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Posted by: Arcady Jul 30th 2004, 6:55 PM

Episode 4 - Thirty-Eight Minutes
Air Date: (US) July 30, 2004

The team finds themselves in mortal danger when their puddle jumper ship becomes lodged in the Stargate.

http://www.sg1archive.com/atlantis/s1.shtml#104 | http://www.sg1archive.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=7673 | http://www.sg1archive.com/teasers/a104.html

(This topic is for people who have seen the episode to discuss it. If you don't want to be spoiled, don't read this topic.)

Posted by: Bowley Jul 30th 2004, 9:59 PM

Wow....two great and interesting episodes for Sg-1 and Atlantis...or should I say Stargate: Apollo 13....lol j/k. Good stuff.

Posted by: fahadwajid Jul 30th 2004, 10:05 PM

does the end feel like weir and shepard starting to get atracted to each other.

Posted by: Bowley Jul 30th 2004, 10:05 PM

ohh and another thing...just wanted to note that Tori Higgins(I think that's her name) pulled off some excellent acting this episode.

Posted by: thorsupremeruler Jul 30th 2004, 10:06 PM

I thought that this episode was overall pretty good. liked how Dr. weir took command and really showed that pony tailded guy whos boss i do hope that she sends him to a wasteland planet. atlantis looks good so far hope that they can make it into a very successful series.

good work so far

Posted by: IceQueen Jul 30th 2004, 10:10 PM

1) Tailed guy: I think Weir was unfair to him in the first place saying he was only thinking of his own ass. There are lots of people in Atlantis: far more than on that one ship.

2) What's with the wraiths' faces? Why would they run around with staffs, if they have tech superior to Ancients? It's like seeing Asgard/Nox with staffs!

3) The entire time I thought that the reason they stopped was because there was some kind of mechanism in the Stargate that didn't let *those bugs* through, and once they've defeated the bug, it would go through on its own. (That theory of mine was reinforced when they poured salt water on the bug, and the ship moved.)

Posted by: kronos1 Jul 30th 2004, 10:17 PM

How Do You Rate Tonights Episode of Stargate Atlantis 38 Minutes?


On a scale of 1 to 10 i give it a 7.It was much better than last weeks.

Posted by: thorsupremeruler Jul 30th 2004, 10:20 PM

i would also give it a 7

Posted by: Bowley Jul 30th 2004, 10:21 PM

Posted by: ChaosMange Jul 30th 2004, 10:27 PM

I wasn't all that keen on this episode. I don't understand how in the very first week they can fly through the Stargate like a bat out of hell, and this week, they were going so slow through the gate that they could have walked faster!

If they were flying a little faster, ya know... like it was a real medical emergency, then maybe they wouldn't have gotten stuck in the first place. But oh well... I guess that it was all in the script. I was just a little disappointed.

On a brighter note... SG-1 was great!

Posted by: Aquila Jul 30th 2004, 10:39 PM

This episode was very well done...especially with the flashbacks. If Atlatnis keeps this up, they'll be making a name for themselves. Its funny how a whole episode can be centered within one chamber of a Puddle Jumper, and yet put you on edge a little.

Although, I knew every thing would turn out alright, seeing as the main character's couldn't just up and die, I still got that urgent feeling at times. Yes, I have to give the producers a hand!

Oh, and I do hope we don't have to see those bugs again!

I'll give it a 8 out of 10.

Posted by: Starfire086 Jul 30th 2004, 10:52 PM

I honestly didn't like this episode very much. I though last week's was much better. I'm really starting to dislike Weir, sure you can say she was just asserting her command, but I think she went a little over the top. She was excessively hard on the scientist, and to the religious guy in my opinion. She's annoying.

On the up side, we get to see a little more of Lt. Ford, and the alien bug was pretty cool in a gross kind of way. I loathe leeches. The "omg we're stuck in the gate" story was a little lacking in suspense and seemed more like an excuse to play out the bug thing longer though.

Posted by: infra172 Jul 30th 2004, 11:09 PM

The reason they couldn't fly fast was that Sheppard is the only one who can really control the ship really well. The other guys aren't that good at it.

The best part of the show is still McKay. It's hillarious to watch him.

Posted by: Arcady Jul 30th 2004, 11:12 PM

I don't think you want to be flying fast, when you have to stop immediately on the other side of the gate. (Why would the ancients build that tiny gate room, when they know they are going to be flying ships through there?) You exit at the same speed as you enter.

Posted by: infra172 Jul 30th 2004, 11:17 PM

You could tell from when they took off from the planet that they were having trouble piloting. Sheppard's the only one who can easilly use ancient technology. The others have to work at it.

Did anyone catch the homage to Signs? After making fun of the movie on SG-1, there's a bug on Atlantis that reacts negatively to water. That must be why Atlantis was submurged in the ocean. If the Wraith are biologically similar to the bugs they might react negatively to salt water too.

Posted by: linda_lol Jul 30th 2004, 11:36 PM

Posted by: Starfire086 Jul 30th 2004, 11:51 PM

Posted by: IceQueen Jul 31st 2004, 12:03 AM

Posted by: Arcady Jul 31st 2004, 12:32 AM

Posted by: Sam's Sister Jul 31st 2004, 3:10 AM

Hmm, remind anyone of the weakness of the aliens in "Signs"? Actually, I kept thinking, argh, more bugs, Jack would be ticked (pun intended).

Well, I am enjoying Atlantis greatly. Plenty of action, humour, fuel for thought. McKay is hilarious (Sam would never panic that way) and Weir is a strong base commander. Ford is strong and Teyla is plucky.

And, no, I don't believe there is any ship going on between Sheppard and Weir. It's way too soon for that and I find myself not wanting to see it at all, oddly enough. Tired of all the shipper/anti-shipper drama, I guess. *heavy sigh*

Posted by: PricklyPear Jul 31st 2004, 3:15 AM

Diverting episode; good bubble gum for the eyes.

