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Posted by: Arcady Aug 13th 2005, 12:11 AM

Season 2, Episode 6 - Trinity
Air Dates - US: August 19 2005, Canada: August 22 2005

McKay puts the team at risk when he tries to perfect unfinished Ancient technology that wiped out a civilization. Ronan Dex discovers that a small number of his people survived the Wraith attack, including his former military trainer.

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Posted by: tony2loco Aug 19th 2005, 9:01 PM

[SIZE=7]Wow, the Daedelus save the day..........again.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 19th 2005, 9:04 PM

No, this is for episode discussion. Please tell us what you liked or didn't like about it. I am waiting on baited breath.

Posted by: tony2loco Aug 19th 2005, 9:16 PM

oh ok, well i apologize then.
Well i cant say i didnt like the episode, what kind of fan would i be. I enjoyed seeing the Daedelus again, I hope that later there is some episode entirely dedicated to it alone. McKay destroyed a big chunk of an unihabited solar system, boo hoo, and got chewed out. I loved hearing him get chewed out, i would pay to see his face then. Tayla and Ronin's story line was good, we got to his another side of him, and he is still violent. The weapon storyline is forgetable though, the Tayla and Ronin part was my favorite part of the episode though.

Posted by: tajmahal Aug 19th 2005, 9:51 PM

I agree, the storyline of this episode was borderline forgetable. The main plotline of Atlantis is in the same spot that it was before the episode. For me, what saved it was the character development (and, of course, the cool shots of Daedelus).

We see a new side of Rodney's egotism; he was so caught up in everything that he couldn't see the huge risk he posed to the people he cared about. I think that shows that he's a veritable "mad scientist" and maybe that he might go too far in one of these escapades in the future.

Although Dex's actions weren't that uncharacteristic, it was still pretty cool/suprising to see him cap his trainer. It was also pretty funny to see him having fun for a change when he got drunk.

I thought the bigger development was with Teyla. We see see a rougher side of her that I kind of liked. She was pretty hardcore when she said that she'd act the same as Ronan, suggesting her innate aggression. Plus, she distanced herself from the more altruistic thinking of others through her warning to Dex, further affirming her background as a warrior.

Posted by: Erised Aug 19th 2005, 10:49 PM

Nice!
McKay is too confident! Did he really think that he is smarter than ancients? Ha! Maybe us, people, can defeat our enemies by tricking them or with some stupid ideas, but we are not smarter than the ancients!

Posted by: stargate_addict Aug 19th 2005, 11:31 PM

This episode was NICE, on every level, the special effects were magnifficent and i loved how Mackays conffidence was shakken by his failure, and how he appologised to every one. SGA is so much better this season.

Posted by: tony2loco Aug 19th 2005, 11:38 PM

This was the first time I ever heard McKay apolagize, with any deep regret at least. or is it the first time he has apolagized ever?

Posted by: usmctech99 Aug 20th 2005, 3:46 AM

He apologized to Carter in Redemption Part 2, after his EMP failed to shutdown the ancient weapon destroying their gate and electrocuted her.

I really liked how Weir layed into him about destroying 3/4 of the system, and Ronan's reaction after coming through the gate and hearing her dressing him down was priceless. I also liked how McKay failed... he's, finally, no longer invincible when it comes to Ancient Tech, and he had to acknowledge that Zalenka was right.

Posted by: Atlantians Aug 20th 2005, 5:17 AM

I liked how they toyed with the Idea that the Ancients were wrong, but then Rodney turned out to be Wrong, reafirming the Ancients.

What I did not like was two things:

The Daedalus' shields withstood several direct hits from the Ancient Weapon without any damage, even though it destroyed a Wraith fleet.

And second: The Ancient weapons energy blasts were waaay to slow.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Aug 20th 2005, 6:39 AM

That power source would have been sweet! Pity it had to go up in a gigantic bang.

The reason that it was able to take direct shots was that it had very powerful Asgard shielding. Whereas the Wraith ships do not have any, so are far more suceptible to damage. Not to mention the last time it was used the Ancients had been in control of the thing, so any shots would have been more directly targeted towards the enemy ships. Yet in 'Trinity' it was firing blindly & at non specific targeting locations.

It would have been cool if they could have salavaged the cannons at the top of the facility, then integrated them into Atlantis or Daedalus. Although that would have made things a little too easy.

Posted by: Cha'Lok Aug 20th 2005, 8:01 AM

Pretty good episode. Would be kinda cool if they recreated the reactor but on a much smaller scale and use it as a nuke

Posted by: altura Aug 20th 2005, 11:20 AM

Posted by: mithwriter Aug 20th 2005, 12:33 PM

Okay, either I'm getting good at this, or the storywriters are getting lazy. Did NO one else figure out the moment they saw the weapon that it was the reason for the city's destruction? Ascension anyone?
"Ooh, look the surrounding area was destroyed but this nice peice of tech survived. Yeah for us!" It's interesting to note that the show can be self-referential when it wants to be (see Intruder), but then have no idea about past Stargate missions in other ones. How convenient.

I liked the story with Teyla and Ronin....and yeah, I posted somewhere before this ep that I thought these two would make a good hook-up. It makes much more sense than Sheppard-Teyla or anything like that. Did NOT see the shooting coming, that was good.

Now about the Rodney story...I know he's got the superior intellect and all that, but I just think it would've been nice if Zelenka had been the one who could figure this out and Rodney was the one left on the outside for whatever reason. It's just been so established already that Rodney is the super-geek and Zalenka is 2nd banana. Think of how different the story would've been if Zalenka was running it, and then argues with Rodney becuase he thinks Rodney doesn't consider him an equal, and then...

...well, I'm just saying, that's all. I mean, it was good and all...

Posted by: bigjohn_1972 Aug 20th 2005, 1:00 PM

I thought this ep was OK, nothing spectacular but good.

What I found interesting was that the weapon that destroyed a wraith fleet did not immediately ruin the Daedalus. So that would lead me to believe that the wraith shields, if they have any, are far inferior to the Asgard, even if they Asgard shields are underpowered. I know I wasn't the only one here wondering about that.

I can see Teyla and Ronin being a hot couple too

Posted by: Ghostdraconi Aug 20th 2005, 3:34 PM

That wouldn't work, mainly because Zalenka isn't the type of person to rush into thinks without careful consideration. Besides it would justbe a show about Rodney being right rather than show the more reckless side of his personality.

Posted by: seymour Aug 20th 2005, 3:37 PM

Yes, I totally agree with you.

I also wonder why Dr. Weir and Col. "ex-X-Files" were so stupid gving McKay permission to risk tearing the Galaxy apart when McKay was behaving to such a deranged fashion right after the first test fiasco. Not very convincing. They're the ones to blame, especially Weir (as she keeps reminding everyone) she's in charge.

