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Posted by: Arcady Jul 16th 2004, 12:06 AM

Episode 2 - Rising (Part Two)
Air Date: (US) July 16, 2004

A new Stargate team embarks on a dangerous mission to a distant galaxy, where they discover a mythical lost city -- and a deadly new enemy
(Part 2 of 2.)

http://www.sg1archive.com/atlantis/s1.shtml#102 | http://www.sg1archive.com/teasers/atlantis_trailer.html | http://www.sg1archive.com/teasers/atlantis_101.html

(This topic is for people who have seen the episode to discuss it. If you don't want to be spoiled, don't read this topic.)

Posted by: JRW1891 Jul 16th 2004, 9:44 PM

OK ... and they didn't bring Zats why????

Posted by: Firefly Jul 16th 2004, 10:01 PM

Very promising show. Very promising indeed.

Posted by: infra172 Jul 16th 2004, 10:03 PM

Even with Zats, SG-1 still uses rifles.

This episode was great! FRANCHISE FRANCHISE FRANCHISE! Star Trek is dead! Long live Stargate! These episodes rocked! Give Atlantis a season and it'll be better than SG-1!

Posted by: Lord_MiL Jul 16th 2004, 10:04 PM

I agree. Absolutely GREAT!!!!

I'm going back to the other room to watch it again. PEACE OUT!!

Posted by: Jackal Guards Rule Jul 16th 2004, 10:06 PM

Great episode. Those squid drones are so cool, I want one. I also like the forcefield Iris and when the three ships rammed into it. Overall I think this is a great spinoff already, and while it is good it will never surpass SG-1.

Posted by: delijoe Jul 16th 2004, 10:09 PM

Feels like Stargate: Deep Space Nine... definitely feels like a Star Trek ripoff so far....

The reason I like Stargate is the fact that it takes place in the modern world, and that we're fighting aliens with modern technology as well as adapting their technology to ours...essentially that we're the underdogs right from the start...

But with all this high tech ancient tech, it's no longer that way....and if you tell me these stupid wraith killed the ancients.....

Also so far I don't like the new Dr. Weir (why didn't they keep Jessica Steen?!?!) and Shepherd just doesn't stand out yet...I just thought the acting was poor overall...

And worst of all, so far there is no O'Neill type character...

It seems like Stargate has turned into a Star Trek bastard child, and I don't like it one bit

Posted by: wheeloftimefan Jul 16th 2004, 10:12 PM

Posted by: wheeloftimefan Jul 16th 2004, 10:17 PM

Posted by: delijoe Jul 16th 2004, 10:21 PM

Okay so it's Star Gate: Deep Space Voyager....

Essentially it just doesn't feel like Stargate anymore...maybe I'm just a traditionalist, but IMO the acting is sub par, the bad guys are NOT as scary or as well done as the hype led them to believe...and the whole life-stealer thing has been done numerous times before...

It's just alot of deja-vu where as SG-1 always manages to keep things relatively unique, cliche villains aside...

Posted by: Ronnie Jul 16th 2004, 10:25 PM

good episode...

But i one thing i found funny can anyone tell me why when Dr.Wier made that tape to tell simon who ever he is that she is leaving...Is the same person that plays noreem(spelling?) of the Tolan

Posted by: Jackal Guards Rule Jul 16th 2004, 10:26 PM

I did like some of the humor in it, like towards the end when mcay is eating the chicken and he says "This tastes like lemon" or something similiar I didnt catch it. Hopefully Mcay will be the humor of the group because a show that doesn't make me laugh is rarely intresting to me.

Posted by: Teyla Jul 16th 2004, 10:29 PM

i really like shepherd such a hottie. maybe what i like best is i came in late on sg-1 and don't understand some of it, this is a new galaxy and a new beginning for me... so i'm just as clueless as the team. i didn't like weir at first but i'm warming to her. LOVE the scottish guy. the team's def going to be shepherd, teyla, the scottish guy and prob that guy that was in the ship with shepherd. but exactly why do they think rifles and shotguns will do any good against advanced aliens? and are humans supposed to have evolved from the ancients, then? then what about apes? and why didn't the wraith find earth? too far away?

Posted by: RJLCyberPunk Jul 16th 2004, 10:36 PM

I think the show has a lot of promise, personally I liked the pilot a lot, and as for them being stranded that will probably last until the 2nd season comes along.

Posted by: Faithhammer Jul 16th 2004, 11:01 PM

Posted by: soma_momma Jul 16th 2004, 11:05 PM

Pretty good. Reminiscent of the new Battlestar Galactica. Wondered if they borrowed some sets/sfx.

A lot of Biblical symbolism instead of Egyptian.
Sort of like the Ark. And others I'd have to watch again to recall.

So Shepherd was court martialed or something back on Earth for saving his buddies against orders. Or did they die anyway? I didn't get that. And so when he goes against Weir's judgement, he evidently winds up opening the whole can of worms--literally.

Posted by: Sousuke Jul 16th 2004, 11:07 PM

Posted by: NemesisDesignz Jul 16th 2004, 11:21 PM

Posted by: Lord_MiL Jul 16th 2004, 11:42 PM

Yes, it was revealed recently that it is the same actor who played Narim of the Tollan. I believe it was in the news section on Gateworld. :-)

"I was thinking about a nice turkey sandwich"

"....It was worth a try"

Posted by: Natoma Jul 17th 2004, 12:06 AM

At least one thing sets this spinoff above the Star Trek: TNG spinoffs. Atlantis and SG1 are working in tandem. Voyager and DS9 cannibalized one another.

Other than that, my description of Atlantis, in a single word: Wow.


I will DEFINITELY be watching this series. With Atlantis in tow, I can honestly see this franchise going for years and years and years. I dreaded the spinoff curse, but this is simply unbelievable. Great start..

Posted by: Symbiotes R Us Jul 17th 2004, 12:10 AM

Posted by: Doomgoggles Jul 17th 2004, 1:22 AM

Definitely surpassed my initial expectations. Didn't have as much action as I thought it would, but it made up for that with humor, great character moments, and VFX, as well as some of the best original music Joel Goldsmith has come up with.

Minor disappointments: The sense of awe that should have been felt when arriving at the lost city wasn't quite as powerful as I'd hoped...

The tall native guy who's son was running around in the woods. He was in Season 7's Revisions.

Mckay and the Scottish dude were great...Weir is growing on me. Sheppard is cool...Ford has potential... Teyla...I don't think we've seen the best of her yet; heard she's supposed to be a great hand-to-hand fighter.

Overall, I'm very impressed. I suppose all we can do though is watch and see how the season progresses...

Posted by: Mitch_Conner Jul 17th 2004, 1:46 AM

delijoe. Please stop watching Stargate. Please don't make anymore posts. Ever. If you're gonna be an ass, you can't play, get it? The acting was good. Also, you said you didn't like Shepard, and you said you wanted an "O'Neill" type character. You kind of sound like a dumbass. O'Neill and Shepard are respectively similiar. Use the search, find the discussion board on this topic. That also goes for you people arguing Star Trek. The episode was great, I'm watching next week for sure.

Posted by: Belissner Jul 17th 2004, 2:23 AM

Rising Parts 1 and 2 were good eye candy. I did enjoy watching them. However, this crew is inheriting all the Ancient's toys for their toybox -- don't need to work hard to get any of them, except to figure out what they do and then use them. The "genetic" knowledge wrinkle made it too easy, in my opinion.

Look what Jack had to endure TWICE just to find an ally for Earth (the Asgard), and to protect Earth from Anubis! I won't even mention how many times SG-1 and/or the Asgard have had to bail each other out of trouble!

