Did they have a small budget for this one? They hardly really showed any effects, except for the midway station and some shots of the Daedalus and jumper. We didnt see; (1) the ancient ship, (2) the replicator ship, (3) the attack on atlantis. I know it's not essential to have a lot of fireworks but maybe the 2nd part has a much bigger CGI budget and we're in for a treat?

yeah indeed I was really dissapointed they didn't show the ship at all they could have even used the one they once found and just change some small details or summert cause this ship was of the same class(forgot the name).

So hopfully what they saved on the CGI budget for this episode will be added to the one for part 2

Didn't he say at one point that he was reading like a page per day?

Yeah, but still... If he was at page 27 in "Home", and we assume that two years have passed since then, he should have read roughly 365 x 2 pages since then. So he should be at page 757 now. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's more than a quarter of the book now isn't it?

Personally I keep wondering why they didn't go to that ancient tower from season 2, did the ancients ban them from atlantis or from pegasus


Didn't Rodney say that he believed the ship to be ancients possible Aurora class ship so maybe it isn't a aurora ship, it would explain the lower crew numbres

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I found the episode rushed. Their immediate evacuation of Atlantis seemed most unlikely as did the "goodbyes" between the members of the team who have been shown to be willing to die for each other. It just didn't ring true on any level. Additionally, I thought Weir's reaction was completely uncharacteristic. She's a fighter, not a whiner.

yep it seems as if all the budget has gone into the quest episode. This episode seemed strange... there seems to be a difference of character between the unascended alterans and the others. Go figure why the ori want to destroy them... i can sure understand their motives now! I can understand that they didn't wanted humans in their city at the least for a little while(considering the humans are not as advanced as them)... but they could have accepted the half(or part) alterans like sheppard, o'neill and beckett as some sort of liaison with earth. Just seems to me as if the writers introduced the ata gene just so someone could use that weapon platform.

Overall, I liked this ep. I really did.

The one thing about it I didn't like: I'm getting damn sick of the Replicators. In my humble opinion, they've long outlived thier coolness as a villian. Anyone else feel this way?

Oh, that and Sci-Fi still hasn't seemed to learn from their, "the bomb IS the building" mistake.

Elan

Superb episode. It seemed very short, and I strongly disliked the Lantian commanding officer...

Ronon lifting Shep up in the air was priceless. I liked Carson comforting Weir, who was not looking very organized.

And hey, now we know the status of Carson and Cadmin's relationship.

I don't like our rush to destroy Atlantis.

I do like those brand new guns.

If you think about it, I was happy that things ended up the way they did... Here's why. (speculation)

cornwalace thats a great idea !

and since these replicators, arent like the milky way one that use themselves to build stuff, these guys actually build stuff outta other materials, so no anti-rep thing, will destroy it

btw: if the reps used a ship to get there... wont the dadealus run into it when it comes outta hyperspace??

I noticed a few things about this episode. A big mistake and a little mistake.

First the little mistake:

Dr Weir likes WoW? What the hell is all that about? I mean, it's perfectly possible that she can like it, but when did the game even come out? 2004? Well it's 2006 now and she's been in the Pegasus galaxy for what, three years? So how the hell did Bill think that she'd even have played it? I thought he was supposed to be a genius...

And now onto the big mistake:

Replicators. They seems perfectly fine as the villain of this episode, but think about it. In episode 305, they didn't want to kill everyone, they wanted retribution against the Ancients for trying to destroy them. Which they were going to get by destroying Atlantis. So in this episode, why would they even bother to rewrite their base code to allow themselves to kill ancients? Last I checked, everybody in the galaxy (Even the universe) thought they were all dead, so what would be the point in adding that into their base code? This isn't even my main rant.

