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| Dafmeister |
 Apr 30th 2007, 2:21 PM
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QUOTE(IndyJan @ Apr 30th 2007, 7:58 PM)  Stupid M&M! Once again, they have given us a totally wasteful, useless and unentertaining episode. Given that in his own eyes Mallozzi believes he can do no wrong when it comes to writing episodes, I wouldn't be suprised to see another M&M episode in season 4 with Lucius as the antagonist. |
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| Janos |
Apr 30th 2007, 4:24 PM
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Posts in his underwear  Group: Donating Members Posts: 3,814 Joined: July 1st 2004 From: Seriously, I'm probably partially clothed atm! Member No.: 5,403 Gender: Male |
But they only dunked his head in the water.....
That's like what... 20% of the total shield area? Even if there was no air around his head, there should have been plenty of air coming into the shield all around the rest of his body...  |
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| KillerMarv |
Apr 30th 2007, 4:43 PM
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Major General Group: Members Posts: 3,441 Joined: April 7th 2006 From: Bucharest, Romania Member No.: 11,622 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(Janos @ May 1st 2007, 12:24 AM) But they only dunked his head in the water..... That's like what... 20% of the total shield area? Even if there was no air around his head, there should have been plenty of air coming into the shield all around the rest of his body... It depends how far the shield is from the skin. It would be easy for him to breathe even if there is no space at all. But with no space at all, air couldn't circulate under the shield. |
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| Revan |
Apr 30th 2007, 5:51 PM
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Dark Lord of The Sith Group: Moderators Posts: 4,455 Joined: February 1st 2006 From: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.A., Terra Firma Member No.: 11,056 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(Shylodog @ Apr 30th 2007, 12:16 PM) While this probably makes immense sense to you rocket scientists, can you understand where those of us laymen are getting lost in translation? You say he can be bent over into a bucket, because force cannot be denied, however why wasn't he forced into a prove position (albeit physically uninjured) by that heavy load that was dropped on his head. It's the same type of physical force which should be acting upon the shield in the same way, it's just varying degrees of force.  We already know this personal shield is not like the Goa'uld one where slow moving obects can pass through, so my point is that (being the layman that I am) I cannot understand why a small force against the force field would have a greater effect on the protected than the greater force.  I mean, ultimately I have the answer: dramatic effect in a scifi show.  Technology that advanced would have to differentiate between a hug and a baseball bat, to conserve energy, and to react in a protective manner. Getting hit by a bus, you would get thrown, but not injured... it is all in how the technology absorbs the blow. You can't deny the kinetic energy of a moving bus, but the inertial dampener can soften the effects inside the protected area. |
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| Janos |
Apr 30th 2007, 6:37 PM
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Posts in his underwear Group: Donating Members Posts: 3,814 Joined: July 1st 2004 From: Seriously, I'm probably partially clothed atm! Member No.: 5,403 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(KillerMarv @ Apr 30th 2007, 3:43 PM) It depends how far the shield is from the skin. It would be easy for him to breathe even if there is no space at all. But with no space at all, air couldn't circulate under the shield.  Well, look at his arm. His elbow is bent out in a Peter Pan stance. And the shield covers all the space between his elbow and his side. So, it obviously has enough space between him and the shield to provide air if just his head is underwater. |
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| KillerMarv |
Apr 30th 2007, 6:48 PM
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Major General Group: Members Posts: 3,441 Joined: April 7th 2006 From: Bucharest, Romania Member No.: 11,622 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(Janos @ May 1st 2007, 2:37 AM) Well, look at his arm. His elbow is bent out in a Peter Pan stance. And the shield covers all the space between his elbow and his side. So, it obviously has enough space between him and the shield to provide air if just his head is underwater. Well now... This could all be a mistake made by the CGI fellows... Or you could be right, and I need to go to bed.  |
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| IndyJan |
Apr 30th 2007, 9:20 PM
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Lieutenant General  Group: Donating Members Posts: 5,356 Joined: July 17th 2004 Member No.: 5,622 Gender: Female |
Okay when Rodney had one during season 1, no one could touch him. This time, no one could touch Lucius at the beginning, so how the heck did they get a hold of his neck and be able to dunk his head? This makes no sense, but then once again, it's M & M!
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| Revan |
May 1st 2007, 1:25 AM
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Dark Lord of The Sith Group: Moderators Posts: 4,455 Joined: February 1st 2006 From: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.A., Terra Firma Member No.: 11,056 Gender: Male |
I see the shield covering his arm and his torso, with empty space in between... or am I wrong?
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| Janos |
May 1st 2007, 1:34 AM
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Posts in his underwear Group: Donating Members Posts: 3,814 Joined: July 1st 2004 From: Seriously, I'm probably partially clothed atm! Member No.: 5,403 Gender: Male |
I was looking at it earlier... I swear I can see a green tint to the space...
