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Posted by: Arcady Jan 19th 2006, 6:59 PM

Season 2, Episode 19 - Inferno

Air Dates:
CA: Jan. 23, 8 PM (TMN)
US: Mar. 3, 9 PM (Sci Fi Channel)
UK: Mar. 8, 8 PM (Sky One)

Dr. McKay must save the team when they are caught on a planet with a super-volcano and there is no visible way out.

http://www.sg1archive.com/atlantis/s2.shtml#219 | http://www.sg1archive.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=13479 | http://www.sg1archive.com/teasers/a219.html

(This topic is for people who have seen the episode to discuss it. If you don't want to be spoiled, don't read this topic.)

Posted by: Radagast Jan 23rd 2006, 8:50 PM

Cool! Aurora class ship yay!

Why was McKay upset about the name "Orion" though?

Nice volcano effects from space too...

Posted by: Atlantians Jan 23rd 2006, 11:48 PM

What does it look like?! Did we keep it?! Was it all beat up like Aurora?!

Is it actually called a Warship in the episode?

Posted by: ray243 Jan 24th 2006, 3:56 AM

From Spoilers...Yes I was RIGHT!

Posted by: Aussie_Bloke Jan 24th 2006, 5:58 AM

OMG!!!!!

I have been saying that we would be getting another Daedalus class ship called the Orion for the Pegasus galaxy to help the Big D....turns out it was an Aurora class!!!!!!!!!!


Woooo Hoooo!!!

So is there any drones?
Beam Weapons?
What kind of Hyperdrive? Can it go to Earth like the Daedalus?
Shields? As good as the Daedalus's

Posted by: Radagast Jan 24th 2006, 7:46 AM

We didn't actually get to see it fight... but it looks mostly intact - at least the hull, although it was damaged.

Anyone else notice it bears a slight resemblence to the D?

Also that its shields are formfitting rather than egg-shaped? (Have we seen any other Ancient shields that are like this? I think the rest are egg shaped)

Posted by: graba Jan 24th 2006, 7:49 AM

i think that the Shields are much better then the Daedalus have cus the chip is alteriance chip as we know there technology is far from our's


now that was just gr8 episode chip looked gr8 and gr8 effects on it to and they didnt get to keep that chip they get to use it only but that is good to

i hope u guys understand what i like to tell cus my eng is not that good

Posted by: alterantian Jan 24th 2006, 10:18 AM

WOW This was the best episode ever since Siege 3. Although the next episode Allies will be left with a cliff hanger, Inferno rules.

The chief scientist girl was definetly playboy model hot, whew.

The introduction to the Ancient warship was superb, it was awesome.

Aurora class ship originally called "hippopatum something" an ancient general, was renamed orion by Shepherd. It was full of drones which were taken back to atlantis chair. It only had sublight engines damaged. I loved the bridge when it was powered up, all the gizmos were totally high tech.

McKay's solution to get it up in the orbit was genius, considering how Shepherd teased Mckay, hehe. The directors has done a super awesome visual effects to do this.

I was really moved by this episode and can't wait to see it again.

Posted by: Radagast Jan 24th 2006, 12:04 PM

Hopefully we'll get to see the Orion in action in the next episode.

It's hard to find anything wrong at all with this episode. McKay's ego seems to be mostly back even after being reminded about blowing up planets etc.

The only thing I can think of is that if the Chancellor was so untrusting it's interesting that he was the first one through the stargate and he didn't leave anyone specifically behind to watch the other Atlantis ppl. In fact I recall absolutely no security forces at all helping with the evacuations? Somehow Tayla and Ronan were in charge. Very odd.

Posted by: haikon Jan 24th 2006, 1:11 PM

Hell yeaaaaah. This was a great episode. They finally have an ancient battle ship. Can't wait to see what it can do. It can probably take out 4,5 wraith ships. Plus they have the dedalus and the drones. It will be one hell of a fight.

The comedy rocked.
1.) Shepard: The lead scientist is very....
Weir: Hot?
Shepard: I was gonna say attractive.

Shepard: But Mckay is acting very....
Weir: Smitten ?
Shepard: I was gonna say pathetic.

2.) Hot scientist chick: What were you doing ?
McKay: That was a standard military procedure. In case of an earthquake one hides (well stands)
in a doorway and checks the structaral integrity of the building for the sake of the civilians .

3.) McKay: I' ve discovered the ship's name. It's the Hipofaralkus.
Shepard: The what? ( reminds me of Jack and how he never could pronounce difficult names and
always simlified them)

Shepard: And were not calling it the Enterprise.


Really the whole McKay and Shepard thing was awsome.

Posted by: Gotanks Jan 24th 2006, 1:24 PM

Lucky bastards, in The Netherlands they haven't even start airing Atlantis. They're busy with Season 5 or 6 now :/

Posted by: Spad Jan 24th 2006, 1:52 PM

http://www.andromedatv.com/about/cast_ledford.html - She was Doyle in the endlessly confusing Series 5 of Andromeda. She was also apparently in the SG-1 episode "Endgame".

Posted by: Sibylle Jan 24th 2006, 4:25 PM

haha, ja daarom hebben we internet he, ik heb die seizoenen nu wel gezien, elke dag kijken is niet meer leuk op tv. Dus elke week SGA en SG-1 downloaden 1 dag na de uitzending in Canada

Aah, well i think most of the people here don't read dutch as wel as i do, so:

It was a good episode, 2 bad though we didn't got a better look at the Orion, what i'm curious about:

Are there teleporters on board (we haven't seen any ancient teleporters in atlantis, but we know they made the Goa'uld rings and some sort of fixed transporters in the City Atlantis. (but no Asgard like).

How good are the shields....

Does it have any huge powersource it can use.

And most important: Does it have any weapons other than the drones we could use on earth for our fight with the Ori en stuff.....

Posted by: Prof. Victor Bergman Jan 24th 2006, 5:02 PM

I thought this was a pretty Damn good episode.
Just wanted to add to the discussion.



Brandy Ledford was in SG-1s s8x10 Endgame as the Tok'ra operative Zarin






Kevin McNulty was also in SG-1
He played Dr. Warner in s1x3 The Enemy Within, s1x15 Singularity,
s2x13 Spirits and s3x4 Legacy

Im beginning to think that the Pegasus galaxy is filled with clones..........

Posted by: Raxor Jan 24th 2006, 6:14 PM

a google image search (with safesearch off) reveals some rather... nice pictures

http://"http://images.google.com/images?q=Brandy%20Ledford&svnum;=100&hl;=en&lr;=&safe;=off&rls;=GGLD,GGLD:2004-22,GGLD:en&sa;=N&tab;=wi

Awesome episode, earns a **** from me mainly because it added some good humour and advanced the plot and we found something good out at the end

Posted by: Atlantians Jan 24th 2006, 7:39 PM

Thats an extremely darogatory way to describe a girl.


Anyway: Did they take the Drones to Atlantis?
Do we know it was a warship? Was it actually called an "Ancient Warship"?
Also: What does it look like in comparison to the Aurora? All burnt or nice and shiny?

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jan 24th 2006, 7:40 PM

Sibvlle talking about DL is going to get Arcady in sh*t even if it is in another language.