Look how hard SGC and SG-1 had to work to get anything! They had to claw, scratch, fight for, die for, and work their asses off -- for 7 years -- just to get any kind of advantage over their multitudinous enemies -- including their own people (Kinsey, Simmons, the NID). They had to learn everything from a state of total ignorance. And in Season 8, Jack and the rest of the SGC still won't have the advantages of an "Atlantis" to help them with Baal and the other baddies in our galaxy.

Best Example: The Atlanteans (Weir and party) just inherited a hangar full of beautiful spaceships.

SG-1 had to build the X301, 302, and Prometheus from scratch with some patched together alien technology to help them, and the ships STILL aren't totally reliable or safe or particularly powerful, even with some help from the Asgard -- who are now rebuilding their civilization -- not much time for Earth and its problems for a while, I suspect!

My heart is with SG-1. Let the Atlanteans play with their new toys and fight the Wraith -- they've been given a huge boost by standing on the shoulders of SG-1 and all the hard work done by those heroes.

Posted by: Apophisfangirl Jul 17th 2004, 2:25 AM

If I read the endless talking about how "GREAT" the Atlantis SFX are I really ask me if you people understand that it was a deliberate decision from Bridge to give Atlantis the cool pretty SFX and let Stargate SG 1 look like a piece of junk? SG1 could look as great like Atlantis if they would give the show the same budget as Atlantis!!!! And would SFX are everything the new Vin Diesel movie would have been a hit.

And my opinion about the wraith Sorry they look like something from Space 1999.

Oh and Mr. Conner there is no need to tell me not post any further, I have no intention to do it ( your "friendly little post was the only reason to do it) but I want only say thank you to you because your post helped me to go from
"maybe I will watch it " to "stay away with this crap from me".

Very sad that SG 1 will be cancelled because of it.

Posted by: Doomgoggles Jul 17th 2004, 3:13 AM

Uh, the Atlantis 'rising' scene was the only groundbreaking effect in television special effects in the episode. SG1 has done so much more. Go watch Revelations, Memento, Full Circle, Space Race, Ev. Pt 2, and Lost City: you'll see what I'm talking about.

For the record, its pretty much the same effects team and supervisors.

Posted by: RJLCyberPunk Jul 17th 2004, 6:29 AM

Posted by: PricklyPear Jul 17th 2004, 10:57 AM

......And so the polarization begins! The SG1ers vs. the Atlanteans.

All the harsh rhetoric and stubborn defenses and pit bull attacks on opinions on either show or both; all the insults; all the "you're wacko" comments; all the mutual disgust smeared all over these forums....Can't wait for the sh*t to start piling up.

And then there are the rest of us.....enjoying both shows for what they are.

None of us needs to choose sides, but, alas, there are those of us who will.

Sad, really.

Posted by: Cuokuo Jul 17th 2004, 11:31 AM

I think its still a bit early to tell whether altantis is better, equal or worse than sg1 because we've had 7 seasons to become attached to sg1 and its cast whilst altantis is fresh. Personally i think altantis will be good enough to keep watching every week.

Also, are the bad people (reaths?) suppose to be the people that destroyed the ancients? That was the impression that i was getting from the first to esps but instinct tells me they're not because that means they need to be equally as advanced if not more advanced than the ancients which means finding enough people to feed on/ finding planets in other galaxies to feed on should be easy.

Posted by: kmm39 Jul 17th 2004, 11:31 AM

I found the Atlantis premiere boring. I don't know how much more succinct I could be. The characters also aren't interesting. Sheppard's very good looking and if RDA leaves SG-1 next year I'd like to see Sheppard on SG-1. I know you've got to give a show time to improve and that's what I'll probably do. I was disappointed though because the commercials for Atlantis were better than the show.

Posted by: toddy67 Jul 17th 2004, 11:43 AM

Enjoyed both the openings of SG1 Season 8 and Atlantis.I was somewhat surprised that O'Neill gave in to using the ZPM to power the gate so easily.Surely with Carter's help they could have rigged another Power Amplifier like they used to dial 8 chevrons in The Fifth Race and Point OF View.Anyway assuming the gate has burned out the ZPM they will need to find another way to use the Ancient Outpost.

The Pegasus Galaxy Gates/DHD's look much better than we've seen in the regular series,I suppose in theory each galaxy would have their own network of Stargates.

Posted by: RJLCyberPunk Jul 17th 2004, 12:32 PM

Posted by: Raz Jul 17th 2004, 12:37 PM

BRILLIANT Season Premiere and the visuals was every bit as good as SG-1. The Wraith looks like a good enemy and should keep them occupied throughout the show just as the Goa'uld have in SG-1. I hope however the storylines aren't the same as SG-1 e.g. SG-1 went to a place where the people were dying because of them in One False Step....I hope they don't do the same thing even if they twist the story. Anyway i'm sure that will probably not happen! lol! Love Atlantis!

Posted by: 1969 Jul 17th 2004, 1:15 PM

In the post from Symbiotes R Us regarding Norim as Simon:
[/QUOTE]"This really bugged me! I mean, why not just use the actor who plays Apophis? Norim was a pretty major character, IMO - you can't just use the same actor (who played a well-known other character) to play some other character. To me, that was just Wrong. I mean, if he was just some extra, that's one thing, but NORIM!? "
But otherwise, while in "suspended disbelief" mode and ignoring a few cliches - I enjoyed the show a lot. I'm looking forward to the rest of the season."

I know, but isnt this a way of telling us that the Tollans are really, truly gone? I was hoping Maybe they could have been Ascended somehow. But it was cool seeing Garwin Sanford aka Norim. He looks better now than in other Sg1 episodes I've seen him in.

BUt as far as Atlantis, it was a pretty good show and I liked Sheppard, Weir and Dr Becket-he's really funny. THe rest I dont know, theyll have to grow on me BUT Dr Mckay Is and always will be Soooooo annoying. The only good scene he was in was at the end, talking with Dr Becket and leaving saying "Is there lemon in this?" while eating the stick of chicken.

Yeah PricklyPear! I agree with you regarding enjoying BOTH shows. Can we keep some openmindedness in here for crying out loud??

Posted by: mimi Jul 17th 2004, 2:10 PM

I thought the premiere was great!

The only thing I couldn't accept was that it was Mckay instead of Sam who was connecting the zpm to the gate to give it the extra power. I'm so used to seeing Sam do all that stuff, that if felt weird.

But I read that because of Franchise reasons Sam and Teal'c couldn't be on the show.

I liked the part when Mckay and Weir are on Atlantis and Mckay begins to dial out and he says

Mckay: "Chevron one encoded"...
Weir: "Rodney...."

And Mckay looks sheepish and dials the address quickly, which they can do because they have that cool DHD on Atlantis.

Can't wait for next week

Posted by: mjd Jul 17th 2004, 2:40 PM

why is it that the atlantean team can't gate back home? The gate is active...and i thought that the holigram mentioned something about some of the Ancients retreating back to earth through the gate. And if it is a power issue...how long do you think it will take to find another ZPM...the ancients left their stuff around in our galaxy...there must be a ton of stuff in the Pegasus galaxy!

Posted by: SlavsyaRossiya Jul 17th 2004, 2:46 PM

Maybe, but remember that the Wraith might have took it and destroyed it. Remember how startled that other Wraith woman looked when she saw Shepards ancient gameboy thingy?
So it might be quite a while. Which is fine by me.

I really liked this, and I thihnk this new series have excellent potential. I'm going to look foward to Friday....SG1 and then Atlantis....
I don't think there needs to be any polarisation. Just enjoy both shows for what they are. Its not like someones forcing you to choose and they'll cancel whatever you dont choose, so just sit back and enjoy!

Posted by: xayeidemon Jul 17th 2004, 3:08 PM

Again, because I am extremely lazy and don't feel like breaking my review into two parts, this post is going to cover the entire episode.

So, where to begin? I'll try to make this as short as I possibly can.

