days before sg1 arrived?

The computer was concerned with keeping the dome inhabitable and so was removing people... I don't see any circumstance where this would mean that two people would be paired in a marriage. However technically you are right that we can't be 100% sure that they were really married.

QUOTE (ramuund @ Nov 5 2003, 12:46 AM)
And secondly, wouldn't there be a way to get the computer information, it's data of what it has changed- i would of thought somewhere in the system there would of been record, not ones that the towns folk could get hold off, but somewhere? After all the computer knows its 'prime directive' it obviously keeps data somewhere not too erase that? Would it have data of its goings on?

Not necessarily. The computer might not keep any record of what changes it had made. After all, any record would mean that the inhabitants did have access to it since they could do pretty much anything they wanted with the computer. It wouldn't necessarily need to hide its prime objective as this was presumably given to it by the creators of the dome in the first place and was probably just to maintain the dome as best it could and probably to try to keep the people happy. Even if the inhabitants knew this they wouldn't think anything of it.

Posted by: Kinghans Nov 5th 2003, 1:09 PM

Good episode, not much action, more theoretical science stuff, but that's why it's sci-fi I guess...

I wonder if they stay in touch with all of the "alien-humans" they've met along the way... Eventually they could all end up being powerful enough to take on the Goa'uld, right? Provided the Goa'uld don't crush those worlds one at a time...

Greetz, King Hans biggrin.gif cool.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: Pearce1340 Nov 8th 2003, 3:38 PM

I missed this one sad.gif

Posted by: mithwriter Jan 29th 2004, 12:50 PM

For anyone who's been curious (like me) about the village set and wondered if it was created or shot on location, I just read this quote from Robert Cooper in Dreamwatch # 112.

"It was shot at a tourist attraction here in Vancouver, Fantasy Gardens. I think a lot of people thought we had built an incredibly detailed city, but its something that actually exists here in Vancouver."

Anyone up for a roadtrip and some paintball fun? biggrin.gif

Posted by: Albion Jan 31st 2004, 10:01 AM

I'm really with those who think this was a good, okay episode, but don't have much feeling for it beyond that. For me, it could have done with a few more character relationship moments between SG1 and a lot more humour. I really missed the lack of those in this one.

I think those who are complaining that it is a spin on an old idea are being a little harsh. I often feel sorry for SF TV writers these days, when so much has already been done before them. As writers know, there are only a finite number of ideas out there you can use. So now and then they're bound to find themselves treading on the toes of those who've gone before them - and who were, in part, much luckier in that they were breaking new ground and didn't have the same problems.

And I've never seen anything wrong with that anyway - so long as the revisiting of the idea is done in a fresh, original and thoughtful way, it can bring something fresh to even the oldest idea.

I'm not sure that this was the case with this episode mind you; it did seem a little flat and pedestrian. There aren't any really good moments I could point to and say - they made it all worthwhile. But for all that, I didn't hate it or think it sucked.

I was a little surprised by O'Neill's irritation with the kid initially - usually he's right in there bonding and I didn't think this kid was particularly obnoxious to provoke that from him. Later, he seemed to be softening much more in character though, I thought.

I think what really made this a so-so episode for me was that I never at any point got the sense that our heroes were really in that much danger.

But, as I say - not one I hate and would never visit again.

Thanks to the poster who gave the info on the set - that's interesting. Great use of an existing location.

Albion smile.gif

Posted by: Aesir Feb 1st 2004, 10:27 AM

QUOTE (Albion @ Jan 31 2004, 03:01 PM)
I think what really made this a so-so episode for me was that I never at any point got the sense that our heroes were really in that much danger.

After watching this the first time and second time around, I had the same feeling that something was missing that was usually present in the average episode. I couldn't quite pinpoint it until reading your post, but now I realise it was definitely the lack of suspense/danger. Okay, so we knew that the inhabitants of the dome were in the most danger, but SG-1 was only really in danger before they knew that the dome was shrinking and if they had decided to go and stand near the edge. Basically though, there was very little threatening them and all the suspense seemed to come from the danger that the inhabitants of the dome were in.

I did really like this episode however, so the lack of danger presented to SG-1 didn't ruin it for me, just bugged me a little. Yes, I've seen a similar idea done before in another Scifi show, but I thought it was sufficiently different. Before judging Scifi writers for "copying" ideas, I think we first have to understand that actually they may not be copying the idea, even when it appears in another show. In fact, they could have thought it up themselves and in some cases may not even realise that it has been done before in another show. After all, you can't really expect them to check out every episode of every Scifi show to see if their idea for an episode has been done before sad.gif

Posted by: Kero Feb 19th 2004, 7:51 AM

I liked the episode. I thought it was good. (There you go, how bout that for an inelligent post?)

But I did have something to say; I was watching something today that reminded me of this episode so i rewatched it - and guess what reminded me of it (of all things)?? SHREK! You know when they first go to Dulac? For some reason, the town there reminded me of the town in the ep! Wierd huh?

Posted by: dorien Apr 2nd 2004, 11:28 PM

QUOTE (Sam's Sister @ Oct 10 2003, 02:58 PM)
I also wonder what effect Sg1's being there had on the computer's calculations for survival.

I just watched this episode again and wondered this too.

QUOTE (Sam's Sister @ Oct 10 2003, 02:58 PM)
Were they ignored because they brought their own supplies or because they weren't connected to the link?