This was a very good episode from start almost to the end. The last scene was......just wrong. So if say Germany helped out the USA in a time of great need would the USA just give over to Germany one of its brandspankin new Aircraft Carriers? I think not!

Weir: "They are lending us the Orion for the time being for us helping them out"

OH PLEASE! How fu**ing stupid do they think we are.

Other than that, a outstanding episode! Great comedy in it and a woman is ACTUALLY in love with McKay instead of Shep! About time. Especially since McKay is way hotter in the first place!

Posted by: Atlantians Jan 24th 2006, 7:47 PM

That was the Diplomatic way of saying: We wrenched it from their hands as reward for saving there rear-ends.

Anyway: Someone post an image of the Orion!

Posted by: mcheu Jan 24th 2006, 7:56 PM

Just because the ship is an Altairan design doesn't mean the ship has necessarily better shields than the Daedalus. Remember, that while the ship's sublight engines and weapons are Earth design and less advanced, the shields are Asgard design. The Asgard and Altairans were established as being a part of an interstellar alliance over in SG1. If they were that far behind the Altairans in technology, they wouldn't have even had a seat at the table. Further, the Asgard have had thousands of years to improve their technology, and the Altairans have all but abandoned this plain of existance in that time, leaving their toys to rot. That means the Asgard are at least on par with the Altairan artifacts in technology and power.

Assuming the Orion can be made fully operational, weapons would probably outclass the Daedalus, but the shields aren't necessarily more durable than those on the Daedalus. For sure, it's been established that the Daedalus' hyperdrive is more powerful than the ones on the Aurora/Orion class ships, and the Aurora/Orion ships aren't the top of the line in the fleet. Both were established in the 'Aurora' episode.

Posted by: Atlantians Jan 24th 2006, 8:10 PM

The Ancients have had shield technology for over 5 million years before the Asgard even had decent hyperspace technology. The Ancients were travelling between Galaxies over 50 million years before the Asgard even could fly a distance in space.

I think that gives the Ancients a very very far head start.
And your logic is biased and rather bad. The Asgard were using sleeper ships to travel long distances only 30,000 years ago.
The Ancients were flying a city(with powerful shields) between galaxies: 3,000,000 years ago.

Furthermore: Atlantis' shields could hold against the Wraith untill their power ran out.
The Asgard shields on the Daedalus started failing within minutes of contact with the Wraith, and that was only a lite attack by the Wraith using 2-3 Huve ships and a few cruisers.
The attack on Atlantis consisted of 10 Hive ships and an unknown amount of cruisers at full bombardment.


See the difference?

Also:
How did Graba and Haikon get so many emoticons in their posts?

Posted by: alterantian Jan 24th 2006, 8:31 PM

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jan 24th 2006, 8:39 PM

Arcady likes them better?

PS Atlantian yours had four in it. That is more.

Posted by: dr_n_tesla Jan 24th 2006, 8:50 PM

I don't think we're gonna escape the naming of ships after Greek Mythology.

Something stupid... Aurora class ship can hold as many drones if not more than Atlantis, so as to replenish its weapons supply.

Alteran shield/cloak emitters have both the ability to envelope the object closely or as a bubble. Atlantis underwater was the first example of this, followed by the Puddle Jumper in The Defiant One and Grace Under Pressure.

All up I thought this was a decent story for the lead up to the season cliffy.
Can't wait to see the rest of the Orion's toys.

Posted by: Radagast Jan 24th 2006, 10:29 PM

Actually they specifically said in I think Siege 3 that the D's shields would not last long *because* they no longer had the ZPM - in other words their power is drained rather than them collapsing.

Posted by: ha'tak Jan 24th 2006, 10:46 PM

that was one fine episode there

the idea of the explosion sending them out was a good idea [made me think of Bat Out of Hell]
plus we got a nice new toy to play around with

also if they dont fix the sublight engines and the power systems of the Orion how will they get it to Atlantis seeing that the Daedalus dosent have Asgard towing capablilites....... I dont think

Posted by: ziostilon Jan 24th 2006, 11:21 PM

damn those are really nice and interesting pics

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Jan 24th 2006, 11:31 PM

This episode was pretty damn good if I may say so. Finally, they are letting other people write for this show ... and it's GOOD! You go new guy (can't remember his name right now ...)

This episodes was entertaining, new, exciting, AND had a huge friggen spaceship. YES!

The only thing I can think of that would go against this episode: Sheppard didn't seem too concerned with Ronin and Teyla after they heard about Mackay's plan. A little "well, I hope they made it somewhere safe. We can't wait for them or we will jeopardize all these people" would have been nice. Overall, 9/10. I'm looking forward to the finale, although it appears to have come waaay too fast for my liking

Actually, it was replenished in the episode "the Tower". While not completely, I'm sure that the Orion was only needed to top off Atlantis's supply. They got around all this technicality stuff, and hence avoiding having to compare the storage size of the Orion and Atlantis, by saying "... and now with a full supply of drones ..."

Posted by: Atlantians Jan 24th 2006, 11:41 PM

Very close but one crucial point: They said it would not last as long. So maybe double it. Or triple it.
The Alteran shields would still be way more effective.


Also: I was hoping the Ship would be sleek and shiny... it resembles a Corellian Corvette CR90.

Here:


Also note: That ship was pretty dang small. Far smaller the Daedalus. Its bridge was just plain huge from the outside.

I was expecting a shiny big beautiful Atlantis style ship.

At least it is Ancient though and a ship.


Also: I still want to know if it is a "Warship" or simply "a ship".

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Jan 24th 2006, 11:50 PM

Atlantians, do you actually watch these episodes? You constantly post in these threads before watching the episode ... basically saying you can't wait to see the episode (in more words, but the same message nonetheless).

Posted by: Atlantians Jan 25th 2006, 12:07 AM

Friend lets me see them.
No further comment on the subject.

I am on 217 - Coup D'Etat as of this moment.

By next week I will just have seen Inferno hopefully.

But then I watch em again when they come on Sci-Fi.

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Jan 25th 2006, 12:32 AM

Then feel free to come back once you have seen the episode for yourself. I am aware that I am no mod, and can in no way force you to do so. However, I am pointing out to you that you add nothing to this discussion by asking what has happened, weeks in advance of you seeing the episode in question.

Posted by: bigjohn_1972 Jan 25th 2006, 1:49 AM

Oh I'm sorry Atlantians, how about:

She is Mother Theresa hot! ?

Naw, she was Hustler hot!! lol

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jan 25th 2006, 2:02 AM

Atlantian unpucker your testies and relax abit. Nothing wrong in enjoying a beautiful woman and saying she is HOT!

Its like us girls enjoying a well endowed man with his huge package nicely tucked to the right!

Posted by: Man Jan 25th 2006, 3:15 AM

Ok first I must say this episode rocked, finally we find a planet with some thing cool and it doesn't get blown up YAY!!!

These people that we meet in this episode seemed very friendly and were very upfront about their lack of knowledge on Ancient Tech (maybe Rodey can learn something from them after all, it would stop him blowiwng up entire solar systems if he could). I believe that while the Chancellor was suspicious of our intentions it was clear to him that his peoples lives were at huge risk and also clear that the volcano was about to erupt. There was no time for organising security forces (noting that they seemed unaware of the dangers of the volcano and also how to deal with the situation they were in. They called us for help, they were desperate (although it was only because of their shield origonally.)) Also their top scientist (you know the really hot one) strongly agreed to listen to us Earthlings.