BTW, I have real trouble hearing and understanding Ronin...anyone else find that he swallows his words?

Posted by: Aquila Aug 20th 2005, 3:38 PM

The Wraith do indeed have shields as was seen in the First episode this season when the Daedalus was firing upon them.

The episode really had some character development going on. I felt really bad for all those Ancients, not to mention the whole planet. It would have been nice to have gotten some big power source under harness though. That way, the team wouldn't have to worry about a siege and would concentrate more on exploration and cultivation of Ancient things, not to mention the elimination of the Wraith.

Aquila the Ancient

Posted by: Sony Aug 20th 2005, 3:52 PM

Ronin overall is a pretty bad actor. not even close to the others and their effort and talent that they put in their roles. They all more or less seem natural even the fitness chick and Ronin, well, he is not convincing as the bad ass hes supposed to be. Perhaps he needs more time to get into the role but the problem with roles is also that you need to tailor it to your needs. the mimic, gestures, talk patterns, eyes, a gazzilion things. hes not doing it. hes just stiff. and not stiff like a bad ass Soprano or Sly in his movies , hes too much of a void, doesnt make the role. we'll see how it developes.

And about the story. he CANNOT just shoot a guy. I mean he can but we, the audience, need some sort of a background, at least a few minutes, so that it feels a bit justified. He couldve mentioned something in the previous episodes, nothin particular , just something about a son-of-a-bi*ch who did this and that etc..A few words just dont do it. It was just cold racionalisation. looked cool felt lame.

Yea the "only the outpost survived" was sort of a pretty dead giveaway. I for once, after all that talking about that super mega weapon expected something a little more that a tiny blaster on the roof.

altantis is still very sweet tho. exciting like the first seasons of sg1.

Posted by: bigjohn_1972 Aug 20th 2005, 4:57 PM

But Ronin is playing a baby faced bad ass, and they do exist. I think he does a good job of it.

And Aquila, if the wraith do have shields, they blow donkey dick (pardon the euphemism )

Posted by: X303kicksass Aug 20th 2005, 5:40 PM

The Wraith didn't have shields in Siege III, as the nukes were being suicided/shot down by Darts, not running into shields. Although they do seem to be able to create beam-jamming fields. Actual shields have only been shown in Defiant one, though that itself is controversial as to rather the jumper, or the Wraith, had it.

Posted by: tajmahal Aug 20th 2005, 6:03 PM

yah, i just watched seige p3 again and there were definetely no shields on the hive ship. Also, think about how shepard flew the jumper into the fighter bay on the hive ship. One would think that he wouldn't be able to get that close if there was a shield around the hive ship.

Posted by: IndyJan Aug 20th 2005, 6:27 PM

This episode was okay, not good, but okay.

I did like the Teyla/Ronon storyline though. I thought it was great that Ronon found out that there are 300 survivors of his world. he was not alone. The last scene with Teyla when she took him to his room, was a good scene. Ronon got emotional, not a lot, just enough. I have no problem understandin the actor, and I usually do have problems. It's why I watch in closed caption, but I can understand him just fine.

Once again, can I say that McKay is an idiot! I'm getting real tired of his, holierthanthou mentality. He's the only one that can be right, no one else. He is constantly putting others down, which I really wish Weir would give him a slap upside the head for. Not only does he put others down, namely Zelenka, but he doesn't even question anything about the danger for others. He just does not care in anyway. Why would he have them turn something on when he had just sent Collins into that corridor to manually do something? McKay totally forgot about him. It's always about McKay. I'll win a Nobel Prize. I'm really beginning to dislike McKay.

Posted by: SomeEvilGuy Aug 20th 2005, 7:43 PM

When I first saw the big space graveyard, I thought we mite be in for them finding some sort of semi-wreaked Ancient Battleship (come on, ya know u want them to find one! ) A good story tho, shame they yet again get nothing out of it though.

Posted by: dr_n_tesla Aug 21st 2005, 2:35 AM

I absolutely loved this episode! For all those whinging about the weapon and how puny it was, well it wasn't of Ancient design.
Sheppard: "The outpost was ordered by the Ancients in Atlantis to defend the Deranded people using their weapons powered by this new power source."
It was the local people's big honkin space gun, powered by the experimental Ancient power source. It was a chance for the Ancients to experiment as well as try and protect the humans there who were willing to fight. They knew that if it worked there, then they could bring it home and completely defend Atlantis then bring the fight to the Wraith.

The complex kind of reminded me of the Tollan weapons installations, the Ion Cannons. But was disappointed to see what kind of weapons fire it produced. Then again, it wasn't of Ancient design cos they do everything big. If that power source worked, can you imagine the extent of Atlantis' shields enveloping the largest area it's shield emitters could cover as well as the 3 point defence weapons bays in full action spewing like orange fountains never running out of drones. Imaging the upgrades, since the shield would cover a larger area, the satellite weapons would be ground based (on the city) and protected creating a beautiful laser light show!!

Mackay needs to wear a leash, here he was pointing out that the Ancients were rushed doing the experiments being the reason why they failed when he was rushing into things as well. They were in no rush and could have cloaked the facility with a PJ's stealth mode generator on steroids (naquada generators). I'm sure they don't require the no where near the same amount of energy as a shield. They would have had pleanty of time to conduct the tests at very low power outputs like less than 10% to see what they could control, eventually discovering that they wouldn't be able to control it without creating an overload.

Why be greedy for, just take home the data and hide the experiment from the Wraith if possible. They could have taken the weapon home and reinstalled it on Atlantis, then figured out a power source for it later. At least it would be in safe hands, not being of Ancient design I believe that it would not be necessary for a large Ancient power source to power the weapon since the Satellite weapons packed more punch, which in comparision were greatly under powered having to buffer energy before being fired.

Funny to see that the gun was created before the logistics to run it at full potential was created. Just like the Daedalus and it's Asgard Hyperdrive and shields powered by a ZPM. As for the Daedalus, they need to upgrade the tracking and targeting systems for the Asgard transporter beam as well as installing a Stealth Mode Generator. We need to be able to hit a fleet of Wraith ships simultaneously with the element of surprise.

Posted by: drifter87 Aug 21st 2005, 3:44 AM

hey dr n tesla howd u see the latest atlantis episode if u live in sydney australia
haha dont worry mate im in the same boat, just saw it then.. episode was okay.. not the best.