The main problem with this is, so what if they have Atlantis? First of all, they blew up the jumper, so why not just blow up Atlantis from orbit? If they just wanted retribution, they could've just hyperspaced in, blown everyone up and gone home, but no. They wait around and let Jack and Woolsey get a message off to Earth and THEN they stop them. So this makes them want to send a nuke. But why the hell would they do that anyway? If they're sending a nuke, they're going to kill Jack and Woolsey. So what difference would it make if they just ignored the situation? The Asurans don't want to blow Earth up, they have no interest in it as far as I've seen, they just want Atlantis destroyed. So why not just leave them to do their thing? The best thing would be what Sheppherd and the rest are doing. Actually trying to rescue Jack/Woolsey/Ancients, so they get their people back (Whatever happened to never leave our people behind?!) and gain another favour from the Ancients, so maybe they'll let us back into Atlantis.

Bah, a good episode, but the plot was just full of holes in my eyes.

Edit:

I knew there was another point I wanted to make and I remember just as I post. Ah well.

What's with these ARG's they've taken to defeat the Asurans? What guarantee do they have that they'll even be remotely useful? They were designed with Ancient tech, yes, but they were designed to fight an entirely different race of replicators, namely the SG-1 ones. We have no proof that they will be effective against the original Ancient created replicators.

This post has been edited by Jack_O'Neill: Sep 25th 2006, 9:30 AM

err jackoneill...

elizabeth is not a fan of wow.. its just an excused cooked up my mckay to distract bill to allow mckay to edit the list to enable them to steal the jumper...weir obviously has no idea whats shes talking about..

the question you should ask is why shouldn;t htey rewrite their base code? i mean anyone can pretend to be ancients and buy them by making the replicators check them out.. now they can just nuke any and all opposition..without having to id them first

second if you rewatch the episode again.. the ancients knew that the replicatoras are coming and they sent the jumper out to orbit to tell them to stop.. when the replicators destroyed the jumper, the ancients rasied the shields...the replicators didn;t have the element of surprise of sneaking up on atlantis... and htey showed their aggresion when they fired on the jumper...

also the ancients don;t want nay of the present atlantis occupier to be their liasion.. they are to emotionally attached.. thats why weir wasn;t offered the job.. the urge to stick their nose into things would be overwhelming.. thats why woolsley got the job,.

ps regarding. weir. and how sad she is.. you guys have to remember that she gave up everything to go to atlantis.. her boyfriend and everything.. when shes back to earth,, her only friends are those from atlantis.. and she went from being the one incharge of this amazingly advanced tech and is involved in day to day decisions that could effect the lived of billions to nothing.. tell me you wouldn't be upset if your favourite job is taken away from you

Yes, I understand she isn't a fan of WoW, my point was that since Bill is a genius, what with the whole being a scientist in the SGC, why didn't he work out that she could never have played it enough.

Second point: Anyone can pretend to be ancients.

Yes, this is true, however if anyone ever tried it, after spending some time with the "ancients", I think it would become clear to the Asurans that they weren't. Therefore, killing them would be back on the table in no time.

Third point: Ancients knew they were aggressive.

That could have worked, if not for the fact that the shield had to go up very quickly, which would mean that the Asurans had time to shoot Atlantis at least once (which I believe they did). Even if the shield went up quick enough, the Asurans still took control of the city in the end, so why didn't they just blow it up instead of taking over? Retribution is usually about blowing things up in cases like these (or so I'd assume, this is the first case like this I've ever heard of).

The rest of your post doesn't look like it was aimed at me, since I mentioned nothing about those things. I also happen to agree with the rest, so I'll leave it at that.

Yes, this episode was very good, but there were missing points...

1. The Ancient ship travelling at .999 the speed of light was rather blury and lacked the proximity of the speed of light.

2. The Ancients looked so un-Ancienty... They should be avery advanced race, come on... they were suppose to be using a large portion of their brain. Yet, their ways were so simple.

So looking forward to see more Jack in the second part. Jack always tended to be a great hostage in these situations, full of irony and humor...

Overall, good episode. But I had some major issues with the beginning.