Thankfully these people don't seem like they have a huge military presence (if any), so the Chancellor again thankfully does not think like some one like the Genii. He seems very concerned about protecting his people but not fighting against the wraith/us a nice change.

I am glad the writers did not spend time in the episode creating another Genii type race, really the Genii are enough.

However can anyone remember exactly what Mckay said about Ancient shields? From what I recall, Mckay said that Ancient shields are not designed to be constantly running at full capacity, however in previous episodes we learned that the Atlantis shield could be sustained almost indefiently as long as it is not being strained from something like a wraith attack, or holding back water (however it did that for many thousands of years). So these shields that protect building like stuctures seem to automaticlly change in strength depending on the load. Why would this shield be diffenent and need manual adjusting to a specified power setting?
Also what type of shilds does this auroa class ship have? Is it equivilent to the powerfull Atlantis shield?

Oh and Mckay shows his inability to act normally infront of a girl again, and Shepard showed strong signs of wanting to take the girl instead (I don't blame him) but... why can't he atleast go for someone from Earth and not pick some chick from every planet he visits, he must have atleast 10 chicks after him now.

Radagast, the Atlantis shield can also be form fitting as it was when the city was under water, perhapps as their was limited power to the shield, and Mckay wanted to make it last as long as possible it reverted to be form fitting instead in egg shaped.

alterantian, I do not believe the drones were taken to the Atlantis chair, we got plenty for the chair from the atlantis clone in 'The Tower' (don't get me started on that ep, it completly degraded the uniqueness of the Atlantis city). The ship is planned to be repaired (Mckay said he could fix the sublight engines), so I think it is going to need its drones for the fight against the wraith.

Oh engines, that gets me to another thing, hyperspace window generators.... I thought it was not considered a good thing to activate a window in the atmosphere of a planet and thats why they go to orbit before going into hyperpace. Also I also thought a couple of seconds in hyperspace would send you far out into space (remember the FC-302 which took an active stargate through hyperspace for a couple of seconds and it travelled way outside the solar system at the very least) I was expecting the Orion to be stranded in the middle of nowhere and to be left with a cliff hanger or something a little dissapointed at the neat tidy up of the episode.

When I see the episode again I will probably have more to comment on, but I am anxiously awaiting 'Allies' which has to be brillient.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jan 25th 2006, 3:38 AM

Eu nice nitpick on the shield generators Man. I do believe that you are absolutely correct on that matter.

Also nice nitpick on the hyperspace window again you are quite correct. The Orian should have been at least 1 million miles from the planet when the window closed. It was ridiculous that it nicely popped up right beside the Big D.

Posted by: Sibylle Jan 25th 2006, 3:50 AM

aaah, well who cares.....mayb it stopped because McKay wanted to stay in Orbit, like he said earlier....without the engines is would be foolish to go float in space....



What i was wondering about....why didn't they tried to bring the shield generator with them? It would surely come in handy for earth or for some ship.....

Posted by: Raxor Jan 25th 2006, 4:57 AM

i bet they just did the hyperspace window like they did in the episode fail safe when they went through the earth, thats why they didnt appear so far

plus i like the asguard being rather funny these days

Posted by: Cha'Lok Jan 25th 2006, 5:04 AM

That's not really a good comparison, the people from the volcano (forgot their name) have not a clue how to operate ancient tech. They just push buttons and see what happens! I think it's perfectly reasonable to lend it to Atlantis because they will put it to good use.

Posted by: Sibylle Jan 25th 2006, 5:18 AM

btw, the shields were not made to last very long AT FULL STRENGTH! And the safety failure was overwritten.......


Remeber the problem was not the shielding, but the immense power requird!!! just like Atlantis' shield could only very long against the wraith attack.

So i think the really problem is that the shields from the ancients are made for maximum protection, but require huge ammounts of energy, ans thus are not designed for long duration (for it would consume 2 much energy), this shield was however forced to do so......

I don't see any mistakes.

Posted by: Ghostdraconi Jan 25th 2006, 5:35 AM

They weren't in Hyperspace for even a second. All MaCay said was that the shields would last about 4 secs after the eruption, during which they could open an Hyperspace window.

Posted by: Carter-Hot Jan 25th 2006, 5:58 AM

Love this episode!

This episode is a good scifi-disaster and it was entertaining. It had everything! - Hot lead scientist, pressure, super-volcano, mistrust that leads to trust.

9/10!!

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Jan 25th 2006, 7:16 AM

re: shield generator. Mackay said it could only be sustained indefinately when using a ZPM. We don't know what the effect of poweriing the shield with geothermal energy from a dormant volcano would do. (I have no idea what the difference in power is, so don't ask)

re: hyperspace window in the atmosphere. I believe they don't activate them inside the atmosphere because it causes something to become unstable. but when you're riding the wave of an active volcano that's going to kill off the entire planet anyways ... I somehow don't think they cared. Also, Mackay could have programmed the window to last only long enough to put them in orbit. We know it can be activated for small jumps (see 'Fail Safe' and the one with the eye of Ra).

Posted by: gravatate Jan 25th 2006, 8:45 AM

this episode is wanna of the better episodes

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Jan 25th 2006, 8:50 AM

Care to elaborate?

Posted by: ray243 Jan 25th 2006, 9:36 AM

strange, in aurora, the class of ship is suppose to be big...yet it seemed so small from the pics...

Posted by: snoop1050 Jan 25th 2006, 9:46 AM

http://www.snoop1050.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/orion.jpg

looks bigger now?

edit: captured another pic
http://www.snoop1050.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/orion2.jpg

btw in the episode when they are talking about taking the planets population to atlantis they say it would take 4 trips in there own ship ,but the orion can take the other people left behind which would have taken 3 trips so its atleast 3 times bigger

Posted by: Cha'Lok Jan 25th 2006, 10:29 AM

Not nescesarly, perhaps the daedalus can't support that many people (but have the room for it). Think about enough breathable oxygen etc. Perhaps the Orion isn't that much bigger but it has the ability to sustain a lot more people. I do think it's bigger than daedalus though.

Posted by: bigjohn_1972 Jan 25th 2006, 1:33 PM

Certainly, that was post #3, we can look forward to many more like it!

Posted by: haikon Jan 25th 2006, 1:36 PM

Did anyone else notice? The front part of the ship looks like a head with two eyes and a nose. Just wondering.


PS

The ship looks bulky, which is not something you would expect from an advanced race. But of course that doesn't mean it lacks firpower. Will see.

Posted by: Gotanks Jan 25th 2006, 1:49 PM

Yeah, i would like to see what it got against a wraith hive ship.

Posted by: SorCerer Jan 25th 2006, 3:17 PM

Umm... they said that the Ancients didn't designed THAT shield to be constatnly running at full capacity due to the unstable power source.