We need more episodes like that of the storm and the eye from season 1. Lots of action and that. Most of the episodes in season 1 were dedicated to finding a zpm, so that why they were always travelling around the place. why are they travelling around now? theyve found their zpm... what are they doing now?

i hope it gets better when we find out more about the liutenant ford side of the story.

til next time

Posted by: ted_simple Aug 21st 2005, 4:40 AM

Who does McKay think he is? Megalomania anyone? Since the outcome was again a hundred percent (using Rodney's terms) forseeable - "the Ancients couldn't do it for <insert techno babble> so we can't do it either" - the focus of interest was on the characterization of McKay who doesn't have my sympathy this time.

All in all, a series that starts to get old in its second season has a problem.

Posted by: drifter87 Aug 21st 2005, 5:37 AM

i totally agree... same old same old

Posted by: SomeEvilGuy Aug 21st 2005, 6:41 AM

In regards to weapons fire, the power source was only set to 40%....maybe that was why it didn't have such a devestating effect. They did say that the Ancients used it on full power...

Posted by: mithwriter Aug 21st 2005, 10:30 AM

Oh yes he can. It's called playing against the audience's expectations..and more importantly Teyla's. If they had shown Ronin bitching and moaning about this guy and wanting revenge, then chances are it wouldn't have happened with the help of anyone from Atlantis. It also showed that Ronin has several interesting little sides to him. He can be a genuine nice guy to his friends (see the bar scene), but he will also use people to get to a goal that he believes is just. If you notice, even the guys who were working for this guy thought the commander deserved his fate, or they wou;d've shot Ronin then and there.

Well, you have to remember that the first overload "only" cuased the death of a crewmember. I'm sure if Rodney had said "By the way, I could blow up 3/4 of the local solar system if I screw this up." Then he wouldn't have gotten the green light. I think it would be interesting to see later down the line the ramifications of what he did. For example, I bet they'll either end up going to a planet that survived the er...accident or they'll encounter people who got away....and Rodney will have to pay for what he did in other ways besides what happened on Atlantis.

Posted by: Stargate Master Aug 21st 2005, 11:28 AM

Good episode from Atlantis here. McKay was so over confident in this episode it was unbelievable, you could just see it coming that he was going to be wrong about the test working. When the weapon was firing it looked really cool, great effects!

About Ronan, it was a big surprise when he just shot dead his military trainer, Kell, but you could sort of tell from the hate in his eyes that he was going to do something shocking. I think we also saw the more humourous side of Ronan when we saw him drinking with his old friend that served with him in the military.

Overall I would rate this episode 8/10, Nice Ep!

Posted by: Eleh Aug 21st 2005, 11:53 AM

Hmmm....Why is the name of this episode "trinity"? Maybe it is just me, but I don't see how any trinity has anything to do with the happenings of this episode.

Posted by: Sony Aug 21st 2005, 2:57 PM

Oh i understand that it was supposed to be out of the blue, im not denying that.
And im NOT talking about the role of Ronin being bad. on the contrary, the role is a great idea. even the background, 7 years in Tibet,oops, jungle running away from the wraith is also a fine idea.
the guys not shooting him, since you reminded me .
if theres a first thing in psychology of the human mind its that those guys a/ after the destruction, wouldnt stay with him or b/ the ones that would and especially the bodyguards, would be a father figure needing suck ups, whod shoot Ronin on the spot. hired mercenary wouldnt know the background and therefore MIGHT not shoot. but it was presented as if they were his people so.. the brain,one of a war tested mercenary does not fuction very well with all the adrenaline pumping and resorts to instinct (trigger . shoot ).
but that doesnt matter that much. its just the fact that it didnt seem convincing to me, not by Ronins behaviour and bad acting ( check out some classic bad guy movies, the last thing neccesary is to be big and fit , you can do all that with character, which the guy playing Ronin is in lack of, perhaps for a romantic comedy )
I dont really have the time to watch it again now and go over what would be good acting, but overall in this time and age , show's views originate from the viewer (cold murder does not fit here,unless...) and you need to explain it somehow. a show is an emotional ride and this episode, the part with the rasta man was not. I just wrote that as an example, that he would talk about this guy , thats just one thing. the other things is that after all that years being alone and now again with people would make him annoyed or sad when alone or whatever and theyd make the audience feel sorry for him, sympathise with him... so that we'd understand his killing. theres a million things they could do. you need to bring the actor closer to the audience, and NOT just by him being a pretty face, who doesnt talk much and tries to looks angry. sh*t ive written enough...
later

Posted by: ladyjax Aug 21st 2005, 6:56 PM

Hi newbie here!

Anyway, "Trinity" refers to the Trinity testing site just outside Alamagordo, New Mexico. It's where they conducted the atomic bomb tests of the Manhattan Project.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Aug 21st 2005, 7:41 PM

They actually have the proper Asgard systems on board. It's simply that they can't beam to multiple locations at once. To do that they would need multiple transporter systems. An actual Asgard ship can't do any more than Daedalus could in that regard.



Rodney set it at half, but is spiked & begain to go into overload. He couldn't shutit down & so it was at full power when it began firing.



I honestly knew that's what was going to happen for ages. You could tell when the spoilers were released about Dex being told that his former trainer was still alive. For a start if they had been close then Dex would have went with him & all his other own people, rather than stay on Atlantis. That would have meant no more Dex at all.

Posted by: taujin Aug 21st 2005, 8:55 PM

The probem is that it might not be possible to scale things down. Remember that McKay only used 40% power for his 2nd try, and that still caused the system to lose control and eventually overload.

So, unless you plan to take out 3/4 of a galaxy, detonating a ZPM would be more scalable.

My likes for this episode:
- Ronan finding some of his kin. Poor guy would have had to mope for a whole season if he was truly the sole survivor.
- McKay's ego getting deflated. His arrogance at this point in the show is unbelievable. He should have seen enough alien technology to acknowledge that he didn't know everything.

My dis-likes:
- Ronan's execution of his former CO. Where did he get off on becoming judge and jury? This sort of vigilante behavior does not make him a reliable team player for the SG:A squad.
- When the reactor overloaded and the weapons fired to discharge the energy, why did it target the Puddlejumper? If this was truly ancient technology, it should have known better than to fire on their own ships. Where was the PJ's cloak?

TJ

Posted by: SomeEvilGuy Aug 21st 2005, 8:58 PM

Very clever.

Posted by: seymour Aug 21st 2005, 9:53 PM

Yes, it would be interesting to deal with the ramifications of McKay "not-so-little" mishap, and I enjoy an episode where everything is not neatly solved in 40plus minutes.

But, Weir is supposed to be in command and there was no immediate threat to Atlantis and therefore no immediate need to rush recklessly into testing the weapon a second time on the word of one (somewhat deranged) scientist against the sound reasoning of the more cautious Zelenka (a great addition to this cast).

The buck stops with Weir. She made a poor decision that was unduley inflenced by her rivalry with the Co. "What's His Name." She made the decision to go ahead with the test.