But even if there's not, you can see the edge of the shield is away from the edge of his body. You can see where his elbow is in that pic, and if you try to fit that in with where his hand is, there's too much shield for it being right against him. |
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| Revan |
May 1st 2007, 1:46 AM
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Dark Lord of The Sith Group: Moderators Posts: 4,455 Joined: February 1st 2006 From: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.A., Terra Firma Member No.: 11,056 Gender: Male |
Well the shield couldn't be directly on his skin... wouldn't do him much good...
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| JTMAG1 |
May 1st 2007, 9:25 AM
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The Last Shogun Group: Members Posts: 3,889 Joined: August 28th 2004 From: Long Beach, CA USA Member No.: 6,251 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(Revan @ May 1st 2007, 1:46 AM) Well the shield couldn't be directly on his skin... wouldn't do him much good... Exactly, you would need some space for the dampening effect. |
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| Janos |
May 1st 2007, 11:40 AM
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Posts in his underwear Group: Donating Members Posts: 3,814 Joined: July 1st 2004 From: Seriously, I'm probably partially clothed atm! Member No.: 5,403 Gender: Male |
Which means there should have been plenty of space throughout the other 80% of his shield to provide him oxygen when the 20% or so of his head was under water.
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| KillerMarv |
May 1st 2007, 12:28 PM
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Major General Group: Members Posts: 3,441 Joined: April 7th 2006 From: Bucharest, Romania Member No.: 11,622 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(Janos @ May 1st 2007, 7:40 PM) Which means there should have been plenty of space throughout the other 80% of his shield to provide him oxygen when the 20% or so of his head was under water. Not necessarily. We know that air enters the shield, but what stops us from saying it can't get out as well. It would be impossible for air to get to his submerged head, if it would simply enter the shield and get out immediately after that. This post has been edited by KillerMarv: May 1st 2007, 12:28 PM |
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| Janos |
May 1st 2007, 3:47 PM
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Posts in his underwear Group: Donating Members Posts: 3,814 Joined: July 1st 2004 From: Seriously, I'm probably partially clothed atm! Member No.: 5,403 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(KillerMarv @ May 1st 2007, 11:28 AM) but what stops us from saying it can't get out as well. Diffusion.  QUOTE It would be impossible for air to get to his submerged head, if it would simply enter the shield and get out immediately after that. If air gets in, it wouldn't follow a straight path out. Air's a fluid and it would diffuse through open space. Air would be entering and exiting all the time (otherwise he'd have CO2 poisoning). So the CO2 and Oxygen in the air would diffuse in the free space between the shield and his body. |
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| Revan |
May 1st 2007, 6:14 PM
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Dark Lord of The Sith Group: Moderators Posts: 4,455 Joined: February 1st 2006 From: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.A., Terra Firma Member No.: 11,056 Gender: Male |
The shield doesn't block air. But then, he was freaking out pretty nicely, so Lucius might not have been trying to breathe... he was a bit dull.
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| bostjan91 |
Aug 19th 2007, 2:39 PM
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Airman First Class  Group: Members Posts: 82 Joined: May 22nd 2007 Member No.: 13,905 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(Revan @ May 2nd 2007, 1:14 AM) The shield doesn't block air. But then, he was freaking out pretty nicely, so Lucius might not have been trying to breathe... he was a bit dull. I think that this is a most possible explanation. P.S.: Why didn't they get rid of that guy, he's only makeing trouble. |
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| Dafmeister |
Aug 19th 2007, 4:16 PM
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General Group: Moderators Posts: 11,926 Joined: April 10th 2003 From: North Wales, UK Member No.: 1,340 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(bostjan91 @ Aug 19th 2007, 8:39 PM) P.S.: Why didn't they get rid of that guy, he's only makeing trouble. The Atlantis team don't go around killing the annoying guys, just the bad guys. I wish he had been killed but it pretty much would have been murder. |
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| KillerMarv |
Aug 19th 2007, 4:19 PM
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Major General Group: Members Posts: 3,441 Joined: April 7th 2006 From: Bucharest, Romania Member No.: 11,622 Gender: Male |
QUOTE(Dafmeister @ Aug 20th 2007, 12:16 AM) The Atlantis team don't go around killing the annoying guys, just the bad guys. I wish he had been killed but it pretty much would have been murder. But they can still pretty much "kill" him. By not showing him ever again... And it won't be murder. |
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| Dafmeister |
Aug 19th 2007, 4:29 PM
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General Group: Moderators Posts: 11,926 Joined: April 10th 2003 From: North Wales, UK Member No.: 1,340 Gender: Male |
True but I would have prefered Lucius suffered a physical death rather than a metaphorical death.
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| bostjan91 |
Aug 20th 2007, 2:21 AM
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Airman First Class Group: Members Posts: 82 Joined: May 22nd 2007 Member No.: 13,905 Gender: Male |
I didn't think that way, just do something that they have no problem with him again
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