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post Feb 2nd 2007, 8:06 AM
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QUOTE(flash3389 @ Feb 2nd 2007, 5:33 AM) *

Which episode are you talking about. The one where T'qeal got that dragon fly thing on his back or the episode where the ritua (invisible bug guys) invaded sg-1.


I believe the relevant episode is "The Scourge", episode 17 of the 9th season, but I do not remember what kind of extermination method they were talking about. Nerve gas, maybe?
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post Feb 3rd 2007, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE(Gebosowulo @ Feb 2nd 2007, 2:06 PM) *

I believe the relevant episode is "The Scourge", episode 17 of the 9th season, but I do not remember what kind of extermination method they were talking about. Nerve gas, maybe?


Landry only said that they were working on a extermination method which would kill the bugs but leave the rest of live unharmed.
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The best part of this episode was still the beginning with Ronon teaching Rodney how to fight. "Are you weak?" 1.gif

The way Rodney was holding that stick, and of course the fact that Ronon had little mercy, even after Sheppard came in to talk to him about the Super-Volcano people, priceless. laugh.gif
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post Feb 4th 2007, 4:35 PM
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QUOTE(Gotanks @ Feb 3rd 2007, 10:04 AM) *

Landry only said that they were working on a extermination method which would kill the bugs but leave the rest of live unharmed.

They destroyed all the life on that planet's surrounding surface.


QUOTE(KillerMarv @ Feb 4th 2007, 4:49 AM) *

The best part of this episode was still the beginning with Ronon teaching Rodney how to fight. "Are you weak?" 1.gif

The way Rodney was holding that stick, and of course the fact that Ronon had little mercy, even after Sheppard came in to talk to him about the Super-Volcano people, priceless. laugh.gif

Rodney looked terrible. He was all scared and rigid... its no wonder he was getting his ass kicked. laugh.gif
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post Feb 5th 2007, 7:09 AM
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QUOTE(Revan @ Feb 1st 2007, 5:04 AM) *

Its a name. For instance, I have a friend named Alexandra... not to be confused with Alexandria... names are different than other words.


Doesn't really apply here. Alexandria and Alexandra are two different names. Who do you know that's called "Koyla"? More specifically who in STARGATE is called "Koyla"? We knew who he meant, there really was no need to correct a simple typo.

If he had made the same mistake repeatedly however.....


QUOTE(Revan @ Feb 5th 2007, 8:35 AM) *

Rodney looked terrible. He was all scared and rigid... its no wonder he was getting his ass kicked. laugh.gif


Ronan attacking him while his back was turned probably didnt help either laugh.gif . But hey he's a scientist not a combat vet. What did you expect?

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post Feb 5th 2007, 11:21 AM
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QUOTE(Rogue Ashrak @ Feb 5th 2007, 7:09 AM) *

Ronan attacking him while his back was turned probably didnt help either laugh.gif . But hey he's a scientist not a combat vet. What did you expect?

I think he specifically attacked him while his head was turned to make a point. PAY ATTENTION!. He can't fight if he's not focused. Although he does seem to do his science that way.
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This epsisode was kinda nice, but some places it was not so good. Cmon, Super wraith - annother enemy to fight? Plus they should have kept them in the dark a little more they just look terrible when we got a look at them.

but that aside it was cool to see michael again even though its odd how he survived.

would rate it ** this week,
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What the hell was this episode for? I mean, I agree with Raxor....

QUOTE(Raxor @ Feb 5th 2007, 3:29 PM) *

Cmon, Super wraith - annother enemy to fight?


Were the wraith and the replicators just not enough enemies with insanely overwhelming power? Did we really need a new race of bad guys to deal with?

It seems like they're getting tired of writing for the Wraith characters... What was the last really good Wraith episode? Once the Replicators got into the picture, the Wraith seem to be taking a back seat.... I never liked the Replicators becoming a main bad guy because we already had a crapload of Replicator episodes in SG-1.... And now there's a new bad guy, WTF?
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post Feb 8th 2007, 2:21 PM
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QUOTE(Janos @ Feb 8th 2007, 4:03 AM) *

I never liked the Replicators becoming a main bad guy because we already had a crapload of Replicator episodes in SG-1....

It also irks me that they blatantly refer to them as replicators. I know that's what they are, but couldn't they TRY referring to them as Asurans?

