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Posted by: Arcady Jul 22nd 2005, 10:52 PM

Season 2, Episode 3 - Runner
Air Dates - US: July 29 2005, Canada: August 1 2005

Sheppard and his team attempt to locate Lieutenant Ford, only to find themselves captives of a young man who is being hunted by the Wraith.

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Posted by: Natoma Jul 29th 2005, 9:07 PM

Quality episode. Not as good as SG-1 this week, but definitely a big step above Intruder.

Posted by: sopel10 Jul 29th 2005, 9:59 PM

i loved the fight between ford and that new guy, that runner guy is awesome ! ! !

Posted by: Erised Jul 30th 2005, 12:16 AM

Noo I can't stand it when Ford's like that!
Now he will get his life sucked out
Well no he won't, but it's sad that he's like that
I guess the new guy's kind of cool.

Posted by: jjpywakit Jul 30th 2005, 1:20 AM

HEY GET THAT RUNNER GUY SOME ACTING LESSONS!!! HE ACTS LIKE HE'S A COUPLE STEPS AWAY FROM READING FROM A TELEPROMPTER! NOT SG MATERIAL!

Posted by: youngjediboy Jul 30th 2005, 1:29 AM

I agree. His acting doesn't seem very good... he's certainly a good looking guy but it seems like that's the main reason they put him on the show. If she shaved he'd just look like some college frat boy.

Posted by: ha'tak Jul 30th 2005, 2:08 AM

Ya very poor charactor [even with his previous Andromeda prefomence] he never got me interested in his charactor unless he was beating the crap out of something. But the better moments were when Rodney and Ford were together. And when Rodney got caught in that trap dangling from a tree upsidedown.

Posted by: usmctech99 Jul 30th 2005, 2:27 AM

Hopefully the guy playing Ronon (I haven't bothered to memorize his name yet) gets his act together as the season progresses. But so far it looks like he's just there to kick some ass.

Posted by: Lagger Jul 30th 2005, 5:40 AM

this is so far one of the worst atlantis eps i have seen.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Jul 30th 2005, 10:38 AM

The actors that played Tyr in Andromeda & Dex in Atlantis aren't the same person. They are both played by totally different people.

Have been a little disappointed by 'The Siege III' & 'Intruder' so far, However this ep brought it back up a level again to where it should be.

I'm not sure about Jason Momoa's acting skills, I'm not an actor but he seemed pretty good to me. I think I'm gonna really like this new guy, especially if he continutes to not take BS from anyone & kick ass.

Good to also see the team getting back out in the field together.

Posted by: Stargate Master Jul 30th 2005, 12:33 PM

The guy that play's Ronon is called Jason Momeo.

Posted by: X303kicksass Jul 30th 2005, 12:43 PM

Personally I didn't like the new character lol, and his traps and fighting was too predictable. It made Sheppard and the other military guys seem like their skills were on vacation.

Posted by: Jack_O'Neill Jul 30th 2005, 1:35 PM

Well, if I had to describe this episode in one word, I guess it'd have to be... "Limited".

I don't like this new guy, he's just a "pretty boy" with no acting skills from what I've seen of him so far. He doesn't even look that pretty yet. Also, from what I understand, the wraith started feeding off of him, so shouldn't he have had some of the enzyme too? Which means even if he didn't have loads, he should've still needed it to survive right?

The scenery wasn't that good, I don't really like jungle places for the whole episode, no matter what TV program it is.

I'd have to say the best bits were with Mckay (as always), however this may be my personal bias, as David is just a brilliant actor and my personal hero

The whole episodes plot was just stupid in my opinion, there was no substance there and i doubt that anybody could have their back cut open that deep and that close to the spine and not even flinch.

So... I guess thats it and i don't really need to sum it up, as I've always done it.

Posted by: Aquila Jul 30th 2005, 2:23 PM

Good deduction James'! I'm already starting to become intrigued by Ronon as a character, you can tell he's got a lot of his past to put behind him and to catch up with. Very Teal'c like in essence but different. The fact that he could puch around Ford with him being on that super enzyme shows how strong and experianced he is after running from the Wraith for SEVEN years. What a life! Could you imagine what it would be like to finally be free of them tracking you...what a relief.
I am also interested by the fact that he was able to stop the Wraith by feeding on him. Why is this so? Is it a matter of will? Or something else inherited by the Ancients in his blood? Hopefully we will see this topic related upon in an upcoming episode.

Excellent all in all. As aforesaid, I'm glad the team is out in the field again...and it should get quite interesting with Ford.


