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Stargate Information Archive _ Atlantis Season 2 _ 201 - The Siege (Part Three)
Posted by: Arcady Jul 14th 2005, 2:18 PM
Season 2, Episode 1 - The Siege (Part Three)
Air Dates - US: July 15 2005, Canada: July 18 2005
Atlantis and the route back to Earth are on the line when the Wraith assault the Ancient city.
(Part 3 of 3.)
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(This topic is for people who have seen the episode to discuss it. If you don't want to be spoiled, don't read this topic.)
Posted by: NemesisDesignz Jul 15th 2005, 11:44 PM
I loved this episode!!! I never thought that more wraith ships would be on the way that quick after the 2 were destroyed... It kicked ass how they used the asgard beam to send the nukes to the hive ships... that rocked! I'm sure the wraith are still rethinking things seeing how many hive ships just got taken out by a bunch of normal "humans"
McKay tryin to shoot his gun when facing two wraith and releasing the clip instead of firing was hilarious..
I hate that Ford is part wraith now... I really liked him... and now he's not gonna be a regular on the show as he was... Still can't tell if he's gonna be evil.. or still a good guy.
Wondering whats gonna be the Deadelus' strategy now after blowing up 3 hive ships and the wraith adapting and blocking the asgard beam is gonna be. Their rockets seem to be nothing but sh*t! The asgard need to start PAYING UP.. and giving us weapon upgrades too. We've saved their gray butts way too many times now. They gave us shields and hyperdrives...now they need to cough up the weapons. The new asgard on the ship doesnt seem to be very talkative.. almost like he doesnt wanna be there really...
Loved how they launched a nuke outside the cities shield and blew it up..and then cloaked the city to make it look as if they self destructed it. Great idea... and it came from Shepphard.. reminded me of O'Neill's ideas that he would come up with out of the blue.
Cant wait to see more action with the Daedelus!! I was kinda disappointed no fighters ships x-302's were deployed from it to take out the darts..
Cant wait for the rest of the season and see how it all plays out... I think it's possible for us to whipe out the wraith fairly quickly.. they have no shields...and their weapons arent deadly besides their ships...and their "life sucking hands" We still need 1 more ZPM though... so we can have one at SGC and at Atlantis... and a 3rd one would be nice to have for backup in Atlantis for the shield. They need to get on the move quickly and search for those other 4 outposts the "old Dr Weir" gave em.
Posted by: Aquila Jul 16th 2005, 12:07 AM
Awesomeness becomes this show. I have to say that Hermoid/Hermod was quite an endearing fellow! Lol. I love the way he mumbled curses to himself. The Daedalus was more than I hoped for. Definately one of the coolest ships ever on the Stargate series.
The one part with all the bombardment coming down on the shields and the comments of the it being "almost pretty" by Mckay was right on the spot! Great plotline all together.
Wow, it's great to have this show back again...I was having withdrawal symptoms! 
Aquila the Ancient 
Posted by: Lord Sebek Jul 16th 2005, 12:07 AM
Holy crap that rocked! WAAAAAAAYYYYY better than Avalon. Best Atlantis episode yet. Even better than The Siege Part 2. Is anyone else seeing this, or does it look like that there's something more going on between Dr. Weir and Major Sheppard? Could it be that a romantic relationship will evolve between them? Anyway, HUGE victory for the moment, but the Wraith aren't stupid. They'll be back once they realize that Atlantis wasn't really destroyed.
Posted by: Lord Sebek Jul 16th 2005, 12:09 AM
Oh yeah, and the bickering between Mckay and Zelenka get's better and better. haha. "What are you, Union?" 
Posted by: obox Jul 16th 2005, 12:38 AM
Stargate Atlantis Season 2 Episode 1 will start in Canada or Eastern Canada for sure on TMN Monday,July'18 2005 at 8:00pm.
Posted by: Chrisb319 Jul 16th 2005, 12:40 AM
I really liked this episode more than the new SG-1 (don't get me wrong I liked it but this episode was better). Only thing that I did not like was the ending, "lets just fool them instead of going into this big huge battle and save money of production costs".
Posted by: IndyJan Jul 16th 2005, 12:42 AM
This was a good episode. I was pleasantly surprised. Loved the Daedalus, and the hiccup girl is now part of the crew, LOL!
They finally did something with Ford. Gave him a story, personality, something, and now he's not part of the regular cast.
Love that Beckett is part of the opening credits. He should have been last year.
Mitch Pilieggi will be a good addition to the show. Loved that Everett wanted to see Sheppard and talk to him about what Sheppard did to Sumner. He said, "I wish you had been there for me." Everett realized that Sheppard did what had to be done.
You know I said last year that Teyla was the inquivelent of Teal'c to the team. She provided the info on the Wraith, just as Teal'c provided the info on the Goa'uld. Teal'c had a symbiote to connect with the Goa'uld. Teyla has the dna connection to the Wraith. It seems to work.
Posted by: Ion'noi Jul 16th 2005, 3:46 AM
I picked up on the asgard crew members reluctance of being on a earth ship. Do you think they drew straws? Finally the earth has a worthy warship, albeit with asgard help.
Too bad we don't get to use it on the Goa'uld. I sure there will plenty of other enemies to test it on. The Promentheus curse is broken.
I hated to see ford go too. Even though he didn't have a storyline he was a dependable guy in a fight. Save Shepard in 0101. Love the interactions he had with the other members and people on Atlantis. I think they will realize the mistake. Maybe he will be back.
Posted by: youngjediboy Jul 16th 2005, 4:52 AM
I thought what they did with Ford was good. In the first season he barely did anything. I WANTED to like him but there just wasn't really any substance to his character. Like it was said above, Dr. Beckett should've been in the opening credits... I think Beckett was given more screen time and backstory than even Ford, yet Ford was in the credits!
Ford has always seemed more like one of the soldier extras all last season, just that he's recurring. I saw him more of like a Walter from SG-1... like we know he's there and we see him a lot, but we just don't know anything about them.
At least now that Ford's part-Wraith, it adds more of a spin to his character. I think it's great! Whether he becomes evil or stays good later on really will keep the story fresh, interesting and dynamic!
So not only do we have the Wraith to worry about now, there's also the Genii and now we can add Ford to that! Conflict is always good. What fun would it be if everything was easy and simple?
Oh and as for the Asgard on the ship, was there only one of them?
Posted by: dorien Jul 16th 2005, 6:35 AM
A muttering Asgard, the return of Novak and the introduction of Mitch Pileggi...three reasons to occasionally watch the show. But only occasionally because I still don't care the least little bit about Atlantis.
Posted by: Aussie_Bloke Jul 16th 2005, 6:37 AM
Can anyone give us a "blow by blow" synopisis for those of us in Australia and other stargate deprived countries???
Questions:::::
1. How did sheppard get out of his suicide run???
2. What weapons are on the Big D (rails, rockets, nukes, energy)???
3. How is the ZPM transported to Atlantis???
4. Any 302 action (we see shepp in cockpit and in jum suit in promo pics)???
5. Everett??????
6. Ford and his team of about 4 men Vs two groups of wraith...what happened there???
7. Battle Statistics ( Big D = ??? Wraith = ???)
Thanks for your time!
Posted by: Jack_O'Neill Jul 16th 2005, 6:48 AM
Questions:::::
1. How did sheppard get out of his suicide run???
2. What weapons are on the Big D (rails, rockets, nukes, energy)???
3. How is the ZPM transported to Atlantis???
4. Any 302 action (we see shepp in cockpit and in jum suit in promo pics)???
5. Everett??????
6. Ford and his team of about 4 men Vs two groups of wraith...what happened there???
7. Battle Statistics ( Big D = ??? Wraith = ???)
Thanks for your time!
Many Spoilers
Posted by: Aussie_Bloke Jul 16th 2005, 6:52 AM
Thanks "Jack Oniell"....your a top bloke!
Just a couple more minor questions:::
1. At the end of part 2 we see teyla knocked out or somethin. Whats the go with her?
2. Genni Bomb???
Thanks soooooo much evryone!!
Posted by: Drizzt Do'Urden Jul 16th 2005, 7:27 AM
I think it's really unnecessary to write that this is a spoiler, since that's what this whole thread is about.
1. She got seperated from her team. Fortunately, she turned up in time to save Rodney's life. He should've gotten the bigger security escort...
2. The Genii bomb was on the ship that was flown into the second Wraith hive ship. It blew up. (If you didn't know, Weir negotiated for it.)
Posted by: That Chevron Guy Jul 16th 2005, 7:42 AM
Aussie:
1. Her radio somehow gets damaged and she makes her way back to the Control Tower saving Mckay and the ZPM in the process after his marine escourt is shot by a Wraith party. Don't worry the guards were not eaten. 
although McKay needs to learn military hand signals.........
2. Bomb worked perfectly
EDIT : Drizzt Do'Urden You beat me! 
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Anywho, I loved this episode way better than pt.2. A whole lot more action and not to mention the Daedalus. One thing i don't understand is how Sheppard did'nt see the Daedalus approaching his position.
Hermiod(sp?) didnt seem to pleased to be beaming nukes abord the Wraith ships, even muttering under his breath speaking his native Asgard. Seems likeable, I hope to see him again.
i was shocked to see that the Wraith had 12 more hive ships + escourts waiting to assist the 2 already there.
Tho, i do have a few questions myself: What happend with Captain Radner?? Was he the marine with Colonel Everett?
Did they put up the shield after they shut down the Jumpers stealth defences? I'm assuming they did...?
Posted by: General Trav Jul 16th 2005, 9:46 AM
That was an awsome episode!! The only thing I really was dissapointed about was no X302s, I would have loved to see a few of them flying around the city taking out darts.
Posted by: UltimateW Jul 16th 2005, 10:25 AM
I don't think the Asgard was agianst being on the human ship, more the fact that they took a thing as the transporter and made it a offensive weapon.
I love him, he was great, no a much of talker hehe and cursing in Asgard
As discussed at the last episode of season one, tho they didnt bring a couple of Asgard ships, but had a Asgard aboard assisting was great. I hope he sticks around!
The Ford thing was a bit strange, guess they are going somewhere with it.
All in all a good kick off on season two and Rodney alway cheerfull about how its gonna end
btw how many puddle jumpers did they loose, how many do they have left ?
Posted by: Romulan Snitch- Tal'Shir Jul 16th 2005, 10:51 AM
Can someone posts some pics of the Daedalus, Mods permitting of course.
Since i live in the UK i have to wait till October... 
Posted by: ancient01 Jul 16th 2005, 11:24 AM
Thumbs up!! Can't wait to see more of the story. I think I need to watch it again, though. I felt like I missed a number of little pieces of information. I loved hearing Hermiod muttering to himself in Asgard. Those *#&*# humans... Great episode... 
Posted by: cy2k Jul 16th 2005, 12:05 PM
If the Wraith came to capture Atlantis, then why would wraith darts go on a kamikaze attack to destroy it after the first wave of Hive motherships were destroyed.
You see also that in the 2nd wave of Hive mothership attacks they stopped firing on Atlantis when it was learned through Teyla of SG's strategy to self destuct Atlantis.
The Darts kamikaze attack made no sense
Posted by: Dan.M Jul 16th 2005, 12:37 PM
You see also that in the 2nd wave of Hive mothership attacks they stopped firing on Atlantis when it was learned through Teyla of SG's strategy to self destuct Atlantis.