Posted by: Ilzy Jan 25th 2006, 4:16 PM

Lots of already seen faces in this one: the president - doctor, blond scientist - Tok'ra, and I think I caught a glimpse of the guy who played Yu's first prime (and from the way my brother shouted I think I wasn't the only one )

The episode was really great both as a standalone and as an introduction for the season final. But probably the best part of it was the interaction between McKay and Shep - the way Shep has learned to push the right buttons to make Rodney work faster is hilarious! The plan of getting off the planet was also great in the way that it was similiar to Sam's "wacked idea" (quote by McKay) for saving Earth in "Redemption"

And one more thing: when the village guy started arguing and decided to leave all I could think of was: "there's always one like you in the crowd!"

EDIT: Yey with this post I gain the rank of 1st lieutenant!!!

Posted by: Radagast Jan 25th 2006, 7:27 PM

Double or triple is just a complete guess on your part. The way they said it in the episode, it sounded to me like they were saying sortof "This is suicide *because* we don't have the ZPM" - in other words the ZPM powered shields would have significantly more power.



They specifically called it a warship in this episode. Are those beam emmiters on each side?

Where exactly is the bridge on the outside? That pointy "hat" at the front? At first glance it looks like it but on second glance I'm not totally sure. As a rough guess, assuming that it IS the bridge, I'd put the overall length of the ship at at least 800 feet. Perhaps someone who's better at this can do a more accurate calculation.

That would make it somewhat smaller than a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier. Still quite large though and big enough to hold a couple thousand people at least. Anyone know how big the D is?

I expect the reason it isn't shiny is simply because it is a warship and the Ancients had more important things on their mind (the older Azgard ships aren't exactly pretty either).

Posted by: snoop1050 Jan 25th 2006, 7:54 PM

doubt we get to see it in action and find out until series 3.

Posted by: Atlantians Jan 25th 2006, 8:35 PM

Actually the word "hot" was not what was offensive. The other part of his statement saying she is hot in that one way. That was insulting in a motale sense.

Im not so up tight about saying "hot" anymore. But I won't use it my self.


And an FYI: I have known the entire plot of this episode for well over a month.

So I can certainly add to the conversation. I just have not seen the details.

One thing I find interesting is that the ship's external architecture is a polar oposite of everything we have seen of the Ancients before.

The outside is extremely rugged and industrial, and the inside is more Atlantisish.

The Puddle Jumpers are far more streamlined and pretty on the outside. But these 'Aurora class' (untill the actual class is named) ships are way on the other side of the scale of external looks.

Anyone care to think of a reason?



As for the Asgard shields. This is the quote about them:


This is the word severely.

The shields lasted under a minute under full barage from 3 hives. That is good.

The shields on Atlantis would have lasted for several days under full barrage from 10 Hive ships and at least two Cruisers(most likely over a dozen cruisers) for several days.

I highly dought that the "severely diminished" comment ment more then several times as strong.

So maybe the ship would have lasted another 5 or so minutes before getting destroyed. The point is the Atlantis shields are still way more effective and efficient.

Posted by: Crius Jan 25th 2006, 9:31 PM

From the pictures where we see Shep enter the hanger I'd calculate the ship width to be around 140 - 160 meters (taking into account the human size to be 2m and that they are far away from the view point). From the lava scene I'd say the ship is 2.5 times longer than the width, which is around 350 - 400 meters.

I have no idea how big the Daedelus is but this is big in current day earth terms. The Airbus 380 is +- 80m wide (wing tip to wing tip) and 80m long.

I do agree however that they could have made it look better. Sure those guns/turrets look mean, but the ship itself looks like any other sci-fi ship... fill of pipes, tubes and bulges going from nowhere to somewhere.

Oh and, hello everyone ;)

Posted by: Circe Jan 25th 2006, 9:36 PM

He is way hotter!!! But why do the all the "smart? chicks have to look like playboy bunnies? They couldn't have dressed her in pantsuit or something? Or for that matter why are they never in there 40's or 50's and frumpy. They put lots and lots of older frumpy men in the show.

I like Novak. There should be more women like her in the show.

Posted by: Crius Jan 25th 2006, 9:45 PM

I also like it the way Dr Becker runs around in a panicky way to find a chair when they enter the bridge... reminded me of musical chairs lol.

Posted by: jetsetter Jan 26th 2006, 12:53 AM

There is also the possbility that the team was worrying about getting off the planet rather than how long the air was going to last in space. They had a better chance in space than on the ground.

Posted by: ray243 Jan 26th 2006, 4:05 AM

I can't be too sure that he orion is an auora class though, from eps auora, the ship seemed to be 3-4 times bigger than the daedalus...

from this pic...

Posted by: Cheetah Jan 26th 2006, 8:13 AM

Are gates in the Pegasus galaxy make of naquadah like the original ones? If so, the gate should've absorbed energy from the lava after it sank and then exploded in a spectacular fashion when it got 'full'...


Slightly nitpicky point, but various episodes of SG1 have said what happens when you keep pumping energy into a gate.

Posted by: Slic Jan 26th 2006, 8:59 AM

Actually Penthouse Pet hot. She was Penthouse Pet of the Year in 1992 according to imdb.com

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Jan 26th 2006, 9:32 AM

But the lava itself woldn't have provided energy. See "100 Days" and "48 Hours" in SG-1 to see what happens when stuff hits the gate. Basically an Iris would form over the gate, preventing any form or wormhole to connect, unless of course the gate itself was destroyed.

Posted by: ted_simple Jan 26th 2006, 9:39 AM

Sorry to add a comment but you haven't said it explicitly, so again for anyone who wonders: The gate will only charge up when there is an open wormhole. Not being connected, it won't absorb any energy. Even it is made from Naquadah, the material itself won't explode from coming in contact with lava.

Posted by: Radagast Jan 26th 2006, 10:23 AM

I can't check since I don't have the season 1 eps anymore, but didn't they say VERY early on that the gates were in fact not made from Naquedah? And possibly that Naquedah doesn't even occur in the Pegasus galaxy?

That's why the gates are blueish instead of gray. Not sure if they ever said exactly what it was made from though.

They are also more advanced versions of the stargates so perhaps they have improved failsafes which prevent overloading and explosions.

There's also the question of whether heat alone can cause Naquedah to explode - isn't it sometimes found very deep beneath the surface of planets, where it would already be quite hot? If lava-level heat were enough, those planets would have long since exploded.

Short answer: I'm not at all surprised the gate didn't blow up. I am surprised that the connection dropped so quickly but again perhaps that was a failsafe or perhaps the gate just melted.

Posted by: stargate loyal fan Jan 26th 2006, 11:09 AM

how come this ship never appeared on the atlantis map like the aurora did?

Posted by: Radagast Jan 26th 2006, 11:49 AM

It was inside a shielded base

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Jan 26th 2006, 1:49 PM

It won't nessicarily charge up if there is an open wormhole though. See '100 Days' when a meteor strikes the gate and forms an 'iris' over it because the material could not penetrate past the event horizon. You need something that provides energy to 'charge' the gate. (such as energy-based weapon blasts, lightening strikes, etc). Lava only provides heat, not energy (in that sense).


Watch the episode. It is explained very early on (I think almost right after the intro credits)

Posted by: Nnahrino Jan 26th 2006, 3:24 PM

Indeed they were just returning from Earth when they were told to go straight to the planet, so they had already used plenty of Oxygen etc.

This was definetly the best episode in a while, special effects were really good.

I wouldnt expect to see the "Orion" in action until next season though, probably roam in to save the day like the deadlus did at the start of this season.

