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Arcady	Aug 13th 2005, 12:11 AM Post #1
Base Commander Group: Admin Posts: 4,886 Joined: November 26th 2002 From: Dallas, Texas USA Member No.: 1 Gender: Male	Season 2, Episode 6 - Trinity Air Dates - US: August 19 2005, Canada: August 22 2005 McKay puts the team at risk when he tries to perfect unfinished Ancient technology that wiped out a civilization. Ronan Dex discovers that a small number of his people survived the Wraith attack, including his former military trainer. Episode Guide \| Spoilers \| Teaser (This topic is for people who have seen the episode to discuss it. If you don't want to be spoiled, don't read this topic.)

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tony2loco	Aug 19th 2005, 9:01 PM Post #2
Airman Basic Group: Members Posts: 34 Joined: August 14th 2005 From: The lovely Valdosta State University Member No.: 9,858 Gender: Male	[SIZE=7]Wow, the Daedelus save the day..........again.

Auntie Em!	Aug 19th 2005, 9:04 PM Post #3
Sipping on fine wine! Group: Donating Members Posts: 5,918 Joined: March 22nd 2005 From: Northwestern Ontario, Canada Member No.: 8,565 Gender: Female	No, this is for episode discussion. Please tell us what you liked or didn't like about it. I am waiting on baited breath.

tony2loco	Aug 19th 2005, 9:16 PM Post #4
Airman Basic Group: Members Posts: 34 Joined: August 14th 2005 From: The lovely Valdosta State University Member No.: 9,858 Gender: Male	oh ok, well i apologize then. Well i cant say i didnt like the episode, what kind of fan would i be. I enjoyed seeing the Daedelus again, I hope that later there is some episode entirely dedicated to it alone. McKay destroyed a big chunk of an unihabited solar system, boo hoo, and got chewed out. I loved hearing him get chewed out, i would pay to see his face then. Tayla and Ronin's story line was good, we got to his another side of him, and he is still violent. The weapon storyline is forgetable though, the Tayla and Ronin part was my favorite part of the episode though.

tajmahal	Aug 19th 2005, 9:51 PM Post #5
Airman Group: Members Posts: 36 Joined: August 14th 2005 From: Kent, Ohio, USA Member No.: 9,863 Gender: Male	I agree, the storyline of this episode was borderline forgetable. The main plotline of Atlantis is in the same spot that it was before the episode. For me, what saved it was the character development (and, of course, the cool shots of Daedelus). We see a new side of Rodney's egotism; he was so caught up in everything that he couldn't see the huge risk he posed to the people he cared about. I think that shows that he's a veritable "mad scientist" and maybe that he might go too far in one of these escapades in the future. Although Dex's actions weren't that uncharacteristic, it was still pretty cool/suprising to see him cap his trainer. It was also pretty funny to see him having fun for a change when he got drunk. I thought the bigger development was with Teyla. We see see a rougher side of her that I kind of liked. She was pretty hardcore when she said that she'd act the same as Ronan, suggesting her innate aggression. Plus, she distanced herself from the more altruistic thinking of others through her warning to Dex, further affirming her background as a warrior.

Erised	Aug 19th 2005, 10:49 PM Post #6
Technical Sergeant Group: Members Posts: 253 Joined: June 8th 2005 From: ask :) Member No.: 9,232 Gender: Female	Nice! McKay is too confident! Did he really think that he is smarter than ancients? Ha! Maybe us, people, can defeat our enemies by tricking them or with some stupid ideas, but we are not smarter than the ancients!

stargate_addict	Aug 19th 2005, 11:31 PM Post #7
Second Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 604 Joined: December 9th 2004 From: Georgetown Texas Member No.: 7,195 Gender: Male	This episode was NICE, on every level, the special effects were magnifficent and i loved how Mackays conffidence was shakken by his failure, and how he appologised to every one. SGA is so much better this season.

tony2loco	Aug 19th 2005, 11:38 PM Post #8
Airman Basic Group: Members Posts: 34 Joined: August 14th 2005 From: The lovely Valdosta State University Member No.: 9,858 Gender: Male	This was the first time I ever heard McKay apolagize, with any deep regret at least. or is it the first time he has apolagized ever?

