Isn't weird how in the lowdown the main writer says we have already met the ancients, then right away you here Anubis saying welcome home Jonas.

Anubis seemed surprised that Jonas survived the memory inplanter device.
Jonas was able to look beyond Daniels notes and figure out that it said the "City of the Lost"
Societies can regress technologically, maybe this is what the non-ascended ancients did.

i think the welcome home part was anubis sarcasm as in now you can see your planet before i destroy it as far as him being of the same race as the ancients i think NOT

Seriously, the writer did say we have already met the ancients. There is definitely feeling that the "lost city" is somewhere they've been before.

What I think is.... Remeber the NOX? and thier floating disappearing city?

It kept getting discussed whether the tablet said "lost city" or "city of the lost" and then Daniel suddenly knew how to read it and said it referenced the ancients "making" thier city "lost." Well that certainly sounds liek invisible to me. AND the Nox were part of the original four races with the Furlings, Asgard, and Ancients so wouldn't they "hide" thier friends for them?

When they said that we already met the eancients...i think he was referring to when we first met Oma, or Carter's stalker..i think his name was Orlin or something (he was the one who descended and built a mini stargate that would only work once. Also he could have been talking about the woman from the episode Frozen.

Also, Daniel said that he was way off in his original translation (the reference that Jonas was using in the beginning of the episode) and that the city on the tablet was indeed the "Lost City" and not the City of the Lost.

I think that jonas is closer to having the physiology of an Ancient...but i don't think that he himself is an actual Ancient

anubis said "welcome home jonas" because they had arrived at jonas's homeworld...duh.

anubis wanted to study jonas's physiology because of his advanced brain capabilities...he's able to remember everything and had read the entire base library three times...thats what anubis is interested in...jonas's people are not the ancients

the nox are hiding THEIR city...they say so themselves...the nox we met were FAR away from their city.

the ancients we have met are oma desala and orlin.

spend more time watching the episodes and save us some time with these posts.

Nasty, Nasty...

The Nox never in fact said it was thier city, they revealed it to show SG-1 that were not defenseless and alone on the planet. Also, seeing as they were part of the original alliance of four races, it is very possible that this could be "the lost city." I never said the Nox were the ancients and yes Orlin and Oma Desala were ascended ancients and we know that the ancients that did not ascend died out. So how can anyone be so sure that the ancient's "lost city" is not the one that the Nox are hiding?

Everything is not always black and white.

spend more time thinking about what is going to happen rather then repeating sh*t we all already know. I am not talking about the episodes, I know why Anubis says "welcome home jonas" I just find it ironic that in Stargate SG 1: The Lowdown, Josheph Mazzli says, we've already met the ancients, and right after that they show the clip when Anubis says "Welcome home jonas" could be a suttle hint.

You guys are also forgetting about episode 620. Forget that Jonas can remember sh*t, that's great, but predicting the future, developing brain tissue with nerurons 5x more densely packed then normal. It is hinted that this was because of nerti. But what if it wasn't? What if it was, but she just merely activated dormant genes.

It is a proven fact that humans on earth right now do not use the full potential of their brains. Why? There are 2 reasons, either the brain naturally evolves so that as we gain knowledge, we have room for it, and never complete fill it all, or we have literally regressed. meaning, ancient humans, were a whole hell of alot smarter then us.

As you have all pointed out, the living Ancients in todays world are all ascended. I belive you to be correct. However, it is also possible that there are un-ascended ancients that have regressed. Think about it, you know the lost city is suppose to have an all powerfull weapon, right? what do you think that crystal is used for, why do you think the crystal was found with naquadria?

Jonas/Daniel says the ancients made the city lost. would it not be wise to regress the society, and then make them belive that a ghould once thrived there, when in reality it was not a ghould, but the ancients. Stargate Atlantis is too not be military, right? Jonas is an archeologist, and if he does now lead his planet, he may choose to not use the military approach, instead more of a tok'ra approach, considering he and his people will be untoched for the most part since there planet has naquadria, which is capable of being turned into the baddest ghould weapons of all time.

We know that some chrachter from the current series will be in atlantis. People have said Daniel links the movie to the series, well, Jonas replaced daniel (*hint), so ironically, Jonas could provide the link from the series back to a second movie, and/or second series.

And as far as the Nox are concerned, you could be right. After all, we know that the Nox are non-military, and thus if Stargate: Atlantis is to be non-military based, it would makse sense. Although, I think we would have seen more of the nox if that were the case, just to go back to them know would be predictable.