I'm hopeful. The whole cast has a lot of depth and by spreading the stories around, the show should not get stale. I think the scripts should focus less on Mackay though. Sometimes, it feels like "Mckaygate".

Posted by: IndyJan Aug 22nd 2005, 1:44 AM

ITA Ted, I watched Atlantis last season because it was a spin-off of SG. I continued to watch this season for the same reason. Now, I probably won't unless they make some changes. One being, toning down McKay from his "I'm god complex." They need to let others shine and do things, Zelenka, Beckett, and maybe others. Usually it's medical doctors that end up with a "god complex." They can do no wrong. They can save lives, no matter what, etc. McKay seems to be thinking the same thing. It's always about him. Siege 3, I'm getting tired of him real fast.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 22nd 2005, 3:56 AM

OK I just watched this episode and I thought it a HUGE improvement in the SGA series. FINALLY an episode with substance. That made you think deeply. Phew, I was getting scared S2 would suck.

Teyla actress is pregnant. She must be. She looks to be 4 months along. Does anyone know if she is really pregnant?

How cool was it that the D came to the rescue. Awesome. But makes me wonder why some Ancients didn't escape like they did. Maybe some did.

Zelenka was right and Rodney was wrong. So Rodney has been built over the last 5 episodes as the god of technology. People here have been whining about that. Well I think they did that on purpuse so that his fall in this episode would be that much more drastic. He needed to be bitch slapped by fate. Put in his place so that his ego would not get more people killed. Something is going to happen to give even more purpose to this episode.

Very nice. I do not usually rate episodes but I give this one a 10/10.

I liked that Ronan killed that SOB. If I were in his position I too would have done the same thing. I like how Teyla agreed with his action. Ronan only errored in his using Teyla to accomplish his deed. He knew that Telya would cover his 6. This was such a Telya/Ronan shippy episode. Way cool hookup those two would be.

Posted by: ted_simple Aug 22nd 2005, 4:07 AM

And the others aren't better. Let me put it this way... the fact that they don't stop him until he blows up a solar system makes it difficult to take Weir and Sheppard seriously any longer. I was just shouting "shut Rodney up NOW!" for the latter half of the episode but again he won and got his way, I guess this is why I am angry, and come on, all that it has cost him was a setback in regards to Sheppards trust and there'll be no further consequences for him.

This is why it all sucked.

Although I understand why Auntie would see this episode as one of substance.

Posted by: Pitry Aug 22nd 2005, 4:30 AM

My thoughts exactly, Em Finally, an episode this season other than Siege that gets more than a "decent".

I really enjoyed the McKay story. It was obvious tehy're not going to get such a good weapon this early in the show - or at all, cough - I think it did wonders to McKay's character. After the goofy McKay we've seen in the last episodes, the one who was the base for the jokes and puns in the past 4 episodes, we see a real McKay. McKay feeling guilty he sent one of his men to his death - arrogant, insufferable McKay that's sure he knows everything, better than anyone - including the Ancients - putting down Zelenca again, honestly, I don't know why Zelenca puts up with it, I'd have smacked Rodney by now - and finally, McKay humbled down by a huge, huge mistake he made for which he has to take responsibility for. A real blow to his own arrogance. I loved it.

The Ronon Teyla story, not so. It was an improvement on the rest of the Ronon we've seen this season, but it was predictable to the extreme - the second they did that close up on Ronon when his teacher was mention it was obvious the guy's dead the second Ronon sees him. The teenaged vibe I got from the beginning of the episode "can I please go with you?" was painful. I enjoyed one bit about Teyla here. The way she tells Ronon sometimes she needs tog et away from Atlantis, anywhere away. First signs that not all that direntiates her from the Earth people is the fact she wasn't born in the MW. I hope they play a bit on that, this is definitely the kind of character development Teyla desperately needs, 26 episodes into the pilot.

Oh, and thankee for the Trinity explanation. I was wondering where that came from meself

Now I jsut hope the rest of season 2 looks that way, not like Condemned!

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 22nd 2005, 4:48 AM

OH, I forgot to say. PLEASE. I know they are saving money for cool CGI but why oh heavenly why did they use that house as the house that Teyla and Ronan had to kill that man. It was the same house that Daniel and Vala lived in, in SG"Origin" They covered up the village pretty good and removed the burning alter, but it still was the same village.

Posted by: ancient01 Aug 22nd 2005, 6:07 AM

I hope this episode gives the writers an opportunity to scale back Rodney's ego. That was his Achilles heel from his SG1 years. Now in Atlantis his ego is growing even more. I was glad to see in previous episodes his ability to step up and put his life on the line a little for his friends. Hopefully this episode will also stand to help develop his character. I guess they needed to push that part of his character to the max before they could start to change it... I enjoyed the episode if only for that reason.

Posted by: Cuokuo Aug 22nd 2005, 6:32 AM

Pretty good ep
Loved seeing the big gun

COmments
Was surprised that the Daedelus was able to take a couple of hits from the gun. I would have that it'll be some massive energy weapon with a one shot kill.

Also think that the weapon whilst difficult to harness for more productive purposes can still be used (hey if u can take out a quarter of an solar system u can do alot of damage)

Posted by: startreksuite Aug 22nd 2005, 7:25 AM

Great episode! McKay was faced with his ultimate challenge: make a super power source work, one in which killed the ancients, since even they couldn't figure it out! Of course it couldn't be fixed, since it was unstable, unpredictable. Plus, it would ruin the struggle with the wraith, since they could be easily overpowered, and make earth a utopia, no more fossil fuels, as Colonel Caldwell said. Ronan's life is looking up, finding his people have survived the wraith, 300 of them! However, killing the traitor to his people, and possibly damaging negotiations with the people of that planet make it harder for Teyla, maybe adds a twist to the show?

Posted by: IndyJan Aug 22nd 2005, 11:19 AM

I think that McKay has done such a number on both Weir and Sheppard in regards to what he can and cannot do, they went with him. Plus, they were excited about possibly having a weapon that would defeat the Wraith. They were both idiots just as McKay. But because of what Zelenka told Weir, Weir tried to halt it. Once again, McKay snowed them. Yeah, Sheppard won't trust McKay so easily next time. It may not seem like much, but I'm hoping that the writers use it, and make it so much more difficult for McKay to do anything. I'm hoping that Weir and Sheppard may go more to Zelenka in regards to things now.

Yeah, I know why Em liked the show, and yes it had more depth, but it doesn't mean that I have to like how McKay is and just how large his ego has become.

Posted by: Asgard1 Aug 22nd 2005, 11:59 AM

I loved when you saw Weir screaming at McKay for Destrtoying 3/4 of the solar system, I wish we could of saw her office rather than out, she was pissed, WOW.