Aquila the Ancient

Posted by: ha'tak Jul 30th 2005, 2:45 PM

Ya but seeing that Rainbow Sun Franks [Ford] isnt on any of the promos/ advertisements for the show i dont think that he'll be comming back soon

Posted by: NemesisDesignz Jul 30th 2005, 3:56 PM

I thought the new guy was great... both as a character and as an actor.. and the fact that he's military and has been hunted by the wraith for 7 years with a tracking device and still alive... just proves his skills. He's not some push over so yeah he would be a great fighter and would make us look dumb and overpower us.

And its not necessarily the same as Ford's situation.... the reason Ford is the way he is..is because the wraith feeding on him got killed...and never detatched itself from Ford.. so he got an OVERDOSE of the enzyme. In the flashback we saw of Dex's past of the wraith feeding on him... it stopped and detached himself. Reason why he did? We do not know yet.. Im guessing it sensed something in his dna that the wraith are unable to feed upon him... and others like him.. become.. "Runners" It could be something similar to the episode "Poisoning of the Well" in where they found a drug to kill the wraith who feeds upon someone with the drug.. or maybe he might be more along the lines of the "Original people" who became the wraith after mutating by the bug we saw that attached onto Sheppard. We know the wraith were once human.. and were created or transformed... maybe Dex's is from that original lineage as well as the other runners. Who knows..

This episode showed a lot more of David Hewlett's acting abilities as Rodney McKay!

It was great to see Beckett go off world too in the middle of a place in which we know the wraith are about to come to..

Posted by: IndyJan Jul 30th 2005, 5:22 PM

I actually liked the new character and thought his acting was fine. I know actors and he did a good job. I'm looking forward to him being on the show. I guess they had to show that his planet was destroyed to explain why he becomes part of Atlantis. As far as him having the enzyme, from the flashback, the wraith tried, but couldn't feed on him, consequently, there was no enzyme inserted. There is something in this character's DNA that makes it so the wraith cannot feed on them.

I have loved McKay, but he's getting on my nerves! This episode he was just way too much, me, I, me, I, and not about the rest of the team and what is happening. I know he's not militarily trained, but come on, they have to be giving them some kind of trying in order to survive when they go off-world. He's pathetic, and it's no longer funny anymore.

Loved Beckett, but he's great. I'm so glad he's part of the opening credits now.

Posted by: Dr Vman Jul 30th 2005, 6:41 PM

I really really liked this show. However, I think it may have already jumped the shark. The thing I liked the most was that the Atlantis team was on its own completely cut off from earth. The big thing was that they were looking for a way home and a way to power the shield. Now they have both. It seems like to much was thrown in at once and the thrill is now gone. Anyone else feel this way?

Posted by: X303kicksass Jul 30th 2005, 6:59 PM

Well, the show still has some aspect of being 'stranded', only it's the fact that wormholes can only be opened one way, and the Daedalus takes 18 days to get here to there.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jul 30th 2005, 7:37 PM

Why. It opens up all kinds of opportunities. Their supplies would not last much longer. Now they have a good supply access and can explore much more now. They can get into some dangerious situations. It will be very exciting.

Posted by: NemesisDesignz Jul 30th 2005, 7:39 PM

No I dont feel this way at all... As soon as the wraith figure out Atlantis is still there... Then they will be in trouble again without more ZPM's... From Siege Part 3 we saw when the ships were bombarding the shield from space.. McKay said the ZPM would be dead in days... So thats all it would take for us to be whiped out.. I dont think they would fall for the whole smoke and mirrors trick again. We need more ZPMs... one on Earth to power gate... One on the Daedelus (for better shieldsand need be to travel to earth if necessary...say to get something too big to fit through gate) and 3+ for Atlantis... since it runs on 3.. and without all 3 we haven't even scratched all the possibilities of the city's capabilities... (like some Zelenka found out at the end of "The Intruder" that they didnt mention in this episode ) and then it would be nice to have some backups lol
So no I do not think the thrill is gone.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jul 30th 2005, 7:48 PM

Yes. Before they had limited supplies and so have to be very conservative. Choosing when and how much they could expend those resources. Now they have a chance to go out and explore. I was just about to write what Zelenka said but you beat me to it Nemisis.

We know there is lots of juice stuff out there. Don't forget when they were planning to self destruct Atlantis in "Seige part 1" they tried to download the ancients data base but it was MASSIVE. Now they can explore what is in there and learn. It is going to be good. They are just getting started.

Posted by: IndyJan Jul 30th 2005, 9:12 PM

Not only do they have more supplies, food, medical, equipment and technology, but they have an influx of people. Remember, everytime they face the Wraith they have lost people, both military and scientists. Now they can get more people to Atlantis. It might take them 18 days on the Daedalus, but they can get there.

