I only have one thing to say about this episode. Damn that Wraith makeup! Connor Trinneer is a hottie and I want to see more of him without the makeup and preferably without a shirt.

No, seriously - he needs to be made a regular or at least a fairly regularly recurring regular. Try saying that three times in a row, and take note Dr. Beckett - it's recur, not re-occurring. Anyway, I didn't get to see the last half because of a bleedin' phone call, but the plot definitely looks twisty turny enough for some follow-on episodes. Don't forget TPTB - more human Michael time. Shirt optional.

And do something with Shep. Losing. interest. fast.

Edit: Whoops! Sorry, posted that in the wrong thread, but my super powers enabled me to move it to the correct place and delete the old one. It's good to be

This post has been edited by Sighfienerd: Jul 21st 2006, 11:03 PM

Good episode I guess, it was better than SG-1's ep for tonight. Why did they even try to control two hundred human formed Wraith, they barely controlled Michael, Live and Learn I guess too bad the Atlantis team doesnt know anything about it.

Beckett!!! Ironically, they are the two people I nearly killed....

Weir is still a firecracker... Ya know, I am beginning to really like Mr. Woolsey.

Not such a bad episode, although I am curious to know the fate of Michael, once again our enemy...

Ok... So First we got Ancient war ship which could have given us little advantage over the Wraiths
but we sent it to fight the Wraiths even though it was far from battle ready... So we just wasted all
the drones it had and everything we could have learned from it...

And then we got Wraith hive ship which we could have studied and we could have figured out the
beam jamming system and become able to nuke the Wraith hives at will... But no no no. Again we
sent this barely operational ship to meet the Wraiths and of course we lost everything AGAIN...

I wonder what happens next... Are we going to get our own ORI ship and blow it up too ??

I thought this was a good episode. Not totally a loss. But i didnt agree with putting the wraith on that planet...it used up personnel which could have been making repairs and things.
Im gonna miss Michael...oh though i still cant figure out why the Wraith move their heads so much.

This post has been edited by Christy: Jul 22nd 2006, 10:20 AM

Dam im angry on those writers, why do they have to destroy all the cool ship they get, but otherwise it was a good episode. They should have told us more how Weir got back on Atlantis and i dont understand how in the past Zpm was deplited when they dialed another galaxie but now they are dialing Earth all the time.
And how could a nuke be so easly disarmed by a wraith that probably never before have seen one, i would think that that is a little more complicated.
I hoped that Woolsey will stay a little longer on Atlantis like a year or at least 6 months!!

They did explain how Weir and Woolsey got to Atlantis. The Asgard shuttled them, shaving 2 weeks off their trip. Didn't you pay attention?

As for the ships, they had no choice. With the ancient ship, they HAD to catch up to the wraith before they were unreachable. And yes, they knew they were almost assuredly committing suicide. With the wraith ship, they KNEW they weren't able to take on another wraith hive, but they were hoping to get there before the other hive did so they could get their people and destroy all the humanized-wraith. Of course, it didn't work out that way.

But in both situations, they made the right decision.

Nice to see Michael again really cute guy .. the long haired dudes seem a little less interesting wihtout the wraith make-up .... they look better when their bad Nice interraction between Shep and Weir
However i'm not very found of the ideea of turning wraith into humans then easily abandon them as war casualties .... true they would've been a usless burden but still ... they made them human, they have a responsability... and no one seems to care about that except for dr. Beckett ... i mean they saw what happened to Michael, those kind of hybrids could never fit in either worlds... I'm really looking forward to see how this will turn up and if Michael got off that planet somehow.

In the Orion case I can agree that they didn't have much choise (They had to stop the
Wraiths from reaching earth at any cost...) But in this Hive ship case I say they wasted
that hive for nothing...

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And that drug doesn't even work... Those "Wraith humans" may look little like humans
but the Wraith is still in there (Its only suppressed) Even if they would make that drugs
effect seemingly permanent the Wraith will still be there... And they can never be sure
if the change is truly permanent so they can never trust them...

This post has been edited by ALIEN_JL: Jul 22nd 2006, 1:10 PM

A nice conclusion to the Season starter. I thought Michael would have been treated better than he was, but actually it was better this way. I have a feeling that the Wraith colony on that planet escaped and will pose a great threat in the future.

In other news... Expected, expected. Wraith Hive-ship went k-boom. Unexpected, unexpected, Teyla being the only one that can pilot the ship. They can make good use of this so called Wraith gene in the future, if they really know how.

Ok episode i liked the whole wriath killing bit with the sneaking part. Really starting to not like Carson, what a "moron". Then again i would of killed them from the beginning. That bit with Ronon and Micheal where Micheal goes are you going to be my excutioner and Ronons like "I WISH". That was good. The only thing i really really didnt and dont like about stargate atm is Richard bloody Woolsey. It is me but i just hate that guy SO MUCH. why is he in like every episode. Parts with him in just bring both shows down. Have him killed off PLEASEE!!!!