I don't think they were ignored. They may have brought supplies and not been "linked" but the computer would have been aware at the very least of the increased oxygen consumption. It would have compensated for that accordingly. Which leads to...

QUOTE (Sam's Sister @ Oct 10 2003, 02:58 PM)
...was the computer compensating for their being there by sending out the two we saw exit the dome?

I think SG-1 was inadvertently responsible for killing Evalla and the councilwoman. But with the dome shrinking, why send out only two people when four had been added to the community?

QUOTE (Sam's Sister @ Oct 10 2003, 02:58 PM)
Maybe that compensation wouldn't have occured as quickly had Sg1 not been there.? Not that they could have known that, but I was surprised Carter didn't wonder aloud about it.

This does seem like something Sam should have theorized especially when she figured out the dome was getting smaller. She was disturbed in The Other Side by the deaths that occurred when the iris was closed. She should have been more disturbed now since they were literally taking someones breath away.

Posted by: JacksGRL Apr 7th 2004, 9:57 AM

This episode did'nt do much for me. The set looked like a fake town form Busch Gardens!

Posted by: Mac.Fan Apr 16th 2004, 3:35 PM

well if it wasnt for SG1 going to the planet and meeting all the people and noticeing some thing wasnt right they would of died. Lucky sam notice some thing wasnt right with the computer. I wounger how much time they had left before the doom colapes and every one died.

Posted by: linda_lol Apr 17th 2004, 10:28 AM

the "link" scared the crap out of me! geez! they're being brainwashed and stuff!

Posted by: Stargate27 Oct 25th 2004, 4:39 PM

I saw this episode for the first time this weekend.
I thought the whole concept of living inside a bubble was an interesting idea, but I liked the shows realization that people can't live in a bubble. It's unnatural, and boring not to see what the rest of the world has to offer. Although there are people who stay at home and never travel. This show made me want to go out and see things I've never seen before.
I also thought it was kind of creepy how people kept disappearing and no one in the bubble didn't notice. I liked how Samantha tried convince Palin that the link was brain washing them. However, I figured out that the bubble was shrinking and not collapsing before Sam and Daniels did.
I thought this was a great episode. I enjoyed it both times I saw it.

Posted by: wonderland Oct 25th 2004, 5:01 PM

QUOTE (mithwriter @ Jan 29th 2004, 12:50 PM)
For anyone who's been curious (like me) about the village set and wondered if it was created or shot on location, I just read this quote from Robert Cooper in Dreamwatch # 112.

"It was shot at a tourist attraction here in Vancouver, Fantasy Gardens. I think a lot of people thought we had built an incredibly detailed city, but its something that actually exists here in Vancouver."

Anyone up for a roadtrip and some paintball fun? biggrin.gif

I thought the set was, frankly, the best part of the episode.

Posted by: Dr Sam Nov 16th 2004, 2:59 PM

I liked this one - somehow it seemed more like earlier seasons than the previous season 7 eps, which is a good thing IMO. I agree with whoever said Sam looked more like Sam, too. And it was nice to see more of RDA than in 703 and 704. Maybe that's what made it seem more like the previous seasons - the team dynamics were more evident, and I think the way the team interacts with eachother is a big part of what makes stargate such a good show.

I recognised the father but couldn't place him, but now I know he was the Ashrak. But the woman doing the research with Daniel looked familiar too. Was she the chief's daughter in Touchstone (Season 2)?

Posted by: mr_d8a Apr 4th 2005, 9:00 AM

QUOTE(Dr Sam @ Nov 16th 2004, 2:59 PM)
I recognised the father but couldn't place him, but now I know he was the Ashrak. But the woman doing the research with Daniel looked familiar too. Was she the chief's daughter in Touchstone (Season 2)?
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I knew that father looked familiar, but I couldn't quite place him, Thank!

Yes, she did play the chief's daughter in Touchstone.

And Pallen, played by Christopher Heyerdahl, also played Halling in Stargate Atlantis Season 1.

James

Posted by: JamesG Apr 4th 2005, 11:28 AM

The set was really good and i enjoyed this episode heaps. Its one of few stand alone episodes in season 7 where SG-1 are offworld for most of the episode doing stuff to help people and thats why think its so good. It does have a season 1-3 feeling about it.

Posted by: Heru-ER Jun 15th 2005, 11:27 AM

Very nice episode actually it remember me a book call 1984 or other i dont remember name where all people are controlled and when they born something programs them to make certain things

the LINK was a cool idea imagine be able to access lots of amount of data,but the idea of being controlled sucks

Posted by: blackbelt83 Jan 1st 2006, 11:25 PM

If you have the series on dvd you will relize that one of the wrighters also wrote for the outer limets am I the only one who sees a slight rezeblince to an old outer limets episod. they had to wear the same little things on the side of there head and they called it the link to. I think it was a filler episode for the wrighters to. Dont get me wrong I thougth It was a cool episod but just not very original. I did think neven was cool.

Posted by: 38_mins moo Feb 8th 2006, 1:43 PM

i was intrigued by this episode just because of the dome! then it got even better. can't help thinkin that iv seen the guy who played nevin somewhere else in stargate.

Posted by: Dafmeister Feb 8th 2006, 1:56 PM

QUOTE(38_mins moo @ Feb 8th 2006, 6:43 PM) *
can't help thinkin that iv seen the guy who played nevin somewhere else in stargate.
This is the only character he has played in Stargate, he's never had any other role.

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