I'd give it a 5.5 out of 10. McKay annoys the hell out of me! Teyla is just too goodie-goodie to be true, and Weir is beginning to look like a Wraith.

Oh, well. At least it's not a rerun of something.

Posted by: Thommes Jul 31st 2004, 7:58 AM

I haven't liked Atlantis from day one. I didn't watch the episode last night, rather this morning while surfing the web. I thought 38 minutes was terrible. I am comparing the series to the greatness of SG-1 which may be unfair, but if you are going to make a sequel to SG-1 the viewer has the right to expect good things. I'm happy that Atlantis seems to have a following though.

From a technical side (I was in the industry years ago), the show was terrible: the editing, writing, effects. The flashbacks were ok, but couldn't save the episode for me. I want to do some research on who wrote and directed the episode. I was under the impression that some of the SG-1 crew went to Atlantis, if so, what are they doing?

I am curious though to know the demographics of the people that like this show.

IMHO, Atlantis is worse than Enterprise.

Overall 1 out of 10.

Tom

Posted by: Ehzarhorden Jul 31st 2004, 12:43 PM

I LOVE Atlantis so far, and I'm sorry some of you strongly dislike it, but that is your opinion. My opinion is the show is only in it's infancy and I really like the effects we get (for a basic cable series). A few things annoy me, but overall, I am satisfied and look forward to another episode next Friday night.

I'm more concerned about SG-1 since this is most likely the last season for them.

Posted by: linda_lol Jul 31st 2004, 12:57 PM

Posted by: peta44444 Jul 31st 2004, 1:10 PM

I really loved this ep! Out of all the Atlantis eps so far, this has been my favorite. I taped it and didn't end up getting to watch it till after midnight. It woke me up, that's for sure! I was on the edge of my seat, and got really into it! Great ep!

Peta

Posted by: Ehzarhorden Jul 31st 2004, 1:31 PM

Posted by: Janos Jul 31st 2004, 1:31 PM

I thought it was pretty good too.

But I've got a question. Why did they show a scene of the bug still alive right before it got sucked into space? You'd think they'd do something like that if it was going to attack and not let them open the hatch or something. But they showed it moving around in the bag and then ZIP... right out the back.

Do you think they might do something A La Nemesis where you see one replicator survived Thor's ship crashing? I doubt it, but really... why waste the screen time on something that didn't affect anything or anybody at all? What was the point?

Posted by: Quadhelix Jul 31st 2004, 1:58 PM

Posted by: Jackal Guards Rule Jul 31st 2004, 3:25 PM

Good episode I'd give it 7 out of 10 but I'm to lazy to write more I'm tired from work.

Posted by: PinkPeril Jul 31st 2004, 3:58 PM

This felt like a really orginal episode to me, and is the first that really felt apart from SG1.

Love McKay - he carries the show. However some part of me was convinced that it was the chocolate that he was eating that was going to kill the bug!!! I think I need help and watch too much sci-fi and fantasy!!!

Posted by: Starfire086 Jul 31st 2004, 4:31 PM

Posted by: Felger Jul 31st 2004, 5:31 PM

Brilliant episode in my opinion! The entertainment quality was certainly there in the form of climax and anti-climax, I of course can't forget the tension because there was a lot of it throughout the episode.

Overall I would give it 8 out of 10, i just can't wait to see what the writers do with Atlantis next.

On a final point I just thought I speak about the anti-Atlantis comments. Somebody on the "anti" side said that Atlantis was designed to get younger audiences; well looking at some of the comments it must have because they are clearly over exaggerated with negatives, in other words childish comments.

I am aware that this could be interpreted as the same, however i felt compelled because i feel awful when an episode so good as this is ripped to pieces for no good reason.

I have to ask when you watch the episode do you just look for problems all the way through? And do you have any knowledge of dramatic content?
Some people need to grow up quickly and really need to stop trying to destroy Atlantis because they are ever so ?loyal? to SG-1.

See a show for what it is!

Posted by: Thommes Jul 31st 2004, 7:30 PM

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Posted by: kmm39 Aug 1st 2004, 12:55 AM

The major problems Atlantis has that's turning a lot of people off:

1. The characters - the women actors are horrible. Some people don't like the men but so far they're all not clicking. SG-1 clicked automatically. That's important to a new show.

2. The chemistry - there's no chemistry between the characters. That's enough to say on that subject.

3. The storylines - so far none of them are original. This pass episode was better but that bug on Sheppard's neck was so silly!

I'd change some of the cast so that the chemistry's there between the characters. Also, better writing's needed. This writing isn't good enough for a first season show.

Posted by: RJLCyberPunk Aug 1st 2004, 1:31 AM

All that I have to say is that I really liked the episode. Plus I think it was pretty original. I don't understand why the bug was a silly idea, it has kind of been done in SG-1 after all
As for Weir being either assertive or abusive, she may have been little harsh with the guy. But honestly if you are in the middle of a life-threatening emergency & somebody comes and complains about having their ego hurt how would you respond! After all he was the only one that was addamant that the rescue should not be attempted.
The same goes for Teyla's people, if you are rescuing somebody from a fire and all of a sudden members of his religius cult come and tell you that you must allow them to prepare for death the person you are trying to save! Again what would you do?
When you answer this questions. most of you will agree that at the time were the right ones...

Posted by: SlavsyaRossiya Aug 1st 2004, 2:29 AM

I liked this ep...sorta....

The problem I'm seeing with Atlantis is that the main characters (Shepard, Ford, Teyla, Mckay, Weir) don't really get much of a chance to interact with each other, to develop their characters. Why? Because they aren't going through the Stargate! Sure, they get more screentime, but they don't get "alone-time" with each other on any strange new planet or anything. Their always in Atlantis doing something, and as such the focus kind of shifts off them and onto Atlantis and everyone else in it...
They can't develop on Atlantis! Sheppard can't show his personality (he doesn't really have one yet), neither can Ford...Teyla isn't doing enough ("Why, could the answer be with this rope? Why, maybe the answer has something to do with the Stargate!")...The only one whos getting to show off his personality is Mckay, but as long as they don't exercise their main plot device, the stargate, they'll all kind of fade away. Hopefully they'll get themselves on their feet soon...I think a lot of people who don't like Atlantis now will begin to like it once it begins exploring...