Likes:
The first 30 mins with Jack and Daniel--How lovely to see their bantering and eager-beaver Daniel being shot down by Jack
McKay--I LOLed when he wandered off at the end asking if there was lemon in his...what was that, a chicken wing?
Beckett
Sheppard
THE MUSIC!!--Joel Goldsmith, I've built a shrine in my room especially for you.
CGI
Siler--He didn't say much, but he always brings a smile to my face.

Meh:
Ford
Weir--Fortunately, she is starting to grow on me

Dislikes
The last hour and a half of the show
Teyla--Honestly, there's a tree outside in my yard doing a better job of pretending than she is.
Wraith--Not very scary looking, are they?
They killed off Dogget..er...the Colonel guy. See? I don't even remember his name.

I was holding off judgement on this show until I had at least seen the pilot ep. Unfortunately, it looks like this is the only episode I'll be watching. The first 30 minutes were wonderful. After that, I had more fun taking care of my ailing cat. One hour and five minutes into the program, we finally get some action. I understand that exposition is necessary, but does it have to be boring? Because that's what it was, and Urgo said it best.

Weir still doesn't strike me as a strong enough person to lead the Atlantis folks. I'm sure she'll grow a pair later on in the season, but for now, I'm thinking she's too weak.

I still don't see how the Wraith could have wiped out the Ancients. They're not that scary!

TPTB have decided to make the ship less ambiguous by giving John and Teyla some alone time. Normally I would protest, but at least they aren't two military officers under the same command.

Are the Wraith mammalian? I only ask this because the Wraith chick had boobies.

Sighs all around. This show was boring. Boring. BORING. If I ever watch it again, it'll be because of A) I decided to give the show another chance, or B. McKay, Beckett, or Sheppard have some interesing story. Otherwise, count me out of the Atlantis fandom.

Still, I can't wait to start reading the fanfiction that inevitably accompanies a tv show. I wonder if the fans can do it better. Seriously, I've read fanfics that are TONS better that what just came on SciFi last night. And don't even get me started on the slash potential of this show. I'm drooling just thinking about it.

Posted by: Lit Gal Jul 17th 2004, 3:16 PM

Posted by: SlavsyaRossiya Jul 17th 2004, 4:56 PM

And remember: The Wraith still haven't awoken yet (well, they have, but we haven't seen them). The people on the ship were just caretakers for those that were sleeping.
It's unlikely that the caretakers defeated the ancients, but the rest of the wraith might have been able to.

Dont judge atlantis based on the first ep...No offense, but Children of the Gods didn't really get me into Stargate. The acting was kind of offish, things were a little shaky...but thats what happens always when a new series starts. If I had been as quick to judge stargate as some of you have been to judge Atlantis, I never would've gone past that first ep and I never would have seen Stargate for what it really is.

Posted by: Aquila Jul 17th 2004, 5:39 PM

Posted by: Ares Jul 17th 2004, 5:53 PM

Since this was basically one big ep...

I thought it was a good solid opening for the new series. I went in with an open mind and liked what I saw. I will not compare it, on a whole, to SG1, cause if I do that, then I'll hate the show. Unfortunately, too many people are doing that and are saying that Atlantis sucks. Well, then to those people, I say go screw yourself.

Anyways, I really liked the Wraith; definitely more evil and deadly than the Goa'uld(anyone who wiped out the Ancients would be). I also thought the ships were really cool, especially the Wraith dart, that puppy is streamlined! Glad to see that the team brought some heavy firepower as seen with Sheppard's firing of that large gun.

The city looks really nice, and will be super powerful once it's up to speed; I would like to see a lot more of it. I'm glad it won't take just a naquadah generator or two to get that thing up, that would've made it to easy.

All in all, I hope it'll be a great series. No way I'd make a prediction based on the first episode. Call me at the halfway point, that would be a good time to predict how it'll turn out.

Posted by: IceQueen Jul 17th 2004, 6:22 PM

Didn't feel it was a StarTrek bastard child... if anything it's a Star Wars bastard child: "Use the force, Luke, use the force!"

Posted by: That Chevron Guy Jul 17th 2004, 6:35 PM

Wow, what a great pilot, i thought the entire episode was well done.



As for the new gate itself, i gotto say that i like this one better than the original with the digital locks, and blue chevrons. and just the way it dialed was cool!


I definatly look forward to the rest of the first season, and beyond

Posted by: xayeidemon Jul 17th 2004, 6:59 PM

Posted by: dorien Jul 17th 2004, 7:32 PM

Earth's history is ripe for interpretations of alien influence in human development. That's the premise that made Stargate (the movie) so interesting. That's the premise that made SG-1 so interesting. That's the premise that should make Atlantis interesting too.

The reason it may not, however, is that I'm not sold on the premise alone. Or the premise and some cool sfx. I have to be interested in the characters as well. And quite honestly, I'm not. Cliches from central casting present and accounted for.

Taken on it's own, this show just didn't impress me. In fact, I frequently changed the channel. If it were any other new program, that would mean I'd never watch it again. But because this is Stargate related I'll give it a few more chances to do something other than waste my time.

Posted by: soma_momma Jul 17th 2004, 8:24 PM

I agree with those who said it's too soon to tell. I liked the season premier of Andromeda, but it was downhill for me after that.

It seems it takes the quite a few cast members to carry off the equivalent of one RDA's humor. But they are doing it.

I can't understand why a technologically advanced "race" like the Wraith wouldn't have discovered tooth whiteners. You know, like, "takes 14 years off in 2 weeks."

Posted by: spacemonk Jul 17th 2004, 8:46 PM

Posted by: eolithic1500bc Jul 17th 2004, 8:49 PM

Ares is right if you compare the show to SG1 you'll hate but if you look at like you should be doing as if it were a new series you might like it. Most of you are looking at it like its a new season of SG1, look at like its a new series. After this season of sg1 it prob wont be back and then all will have is Atlantis would rather have no stargate or Atlantis. After SG1 has done like ever good plot it will be hard for Atlantis to keep it new. SG1 is already doing an ep called Avatar which sounds similar to The Gamekeeper "they even use the same chairs from The Gamekeeper for Avatar".

I liked the series opener. Thought the sfx were great and the Wraith look wicked.

Posted by: SentinelBorg Jul 17th 2004, 11:00 PM

Great opener. Now lets see what we got on new information:

The Ancient: They evolved on earth some million years ago, spread through our galaxy and then one day took their whole city and moved to pegasus to explore and plant life. Everything worked fine, until they waked up the Wraith. The wrath liked the ancient as food and started raiding their planets. In my opinion the ancient had still better tech, but the wrath outnumbered them, were more aggressive and the ancient didn't know (anymore) how to fight. So the ancient submerged Atlantis and went back to earth. I think, then they started to push up the asgard and founded the great alliance, maybe to be able to one day strike back against the Wraith. But then the plague came and the ancients in our galaxy ascended or wiped out.
But nature on earth made a trick and just evolved the humans a second time (maybe with a push in that direction from the original ancients, before they died out). And now we are back in pegasus to pay some very old duties.

The Wraith: Well, they suck life-energy and sleep most of the time. I assume, that they are a very old culture, maybe older than the ancients. They didn't set up a good fight in this first episode. But hey, as it looks, the ancients are very afraid of them and didn't fought back the last thousands or even tenthousands years. So they are a bit out of training since a long long period of time.

@eolithic1500bc: "Avatar" will be no copy, but a continuation of "The Gamekeeper".

Sentinel

Posted by: Cuokuo Jul 17th 2004, 11:12 PM

ok
so it seems quite clear now that the wraiths did overpower/destroy the ancients....
wouldnt u think that when they ascended they would have paided the wraiths a little visit?

