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| Sighfienerd |
May 28th 2007, 1:38 PM
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Beyond here there be dragons Group: Donating Members Posts: 1,387 Joined: December 4th 2004 From: Beyond "here" Member No.: 7,150 Gender: Female |
It was just really funny, like one scene where mckays explaining the device to sheppard and he's just doing something else in the background and not paying attention was quite good to see. I think the thing about Sheppard is that he's just as brilliant as McKay but prefers to maintain the facade of being this kind of laconic, laid back, fly boy. The first episode of Atlantis had Sheppard turning down Mensa and then we've seen other flashes of his intellect (such as when he beat McKay at chess). The character of Sheppard deliberately downplays that aspect of himself and he may well have not even really needed it explained. |
| Revan |
May 28th 2007, 4:26 PM
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Dark Lord of The Sith Group: Moderators Posts: 4,455 Joined: February 1st 2006 From: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.A., Terra Firma Member No.: 11,056 Gender: Male |
I think the thing about Sheppard is that he's just as brilliant as McKay but prefers to maintain the facade of being this kind of laconic, laid back, fly boy. The first episode of Atlantis had Sheppard turning down Mensa and then we've seen other flashes of his intellect (such as when he beat McKay at chess). The character of Sheppard deliberately downplays that aspect of himself and he may well have not even really needed it explained. There was the time that McKay was ranting about the number of order permutations for a set number of gate symbols. He was saying that there were so many, and Sheppard all of a sudden gave the exact number and asked McKay to get moving. They never really explored Sheppard's intellect, which, from what we can tell, is not small. They should put him in a situation without McKay and have him figure something out. |
| Dafmeister |
May 28th 2007, 5:10 PM
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General Group: Moderators Posts: 11,926 Joined: April 10th 2003 From: North Wales, UK Member No.: 1,340 Gender: Male |
TPTB referred to how intelligent Sheppard was in 'McKay and Mrs Miller'. It was his and Rod's idea to sent Rod through the subspace bridge and later Rod says that his Sheppard is a member of Mensa and constantly reminds people of his intelligence.
"Our" Sheppard is as intelligent but is more subtle about it. |
| Revan |
May 28th 2007, 5:42 PM
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Dark Lord of The Sith Group: Moderators Posts: 4,455 Joined: February 1st 2006 From: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.A., Terra Firma Member No.: 11,056 Gender: Male |
TPTB referred to how intelligent Sheppard was in 'McKay and Mrs Miller'. It was his and Rod's idea to sent Rod through the subspace bridge and later Rod says that his Sheppard is a member of Mensa and constantly reminds people of his intelligence. "Our" Sheppard is as intelligent but is more subtle about it. I don't think it is subtlety. I think he is either very modest, or has no interest in filling the role of 'genius'. |
| IndyJan |
May 28th 2007, 6:38 PM
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Lieutenant General Group: Donating Members Posts: 5,356 Joined: July 17th 2004 Member No.: 5,622 Gender: Female |
I don't think it is subtlety. I think he is either very modest, or has no interest in filling the role of 'genius'. I do believe it's done on purpose. They did the same thing with Jack on SG1. Even Cassandra who is very intelligent reminds Janet about Jack, "why does he let people believe that he's not intelligent," from Season 5 Rite of Passage. I think both of these men are military men and they do it because they want to keep people off-guard. They want to catch them out, have them divulge stuff they normally wouldn't. But both are intelligent. |
| Revan |
May 28th 2007, 6:41 PM
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Dark Lord of The Sith Group: Moderators Posts: 4,455 Joined: February 1st 2006 From: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.A., Terra Firma Member No.: 11,056 Gender: Male |
I do believe it's done on purpose. They did the same thing with Jack on SG1. Even Cassandra who is very intelligent reminds Janet about Jack, "why does he let people believe that he's not intelligent," from Season 5 Rite of Passage. I think both of these men are military men and they do it because they want to keep people off-guard. They want to catch them out, have them divulge stuff they normally wouldn't. But both are intelligent. AHHH it is tactical. When somebody considers you less important, not an equal, they will act differently towards you than they would otherwise. They want their enemies to make mistakes that can be exploited. Mistakes made because of over-confidence. I had forgotten about that. |