This was an absolute snorefest. I like Michael less and less each time he pops up in an episode. It's true, they're just the Pegasus galaxy's version of supersoldiers...except with more spindly bits... ph34r.gif

I hope we don't see them again for a long, long time.
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QUOTE(Parmenides @ Feb 8th 2007, 2:21 PM) *

It also irks me that they blatantly refer to them as replicators. I know that's what they are, but couldn't they TRY referring to them as Asurans?

This was an absolute snorefest. I like Michael less and less each time he pops up in an episode. It's true, they're just the Pegasus galaxy's version of supersoldiers...except with more spindly bits... ph34r.gif

I hope we don't see them again for a long, long time.

Referring to them as replicators definitly bugs me too.
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post Feb 12th 2007, 5:31 AM
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i had some problem with this episode. Its not terribly bad, but not overall good either. In general, I just don't think the writing is that great this season for Atlantis, a bit weak for their standard.
few notable bit in this episode: it was sad that the whole race of ppl were eliminated due to SGA's mistake. they created Michael, which led to what happen.
Michael was sad as well, not accepting by both wraith and human, I am sure he would of be happy if SGA had never experimented on him. Ronon was right for once: "it was a bad idea".
The whole episodewas a little too dark, very hard to follow the action. But I did liked all the reference to Aliens smile.gif
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post Feb 18th 2007, 11:01 AM
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QUOTE(atlantisguy5000 @ Jan 30th 2007, 4:09 PM) *
Michael came back and was creating a race of "super wraith" bug things. We will defiantly hear from him next season.


Yes! Don't give him an inch!
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Another great episode. Michael seriously needs more screen time because he is a great antagonist for the team. The one thing I hope is that this episode has set up a story arc for season 4, a continuation is needed.
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Wouldn't say it was the best, but it was far from the worst.
Good to see michael back, he's one of the better characters or as Daf said "antagonist" for the team.

On any other week this would have beaten any average episode of SG1 i'd give it 6.5/10.
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post Mar 13th 2007, 5:42 PM
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A pretty average but fairly entertaining episode.

It seems a bit unlikely that Micheal managed to wipe out all of the volcano people so quickly, without them alerting Atlantis.
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post Mar 13th 2007, 5:54 PM
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QUOTE(JC1 @ Mar 13th 2007, 10:42 PM) *
It seems a bit unlikely that Micheal managed to wipe out all of the volcano people so quickly, without them alerting Atlantis.
If he removed the DHD control crystal as he did when Sheppard's team went to the planet, they couldn't have alerted Atlantis. Once he had them all in captivity, he could replace the control crystal and wait for others to come through the Stargate.
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post Jun 13th 2007, 4:44 AM
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When Mike and Shep were holding guns to each other's faces, I thought that Mike should not hesitate about it. For a Wraith it's not like it is terminal if they shoot second in a duel. However slow he could have been Shep would not have been able to shoot more than twice before he gets stunned and incapacitated.

And we have seen that no Master-Wraith have died with two shots. He would have healed and moved on and maybe even have a chance with the incapacitated Shep to have a taste.

I am not saying I wanted to be like that, just that it felt to me out of place.

Except of course if Mike being half human has difficulty healing as well as a full Wraith, being enough reason to give him a pause.

Overall a good episode, though I hope they will improve the bug soldiers on a future episode. I am not sure why they thought they were formidable, other than the fact that are scary big disgusting insects who want to kill you. But clearly I am not sure how they tried to do it, I saw one trying to move his head closer, suggesting that they rely on biting or kissing their enemies to make a kill (the kiss of death like the creatures from Harry Potter).

Their hand doesn't have sharp claws, there are three fingers and nails in the end and though the creatures are strong, doesn't seem to be stronger than an average marine. All in all not your typical killer monster. Shep was punched and tossed around by these creatures most and got up with no scratch on him, or even acting hurt.

I didn't like that they got off so unscratched. It doesn't quite bond well that a whole settlement of people and four marines have been taken out and them were fine, other than a cut on McKay's chin.

What I did like most was that they acted scared, which was very fitting for such an episode with the Alien references played out.
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post Jun 15th 2007, 9:21 PM
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I'm wondering if they brought Michael back as a major enemy because Connor Trinneer is more available since he's no longer a regular on any shows.

I kept waiting for Teyla's mental ability or DNA to be used in this episode. First, I thought if Michael was controlling the Super Bugs telepathically, so Teyla could do the same. Second, I thought the Iratus bug wasn't going to attack her because either it sensed her Wraith DNA or she could telepathically communicate with it.