Anyway, onto the ep:

It was interesting. It dealt with (sort of) the problem a lot of people were voicing, namely the size of the ships, etc.
It's interesting to see Mckay be himself, and I continue to think that Francks is a great actor.
Teyla has nothing to do. She seems invisible almost, unimportant. Sheppard is nice, but he isn't being used to the full of his ability. None of them are.

I was kind of hoping they'd go through the Gate (like SG1 did on its 3rd ep), but I still have hope, cause the first few eps of SG1 weren't all that great either. We'll see.

I think Weir showed a great deal of restrain when it comes to that guy. Seriously: Many people are going to die in less than half an hour, and this guy is whining because she hurt his ego? He's wasting precious time and, if this were real life, they could easily have died in there because of him. I would have sent him to the Wraith - they'd have more use for him that we do!

Posted by: Raz Aug 1st 2004, 3:23 AM

I thought this ep was pretty good! Atlantis is continuing its good run for me and I liked the fact they touched on the whole 38Minute Stargate thing and didn't change it since it was in the Pegasus Galaxy. The ep gets 7/10 for me..looking forward to next weeks eps of both SG-1 and Atlantis

Posted by: UNSRM Aug 1st 2004, 5:00 AM

My thoughts:
1. McKay is just funny!
2. This was the best episode yet - last weeks did very little for me and the premiere was do where near as good as Children of the Gods.
3. I agree with some of the points made about relationships but remember that Daniel and Jack already knew each other at the start of SG1 because of the film and it took to the end of the 1st year for chemistry to really develop - we are being a bit unfair because we are judging it against SG1 that has been running a lot longer.
4. Still a bit too Treky for me (don't get me wrong I love TNG/DS9/VGR) but thats not why I watch stargate.

SlavsyaRossiya: The only one whos getting to show off his personality is Mckay

I agree but remember he is a already existing character and has more eps to develop his character.

UNSRM

Posted by: dr_n_tesla Aug 1st 2004, 9:47 AM

I prefer this Dr Weir compared to the SG-1 Season 7 version.

Maybe it's cos I dig brunettes !!

But she can definitely look so sexy at times, almost teasing!
She and Sheppard have had many moments where she hints ever so slightly that she likes him....champagne on the first ep.

Give it time, you'll get hooked on Atlantis.

Posted by: Cackles Aug 1st 2004, 11:26 AM

Ive enjoyed the eps so far but when I read about last nights I was cringing until I saw it ... I didnt think it was possible to make a story like that interesting and they did ... So it surprised me by being enjoyable.

meh @ Atlantis bashing ... some people are toooo stuck in their ways methinx

Posted by: Malic Aug 1st 2004, 11:51 AM

Well, I really enjoyed this episode of SG-Atlantis.
I thought it was much better than the first three episodes (counting the pilot as 2.)

Unlike quite a few of the posts that I have read, I think they have started the series off well. Not the best mind you, but well. What I think many people seem to realize is that if this was real, it woudl start of slowly quite liek it has. There would not be any immediate, regular travel through the gate like some are aking for. How can they start to explore the Pegasus Galaxy when they don't even know anything about teh city they live in? So ofcourse the first few episodes are going to revolve around just the city. That is completely logical, and I think they cover this properly.

Next, there is the chracters' development. This takes time. And I think the largest reason why everyone seems to really like the chracter of McKay, is that his chracter has already been developed. That is he is the only major tie in to SG-1. This isn't a bad thing either. This allows the focus to be more on him at the moment while it gives the actors that are new to the SG story time to develop and get used to it all. I think once they start going through the gate on a regular basis, then all the other chracters will start to fall into a certain perception and start to relate to one another better. And I think this episode starts to show that a little. After all not all the chracters in SG-1 got along like best pals at the start either, and rightly so.

I think that Atlantis will get progressively better as it continues throughout the season. So far I like it, and I also like that they have not jumped right into the kinds of things one would see in season 8 SG-1.

I think this episode was great, and as I said before, the best so far for Atlantis.
I really like the idea of salt water (and the key here is SALT, it seems that all these Signs people seem to forget the salt part) being a weakness to these bugs and most likely the wraith's down the road. The reason why I like this is it gives a logical reason as to 1 - why the city floats in the middle of a huge ocean and was under water in the first place; and 2 - why the legends of Atlantis here on Earth focus so much around the ocean as well.

I say give the series a chance to develope soem before being overly critical of it. SG-1 was good at first but It didn't become spectacularly great in my opinon untill the second season.



Malic

Posted by: Raxor Aug 1st 2004, 3:39 PM

i give it ***
i enjoyed it a lot and i look forward to the next episode. there have been 4 good episodes so far and i hope they keep it up

Posted by: Rikaelus Aug 1st 2004, 4:43 PM

I thought it was pretty good. People need to remember that this is its own series as wll as an offshoot to SG-1. The writers need time to introduce the new surroundings and re-introduce those that SG-1 fans are already familiar with. More than anything right now, we need to look at the environment they're setting.

Ep 1&2: Basic intro of characters, Pegasus, Atlantis, Wraith
Ep 3: More detail of Atlantis as a city (not just a base)
Ep 4: Full team together, re-intro of "38 minute" limit, intro of other Ancient tech users

What I think is funny is that Shepard has now already died. Nobody died in SG-1 until ep 7 (8) w/ the Nox.

Posted by: Thommes Aug 1st 2004, 5:54 PM

Posted by: Rikaelus Aug 1st 2004, 6:06 PM

Posted by: mithwriter Aug 1st 2004, 8:55 PM

First off, just want to mention that I don't read any spoilers for Atlantis...at all...anywhere. I used to read them for SG-1, right up to Heros, in fact, but I've discovered that I enjoy the eps so much more when I don't know what 's coming....