The Darts kamikaze attack made no sense
i guess if the destroyed the city.. it would still be enough for the wraith to rebuild an engine to make it work. but they want the atlantis team killed and they were prolly desperate..
but the episode was really cool..
and it looks like the atlantis team would need to find food again..
now that prolly the mainland is affected by the nuclear/gamma radiation... and all.. lol
too bad there wasnt a whole fleet of asgard ships instead of 1 asgard in daedulus..
that would be cool..
but nonetheless that ship is sick... lol
Posted by: Chakster Jul 16th 2005, 1:59 PM
well, lets all hope that Sheppard kills LT. Ford,
and what the fu** was Fords lefteye black???
edit.
Posted by: Nnahrino Jul 16th 2005, 2:23 PM
A good episode, dont like the Ford story much though.
I didnt expect the Daedalus(sp?) to be that strong/ the Wraith hive ships to be so weak.
Surely those Ancient defence systems should of easily whoop'd them if they had of put shields on them...
Posted by: Evo Jul 16th 2005, 2:26 PM
It was a good episode. I like how Ford betrayed though, it was quite dramatic. The Daedalus was awesome, it was better than I expected it to be. Asgard on bored was cool as well. The battle was great. Can't wait for next episodes.
Posted by: Annunaki Jul 16th 2005, 2:41 PM
Well we know that Wraiths were once ancients so maybe humans turn out different when they turn into Wraiths (I guess that is what is happening to him (he is turning into a wraith.))
Posted by: Madmickey Jul 16th 2005, 2:42 PM
I didnt expect the Daedalus(sp?) to be that strong/ the Wraith hive ships to be so weak.
Surely those Ancient defence systems should of easily whoop'd them if they had of put shields on them...
Hi
I am from the UK and I have only just seen the end of season 1 and I logged on to see what was happening in season 2.
Having the folks from back home gallop to the rescue kind of spoiled it for me. It was an easy get out from a plot point of view.
Although I enjoy Atlantis alot, the easy plot get out kind of perptuates some of the unanswered questions I have about the show.
1) Why didnt the ancients just fly Atlantis away from the Pegasus Galaxy leaving the Wraiths far behind.
2) When they evacuated it why leave it intact knowing full well it would leave the Wraith with a gateway to an new feeding ground.
3) Surely to god the Ancients had more powerful ship than Puddle Jumper and if so where are they. They couldnt all have been destroyed in battle with the Wraith.
4) And most puzzling of all where the hell do ZPM come from and why cant they just make a few more.
Or am I thinking too much?
Mike
Posted by: Nnahrino Jul 16th 2005, 3:47 PM
2) When they evacuated it why leave it intact knowing full well it would leave the Wraith with a gateway to an new feeding ground.
3) Surely to god the Ancients had more powerful ship than Puddle Jumper and if so where are they.? They couldnt all have been destroyed in battle with the Wraith.
4) And most puzzling of all where the hell do ZPM come from and why cant they just make a few more.
1) The Wraith would of probably followed them, they didnt want to show them how to get to Earth etc.
2)They sank the city, perhaps the Wraith thought it was destroyed. Its been 10,000 years and the Wraith didnt get in so i dont think evacuating and not destroying it was actually a problem.
3)They did have alot more powerful ships (As stated in the first season several times), but the sheer numbers of the Wraith were too many for them to handle. There technology is better.
4)The Ancients create the ZPM's, it doesnt seem that they were in short supply, when they returned to Earth they had 3 full capacity ZPM's (From 1.15) left running the shields. They seem to have enough, but the technology is far beyond the SGA's capabilities and over the 10,000 years they have become drained.
Posted by: DetriusXii Jul 16th 2005, 4:03 PM
Did anyone else notice that the Wraith cruisers and hive ships don't have shields? It's kind of refreshing to see ships that rely on armor instead of shields in sci-fi.
Posted by: Madmickey Jul 16th 2005, 4:07 PM
2)They sank the city, perhaps the Wraith thought it was destroyed. Its been 10,000 years and the Wraith didnt get in so i dont think evacuating and not destroying it was actually a problem.
3)They did have alot more powerful ships (As stated in the first season several times), but the sheer numbers of the Wraith were too many for them to handle. There technology is better.
4)The Ancients create the ZPM's, it doesnt seem that they were in short supply, when they returned to Earth they had 3 full capacity ZPM's (From 1.15) left running the shields. They seem to have enough, but the technology is far beyond the SGA's capabilities and over the 10,000 years they have become drained.
Hi
Sorry didnt answer my questions.
1) The Wraith ships are clearly not capable of Inter galaxy flight. So they couldnt follow them.
2) I will give you the one on destroying the city.
3) Okay where are all the ancients Super ships? They couldnt all have been destroyed by the Wraith and as it has been clearly shown the Ancient's shield technology is far superior to anything the Wraith can throw at it. SO WHERE ARE THEY?
4) I will give you that one but there has to be a ZPM manufacturing facility somewhere.
Mike
Posted by: Erised Jul 16th 2005, 4:24 PM
Wow!
One word: Ford o.O
Really, 12 ships! I wonder how long it will take for wraith to figure out that Atlantis is still there
Why is Ford's eye all black anyway?
Posted by: bigjohn_1972 Jul 16th 2005, 4:35 PM
and what the fu** was Fords right eye black???
His right eye was strangely normal, his left eye though, watch out!
Posted by: Felger Jul 16th 2005, 4:44 PM
Hyper-space requires a huge amount of energy, which would no doubt mean lowering the shield? considering the Wraith were in orbit ready to bombard them at a moments notice I don?t think lowering the shields of an easy target like the city next to an armada would be a good idea.
Personally, I adored this episode for Weir and McKay?s banter when they?d cloaked: ?Why are you whispering?? ?I don?t know it just seems like the right thing to do!?
I?m pleased that we?ve finally seen that the Wraith are rather tactically minded because they still tried to flank the Daedalus even when they had the clear advantage of number and they still optimised their weapon power with siege formation even when they were already sufficient in yield to drain the shield quickly... the Ancients were seemingly peaceful so were more or less screwed against that mentality.
I was concerned that the Ancients might have lost to a complete bunch of idiots who depended on number to win but clearly they had strategy on their side as well.
The only disconcerting thing is that the Wraith ships are shield-less (assuming), so how many of them were there when the Ancients were around in order to overwhelm their far superior technology. There must have been hundreds!
Also, I think this episode highlighted how far gone I am in my obsession with defending the Ancients because when they said ?now we know how the Ancients must have felt? I got a sense of smug sense of satisfaction and started thinking ?Now then, not the infallible heroes you were made out to be? you lost in one week, the Ancients lost in one hundred years! That's how great you are compared to them, and they'd never fought a real war!?.
Oh and how did they develop counter measures so quickly?!? Had they merely adapted a device they used to prevent the Ancients from using similar tactics or did they start from scratch? if the latter then they are scarily advanced.
There are so many things I want to comment on, such as the contrast of suspense and comedy, the mysteries that will surround the season, the introduction of key characters, and of course the brilliant use of time on the part of the writers? but I?m too confusingly excited to even consider writing coherently? woohoo what a great episode!
*trundles off to watch episode again... for the fourth time? and laugh at Hermiod cursing*
Posted by: joka75 Jul 16th 2005, 4:58 PM
heya, i loved this one, avalon kinda sucked in my opinion, maybe cuz its a 3 part, hmmm, well, duz any1 hav a video clip of hermiod cussing cuz i missed it plz help me out
mike
Posted by: ldavis10 Jul 16th 2005, 5:08 PM
All I have to say is.....wow..... This episode was great... the stories, visuals, action, ships, cast were just.... GREAT!!! I really think that I?m beginning to like Atlantis more than SG-1 now.... I guess that might be because it?s new and exciting... and sg-1 has been around so long..... I don?t know... I?ll just have to wait a while and see how the new season develops? and I really like that the daedalus is there now?. And it makes me happy that is better than the wraith ships 
Posted by: Stargate SG-1 Bott Jul 16th 2005, 7:30 PM
Hey Im from, the UK, just watched the eps with a few beers, I liked them alot some nthings i didnt agree on but on the whole i liked both, I liked the angry Asgard ,
And what has happened to LOL? shame stuck with DSR from LOKi
Posted by: sg1JaffaJoo Jul 16th 2005, 9:00 PM
I don't know about everyone else but I'm really starting to like Atlantis better than SG-1. I guess it's because it's fresher and holds a lot of possibilities. There's really only so much you can do with a show that's been on for 8+ years.
This episode was one of the best Atlantis eps that I've seen in awhile. I was kind of wondering what they would do next when the wraith thought they had destroyed Atlantis. I guess if they encountered the wraith again, they would surely know they were still there, just like the Goa'uld would have still known that the SGC was there even if they buried the gate.
I didn't really like the whole Ford thing. The weird eye was freakish enough, but it was a bit sad to see Ford go. I guess it'll give them something to write about for the later episodes. I liked how they're developing Dr. Beckett's (sp??) character more now. It seemed like he didn't have much screen time in some of the Season 1 episodes.
Yep, Season 2 is looking pretty good. :-)
Posted by: Lagger Jul 16th 2005, 9:41 PM
im still pissed that atlantis didnt have any energy weapons.....
and sif they couldnt put gould energy weapons and adapt them for the dadealus.....
we gotta enough staffs, and gliders, transports, and who no's what else
Posted by: Aussie_Bloke Jul 17th 2005, 12:07 AM
Ok.....so I've worked out that Daedalus takes out some hive ships.....but what about the cruisers???
There were three cruisers flanking evry hive ship. So that means in the first wave (that the Big D is meant to kill)...there was 2 Hives and 9 cruisers!!!
Did it kill them all???????? 
Posted by: BlueHeeler Jul 17th 2005, 12:36 AM
There were three cruisers flanking evry hive ship. So that means in the first wave (that the Big D is meant to kill)...there was 2 Hives and 9 cruisers!!!
Did it kill them all????????
After the Daedalus destroyed the last hive ship with a transported nuke, the cruisers jumped to hyperspace to escape.
Hi everyone this is my first post, but a long time lurker.
Posted by: Carter-Hot Jul 17th 2005, 3:18 AM
Go Weir and Sheppard, that was a heart-warming hug!
This was such a impressive come-back episode, the opening sequence... emmm was that 10 seconds?
The Dadealus kicked some major asses and was that some Asgard swearing I heard from Hermie?
9/10
Posted by: Raxor Jul 17th 2005, 3:20 AM
enjoyed the episode nothing like a loada kick ass lasers and explosions everywhere...
Posted by: Carter-Hot Jul 17th 2005, 3:42 AM
Oh yeah!
The cloaking of Atlantis was a clever idea and the way the writers wrote that in was superb.
I like the fact that the writers also didn't forget about McKay's love - "sleep and big sandwiches"
When Atlantis still had the shields up, the Wraith bombardment was very pretty. Red and orange and the swish of different colours... very very pretty.
ROFL
Posted by: SilverCheetah Jul 17th 2005, 4:07 AM
Sorry didnt answer my questions.
1) The Wraith ships are clearly not capable of Inter galaxy flight. So they couldnt follow them.
2) I will give you the one on destroying the city.
3) Okay where are all the ancients Super ships? They couldnt all have been destroyed by the Wraith and as it has been clearly shown the Ancient's shield technology is far superior to anything the Wraith can throw at it. SO WHERE ARE THEY?
4) I will give you that one but there has to be a ZPM manufacturing facility somewhere.