Posted by: Samara Draven Jul 30th 2005, 11:22 PM

Personally I think there are plenty of thrills yet to be had on SGA. Frankly I wouldn't have bought it if the Wraith hadn't come for Atlantis when they did. Constantly running into them and trying to beat them in individual battles would get not only boring but unbelieveable. The Wraith aren't as advanced as the Ancients but they are more advanced than us. I would've found it implausible that as advanced as they are, they wouldn't get wise to our tatics. It could've been the same MO every week which would get stale, so I'm glad they did it how they did.

I, also, found McKay kind of grating, which is saying a lot because I love him. David plays him so well. Although, I do give him lots of credit for shooting Ford. Not only did he shoot but he shot a friend and he didn't miss! That right there floored me. I tend to think that Rodney only gets that way when he's really been pushed and Ford was pushin'. Plus the whole UV radiation thing must've really been weighing on his mind. Just goes to show how obsessively paranoid he can be.

On the whole, I liked both Atlantis and sg-1. They're too close to call and I haven't rewatched them enough to decide which one I like better.

Posted by: Drakkanrider Jul 30th 2005, 11:34 PM

This was the best episode so far. I almost cried when Ford jumped into the Wraith beam . Mckay was wonderful, as always ^^. He is my favorite character. "Yes, I would tell him about my dreams of self-sustaining fusion, and he would talk about how you sever a man's torso with a P90." I loved the part where he gets caught in the trap, and he asks Ronan to get him out, and Ronan just GLARES at him lol.
I am gonna miss Ford. Dex just isn't gonna be the same. They got rid of Ford too quickly; they should have kept him on for at least another season, give him some time to build up his character. He was so... pathetic, in this episode, it was so sad. Deep down inside he wanted to go home, but when Mckay shot him, it just killed him inside, being shot by his friend. And if I were Shepperd, i would have been more soft on Ford, and he might have come back. Tell him his friends wanted him back instead of shooting him... I'm gonna miss Ford in this season, and i hope they get him back sooo bad. There is no WAY Ronan will ever be able to replace him in my mind.
I think Teyla and Dex are gonna hit it off. She was so eyeing him this whole episode . And it'll pave the road for Shepperd and Weir. No more Teyla to distract Shepperd from the main prize ^^. They SOOOOOO meant for that to happen when Simon left Weir.

Posted by: Lagger Jul 30th 2005, 11:56 PM

well i dont see simon becomming a main character... he talks to slowly, and seems very hesitant about evrything...

u reckon this ronan dex guy will become part of the SGA team, replacing ford???

and how cool was his weapon.... could stun and kill

Posted by: stalker0 Jul 31st 2005, 3:15 AM

While I didn't like Ford leaving the show I did like him in this episode. Definately a good mix of the old Ford and the inner demon inner.

I think the actor played Ronin fine I just didn't like the character much. I also hope he doesn't become so much of a combat monster he overshadows Tela.

Posted by: Dr Vman Jul 31st 2005, 3:41 AM

I'm not saying that I didn't like the Seige 3 parter. I thought they were great. In fact I thought that those episodes where the best yet in both SG-1 and Atlantis. However, like I said I don't like the fact that they can just go back and forth to earth whenever they want now. It just gives me the feeling that they are no longer on their own. It would have been great if the daedalus hyperdrives somehow became damaged while taking on the wraith. As far as writting goes that would have allowed the fresh supplies, more man power and the zmp to be delivered. However with the hyperdrives damaged there would be no way to go back and forth to earth so easily.

Posted by: Lagger Jul 31st 2005, 3:59 AM

hmmph lets see now.... prometheus is fitted with asgaurd hyperdrive, sheilds and beaming tech, just as the dadealus is.... if its broken, they still have a ZPM, dail earth say hey, we need prometheus to make a trip down, bring over some spare parts.

Posted by: deffer Jul 31st 2005, 9:43 AM

Well, I really enjoyed this ep, especially the scenes with Rodney & Ford. The acting performance in those scenes was outstanding. And they are developing Ford's (new)character in a really interesting way (now don't tell me he's not going to be on the show anymore!).

In fact, it reminded me of Anakin Skywalker, coming to the dark side. Only Ford's way is waaay more convincing.

But what's with all those super-powers? I didn't see them during fight with this runner guy. If a normal human can match Ford, guess he's not that kind of a superman.

Posted by: kettricken Jul 31st 2005, 10:37 AM

was it just me sitting screaming at McKay and Shepherd 'JUST SHOOT HIM!!!!!!!!! NO NO NOT IN THE ARM OR LEG IN THE HEAD! SHOOT HIM IN THE HEAD!!!!!!!!!!!'?