In that spirit, let me just say that I am really enjoying this show. Folks, for those of you who don't like it, remember that its just starting out! Watch a couple of clunkers (in terms of characters /dialogue or plots)from season one of SG1 to remember what it was like.

Also remember as far as the the 'team' thing. This isn't about a core of four people going through the gate every week with a CO and doc thrown in. Its much more of a true ensemble cast, and its very hard to try to balance that when starting out, so there are times when some characters are going to get more air time...or less time...or maybe no time...on some eps. I think the important thing is that these characters are well on their way to being really great.

Oh, and about this ep.

This was a nice intro to seeing all departments work together to save some of their own...and seeing some personality clashes at the same time. I wouldn't expect everyone to get along so early in the show, and I'm glad there is friction. My only concern (and its a small one) is the danger of them relying a little too much on McKay for the punchlines. Its very tempting to do since his character is already established. Just don't want it turning in Stargate: Mckay in Atlantis.

Anyway, I really liked it. I was very surprised, however, when I saw the arm sticking out of the gate's puddle and Ford was still connected to it. For some reason, I thought it was going to be the severed arm of one of the pilots, and had braced myself for a nice little 'ew' moment. Guess my understanding of gate travel leaves something to be desired.

Also, I really liked the use of the flashbacks in the story. They were in the right places, and had just the right effect. Again, really well done.

Posted by: row4d Aug 1st 2004, 9:05 PM

Posted by: Cackles Aug 1st 2004, 9:26 PM

Actually the whole 'threading the needle' part made absolutely NO sense to me ...

Its automatic and they knew it ... Sheppard flew like hell towards it, theres far too many fail safes for threading the needle to be a problem ... and too many fail safes for this to happen in the first place id say

Posted by: Rikaelus Aug 2nd 2004, 4:09 AM

Posted by: Cackles Aug 2nd 2004, 7:24 AM

oh yea but id still be goin like a bat out of hell out of it in the full knowledge that the end was automatic.

One minute its a case of if he doesnt thread the needle theyre all dead, putting the pilot under more pressure and then the next its a case of its cool, its all automatic from here ... all youd need to is concentrate on the event horizon, just on getting the jumper into the puddle in the middle of the ring ... cant miss cus it wont let you ... you get near it by that time its on auto pilot you jus think about it stopping in time other side ... thats only 2 things to think about ...

Posted by: Orion08 Aug 3rd 2004, 1:21 AM

I am enjoying this. Still getting the feel for all the important characters, but it's going along smoothly. There are some characters that I am starting to not like, but will keep watching and maybe my opions of them will change.

Posted by: seymour Aug 3rd 2004, 11:43 AM

Posted by: mr_d8a Aug 3rd 2004, 12:04 PM

Did anyone else notice that this week's commonality was that energy blasts came out of the stargates to hit the home bases?


I think the writers need to be a little further way from each other...

James

Posted by: ted_simple Aug 3rd 2004, 6:54 PM

When SG-1 was launched we got episodes like The First Commandment right in the beginning. Those "bold adventures on strange foreign planets" were just what everyone wanted to see after the Stargate Movie, just remember the folks from the "Land of Light" from The Broca Divide, the Nox, or the Greek looking people from Argos (Brief Candle). For an initial season, such a direction was good and interesting.
But somehow I don't get appetite on Atlantis. In the last two episodes nothing really happened. I want the team to visit other planets and make extraordinary discoveries. They can later focus on little dramatic plots like expelling some entity from the base or dealing with technical problems in the puddle jumper.
If they show me soon what I want to see I'm willing to say okay those first episodes were also good and had their reasons... but if the story continues like that I will be quite disappointed...

Posted by: CitizenK Aug 3rd 2004, 9:29 PM

Posted by: mithwriter Aug 3rd 2004, 10:36 PM

I watched this ep again, (love vcrs) and was struck by another theme running through this ep. Not only was it about the Atlantis team pulling together to solve a problem, but it also snuck in a bit of a character study of how these characters react under a deadline (no pun intended)

• For instance, Teyla's people were all for giving her a chance to prepare for death ahead of time, as if it were inevitable and it was something they just needed to accept.
• McKay, apparently, strings together long, 'we're so screwed' proclamations when he begins to panic...also, the more I see this guy, the more I realize he is SO not meant to be out there. I mean, we know from SG1 he's allergic to lemons...but apparently he's also claustrophobic and..diabetic??? What the hell is this guy doing on the other side of another galaxy?
• Cavanaugh is a smart guy, but he was focusing on worst-case scenarios about the fate of the jumper...which is okay, except that no else thought it was as likely to happen as he did.
• The Chzech (sp?) scientist was very level headed and totally dedicated to his work when faced with the deadline at hand. I like this guy.
• Weir seemed to be trying to will herself to keep her focus on the problem and not get stressed out, especially with all the problems/people that confronted her. However, there was a great moment at the end when they realized Sheppard was going to be okay, and you can see the relief on her face. Its as if she's just realizing how devastating it would've been to loose Sheppard in all the roles he provides, both as a fellow strandee in Atlantis and as an ally with military know-how.
• Beckett was also great to watch under pressure, althought I think my favorite moment was when he came in the control room..
  Beckett:"Where's my patient?"
  Weir: "There's been a problem. Into the conference room."
  Beckett: "Oh...no..."
  The tone/reaction when he said that was great,just great.
• Ford was a pure level-headed soldier under pressure.
• Teyla was both level-headed and trying to help Sheppard at the same time. There's a quiet, understated strength there that will hopefully come out more.

Posted by: Cuokuo Aug 4th 2004, 3:11 AM

yeh it was an okay ep

i'm hoping to see somemore ancient technology or find out more about who/wat the wraiths are

Posted by: taujin Aug 4th 2004, 5:01 AM

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Posted by: 1969 Aug 4th 2004, 3:10 PM

I liked this episode even better than the first one!!!!! Its looking realy good, i have high hopes for SGA.