Mike
it is mentioned many times in the first season that atlantis was the last planet the wraith hadnt wiped out. Atlantis itself was beneath the ocean and had the shield. As for the ancient super-ships, this is explained by "old weir" in 1x15 when the ancient sent their most powerful warships to make a peace deal with the wraith, this failed and the war continued. She also explains how the ancients arent THAT much more advanced than the wraith, they lost the war because they were heavily outnumbered, remember the ancients had already left the milky way because of the plague and thats why they went to pegasus, so there would have been very few ancients around as it was. As for making ZPM's, while its true the ancients made them, i dont think they would have a lab somewhere with a button saying "press here to make ZPM".
From what i understand, while atlantis did fly from the milky way to pegasus, a flight like that would be a waste of effort since the stargate on pegasus can reach the milky way.
I think the alliance of the 4 races (ancient, asgard, furling and nox) was not very equal, since Thor talks about the repository in 8x01 (i think) saying something about it having infinite amounts of knowledge, and that the asgard had worked on it for thousands of years and barely scratched the surface of it. Since the ancients died out/ascended 10,000 years previous, it would suggest that they were far more advanced than the asgard are currently.
Feel free to disagree with most of what is written above, as it mostly intrepretation and speculation, i havent seen the new episodes yet due to living in Australia.
Posted by: Nnahrino Jul 17th 2005, 4:13 AM
? Sorry didnt answer my questions.
3) Okay where are all the ancients Super ships?? They couldnt all have been destroyed by the Wraith and as it has been clearly shown the Ancient's shield technology is far superior to anything the Wraith can throw at it.? SO WHERE ARE THEY?
4) I will give you that one but there has to be a ZPM manufacturing facility somewhere.
Hopefully i do better second time around
3) Well its stated in season 1 (Somewhere cant remember exact place) that the Ancients sent their best war ships to arrange a treaty with the Wraith, but they ambushed them and wiped alot of them out. You also hear in E15 an Ancient ship being destroyed on route to Atlantis, so its clear that a large amount of wraith ships can do enough damage to get through there shields. There may be 1 or 2 lying around but you'd of thought the Wraith would find and salvage or destroy them.
4) Well thats true there could be a facility somewhere, but its possible it was on another planet and has since been destroyed. Also think if they did stumble across this then it would have a bad effect on the series as they will have full power on both Atlantis and Daedalus forever.
Posted by: ted_simple Jul 17th 2005, 5:28 AM
I suppose the Ancients never regarded the Wraith as an enemy, only a nuisance they had to keep at bay. Like an insect colony on your property; instead of purging it with chemicals, you try to fence it in and protect the animals out of a respect for the sanctity of life. That's why the conflict lasted for a whole century. The Ancients must have thought several times they had bottled the Wraith up - then to be surprised when the Wraith adapted strategically.
One complaint: No that we've established they are tacticians, it's very hard to believe they bought the cloaking of the city as easily. One last salvo at the previous position of Atlantis - just to make sure there is nothing left which defies the sensors - should have been the minimum.
I loved McKay whispering while there was no need! I do it sometimes too, he has such a hang for the dramatic, the serious Weir was totally caught off guard!
Posted by: TAURI Jul 17th 2005, 6:36 AM
does anyone know when season 2 will be airing in the uk, i can't wait
Posted by: ted_simple Jul 17th 2005, 8:19 AM
The latest info can be found under the "Atlantis info > tv schedule" menu option.
Posted by: DarkStorm Jul 17th 2005, 8:33 AM
Episode was very very nice. I liked it better than SG1's avalon, probably because it was the end of a three parter.
The Wraith had already 12 more ships on the way to atlantis - WOW. I was just thinking... If the Wraith would have conquered atlantis and engaged the gate to earth they would probably send a couple of ships through first... and the darts would end up underground at SGC which would have been interesting to see where it would go from there cause .. its underground .
The Daedalus rocks ! I hope the ship will remain in the show and it will not 'return to earth' or stuff like that, and if it does, leave the grey asgard on atlantis cause he is cool too.
Posted by: Happenstance Jul 17th 2005, 8:55 AM
I thought the episode was ok but thats it really. Im just not interested in Atlantis anymore, I started watching the 1st season and got bored. The only reason I still watch the odd episode is when I know theres some link to SG1
Posted by: Felger Jul 17th 2005, 9:22 AM
No offence but why did you just waste your time barely reviewing an episode from a show you think is pointless, if you?re going to be a stout SG-1er and reject Atlantis then don?t post in the Atlantis forum? that?s all I can recommend if you don't like it.
I was thinking the exact same thing because they scanned for them which meant they were already dubious of what they?re eyes blatantly told them.
Plus, I thought they could penetrate the cloaks of larger vessels because the transport ship reports its ?cloaking shield damaged? in 115 from the engagement with the Wraith so surely that meant they?d managed to scan through it in order to acquire a target... most probably just a catalyst the writers needed to make the Ancients leave.
Meh? I suppose all the history between the Ancients and the Wraith will be resolved this season!
I found his outright narcissism hilarious: ?Wow, Wow, Wow! What is this!? This is my security escort!? ?Well we are spread a little bit thin right now? ?Okay but you need to know if we come under fire you?re going to have put your lives on the line to protect me!?
Its blatantly obvious he?s right but any normal person would just feel their stomach clench a little tighter not state the obvious by telling them they will have to die in order to save his sorry ass.
Posted by: CluckChicken Jul 17th 2005, 9:23 AM
2 * 3 = 9?
I like SG-1 but can now say that I have given up on Atlantis. To me it seems like the writers are not sure where they are going with a story and they come across as forced.
Posted by: Sighfienerd Jul 17th 2005, 10:06 AM
Felger, that's a very good point. The writing was really stellar in this episode as they had to cover so many things in such a short period and still keep the story flowing. I thought the special effects were great too - more movie than TV quality. The Daedulus is very cool!
Strong introduction for the Pileggi character. I'm glad they didn't portray him as almost a caricature like in Everett's case. He has a very commanding presence but was also willing to listen to suggestions from others - so he's already somebody I would like to know more about.
Lots of fun things happening between McKay and well, everbody - and hiccup girl and Hermiod. And I have to admit that I'm turning into a Weir/Sheppard shipper, so that little scene between them was nice. You go, Lizzie!! I can't believe they took the theme song away though. I actually did make a point to listen to it every week because it was so very well done.
Posted by: ted_simple Jul 17th 2005, 10:56 AM
Sure it'll stay. Atlantis needs its Defiant.
Posted by: Felger Jul 17th 2005, 11:04 AM
I didn?t notice that but I actually thought the Hive Ships looked marginally like the Defiant; the front just reminded me of it for some strange reason. 
Its no surprise really when I think about it, we need it to have hyperspace window generators because the Prometheus had them; however the somewhat more compressed design made it bear resemblance to the Defiant? I?m doing a very good job of explaining this, so I?ll just stop.
Posted by: Happenstance Jul 17th 2005, 11:11 AM
Basically I meant to say more about what I liked/disliked about the episode but my frustration with Atlantis kind of took over. Im not a troll who just goes onto forums to complain about their subject so sorry about that.
Posted by: ted_simple Jul 17th 2005, 12:32 PM
Its no surprise really when I think about it, we need it to have hyperspace window generators because the Prometheus had them; however the somewhat more compressed design made it bear resemblance to the Defiant? I?m doing a very good job of explaining this, so I?ll just stop.
I've been giving myself almost the same explanation! There must be a practical reason for the design adjustments, you know! But in the end the "Defiant motivation" convinces me more.
Posted by: Madmickey Jul 17th 2005, 12:33 PM
Hi
On the Ancient super ship subject.
I looked back at episode 15 season 1 and the Ancient scientist( Janus thingy) who saves Dr Weir ( thinking mans crumpet in the Pegasus Galaxy). Said that the Atlantians sent their best Warships to escort the peace delegation. The effort failed and a hell of a battle ensued. He didnt mention it was an ambush nor did he say the fleet was destroyed.
If you follow the premise that the ancients left Atlantis intact so that they can one day return and finish the unfinished business with the Wraith it stands to reason they would have left some nice toys behind. Like ships. Probably submerged and hidden also.
If the basic premise of Atlantis is to take on the Wraith for the good of the Pegasus galaxy, It stands to reason they will need toys and lots of them.
The Deadulus is only a start and as Earth is still in the fight of it life in its own galaxy she will be needed elsewhere.
Also as it has been seen in SG1 sticking to gate worlds limits the plot possibilities so having a ship ( hopefully of the big and nasty variety) opens up all sorts of plot possibilities ( as well as p****ing of the Geni)
I will sign off at the as my wife has just told me I am a truely sad git.
Mike
Posted by: osti Jul 17th 2005, 1:06 PM
Hi.
New here. Just thought to say that ...
OK, couple of things:
1. Were any military consultants for this show? And why didn't they do their job?
2. Zats - why didn't they bring them to the mission?
3. Why is Sheppard so fixated on 'bringing the war to them'? Someone should tell him he's just a major. Not a general.
I like new shows, new ideas for the future, but that 'smart remarks in face of the enemy' doesn't work anymore. If I wanted to see how technobabel saves the day, then I'd watch Star Trek.
Hope they improve the show. Would be bad to see it turn ST.
LP
osti
________
"You're just jealous, because the voices don't talk to you, ... too!"
Posted by: Auntie Em! Jul 17th 2005, 1:26 PM
Well, there would have been no gate in the Pegasus galaxy when they got there. The ancients built the stargates and than spread them where they wanted them. Atlantis flew there to avoid the plague and from the look of the different stargates they used local material to build them. They may even not have naquiada in them. It was thus, not a waste of effort since there was not a gate there to gate to.
Posted by: Romulan Snitch- Tal'Shir Jul 17th 2005, 3:14 PM
The Daedalus looks very cool. Thankyou for posting that!
She looks more like the BSG than the Defiant, those hanger pod things are just too BSGish..
I just hope we don't get an episode where the Genii try and steal the Daedalus.
Posted by: ted_simple Jul 17th 2005, 3:35 PM
No, they've already done this c*** with the Prometheus.
Edit:
A quick retrospect on the three parter. I can't say I liked it in particular. The conclusion was satisfactory at least, there was action, there were surprises.
I hate to say it but I have an increasing problem with the command style on Atlantis. Or rather how they cope with the crisis, make up solutions on the go. The ideas to defend Atlantis with the satellite, or to cloak the entire city aren't that brilliant but rather boyish because they come up with them at 23:59 just so we viewers have an interesting plot with unexpected turning points.
In reality, I would rather picture intensive scenario calculations in the months/weeks before the Wraith arrived. No McKay macgyvering atom bombs in 12 hours. Be prepared. Set up the satellite, get the chair online, prepare the puddle jumpers with nukes BEFORE the Wraith arrive. Sorry but in life too late is sometimes too late. Plus the ultimate plan to cloak the entire city could also have been devised earlier. I know, Atlantis didn't have the ZPM, but that's only a partial excuse. Their alternate plan to destroy the city wasn't worked out either. Suddenly Zelenka is supposed to create a virus which will destroy the entire database. And on the way he also develops a way to compress ten percent of the database into the notebooks the team has brought with them. All within a matter of hours. That's absolutely unbelievable.
The kind of plot development was cheap. They should have made up tactical scenarios before the Wraith arrived. Then there would have been more space within the three-parter for really interesting plot development because the plans A, B and C would have had been established as viable options from the beginning. There must be room for sponanity but not like 95% of decisions and tactics is made up on the go.
They all did an amazing job if you consider what a range of measures they devised in a matter of days. But it makes me wonder what they have been doing all the weeks before except recording home videos, confronting their nightmares about the Wraith and mckaying about how much they could use a ZPM.