I hope McKay learns from this, that just because the Ancients couldn't get it to work, that doesn't mean he can.

It was cool to see Ronin having a good time. That was crazy when he shot his former military trainer, I guess it just shows the badass that he is. He does what he wants, unless he's ordered not to. I don't know, we'll see in future episodes.

Posted by: Ilzy Aug 22nd 2005, 1:02 PM

I had a strange deja vue feeling about the village and then I finally got where it came from... The changes they had made to the set made it look like a carneval...

All in all I think the episode was pretty good and gave more depth to McKay's character which is my favourite of them all because he's the most colorful. From one side he can be heroic, caring and simply brilliant and then there's the other, arrogant side of him.

What made me think was the Daedalus military guy's (don't remember the name) accusation to Weir that she has put the Ancients on a pedestal. The Ancients have been portray as the almost perfect, all knowing race and every assumtion that they might have made a mistake is regarded as absurd. But, come on, nobody's perfect! IMO Rodney was right to question their calculations he just didn't have to be so damn self-assuered.

One thing, though, I just can't get used to the "Baywatch" guy in a sci-fi series

Posted by: ted_simple Aug 22nd 2005, 1:52 PM

David Hasselhoff is on Atlantis? Noooo!

Posted by: seymour Aug 22nd 2005, 2:48 PM

I would say "I hope the writers show that Weir has learned from this.."

Posted by: stargatefan566 Aug 22nd 2005, 5:56 PM

bad episode but ronan killing a guy was sweet

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Aug 22nd 2005, 7:28 PM

Bet you got that from the link below.

http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=16025

That J_B is one smart dude, even if I do say so myself!

Posted by: Circe Aug 22nd 2005, 9:54 PM

That?s nuts! Change McKay I will stop watching if they do! He is by far the best and most interesting one on the show.

This has been my fav episode to date(both series included) I love the new guy as well. They NEED to have him shirtless for three or for consecutive episodes though.

My one complaint about this show was that Shepperd was such a dick to Rodney. Yeah, he made a mistake of biblical proportions, but he didn't do anything out of malice. He honestly did believe he could pull the whole thing off or he never would have risked his own life, let alone Shepper?s, if he had even a shadow of doubt. If Shepperd was really his friend he would know this and forgive him. This detracts from the show in my opinion because if you can't believe the characters have a real affection for each other than it looses half of its appeal. That?s why SG-1 is so good. Jack or Daniel or Teal'k would never have given Sam the cold shoulder no matter what she did, they would have forgiven her no questions asked. If the writers need to change anything they should develop a stronger friendship bond between the 4 main characters. Any way, in spite of that 10/10

Posted by: ZeroPoint Aug 22nd 2005, 11:53 PM

Agreed.
The McKay character pretty much has to be just that way or become a Carter ripoff.

It looks like the writers somewhat wrote a corner, because SG1 characters are cooperative with each other but wanted Atlantis to be a different show. Well having non-cooperative characters is different, though maybe not productive.
I haven't seen very much bonding at all on the show, and most episodes have characters (even Sheppard/Teyla) saying things to each other that I wouldn't say to coworkers I barely know because its mean.

As a personal note, I'd give McKay credit (definitely a military one) of making one of the largest explosives seen to date. Bet one of those would've stopped that Prior in SG1.

Posted by: IndyJan Aug 23rd 2005, 12:41 AM

McKay is a #1 jerk! It's always about him. He's always right, no one else. He's the smartest. He can do anything. He's even smarter than the ancients. McKay was way off base and needs to be knocked down a peg or two. I hope that neither Sheppard or Weir lets McKay do anything for awhile. McKay had no business coming down on Zelenka, who is his favorite person to pick on. Yes, this is McKay's character, but not to this point. It's Mckay that cannot stand the competition.

McKay did not risk his life, why? because he feels he knows anything, so it never even occurred to him to not do it. He didn't hesitate to send Collins in to do something manually and forget that he was there and told them to begin the test. Like I said, he's a jerk!

Posted by: kettricken Aug 23rd 2005, 4:11 AM

woohoo round of applause, much better i admit after last weeks debarckle i was a little scepticle but never fear! everything will be ok

i admit i picked up on the villiage being from origin within a couple of seconds, despite all the crazy carnival flags i noticed the second the were there, however, it was kinda a cool set so i can forgove them, i just hope they give us something damned good with all the money they saved.

yes elizabeth yelling at McKay was classic, as for his ego i highly doubt he will alter it, however he may be a little more cautious in future and hopefully listen to zelenka, poor baby, *pats her fave sciencey guy on the head in sympathy*

as for Ronan, he should have shot Teyla instead stupid bloody Teyla.

Posted by: Ilzy Aug 23rd 2005, 6:40 AM

Why don't you like Teyla? Besides it seems Ronan seems a bit interested in her (or at least friendly) so I doubt he'd do that

Posted by: kettricken Aug 23rd 2005, 6:51 AM

of course he's interested in her, he's been on the run from the wraith for 7 years, the guy needs to get laid already, that much time with no companionship but myself i think id probably be desperate enough to be interested in Teyla if she was the only option....he dosn't know anyone on Atlantis well enough to really trust them yet, after all they are from another galaxy, but he has a lot in common with Teyla. as for why i don't like her, she's annoying, she's stupid, she never does anything of any importance and the only thing her character has going for her is she can play well with sticks. as for rachael lutrell, no offence but i dont think she's a very good actress, and if they stuck the character in for some extra female material to look at they could have done a damn sight better. it just bugs me that the only point i can see to her character is the whole 'we have to even up the man-woman ratio so lets stick in a female version of Teal'c with a load of local knowledge and the ability to fight' it dosn't work though, because she's about as usefull as Ford. at least Ford is occasionally ammusing.

Posted by: aliaras Aug 23rd 2005, 8:32 AM

Ford bugs me a lot more than teyla and he's out of the way now, which is good. Teyla's a bit of eye candy for the guys, our knowledge-of-trading-partners person, and our Resident Alien to suggest we do something differently. That's a role. Fords role was to shoot things. Any extra can shoot things.

Anyways, this episode was disturbing to me. Seems like the writers wanted a frienship-screwup episode. All the characters at one point in the series have to mess up a friendship and then fix it, but it felt kinda wierd that they squeezed 2 storylines into a show and both had a similar outcome.

Ronin shooting the guy was unexpected, Teyla's reaction was not. McKay being wrong was also predictable, and yes, I do hope they focus on other characters(ronin/teyla, sheppard/wier) a bit more.

After this episode I firmly have my shippy predictions for the series: Ronin/Teyla(You two make a nice match; when he was drunk I thought someone might get laid), and Sheppard/Wier(Sparks, sparks...and more SPARKS! You've got that little line of tension between them...and more sparks!)