usmctech99	Aug 20th 2005, 3:46 AM Post #9
SILENCE!!!! I Kill you! Group: Donating Members Posts: 282 Joined: July 29th 2005 From: Lakewood, Colorado Member No.: 9,693 Gender: Male	QUOTE(tony2loco @ Aug 19th 2005, 10:38 PM) This was the first time I ever heard McKay apolagize, with any deep regret at least. or is it the first time he has apolagized ever? He apologized to Carter in Redemption Part 2, after his EMP failed to shutdown the ancient weapon destroying their gate and electrocuted her. I really liked how Weir layed into him about destroying 3/4 of the system, and Ronan's reaction after coming through the gate and hearing her dressing him down was priceless. I also liked how McKay failed... he's, finally, no longer invincible when it comes to Ancient Tech, and he had to acknowledge that Zalenka was right.

Atlantians	Aug 20th 2005, 5:17 AM Post #10
First Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 795 Joined: March 7th 2005 Member No.: 8,349 Gender: Male	I liked how they toyed with the Idea that the Ancients were wrong, but then Rodney turned out to be Wrong, reafirming the Ancients. What I did not like was two things: The Daedalus' shields withstood several direct hits from the Ancient Weapon without any damage, even though it destroyed a Wraith fleet. And second: The Ancient weapons energy blasts were waaay to slow.

JamesyBHOY	Aug 20th 2005, 6:39 AM Post #11
First Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 699 Joined: March 9th 2005 From: Glasgow, Scotland Member No.: 8,385 Gender: Male	That power source would have been sweet! Pity it had to go up in a gigantic bang. The reason that it was able to take direct shots was that it had very powerful Asgard shielding. Whereas the Wraith ships do not have any, so are far more suceptible to damage. Not to mention the last time it was used the Ancients had been in control of the thing, so any shots would have been more directly targeted towards the enemy ships. Yet in 'Trinity' it was firing blindly & at non specific targeting locations. It would have been cool if they could have salavaged the cannons at the top of the facility, then integrated them into Atlantis or Daedalus. Although that would have made things a little too easy.

Cha'Lok	Aug 20th 2005, 8:01 AM Post #12
Airman First Class Group: Members Posts: 65 Joined: July 27th 2005 From: The Netherlands (Holland) Member No.: 9,678 Gender: Male	Pretty good episode. Would be kinda cool if they recreated the reactor but on a much smaller scale and use it as a nuke

altura	Aug 20th 2005, 11:20 AM Post #13
Civilian Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: August 14th 2005 Member No.: 9,862 Gender: Female	QUOTE(tajmahal @ Aug 19th 2005, 9:51 PM) I agree, the storyline of this episode was borderline forgetable. The main plotline of Atlantis is in the same spot that it was before the episode. For me, what saved it was the character development (and, of course, the cool shots of Daedelus). We see a new side of Rodney's egotism; he was so caught up in everything that he couldn't see the huge risk he posed to the people he cared about. I think that shows that he's a veritable "mad scientist" and maybe that he might go too far in one of these escapades in the future. Although Dex's actions weren't that uncharacteristic, it was still pretty cool/suprising to see him cap his trainer. It was also pretty funny to see him having fun for a change when he got drunk. I thought the bigger development was with Teyla. We see see a rougher side of her that I kind of liked. She was pretty hardcore when she said that she'd act the same as Ronan, suggesting her innate aggression. Plus, she distanced herself from the more altruistic thinking of others through her warning to Dex, further affirming her background as a warrior. Well, yeah, Dex is way cute, but still think it was cowardly the way he shot the former commander with no warning. Not very warrior hero-ish, was it? Likin' Teyla better. She's tough without being obnoxious. Smelling romance blooming there. They were way too indulgent with McKay. This was no, oops, I spilled the coffee. My bad. He destroyed some serious stuff. I adore McKay, but they should know by now, he's inclined to overestimate himself and get carried away. There should be people there to stop him. the lady tried, but, as usual got overruled.