Posted by: SentinelBorg Jul 17th 2004, 11:59 PM

Posted by: eolithic1500bc Jul 18th 2004, 12:13 AM

SentinelBorg
Yeah that sounds good like the Ancients are battleing some other ascended beings or something. Also Avatar is a different episode from The Gamekeeper they even changed the chairs a bit so peons wouldnt notice a similarity, unless of course you reading some spoilers that i dont know about.

Spacemonk
What was wrong with Atlantis. I thougth it was real good and the Wraith are awesome.

I would like to see what kind of mythology they will bring into Atlantis if they do at all. They might just create a whole new mythology to this show though, unless they delve into ancient greek mythology.

I like'd the ending when the Wraiths were going through the gate hit the shield iris. I wonder if they've ever come across that before, and if they might have a device to counter it. They also appear to be able to read minds so cant they get the GDO codes and go through the gate.

Posted by: SentinelBorg Jul 18th 2004, 12:40 AM

Posted by: FoxHound Jul 18th 2004, 3:06 AM

I'm not sure if I liked it a lot , it still has some problems

But, its disturbing to me how similar it was in many areas to Sg-1's primiere.. lemme get some points



I'm sure there are more... it just seems so errie...

only big difference I felt at the end of it was that they were having a barbeque (with what supplies and what food I have NO clue... didn't seem like they brought NEARLY enough supplies)

Posted by: The Doctor Jul 18th 2004, 4:22 AM

An improvement over the first half. I like the puddle jumper and especially the "turkey sandwitch" joke. think the shield is far cooler thasn the iris.

Posted by: fahadwajid Jul 18th 2004, 5:56 AM

i have only one regrets that shepard should have listened to the wraith and colonel's chat about wraith feeding on the humans. i mean the audience knows but the Atlantis team do not. they should have found out what exactly the wraith are. ie that for them humans are only food and not enemy.

Posted by: Ra. Jul 18th 2004, 8:50 AM

Oh... my....God, what a fantastic Premiere, a proper natural progression from SG-1. Shepherd and Mckay has the humour we know and love, Torri Higginson is ideal for the role of Weir and she's also a minx, she is so much better than Jessica Steen from 'The lost City'. Basically the casting director has done a great job.

On the Vamp stuff, after having a snake in your head as the main creepy shite from SG-1, lifesuckers, leeches, parasites or what ever you want to call them seems to me to be a development on the creepy shite.

Posted by: Aquila Jul 18th 2004, 3:21 PM

One cannot be sure they didn't bring zats, just because they haven't been seen or used. But in all likelyhood I agree, I'm guessing the SGC didn't think of sparing any that were available...

Still, I do hope in later episodes the SGC ships some through to them...it would be fun watching one of those hand sucking Freaks (Wraith) get knocked out by one.

I think the comraderie between Ford and Sheppard is really appealing...as well as that of Mckay and Weir...this show is off to a great start folks!

Posted by: Felger Jul 18th 2004, 3:35 PM

An excellent and truly brilliant premiere, however I am going to refrain from comparing the two shows because I am not one of those people who look for problems in a show on every level. Instead I look for entertainment value and Atlantis has it in massive amounts.

Firstly i wish to comment on the humour, it was brilliantly done. Some of my personal favourites are the turkey sandwich joke, Beckett saying "I break things like this" about the command chair and of course the technology naming...so hilarious.

The diversity of the storylines that are possible is amazing and i can't wait to see how the writers use it. Overall it is a magnificent show and I shall continue to watch it along with its fellow magnificent show SG-1.

Posted by: PricklyPear Jul 18th 2004, 3:44 PM

Have thought about Rising, Parts 1 & 2, some more, and what really is grating on my nerves, other than McKay, is that neither of the two key women in the show, playing the two key female leads, have any "edginess" about them.

Teyla and Weir come across as sweet soccer moms with large, sloppy families, who basically keep their cool by dipping into their secret stashes of Prozac!

They don't project any kick-ass style at all! Weir looks like an annoyed librarian, at best; Teyla's little-girl voice seems to be issuing from an SUV loaded with Girls Scouts selling cookies!

Hopefully, they'll exhibit a bit more [insert term] as this series progresses; right now, I'll take Slam-bam Sam over these two any day!

Posted by: Superman07 Jul 18th 2004, 7:49 PM

Personally reading through all of these posts I tend to perfer the lists, so here it goes:

Things I liked:

- I liked Jack and Daniel showing up giving it some grounding
- LOVED the SFX. I wish it had of been on the big screen - Atlantis was overwhelming.
- The wraith keeper lady was trey scary - very with the creepy
- Really liked the contrast of lights and darks
- Looking forward to learning more about the Wraith
- The champaign bottle was a nice touch

So, so:

- Not sure how much I like the Major
- Not sure how much I like Pipin
- Think I liked the old Weir better
- I think I'm split on the new set

Things I did not like:

- As soon as they said the Col was a Marine I knew he was dead, which sucks because I liked him
- Felt they could have given some more backstory to the Anceints (though I'm sure that will follow)
- So Daniel just found out that it was an 8 gate address just like that, eh? I felt there was more buildup at the end of season 6 to what Atlantis was. After they found the outpost on Earth they were like "ohh, this will do just fine."

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Posted by: Superman07 Jul 19th 2004, 11:19 AM

What SlavsyaRossiya said. Sorry if there was any misunderstanding. It was obvious to me that because he was a Marine acting in an Air Force environment that he was going to be killed off. Rather, if he was an Air Force Col and was killed of I would have been a little more surprised.

Posted by: Cemetery Jul 19th 2004, 12:05 PM

Where did they get the address for atlantis anyway? It looked like they just got it frm nowhere.

Posted by: wheeloftimefan Jul 19th 2004, 1:44 PM

Posted by: ---Qetesh--- Jul 19th 2004, 3:56 PM

flippin heck, i havnt posted on here for a while... anyway...the episodes...
(i'll talk bout both parts as i cbb to do 2 posts)

well, i think its generally growing on me, at first i wasnt quite sure what to make of it, i didnt want to get my hopes too high, incase it was a complete flop, but now im thinking give it time and it shud b pretty gd.

jack and daniel were wonderfully funny in the beginining, though i still cant get used to the idea of general o'neill...hmmm
i luved the squiddy weapon thing, thought that was wikid, and the guy who didnt want to sit in the chair was pretty funny.

atlantis set is quite kl, much bigger, which is always good

hmm wraith things...well kinda scary... wudnt like to meet them in a dark alley...
but they just seem like the gou'ld in the way that they use humans( for food, if not 4 slaves) and they hav healing powers, that the symbiote gives to its host, but ok, they can live forever, hmmm pretty hard to kill?!

oo thing that annoyed me, the prison doors where the ppl were kept on the wraith ship were CRAP!! ok so they kinda merged apart when the wraiths came near, but they had massive holes in them, that i could get out of!! i dunno, maybe they were electric or something odd?!

weir is also annoying me,there was this one bad line, like "be safe" after sheppard and his crew went through the gate, and i just thought " woh, cheesy!!!!" ppl just dont say that! i dont think Tori Higginson is as good an actor for weir as Jessica Steen.

luved the bit with mckay and the lemon chicken bit, thought that was wonderful- linking it with an old sg1 ep-quality!!

so yeah, ok, we'll c how the season turns out, fingers crossed !

Posted by: Tanais Jul 19th 2004, 6:11 PM

do any of u know when SGA airs on sky one in the UK bcause u lot talkin bout it makin me kinda itchin 2 c it....

Posted by: midvixen Jul 20th 2004, 4:52 AM

What a cool start to the new series!

Thank the lord they are "cut off" from Earth, they can now develop on their own without hopping back every couple of weeks for SG 1 to sort their problems out!

Yes, everything seemed kind of convenient, the way the ships were left and the equipment etc, but if you're dealing with an advanced race you've got to expect they would have made life as easy as possible for themselves.