That's only a very selective assessment though, there were also many brilliant aspects about the show. The magnitude of the three-parter. Although for me the suspense didn't match that of The Storm/The Eye.
Posted by: That Chevron Guy Jul 17th 2005, 5:01 PM
One complaint: No that we've established they are tacticians, it's very hard to believe they bought the cloaking of the city as easily. One last salvo at the previous position of Atlantis - just to make sure there is nothing left which defies the sensors - should have been the minimum.
I loved McKay whispering while there was no need! I do it sometimes too, he has such a hang for the dramatic, the serious Weir was totally caught off guard!
Well, it is stated that the last thing they want to do is to help us destroy the city. And since they detecded nothing of Atlantis on their scanners they now think that the city has been demolished and probably have to take care of more important Wraith things first, before they might come back to colonize the planet and return to sleep.
Speaking of, why dos'nt the SGA crew lay low for a while, they just got a somewhat fully charged ZPM, why not take advantage of that and see whats left inside the city and let the Wraith return to their hibernation?
Posted by: gatenut Jul 17th 2005, 5:16 PM
WOW love this ep it was one of the best ep of Atlantis ever I dont know where to start ........ HOLY CRAP that was good the whole ep was well done the only thing that I
did not like was when they turned Ford in to the .....think I meen come on Ford was a good guy and what did he get for it a dip in the ice cold sea and a lazy eye that going to kill his love life.All I can say to Ford is you go boy kick some Wraith a$$ and take there
mojo.
hope they can keep the rest of the ep as good as this one
10/10 
Posted by: youngjediboy Jul 17th 2005, 5:29 PM
I'm wondering... is this going to be a new pattern for this series where every Colonel gets killed? Sort of like Sam's boyfriends always getting killed on SG-1.
Posted by: Lagger Jul 17th 2005, 6:28 PM
the wraith dont need to detect anything.... they could propably take pot shots at atlantis... and maybe a couple hit the transport....??? i mean its a ship with shields, maybe a scout dart, smashed straight into a invisible black wall... obviously the wraith would smell something fishy.....
Btw im sure that the fallout effect of the nuke, would also help cover them. Remember in the siege 2, when those nuke mines blew up, Altantis's sensors couldnt see anything...
Posted by: jayUK Jul 17th 2005, 6:41 PM
Since i live in the UK i have to wait till October...
Wait 'til October? You poor guy. I'm from the UK and i've seen the new episode!
You should find a friend with a fast bandwidth, hint hint!!!
Posted by: Auntie Em! Jul 17th 2005, 6:47 PM
Theres a whole thread with lots of pics of the new D. Look in the spoiler section of Atlantis.
The Chevron Guy that would be a pretty damn boring season.
Posted by: stargatefan566 Jul 17th 2005, 7:28 PM
Fords eye is really sweet
Posted by: jthg Jul 17th 2005, 10:36 PM
If the wraith are telepathic and there were still wraith left in the city when they cloaked... wouldn't the wraiths in orbit sort of know that the city is still there?
I'm surprised that no one's mentioned this in the last three pages, it seems like a pretty obvious plot hole.
Posted by: corduroy Jul 17th 2005, 10:56 PM
hmm, i liked this episode but i hope the season doesn't keep on going the way it's begun.
By that I mean that the team comes up with incredible ideas and technologies to solve their problems. I remember hearing someone say something about how star trek voyager did something like that, they encountered a problem and all of a sudden they find new technology or some new physics to "fix" whatever problem.
I mean, give the characters some agony and hardships to deal with instead of throwing in out of the way solutions (Teila magically shows up, Wraith magically immediately stop Asgard beaming technology, remaining Wraiths don't seem to pose much of a problem anymore (cmon, how cool would it have been if they had to lock out certain parts of the city due to an infestation of wraith and deal with them througout the season), etc).
One glaring problem that I don't think they addressed was the whole Wraiths blocking Asgard beaming technology. Ok, fine, I'll grudgingly accept the fact that the Wraiths can block nukes from going into their hive ships but why couldn't they have started depositing nukes just outside on the skin of each hive ship and blew them up from there. That would have caused considerable damage. Also, I don't think that they blocked beaming from the Daedalus because they were still able to nuke the outside of Atlantis at the end.
The storyline is great, but I have some reservations on the amount of effort going into the writing of each separate story.
Posted by: jermbug Jul 17th 2005, 11:04 PM
You should find a friend with a fast bandwidth, hint hint!!!
Okay, I've got fast bandwidth, where do I go to get it?
Posted by: Sighfienerd Jul 17th 2005, 11:07 PM
Actually, I've been trying to decide if his eye looks like that because of that Wraith enzyme he's been mainlining? Is it giving him Wraith characteristics? Or is it simply because the Wraith sucked some lifeforce out of him. Although I don't know why the whole age process thing would only have affected one side. We haven't seen that before.
Posted by: Auntie Em! Jul 17th 2005, 11:19 PM
I thought his body also incorrportated some of the wraith dna and that is why he looked like that?
Posted by: Sighfienerd Jul 17th 2005, 11:28 PM
The DNA incorporation would make sense - but why the heck is it only happening on one side?
Posted by: hobo_joe20 Jul 18th 2005, 12:01 AM
My guess, the DNA was corrupted by the enzymes, but only partly. Perhaps it mainly effected the left side of his brain (where certain thought processes are) and as such corrupted that part of his face as an end-result. If you notice, not that much was effected, and mainly he got a few wrinkles and the wicked-cool black eye.
Overall, good ep. Only problems I see: Solution to problems are coming out of nowhere. Hope they can build up to them in the future, and not have a character go "oh yea. we can do this"
Posted by: Sighfienerd Jul 18th 2005, 12:06 AM
And of course, it's an obvious ploy to represent his dual and conflicting natures - Good Aiden and Bad Aiden.
Posted by: Carter-Hot Jul 18th 2005, 4:47 AM
He got more than "just a few wrinkles and the wicked-cool black eye"! One blast from the Wraith Stunner and he didn't even go down!
Posted by: Lagger Jul 18th 2005, 5:31 AM
im sure a good ole explosive would...
Posted by: Carter-Hot Jul 18th 2005, 7:01 AM
We don't want Ford to be gone forever!
LOL
Posted by: hobo_joe20 Jul 18th 2005, 7:03 AM
I was referring to his physical appearance
but yes, looks like he was physically altered in terms of body chemistry too.I was just thinking about the whole "wraith stopping the asgard beam tech from locking on" thing. I figure that the wraith mean technology and asgard beam technology are similar, and therefore they would know of a way to prevent their own technology from being used against them
thus they are able to stop the asgard beam from beaming anything onto their ships.
Posted by: Carter-Hot Jul 18th 2005, 7:12 AM
Similar but different.
The writers will have to write an episode that explains Wraith technology someday possible for Season 4?
Like the Wraith beaming technology, it's primative compared to the Asgard's, the Wraith's basic usage is for capturing people, and Asgard's to transport things, the fact that the Wraith was able to adapt, was - Whoah!
Posted by: Cuokuo Jul 18th 2005, 8:06 AM
OMG OMG OMG
That was a heaps good ep ...
Finally able to come out of hibernation now that stargate has started up again.
Cant wait to see what else the season has got installed
Question...I wonder if the wraith find asguard tasty?
Posted by: Chakster Jul 18th 2005, 9:37 AM
because he is a major thats why, wouldnt matter if Sheppard were a 2nd LT or a General
when Col. Sumner got KIA, Sheppard became the head of security on Atlantis because he is the highest ranking officer, his job is to make sure that he do everything in his power to protect Atlantis and its inhabitants
Posted by: Pitry Jul 18th 2005, 10:49 AM
This show has got to stop throwing 2 hours' worth sorylines into 40 minutes. It was great but half the time i just went "WHAT?!". Techbabble didn't help, o'course.
Shame that the first time they gave Ford something substential to do, they throw him out of the show. I really loved the development with him - hopefully they'll explore it more throughout the show! Loved Rodney, loved Carson, as usual *snigger a tRodney going to sleep in the middle of the Wraith.) The bit about Teyla was odd - for a moment there I though the Wraith again took over her.
At times it really felt like SG1 tho - I mean, on the Daedalus with the Asgaard (swearing in Asgaardish! Brilliant!), Novak and the SGc uniform. Has it truely become one show, two hours?
Special effects were out of this world! Magnificient! (blah, we've never seen that in SG-1. We see who still getting all the money, meh!) All the explosions, uncluding the nuclear mushrooms, were jsut beautiful.
I think I'll have to watch it again to understand what jsut went on there, tho, eek. One ting they'll have to improve tho, was in0-series logic/consistency. Sorry, half the things about Wraith technology didn't make any sort of sense, other were contradicting what I'e come to expect in the previous season.
Posted by: fan_83 Jul 18th 2005, 1:05 PM
great show...
but kinda dumb in a way..
you could beam nukes near the hives to take them out..
also about the darts suicide runs.. i think they were meant to let the pilots beam onto atlantis and create havoc..
poor ford... at least now he will be ambushing wraiths to get their enzymes...
but what surprise me is that hes not affected by the stunner.. i mean humans and wraiths go down in one shot so why not ford???
Posted by: Sighfienerd Jul 18th 2005, 1:42 PM
you could beam nukes near the hives to take them out..
Would a nuclear bomb work in space? Seriously. I don't know. I thought that there was some theoretical physics bar to that which has yet to be overcome. But maybe I'm thinking of that ballistic missile defense thing from the 80s with the nuclear powered x-ray lasers.
Posted by: Stargate Master Jul 18th 2005, 1:53 PM
I have just saw this episode and I have to say it is absolutley excellent in every aspect. The action scenes with us fighting the Wraith were terrific, the Deadalus looks amazing especially when it was destroying those Hive ships. I have to say that Ford's weird eye looked great! The special effects were amazing especially when the Wraith were bombarding the Atlantis shield, that just looked spectacular. Overall, I would give this episode 10/10!
Posted by: Felger Jul 18th 2005, 2:23 PM
I'm surprised that no one's mentioned this in the last three pages, it seems like a pretty obvious plot hole.
The Wraith on Atlantis base died long before the cloak was activated as Zelenka told Weir that the last Wraith died in the deeper part of the city trying to damage it with a grenade. So the reason there was no telepathic communication was because there were no Wraith left on the base.
Posted by: ted_simple Jul 18th 2005, 3:16 PM
you could beam nukes near the hives to take them out..
You're right considering the puddle jumper was also just near the hive ship it destroyed. But if the Wraith managed to scramble the transport lock ONTO their ships, that probably included a large surrounding area as well.
They should have locked onto all of the targets first and THEN initiated the transports to leave as few time as possible for countermeasures...
It was the whole point of the weapon on Dakara to hit all Replicators simultaneously... but that kind of strategical thinking is obviously too much for the Daedalus crew.
Only explanation I have why it wasn't possibly technically... the ships were moving, maybe the lock had to be made just prior to transport, plus the Daedalus' limited systems can only make one lock at a time.
Posted by: Auntie Em! Jul 18th 2005, 7:10 PM
UNBELIEVEABLE!!!!
I am watching season opener "Seige part 3" and guess what!!!!!
Canadian channel has the FULL OPENING intro!!!!! I screamed so loud I scared my cats! The full minute one and it is SWEET!
Ok...finished the episode. All three back to back. It was very exciting. I loved it. I did not see them pulling any ideals out of their asses. Ford although only recurring now will get better play and be able to show off his acting skills. I see now why they did not take a pot shot at the cloaked city. Tala told them it was about to explode and they bought it. That makes much more sense.
I thought it was well written and acted. CGI was great.