Mckay is an ASS! But OMG..hes starting to grow on me and I liked him in last weeks and this weeks episode. He's actually funny sometimes and can act on the drama side too.

Dr Becket is very good and I like his character very much.

I like all of the cast they seem okay but Teyla needs to do more(hopefully in next few eps) and I liked her showing concern for Sheppard.

Weir was right in scolding that greasy-bad karma-geek guy for being egotistic and not thinking of the whole team, after all, they do need Sheppard to run the Ancient technology as the others are still afraid and cant concentrate on using the technology.

Production wise, isnt the bug the same as in "Bane" only without wings? lol.

Posted by: dorien Aug 4th 2004, 7:37 PM

I liked the "stuck in the gate" idea for this episode. It was done in such a way that it gave the show a bit of originality and piqued my interest. This is a scenario that couldn't be done with SG-1. And that's nice to see. The ending, however, was classic Stargate SG-1. Everyone gathered round the injured person in the infirmary. But the idea works.

It's just too bad that the attractive cast of characters have absolutely no charisma. Sheppard telling the panicked McKay to "stop using his mouth and start using his brain"...that was funny in how truly awful the line was delivered. Weir's confrontation with the ego scientist...she tried very hard to project authority. And that was the problem. The effort was painful to watch and wasn't believable. Ford came across as twitchy, hopped up on something and playing "soldier" as he guided the pilot towards the gate. And Teyla...well, she had nothing to do.

No charisma.

Posted by: ted_simple Aug 4th 2004, 9:12 PM

Posted by: kronos1 Aug 5th 2004, 10:38 AM

I will have to agree with some of you about Dr Weir, I do not like her so far.Something about her I just can not stand.

Posted by: Bowley Aug 5th 2004, 1:26 PM

This really has nothing to do with this specific episode, I just wondered how long the writers will take for the Wraith to realize that these people are in the city of Atlantis. The only tell tale signs I can see for the Wraith to realize this is:

1. The obvious use of the Stargate by the Atlantis crew, which the Wraith have witnessed.
2. The posession of and use of specific Ancient technology(which mostly requires a gene), such as the puddle jumper and in the premiere, that locator device.

I mean if the Wraith get any inkling that the people are coming from Atlantis and go to invesitage...everyone in Atlantis is screwed.

I would hope that our "heroes" first priority would be to get some kind of device that will power the shields for Atlantis. The ones that kept the water at bay when it was submerged. Maybe even find some kind of lost Ancient cache somewhere in the pegasus galaxy (which is the most likely to happen), and get a few zpms.

Just food for thought. Talk amongst yourselves

Posted by: IndyJan Aug 5th 2004, 1:35 PM

Posted by: chelstia Aug 7th 2004, 12:29 AM

For an episode that involved being stuck in the stargate I was actually on the edge of my seat more than I thought I would be. They did a really good job with this episode I'd give it a 8.5 outta 10.
And as for everyone complaining about them not being as connected as a team I totally disagree. It's like only the fourth episode and so far I'm already caught up with these charactors. I really hated McKay when I first saw him and now I find the guy hilarious.

Posted by: docfred Aug 7th 2004, 2:55 PM

It was a smart move, although I was disappointed that Beckett didn't even think to try putting the CHOCOLATE on the bug. I thought they were going to try everything. Chocolate is poisonous to dogs, so why not life-sucking bugs? (taujin)

Although the idea would be to try everything but in the case of chocolate, it is posionous to dogs if ingested and the amount is typically greater than a chocolate bar (that amount could cause diarrhea). Although I agree in that why not try it on the life sucking bug, it unfortunatly is not truly practical in that the bug's "mouth" is firmly attached to sheppard's neck and having sheppard ingest the chocolate to basically go to the bug would take a consider amount of time.

Anyway. After watching the episode (only seen once) I was wondering did the bug start to swell when salt and water were applied? or was I imagining things

Posted by: Ehzarhorden Aug 7th 2004, 4:22 PM

If you mean the Theobromine in chocolate...well, I suppose it's worth a try, but I really can't see how that would help fend off a carnivorous insect. Theobromine is only toxic to dogs because they can't metabolize it as quickly as we can.

A bug is hardly a dog.

Posted by: gatenut Aug 8th 2004, 4:16 PM

love the line dr Weir we got a cling on

8 outta 10

Posted by: Thor's Stylist Aug 15th 2004, 10:47 AM

Brilliant episode, one question, why did they use the alarm SFX from Goldeneye (N64 game)?

Posted by: mithwriter Aug 15th 2004, 11:00 AM

Posted by: stargatefreak Aug 23rd 2004, 5:36 PM

I liked this episode a lot. I'm really enjoying Stargate Atlantis so far.

I think that something's up between Weir and Sheppard. I think that would be really weird like the Jack/Sam thing in SG1, where one is a superior.

I really liked when Weir told that guy off in the middle of the episode. He was really being pompus and he needs to be sent to a planet like she threatened!!

Atlantis has really impressed me so far and I can't wait for the rest of the season.

Posted by: striderwho Oct 26th 2004, 11:02 AM

This is one of the best episodes of Stargate I've seen, period, doesn't matter what spin-off. In terms of Atlantis, its one of the few that I've seen the team work as a team, Sheppard not making a dodgy decision, tension in Atlantis, and Weir throw some clout as a leader. It worked really well for me and kept me watching rabidly, although I cracked up when the jumper first got lodged.

Is it just me or was that the dumbest thing I've ever seen... this pasta piece stuck in a ring.... thankfully it all worked out.

And Sheppard gets his shirt cut off ! That's got to be good! Oh yeah, and it was the first episode that had the least number of plot holes. I've riddled the other eps like Swiss cheese...

Posted by: MajikthizeII Nov 3rd 2004, 6:48 AM

Wow, that was good!