Posted by: fan_83 Jul 31st 2005, 12:40 PM

deffer: strenth isn;t everything in a fight.. otherwise teyla will never have beaten the wraith or sheppard.. its also about technique adn skill

also ford isn;t superman.. hes hyper charged with adrenaline.. meaning hes pumped up and is much stronger than he usually is and dont; feel pain...

beckett explained it in siege 3...

the new guy is a special force op with 7 years of fighting exp vs the wraith... he comes from a society thats about 100 year more advanced than ours according to his flashback.. with his team using energy weapons...

so i'm guessing hes the new military hardcore to overshadow teyla and put sheppard to shame...

about him not flinching when getting cut.... i think its possible... i mean hes an survivor and has specialist training... could be possible

Posted by: AscendedOne Jul 31st 2005, 1:08 PM

So here is my question. In season 1 we learn that Sheppard awakens the wraith when he kills one of them. With this being the case, how come all the wraith were not awaken once Ronin Dex killed the first ones who were hunting him 7 years ago.

This is just a thought

Posted by: deffer Jul 31st 2005, 2:27 PM

Yup, that's right.
It was Ford himself who said he's a superman. But the drug is messing with his head, so he says a lot of things

And in general: we have barely an opportunity to see hand combat in SGA, what we've seen in this ep. was like a bonus . Hopefully with Ronan we'll get more of these.

Putting Sheppard to shame? Well, I'm not sure about this. Don't forget that Sheppard is... training with Teyla!

Posted by: Lord Sebek Jul 31st 2005, 3:03 PM

My prediction about Ford came true. He goes around killing Wraith now to get his fix. I like the new Ronon Dex guy. I loved the part where he and Ford were fighting in the woods. His background is interesting and he'll bring a new perspective to the table on how to fight the Wraith. Anyway, they need to focus on finding more freaking ZPMs! If they don't and the Wraith come back then they're screwed because Daedalus' shields and Atlantis' shields won't stand up to any long term Wraith bombardment without additional ZPMs to charge them.

McKay ruled in this episode as usual. He calls for a radiation suit and then he's smearing SPF 100 sunscreen all over his face. haha and the part where he shoots Ford once and then runs off screaming into the woods.

Posted by: Pitry Jul 31st 2005, 5:55 PM

I'm reserving my judgement on Ronon Dex for later use Hey, it took me most of season 1 to start liking Weir, so...

I agre with people about McKay. He's my favourite Atlantis character, but they're over doing it. They need to tone him down a bit.
That being said, I loved the Ford-McKay ineractions. They were amazing. RSF was completely utterly amazing in this character and argh again for kicking him off the show jsut as he's becoming interesting! I really hope we see him again

"you can still be super-fFord".. heh.

All in all, t'was a good ep. I do think they had a bit of problem with the exposition this year. I mean, comparing to last year's and SG1's three parter, it pales. It's nott hat Intruder and Runner were bad, they're jsut... well, I've come to expect more from RCC, any way. Am I the only one who was reminded of First Comandment? I swear it was the exact same location in the exact same forst!

Posted by: fan_83 Jul 31st 2005, 6:39 PM

ascended one: the otehr wraiths aren;t awake cos they are the ones that let ronan loose...

they are using him for hunting practice or training... so casualties while training are acceptable...

the one sheppard killed is the caretaker for a sleeping hive.. shes prob linked to wake the others when she die...
while the ones ronan kill are members of an active hive and not a caretaker

Posted by: MerlinTheAncient Jul 31st 2005, 7:50 PM

This was a decent episode, not the best, but far from the worst. Ronon Dex seems like a decent character, but I feel like the writers are trying to fit him into an archetype that Kayla is already filling: the semi-primative tribal warrior. But maybe that is just the impression I drew from the character's behavior in this episode. From the flashbacks it seems that he comes from a rather advanced world (which makes me ask how they got so advanced without drawing the wraith's attention), so maybe his character will grow throughout future episodes into something more than Pegasus's Teal'c. I'm hoping whatever caused the look of suprise on the face of the wraith who couldn't feed on Dex leads to more discoveries about the Ancient/Wraith conflict.

Its sad Ford isn't going to be a main character this season, but if I recall correctly, didn't he get the part because he won a contest or something? I know he'll return in lost boys, and I don't think he'll be returning before that. With the way he escaped, and the spoilers I've read of lost boys, I don't think it would make sense for him to show up again before the team discovers his group, unless they are the ones who rescue him from the wraith.

This season looks like it could be good. I've read a lot of people's posts that worry over the Atlantis Team having it too easy with access to supplies from Earth. I may be wrong, but I thought that the stargate wormholes were one-way, so that if Atlantis did send a wormhole to Earth, only the atlantians and their stuff could go through. I can't remember which episode I heard that in, and if I am wrong please correct me.