Posted by: kettricken Aug 23rd 2005, 10:38 AM

eye candy? no offense sweetheart but she isnt exactly pretty....she isnt even marginally attractive, but hey thats just my opinion.


oooo yes john and elizabeth however zelenka will be crushed, poor baby

Posted by: Circe Aug 23rd 2005, 4:38 PM

No one else remembered Collins either, not even Shepperd or Zelenka, so you can't hold that against him. None of them knew how dangerous the thing was until after Collins got fried. And I don't feel all that bad for Zelenka, he stands up for himself well enough, he has even made McKay back down before(Duet). And no matter what passes between them they still seem like friends deep down.

I don't think that everybody needs to get along as good as those in SG-1 but I still want them to be friends no matter what. And I don't get that feeling now and It takes a lot of the fun out of the show


NO, NO, NO.....Zelenka+Wier

Shepperd+Sora(I hope they bring her back,I liked her and they still have her
captive, what's up with that?) I do agree about Tayla and Ronin.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Aug 24th 2005, 7:28 AM

Zelenka likes Weir but Weir likes Shep.

Sora isn't in Atlantis any longer. She was traded back to the Genii in 'The Siege II' for the Nukes. However the scene ran too long & it had to be cut.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Aug 24th 2005, 12:54 PM

So technically it did not happen than. Sora could be brought back without an explaination.

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Aug 24th 2005, 1:46 PM

It did happen! Joe Mallozzi has already said that she was sent back in exchange & that she's no longer in Atlantis any longer. They were simply forced to cut the scene as they over ran it & had to cut something out. They chose that. Perhaps she might be seen later on in 'Coup D'etat'.

Posted by: cvvrede Aug 24th 2005, 2:22 PM

I hope it's going to be Liz and John. Why else would Torri Higginson be named second in the credits?

I thought the Ancients outpost is very cool , but a power-source that is better than the ZPM, it was to be expected that it was too good to be true. They started of very enthusiastic and they were actually smiling. Then everything hit the fan with a death. A death I thought would have affected McKay more than it did. It was very touching that Sheppard trusted McKay and the two of them and Dr. Zelenka was very good. Like in the episode ?Runner? we see character traits of Rodney that aren?t very good. And even though it isn?t one of my favorite things about him, it does cause some very impressive scenes.

It?s kind of interesting to see Ronin in his natural habitat. But I did think it was stupid of him to betray Teyla?s friendship (I think that maybe between them there could be a bit more than friendship). But that seems to go around in this episode. Now that we know there are more of is people out there, maybe they are like Ronin and want to fight the Wraith and join Atlantis? cause.

But the best thing about this episode in my opinion is the last scene. It is not one of those scenes that make you laugh or cry. It is not overly exaggerated or too emotional. It?s just a great scene.

Posted by: Felger Aug 24th 2005, 3:13 PM

I totally agree, the only strong point for Teyla was in ?The Gift? when she was the moral ideal by wanting to help people no matter the cost and Sheppard was pitched against her as human morality, I liked how she aided with the realisation that not only are we evil bar stewards but that the two galaxies have very different values.

Beyond this she?s been a pointless weight and the expression on her face when she said ?It is done? in Siege III made me cringe? her eyebrows are like caterpillars sometimes they move that much, learn to moderate the facial movement then you?ll be a decent actress dear!!!

Anyway on to the relevant bit:

I disliked this episode quite a lot, in fact its only saving grace was the poignant overtone of that being the Ancients? last bastion of hope, beyond that they had nothing.

The first clip of the desolate ships definitely set the tone for the first ten minutes with the knowledge that at some point there would have been a flurry of activity and massive amount of desperation from either side battling for their very lives but ultimately all that the team saw was a coldly lifeless grave yard of tattered remnants from eras passed. I really liked that way of compounding the scale of what happened ten thousand years ago by showing its artefacts now.

After that the dismal shards of an exterminated society created a haunting atmosphere because at some point there would have been countless thousands of people flowing around, all that remained was a black landscape with all life burned from it. The thunder was bit clich? though.

The music was wonderful, the ghostly piano and tragically drawn out notes when the team found the corpses really added ambience for me. Then the fact the Ancients never managed to retrieve the bodies showed how much they had lost by the end of the war, the people who valued life and compassion couldn?t even claim their own for... whatever they did with bodies... very sad.

Even more disturbing for me was when it turned out the Ancients on Atlantis ordered the use of the weapon against recommendations because they were not only desperate for progress when facing defeat but because they had no other defensive options available to them? that defiantly illustrates how far the resources of the most powerful race in the SG universe had dwindled.

After that theme was set for me I could just see the inhabitants looking up in apprehension at the weapon flailing fire at the orbiting Wraith, praying that it succeeded in defending them so they wouldn?t endure terrible deaths. Or the Ancient scientists? hopes being shattered into a thousand pieces when their last chance failed, then dying with guilt as they struggled to stop their creation killing innocent allies ultimately resulting in them valiantly sacrificing their lives then having nobody remember what transpired there.

Other than that I extracted nothing of relevance from the episode, the break down of trust happened to quickly? it should have been small events placed over a season, not in a few short episodes with ridiculously out-of-character decisions.

McKay?s arrogance was totally unrealistic even considering that he thought he could save the galaxy, the end result was obvious from the start, Caldwell said that the Ancients were being placed on too high a pedestal which raised fears that the producer might dare give them a human factor (i.e. total failure and moral ineptitude) when they should be written as that pedestal race, I felt that skipping the Teyla/Ronon story it was that lacking in character development or relevance, McKay?s remorse was inconsistent as he nearly cried when addressing Sheppard but lightly said ?5/6 its not an exact size? when talking to Weir, and while I understood the techno-babble's context I found it unbelievable.

Overall the ghostly Ancient involvement bumped it to a 6/10 but I?m not sure it was even intended but rather my obsession with them kicking in because I was getting my history ?shot? to make me happy.

Not.A.Happy.Bunny!

Posted by: Circe Aug 24th 2005, 4:40 PM

Doesn?t anyone else think Shepperd was unnecessarily mean to McKay at the end of the episode? I do. Shep was such a prick when Mckay went to him at the end of the episode. He seemed like he would rather teach McKay a lesson then comfort his distraught friend. And before that when McKay went to Shep's quarters after Collins got killed, all guilt ridden I might add, Shep wouldn?t even let him in. What the hell was that??I guess they are not friends at all and I don?t like that one little bit

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Aug 24th 2005, 5:57 PM

I don't think he was being a P about it. It was him who convinced Weir to let McKay go back & do it.