Posted by: Lord Sebek Jul 18th 2005, 8:50 PM
Maybe Ford will turn out to be some kind of Wraith 'vampire'. Hunting down and killing individual Wraith, extracting their enzyme, and getting his fix.
Posted by: Krystian SG1 Jul 18th 2005, 9:35 PM
I loved this episode. Best episode so far. The Daedalus looks great, and they finally got an offensive ship. The best part for me was the battle sceen. The specila effects were great. They managed to do major damage to the Wraith fleet. As it stands now, they managed to destroy 5 hive ships out of a predicted 60.
Good to know that there is still humor in the show.
Weir: Why are you wispering?
McKay: I don't know, it seems like the right thing to do.
Posted by: Emric Jul 19th 2005, 2:28 AM
For the guy that wanted to know how to download the episode.
Erm, I hope i do not get booted from this, mods if this is considered bad then please delete this message.
Go to http://www.emule-project.net/home/perl/general.cgi?l=1 and download the emule client, install it and set it up, the only problem with emule is that you have to share bandwith for your up and downloads if your on a "limited" pay per meg connection this is not a solution for you, if your on a unlimited conection this is great, anyway.
Download emule and then go to http://www.the-realworld.de website, type stargate atlantis into the search engine there and have a nice night
Emric.
New Zealand.
Posted by: Lagger Jul 19th 2005, 6:42 AM
maybe the asgaurd beaming tech was stopped due to the virus, or sumthing i heard about will appear in intruder or sumthing?
Posted by: startreksuite Jul 19th 2005, 7:02 AM
and what the fu** was Fords lefteye black???
edit.
Posted by: startreksuite Jul 19th 2005, 7:06 AM
and what the fu** was Fords lefteye black???
edit.
Ford's eye was black to point out the wraith dna has partially taken over his body. According to Dr. Beckett, his brain chemistry as well. I guess they did this to make Ford a more interesting character, and add to the Atlantis storyline.
Posted by: startreksuite Jul 19th 2005, 7:12 AM
I saw this episode in the Boston Stargate Convention, and it was awesome! Ford falling off a ledge of the Atlantis, Tayla arriving at the last minute to save Rodney, some extra killing a wraith to save Coronel Everett, (found out his first name is Dylan). And yes, it's better than the season premiere of Sg-1, because they didn't change the team yet. What was Deluise, Wood, and the lot thinking? That the fans didn't notice? Oh well. I hope both shows do well this year 
Posted by: Auntie Em! Jul 19th 2005, 11:42 AM
Startreksuite
Are you going to say anything? If not that is spamming.
Erm, teaching people how to download SOOoo breaks the rules here. Arcady is not going to like it.
Posted by: Pitry Jul 19th 2005, 4:03 PM
Eek, Em, Canada is already playing the new season? they're gonna end it earlier than they did with season 1!
Posted by: Madmickey Jul 19th 2005, 4:05 PM
Are you going to say anything? If not that is spamming.
Erm, teaching people how to download SOOoo breaks the rules here.
Arcady is not going to like it.Hi
Trying not to be a kill joy here and I am seriously tempted to download it myself as I estimate it wont be available on DVD in the UK until Feb. I would doubt the legality of downloading it, Given that at the end of every episode on DVD there is reams of text in many languages ( ancient included) stating thou shalt not copy, hire out, lend or fileshare these televison programs with anyone under pain of instant banishment to a Gould held world. Where you will be put to death in a slow and agonising way ( probably watching endless episodes of the OC or Friends) and brought back to life in a Gouald Sarcoficise. To start the agonising process all over again
But HELL I AM TEMPTED
Mike
Posted by: Auntie Em! Jul 19th 2005, 5:52 PM
Madmickey They should actually put that on them. That would be just so FUN and Stargate worthy! Your reallly funny.
I myself am getting an american satellity dish and reciever to snatch the american signals which is not illegal in any way in Canada.
At least for Stargate, Atlantis S2 is already airing here.
Posted by: Nnahrino Jul 19th 2005, 6:21 PM
Just wondering if anyone else thinks this is slightly inconsistent with the rest of SG1 and Atlantis. In respects to how powerful the Wraith are.
The Deadlus held its own against a Wraith hive ship easy. It later was able to take on 12 simultaneously, although it was unable to destroy them the shields were capable of keeping them at bay for quite a while.
This got me to thinking that surely if the Deadlus is about equal then the Asgard ships (with advanced weapons) are far superior to the Wraith hive ships. So i put the Wraith ships about equal with the Goa'uld ships.
Which of course begs the question "how the hell did they beat the Ancients?".
If each of those satellites had ZPM powered shields then i dont see anyway that the Wraith could of won.
Especially if you think that when they left there were only about 60 Wraith hive ships left. The Asgard could probably come along now with 5-10 ships and wipe them out.
I was expecting alot more from them, with the wraith hive ships being better or equal to that of the Asgards. The beaming tactic would of been ok for the first couple but i dont think they should of been able to withstand the firepower of 10 hive ships for that long. Remember at that point they didnt even have the ZPM powering them.
Sorry long post. Anyone elses views on this matter?
Posted by: Auntie Em! Jul 19th 2005, 6:45 PM
The Wraith war happened 10,000 years ago. The Ancients were in a stale mate with the wraith. They lost the gallexy and the wraith with overwhelming forces went after Atlantis. It became a stalemate there. "Seige part 2" said that the Ancients won all the battles but could not win the war. So they finally gave up and returned to earth.
Asgard could have advanced in the last 10,000 years to become as powerful as the ancients.
Posted by: Nnahrino Jul 19th 2005, 7:03 PM
Asgard could have advanced in the last 10,000 years to become as powerful as the ancients.
Well they could have, but they haven't. Ancient technology is far superior than that of the Goa'uld ships of today (which is about comparitive to the hive ships using my basis above). Its made pretty clear in SG1 that Ancients are superior to Asgard.
But my point is, how did they get to a stale mate. 60 hive ships left? why not go to earth and return with 10 new ships 20years later.
My problem is that with the Wraith being shown as weak as they are in Siege part 3 i can't see how they'd possibly be equal to the Ancients. Especially as we know they only have 60 ships left now.
Posted by: startreksuite Jul 19th 2005, 7:09 PM
Are you going to say anything? If not that is spamming.
Erm, teaching people how to download SOOoo breaks the rules here.
Arcady is not going to like it.sorry Auntie Em! I'm a little rusty, it's been a good month since I did any chatting. I've been lectured by a higher power, and will be a better civilian.
Posted by: Auntie Em! Jul 19th 2005, 7:16 PM
Been pistle whipped have ya? Thats ok. The sting wears off eventually. I should know. It happened to me also.
Startrek, don't forget that the Ancients were also weak back than as they had lost a great many due to the plague.
I also think that the D has OLD asgard tech.
Posted by: Lagger Jul 20th 2005, 2:38 AM
i think so to auntie em...
Posted by: wack Jul 20th 2005, 6:20 AM
I loved every bit of this episode. Mckay standing up to two wraiths were awesome. The fighting was cool (to bad Dedalus was has ugly has Prometheus) atleast it showed a better way of how the ancients lost.
Good to see Rachel Luttrell has improved a little bit. Last year you could have replaced her with an inanimate carbon rod and no one would have noticed the diffrence.
Some of you don't get this. The Wraith don't use Shield technology beacuse it is a waste of energy. Ancients weaponry can pass through any shields. So why waste energy on something that doesn't work?
Posted by: WhoamI Jul 20th 2005, 7:34 AM
You should find a friend with a fast bandwidth, hint hint!!!
I like your hint, being in France...we won't get it until next year any hints on getting it faster
?
Posted by: Nnahrino Jul 20th 2005, 7:43 AM
yes that is true, but they seem to have rubbish weapons also. Seeing as the deadlus could withstand heavy fire for a long time. Thats all i was saying, the fact they dont use shields is ok, so they are destroyable but the deadlus shouldnt of been capable of taking such a beating from those 10 hive ships, if the Wraith are as powerful as they were thought to be to beat the Ancients. Unless there is a hidden reason of some kind why the Ancients lost i think they've made a big mistake.
Posted by: js84 Jul 20th 2005, 9:54 AM
?I got my hint from local television, a report talking about the illegal uses of bittorrent.
So I http://www.google.com it and am now using it legally on my webpage to distribute our homevideos without costly webspaces!
And legally (in Finland atleast) getting this episode 3 years before it would air here!
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/6433.cfm
Before you say anything, I remind everyone that I, like everyone else, downloaded ALL the episodes to was it 5 or 6 seasons of SG-1 from http://www.sg1archive.com site some years ago!
Posted by: wack Jul 20th 2005, 12:34 PM
The Ancients could take out the Wraith easily but the problem was there was to many of them. Every time you killed a dart 3 more will replace it. It started to wear down the road. Let me give you an example.
You and 4 of your friends are standing 20 meters from a big door. You each got a gun that can kill with one shot and it has 100 energy ammo lefts.
Out come 100 guys with a gun that is weaker then your with only 10 shots. At first you take out 5 of them. The other 95 will attack and kill you.
Quantity over quality.
Edit: If you want to watch stargate just download a torrent off it. There are free tools on the internet that hide your I.P. adress so your end up safe.
Posted by: Lagger Jul 21st 2005, 4:04 AM
i just think that the atlantians were whimps.... sooner or later, they would've triumphed.. shields are impenetratable, and they had 3 zpm's, knowledge of how to make more, and if they somehow advanced themselves even further.....
or they could have just created and used a similar weapon like the one at dakara, to wipe out the wraith
Posted by: hobo_joe20 Jul 21st 2005, 9:00 AM
We saw in this episode however, that a constant bombardment of the shields by wraith weapons would cause the shield to collapse eventually as the ZPMs could not recharge. So no, the shields were not impenetrable.
I really like the way they fooled the wraith in this one, so now they can still be the enemy and not have to worry tooo much about having them awarm atlantis again. My guess is that they will figure they simply relocated to another planet in pegasus so the Wraith will be searching for that.
Posted by: X303kicksass Jul 21st 2005, 11:28 AM
Well, technically, as long as the Ancients could make ZPM's, the shield was impenetrable.
Posted by: hobo_joe20 Jul 21st 2005, 11:30 AM
IF they could make them. I think they only had so many, and since it appears they they self-regenerate when not in use (according to MacKay in this episode) they figured they wouldn't need anymore.
Posted by: Lagger Jul 21st 2005, 8:12 PM
are u saying they recharge when not in use???
ill have to watch it again to make sure.
u reckon they recharge after their depleted, or only when they still have power?
Posted by: hobo_joe20 Jul 21st 2005, 10:23 PM
ill have to watch it again to make sure.
u reckon they recharge after their depleted, or only when they still have power?
MacKay says: "Well, the ZPMs would last forever, if only they were given time to replenesh." or something along those lines
Posted by: X303kicksass Jul 22nd 2005, 9:13 AM
Yea, but based upon that, wouldn't our (Antartica) one be able to regenerate, or was all the power used for Antartica and the Atlantis dial.
Posted by: hobo_joe20 Jul 22nd 2005, 9:27 AM
Not too sure how these things work ... but I guess we can assume that they don't get all their power back right away. So using the ZPM for the drones and then for dialing Atlantis could have depleted it. OR being exposed to the atmosphere on the planet where they got the ZPM from in the first place may have changed its properties. Maybe hindering its ability to replenish itself?
Posted by: Lagger Jul 22nd 2005, 9:52 PM
Lolz.. zpm's are ever lasting..
but wat epp was it in?