Loved the tension. Episode starts out with them running and it just doesn't let up. Whoever came up with the idea of the gate staying open for only 38 minutes (and, yeh, I know that was something from SG1's mythology) was a bloody genius. This mean the entire episode runs in almost real time, and this works so well because the audience are keeping right there with them. For instance when that poncy ponytailed bloke was sniping at Weir and she's telling him to get back to work, I was practically screaming at him to do the same. Didn't he know our heros are about to die?!

Mckay, as before was excellent. I love his nervous tension, but I love the way he figured it out in the end. He's getting quite good at saving the day. By fa my favourite character at the moment.

Weir came across as throroughly unlikeable to me. Yes, so they were not going to give up, but that doesn't mean you can't let the Athosians do what they feel is right too. She's going to have to learn respect for other cultures if she's going to lead them. I think we were supposed to empathise with her character here, and realise that she's struggling to cope with pressure sometimes, but she's not really likeable enough for me to have any empathy for her at the moment.
She did have a nice little scene at the end with Sheppard though. Did I detect a hint of something slightly affectionate going on there? Well, there was I thinking they'd be going down the Teyla/Sheppard route and all!

The bug on Sheppard was crap. Sorry but it looked like some cheapo plastic Hallowe'en style thing that you get in the local pound shop. I've never seen a good Sci Fi bug, so they should steer well clear of doing episodes involving them. The plot point was a good one though, and added bucketloads to the tension.

Apart from that I thought it was a top episode.

Posted by: ali Nov 3rd 2004, 11:52 AM

That was a great episode. I'm already watching for the third time since last night
I can't believe they've never done an episode with something getting stuck in the gate before. It's such a good idea! The tension in it was great and I'm really liking all the characters in it.
And I do like Weir. I know she's not coming across as "likeable" as Majikthize put it, but for some reason I still like watching her scenes and I like her character. It's kinda annoying the way she doesn't seem to move her head when she's talking though...
How annoying was that Kavannagh guy?! Being more concerned about being embarassed in front of his team than the lives on board the Jumper... I hope something nasty happens to him.

My favourite character at the moment is Beckett, with Mckay close behind. His accent is just so cool. And Mckay's neurotic paranoid ramblings were fantastic.

"I'm sorry. It's just...I react to certain doom in a certain way. It's a bad habit."

Edit: Is it bad that I'm enjoying Atlantis more than Stargate this year?

Posted by: Dafmeister Nov 3rd 2004, 1:41 PM

Posted by: invisible painting Nov 3rd 2004, 3:46 PM

Well it was a very good episode, lots of tension and it worked really well!! From the start it was a brilliant episode and kept that up. Was better than SG1 this week by far but nothing wrong with SG1s episode but this was soo much better.
So far atlantis has been very good and apart from the third episode the series as been top quality so far. (The third episode just wasnt as good as the rest, but nothing really wrong with it, bit dull)
I still prefere SG1 to this though though this is still very good, but sg1 i know more and has had a better season so far in my opinon, sg1 hasnt gone down in quality its great. Anyway...
I guess the bug did look a little crappy but it was designed to be stuck and not move much it wouldnt look good.
And theres nothing wrong with likeing atlantis more or enjoying it more everybodies choice, but i still like sg1 more nad am enjoying that loads.

Posted by: Parmenides Nov 4th 2004, 7:52 AM

Hee! I was half-expecting a MacGuyver-esque moment when Beckett was being told what items they had lying around!

People I like so far:

Weir - she had a really tough job to do in this latest episode, in a very short time frame, and she had all these eediots coming up to her and wasting her 39 minutes! The horror! Plus, to be fair, she is a civilian and hasn't had much experience as a leader of such an important base.

Teyla - I do like her, but more needs to be done with her...

Sheppard - woot! Rock on!

McKay - although I did prefer him when he popped up in SG-1...he seems to have gotten fatter and pastier...

Beckett - didn't really like him at first, but he's beginning to grow on me...hope he doesn't revert into his goofy-like state of the pilot. He does Scotland proud!

Gateroom Comm Dude - he's just suave, and he really seems to know what he's doing!

Czech Scientist - very dedicated, hope he returns in later episodes.


People I don't like so far:

Ponytail man - dieeeeeeeeeeeeee!! The greasy ponytail just added to his annoying image!

Ford - very blah...he just seems like the token soldier guy, to complement Sheppard...

Did I mention how much I hate the non-military uniforms? I HATE THE NON-MILITARY UNIFORMS! The colourful lapels make me want to wretch...WRETCH!

I thought it was a very good episode...but then again, I'm easy to please - I don't complain about SGA or SG-1 until I come here and read what other people have said! I just let the good times roll on...they end soon!!

The series really needs to gain some momentum...the next two episodes need to be about:

i) encountering the Wraith again and finding out more about them
ii) exploring a planet (with non-annoying, non-primitive locals ) which has nothing to do with the Wraith...

...although not necessarily in that order...

Posted by: Orta Nov 7th 2004, 1:17 PM

One thing that popped into my mind was that how do we know the Atlantis gate would shut down after 38 minutes? These gates are slightly different so how do we know the time scales were going to be the same to the Milkyway Galactic ones we're using?

Posted by: Parmenides Nov 7th 2004, 1:57 PM

The only real differences are aesthetic - the same laws of wormhole travel would apply, methinks!

Who knows, they probably even tested this sort of thing "in between" episodes...

Posted by: puseyuk Nov 7th 2004, 5:25 PM

Posted by: stargatesweetie Nov 9th 2004, 4:47 PM

I'm enjoying Atlantis immensely even with the inclusion of a crappy plastic fly attached to Sheppard's neck. Obviously we are catching on to this though as Nik said after about half an hour " why don't they just kill him and then the bug will go onto someone else/drop off?"! Still, that scenario does seem very familiar ie killing your colleague so as to save him/her can anyone enlighten me?
I still quite like Weir she hasn't really done anything yet to annoy me.