mithwriter	Aug 20th 2005, 12:33 PM Post #14
Major General Group: Members Posts: 2,438 Joined: February 26th 2003 Member No.: 885 Gender: Female	Okay, either I'm getting good at this, or the storywriters are getting lazy. Did NO one else figure out the moment they saw the weapon that it was the reason for the city's destruction? Ascension anyone? "Ooh, look the surrounding area was destroyed but this nice peice of tech survived. Yeah for us!" It's interesting to note that the show can be self-referential when it wants to be (see Intruder), but then have no idea about past Stargate missions in other ones. How convenient. I liked the story with Teyla and Ronin....and yeah, I posted somewhere before this ep that I thought these two would make a good hook-up. It makes much more sense than Sheppard-Teyla or anything like that. Did NOT see the shooting coming, that was good. Now about the Rodney story...I know he's got the superior intellect and all that, but I just think it would've been nice if Zelenka had been the one who could figure this out and Rodney was the one left on the outside for whatever reason. It's just been so established already that Rodney is the super-geek and Zalenka is 2nd banana. Think of how different the story would've been if Zalenka was running it, and then argues with Rodney becuase he thinks Rodney doesn't consider him an equal, and then... ...well, I'm just saying, that's all. I mean, it was good and all...

bigjohn_1972	Aug 20th 2005, 1:00 PM Post #15
Brigadier General Group: Members Posts: 2,227 Joined: January 4th 2004 From: Ontario Canada Member No.: 3,135 Gender: Male	I thought this ep was OK, nothing spectacular but good. What I found interesting was that the weapon that destroyed a wraith fleet did not immediately ruin the Daedalus. So that would lead me to believe that the wraith shields, if they have any, are far inferior to the Asgard, even if they Asgard shields are underpowered. I know I wasn't the only one here wondering about that. I can see Teyla and Ronin being a hot couple too

Ghostdraconi	Aug 20th 2005, 3:34 PM Post #16
Civilian Group: Members Posts: 18 Joined: November 16th 2004 Member No.: 6,964 Gender: Male	QUOTE(mithwriter @ Aug 20th 2005, 12:33 PM) Okay, either I'm getting good at this, or the storywriters are getting lazy. Did NO one else figure out the moment they saw the weapon that it was the reason for the city's destruction? Ascension anyone? "Ooh, look the surrounding area was destroyed but this nice peice of tech survived. Yeah for us!" It's interesting to note that the show can be self-referential when it wants to be (see Intruder), but then have no idea about past Stargate missions in other ones. How convenient.? I liked the story with Teyla and Ronin....and yeah, I posted somewhere before this ep that I thought these two would make a good hook-up. It makes much more sense than Sheppard-Teyla or anything like that. Did NOT see the shooting coming, that was good. Now about the Rodney story...I know he's got the superior intellect and all that, but I just think it would've been nice if Zelenka had been the one who could figure this out and Rodney was the one left on the outside for whatever reason. It's just been so established already that Rodney is the super-geek and Zalenka is 2nd banana. Think of how different the story would've been if Zalenka was running it, and then argues with Rodney becuase he thinks Rodney doesn't consider him an equal, and then... ...well, I'm just saying, that's all. I mean, it was good and all... That wouldn't work, mainly because Zalenka isn't the type of person to rush into thinks without careful consideration. Besides it would justbe a show about Rodney being right rather than show the more reckless side of his personality. This post has been edited by Ghostdraconi: Aug 20th 2005, 3:34 PM

seymour	Aug 20th 2005, 3:37 PM Post #17
Technical Sergeant Group: Members Posts: 233 Joined: February 2nd 2004 Member No.: 3,394 Gender: Male	QUOTE(mithwriter @ Aug 20th 2005, 12:33 PM) Okay, either I'm getting good at this, or the storywriters are getting lazy. Did NO one else figure out the moment they saw the weapon that it was the reason for the city's destruction? Ascension anyone? "Ooh, look the surrounding area was destroyed but this nice peice of tech survived. Yeah for us!" It's interesting to note that the show can be self-referential when it wants to be (see Intruder), but then have no idea about past Stargate missions in other ones. How convenient. ...... Yes, I totally agree with you. I also wonder why Dr. Weir and Col. "ex-X-Files" were so stupid gving McKay permission to risk tearing the Galaxy apart when McKay was behaving to such a deranged fashion right after the first test fiasco. Not very convincing. They're the ones to blame, especially Weir (as she keeps reminding everyone) she's in charge. BTW, I have real trouble hearing and understanding Ronin...anyone else find that he swallows his words?