I think they did take the drones from the ship to fill Atlantis supplies, perhaps the people from the Tower didnt want to give away all of their drones.

Also slight nitpick, when the Deadlus first appears they say they can't detect any life signs, then about 2seconds later he says "from my scans it will take 4 journeys to take that many people". Or am i mistaken?

Posted by: Ilzy Jan 26th 2006, 3:58 PM

If I remember correctly the Daedalus couldn't detect only people who were on Orion. But when the ship first arrived all locals were in the village or close, none on the ship.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jan 26th 2006, 4:26 PM

The gates in the PG are not naquadah nor is there any in PG.

Posted by: snoop1050 Jan 26th 2006, 5:34 PM

surely the ship has a proper lifesupport system and not oxygen canisters

Posted by: SomeEvilGuy Jan 26th 2006, 8:05 PM

Gotta say I liked the episode...finally building up to a nice big battle again. Plus, good to see someone who can actually write creating this one.

Posted by: Atlantians Jan 26th 2006, 10:55 PM

And where was this tidbit of information learned?

Posted by: Yamarin Jan 27th 2006, 12:43 AM

Actually heat IS energy...

Anyway great ep There's a Swede in Atlantis! Then it definately should be A Norwegian ans Danish guy there too Wonder if they just stick random flags on the shoulders of random background people or if they actually have specified that the guys in the background should be this and this nationality and do a particular task.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Jan 27th 2006, 12:56 AM

Because until they say they are Naquidah they are nothing. Just gates.

There is also no attempt whatsoever, to look for naquidah in the PG. No mention of Naquidah. The gates also look different and made from material found in the PG.

Unless you can prove they are made of Naquidah they simple are gates.

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Jan 27th 2006, 8:20 AM

Which is why I included "in that sense" because it has to be harnessed differently, and is not exactly the same as "electrical" energy in terms of usage.

Posted by: Radagast Jan 27th 2006, 2:41 PM

It's possible it does (in fact I believe it does from the way he said it) however even if you have scrubbers and processors they can still only handle a certain volume of atmosphere per second, say. So there's a limit to how much CO2 and how much oxygen depletion they can keep up with.

Posted by: Sibylle Jan 27th 2006, 2:54 PM

They should beam up the people and not materialize them, untill they're back in Atlantis.....it can be done, and Asgard beam tech. surely has great potential.

Posted by: Krystian SG1 Jan 27th 2006, 3:39 PM

Maybe the Deadalus dosn't have the capability to store people in a dematerialized state. I think that would require a lot of data storage for that many people.
Nyways this was a good episode. I was knid of disapointed with the volcano erupting, i thought there would have been better effects for it.

Posted by: AtheneBelle Jan 27th 2006, 4:10 PM

I think this episode is one of the best this season and in my opinion the strongest of ANY of the Stargate eps this year. When Rodney finally revealed his plan I automatically thought "Lava surfing!!!" I also liked the fact that Rodney has a potential girlfriend in Narina (althought previous to this I was still being an odd AU Rodney/Sam shipper) but also noticed how Sheppard seemed to be getting in the way.

The basic science was definitely solid on this one. The only thing that is problematic is that the Sulfuric Dioxide should have made them "go to sleep" before the ash was really pouring down. This very thing was the cause of the Pompeii statues. The people died from the gases and then the ash covered them up. The Volcanic tuff later made the bones disappear leaving only the hard volcanic tuff casts.

I honestly hope that we will see more of either Narina or this society. I suspect we owe them a bit considering they are allowing us to use the Orion.

Posted by: Atlantians Jan 27th 2006, 4:52 PM

The only material we ever knew Ancient mass production gates to be made out of was Naquadah.
And you said: "The Pegasus Gates are notmade out of Naquadah, and there is no Naquadah in Pegasus". That of course is an assumption stated as fact with no proof whatsoever.

Posted by: Hermiod Jan 27th 2006, 5:20 PM

Haven't they said in several episodes that the gates are very near indestructable? They dropped one into a star with only a forceshield around it and it lasted long enough to implode the star. i think based on that it would be able to take some measly lava.

Posted by: Radagast Jan 28th 2006, 1:48 PM

Clearly, that was a different type of gate being from the Milky Way...

I agree the failsafe idea is much more likely than melting but you never know, doesn't hurt to consider all options.

Posted by: Ben64 Jan 28th 2006, 2:24 PM

http://ben64.com/random_junk/sg1archive/219/

some nice HD pics of this ep.

Btw... if anyone wants a screencap of any atlantis in HD... lemme know

Posted by: BlackBolt Feb 1st 2006, 12:20 PM

Yup... cool episode.. and http://www.angelfire.com/grrl/madagihia/images/Alex2.jpg She was a Penthouse model. :O

http://www.hawaiimovietour.com/myweb1a/collection/collectionL/baywatchL.jpg

Posted by: Dafmeister Feb 2nd 2006, 9:25 AM

There are threads for the women of Stargate in the General Discussion forums. There are quite a few pics of her in the Atlantis thread.

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Feb 2nd 2006, 9:56 AM

also re: screenshots. The archive is affiliated with another site, http://www.stargatecaps.com which I do believe provides HD caps of all episodes.

Posted by: Pitry Feb 3rd 2006, 5:43 PM

I knew these two were familiar from somewhere.

OH, and, what the hell are they thinking?! A filler up for episode 19?! I keep on forgetting RCC is only showrunner for SG1, I guess.

Yeah, it was a nice episode. Cool new ship. Rodney getting hysterical again never fails, even for the umpteenth time. This time the Evil Emperor of the Other Planet wasn't so Evil (I'm over-doing capitalisation, I know ;)). Foreshadowing Wraith... but still a filler up. Not a bad one. Volcanos... meh. Filler ups. Let them be burnt to ashes together witht heir volcanoes, sigh.
I hafta admit I was laughing out loud when Rodney was revealing his sollution step by step. T;was like, they're not really going to try that one up, are they? ... ah, well.

Oh and Hermoid is a god. Prolly a Norse one (yes, geeky sense of humour).

Posted by: dr lee Feb 4th 2006, 9:59 AM

this was an interesting episode. this seemed (in a way) like 'letters from pegasus' with there being a 'B' story about wraith ship/ships heading towards atlantis. pitry this didn't seem like a filler episode to me to be honest

amazing computer graphics in this with the volcano going off. the lava swallowing the gate was a great sequence

the orion was a sticking point for me. if you look at atlantis you'll see that it's elegant and pleasing to the eye (i think so anyway) but the ship didn't look very good to me. yeah i know it was built to be a warship not a work of art but still...

there is also the fact that if you look at the ship you would be drawn to conclude that the bridge is at the front of the ship just under the 'pointy hat' but we find out in allies that it's actually halfway down the ship. also that it's down in a dip in the ship which doesn't make sense to me.

ronan and teyla seem out of place in this episode. All they seemed to do was stand around and be beamed up moments before they suffocated.

interesting duel betwen shep and mackay for the attention of the scientist. (what can i say about her??? ) but who was she interested in cuz i've read that she was going for rodney but when i watched it i didn't think she was

Posted by: Revan Feb 6th 2006, 3:36 AM

Great episode.

LOVED the special effects... very nice job effects team.