Posted by: puseyuk Nov 11th 2004, 1:13 PM

Posted by: wack Nov 22nd 2004, 10:09 AM

Stupid episode the actor who plays Dr Wiers should really get some acting lessons. She was struggling to go through even the briefest scene.


McKay - Parmenides is right he is getting fat. Still he had the best acting there. Ford came second.

Posted by: 38 Minutes Nov 25th 2004, 12:39 PM

I really enjoyed the episode, I havent seen that type of story before so it was good. (8)
Although I think Ford would get sucked into space when he was holding on to the ship!! I dont see how you could hold on for even a few seconds, ok maybe i'm going to far.

Maybe the pony tail guy will go against the Atlantis crew on a mission and turn evil and join maybe one of the other civilisations.

Give Atlantis time and i'm sure Sheppard and his team will bond like SG1. Remember it is Season 1.

Posted by: Seshat Dec 3rd 2004, 9:39 AM

I loved this ep!!

I watched bout 3 times already n I can't wait for wen it comes out on DVD. That will be my months allowance gone! D'oh

It was good when Dr weir kicked that guys ass and it had me in suspense most of the time (when I wasn't cracking up) this is turning out to be good sereis

but whoever said this reminded them of another ep/movie/startrek or sumthin I aggree it definately has sumthing familiar about the plot sumwhere

sheppard is really funny sumtimes tho I don't no weather this was surposed to be funny but when he says;

'don't talk to me about screwed!' was quite funny

Emma x x x

( love this smiley thingy too)

Posted by: richie Dec 7th 2004, 9:52 PM

Funky Alien Bug

Posted by: JonasFan Dec 20th 2004, 11:02 AM

Posted by: ftt Jan 5th 2005, 1:44 PM

even though i know that they are going to make it (becuse it wouldn't be a show if they didn't) i was still worried about them and that is how i know that it is an less great episode is well acted

Posted by: BrandonTheGreat Jan 13th 2005, 8:06 PM

Dr. McKay's panics is what makes this episode good.

Dr. Kavanagh's situation also makes this one of the best episodes along with the tight fear of the 38 minute time limit.

Posted by: Christy Jan 18th 2005, 12:51 AM

i really can not see Weir and Shepperd getting together...she looks old...they would have to be close in age though, wouldn't they?

Posted by: frostychocolatemilkshakes Jan 26th 2005, 12:04 AM

Well I sure wouldn't want one of those creepy insects sticking out of my neck!

We learn in a later EP that those insects blended with humans to create the wraith.

That gives me chills. Maybe snakes aren?t so bad.

Posted by: Dafmeister Jan 31st 2005, 9:01 AM

Well I sure wouldn't want one of those creepy insects sticking out of my neck!

We learn in a later EP that those insects blended with humans to create the wraith.

That gives me chills. Maybe snakes aren?t so bad.

Posted by: Christy Apr 9th 2005, 2:24 AM

Geez...Ford needs to get a life, he seems so weird in this episode.
I find this a big problem because this is the only episode so far that he's had a role of sorts where he is talking a lot and he just didn't do that greater job of it.

Kavanagah...what a piece of ass! he, in my opinion, needs to get a girlfriend, maybe then he won't be in such a bad mood.
I don't really like his character but he's been given the role which is meant to be like that and so i really can not fault his acting.

for an episode based in a puddle jumper this was pretty good.

Posted by: General Jen Apr 15th 2005, 6:20 PM

i really liked this episode 9/10

sheperd is soo cool, he my is favourite in atlantis, and even though i knew he would survive i was still worried and that it really great acting.

this ep is best atlantis ive seen

that pony-tailed guy is such a big loser

Posted by: scjon Apr 15th 2005, 7:24 PM

I liked this episode a lot. Great acting and an element of suspense (even though you knew things would be ok really, but they'd have to be in jeopardy until the last possible minute!)

And I still want to know what Sheppard really wanted to say to Weir when he thought he was dying..

Posted by: Christy Apr 21st 2005, 8:05 AM

I think thats what makes it suspencful, the fact that we don't know what sheppard was going to say to Weir and that gives it this special element like in SG-1's Window of Opportunity where we don't know the question which Daniel kept asking O'neil.
So it's all good.

But it also keeps us guessing because, to me, it seems like Sheppard was going to say something to Weir which would have touched her heart. Maybe something romantic or something like that, i'm not really sure.

Posted by: Teyla Emmagan May 9th 2005, 12:48 PM

I found this screen caps I can't remeber everything to this ep . and I missed the ending , but what's up with this ...Teyla looks like she's in "Earth" like wear . I swear I have a shirt like this .

http://sg-atlantis.org/caps/season1/thirtyeightminutes/1x04_929.jpg

Posted by: Dafmeister May 9th 2005, 3:29 PM

I found this screen caps I can't remeber everything  to this ep . and I missed the ending , but what's up with this ...Teyla looks like she's in "Earth" like wear . I swear I have a shirt like this .

http://sg-atlantis.org/caps/season1/thirtyeightminutes/1x04_929.jpg

Posted by: Christy May 18th 2005, 7:35 AM

she also wears her athosian uniform sometimes...not often...i don't really like that top that wears, the one with thread going from the top down the the bottom giving it a rippling/tightening affect, for me that is just unflattering.

Posted by: JohnSheppard May 18th 2005, 7:41 AM

Then again if I had a figure like hers I'd get away with wearing whatever the heck I liked!!


I love this episode, it asks so many questions. And it's always good to see Shep's bare chest...

Posted by: Christy May 21st 2005, 8:53 PM

even though i am female i have to say that women who have noticeavle abs...like muscly abs make me cringe...it's really weird because they look unnatural...but Rachel's abs are nice because it's toned and she hasn't made them into muscles.

Posted by: Seshat Jun 1st 2005, 8:19 AM

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This was my all time fave episode!.....I liked the whole 'flashback' thing ....I wonder what sheppard was going to tell wier? actually I think it was better that he didn't because otherwise it could be awkward later... maybe.....