It makes quite a nice addition having "Puddle-jumpers". I was getting sick of only having a couple of ships in Earth's fleet.

Sheppard seems to be filling Jack's shoes nicely, dry sense of humour and good wise cracks. "Gate ship 1, you don't get to name anything!"

It's a good assortment of people in Atlantis and who else can spot to potential for Dr Weir and Sheppard to take over where Jack and Sam left off?

Keep it coming, let's kick some serious Wraith butt!!!!!!!

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Albion Jul 20th 2004, 5:54 AM

Okay, I'll admit it. The only reason I tuned in was because I was ticked at losing my weekly fix of SG1 and figured at the very least I'd get some Stargate through the J/D scenes.

Well...I loved it. Every single minute. Jack and Daniel were wonderful of course and I was surprised that they had so much screen time. I especially liked Daniel wanting to go to Atlantis and Jack deadpanning him with a repeated 'No'. LOL. And Jack's "For me - not so much" had me

But I found the Atlantis characters very likeable right from the initial scenes and by the time Jack and Daniel bowed out I was already very fond of them and enjoying myself immensely. The whole thing was fast paced, excellently plotted with engaging characters, funny dialogue and spooky aliens. What more could you want?

I thought the champagne was a very cute touch - one of my favourite moments. I loved the speed dial gate the Ancients had! And the Wraith ships - beautifully elegant but spooky looking and that abduction wave that vanished everyone - eep! I loved McKay starting on the 'chevron locked' procedure and Weir making it clear he should cut it out. I loved the puddle jumpers. Well...basically there wasn't much I didn't love. I could go on for hours listing favourite moments. And I will definitely be tuning in next week.

I even enjoyed the Glaswegian - who I had been absolutely dreading but who wasn't as annoying as I'd feared. I thought he was quite amusing actually.

Just one small thing - is it a universal law or something that all bad guys must clump heavily along ship corridors? I have to admit that I had been expecting the Wraiths to be kind of ethereal and that destroyed them a little for me. After those sleek ethereal ships, I wasn't really expecting them to be wearing jackboots.

But that's a petty complaint. All in all a huge thumbsup from this fan. I don't think it will ever replace SG1 in my heart - but then nothing will. But it's a good secondbest!

Big downside? Now I have to start saving up for Atlantis DVDs as well as SG1.

Posted by: trickmaster500 Jul 20th 2004, 7:56 AM

The way I see it the Atlantis premire was good, and Atlantis can only get better as we meet more of the characters and they get a chance to show of their personality. After all even RDA only really got into the part of O'Neil at the start of Season One. Having said that, the opening of Season 8 off SG1 was also VERY good. I don't see why people are putting the two shows against eachother when they are both equally supreme!


PS: Power to the Scottish guy, hes great!

Posted by: obake Jul 20th 2004, 2:37 PM

I guess I'll go ahead and go the route of making a likes/dislikes list.

Likes:

-Sheppard. He seems like a cool guy with a unique sense of humor, which is nice.
-McKay. I dunno, I just like him, I guess.
-Atlantis design. Overall, much better than I expected. I thought it was going to come off as too futuristic, and although I like the military look of SG-1 better, this is nice too.
-Overall potential. I think this could be a great series; it just needs some time to develop its own personality.

Dislikes:

-Weir. She's growing on me, but I liked the old actress so much better than this one. We'll see.
-Ford. He seems like he's just there, not really doing anything. But again, this was the premiere, so I'm sure there'll be plenty of character development.
-Wraith. The Goa'uld are so much better bad guys than these; they have much more personality. The Wraith, all they do is eat people. In addition, the name "wraith" isn't alien, which kinda bugs me. "Goa'uld" sounds alien. "Tokra" sounds alien. "Jaffa" sounds alien. "Wraith" doesn't. A good rule of thumb: if it's in the dictionary, then don't use it as the name of an alien race.
-WHY are they using regular weapons? Since they can't bring anything more from Earth, they're going to eventually run out of ammo completely. They should have at least grabbed some of those Wraith weapons so they have something that they can stockpile.

And on a random note, some people have been wondering why the Atlantis team can kill the Wraith with regular bullets when the Ancients couldn't do crap. Simple answer, bullets are new to the Wraith, and they haven't seen them before, so they don't know how to defend against them. Remember in SG-1 when they were helping the Asgard against the Replicators? The shotguns and projectile weapons of Earth worked where the energy weapons of the Asgard. Thor even said something to the effect that the Asgard were too smart to figure out how to fight the Replicators.

Posted by: CitizenK Jul 20th 2004, 3:29 PM

I watched the Rising last night and on the whole, I thought it was pretty decent. I can't really judge how the show will be over all from just one two hour pilot. But, I think it has potential.

Unfortunately, I do think Major Sheppard is way too much like Colonel O'Neill. I think I would have liked an entirely different personality leading the new away teams. This just seems alittle too much like SG-1.

Now, I guess I'm surprized no one else has mentioned this... but, boy... didn't that lady wraith look exactly like Marilyn Manson ? At least, I certainly saw a resemblence when I saw her step out of the shadows.

I'm really bummed they had to kill off Colonel Sumner. I think having some tension between him and Major Sheppard would have made for some really good stories. As it stands now, Major Sheppard is going to be nothing more than O'Neill-Lite. But, that's my own personal opinion.

All in all... I think Atlantis should be good. And I still think the wraiths look like the backup singers for Marilyn Manson.

Posted by: Colonel_O'Neill Jul 20th 2004, 5:01 PM

First of all srry mods for writing my thoughts in the wrong place!!! Ive taken the text from my wrongly placed thread!



Hmm. the pilot is 130 minutes, is that correct? The end of the tv movie, we see our characters celebrating their succes of Atlantis+a new friendship.

Now to the Atlantis. First of all i was very sceptic when i heard about this in the first place. But when we heard Jackson said: "We Can go to Atlantis"and the beatiful music kicked in i was sold

When we see RDA we hear a beatiful synth theme, same thing when they are flying in the chopper!

I loved to see RDA once more . Now somehow ive only seen season 7 (50%) so i really don?t know how he wen?t from Colonel to General+what happened to Hammond? But i have the pilot of season 8, so ??ll find out soon...

Once agian, i love the main theme, please tell me they will use it in the next episodes?

Strangely i couldn?t see Carter noir Tealc???? WHY???? They?ve been on sg-1 since 1997!!!!

Anyways, it was nice to see a character from sg-1 return to Atlantis, computer geek himself

Aw, i won?t say to much!

Things i liked:

*RDA
*Michael Shanks
*Tealc, Carter?????
*Robert Patrick in the show
*Music
*Great Acting
*Wraits (looks cool, but i thought i was weird their leader died so easily)
*Adam Baldwin not on the show, thank god

Things i don?t like:

*RDA Not appeared in the end of the pilot
*THis is important, weapons handling....noone i repeat noone of the so called "soliders" know how to handle a weapon. I always liked sg-1 because they gave their weapons the kinda respect they reserve. In Atlantis they just wave them like toys or as sheppard did, point them as rambo (big gun in the end, saw?) (hated that) Military guys should know how to handle weapons right?
*Wrait leader died to easily+killed by a human
*Robert Patrick not returning
*Sheppard trying to be smarter/cooler than he is (actor needs to cool down if you ask me) Get confidence like Rda, grow. Don?t be someone you?re not!!, otherwise good actor

Things i didn?t get:

*Elizabets husband? That guy from the alien planet in sg-1 or another character???
*Tealc, Carter?
*Weapons handling, why did it go wrong?
*Wraits seemed powerful, yet their leader died to fast???
*Will other characters from sg-1 return? Like Thor?

AN IMPORTANT QUIZ: WHY DIDNT RDA RETURN IN THE END OF THE PILOT? Will season 8 say goodbye to our lovely characters from sg-1?