Posted by: startreksuite Jul 23rd 2005, 5:15 PM
The ZPM from Antartica was used up between the Lost City part 2 battle and powering the gate. If a fully depleted ZPM could be recharged, the Atlantis team wouldn't have gotten stuck in the Pegasus galaxy, and it wouldn't have been a one way trip.
Posted by: hobo_joe20 Jul 23rd 2005, 5:48 PM
ZPMs are clearly NOT everlasting, as a few have been either discovered depleted (out of power) or they have BEEN depleted by the SGC.
What episode was what in?
... and is it so much of a problem to actually spell out the words on a forum, properly at that? Chats, it's understandable as it's real time. Here, people have quite alot of time to read and respond.
Posted by: Lagger Jul 24th 2005, 12:50 AM
wat epp did macaky say
MacKay says: "Well, the ZPMs would last forever, if only they were given time to replenesh." or something along those lines
Posted by: hobo_joe20 Jul 24th 2005, 1:16 AM
MacKay says: "Well, the ZPMs would last forever, if only they were given time to replenesh." or something along those lines
This one.
Shortly after the Wraith begin the bombardment on the Atlantis shields.
Posted by: Rikaelus Jul 24th 2005, 3:11 PM
Three things to add/append from reading the last few pages...
ZPMs:
I don't think McKay says the ZPMs are ever-lasting. Someone asked him how long the shields will hold and he said that, without the bombardment, almost indefinately, but only days with the bombardment. That's the only thing I recall him saying that you might be referring to.
Ford:
Ford hasn't been given Wraith DNA, he was only given the enzyme which makes the host stronger so that they live through the feeding process. His body became biochemically dependent upon this enzyme which means a) he needs to constantly find more to stay alive and 
he'll be stronger than both humans and wraith while he has it. It has also had an addiction-like effect on his personality. As for his physical changes (his eye), there's really no need to assume it's Wraith DNA doing it or anything. He basically overdosed on the enzyme and that's going to have side-effects. It has nothing to do with DNA.
Wraith immunity to beams:
Someone mentioned earlier that the Wraith were blocking the ability to get coordinates, so the Asguard should have calculated all of the coordinates before beaming. I don't recall anything indicating this in the episode. They were blocking the beam - not the ability to get coordinates. They never lost the intel regarding the positions of the Wraith ships, so there's no reason they couldn't have obtained the beaming coordinates. It's also entirely possible the beams were blocked simply by the Wraith activating internal energy fields - they just had to figure out how the ships were being destroyed so quickly by the nukes being beamed on board.
Posted by: Felger Jul 24th 2005, 6:38 PM
This is a ridiculously random question and will make me sound like an idiot because it?s of no relevance to current discussions but does anybody else notice the similarity between Charlotte from Sex and the City and Novak?
I was watching the episode again and for the shortest time I thought it was her due to body language, voice pitch, and features. Perhaps I?m insane and unless you profoundly agree don?t dignify this rubbish with an answer!
Posted by: IndyJan Jul 26th 2005, 4:48 PM
ZPMs are not everlasting. There is a time limit to them, they just don't know how long. I just watched Frozen from Season 6 again. In it Sam mentioned that the DHD that was recovered in the Antartica no longer has power. It only lasted a few times, dialing up and then nothing. She said it was the first time that they had learned that the power source for the DHD is not everlasting. I'm assuming this is because the ZPMs and the gates/DHDs were built by the Ancients. Obviously, even though the Ancients were smart and definitely way more technical than we are, they did have their limits.
Posted by: Auntie Em! Jul 26th 2005, 6:13 PM
The power of a ZPM is everlasting. The material that makes the ZPM and contains the energy is limited in its life. This is the only limiting factor to them. If the Ancients had been able to find a vessel to contain the energy and it would never break down due to old age than they would last forever.
Posted by: Heru-ER Jul 27th 2005, 3:58 PM
This episode was great lots of great effect, I was shock to see Daedalus firing rail guns, give it a 10
It would be cool if any ancient appear and then destroy all the Wraith ships, cuz i didnt like that thing of the hoax of the destruction of atlantis
Posted by: Lagger Jul 27th 2005, 7:29 PM
it didnt say that... he said the shield would last indefinitley.....without wraith fire.
then wouldnt all teh abandoned ZPM all over the MW would have regenerated over the thousands of years? and become full again... doesnt seem likely...
Posted by: startreksuite Jul 28th 2005, 6:15 AM
then wouldnt all teh abandoned ZPM all over the MW would have regenerated over the thousands of years? and become full again... doesnt seem likely...
If the ZPMs lasted forever, there would be no concern about the shields of Altantis, no need to look for other ZPMs to replace the depleted ones. These ZPMs may be rechargable, but if the energy source is completely depleted, there will be nothing left to recharge!
Posted by: JamesyBHOY Jul 30th 2005, 10:44 AM
I'm pretty certain that he wasn't referring to the ZPM lasting indefinitely as it would have never ran out of juice. I'm sure he was meaning more along the lines of it lasting them indefinitely, One ZPM could power the Shields + limited other systems for over 3000 years. So running one with Shields, Sensors etc would last them for a 1000 or so years. Bearing in mind that they could continue to power a lot of other things with their own Naquadah genny's. So without any shield impacts to drain the ZPM then it would basically last a good few human lifetimes.
Posted by: Lagger Aug 1st 2005, 3:48 AM
Lolz......
and im trusting they reckon they'll fine more in those 1000 years....
by that time we wont even need atlantis, just ship all the good stuff back to earth....
wonder if theres one of those head sucking things that put heaps of info into ur mind.. the one o'neil loves using
Posted by: dr_n_tesla Aug 2nd 2005, 3:54 AM
I wonder how easy it will be to interface a stealth mode generator to the Daedaus? It would make it even better as they would be able to passively acquire coordinates and lock on then deploy nukes while being cloaked. I say passively acquire so they are not actively emitting signals that would give their position away. They would just have the nukes lined up with their coordinates ready to go, 1 second is more than enough to deploy each nuke. It would be raining nukes on the Wraith Hive ships before we decloaked and entered hyperspace.
Posted by: LyaOfTheNox Aug 4th 2005, 2:03 AM
ummm, it may just be me being an idiot and overlooking something major, but I thought one had to have the ATA gene to use the Jummper. So then how could Ford fly the ship out of the gate? He doesn't have the gene right?
Posted by: startreksuite Aug 4th 2005, 6:41 AM
Dr. Beckett found a way to inject the ATA gene into other people. In the episode The Seige pt 1, you will notice other people flying the puddle jumpers to intercept a wraith dart. They originally did not have the gene. So McKay has it as well, had to be the first one to have it, since he is a genius he can't be left out of an advanced genetic structure.
Posted by: hobo_joe20 Aug 4th 2005, 7:18 AM
The gene therapy on Ford failed, meaning he DID NOT have the ancient gene, even after they attempted to add it. However, the PJ appears to have a "automatic pilot" where once you dial the gate from the PJ is will fly through it on its own accord. Of course, once its on the other side it would land within feet of the gate unless you had the gene to fly it further.
Posted by: JamesyBHOY Aug 4th 2005, 1:58 PM
It actually doesn't go through on it's own accord. You actually have to push the stick to make it go forward & through. Once it gets through it detects that you don't have it & it goes down. Still it would have been good to have Ford actually have the gene & see him go on the rampage against the Wraith. They could have showed him doing some extreme things that the normal Atlantis teams would never have had the grapefruits to do.
Posted by: startreksuite Aug 4th 2005, 6:22 PM
If it goes down if you don't have the gene, how did ford get through? Was this an oversight of the Atlantis producers? Wouldn't be the first time!
Posted by: JamesyBHOY Aug 4th 2005, 7:42 PM
The Jumper goes through the gate automatically, when the DHD is pressed, the ceiling retracts & the Jumper lowers in to the Gate Room, That's all done automatically. When it lowers down, the gate has already been activated. As long as you don't have Wraith DNA then anybody can do this. You then push forward on the control stick & it goes through. By the time it reaches the other side, it goes an undisclosed distance from the gate then detecting that the pilot doesn't have the Ancient gene, it automatically sets itself down & switches itself off.
Then Shep & his team would have came through a few minutes after they were sure the Wraith fleet was totally gone & recovered the PJ. Ford by then would of course have been already in another planet via the Stargate.
This part I'm not 100% sure on but Coming back, it's most likely something similar. The problem here is that you need to be in a very close proximity to the SG when the DHD is dialled for it to go into Auto mode. If the Jumper is close enough to the gate when the DHD is pressed & the gate locks, then from the conversation in "38 Minutes"
MARKHAM: I think I?ve got it lined up pretty close.
FORD: No such thing as close. You thread the needle or we?re dead.
MARKHAM: All right.
FORD: Ok, you can do it. Nice and easy. *turns to speak to McKay* Ok. I think we?re close enough to dial the gate.
MCKAY: Yes! Yes! Just hurry up and get us back.
*Stackhouse presses the dialing pad, we see the puddle jumper headed to the gate in the distance. Back inside the ship, Sheppard has a large black insect wrapped around his throat.*
SHEPPARD: Get this damn thing off me!
TEYLA: We can?t.
SHEPPARD: *looks at McKay* Cut it off.
MCKAY: As soon as we establish a connection, radio back that we?ve got a medical emergency.
TEYLA: There must be something we can do for him.
MCKAY: There?s an emergency first aid kit behind the pilot?s seat, get it.
*Teyla runs to the front of the ship and gets the kit*
MCKAY: Major, everything we can try to remove it just makes the pain worse. Now try to be still.
*Teyla moves between the pilots*
TEYLA: Is there no way to go faster?
STACKHOUSE: He?s just trying to get us back in one piece.
*we see the puddle jumper moving closer to the gate, the two engines begin to retract into the ship, but not entirely*
FORD: Atlantis base, this is Ford. Jumper One is inbound with a medical emergency. Please respond.
SCENE: Inside Atlantis gateroom. Weir walks into control room.
WEIR: What?s going on?
TECHNICIAN: The reconnaissance team is reporting a medical emergency. I?ve alerted Dr. Beckett. He?s on his way.
WEIR: Put on Major Sheppard.
TECHNICIAN: He?s the one who?s injured.
*Weir looks up with concern*
SCENE: Inside the puddle jumper. McKay and Teyla are sitting on either side of Sheppard. McKay is going through the first aid kit.
MCKAY: What am I expecting to find in here that?s going to get rid of that thing?
TEYLA: Something for the pain.
MCKAY: I don?t think Tylenol?s going to do it. He needs a doctor! How much longer?
FORD: Almost there. *into mic* Flight, Jumper One on final approach.
SCENE: The scene goes from Ford in the jumper to Weir in the control room.
WEIR: This is Weir. What?s the nature of Major Sheppard?s injury?
FORD: Some sort of funky alien bug attached itself to his neck. He?s completely immobile.
WEIR: *looks concerned* What?s it doing to him?
FORD: *through speaker* We don?t know, but we can?t get it off him and we tried everything.
WEIR: You understand the risk of bringing something like that back to Atlantis?
FORD: Yes, Ma?am, I do, but we really don?t have a choice in the matter.
WEIR: Understood Lieutenant. Good Luck. *to soldier* Quarantine the jumper bay.
SCENE: In the jumper, Teyla is using strips of gauze to wipe off Sheppard. The jumper is approaching the gate.
FORD: *pats Markham?s shoulder* It?s all automatic from here. *to McKay* Here we go!