Emma x x

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Jun 1st 2005, 9:08 AM

This episod egave alot of insight into the stargate itself, and how some of the inner working actually work (ie the EH and all). It was VERY well done in my opinion.

Posted by: ninjamara Jun 30th 2005, 12:00 AM

I really liked this episode, though the bug seemed rather funny...it just looked too fake for me!! I really liked all the techno babble explanantions about the gate, because I was also thinking that they could just jump through and wait for it to close......they dispelled that idea pretty quickly.
Overall it had some good tension and even though you know they're going to be ok, you still sit there in suspense.
Hey why is everyone discussing the characers bodies now.....?
Shep isn't that hot! (hehehe I know I'm gonna cach some flack for that!)

Posted by: Erised Jul 8th 2005, 10:16 AM

oh wow... an idea from '48 hours'

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Jul 8th 2005, 10:19 AM

I wouldn't say "from" 48 hours. It takes questions raised in 48 hours and explains them. So similar story concept, but different scenario and different gate-theory problems.

Posted by: anika Aug 10th 2005, 1:07 PM

I'm kinda the same over here. It just isn't the same! Jack, Sam, Teal'c, Daniel.... its like they disappeared out of nowhere. One of the big reasons why I liked SG-1 was  the friendship between them, but Atlantis doesn't do a very good job showing it. I did like this Atlantis episode better than the others so far. I think Atlantis has..... a lot more fantasy involved. The SGC was a lot more realistic to me, and Stargate Atlantis is a realy different. Anyways, for some reason this episode of Atlantis was good, it was funny and a little tense. The other episodes really didn't appeal to me. They were just..... boring. I don't know about you guys but its really going to suck when SG-1 ends.

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Aug 10th 2005, 1:11 PM

i agree. this 38 minutes ep remind me of the time bellana torres got an insect around her neck as well 

Posted by: Dafmeister Aug 13th 2005, 7:22 AM

Who??

Posted by: usmctech99 Aug 13th 2005, 7:26 AM

She was a character on one of the Star Trek shows.

Posted by: stargate_addict Aug 19th 2005, 11:48 PM

Yeah we could use super sokers full of salt water and kill the wraith Remember the movie signs had the stupidist ending, they came half way accross the galaxy to get killed by water, Earth is 70% full of water.

Posted by: cosmos Oct 9th 2005, 3:56 AM

Remember the movie signs had the stupidist ending, they came half way accross the galaxy to get killed by water, Earth is 70% full of water.

Posted by: starryeyes Nov 10th 2005, 11:37 PM

Great episode. That creature attached to Sheppard also reminded me of the Drakh creature attached to Londo in Babylon 5. This was easier to kill though. I think both Teyla and Sheppard are my favourite characters in this series so far. I agree with what someone else said, that ponytailed guy is sure a jerk.
And MacKay, talk about saving the day just in the nick of time.

Posted by: Andorian15 Nov 12th 2005, 12:30 AM

I dont understand something. Some objects were pulled through the gate. Daniel's funeral thingy, and a bunch of other stuff. Why not the jumper?

Posted by: Dafmeister Nov 12th 2005, 6:57 AM

I dont understand something. Some objects were pulled through the gate. Daniel's funeral thingy, and a bunch of other stuff. Why not the jumper?

Posted by: Auntie Em! Nov 12th 2005, 10:42 AM

Daf I think he means after McKay got the engine pods retracted. The PJ just sat there without moving. Why did it not get sucked through than. My guess. It was not exciting for it to suddenly and quietly slide through.

I thought they said in "Watergate" that the EH actually has a slight repelling field to it. Like the meniscus of the top layer of water. It is what enables bugs to stand on water.

Posted by: Saffron Dec 8th 2005, 12:41 PM

I am just now starting the DVD set for Atlantis Season 1...didn't watch it while it was on. This may only be the third epi I've seen but I have to say I'm liking it.

I have to say McKay has quite endeared himself to me and this episode cinched it. One moment I wanted to knock his teeth out and the next I wanted to hug him and tell him everything would be ok. Is he always like that?

Posted by: Dafmeister Dec 8th 2005, 12:45 PM

Posted by: blackbelt83 Jan 30th 2006, 12:49 AM

you would think that the ancients made the stargte and the jummper they would have some kind of safty sys to prevent just that. I dont get it why the wairth would just walk away you think it would either feed on him to or at least make shure that shepard would die

Posted by: Dafmeister Jan 30th 2006, 11:05 AM

The Ancients couldnt have created a safety system to protect against that happening because it happened due to the damage systained by the Jumper.

Posted by: blackbelt83 Mar 6th 2006, 12:49 AM

I watched this ep. Again and I know it has some important info about the wraith in it but I just dint think it was great it was ok. I found it boring in some places.

Posted by: tacit Mar 24th 2006, 8:06 AM

Can anyone lip read? About 6 minutes in, when Weir asks how they got stuck in the event horizon and before Ford answers, we can hear Rodney says 'Engine Pods'. There are more words before that that seem to be muted out. What did he say?

Anyone?

Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 24th 2006, 9:09 AM

He doesnt say anything before it. He is just sighing because he is losing patience.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Mar 24th 2006, 9:39 AM

Here if you ever want to know what a person says in an Episode just go here and read the transcript for the scene.

http://wiki.stargate-sg1-solutions.com/index.php/Main_Page


Lots and lots of cool stuff there as well. Enjoy.

Posted by: thefirstone Apr 16th 2006, 9:58 AM

I liked this epi, I think David Hewlett is great actor when Mckay is doomed.

Posted by: Tex Nov 11th 2007, 11:54 PM

Ok i don't know if this was talked about but and if it was oops but in The Torment of Tantalus in season one of sg1 Dr. Ernest Littlefield is shown going in the stargate with a air line hooked to his suit and when the gate is closed the tube is cut but he is ok on the far side of the gate so it seems that the writers have changed the rules of the gate or the front of the ship should come out on the far side of the gate when it closed.

Posted by: Revan Nov 12th 2007, 12:22 AM

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