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| Revan |
Dec 23rd 2006, 3:57 PM
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Dark Lord of The Sith Group: Moderators Posts: 4,455 Joined: February 1st 2006 From: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.A., Terra Firma Member No.: 11,056 Gender: Male |
It only comes to me wondering how old could those civilizations could have been... When did the Ancients started to monitor their progress, so how old is the "game"? It is only fair to assume that it's more than 15,000 years old. But it can't be very old, since the Ancients wouldn't be able to communicate in that way with any civilization that is too primitive, because they wouldn't know how to use the device, and it would influence the development too much if they would have come personally to teach them. Well I don't think the Ancients initiated genetic tests on multiple worlds that would eventually create human life. That would have taken a long long time. I, personally, think they plopped humans down on these planets most probably. The whole process is logistically insane, each planet would have to be terraformed and adapted to support human life. Then humans would have to somehow be planted on each planet. Then they would have to wait until they were sufficiently advanced. I find myself wanting TPTB to explain how any of this was done. |
| JTMAG1 |
Dec 23rd 2006, 4:04 PM
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The Last Shogun Group: Members Posts: 3,889 Joined: August 28th 2004 From: Long Beach, CA USA Member No.: 6,251 Gender: Male |
Well I don't think the Ancients initiated genetic tests on multiple worlds that would eventually create human life. That would have taken a long long time. I, personally, think they plopped humans down on these planets most probably. The whole process is logistically insane, each planet would have to be terraformed and adapted to support human life. Then humans would have to somehow be planted on each planet. Then they would have to wait until they were sufficiently advanced. I find myself wanting TPTB to explain how any of this was done. I'm not sure the Powers that Be have an explanation as to exactly how that was done. EDIT: I take that back. Perhaps they would say, that the Ancients had some sort of device that they used in conjunction with the stargate that sent some sort of wave through, and created life in the galaxy? When you get to use your imagination, anything is possible This post has been edited by JTMAG1: Dec 23rd 2006, 4:06 PM |
| KillerMarv |
Dec 23rd 2006, 4:07 PM
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Major General Group: Members Posts: 3,441 Joined: April 7th 2006 From: Bucharest, Romania Member No.: 11,622 Gender: Male |
EDIT: I take that back. Perhaps they would say, that the Ancients had some sort of device that they used in conjunction with the stargate that sent some sort of wave through, and created life in the galaxy? When you get to use your imagination, anything is possible And yes, that IS a Dakara type device... |
| Pitry |
Dec 23rd 2006, 4:21 PM
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Colonel Group: Members Posts: 1,785 Joined: February 19th 2003 From: Israel Member No.: 745 Gender: Female |
Well I don't think the Ancients initiated genetic tests on multiple worlds that would eventually create human life. That would have taken a long long time. I, personally, think they plopped humans down on these planets most probably. The whole process is logistically insane, each planet would have to be terraformed and adapted to support human life. Then humans would have to somehow be planted on each planet. Then they would have to wait until they were sufficiently advanced. I find myself wanting TPTB to explain how any of this was done. Well, while it does seem like an impossible task, perhaps the Ancients were patient enough to start it? They did have millions of years, after all. |
| poundpuppy29 |
Dec 24th 2006, 12:23 AM
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Senior Airman Group: Members Posts: 134 Joined: October 23rd 2006 From: Mass Member No.: 12,703 Gender: Female |
This ep was ok. I loved the bantering between Sheppard and Rodney. I like that Weir said we are not qualified to do this absolute power corrupts. I don't think TPTB will explain more detail about this ep they will leave that up to us I think. I do think this is another example of why the Ancients don't help why they have that law.
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| klbro8 |
Dec 24th 2006, 3:14 AM
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Airman Group: Members Posts: 52 Joined: September 4th 2005 From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Member No.: 10,067 Gender: Male |
Any one else find it strange that the game was in real time but when watching on the console the game was running 4 or 5 times speed. All in all i found this episode boring and i left the room to do other things. Which i have never done before.
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| Revan |
Dec 24th 2006, 4:54 AM
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Dark Lord of The Sith Group: Moderators Posts: 4,455 Joined: February 1st 2006 From: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.A., Terra Firma Member No.: 11,056 Gender: Male |
I'm not sure the Powers that Be have an explanation as to exactly how that was done. EDIT: I take that back. Perhaps they would say, that the Ancients had some sort of device that they used in conjunction with the stargate that sent some sort of wave through, and created life in the galaxy? When you get to use your imagination, anything is possible Very witty. The device at Dakara re-wrote all life, because it had been exterminated. There was already life in Pegasus, and the Iratus bug is still around. Well, while it does seem like an impossible task, perhaps the Ancients were patient enough to start it? They did have millions of years, after all. I agree with that point. they had a long long time to seed the planets, they may have just sent science teams to go plant veggies. |
| KillerMarv |
Dec 24th 2006, 5:23 AM
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Major General Group: Members Posts: 3,441 Joined: April 7th 2006 From: Bucharest, Romania Member No.: 11,622 Gender: Male |
Any one else find it strange that the game was in real time but when watching on the console the game was running 4 or 5 times speed. All in all i found this episode boring and i left the room to do other things. Which i have never done before. It wasn't a real game actually... The console wasn't used to control the entire map, all the troops and things. It only served for giving instructions to the leaders of both parties. The satellite would then monitor the progress, and transfer data through sub-space in a discrete method (meaning from time to time). It also translated the imagery into symbols, and transmit the responses given by the two leaders. |
| NRJ |
Dec 27th 2006, 12:13 AM
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Staff Sergeant Group: Members Posts: 183 Joined: February 4th 2004 From: On my Mother Ship Member No.: 3,428 Gender: Male |
It seems to me it's been a while since we had a episode with the Wraith in it. Is Season 3 gonna be a season with less wraith episodes? seems weird to me.