Posted by: gatenut Aug 1st 2005, 2:05 PM

I loved this ep the action was non stop and there was just the right amount of humour mixed in .
I am so glad that Ford is still alive and it would seem that he kicking some Wraith a$$ {good for you Ford }
this Ronin Dex guy I realy hope that they dont replace Ford with him Ford is way better than him .And it looks like Ford would have kick his a$$ if Sheppard had not intervened. McKay was hilarious in this ep I loved the spf 100 and when he got cought in the trap. vary good ep cant wait for The Lost boys ep .

Posted by: kettricken Aug 1st 2005, 2:32 PM

did i miss an episode? when was he becoming interesting? i loved him in Rising and thought he was going to be a really good character then he just didnt do anything, and he was mean to Carson! i can't be standing for that! on the plus side i like him a LOT better than Teyla, but then that really wouldn't take much

he was good in this episode but i dont like what they have done with the character at all, as i said i really liked him to begin with and now i can't stand him....usually i either love 'em or hate 'em, like marmite - the only exception being Jonas who i detested for obvious reasons to begin with but would quite happily have married by half way through Descent, and now can't remember why he ever annoyed me.

so, what the hell went wrong with ford?

Posted by: ted_simple Aug 1st 2005, 2:57 PM

This episode makes me wanna run away, real fast!

Ford and his superpowers. "It is the way of defeating the Wraith!" Yawn. What was this episode about? They could as well drop the whole story line around Ford. I must admit they have made more of the character than before, but it's all still far below what the series should be.

Besides, why we need an Andromeda-ish character on the series is beyond me!

I'm not bashing, I do love the series. That's why I express my opinion.

Posted by: kettricken Aug 1st 2005, 3:00 PM

Andromeda-ish??? ANDROMEDA???!!!!! where????? where?????? must find and KILL

*would like to point out she has never watched it on principle and has no idea if its any good or not, i just have an uncontrolable desire to destory it*

Posted by: ted_simple Aug 1st 2005, 3:03 PM

Ronin Dex. They had a similar guy on Andromeda. I watched like five episodes, though!

Posted by: Anubis drone Aug 1st 2005, 4:21 PM

yeah, they look alike... dreadlocks (only thinner in andromeda) similar facial hair, "great warrior" attitude, kept to himself, what else?

Posted by: stargatefan566 Aug 1st 2005, 5:38 PM

Fords is so cool throwing himself into the beam of the dart and that eye is wicked

Posted by: Anubis drone Aug 1st 2005, 6:38 PM

that eye reminds me of apophis

Posted by: stargatefan566 Aug 1st 2005, 6:58 PM

good call when apophis face was all messed up

Posted by: jjpywakit Aug 1st 2005, 8:12 PM

GUYS, SEPARATE THE GUY'S ACTING SKILLS FROM THE SHOW PLOT! THE SHOW IS GREAT! THE EPISODE WAS PRETTY GOOD! THIS GUY'S ACTING SKILLS ARE HORRIBLE! THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CHARACTER WITH CONTROLLED EMOTION LIKE TEALC/ MR SPOCK FROM STAR TREK/ CHACOTE FROM VOYAGER AND SOMEONE WHO EMOTES NOTHING! TEALC KEEPS HIS EMOTIONS IN CONTROL BUT YOU CAN TELL BY HIS MANERISMS AND FACIAL EXPRESSIONS AND TIMING WHAT HE IS REALLY FEELING - THAT'S WHAT MAKES HIM A GREAT ACTOR! THAT'S PART OF WHAT MAKES SG1 SUCH A GREAT SHOW - ITS ACTORS ARE SUPER! BTW, THEY WOULD BE FOOLISH TO GET RID OF RAINBOW - HE IS A GOOD ACTOR! SG1 KICKS BUTT! ATLANTIS HAS GREAT POTENTIAL!

Posted by: dr_n_tesla Aug 1st 2005, 10:28 PM

Funny quoting yourself, but what's up with the Caps Lock mate?

Posted by: kitana Aug 1st 2005, 10:51 PM

Someone Help me out. Did they get Ford back to Atlantis or no? I forgot and my VCR has already recorded over it

Posted by: Tonten Aug 2nd 2005, 3:53 AM

so far, I've liked the way it's been. You don't want this series to be another sliders/ Star trek Voyager clone where in the whole show, season after season, they try to find a way home, thought they might have, then it turns out they didn't.

Posted by: kettricken Aug 2nd 2005, 4:00 AM

yes he's the coolest of the cool, with his crazy crazy eye, and his perculiar hair, and his obvious psychiatric (sp) problems, he's just great!

can we kill him?



im confused, if you think RSF is a good actor who are you talking about when saying 'the guy's acting skills are horrible' and yeah what's with the caps lock...makes my eyes hurt

Posted by: Cha'Lok Aug 2nd 2005, 4:22 AM

Nope he jumped into a wraith beam, probably to prove he is so super powerfull as he thinks.