*The jumper begins to move through the gate, but the right engine scrapes against the inner ring. The crew is thrown around inside, the lights go out and they are stuck halfway through the active gate.*
It can be assumed that it does indeed go both ways. The major problem here is that when going out then the Jumpers are parked in the bay & so very close to dial the gate. Coming back, means your already oin an away mission. So would need someone with the Gene to fly the Jumper to a close enough proximity to the SG to enable them to use the DHD to dial. Only then could the pilot with the Ancient gene safely relinquish controls to anyone that doesn't have it in the ship. Then when they get through it's still full auto & the roof retracts again & the Jumper rises up & docks back in the bay.
That's basically about it.
Posted by: stargate_addict Aug 21st 2005, 12:04 PM
All i have to say is nice that episode had the best special effects i thought that the sheild being bombarded bye weapons was pretty in it's on way.
Posted by: supra odin Aug 21st 2005, 4:58 PM
Well by hearing u ppl i think this episode is really great but it won't be available for me till october, so can any1 tell wat hap to ford, to the hive ships(were all of them destroyed) and how were they destroyed, wat hap to the other wraith after the attack did they run away or all of them were destroyed, thanx
Posted by: stargate_addict Aug 21st 2005, 6:01 PM
Oh i'm sorry, well what happend to ford was, this wraith attacked him and they were blown off a bridge of Atlantis. Ford was kept alive in the water by the enzyms the wraith created flowing through his blood. The wraith died and then Ford went crazy and started acting like a wraith then at the end he left Atlantis. some of the hive ships were destroyed by the Dedilious teleporting nuculear war heads in there ship. In the end The atlantians fooled the Wraith into beleiving that Atlantis was destroyed and the Wraith left.
Posted by: supra odin Aug 24th 2005, 12:52 PM
thanx for clearing things out stargate_addict,( btw i'm also addict to stargate
)
Posted by: cvvrede Aug 24th 2005, 1:56 PM
I've always thought that the risk of an episode with three parts always is that the story becomes boring. That definitely didn?t happen here. In my opinion this part was the best of the three.
The Daedalus: very cool. I liked the idea of mixing Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis and it didn?t disappoint. The jokes with Hermiod, and Mitch Pileggi in the role of the Colonel Caldwell were very cool. I didn't think for one moment that Sheppard would die, but I didn't expect this. I did like the hug he got from Elizabeth and his reaction to it.
I also liked that they gave in to the philosophy of Stargate The Movie: the best use for atomic bombs is blowing up alien spaceships. And very funny thing was using Asgard technology to do it is frowned upon by the Asgard. But it did create a very awesome scene: the Daedalus VS twelve Wraith ships, or better Earth VS the Wraith.
I have to admit, from the five main characters I liked Aiden Ford the least, but I didn?t expect that he would turn evil. I didn't think he had it in him, but he was very scary and convincing as a half-Wraith. I didn't love this part, but I did think Ford is better off as a guest star than a main character (sorry for everybody out therre who likes Ford).
I thought the idea to hide the city was fantastic and any episode with a lot of A-bombs blowing up is a good one (unless people die). My conclusion: a successful end to a three-part episode.
Posted by: supra odin Aug 26th 2005, 12:32 PM
Quote from above "I didn't think for one moment that Sheppard would die"
Does that mean Sheppard is no longer in the episode now is he really dead?
Posted by: hobo_joe20 Aug 26th 2005, 12:42 PM
Does that mean Sheppard is no longer in the episode now
is he really dead?Watch the episode and find out for yourself!
Posted by: tinydancer Aug 26th 2005, 9:05 PM
So I finally saw this episode and it was AWESOME. Seriously, I thought it was one of the best episodes of Atlantis yet.
Firstly, the Daedelus. Like, so effin cool. And I like that Novak chick, she's cool. Although the Colonel is a bit of a nob. I swear I had no idea how they were gonna get out of trouble when there was the 12 (then 10) Hive Ships coming and McKay's like - "the sheild ain't gonna last". But the fabulous Sheppard, as always, saves the day.
I think it's really sad, what's happened to Ford, and I hope he doesn't get too messed up. But then, I suppose you can't get more messed up than he already is, huh?
I hope I see the next episodes soon!
Posted by: Christy Sep 8th 2005, 7:04 AM
The fact that it always seems like a character is about to die but then they don't die bugs me.
I mean with Atlantis it is ok because they havent done it that often but it does seem to get repeatative.
I hope that doesnt become the case with Atlantis.
Posted by: sheppardj Sep 13th 2005, 1:15 AM
Yeah you have a good point there Christy
I loved this epsiode it was both sad aswell as funny with rodney's coments.
Posted by: Christy Sep 13th 2005, 3:20 AM
I wish they would make Rodney a stronger character...he seems to weak for me, he's good at being funny but sometimes the way they script him is just stupid
Posted by: General_Jack_O'Neill Sep 26th 2005, 1:04 AM
Out of all the thing that they brought to Atlantis, why didn't they bring ZAT guns? if they did they would has a huge advantage over the Wraith.
Posted by: startreksuite Sep 26th 2005, 7:04 AM
Good question! This was posed earlier by other members, and we couldn't figure it out. My guess is that they didn't have enough storage, or forgot to bring them. or they were more comfortable with earth based weapons.
Posted by: Lagger Oct 10th 2005, 5:44 AM
wot i didnt understand was.. y didnt they beam the nukes outside the wraith vessels...
a nukes a nukes a nuke, u dont need to put it inside something to damage it..
after all, they originally wanted to place nuclear mines out in space.
so when wraith ships touch it KABOOM, y not just beam the nukes right outside their windows, it wont blow em up completly but they'd be pretty damn damged
Posted by: Dafmeister Oct 19th 2005, 3:03 PM
Brilliant episode. I was looking forward to this episode more than the premiere episode of SG1. Loved the bit where the Daedalus showed up. Definitely a ship moment with Weir and Sheppard when he returned. Ford was especially creepy, just as his character gets interesting he disappears.
The only nitpick I've got is what happened to the Athosians on the surface? The team dont mention them when most of the crew are evacuated onto the Daedalus. If they were evacuated what will happen to them now? The atmosphere and land are going to be affected by the fallout from the nuke.
Posted by: hobo_joe20 Oct 19th 2005, 3:10 PM
The only nitpick I've got is what happened to the Athosians on the surface? The team dont mention them when most of the crew are evacuated onto the Daedalus. If they were evacuated what will happen to them now? The atmosphere and land are going to be affected by the fallout from the nuke.
You know, I never really thought about that one, but it is a huge nitpick. Perhaps the land is far enough away to not get effected? Or .... up comming plotline? Wait, I guess I'm giving TPTB too much credit for something so small, but you never know ...
Posted by: hawkes Oct 20th 2005, 12:43 AM
Weren't the Athosians evacuated to Atlantis in the previous episodes? I mean i'm sure we saw some of them fighting the Wraith when they invaded the city. And if so, i'd think those unable to fight would have been evacuated to the Daedalus.
As for the fallout affecting the land, isn't the land quite a distance away from the city? And wasn't it said that the radiation wouldn't last for long? I could be mistaken on that part.
Posted by: glom Oct 21st 2005, 12:45 PM
The badass seige kind of fizzled out. Ford's predicament at the end of the last episode was resolved thanks to Wraith guards being idiots. Shepherd's predicament was resolved with a bit fat cliche. Transporters are really a deus ex machina and when you bring them in, it's only a short time until you find that small concentrations of actinides disrupt their operation (in other words an Abrams tank is shielded against ST transporters). We took a dangerously close step today with the countermeasures bit. Fortunately, we were spared too much stupidity with that because the nature of the counter measures was unknown, so they didn't humiliate themselves by blaming it on a hydrogen-alpha field (or red light as it's commonly known).
When it comes to ships, I wish the writers would employ a Navy advisor to help them design space battles that make sense. The word "flanking" should not appear in any battle where any side has access to long range weapons. These are not 19th century galleons. On the plus side, even if it didn't appear that way from the viseffects, Shepherd did refer to a scale that was significantly greater that a few miles, which beats ST, but still is too small. Orbital space is heck of a lot of real estate.
Some have complained about the lack of 302s. I think it was a good thing about the show because it made more sense. When you've got a cruiser armed to the teeth with rail guns, you don't want fighters out there getting caught in the cross fire.
Having Hermod there was cool. It made sense as well that the Asgard would have some interest in preserving the Great City and so would send their messenger of the gods, the one brave enough to face Hel, ruler of the underworld (Hel representing the Wraith) and with Odin's steed Sleipnir (that being the technology given to Midgard by approval of the High Council over which Odin presides) he would travel to the Underworld. He even brought along his magical staff Gambantein (that being the console he was using).
The Ford bit was good. At least it meant real consequences and the introduction of the enzyme technobabble actually made sense. From what I know of biology, hormone might have been better though. Hormones are chemical messengers and they instruct the body to do things. An enzyme simply catalyses a particular chemical reaction. What particular chemical reaction could be catalysed that could keep the body resilient during feeding?
Posted by: togar Oct 24th 2005, 10:53 AM
how coudl the zpm work for a ship in hyperspace/subspace, if it derives its power from "a self contained region of subspace" if they were in subspace, what woudl it derive its power from?
Posted by: ali Oct 24th 2005, 2:23 PM
I'd forgotten how much I love Atlantis!
That explosion above the city looked amazing, and Ford is just damn creepy now.
Great scene with Rodney and those two Wraith. I love the fact that they've been there and year and he still can't use a gun properly.
*is off to re-watch Season one*
Posted by: mini_jack Oct 25th 2005, 5:15 PM
wow well worth the long wait to see that episode. how the Daedalus just destored the hive ships with ease and surviving 10 or so firering at it. but the best bit graphicly and writing wise had to have been who they tricked the waith just genioius.
i don't know if this has been brought up or not but when the renforcements came from eath they said that the Daedalus would be there in 4 days. well when shepard was in the puddle jumper heading towards the hive ship i don't think 4 days had passed form the time they were told it was on its way.
Posted by: Dafmeister Oct 25th 2005, 8:08 PM
Posted by: Happy Hopping Oct 28th 2005, 3:14 PM
I have an off topic question, what happen to all the Friday light repeats at SciFi channel? It seems they are all gone this Friday. Did it move? As I miss some episodes and would like to watch them. Anyone?
Posted by: startreksuite Oct 29th 2005, 8:18 AM
check out www.scifi.com/schedulebot , and you will notice starting nov.4th that they are starting season 9 over again (which happends to be on a friday). I'm sure the channel did this so they could show b movies so we would miss stargate even more. And good news, they have been picked up for a 10th season!
Posted by: Christy Nov 10th 2005, 1:42 AM
YAY! STARGATE FOR A 10TH SEASON!
that's great news, given BB more of a chance to interact with everyone and more show time for him...i mean...think about the guy that played Jonas..one little season...ah well.
Now back to SGA, this episode was pretty cool, you gotta admit that.
I liked the way teyla just came in and save Mckay but it didnt feel right, it seemed too conveniant and i didn't believe her acting.
Posted by: Cindy Dec 21st 2005, 9:20 PM
I am thinking that the power source for the DHD only runs out when the gate is not in use for a long time. Therefore the power source recharges every time the gate is activated otherwise the gate system would have been inactive by now because the acients built the system thousands of years ago. Man those acients are smart
Posted by: Cindy Dec 21st 2005, 9:29 PM
In the first episode of season 1 of atlantis Dr McKay explained to O'Neill that the ZPM draws it's energy for sub-space time. So according to that the ZPM should never run out.