Aquila	Aug 20th 2005, 3:38 PM Post #18
First Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 703 Joined: April 13th 2004 From: Cultivating American Beech and Chestnut trees Member No.: 4,810 Gender: Male	The Wraith do indeed have shields as was seen in the First episode this season when the Daedalus was firing upon them. The episode really had some character development going on. I felt really bad for all those Ancients, not to mention the whole planet. It would have been nice to have gotten some big power source under harness though. That way, the team wouldn't have to worry about a siege and would concentrate more on exploration and cultivation of Ancient things, not to mention the elimination of the Wraith. Aquila the Ancient This post has been edited by Aquila: Aug 20th 2005, 3:40 PM

Sony	Aug 20th 2005, 3:52 PM Post #19
Civilian Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: August 20th 2005 From: europe Member No.: 9,919 Gender: Male	Ronin overall is a pretty bad actor. not even close to the others and their effort and talent that they put in their roles. They all more or less seem natural even the fitness chick and Ronin, well, he is not convincing as the bad ass hes supposed to be. Perhaps he needs more time to get into the role but the problem with roles is also that you need to tailor it to your needs. the mimic, gestures, talk patterns, eyes, a gazzilion things. hes not doing it. hes just stiff. and not stiff like a bad ass Soprano or Sly in his movies , hes too much of a void, doesnt make the role. we'll see how it developes. And about the story. he CANNOT just shoot a guy. I mean he can but we, the audience, need some sort of a background, at least a few minutes, so that it feels a bit justified. He couldve mentioned something in the previous episodes, nothin particular , just something about a son-of-a-bi*ch who did this and that etc..A few words just dont do it. It was just cold racionalisation. looked cool felt lame. Yea the "only the outpost survived" was sort of a pretty dead giveaway. I for once, after all that talking about that super mega weapon expected something a little more that a tiny blaster on the roof. altantis is still very sweet tho. exciting like the first seasons of sg1.

bigjohn_1972	Aug 20th 2005, 4:57 PM Post #20
Brigadier General Group: Members Posts: 2,227 Joined: January 4th 2004 From: Ontario Canada Member No.: 3,135 Gender: Male	But Ronin is playing a baby faced bad ass, and they do exist. I think he does a good job of it. And Aquila, if the wraith do have shields, they blow donkey dick (pardon the euphemism )

X303kicksass	Aug 20th 2005, 5:40 PM Post #21
First Lieutenant Group: Members Posts: 677 Joined: April 18th 2004 Member No.: 4,856 Gender: Male	The Wraith didn't have shields in Siege III, as the nukes were being suicided/shot down by Darts, not running into shields. Although they do seem to be able to create beam-jamming fields. Actual shields have only been shown in Defiant one, though that itself is controversial as to rather the jumper, or the Wraith, had it.

tajmahal	Aug 20th 2005, 6:03 PM Post #22
Airman Group: Members Posts: 36 Joined: August 14th 2005 From: Kent, Ohio, USA Member No.: 9,863 Gender: Male	yah, i just watched seige p3 again and there were definetely no shields on the hive ship. Also, think about how shepard flew the jumper into the fighter bay on the hive ship. One would think that he wouldn't be able to get that close if there was a shield around the hive ship.

IndyJan	Aug 20th 2005, 6:27 PM Post #23
Lieutenant General Group: Donating Members Posts: 5,314 Joined: July 17th 2004 Member No.: 5,622 Gender: Female	This episode was okay, not good, but okay. I did like the Teyla/Ronon storyline though. I thought it was great that Ronon found out that there are 300 survivors of his world. he was not alone. The last scene with Teyla when she took him to his room, was a good scene. Ronon got emotional, not a lot, just enough. I have no problem understandin the actor, and I usually do have problems. It's why I watch in closed caption, but I can understand him just fine. Once again, can I say that McKay is an idiot! I'm getting real tired of his, holierthanthou mentality. He's the only one that can be right, no one else. He is constantly putting others down, which I really wish Weir would give him a slap upside the head for. Not only does he put others down, namely Zelenka, but he doesn't even question anything about the danger for others. He just does not care in anyway. Why would he have them turn something on when he had just sent Collins into that corridor to manually do something? McKay totally forgot about him. It's always about McKay. I'll win a Nobel Prize. I'm really beginning to dislike McKay.

SomeEvilGuy	Aug 20th 2005, 7:43 PM Post #24
Airman Basic Group: Members Posts: 29 Joined: August 20th 2005 Member No.: 9,924 Gender: Male	When I first saw the big space graveyard, I thought we mite be in for them finding some sort of semi-wreaked Ancient Battleship (come on, ya know u want them to find one! ) A good story tho, shame they yet again get nothing out of it though.

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