As you can see i love this show, and i hope it will be on air for many years
I just hope they fix the weapon issue in upcoming episodes+make the wraits more menacing. This sounds promising lads and gals, maybe it will become as popular as sg-1 is

Same time im a bit sad, i remeber the first time i watched sg-1, and now it?s going to end , But i love they carry on the legacy with a spinoff

I could say much more, but im to tired

Great work all cast and actors of Stargate production, you?ve done a great job

BTW: People don?t like this show, they expect another sg-1 show, at least i think so. This show takes evrything to a new level, to boldly go where noone else went..... I embrace them for that

Posted by: Ra. Jul 20th 2004, 7:18 PM

Teal'c and Carter could'nt be part of it because of the copywrited characters linked to the film

Posted by: CitizenK Jul 20th 2004, 8:10 PM

Okay, I'm going to have a totally visceral emotion for a moment. As much as I really enjoyed seeing that stargate in orbit around the planet (that was really cool looking), I think my favorite scene, from the second half of the pilot, had to be watching the lady wraith rip open the shirt of Colonel Sumner aka Robert Patrick.

OMG ! that man has a wonderful chest and abs ! Someone please tell me they have created a screen shot of that moment ! Damn, that man has a wondeful body.

Okay, I've gotten that out of my system.

Thank you.

Posted by: UltimateW Jul 20th 2004, 10:13 PM

I liked it.

I think there is room for improvement.

I think they will get the shields up, I don't think it will take long before the Wraiths figure out there base of operation.

I don't think they will find any power source this season to gate home.

They got themselfs a new "Scotty" which can't be bad

Still looking for that Danish flag on a shoulder.

So what will it be next time Acient Ruin........

Posted by: midvixen Jul 21st 2004, 3:19 AM

[QUOTE]OMG ! that man has a wonderful chest and abs ! Someone please tell me they have created a screen shot of that moment ! Damn, that man has a wondeful body.


THANK YOU GOD!!!!!!

Someone else who thought the same as me!!

Kept pausing at that moment just for the chest. What I wouldn't give for half an hour with him!!

I know I'm shallow, but hey, men have had Carter to lust over for years!

HE HE HE HE

Posted by: Albion Jul 21st 2004, 6:28 AM

Posted by: CitizenK Jul 21st 2004, 7:48 AM

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Posted by: stargatefreak Jul 21st 2004, 7:58 PM

I must say I was pleasantly surprised. It seems to be its own show, it doesn't feel like they tried to do another SG1.

I think that Shepard will grow into his role as head military man and will become a stronger character in time. I like the new actress for Wier.

I am definitely going to keep tuning in.

Posted by: charge Jul 22nd 2004, 9:20 AM

I liked the pilot quite a lot, it wasn't perfect but it was a lot better than the SG1 pilot.

About the Wraiths vs Ancients - I'm pretty sure that we were told that the Dark enemy started wiping out the small colonies of life that the ancients created, not the ancients themselves. The hologram specifically stated that the enemy fed upon the defenceless human worlds until finally only Atlantis remained (which obviously was not defenceless). Now, if these colonies were just like primitve humans it isn't surprising that they were taken, the only question remaining is why didn't the Ancients stop the Wraith from doing that? The hologram tells us the answer - 10,000 worlds is a lot to protect against a resonabley powerful enemy, there just weren't enough ancients to go round if the wraith constantly and simultaneously attacked all the planets.

Posted by: Cemetery Jul 23rd 2004, 11:36 AM

no one has answered my question, where did the gate address for atlantis come from? Neither Lost City 1&2 or New order said that they had the address. You would think that they would make a big deal about it.

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Posted by: W6JPZ Jul 24th 2004, 1:14 PM

Has anyone figured out how Atlantis is going to replenish their ammunition? They don't have manufacturing facilities to make bullets and other ammo. Sooner or later they are going to run out. Also if they start to lose their weapons in action how will they replace those?

Posted by: bulldozer2003 Jul 27th 2004, 12:52 PM

To me, it seems that the situation with being cut-off from Earth will be ended soon enough, right now we're looking at character development and as someone already said, so SG1 isn't always saving their butts.
My beef is with the wraith. They dont seem smart yet. I thought the SG1 shows about fighting Anubis's super-soldiers were great. Prior to that, SG1 was all about fighting a high-tech enemy with a mixture of Earth and alien technology. More often than not SG1 used G'hould technology to defeat the G'hould. Now it will be Ancient and Earth tech vs Wraith tech. I really hope more Earth technology is made/used. Like the gameboy deally being analyzed and put into an IPAQ.
Ideally, I'd like to see them power the Atlantis gate with Earth/Milky-way technology, instead of an end-result of a hide and go seek across the Pagasus galaxy for ZPMs.

Posted by: mithwriter Jul 27th 2004, 9:39 PM

Okay, just saw the pilot for the first time. Gotta love those 'Special Encore Presentations"

My thoughts are as such.

• Yes, it was a well constructed story, nicely shot and edited, great visuals, and the actors did not embarrass themselves in any way....and yet there was not one character with whom I connected with on a personal level...except Robert Patrick.
• Yes, I agree his character should not have been killed off, but the story demanded a human sacrifice for the Wraith so we could get a visual demonstration of their personal abilities. Also, it was a way to put the 'reluctant hero' (Sheppard) in charge of the mission teams.
• Personally, I like the Wraith. I think they serve as a nice contrast to the tech-heavy Goa'uld. These guys have a more organic feel and design to them, much like the ancient weapon did in Antartica.
• The "language thing". The kids left a bad impression with that first 'whoa!" when they were looking through Sheppard's night goggles. A bit too comporary for my tastes. That was one of the things I love about the Jaffa. They speak English, but its distinct dialect of their own, and they were always very consistant about it.
• Didn't like the fact that Atlantis is conveniently automated just enough that when the shields went down it automatically surfaced. It cheapened the whole problem of trying to get the shields to keep the place from flooding, especially since such a big deal was made about it as we saw sections flooding out.
• The bottle of champagne that O'Neill sent. C'mon folks, who else thinks it should've been a cake?
• Since I don't read spoliers, I loved the plot twist that when the female Wraith was killed, it was revealed that she was just a caretaker for her kind...who all prompty started to awaken becuase of what Sheppard did. Never saw that coming, and I really liked it.

Posted by: gatenut Aug 3rd 2004, 6:15 PM

They killed Robert Pactrick what the hell he's T1000
Anyway the show looks like it will pick up where stargate left of .
The visuals what can i say hail to the king love the whole rising the city thing
one thing a city that big the ancient must have had some way of building the ZPMs and if so how will they get them to the SGC if its a one way trip.
something to think about

Posted by: Mac.Fan Aug 17th 2004, 11:17 PM

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Posted by: The Colonel Aug 21st 2004, 10:01 AM

This show rocked! I haven't seen many show have such a good starting show(if you include the 2 parts as one show). The city rising out from the water was very cool, as was seeing all the new toys that they've got now to play with and name. I am already getting tired of Sheppard saying "Well name it later" Other than that, top show.

Posted by: Dodge Oct 13th 2004, 9:48 AM

Well - this is my virgin post and hopefully I can add to some of the interesting thoughts from both here and the SG1 board.

Lets see - first off am in the Uk so only just seen ep 2 of SG1 and the 1st of Atlantis. Did I like ? You bet I did.

ZPM - main task I guess is finding some of these in the pegasus galaxy to perhaps power the ship to full functionality ?..seems like a cause to me and reason to explore all those new planets
At the same time - there is no reason that SG1 might not find another as the Ancients left bits and pieces all over the place it seems.

Technology - If these Wraiths defeated the Ancients all that time ago - their technology must have been at the same level or close to back then - surely by now they will be far far ahead of Ancient's technology which as far as I have seen in the SG1 series is way way ahead of even the current day Asgard's.