This post has been edited by apexad: Jun 14th 2003, 6:22 PM

what good is a nonmilitary based show? j/k
but even if the nox were hiding the ancient city, where are the rest of the nox? are we saying that those three or four are the only nox left in the galaxy (or galaxies)?

i just skipped al this cos i havn't seen ne season 7 yet
im off to mates house tomorrow nite to get wat i can tho

I don't believe the lost city has anything to do with the nox. the nox are not warriors and do not believe in war, so why would they be hiding advanced weapons and technology? They are a separate race from the ancients. they can manipulate illusions. no one said that because the city is hidden means it invisible, it may be that the stargate has been removed and the planet is in the furthest reaches of the universe. Well I don't know, but I don't believe the Nox have anything to do with it.

ok, all the ancients died out, they are a more advanced version of humans, we were genetically engineered to evolve by the ancients to carry on thier bloodline. they wished for us to find the lost city (not the hidden city or invisable city so i'm guessing you can see it if you can find the damn thing) so that we could carry on thier legacy once we got to a state of evolution high enough to understand and use it responivly. that's my theory at least.

This plot would make great sense. Jonas is more advanced at mind than even Carter. He could learn what Carter in 8 years in 4 weeks.

They did just throw that scene in where anubis says "welcome home, jonas," right after they said "i told the fans, we have already met an ancient" or something like that. The scene had no relation to another.

The Nox can NOT be the ancients. Who here has ALREADY forgotten about the 'The Fifth Race'? The Ancients, Nox, Furlings and Asgard were all there as three seperate races. They were also all represented seperately in 'Torment of Tantalus'.

I don't think anyone said that the Nox were the ancients... just that they were obviously alligned with the ancients as one of the original four races.

Jonas isnt an ancient.

Its pretty obvious that the ancients are the full potential to what humans can potentially evolve to. The ancients had the same appearance as humans, however they are basically an 'advanced human'. Humans are a de-volved version of the ancients, possibly something for humans to evolve to in the future. The ancients are essentially humans, but more advanced.

The relationship between the ancients and humans is unclear at the moment. I have thought up a few theories, as well as reading quite a few theories. One theory is that the ancients are literal humans in the future, and they came back in time to before our time, which would make them appear more advanced. The ancients didnt manage to create the time machine fully though supposedly, so who knows about this one.

Another theory, is humans were a simple small colony seperated from the ancients. I.e. two groups of humans seperated. The first, because of evolutionary adaptions caused by their enviornment, makes them evolve, whereas humans in the other group stay the way they are.

Another, is that the ancients were dying, and may have metaphorically 'planted the seeds' to which humans could evolve.

Most of these indicate that humans have the potential to possess qualities of the ancients (possibly depending on evolutionary adaptions). Jonas's people simply grew up in a different environment slightly to earth, consequently it changed his physiology in a different way. Jonas is slightly more advanced, he isnt an ancient.

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The nox could indeed be hiding the city, and this is one of the best predictions i have heard from what was said in the first two episodes. If the ancients made their city 'lost' so others couldnt access it, it would certainly indicate burying it or making it camoflagueable, possibly underground. Another, could be that the Nox were hiding it, by making it invisible. Most likely the ancients will have done something to the city that we have not seen before.

This is all good disscussion.
Let me just say a few things though.

1. The Ancients have moved on to another part of the galaxy, and it seems that most races are no longer in contact with them. Thus, how would any race know if they DIED OUT, as you say.

2. How the f*ck do you know what is on that crystal? They believe it to be research, and it no doubt is, but you assume too much.

3. Daniel can speak ancient, but he does not have the genetic knowledge of every anicent that lived before him, hell nobody does.

4. bah...........

The acctual line was "The Ainctients moved on from our region of space long ago", not the galaxy, as you said. That wouldn't make sense as the Asgard are from a different galaxy to us anyway...

I guess it's safe to say that when they find the Lost City, it'll be called "Atlantis", eh? I hope it doesn't turn out that Jonas's people are really more advanced than Jack's generation of Earthlings, cause that would really spoil Jack's specialness. Yeah, Jonas is just a freak...

You know, after watching Fragile Balance, you have to ask yourself, is Jack one of only a select few humans who could use the knowledge of the Ainctients? As you can see, I'm really into the whole backstory of Humanity aspect of Stargate, certainly more so than the tired "Fighting the Gou'auld" aspect. I also hope that the new Movie is about the SG-1 characters, and resolves all the Storylines opened up in the Series.

In the episode "Frozen", in season six; they found Ayiana in Antartica. She millions of years old, i think was an Ancient.

Yes, that would make a lot of sense if she was an ancient. This would link to the theory of human evolution having happened before in Earth, millions of years ago and seems to fit quite well... I wonder if we'll see this brought up again? Some kind of follow up may be interesting...

However, it's also possible she just came through the gate from some random planet.