Dr. Rodney McKay and Lt. Colonel John Sheppard always have the best dialogues.

The design of the Orion reminded me strongly of the Republic cruiser from the beginning of The Phantom Menace. Except that it didn't get blown up. Atlantis was constructed long before the Alterrans were at war with anybody besides the Orii. It was built for beauty and elegance. McKay made a comment about the austerity of the facility (= not pretty/simple). We can infer from its Alterran name that the Hippaferralcus [or, Orion] was built during war for battle and not to be sleek and beautiful like all of the Asgard ships. Wartime "inventions" are generally built for practicality... not to look pretty. Well... unless you are Asgard... in which case everything must be sleek and elegant and prettiful and shiny and new.

On the subject of shields... I presume that the Ancients can make different types of shields for different situations; they are very ingenious. The Atlantis shield was made to be powered by ZPM's and to stop anything from penetrating it for long periods of time, because of the ZPM's. I would think powering anything with a ZPM would increase its ability. It is not form-fitting because it would have a greater surface area, requiring more energy and making it more difficult to deflect bombardment. The shield was made to be form-fitting underwater because it would have been excessive to have all that open space down there. The shield on Tyranus was not meant to be run for long periods of time at full power because it drew its power from the magma chamber below it. We saw the effect of that action. BOOM Some shields are meant for emergencies ONLY because of their power requirements.

If you have seen SG-1 915, then...

I do not think the Orion gave any drones to Atlantis. The Tower removed any need for that. Atlantis got ALL of the drones because there is no way to power the Chair device on that planet. So they have no further need of drones. Also, none of them can pilot the Jumpers, so they don't need them either. We are giving them assistance because it is the right thing to do. I was also wondering if that planet has a space gate.

I am pleased that Ronon did not attack, kill or try to kill anybody in this episode (that I recall). I am becoming increasingly concerned that his character lacks depth. He is kinda coming off as a Teal'c knock off... He is just angry and violent. The character Teyla is also becoming shallow and a filler. Hm, a hott female Daniel knock-off.... She seems only to serve as a quiet voice of patience and thoughtfulness... who is very attractive.

Posted by: PokeThePuddle Feb 10th 2006, 10:01 PM

There's no way get access that stargate because its BURIED!

if the gate didn't melt already then the difference in thermal coefficient would have turned the lava solid right around the gate ring making it impossible to form an event horizon

Edit: by lava i mean magma seeing how its still underground

Posted by: MYOB Feb 15th 2006, 11:28 PM

I don't know if it was mentioned or not but Brandy Ledford was a former Penthouse magazine pet.
Of ourse that was back in the early 90's.

Not that it is important.
But she is one of only a handfull of women who have made a somewhat or better successful changeover from adult pictures/movies to legitimate screen work. Pamela Anderson being the most successful.

So give her credit for sticking it out and avoiding the stigma of having posed naked in mens magazines. Considering how many women in cinema have nude scenes at one time or another it is rather unfair that women who start out posing nude have such a hard time getting past the stereotype and going legit when women who were legit get to avoid this labeling when they pose naked in their movies later on.

Posted by: MYOB Feb 15th 2006, 11:42 PM

The Tollans built one or were given help by the Nox. I didn't get the impression from it's appearance that it was mad of naq' nor was the one Orlan built in Carter's basement made of anything special so gates can be made of a lot of different materials. It could turn out that since the milky way was the place where the ancients colonized afterwards that the naq' based gates were a second generation or higher version of the gate system gates.

Posted by: Revan Feb 16th 2006, 1:04 AM

The Ancients populated the MW before going to Pegasus. They left because of the plague and returned only after Earth became populated by the humans that evolved as a result of the device on Dakara.

Posted by: hobo_joe20 Feb 16th 2006, 1:11 AM

Except that the magma wouldn't harden when its still heated to the degree that it was

Posted by: Revan Feb 16th 2006, 1:23 PM

huh? Hobo Joe is right..... why would the magma harden? If it is hot enough to be capable of melting the gate it wouldn't harden... This isn't the inner core of the planet.

Posted by: I'm a janitor at the SGC 715 Mar 4th 2006, 12:45 AM

I thought this was a great episode. Alot better than SG-1 tonight. Can't wait to see the new ship in action. I loved it when Sheppard said "We can't call it the Enterprise" SG-1 has used that line before but somehow it just never gets old for me.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Mar 4th 2006, 2:06 AM

O'Neill used it in S6 "Prometheus".

Carter said in response: "Yeah, sir, we cannot call it the Enterprise" to which Jack in exasperation said: "Why nooooooooootttt". Head tilt.

Love that scene.

Posted by: Revan Mar 4th 2006, 2:50 AM

Orion isn't pretty enough to be the Enterprise. It is an historic name though. Lots of ancient sailing vessels had that name, as well as an American aircraft carrier. I am going to watch this again tomorrow in HD. I taped it.

WOO HOO!!

Posted by: usmctech99 Mar 4th 2006, 3:08 AM

Loved this episode, 5/5.

So Atlantis is finally starting to receive compensation for their troubles... all I can say is it's about damn time! First it was the Genii screwing us over a couple times, then the pretty little brunette in Brotherhood, and don't forget McKay's insanely inflated ego in Trinity... finally at the end of Season 2 they're starting to reap the rewards, resupplied with drones in The Tower, friendship at last with the Genii, and now a new ship, despite being a fixer-uper, that will help emmensly in the long run. I'm sure McKay and his team will get everything up and running maybe with some help from Hermiod and Novak.

And Brandy Ledford survived! That means they can bring her back as a recurring character... I see a love triangle episode with Sheppard and McKay duking it out for her in Season 3.

Edit: Yes I realize these quotes are from a month ago, but I'm still putting in my two cents...

More like the Taranians realize that they wouldn't even be alive if it weren't for the Atlantis crew, and since they wouldn't be able to fix the ship anyway, they'll let McKay have a crack at it, and hope he winds up teaching Norina everything he knows about ancient tech in the process.

Posted by: IRCMonkey Mar 4th 2006, 4:09 AM

OT sorry

Is Ford gone from the show? Was Rainbow fired? Was Ford "Seven of Nined" by Ronan? That really pisses me off. I liked that character. Do they need to boot Ford to keep Ronan?

Posted by: Arcady Mar 4th 2006, 4:49 AM

Uh, he was dropped from the main cast at the end of season 1.

Posted by: Trudi~ Mar 4th 2006, 8:07 AM

Predictable, but fun.


I thought that Sheppard had a spark of his old humor, and Mckay was absolutly hilarious. Weir perfromed well, Teyla and Ronon work so well as a team, and I just really enjoyed this episode. 8/10

Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 4th 2006, 8:31 AM

He was dropped because Ford was a crap character. He's been quite good in season 2 but that is becase he hasnt been on the show full time.

Posted by: tauri129 Mar 4th 2006, 12:39 PM

this was probably the best atlantis episode all season.

I love the shepperd-mckay relationship, they are so funny! shepperd still hasnt let rodney forget about blowing up that planet LOL.

and to make it even better we get an awesome new ship. yay!

after this i cant wait for the season finale

Posted by: Saffron Mar 4th 2006, 12:47 PM

I very much enjoyed this episode. Sheppard and McKay are great together and I laughed quite a bit in this epi.