Posted by: kettricken Aug 2nd 2005, 4:33 AM

ya he said something like 'ill show you' and then buggared off...after he was ranting about his new powers being the way to defeating the wraith i suspect he was probably determined he would go off and kill them and then come back and say 'ha ha told you so' cocky little get

Posted by: Lagger Aug 2nd 2005, 5:42 AM

i think hes not thinking right... he seems to be very impulsive... and unable to control his emotions

Posted by: ancient01 Aug 2nd 2005, 5:59 AM

I like the direction they're taking Ford. It could be an interesting side plot. Ronan Dex... I'll have to wait and see. I haven't seen enough of him to really pass judgement. I like having someone who can "kick ass" on the team. We'll just have to see how they develop the character. I guess they figured they needed to imitate the mix of characters on SG1.

Posted by: kitana Aug 2nd 2005, 6:47 AM

Oh I must have missed that part! Thanks

Posted by: fan_83 Aug 2nd 2005, 9:09 AM

errr sheppard was originally trained as a pilot.. so his hand to hand combat skill is pretty basic... even though hes training with teyla.. hes only been training for 1 year..

compare to ronan whos trained to be a special forces... which mean extensive hand to hand combat.. and the 7 years running and fighting wraith...

i still say ronan can take all of atlantis team 1 and hand to hand and win...
mckay is easy, sheppard is ok,, only teyla is a challenge.....

Posted by: Sighfienerd Aug 2nd 2005, 9:50 AM

I think Ronin is a great addition to the cast. I loved the martial arts scene with Ford - that was fun to watch!

Ronin's acting seemed fine to me. He conveyed stony wariness quite well. But of course, we don't want to know everything about the character as soon as we meet him anyway. Half the fun is having the character develop and grow over time.

It's funny, because last season I really didn't give a hoot about Ford. I'm starting to really like his character now though. He's an interesting mixture of enthusiastic Boy Scout and mesmerizing strangeness. You just have no idea what he'll do next.

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Aug 2nd 2005, 10:40 AM

This was definately a great episode. They did a fairly decent job of introducing Ronan, and it gives a slightly more insight into the wraith mentality. That they do have a training regime for fun. Hunting these "runners". I wonder, do they simply stun them, and let them loose again? Keep on chasing the same guy for years at a time?

And what was that look Tayla gave Ronan when she saw the necklaces around his neck? Perhaps one of them was from her village?

I like the way this season is headed, however I'm still wondering how long it will take the wraith to figure out that the SGA really isn't gone.

The other Wraith were awakened in season 1 because the "caretaken" wole them up mentally befure (she?) died. The wraith hunting Ronan simply died, so they sent more to hunt him. Afterall, he wasn't that big of a threat to them, and didn't know about a place called Earth that could feed all the wraith for hundreds of years.

Posted by: kodiakgirl Aug 2nd 2005, 4:38 PM

this guy had never play on Andromeda, his name is Jason Momoa.Before he was in baywacth and North shore.
The big guy fom Andromeda was Keith Hamilton Cobb.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 3rd 2005, 12:28 AM

They were meaning they LOOK the same not that they ARE the same.

Hobo. I saw that look and also wondered what it means. I guess we will have to wait until later.

I just watched the episode and I liked it. I am not sorry that Ford is gone. They writers certainly did not like him and it was dragging everything down. This character is kickass and I like it.

I also liked the fight scene Sighfie. It was awsome.

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Aug 3rd 2005, 8:55 AM

Ok, just saw the REAL intro for Atlantis (via my girlfriend's dad watching it when I was over last night). WOW. Definately missing out by downloading the American version ... can't wait to see the real SG-1 intro and not the crap that Sci-Fi is showing.

Posted by: Sighfienerd Aug 3rd 2005, 2:13 PM

The least that TPTB or SciFi should do is to have a legal site to allow the download of the intro if you want to see it. The Atlantis theme was my favorite!

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 4th 2005, 4:39 PM

Hey I am re-watching this episode again and I noticed something. At the 27 minute when Sheppard is getting back on the jumper to go and get Beckett the military person walking off the PJ is none other than......our fave super soldier Dan Payne. That is so cool that we get to see his face again. First time we ever get to hear his voice also. It so deep and yummy.

Posted by: Victus Aug 4th 2005, 5:18 PM

I saw it. Pretty good episode. Ford has become more interesting. I mean you can tell that he (Ford) is still in there, just that he's amped up and kind of twitchy. I'm glad they did this instead of just making him "Oh no Ford is an evil Wraith now!" man.

I think they'll get him back at some point. I think Super Ford will do some damage to the wraith, though risking atlantis at some point.

Posted by: Asgard1 Aug 10th 2005, 12:53 PM

I thought it was hilarious when McKay ran was running and ran out of bullets and then did that girlish scream LoL, Hilarious.