Yet he almost destroyed a whole solar system, I've read other opinions about the reason why, such as to try & make Collins death as to not have been in vain. I don't think that's the reason at all. It was him who sent Lindstrom to check out the systems along with him in 'Intruder' & he ended up getting sucked out into space. More than anything it was his ego. He wanted to succeed where the Ancients failed, he refused to heed any advice or warnings that were given to him, by insisting he was right & everyone else was wrong.

Although it''s possible I don't think that there was a second planet in the solar system that sustained similar human life. So by Shep trying to avoid him & being cold to hil was him getting off far, far too lightly. Shep should have smacked him a good one & Weir should have sent his ass to the brig for a little cooldown period.

One thing I hope though, is that they managed to get detailed plans for the whole project, including the energy weapons before they went back & blew everything up.

Posted by: Circe Aug 24th 2005, 10:19 PM

But not because they were friends, it was because Sheperd saw value in the weapon



So he's arrogant, not malicious. And it wasn't only him that was all gung ho about going back to the weapon to try again. X-Files wanted it as well. And Linstrom was murdered, you can't blame that on McKay


I don't see how the rest of the SGA group could think it was not worth the risk to try again even if the chances of sucsess were slim to none. I also don't see how anyone could think its reasonable to turn your back on a friend when they just might need you the most....That's cold

Posted by: stalker0 Aug 25th 2005, 1:17 AM

This episode was okay with a couple of points:

1) I like McKay, I really do. But we do have some other characters on the show. Sheppard is starting to feel like a backdrop.

2) I have no problems with starting some romance on the show, but does anyone else think they are slamming Teyla and Ronin together? I mean the one guy even called Teyla Ronin's girlfriend. How much more blatant can you get?

Posted by: JamesyBHOY Aug 25th 2005, 4:33 AM

You must have been watching a different episode from me. As I recall Shep didn't want to go back at all. He only agreed because Rodney asked him to trust him.

Of course Caldwell wanted it, he's military & I'm sure all of the Marines in Atlantis wanted it as well. However none of them had a say in the matter did they.

I didn't say he was malicious at all! I said Ego! Which is by all definitions Arrogance. So there really was nothing to add in there.

The problem is the rest of the main SGA team did think that the risks were too great. I'm sure they wanted the power source as anyone would have, However after the death then peoples lives took priority. That's why they stopped the project after the first time. Weir only relented because Shep asked her to, which was due to McKay having pleaded with him earlier. I don't think that will ever happen. Shep is feeling guilty because if he had of poot his foot down then this wouldn't have happened. So him avoiding McKay yet saying that McKay could still win back his trust in time was very humanic. He should have put his boot down his throat instead.

They didn't turn their backs on him at all. They tried to stop him from himself, but ultimtaely failed. You don't seem to realize exactly what was destroyed. So because he wanted to prove he was smarter than the Ancients & failed. Destroying most of a solar system in the process & the other senior members of the team decide to give him the cold shoulder, then that's wrong because he needs them. He gave his word it wouldn't happen as before, yet it was much, much worse the second time. Goodness knows how much life was wiped out when the big bang took out the solar system.

Then when back in Atlantis when Weir is giving him a scolding, he turns around & says it's not an exact science. Hardly the words of a remorseful man, don't you think! So McKay gets the cold shoulder, Boo Hoo! That's the absolute lightest punishment that he would have received. If that had been real life, His ass would have been on the first plane home. Luckily for him then, that he's a main character.

Posted by: Athena Aug 25th 2005, 8:14 AM

You know I've really enjoyed all of the Atlantis episodes so far. McKay has gotten more funny and more neurotic than usual. (Boy, I never realized how cowardly he was.)

With that said, I didn't really like McKay in this episode. I didn't like his arrogance, or his superiority. He really thought he could do no wrong. That there was no one smarter than him - including the Ancients. And because of that arrogance, he almost got Sheppard killed.

However, I am liking Ronon more and more. He is so kickass - the male Teyla.

Posted by: Circe Aug 26th 2005, 1:53 PM

Well I still don?t think McKay was all that bad. Everybody makes mistakes, his was just that he bit off more than he could chew . Why is everyone so surprised at his level of arrogance, its nothing new from the first episode. That?s why I like the character so much, his foibles make him more human. Everybody onSG-1 was so upright and good with no glaring character flaws, people generally aren?t like that. And he didn?t seem remorseful about blowing up the solar system when talking to Wier at the end of the episode because he was trying to save face, he is a prideful man and that?s totally in keeping with his character.

I can?t wait till Tuesday to watch it over again! Best episode EVER

Posted by: Mattthegreat995 Aug 30th 2005, 2:27 AM

I think this ep could have been better if it had just revolved around Ronon Dex and him finding his mates.
But this ep bored me at some times. Which annoys me a lot because i watch ATlantis to be entertained a lot more than SG-1. But at least SG-1 was good.
Matts Score:
Digital Effects: Wasnt paying attention
Storyline: McKay and Shep-6.2/10. Ronon and Teyla-9.3/10
Entertainement: sigh

Posted by: Circe Aug 30th 2005, 10:17 PM

No way..more Ronan would have been less McKay!


ALSO- Does anyone know how long it takes a body to decompose? Wouldn?t the bodies have decomposed completely in 10 thousand years?

ALSO- who was Dr. Vogal and why did he like pastries so much?

Posted by: kem Sep 15th 2005, 9:04 AM

omg... i really hated mckay in this ep...
how could he ... i mean... just thinking about him in this ep makes me furious

o.k. he has been excited about the machine/weapon/energy source thing, but hey no reason to destroy a solar system

i guess yes unless the lab has been without any oxygen, or the weapon kill everything (including bacteria, viruses, etc.) but i actually do not know

Posted by: Christy Sep 16th 2005, 11:51 PM

I would have thought that bones would have decomposed...bones do decompose dont they?

Posted by: Gate Jumper Sep 16th 2005, 11:59 PM

Yeah he was nuts in this episode, he had to result to begging Sheppard to let him go back, he was just pathetic in this episode.

Posted by: Circe Sep 26th 2005, 8:33 PM

Yes, bones do decompose. Anything organic will decompose eventually.

So, what about Dr.Vogal?McKay said that Shep?s eyes light up like Dr.Vogal at the mention of pastries?.What?s up with that?

Posted by: Lagger Oct 4th 2005, 5:33 AM

U reckon they managed to salvage the plans of that device? or at least the laser cannon that was firing at the end. it fires pretty quickly, and im sure with a bit of tweaking it woulda kicked bum on the dadealus.