It was good to see Caldwell and the Daedalus , too.

But McKay was my favorite part. I love when he panics. And the moment Shep, McKay and the girl were in the Orion and there was a tremor, Shep and the girl getting all goo-goo eyed and the look of utter disgust on McKay's face. I was waiting for him to stand up and call Shep Kirk.

Posted by: Revan Mar 4th 2006, 1:05 PM

Seven of Nined?

Ford was a small boy that didn't grow up until he may or may not have died in The Hive.

Posted by: IndyJan Mar 4th 2006, 1:40 PM

Okay other than being predictable, it was a good show.

You knew as soon as they found the starship that was how they would get everyone off the planet, including themselves. It was okay though, because the rest was fine.

Shep always wants the girl, LOL! this time she thought McKay was special, and a genius. Did you catch her expression once Rodney explained everything? Told his plan. She was all googly-eyed at him. I have to laugh at Rodney though. Twice when there was a tremor, he went under the table and in the hallway, LOL! Does Shep know how to play him or what? All he has to do is threaten Rodney with his death, and somehow, someway Rodney finds a solution.

I liked Teyla and Rodney in this one. They did good. We saw Zelenka, had Carson, along with Caldwell and Hemirod(sp). All in all a good episode, and we got a ship that hopefully they can fix. They kind of went back to what I feel they should be, meeting people, making allies and helping people. After Michael, it was a nice change.

Both SG and Atlantis have a habit of reusing the same actors for different parts. I guess because they film in Canada, their supply of actors can be limited. At least maybe the ones that are good.

Posted by: nerd101 Mar 4th 2006, 7:38 PM

One very good episode this is. Looks like the writers and everyone are focusing on making Atlantis a better show a.k.a making SG-1 suck.

I am very excited to see Orion in action I hope the writers do not make it blow up pieces but for use it for sometime etc etc..

Posted by: row4d Mar 4th 2006, 10:06 PM

I'm loving the chemistry between those two characters, and David Hewlett never fails to crack me up!

Did the way the chancellor was describing the ship's capabilities remind anyone of Jonas' description of the Kelownan leaders' reaction to learning of the destructive power of the naquadria weapon? Then there was the paranoia about the Atlantis team manufacturing a threat in order to steal their precious technology. I told my friend who was watching with me that all they needed was a sacrificial gesture on Rodney's part (yeah, I know that would probably never happen, lol!) and we'd have the Meridian ripoff trifecta.

Posted by: Aquila Mar 6th 2006, 8:54 PM

Wow! When I heard Joe Flanigan rename the Ancient ship Orion I couldn't be more surprised/astounded. I remember way back when I had thought of that name for a ship...July it was of 05'.

I can't believe they used the name I had suggested...awesome.

Posted by: Trudi~ Mar 7th 2006, 9:14 PM

Wow that is weird! I actually had a friend who kept saying the name Orion...weirdness. But anyway another reason why this episode never got that exciting was because they gave away the whole "The gate is gone!" thing in the preview...I wish I could tear myself away from watching the previews but I can't. But something really good came out of the episode...my brother actually admitted that Mckay was funny in this ep. Mckay is hilarious in every ep I think but my brother is an official Mckay hater...so it was a big step for him! *laugh* he's on his way to loving Mckay I just know it!

Posted by: I'm a janitor at the SGC 715 Mar 8th 2006, 1:42 AM

Yeah, you are right about that preview hurting show. The only thing that left the show interesting was how they were going to fix the ship in time to get out of there.

Posted by: gods Mar 8th 2006, 4:02 PM

that was a prity good ep i liked it up untill the damn woman on sky one talked over the end of it.

Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 8th 2006, 4:11 PM

A good episode, except for Sky One advertising the following show when the last few minutes were on.
As always, McKay was excellent. Sheppard trying it on with every attractive female is starting to get boring. That joke has been done to death, perhaps it is about time that TPTB realised that.
One thing I found convenient was that for most of the episode the only place that magma broke through the surface was in the exact place as where the Stargate was.

Posted by: JC1 Mar 8th 2006, 4:25 PM

That was one of the best episodes of the season, it hasn't been a great season, but still it was a very good epsiode.

At last they find a planet with some good stuff left over by the Ancients. The planet gets blown up again, but at least they came away with an Ancient warship with a full compliment of drones.

I liked Mckays plan, and the ship looked pretty good escaping from the volcano and emerging from hyperspace in orbit.

The planets leader was rightly suspicious of the Atlantis teams motives about the ship, but why did he go and so openly show them the ship in the first place?

Anyway, a good episode, and now Atlantis is fully armed, and they've got two warships, so it should be a good final.

Posted by: IndyJan Mar 9th 2006, 1:25 AM

My husband and I thought the same thing and came to the conclusion that was the top of the volcano that had closed over from the lava that had hardened. Or maybe, they just wanted a big round circle to identify the erupting lava for people!

Posted by: Revan Mar 9th 2006, 1:38 PM

It was a 40 mile wide caldera... I had concluded that it sunk in right there because the gate is drawing power from the magma chamber.

In case anyone was wondering. The volcano that is presently underneath Yellowstone National Park has erupted many times, with varying magnitudes. There was actually something on the discovery channel about it last year. I don't think it is going to erupt again, the tectonic activity is pushing a thicker area of plate over the hot spot.

Posted by: Aticus Mar 9th 2006, 4:07 PM

"can somebody get me a nailclipper"

haha McKay's plan was far fetched but worked great

Posted by: IndyJan Mar 9th 2006, 4:40 PM

Wouldn't that make it the top of the volcano? Wouldn't that be where the most eruption would occur and then sink in on itself? I'm only asking because I'm not that knowledgeable about volcanoes.

Posted by: Revan Mar 9th 2006, 9:47 PM

You have to think about it like a huge crater, instead of a mountain, because it is not a mountain. Yellowstone is a large crater basically. Imagine the area of Yellowstone, and then imagine all of that area being ejected into the atmosphere with alarming power. It could create an ice age.

We usually think of volcanoes like Vesuvius and Mt. St. Helens... possibly Hawaii (Kilauea volcano)

The caldera is the 'bowl' at the top fo any volcano.

When a hot spot forms in the mantle, it forces the crust over it upwards, making a small mountain. Eventually, when the pressure has built up, it will either seep out or, usually, be ejected explosively. This will send ash everywhere and pyroclastic flows will start pouring down the sides of the mountain, building it up. This will happen repeatedly, making the mountain increasingly large. If it happens in the ocean it will form islands. Ring-shaped islands are in fact the caldera edges of an oceanic volcano. This is also what forms island chains. Tectonic activity moves the plate over the hot spot, forming multiple volcanoes over many years.

In rare cases, a large enough hot spot may form a magma chamber many many miles wide. This will eventaully be ejected into the atmosphere, blackening out the sun for many years, and possibly killing off indigenous life forms. The magam chamber emptied, the ground will sink slightly, causing a large 'bowl' to form. This is the caldera I spoke of. The entirety of Yellowstone Nat. Park is a caldera. The hot springs and geisers are caused by the large amount of geothermal energy just beneath the surface.