I can't help having a lot of sympathy for Michael after the last few episodes, poor bloke has been kidnapped, experimented on and mutated, ostracised, betrayed twice, experimented on again and then suffered an attempted nuking

And nobody seems concerned about this apart from Beckett. Has it really not occurred to anyone than genetically altering a sentient race against their will is perhaps not acceptable practice? Not defending the Wraith but that doesn't mean they should have carte blanche to do whatever they like to them

I hope we don't see any more ships destroyed for a while, it starts getting repetitive no matter how well explained

Don't the Asgard have better things to do than shuttle humans around?
Was there any mention of how the Daedalus was retreived?

can anyone please tell me whats going on with the timeline between the 2 shows.. iam totally confused.. did the events in 302 occur after or befroe 1002 ?

also don;t you guys think that atlantis is taking a darker turn than sg1? i mean they basically started to play god and didn;t care about killing over 100 civilians whom they created

It could be anyone of them... It could be before 1002, it could be after it... Point is that 1003 will surely happen after 302. That is the only thing we know for sure. The fact that the shows are not connected so much except for the beginning and end of seasons makes their timelines distinct. Normally we would assume that 1003 happens before 303, 1004 before 304, 1005 before 305, but there is no way to know for certain.

Okay, Morpheus on SG1 and Misbegotten on Atlantis were both written by M & M, and the Atlantis episode wins hands down. At least this episode made sense, and it wasn't starring Mckay. I love Beckett and his humanity.

I knew not to trust Michael right off the bat, but I didn't care. It was still a good story. I have a hunch that Michael will somehow survive. He's a great character.

We already know that he cannot go to the Wraith, and he cannot be with the humans. I know that they used their connection/telepathy to reach the other hive ship, but did you notice at the end, when Michael said that they would wait for the other Wraith to come and rescue them? They all looked at Michael and walked away. So I'm still thinking he cannot go with the Wraith. Even though the same thing happened to them, they are still going to ostracize Michael.

I loved Shep's call to nuke the planet, to fire on the planet. They couldn't let them survive.

My only question, where did the puddle jumper come from? I missed that. I thought they had used the hive ship to bring the 200 and to leave the team and Beckett. Then Shep with Teyla's help used the hive ship to return to rescue them. So where was the puddle jumper?

Finally they used Teyla's Wraith DNA for something. It only took 2 years and some months.

They used the PJ they had inside the ship. When it was in Atlantis' orbit, they transported a PJ aboard the hive ship, and they used it to rescue Beckett, transport the nuke, and save themselves.

My question to this: I thought the dart bay was destroyed in No Man's Land... and even caused secondary explosions. Did they manage to repair it that fast to bring a PJ?

I wish the episode had more action, like a big ground fight on the planet with the wraith or something.

Pretty good ep, though I like the last one better. I don't suppose that is the last we will see of Michael. Can't wait for both SG1 and Atlantis's next episodes they both look good.

YAWN. If SGA ended tomorrow I would not miss it. What a boring, boring episode. So predicable. Woosley won hands down. He is a great guy. Oh how I love bald men.

They said in 1002 they want to go to SGA so maybe this will take place next week and we shall see what the timeline is for the two shows. 8 days passed between 1001 and 1002 and Woosley was there for both episodes so...who knows.

Everybody's talking about being a sad ep because of all those ships that were lost. I'm just sad that they renewed Weir's job on Atlantis. When are they gonna FIRE her. She is so anoying that they wouldn't even show her traveling back to Atlantis on an Asgard ship, she is so anoying that even Woolsley wanted to leave her on Atlantis making sure that she doesnt "move her annoyance" back at the SGC. I think Teyla did a superb job on commanding while the "crazy lady" (aka weir) was away.

My thoughts exactly. That was my problem with this episode. They are just turning these Wraith into humans and it's like "Screw them! Not our problem. Kill them when we need to." From a strictly moral point of view it's very bothersome to me.

And Michael, like he helped damn it. They could have given him a chance. The other Wraith did not want him, but noooooo...We had to go and make him human again. I know it's for plot purposes, but it's just WRONG!

We know Michael is going to be back with a vengance..pun intended. I have a feeling that those converted Wraith are going to start posing a bigger problem than the non-convereted Wraith. Maybe they'll come up with a formula to convert humans to Wraith. Now wouldn't that be ironic!

BTW the actor who plays Michael...Did he have a part in Star Trek Enterprise?

This post has been edited by J&S4Ever: Jul 23rd 2006, 12:20 AM

Yes, it's Conner Tinner, and he was the second in command, and the one lead character that was killed. His character was a friend of the captain's. He also had a relationship with T'Pol.

Cool. I just saw a commerical for an upcoming episode of Enterprise and I thought I had seen him. Thanks!