Ok, "Ancients" show up and want Atlantis back. So they just hand if over, no questions asked?? I seem to remember another "race" of people who looked/walked/talked like Ancients for a while. Turned out they were replicators. This didn't happen all that long before this episode, so you would think said events would still be fresh in the Atlantis expedition's minds. Question the fact that they were real ancients. I was just waiting for the "ancients" to reveal that they were replicators the second weir and the rest of the expedition left atlantis ...

I didn't expect the Ancients to be so - boring!
What a let down.
I was looking forward to seeing Jack in Atlantis, but no action as the replicators take over Atlantis from the Ancients so I don't anticipate we'll much of Jack's rescue from his POV.

Did SG command forget to tighten security after the Baal incident?

Not being very knowledgeable in the area, I was confused about how after all these years relativity came into the story (I assumed it had been ignored all these years since it would drag the plot down), did the writers use relativity correctly?

SGC has some issues with security, but this is not be blamed here. The people who caused mayhem were members of the SGC and people who were on the Atlantis expedition.

Relativity was used rather well... Better than I would have expected. This was the first time a ship had such great sublight engines. But I don't think relativity is part of the story now... it was used now as a conveniant plot device. I doubt that they will use it again soon.

Sheppard did refer to the Ancients and their "new ZPM", though whether he meant "new to the city", or "new to the ancients" could ofcourse be debated. The exact words he used: . My first impression, in any case, was that the Ancients had made a new ZPM, or something like that (though on second thought, it was probably the ZPM their ship was speculated to be equipped with). But Sheppard's wording suggested a brand new ZPM.

i thought it was a really good episode. could have done with some more cgi but the story was good. the only thing that annoys me is those damn ancients. how come they're always so cocky and they always seem to fall on their arses!!!Besides, how long has it been since these new ancients left atlantis, surely the replicators they left behind were no where near as advanced as these ones. Good cliff hanger ending though.

As i live in the uk i have to download the episodes on itunes to see them first, any idea when the second part of the season kicks off.i'll have to twiddle my thumbs till then!!!

I thought this was a damn good episode. It might have lacked in the action department, but I think this is leading up to a cracking Part II.

I agree with fan_83 about Wier, she gave up a lot to do the Atlantis expedition, and it's a big change in her life, this would easily lead to depression for anyone, I don't care how much of a fighter you are. Also she wasn't a whinner before or after, so I don't know why you said that. She was just really withdrawn from the world it seemed, and that is exaclty how I'd have felt. Note that this is very different from the episode where she thought she was going crazy in a mental institution in so many ways that you can't really compare the two.

It seems no one else mentioned this, but it kinda seemed at least at first, that Carson was making some sort of pass on Weir. Or I guess the actor appeared a little creepy in that situations because it is so different from the typical situations the character is in. All together though, I loved seeing the personal-side on their lives when back on Earth.


That plot device of ATA gene makes such perfect sence though... it shows that humans are advancing and that there may have been inter-breeding among Ancients and early humans. I don't think that the ancients would care about it. To them both are almost equally less-advanced than they are so it shouldn't matter from their point of view.



Could you elaborate? That was kinda random. I think I know what you mean, but for those that don't...

Also do note that the SG-1 budget and the Atlantis budget are separate. (Someone, could have been you, mentioned that they put all the budget into "Quest", and this is just wrong.)


There are a few possiblities here. It could be the case that she actually heard about WoW comming out (it was long anticipated so she knew aobut it before leaving) and loves the game (or that genre of games, MMORPG) and requested it in a databurst fromt eh SGC in one of the communications which occured after it's release. I'm not sure of the timing but it could have been early enough to get a beta. Also are we 100% certain this episode is set in the *present* and not say a month in the future, or a year, etc.?

She could have acted like she didn't know much about WoW in an effort to pretend she was interested in Dr Lee romantically. Or been distracted by McKay's progress.

Or! Dr Lee thinks Wier is hot (I know I do), and heard rumors that she liked WoW and it was him that didn't know what he was talking aobut and was trying to impress her.... and that she played along thinking to herself "this loser doesn't play WoW, like the l337 mage I am" (lol).