Posted by: Airin Aug 11th 2005, 1:14 PM

I have to be honest and confess to what a lot of people have already said - Ford last year was dry and it really seemed like the writers forgot about him week in, week out. Yes, he was nice, but nice isn't why we like characters otherwise we'd all hate Rodney and that really isn't the case!

However, during this episode I loved Uber!Ford - and to be honest I wanted more of him and Rodney, who again was brilliant. "You can't kill an unarmed, upside down man!"

The new guy? Well - the jury's out for me. I sometimes get annoyed that Teyla is just fighting-gal or soft-spoken-to-strangers-gal so I'm hoping they don't go down a similar route with Ronin. There's a lot of potential. Sometimes I think that people are loathe to like a new character if they are particularly attractive or possibly step into a role we already feel is fulfilled. I'm loving season 2 so far though so hopefully the writers will keep the bar up.

Posted by: Circe Aug 18th 2005, 3:39 PM

She was not looking at his necklace, she was looking at the scar on his chest from where the wraith had fed on him.

I like the new guy, and most importantly he is the hottest guy to be on the show (SG1+SGA) since Jonas. I am glad to see Ford go. If they bring him back I hope it's as a bad guy. The good guy gone crazy bit is interesting to a point, but not interesting enough for me to want to see it on a recurring basis.

Posted by: cvvrede Aug 24th 2005, 2:12 PM

David Hewlett was good, he's becoming the guy we all love to hate. I can see why the Air Force officers and Weir are getting annoyed with McKay. He is utterly irritating in this episode. But it did make for some funny situations, even though his obsession with the radiation makes you think he really doesn?t care about Ford.

The confrontation between Ford and McKay I didn't really like. Lieutenant Ford was really lame as a half-Wraith, at least that was my opinion. I know that many other people liked him, but I just can't see it. He seemed to have a god-complex and loss of memory, which could be a very dangerous combination but instead he was just weird.

Ronin Dex is a great character. His caution and appearance is very realistic. The story of how he came to be there was also very good. A prisoner released in a forest so he can be hunted? It proves how evil the Wraith are, if you didn?t already get that. I also liked Beckett acting with Dex and the fight of Ronin and Aiden. This character pulls the episode from ?average? to ?kinda good?.

Posted by: Ringbearer Aug 27th 2005, 12:24 PM

I think this was one of the coolest episodes! I think ronan is awesome!! He totally fits in i think! The way ford is acting makes me so mad!!!!!!!! It is so cool how ronan can track the wraith !!! AWESOME EPISODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: attack Aug 30th 2005, 10:39 AM

I loved the fight between Ronan (the new guy..) and Ford. But Ronan is so much worse then ford. This episode was amazing, the second best to Duet.

Posted by: Circe Aug 30th 2005, 11:00 PM

That's a joke right?

Posted by: Christy Sep 9th 2005, 2:44 AM

I think the series is getting bettre and better.
They have better plot lines than last season (last season it seemed to drag at the start as they visited new planets, met new people, that kind of thing)
And they had such great music, the anticipation just got me going, it was a good choice.
Shep is doing a lot better and he seems to be really passionate about what he is doing and him looking out for Ford and not wanting to let go on the fact that Ford may not be retrievable...
He is standing up for not only himself but for other people as well.
The cuite quips in this episode were enjoyable but some people may not think they were noticable (i laugh at nearly everything so it could just be me)

Anyway, good episode!

Posted by: Dafmeister Nov 2nd 2005, 9:35 PM

This was a great episode, so much better than episode 2. McKay was brilliant, quite a few girly screams. Ronan looks like he is going to be a great character. My only gripe is Ford or the lack of him. He is such a good character so far in season 2, it is annoying that he is only a recurring character. He is so much more interesting than he was in season 1, then he appears in only a few episodes. Very annoying.

Posted by: The Ori Nov 3rd 2005, 5:18 AM

Is Ronan going to become a regular character now?

It looks like Colonel Cauldwell has some issues with Sheppard. Could they come to blows???

I maybe wrong in this (Military Ranks are not a strong point of mine) but is Cauldwell a full Colonel or is he the same level as Sheppard.

How would it work if Cauldwell out-ranked Sheppard but there was an important decision to be made. Would Sheppard have the final say.

And what about Doctor Weir - would she have any input into say, the deployment of military personnel?

Posted by: Dafmeister Nov 3rd 2005, 5:24 AM

Yes he is.


I believe Caldwell is a full Colonel and Sheppard is Lt. Colonel.


While Steven Caldwell out ranks Sheppard, Weir out ranks Caldwell becuase she is operational command of Atlantis. On Atlantis Sheppard is ranking military officer, technically Caldwell cannot give him orders because Weir is Sheppard's direct superior.