I fail to see why people are so eager to put the shows side by side and compare - let Atlantis grow as its own entity - it may be by next season the only stargate we get.

Posted by: Dafmeister Oct 19th 2004, 4:24 PM

Wasnt as good as part 1. I thought that the Wraith were supposed to be these beings that were difficult to kill. Then Major Sheppard kills their Queen by stabbing her. Thinking about it though, why would their Queen be awake if those few who were awake were only caretakers?

Posted by: hawkes Oct 19th 2004, 6:56 PM

I've got to agree with you Dafmeister, this wasn't as good as part1. I was shocked with how Major Sheppard easily killed the Queen. I thought they were supposed to be tough to finish off.

I still don't quite understand people's complaints about the technology of the Wraiths. Yeah their easily destroyed, but as for not improving? Why would they improve with no major threat to them? Makes no sense for them to do that. All they need to do is maintain and produce what they have.

As for the Wraith themselves, i love them already. Esepcially the "lead male wraith." Finally a villian that does seem scary. It's a shame the "Queen" wasn't half as quiet as him.

Posted by: Dafmeister Oct 20th 2004, 4:19 AM

Posted by: stargatesweetie Oct 20th 2004, 11:42 AM

I must admit that I was a little disppointed with the Wraith, as has been said, "how easy to kill?!". Still, I enjoyed the episode overall though how come the death of the female "caretaker" re-awakened the rest of the Wraith? Have I missed something?

Posted by: Dafmeister Oct 20th 2004, 12:19 PM

Posted by: MajikthizeII Oct 20th 2004, 1:28 PM

My first thoughts on this was that it would have played out better if I'd seen both parts together. The main reason I say this is because part one was quite slow and talky and part two seemed to jump right in and not let up. For starters I felt the city rose far too early on. I was expecting this big last minute cliffhanging scene and it to come out the ocean then (I knew it was happening thanks to Sky One's wonderfully spoilerish trailers).

As an overall piece I thought Rising was a good start. Some of the characters seem less developed than they should be and less likeable that they should (Mackay, for instance, was far more likeable as an obnoxious prat in SG than he is here as a computer geek worrywort). Sheppard in particular feels a bit young and happy-go-lucky to be blasting the crap out of things. I suppose I'm used to having my heors having a bit of an angsty murky past. I'm hoping they'll evolve.

The Wraith? Well let's face it, they're just soul sucking vampires. How many times has that been done then? They do look the part though, and the female wraith's "I don't need my food to agree with me" was surpirsingly chilling.
Are the Wraith supposed to be hard to kill? There seemd to be a blink-and-you-miss-it build up scene that mentioned they'd be tough enemies but yet Sheppard killed one so easily. If only that little rescue mission had taken along a couple of thermo nuclear devices and planted them in the wraith ship. Would have been a short series then.
Anyway. Not seeing the full scare value of the Wraith. Certainly not getting why the fear of Teyla's people should rub off onto our people. We're far more technologically advanced so we ought to be able to whip their asses pretty well.

Nitpick. Once we'd dialled the gate for Atlantis, the Wraith will have an opportunity to try out the coordinates and send stuff through. Sure, they won't get far due to the energy barrier over the gate, but I'm surprised none of them tried to get through before the puddle jumper went through.

On the plus side the effects were pretty damn awesome. The city rising out the lovelt clear ocean; the quality of light; that beautiful starscape at the end. Just all typical excellent Stargate quality effects.

All in all, I thought it was a great start, but it's got the develop the characters a lot more before I'll find it as unmissable as SG1.

Posted by: hawkes Oct 20th 2004, 8:01 PM

Posted by: ali Oct 22nd 2004, 3:04 PM

I loved this episode. I thought the rising of Atlantis from the sea was brilliant, and there were some very good special effects throughout the episode. I especially like all the ancient technology they're finding, and the argument about what to name the ship really made me laugh.
This might sound a bit pathetic, but the Wraith did actually scare me a bit. The fact that they're a bit clich? and are supposed to be hard to kill doesn't really bother me, I think it's the actual appearance of them and how they act that matters. They can sort out the nitpicks later...it is only the second episode, after all.
The part where the Queen is torturing Colonel Sumner was just horrible. And I mean horrible as in painful to watch, not as in a poor scene. What really did it was when Major Sheppard shot him, that was really sad.

I'm also really like all the characters already. Major Sheppard is very funny, and although he's very similar to O'neill I don't really notice it (if that makes any sense). I like Teyla, though I thought she was just going to be another "strong willed woman rip off", I like Weir, and the strangest thing is that I really like Mckay.

Loved the bit near the end between the Scottish guy (forget the name...) and Mckay. I think little scenes between characters like this really make episodes.

Overall, great episode and I'm really looking forward to the rest of the series.

Posted by: 00mace Oct 23rd 2004, 8:37 PM

i friend of mine once walked up to me when i was watching sg1 and said "so witch ones kirk" funny thing was that i was watching 1969. any point is that theres always the carasmatic main charicter no matter what the show.

Posted by: Tempo357 Oct 24th 2004, 7:42 AM

Execellent starting epesodes hope that the rest of the season will be as good.
One Question i have to ask though
Why did they not take the Wraith Weapons when they had the chance at the end of the 2nd epesode?

Posted by: Orta Nov 9th 2004, 2:26 PM

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Posted by: BrandonTheGreat Jan 12th 2005, 5:02 PM

Well maybe the reason they didn't take any weapons is because the Wraith were stirring up in the ceiling.

Posted by: cosmos Jan 18th 2005, 12:15 AM

Rising Parts 1 and 2 were good eye candy.  I did enjoy watching them.  However, this crew is inheriting all the Ancient's toys for their toybox -- don't need to work hard to get any of them, except to figure out what they do and then use them.  The "genetic" knowledge wrinkle made it too easy, in my opinion.

Look what Jack had to endure TWICE just to find an ally for Earth (the Asgard), and to protect Earth from Anubis!  I won't even mention how many times SG-1 and/or the Asgard have had to bail each other out of trouble!

Look how hard SGC and SG-1 had to work to get anything!  They had to claw, scratch, fight for, die for, and work their asses off -- for 7 years --  just to get any kind of advantage over their multitudinous enemies -- including their own people (Kinsey, Simmons, the NID). They had to learn everything from a state of total ignorance.  And in Season 8, Jack and the rest of the SGC still won't have the advantages of an "Atlantis" to help them with Baal and the other baddies in our galaxy.

Best Example:  The Atlanteans (Weir and party) just inherited a hangar full of beautiful spaceships.

SG-1 had to build the X301, 302, and Prometheus from scratch with some patched together alien technology to help them, and the ships STILL aren't totally reliable or safe or particularly powerful, even with some help from the Asgard -- who are now rebuilding their civilization -- not much time for Earth and its problems for a while, I suspect! 

My heart is with SG-1.  Let the Atlanteans play with their new toys and fight the Wraith -- they've been given a huge boost by standing on the shoulders of SG-1 and all the hard work done by those heroes.

Posted by: Christy Jan 18th 2005, 12:34 AM

sheppard seems to be a young, full of energy and spirit kinda person, he does sarcasm really well...

Teyla...someone said she was meant to be like Teal'c...froma different planet and helping the Earthlings...she seems...a bit of a pain in the butt.

Posted by: Teags Mar 27th 2005, 11:31 AM

Ok, so being an Aussie, i have only just seen this episode tonight and i must say i have mixed feelings about the series!
First of all, i think maybe there was two much build up and maybe i expected it to be better the SG1 (even tho deep down i no the original is always the best)!
Second of all, after eight years of getting to know and love the characters on SG1, it just doesn't feel right... I dunno!
On the other hand tho, the characters are cool (well most of em anyway) and you can already see relationships developing... oh, and credit has to go to the crew for the awesome sets and special fx! the new enemy's seem pretty cool too, the one with the red hair reminds me of marilyn manson... HEHE
In conclusion, i think this is going to be a series that i will probably watch because of it's relevance to SG1, but i doubt it'll become an obsession like the original!
Well, thats my 20cents worth... what do all you other Aussies think??