It will be interesting to see a Wraith vs. Super Bugs battle.
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QUOTE(Rogue Ashrak @ Jan 31st 2007, 4:03 AM) *

A nice thought but doesn't seem likely. Unless they play with another AU ep. Which would be a cop out really.
Anyway, back to the ep. Wasn't too bad, but I cant help but think they've sort of regurgitated another SG-1 storyline....do these super-wraith things come across to anyone else as Atlantis's version of the Kull warriors?


That was my very first thought when the team discovered the creatures were created through experimentation and by the wraith (namely, Michael)! .......that is all I really wanted to say. tongue.gif

It sucks living in the U.S., everyone already has said everything that needs to be said once the episode actually airs for me:

1)Why call them super bugs? They seem to die rather easily, and they are terrible at killing. It seems that all they can do is knock down people and traumatize people with alien humping---don't ask. It's late over here at the moment---big arms and 'claws' (they seemed kinda of flabby when the first one got its arm chopped off).

2)The stand off between Michael and Sheppard. Why didn't Michael just shoot him since he's still part wraith, and it takes more than just one bullet (sometimes. I remember seeing headshots take out those guard/soldier wraiths in previous episodes) to take him out? He didn't NEED to lower his weapon.

Hrm.. okay, looking back at the only 2-3 points that I got, I didn't come up with -A LOT- of the same points.. but I'm slow at these things. I'm happy if I even get 1 idea that other people agree with.

Oh, and by the way, the questions above are just rhetoric. No need to answer them. smile.gif
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post Jun 16th 2007, 3:08 PM
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QUOTE(Reignfire @ Jun 15th 2007, 10:21 PM) *

I kept waiting for Teyla's mental ability or DNA to be used in this episode. First, I thought if Michael was controlling the Super Bugs telepathically, so Teyla could do the same. Second, I thought the Iratus bug wasn't going to attack her because either it sensed her Wraith DNA or she could telepathically communicate with it.


That's an interesting point I hadn't thought of. Then again, I was so busy wondering what the point of adding in the B Horror Movie cliches into the thinnest possible storyline they could imagine was.

Did love Rodney and Ronon's ah...practice? Can't really be called actual fighting when Rodney was getting his ass kicked.

Ronon did have a valid and very good point: Kill Michael. Sure, the writers didn't want him dead in case they brought him back (hopefully with a better script) but come on! Let's stun him and what? Bring him back to Atlantis for MORE experiments? Thereby making them just as bad as Michael. Oh, wait...they did that already. Which is fine but don't go all righteous on me with the better for humanity speech. No matter how you coat it, it's the same thing.

Ronon's point in killing what they created was the best argument they had this entire season and really showed the arrogance the humans have in this galaxy.
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post Jun 16th 2007, 6:57 PM
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What I liked about this episode is Michael, Michael and Michael. I have said all along he was so much better than the "normal" Wraith, who I just cannot stand. With Michael, we got shades of humanity, and what all humans sometimes live for, vengeance, in this episode.

I will admit I thought his creatures were somewhat lame. I think they would have been better shown more in the dark. Question, Michael allowed his creatures to feed on the people until they died. The Wraith feed on their captures until they die. The Wraith food, looks totally dehydrated. The creatures food just looked dead. So I'm assuming they don't feed off of them until there is nothing there.

I loved Ronon pointing out to Shep that he was against this experiment from the beginning. It was wrong and it didn't work. Ronon was correct. When it comes to the Wraith, I think the SGA people need to pay more attention to Ronon. He had been on the run from them for like 7 years I think. He has seen it all and fought so many of them. They need to listen.

Oh and once again, no mention of Beckett. I really hate this. He died, they move on. There is no mention of this man.
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QUOTE(IndyJan @ Jun 17th 2007, 12:57 AM) *

Oh and once again, no mention of Beckett. I really hate this. He died, they move on. There is no mention of this man.

Yeah, shows how important they thought of him on the show. If it was Sheppard or Mckay we wouldn't hear the end of it the whole next episode. I guess we didn't here, was dissapointed...

Agreed with you on the other points as well.
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I think it would have been more interesting if Michael could make his creatures more like Ellia.
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He would have needed young Wraith for that though. Given the Wraith no longer consider him one of them, it is unlikely he could get any.
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