Posted by: mini_jack Nov 3rd 2005, 10:25 AM

what a good episode. Ronon is a good character and it is good they are making him one of eh main characters in the show,I like the way ford is going insane due to the waith emzime.

Posted by: JC1 Nov 3rd 2005, 4:29 PM

This was a reasonably good episode, but not great.

I liked the brief confrontation between Shepard and Caldwell, in the begining. It's nice to have someone in authority for Shepard to disagree with, which he never really did with Weir.

Mckay was sometimes funny, but also annoying, I could see why Ford wanted to shoot him.

Shepard was somewhat dissappointing. He seemed to have the all tactical ability of McKay in this episode, which is odd because in prevous episode's against the Genii and Wraith, he seemed to always use very good tactics, especially considering he's pilot, not a soldier.

Not really sure what to make of Ronan Dex just yet.

Posted by: Teyla Sheppard Dec 13th 2005, 12:45 PM

frankly i've been a little disappointed by 'the siege 3' & 'intruder' so far, however this episode brought it back up a level again to where it should be
after the half of the second season i have to say that this is one of my favourite ep

the bests were Lorne with McKay:

SHEPPARD: ...and Major you?ve got McKay.
LORNE: Oh, lucky me!
McKAY (offering him some sunscreen): Here, try some. SPF 100.
LORNE: A hundred?
McKAY: Yeah, can?t buy this kind of protection. Make it myself. Waterproof too.
LORNE: Great
...
LORNE: Wow ? you must really be some kind of genius!
McKAY: Well, as a matter of fact, I, um ... wait a minute. See, why would you say that now?
LORNE: Something has to have kept Colonel Sheppard from shooting you all this time!
McKAY: Yeah, yeah, like I didn?t see that one coming, huh?!



and obviously the nice talk between Sheppard And Ronan was very funny:bow:

Posted by: blackbelt83 Feb 2nd 2006, 3:18 AM

I find it interesting the wraith are so board they put chips in humans and hunt them. of cours the new member I think his name was ronan I cant remember, well he had to be a bad ass no anistetic. I dont think I spelled that righ. that was cool becket thook out the chip without anything for the pain.

Posted by: Mattthegreat995 Feb 25th 2006, 9:10 PM

Did anyone else notice that Major Lourne was in 7x07- ENmey Mine?

Posted by: Dafmeister Feb 26th 2006, 9:00 AM

Yes. He just transferred from one show to the other.

Posted by: IndyJan Mar 3rd 2006, 4:44 PM

In the SG/Atlantis magazine the actor said, they were looking for someone for Atlantis. He went in and wanted to audition. They recognized him and said they would use his character. The difference being that in Enemy Mine, he was more geological minded. On Atlantis, he's more military minded. Either way, I don't care. I like Lorne. I hope that his character gets developed more next season.

Posted by: General Jen Dec 1st 2006, 2:01 AM

THIS EPISODE WAS OKBUT NOT FANTASTIC 6/10

WOW HAS FORD REALLY LOST THE PLOT OR WHAT.........HE IS SUPER CRAZY AND WOULD HAVE TOTALLY KILLED MCAY IF SHEPHERD HADN'T ARRIVED

RONAN COULD BE A GOOD CHARACTER.....IF HE ACTED A BIT BETTER AND GOT GOOD STORIES

Posted by: Dafmeister Dec 3rd 2006, 12:55 PM

Ford's personality shift is due to the Wraith enzyme, he can't control himself anymore.

You can't say that Ronon would be a better character if he got good stories because this was his first episode. You see more of his background in season 3.
In the future don't type in capitals please.

Posted by: IndyJan Jan 3rd 2009, 2:48 AM

I saw this episode today during their day long marathon on the sci-fi channel.

Watching this episode again showed how Ronon was an interesting character from day one, unlike Ford, who was not during all of season 1. Ford only became somewhat interesting during this episode because of what they had done to him. In fact, IMO, Ronon was more interesting from this first appearance than Teyla as well.

As far as Ronon being fed upon,

During season 5,

Posted by: Invisible Painting Jan 3rd 2009, 11:18 AM

Teyla only became interesting once the actress got knocked up. Ronan had more personality and backstory there, but they still didn't really delve into it as much as they should, but he was still more interesting to watch through seasons 2+3 then Teyla was.

Posted by: IndyJan Jan 3rd 2009, 12:13 PM

I agree that is the only way Teyla became interesting, but it took until the 4th season,

As far as Ronon, he was so much more interesting in his first episode then either Ford or Teyla were during their whole time, for the most part. What I didn't care for is that they just turned Ronon Except for season 5, Identity, I have no idea as to why they didn't keep him that way all along.