Posted by: I'm a janitor at the SGC 715 Mar 10th 2006, 2:03 AM

I kept thinking of Mt. Olympus on Mars. Its like hundreds of miles high and wide....anyway its huge. How in the heck did they get the ancient war ship back to atlantis. They have the hyperdrive, but don't they need sub light engines to slow it down, just like Apothis mother ship couldn't slow down in the Episode "Enemies " (First episode of season 5 apothis dies) Does anyone know what the ancient ship is powered by? Like are the hyperdrive engines as good as the asgard?

Posted by: Dafmeister Mar 10th 2006, 5:21 AM

We dont know if they did take back to Atlantis but it is the most likely place. CHances are they were able to tow it with Asgard technology, like Thor used in 'Unnatural Selection'.


We know that there are two types of Ancient hyperdrive, an interstellar one (like Aurora had) that only allows travel within the boundaries of the galaxy and an intergalactic on that allows travel between galaxies. Since Orion is the same class of ship as Aurora, it is likely it only has the interstellar hyperdrive.

Posted by: Auntie Em! Mar 10th 2006, 6:06 AM

220 Spoiler re how they get it back to Atlantis

Posted by: Historywiz Mar 10th 2006, 8:46 AM

This was a great episode. I didn't think the Orion was going to be an Ancient ship when I heard of it, but hey good suprise!

Posted by: Revan Mar 10th 2006, 1:16 PM

That is vaguely accurate. The Intergalactic Hyperdrive does not allow travel between galaxies, it makes it easy to do. Intergalactic drives are much more powerful... they allow for greatly faster speeds, thus making it easier to travel the long distances between galaxies. It would take a ship with an Interstellar drive hundreds of years to make the journey.

SGA 220:

Posted by: IndyJan Mar 10th 2006, 1:40 PM

Thank you! The explanation was very clear. So from what McKay said, then the gate was located in a major hot spot. Thus creating a major magma chamber and destroying things. Due to the ash everywhere they said that the planet would not be habitable for many, many years. From looking at the site of the gate, it appeared to me as if this had happened many years before creating the same type of thing you described.

Posted by: AtheneBelle Mar 13th 2006, 2:52 PM

I saw that show but I'm also on a Natural History group and they took pains (they meaning the geologists on the forum) to point out that they type of volcano is not like Pompeii or Mount Saint Helens. Those volcanos are caused by subducting plates melting. The Yellowstone caldera is a hotspot type of volcano. As it melts through the upper crust the magma will become more acidic but once is gets past that it would be much more like Kilauea in style (although possibly slightly bigger in magnitude). Yellowstone probably won't blow in either yours mine or even our great-grandchildren's lives but on the geologic scale it will be soon.

After talking with them and rewatching this ep, I am less convinced about the sulfuric dioxide. most everything else seems to be on par (except maybe the underlying force of the magma rising would have caused it to be slightly more explosive in coming up).

I somehow ge tthe feeling that they probably had a geologist (or someone that spent an extensive amount of time researching Yellowstone) was on the team that helped the scriptwriter (who I think did a beautiful job with the story).

Sorry if this post seems OT, but I thought it was both interesting an relevant to this story.

ETA: It looks like someone has also pointed out what I have said, thank you!

Posted by: Hermiod Mar 13th 2006, 5:06 PM

Wow you guys are Geological geniuses!
Very interesting...but I have one simple question regarding the episode.

The facility appeared to be embedded into the side of the crater. The Stargate appeared to be in the middle of the crater. To what purpose was it located there? (besides the obvious plot development) One would think that Ancients would recognize the advantage of simply putting the Gate outside of the crater, putting a set of rings from the Facility to the Gate and be done with it...

Hmmmm...maybe the Ancients who hadn't ascended by the time of the war with the Wraith weren't as smart as we thought...

Posted by: Revan Mar 13th 2006, 8:52 PM

I think the facility was supposed to be on the edge of the caldera, or something.

Posted by: cosmos Mar 18th 2006, 6:11 AM

This episode was amazing - drama, action and great humour. One question though. Shouldn't the Gate explode causing a violent eruption once enveloped by lava?

Posted by: Revan Mar 22nd 2006, 3:00 AM

Placing the gate as they did would ensure it would continue to be powered for a long time. They had not forseen that somebody would draw as much power as they did by using the shield, thus liquifying the area under the gate where there was energy transfer.

The present Tyranians were obviously not aware of what they had gotten themselves into.

Posted by: thefirstone Apr 9th 2006, 3:51 PM

not neccessarily, if the heat was focused enough to do so, it would. but id doubt a lot of the heat energy was transfered to the gate or maybe it detonated after they got to atlantis.

Posted by: Invisible Painting Apr 9th 2006, 5:58 PM

Not really, the gate isn't just something that explodes. It was a different case in redemption energy was being continuously fed into the gate. There is no reason why it should explode if it is dumped in lava about 800'C. (As far as I know anyway.)
Also thefirstone the gate couldn't have exploded after they went to atlantis because it was right on top of the supervolcano!! Which exploded!

Posted by: 38_mins moo Apr 13th 2006, 2:20 PM

i just want to know how they boarded the orion from the viewing gallery?

also the hyperspace window opened quite a distance from where the volcano looked to have exploded.

best episode since the siege pt 3 i think.

Posted by: Dafmeister Apr 13th 2006, 3:53 PM

What viewing gallery? They boarded the Orion through whatever entrance they could find.


What? We dont see Orion entering hyperspace, we only see it exiting hyperspace. If the ship hadnt exited hyperspace at a high enough altitude then it would have just been fallen back down to the surface.

Posted by: JCM340 Jun 2nd 2006, 9:40 AM

When i saw the stargate destroy, i thought that the team was doom, but ofcourse Mckay will find away to get off the planet.
I thought that it was funny when Sheppard tryed to name the new ship "The interprise"

Posted by: KillerMarv Jun 2nd 2006, 3:42 PM

Oh yeah, "The Enterprise"... This name was mentioned by both O'Neill and Sheppard in both shows. When you already see it once, it's not the same the second time. Sheppard had a much better idea when he decided on "The Orion".

Posted by: kordone Jun 3rd 2006, 2:29 AM

To me any of those names are pefectly exceptabe compared to Hippaforalkus

Posted by: Revan Jun 7th 2006, 12:31 AM

In SG-1 and SGA it was said 'We cannot name the ship the Enterprise'. O'Neill and McKay never got to ask...

Posted by: startreksuite Jun 24th 2006, 5:17 PM

Great episode! I missed the first showing, and had to wait to see it when it was re shown during a stargate atlantis marathon on scifi last month. And I was glad to see it! I guess the destruction of the prometheus won't be so bad when we have an ancient warship in our arsenal! Though I wasn't pleased with them mentioning they didn't like the original name, thought of renaming it, and just mentioned the ORION as if everyone knew the name ( that or my dvr box bugged out and I didn't hear it!) And they stole the riding the volcanic magma from the movie the Core, but it was a much cooler effect on this episode! Also, the native scientist seemed like an airhead, unable to assist McKay with anything. I guess she was eye candy for Shep and McKay to oogle over. The tectonic disturbance from the volcano was a nice touch, with an avant garde scene with a precarious positioning of the scientist's face near Shep's lower region! There is more to say about the episode, but I'm sure everyone else on this forum has mentioned it, as well as what I have said. Can't wait until the next season starts!