| IndyJan |
May 29th 2007, 1:00 AM
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Lieutenant General Group: Donating Members Posts: 5,356 Joined: July 17th 2004 Member No.: 5,622 Gender: Female |
AHHH it is tactical. When somebody considers you less important, not an equal, they will act differently towards you than they would otherwise. They want their enemies to make mistakes that can be exploited. Mistakes made because of over-confidence. I had forgotten about that. I knew that I could remind you about something! |
| Invisible Painting |
May 29th 2007, 4:57 AM
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Lieutenant General Group: Members Posts: 6,340 Joined: November 29th 2003 From: Aberystwyth, Wales. (And sometimes London) Member No.: 2,819 Gender: Male |
I don't think it is subtlety. I think he is either very modest, or has no interest in filling the role of 'genius'. Actually, I agree with this version. I just think he doesn't care about filling in that role, he know's he's got people like mckay and zelenka there, he isn't needed in that 'role'. He's more interested in the military side of things, he want's to be the best at that. He just doesn't have that natural desire to be the best on the mensa front. While that annoys mckay because he's alwasy trying to be that. |
| Dafmeister |
May 29th 2007, 6:20 AM
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General Group: Moderators Posts: 11,926 Joined: April 10th 2003 From: North Wales, UK Member No.: 1,340 Gender: Male |
I don't think it is subtlety. I think he is either very modest, or has no interest in filling the role of 'genius'. Of course it is subtley. TPTB have only hinted at Sheppard's intelligence a couple of time in the entire show. If they wanted him to be modest about his intelligence they would have him acknowledge it first but he hasn't done that. |
| startreksuite |
Jun 4th 2007, 10:23 PM
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Senior Airman Group: Members Posts: 115 Joined: March 26th 2005 From: Boston, MA , USA Member No.: 8,622 Gender: Male |
What a great episode! We got a chance to see Rodney fulfill his potential, as Super Rodney! It was cool how he was able to stop his Ascension. His super ego was truly his super power!
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| Lancelot |
Oct 2nd 2007, 9:35 AM
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Chief Master Sergeant Group: Members Posts: 496 Joined: December 10th 2005 From: Ireland Member No.: 10,650 Gender: Male |
Daniel wouldn't have been much of a help because he barely remembers anything from his time while ascended and Chaya said in 'Sanctuary' that she was forbidden to help anyone not from her planet. Most likely because we've Sheppard and McKay together more often than we've seen McKay and Teyla. there are ways around the laws that govern chaya though and i'm surprised there hasn't been anything said about it.for instance if she was to give her people the knowlegde and have them share it with atlantis. then she is not directly helping atlantis. and the others couldn't stop her. |
| Revan |
Oct 2nd 2007, 11:38 AM
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Dark Lord of The Sith Group: Moderators Posts: 4,455 Joined: February 1st 2006 From: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.A., Terra Firma Member No.: 11,056 Gender: Male |
there are ways around the laws that govern chaya though and i'm surprised there hasn't been anything said about it.for instance if she was to give her people the knowlegde and have them share it with atlantis. then she is not directly helping atlantis. and the others couldn't stop her. I don't agree. If she gave her people the knowledge she would be breaking the rules. They lived in a fairly primitive society. |
| Dafmeister |
Oct 2nd 2007, 1:44 PM
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General Group: Moderators Posts: 11,926 Joined: April 10th 2003 From: North Wales, UK Member No.: 1,340 Gender: Male |
there are ways around the laws that govern chaya though and i'm surprised there hasn't been anything said about it.for instance if she was to give her people the knowlegde and have them share it with atlantis. then she is not directly helping atlantis. and the others couldn't stop her. She said she was punished because she interfered and saved her planet from Wraith attack. Like Revan said, if she gives them information she will be interfering again and we have seen what happens when an ascended Ancient gives a less advanced civilisation knowledge. |
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