Posted by: Dafmeister Nov 23rd 2005, 4:05 PM

I thought this was a good episode. The characters seemed a bit out of character to me. Sheppard was an ass in some scenes, as was Caldwell and McKay went back to how he was in SG1. Weir and Teyla were good as they showed they can be hardasses when it is required. One nitpick though, how could the Daedalus' shield withstand the weapon? We have seen the Wraith ships drain it pretty quickly but it could withstand multiple shots from it even though it was supposed to be the most powerful weapon the Ancients had created.

Posted by: glom Nov 23rd 2005, 4:39 PM

TECHNOBABBLE OF THE WEEK: I had horrible flashbacks of some of Voyager's more illucid episodes when Zelenka mentioned a region of space where the laws of physics don't apply. Shudder!

ATLANTIS UNINTELLIGENCE OF THE WEEK: 1) The Ancients failed to make the technology work. 2) Zelenka says it's a very bad idea. 3) This is possibly the most advanced technology in the universe tapping enormous amounts of power. 4) It has been shown to be potentially unstable. So these things considered, what could compell them to start firing the thing up? Apparently the word of a scientist known to be arrogant and with delusions of grandeur. I don't buy it. McKay does not have a good track record for objective optimism with his crazy schemes. This should never have gone that far.

ATLANTIS UNINTELLIGENCE OF THE WEEK RUNNER-UP: You've got dead Ancients on the flaw that apparently weren't culled. Plague anyone? They could have at least considered that or similar options rather than declaring it a mystery and moving on blindly.

ATLANTIS UNINTELLIGENCE OF THE WEEK SECOND RUNNER-UP: Presumably the Ancient weapon still needs line of sight. Why go straight up and allow a clear view for the weapon to fire at you?

ATLANTIS SUPERINTELLIGENCE OF THE WEEK: The most advanced form of power in the universe and after a time span of what could be no more than a couple of weeks (if that if we take the timeline to be consistent with the B story) the scientists of the Atlantis expedition believe they have solved the mystery. McKay's arrogant, but it's a stretch for him even to believe he knows the science better than the Ancients themselves after finding it days earlier.

ANCIENT UNINTELLIGENCE OF THE WEEK: Where's the big red emergency shutdown button? Good thing Ancient scientists never tried to do anything here. Nuclear reactors have passive safety and even that's not good enough for some.

NEW THERMODYNAMICS OF THE WEEK: If the region of subspace used by the ZPMs is artificial, then where did the energy come from to create it? We're drifting dangerously close to the perpetual motion machine, people.

ENERGY POLICY OF THE WEEK: McKay thinks this machine could be used to replace fossil fuels. Yeah that'll work. It depends on an active containment field to keep the energy under wraps and apparently is inherently unstable (hence why he needs to correct to power spikes). Modern nuclear reactors incorporate passive safety and they're still not good enough for some. Hell hath no fury like a luddite scorned and McKay is about to scorn them.

BLUNT OBJECT OF THE WEEK: The storyline of McKay being humbled after his arrogance causes a near disaster could have been more effective if it wasn't so overly contrived. As I already said, McKay's arrogance is a push even for him and the trust expressed by Weir and Shepherd is too much. Then again, maybe they wanted to see the look on his face when he fails.

NEW GEOGRAPHY OF THE WEEK: Orbital space shrunk a bit. The jumper passed within metres of the Daedalus and the debris field.

NEW TECHNOLOGY OF THE WEEK: Apparently Wraith ships have some functionality even when they've been blown to pieces. Must be like the Wraith arm we saw in the pilot. If the pieces of debris had no power, then how could they have remained in a low orbit for ten thousand years let alone stay clustered.

Posted by: blackbelt83 Feb 3rd 2006, 5:08 PM

I liked this ep. it was cool but rodney is smart I cant belive he thinks he could make something work the ancients couldent get to work. I did like the dpart at the end where wier was yelling at him about blowing up part of the soar sys.

Posted by: Lancelot Feb 18th 2006, 1:02 PM

NEW THERMODYNAMICS OF THE WEEK: If the region of subspace used by the ZPMs is artificial, then where did the energy come from to create it? We're drifting dangerously close to the perpetual motion machine, people.



Actully the zpms use an artificial region of subspace from an alternate universe. mckay said that the reason
that the arturo's project's reactor was so powerful was because it came from or own universe not from another which ment that as a result of taking this energy new types of unstable molecules were created

Posted by: Dafmeister Feb 18th 2006, 1:16 PM

They said that a ZPM draws power from an artificially created region of subspace, nothing was ever said about the region of subspace being from an alternate reality.

Posted by: Lancelot Feb 19th 2006, 1:12 PM

I didn't say alternate reality i said universe subtle difference a different reality has the same laws of physics as or own but another universe may exist with different laws(sorry to sound like a total factoter)

Posted by: thefirstone Aug 8th 2006, 9:38 AM

Anyone notice the camera when they went into the corridor after the scientist was hit by the radiation?

Posted by: cdpage Aug 14th 2006, 8:50 PM

I did notice that, but i figured that that would be theirs... a few seconds before that shot you can see the video feed of the corridor...

question is... then how did the vedio feed work if the door was shut... was the a window?



Well that gun would be nice there would be no real good use for it. Its power is realy only that it can fire Extremly powerful shots rapidly. in order for us to take any advantage of such a weapon we would require huge supply of ZPMs.

What technology that would be great if acuired would be the contaiment technology..

consider controling naqahdah, then naqahdriah...should they come across something more unstable... this may be useful.

EP 7/10

graphics 10/10


peve...shouldn't have had the bodies in there for 10,000 yrs... they didn't serve any purpose to the story, we wouldn't have missed them. If the writers felt something like this sould be used... then fine, come up with something to back it up... perhaps they weren't there when it happened...they(who ever 'they' are) came after to try and do the same thing. at least that would have made for something no only tangable, but would leave us something to think about....ie other explorers?

Posted by: Mr Smiley Feb 23rd 2007, 11:06 PM

Good ep, one thing bugged me though, when it went boom it was rather small. In s8 cater says that the tainted ZPM could have taken out our solar system.
So why did it make such a small boom?

Posted by: Revan Feb 23rd 2007, 11:30 PM

It took out 5/6 of that solar system... how is that a small boom?

Posted by: Rooster Feb 25th 2007, 10:21 PM

It was pretty big, depends on the size of the different solar systems for comparison?

Posted by: Mr Smiley Feb 26th 2007, 12:03 AM

All right, it was a big boom, but Rodney says that it makes a ZPM look like an alkaline battery. So something that powerful would make a really big boom, much more than something 30 times less powerful than it.

Posted by: Invisible Painting Feb 26th 2007, 2:11 AM

We didn't see the extent of the explosion really...it cut off fairly quickly. Odds are they didn't even know the final size, I doubt they'd send daedalus to go near and check lol. But we don't know, so it's hard to say anything.