Posted by: Dafmeister Dec 21st 2005, 9:42 PM
Yes we know that. That was established a while ago. It isnt that the ZPM runs out, it is the material that contains the region of sub-space that begins to degrade.
Posted by: Auntie Em! Dec 22nd 2005, 1:12 AM
Thousands of years ago? Try millions of years ago.
Also you double posted Cindy. You could have put the second post inside the first post.
Posted by: dr lee Dec 22nd 2005, 11:32 AM
some one mentioned way bak in this thread about no 302s being launched. i was watching this episode earlier and i thought that i heard caldwell say something about the 302 pilots launching or something like that. i think it was just b4 the opening credits. i just realised that i haven't commented in here yet....
i found it the best episode up until then. amazing graphics, good comedic moments, everett getting his comeuppence and that hug moment. the way that the hug was done was nice with sheppard almost shocked at weir hugging him. nice to see the asguard using an asguardian console as well as the deadalus' ones.
i think the kamakarzi wraith was just to explain how the darts were delt with.
Posted by: Carter-Hot Dec 22nd 2005, 11:44 AM
I know.
In that scene, Caldwell goes --
"Get the rail guns online and launch the fighters"
But he never does.
Posted by: Cindy Jan 4th 2006, 9:59 PM
I'm not sure if anyone else talked about this cause I didn't read the whole thread but did anyone else realise that aiden flew the jumper even though he didn't have the gene As far as I know aiden didn't get the gene therapy or have I missed something?
Also you double posted Cindy. You could have put the second post inside the first post.
Right, sorry
Posted by: startreksuite Jan 5th 2006, 7:42 AM
I'm not sure if anyone else talked about this cause I didn't read the whole thread but did anyone else realise that aiden flew the jumper even though he didn't have the gene
As far as I know aiden didn't get the gene therapy or have I missed something? Right, sorry
According to one member, Ford could send a jumper through the stargate on Atlantis, kind like an autopilot situation, until the ship is through the gate, then it will stop, because Ford was unable to meld with the gene therapy.
Posted by: Gotanks Jan 9th 2006, 9:17 AM
I'm not sure if anyone else talked about this cause I didn't read the whole thread but did anyone else realise that aiden flew the jumper even though he didn't have the gene
As far as I know aiden didn't get the gene therapy or have I missed something? Right, sorry
Everyone on the base got it in Siege Part II.
Posted by: Dafmeister Jan 9th 2006, 9:35 AM
No they didnt. Only the Marines brought by Everett got the gene therapy in 'The Seige'. If you recall in 'Hot Zone' Ford was scared that he would die from the virus because he didnt have Ancient gene. Ford does not have the Ancient gene either because he hasnt had the gene therapy or because it didnt work on him.
Posted by: Gotanks Jan 10th 2006, 1:58 PM
Oh nevermind then, I got a bad memory.
Posted by: blackbelt83 Feb 1st 2006, 8:48 PM
I just like the suspence it was a great cliff hanger
Posted by: Dafmeister Feb 1st 2006, 9:19 PM
Posted by: 38_mins moo Feb 6th 2006, 10:20 AM
great cliffhanger and this was a good episode but i feel that it let the trilogy down. It was too quickly resolved after such a long build up in season 1.
Posted by: Aticus Feb 28th 2006, 8:58 AM
Does anyone know how many nukes the Daedalus might have on the ship?
Posted by: hobo_joe20 Feb 28th 2006, 12:29 PM
Does anyone know how many nukes the Daedalus might have on the ship?
> 2
I don't think it was referenced anywhere the number of nukes they had. All we DO know for sure it how many times they have used them, or tried to use them (a total of 2 uses, +1 for attempts as of the end of Season 2). So that means a minimum of 3, but most likely more.
Posted by: Dafmeister Feb 28th 2006, 12:59 PM
In this episode they learn that twelve hive ships are on their way to Atlantis, plus the three that were used at the beginning of the episode so that means it has at least 15.
Posted by: Alley Mar 16th 2006, 5:33 PM
Awesomeness becomes this show. I have to say that Hermoid/Hermod was quite an endearing fellow! Lol. I love the way he mumbled curses to himself. The Daedalus was more than I hoped for. Definately one of the coolest ships ever on the Stargate series.
The one part with all the bombardment coming down on the shields and the comments of the it being "almost pretty" by Mckay was right on the spot! Great plotline all together.
Wow, it's great to have this show back again...I was having withdrawal symptoms!
Aquila the Ancient
I so agree with you i love this episode, it is so nice to have it back again. I was starting to feel abandond but any way i love this show. Oh and if you go on my space, my logo that every body sees is SGA is my hero in big letters. but ya, this episode rocks, it was pretty!
Posted by: Christy Mar 31st 2006, 9:49 AM
When i was finally able to watch this episode i was so happy.
In this post i would like to discuss a scene which was so sweeeeeet.
Jump to time index 14:15. When Shep gets back to Atlantis...it is so sweet the way Shep and Weir hug but you can notice how he wasnt prepared for it, at least thats the way he portrayed it.
But it was also touching and you could see the warmth and familiarity which came with that hug.
So this is the start of some shipping me thinks.
The episode was well written if not dragged out a bit.
The emotion in the episode was good if not slightly overboard.
It was good to see Rodney being a smart ass like usual but i guess i just missed that in the 3-5 months it took me to watch the episode.
Posted by: KillerMarv May 31st 2006, 9:00 AM
To anyone who reads this, this discussion started in the S01E13 Hot Zone thread...
Maybe his move doesn't suggest pushing something forward, but he is definetely pressing something, or interacting with some sort of control... He is not in the pilot seat, so it makes me suggest that there is a way to pause the automatic sequence, and when he pressed whatever he pressed, I think he unpaused it... That sounds better than a nitpick, I think it also sounds plausable.
Posted by: Auntie Em! May 31st 2006, 10:18 AM
To anyone who reads this, this discussion started in the S01E13 Hot Zone thread...
Maybe his move doesn't suggest pushing something forward, but he is definetely pressing something, or interacting with some sort of control... He is not in the pilot seat, so it makes me suggest that there is a way to pause the automatic sequence, and when he pressed whatever he pressed, I think he unpaused it... That sounds better than a nitpick, I think it also sounds plausable.
Marv dude what the hell are ya talkin about?
Can you give me the gist of what it was you talked about?
Posted by: Dafmeister May 31st 2006, 10:23 AM
We were discussing how Ford escaped in this episode but it was started off in the 'Hot Zone' thread and because everything had to be hidden behind spoiler tags I said to continue the discussion in this thread.
Posted by: Gruber Jul 10th 2006, 2:50 PM
Great episode, and was really amased by the quick response of the wraith.
Posted by: Ancient Kane Jul 22nd 2006, 3:41 PM
Does anyone know how many nukes the Daedalus might have on the ship?
watch the first episode of season 3 u see all of the nukes leave the deadalus and they are launched at the hive ship. Maybe if u count them all and work it all out u could figure it out
Posted by: Auntie Em! Jul 22nd 2006, 9:16 PM
Kane what the hell are you doing? Shut the hell up about future episodes in the episodes discussion sections. You can only talk about thngs in the past and nothing in the future unless you use spoiler tags.
Posted by: Xen Sep 23rd 2006, 9:18 PM
I just watch this ep, I love it. But I have one question. How the hell did Ford fly the jumper? I thought he didnt have the ancient gene (or how ever you spell it) and he was sitting in the co-pilot char.
I tried reading the whole thread, but only got to page 4, sorry if this was already asked.
Posted by: Dafmeister Sep 26th 2006, 8:57 AM
He only had to input a Stargate address. Once he activated the Stargate, the Puddle Jumper launched automatically and would have just landed when he exited the destination Stargate.
Posted by: Xen Sep 26th 2006, 2:54 PM
Ahhh thats what I thought happened. After watching it two times, it makes a little more sence. Thanks.
Posted by: laurab Nov 17th 2006, 3:49 AM
Aussie fans got jibbed!
I was expecting the new intro credits- what we got was the old s1 credits.
Maybe they're waiting to show Ronon's first ep before the new credits get used.
Anyway, onto the ACTUAL episode!
McKay's attempt to fight off the Wraith- sooo funny . He can't even save his own life. He was sooo lucky to be saved by Teyla. (Thank God she is ok! )
Oh, and for the record, Shep's cloaking idea wasn't exactly out of the blue. Zelenka had said something about tricking the Wraiths, and that gave him the idea. But, when he did say his idea, I went "Finally! He comes in handy! (about time he did something)"
I LOVED the ending- how the camera was looking down, and Atlantis re-appears in the middle of the cloud from the nuke. The nuke gave off a nice explosion- must have cost them a lot to do though.....
This episode has to be the best ep so far. It did give me a couple of freaking out attacks, but I'm ok now.
(The first attack happened when Shep got the order to de-cloak, when he was sooo close to the Wraith ships! )
Anywhoo....
See ya!
Laura.
Posted by: slayr-cxf50 Nov 20th 2006, 3:43 AM
Perfect ending to that cliffhanger! Fantastic fight scenes -- Ah yeahhh, they kept me on the edge of my seat the whole hour.
When the show seems to get intense and dark, McKay lightens it up again. Twice in this ep! lol, funny stuff. But couldnt he shoot a gun before? When was that, um... "The Defiant One" or something...
Anyway, what happened to Ford? He was a great addition to the show with his childishness (in more senses than one). I don't want him to go!!! NOOO!!!!
Don't want to be spoiled, so I'm not looking at the credits or anything for Season 2. Like laurab said, we didnt see the new ones here.
I can tell this season is going to be some good stuff.
Posted by: Dafmeister Nov 20th 2006, 4:46 AM
Anyway, what happened to Ford? He was a great addition to the show with his childishness (in more senses than one). I don't want him to go!!! NOOO!!!!
Posted by: laurab Nov 20th 2006, 8:01 PM
I thought they would keep them till Ronon's introductorary episode- which, I hope to God, is in the next week or 2, as Ford left.
Just remembered Shep running after Ford- chasing him around Atlantis. How come none of the others helped out?
Posted by: Dafmeister Nov 20th 2006, 8:04 PM
Posted by: KillerDanny Jun 11th 2007, 4:45 AM
I won't comment on the rest of Atlantis, meaning the first Season, cause (except for the beginning, the middle and the ending) it was mediocre IMO. And I'm gonna comment only on this episode, because it was the ending of another three-part episode in the Stargate franchise.
Well, for once, after being isolated so much from the Milky Way, it was great to see more contact being established, and a ship being sent to guard Atlantis. Also, great to see they found the best use possible for the ZPM they got in Moebius. Too bad to see Ford go, but I guess it's all for the better of the show. Perhaps they will use this opportunity to bring in a new character that can replace him, and make a much better season than the first. Oh, and don't think I'm going to read any spoilers answering to this post.
Again, great episode, the best of the 7 good episodes of Atlantis so far.
Posted by: Revan Aug 13th 2007, 8:11 PM
When Daedalus lands on the East Pier, does the horizontal object on the top left of the screen look like an extendable docking collar to anybody else?
Posted by: JTMAG1 Aug 13th 2007, 8:52 PM
When Daedalus lands on the East Pier, does the horizontal object on the top left of the screen look like an extendable docking collar to anybody else?
Come on Revan, where are the screen shots. I can't go based on my memory. http://www.stargatecaps.com/sga/s2/201/linz/index32.shtml
Is there a pic there that illustrates what you're referring to?
Posted by: Revan Aug 14th 2007, 3:53 PM
Top left, foreground:
(Stargatecaps.com)
It is easier to see when watching it live, because the POV changes, and it is easily discernable as being in the foreground.
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