Okay so a more plausible thing is that the writers where trying to make Dr Lee out to be *such* a nerd that he actually somehow, due to some strangeness built a level 75 character through some hidden means or program Easter Egg. Becasue, I am sure that among all the many ppl involved in making the show that *someone* knew the level caps for that game. Moreover, he's a genious so it's possible for him to hack it to level 75. Lots of ppl I know hack a game to some extent, or "dup" items, or exploit some bug or anther (there where many since its release, although not as infamous as Diablo cheats).

Now going under the assumption that Wier doesn't play. I'm sure Dr Lee had his supiscions since the beginning, and was just testing her all along. Maybe he was so caught up talking about himself that he ignored the "mage as a race" thing. Maybe he was thinking that this chick reall digs me and is trying to find some way of talking to me. Maybe he's an optimist that way!

Eh... the whole conversation sounded really patronizing both ways, so who knows!


Maybe McKay did something to make it really easy for them to do so, so they did. Or they could have done so as they were going in to make it so that this type of haking could not happen again (them getting frozen temorarily), assuming they did, which I would try if I were them. "So what if they have Atlantis?" Well then we wouldn't have it!!! Duh... all that cool knowledge and technology to be found. Lots of cool things yet to be discovered lying around the city... "Why not just blow up Atlantis from orbit?" For them it's a war. And history shows that people will first try to take something over and convert it to suit their needs before trying ot blow it up all together. This makes sence in terms of war stratagies.... damn I play too much Warcraft o_O. "They wait around and let Jack and Woolsey get a message off to Earth and THEN they stop them." Maybe Jack is just that fast, and there was little waiting invovled.

It could have been that they shot a projectile into the city that contained replicator pieces.... (you see where I'm going with this). Erm... such a thing could have even penetrated the city shields with what thy know about (essentially) their own technology.

"If they're sending a nuke, they're going to kill Jack and Woolsey." It's called triage.... sometimes you make the assumption ppl are dead (or as good as dead) already and then proceed with the next logical course of action. You are also makeing a big assumption about their intentions of Earth and the Milky Way... this is a dangerous assumption in fact.

"The best thing would be what Sheppherd and the rest are doing." Well that is certainly debatable. I would say no to it. I would instead say that: "The best thing for the writers/directors/producers to show the audience would be what Shepperd and the rest are doing". Ya see what I'm getting at.... what's best for the characters is not the same as what's best for the show. Doing what is right is not always best for the show either.


There is not enough information to say definitively about what the character ikes to do in her spare time. Although she did appeared unknowledgeable about it and it wouldn't suit her portrayed personality. There could have been some sort of reverse phycological thing going on there, in which Wier was trying to make Bill think she is interested in him when she is not by pretending to know less about things than she really does.


Okay well think about it. If they where Asurans than why not immediately shoot the Deadalus down when it saw them? How would the Asurans even know where to find them at that moment in time? How could they have known abot the intergalactic bridge project? McKay could have looked up that captain's name in the Ancient database along with any ship information the Ancient party could have provided them (that is relay it to Atlantis and have someone there do a background check). They can then proceed with quarying for information that post-dates last contact with the Asurans to see if they knew things that where more recent in their history. The Captian's parents names for example. Next we could send a person over there to run some sort of test to see if they are truely organic in nature... DNA testing is good enough probably. Use your imaginination, cuz the screen time was better spent showing other things.

Wait.... come to think of it... if the Asurans could have sent a ship way out there than why not one to Atlantis days earlier and attacked the city directly instead of going through the trouble of messing with Deadalous?


-Doug

The ship was travelling for 10,000 years. The Asurans would have sent such a ship a long time ago to reach the Milky Way to atack a race of people that they were not allowed to atack. This is a more plausible explanation to why that ship would have never been asigned as an Asuran ship. The Atlantis expedition members would have known that, and that is why there was no doubt for them that it was really an Ancient ship.

I was just commenting that I wanted to see, somewhere, someone questioning that they may not have actually been Ancients and may have been the reps. It would literally take a few seconds to have someone bring it up and then have some proof conducted in the background.