Posted by: magnavox Mar 27th 2005, 8:24 PM

Well, thats my 20cents worth... what do all you other Aussies think??

Posted by: Teags Mar 28th 2005, 12:35 PM

Me thinks it was pretty damn good. Better than I expected. The visual effects were second to none, the city rising out of the sea was awesome.

Of course the one thing all good sci fi shows should have in thier premiere - Explosions!    very nice!

Great to have Jack and Daniel in there, the bit where Jack and Sheppard jump out of the helicopter and the glowing jellyfish stops right infront of Jack and he put his hand lout to stop it, like that's gonna do anything! lmao!

One bad thing I can think of was the scene with Sheppard and Teyla when he finds her necklace and puts it on her. C'mon pulease! this is so cliche'd and has been done to death in the movies. I'm guessing this is going to be the shipping pair in the series but please don't drag it out till it's done to death like Jack and Sam.

On a final note, I did like the relationship with Sheppard and Dr Weir, kinda like a school teacher and her somewhat reluctant protege student.

Posted by: magnavox Mar 28th 2005, 3:23 PM

I never thought about the weir/sheppard thing as the teacher/student thing that u refered too... but i can totally see it! u never no... maybe they'll end up the jack and sam of atlantis (except weir will be the one in command... hehe, nice touch i think)!

I'm actually suprised that more aussie stargate fans haven't commented on the posts... i thought it would really take off here, especially since channel 7 actually advertised it and put it on prime time!! oh well, you get that i suppose!

Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 28th 2005, 3:36 PM

Posted by: Sighfienerd Mar 28th 2005, 5:01 PM

Are they married? I got the impression that they had just been together a long time. Didnt she send him a message that basically told him to get on with his life and forget about her? Could have sworn she did.

Posted by: the_ReBeL Mar 30th 2005, 11:53 PM

i thought sga on sunday night was pretty good, of course its no sg1, but we cant judge it too much yet cause weve only seen the premiere, it was a good start to the series though, with the action and humour were used to, good to see jack and daniel in the episode, the reason why tealc and sam werent in the premiere is due to legal issues or something, daniel and jack were characters from the movie, sam and tealc from the tv show, but amanda tapping has said they will be in it later on, so yeah i thought it was good, the wraith seem interesting, i cant believe theyre the race that wiped out the ancients.....that is incredible....and scary!
The thing flying towards jack in the air was a missle, it look exactly the same as the missiles shot out of the puddle jumper near the end, that?s what I think anyway
imagine what we can expect next with plenty of episodes on what happened and how it happened, thats a big part of atlantis, more about the ancients and who they were, thats the big premise of seaosn 9 of sg1 too, well learn all about the ancients, and im sure we can expect a huge crossover with sg1 and atlantis with the wraith and possible ascended ancients!!! wow cant wait
one thing that bothered me though is how quickly they found out where the lost city was, and found out how to use the eighth chevron, which is used to go into other galaxies, when you think about it, that means everything sg1's been through with the goauld and replicators has just been in one galaxy, kind of opens up an imaginable amount of possibilities, but it was all just a little, tiny bit too quick, but i thought it was a good start, and cant wait for the third ep tonight!!!

Posted by: Teags Mar 31st 2005, 10:54 AM

one thing that bothered me though is how quickly they found out where the lost city was, and found out how to use the eighth chevron, which is used to go into other galaxies, when you think about it, that means everything sg1's been through with the goauld and replicators has just been in one galaxy, kind of opens up an imaginable amount of possibilities, but it was all just a little, tiny bit too quick, but i thought it was a good start, and cant wait for the third ep tonight!!!

Posted by: Ghost Slider Apr 2nd 2005, 10:21 PM

Great pilot episode! Can't wait for season 1 to come to DVD. I think the one issue with Sci-Fi these days, is that all the 100% all original ideas have for the most part, been exhausted. The only thing left is to take an old idea, and mix it with your vision. But Atlantis is a terrific spin-off of Stargate SG-1. A great compliment to the success of the franchise if you ask me. The only thing I'm disappointed about is

Posted by: Christy Apr 9th 2005, 1:34 AM

ghost slider...how was that a spoiler? we're here to discuss the episode and quite a few people would have already commented on that piece of news.

oh though, it is sad and i would have liked to have seen him in future episodes but what they've done with the storylines and the way they are making their characters are really good and they're still in the stages of trying to figure out how the characters work.

I think they were slightly weak in this episode and could have been stronger but i'm hoping that all comes in time.

Posted by: Sighfienerd Apr 17th 2005, 10:10 AM

[*] Didn't like the fact that Atlantis is conveniently automated just enough that when the shields went down it automatically surfaced. It cheapened the whole problem of trying to get the shields to keep the place from flooding, especially since such a big deal was made about it as we saw sections flooding out.

Posted by: Christy Apr 21st 2005, 1:53 AM

i find it hard to believe that the ancients are so well advanced that they didn't have more ZPM's hanging around Atlantis.
And they could have had more lights aroudn the city...the interior designer should have been shot

Posted by: Ringbearer Jun 19th 2005, 11:09 AM

I just saw this one last night too. I loved it. My favorite part by far was when atlantis came out of the sea. It was the last thing they ever thought would happen. It had me in suspense most of the time. I just wanted to get up and cheer when atlantis came out of the water.!!!! WoooHoooo!!

Posted by: starryeyes Nov 10th 2005, 5:37 PM

Well, I just got my dvd set this morning and just completed watching Rising Pt. 1 & 2. All I can say is wow. If the rest of the series is like this, I'm going to have a great time watching this. MacKay isn't as obnoxious in this as in his guest appearances in SG1. In fact I'll probably like his character. Don't think too much of Weir yet but hopefully she'll improve. The city rising out of the ocean was just awesome. I imagine the Wraith will be the new "bad guys" like the Goa'uld are in SG1. Interesting species. Great start to the season.

Posted by: blackbelt83 Jan 30th 2006, 12:46 AM

I just want to know why he dint shoot the red head wraith in the head well she was trying to kill summner. that would have had to kill her.

Posted by: Dafmeister Jan 30th 2006, 10:59 AM

That means Sumner would have survived and since Robert Patrick was only a guest star, he had to die in the pilot.

Posted by: blackbelt83 Mar 6th 2006, 12:45 AM

QUOTE(Dafmeister @ Jan 30th 2006, 10:59 AM)

Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 6th 2006, 5:43 AM

Like I said, he was just a guest star so he had to die in the pilot. Given the size of the regular cast it is unlikely TPTB could afford to have Robert Patrick in the show for season 1.

Posted by: sgcl librarian Mar 26th 2006, 5:00 PM

I realize that this commentary probably falls into the 'fan fiction' category, but after watching the show's first two episodes, I have this question:

What can we do to help the scriptwriters extend Atlantis for 10 seasons?

I see a continuing pattern here. In the SG1 series, science and mythology was heavily relied upon for storylines. In the Atlantis series, mythology and mythological creatures are picked right up. The Pegasus Galaxy, Atlantis the submerged technological city, and a clear-cut life-draining enemy known as the Wraith are in the first two episodes. Teyla's planet did not seem to have any of the Earth-based mythology. Perhaps Atlantis team members will find the "fountain of youth" to counteract the Wraith; a mysterious mischievous race called the Brownies who are underestimated allies; or the Flying Dutchmen with their intergalactic-sky-sailing ships in this new galaxy?