Anyway this episode was err ok i guess, though far from being a good episode. I wonder if this episode has a perpose or would there be another episode related to this one in the future. Wasnt there an episode this week? I guess they took a holiday for Xmas week. |
| Revan |
Dec 27th 2006, 2:08 PM
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Dark Lord of The Sith Group: Moderators Posts: 4,455 Joined: February 1st 2006 From: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.A., Terra Firma Member No.: 11,056 Gender: Male |
TPTB probably realized that fans were not impressed by the Wraith, and decided to sit them on the back burner.
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| bigjohn_1972 |
Dec 28th 2006, 8:21 PM
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Brigadier General Group: Members Posts: 2,227 Joined: January 4th 2004 From: Ontario Canada Member No.: 3,135 Gender: Male |
I don't know if it was fans not liking them, because they are a really scary and good villain. But you need to have more than one villain, that's for sure!
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| JTMAG1 |
Dec 28th 2006, 8:45 PM
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The Last Shogun Group: Members Posts: 3,889 Joined: August 28th 2004 From: Long Beach, CA USA Member No.: 6,251 Gender: Male |
I don't know if it was fans not liking them, because they are a really scary and good villain. But you need to have more than one villain, that's for sure! Yeah, I agree. in SG1, the Goa'uld were the main enemy, but there were lots of other antagonists on other planets that they're travelled to. besides the Genii and the Asurans, we haven't seen much of that in 3.5 seasons. |
| dr lee |
Dec 29th 2006, 12:04 AM
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Lieutenant Colonel Group: Members Posts: 1,342 Joined: February 16th 2005 From: england Member No.: 8,109 Gender: Male |
Yeah, I agree. in SG1, the Goa'uld were the main enemy, but there were lots of other antagonists on other planets that they're travelled to. besides the Genii and the Asurans, we haven't seen much of that in 3.5 seasons. Weren't the Asurans brought in because TPTB were worried that the Wraith weren't turning out to be evil enough to carry the show on their own? |
| JTMAG1 |
Dec 29th 2006, 12:52 AM
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The Last Shogun Group: Members Posts: 3,889 Joined: August 28th 2004 From: Long Beach, CA USA Member No.: 6,251 Gender: Male |
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| canuck |
Dec 29th 2006, 7:42 PM
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Airman First Class Group: Members Posts: 62 Joined: December 19th 2006 Member No.: 12,925 Gender: Male |
I don't think they have delved into the Wraith enough. There are so many questions I can think of that have yet to be answered. But having more 'stuff' out there probably makes it easier to have good stories.
Like the ancients in early SG-1, they kind of just threw it out there and then years later it became a huge part of the show, and then another show! |
| Cobra186 |
Dec 30th 2006, 9:33 PM
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Civilian Group: Members Posts: 14 Joined: December 30th 2006 Member No.: 12,973 Gender: Male |
From what I understand, these episodes are being released in Canada right now? What station? Because I'm in Canada and I can't seem to find the station |
| Revan |
Dec 31st 2006, 1:24 PM
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Dark Lord of The Sith Group: Moderators Posts: 4,455 Joined: February 1st 2006 From: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.A., Terra Firma Member No.: 11,056 Gender: Male |
From what I understand, these episodes are being released in Canada right now? What station? Because I'm in Canada and I can't seem to find the station The Canadian schedule thread... OK I conceed it appears the correct sequence is as follows Canadian Movie Central 08th Jan 2007 - Atlantis 316 - The Ark 15th Jan 2007 - Atlantis 317 - Sunday 22nd Jan 2007 - Atlantis 318 - Submersion 29th Jan 2007 - Atlantis 319 - Vengeance 05th Feb 2007 - Atlantis 320 - First Strike |
| Pegasus Angel |
Jan 1st 2007, 7:22 AM
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Awakened... Group: Donating Members Posts: 610 Joined: February 13th 2006 From: Gibraltar Member No.: 11,176 Gender: Female |
I saw this ep a few days ago and thought it was fun...epsecially Zalenka and Lorne ending up fighting...
If you're into pc games the episode would be more entertaining, the possibilities of that device are enormous, dangerous too obviously, but I thought it was great. The plot wasn't that good, but still, a good episode imho |
| quiquito |
Jan 8th 2007, 4:10 PM
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I kill Mass-debators Group: Donating Members Posts: 1,386 Joined: November 27th 2002 From: Southampton Member No.: 7 Gender: Male |
I quite liked the episode overall. One thing I didn't like is that I felt that Sheppard got too much blame for escalating the situation. I felt that this was in large Rodney's fault (** don't all scream at me at once **). Sheppard did increase the Army, but I'm sure he wouldn't have done that if he knew it was real people. Rodney on the other hand, did give them too much technology, technology they weren't ready for, they advanced too quickly in such a short period of time. But what really got me was that Rodney was ok with his people invading Sheppards country to steal coal, and that he didn't want to negociate, and telling them that Citrus fruit was offensive. I found the citrus joke funny, but I would have expected Rodney or someone to say that it was ridiculus and that they should accept the fruit, since it's pretty much all Sheppard's people had to offer.
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| Major Gordon Sumner |
Jan 9th 2007, 7:22 PM
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Airman Basic ![]() Group: Members Posts: 24 Joined: April 25th 2006 Member No.: 11,699 Gender: Male |
Could tell me, what TPTB means, I see that all the time. I think it means The Power that Be, but what teh signification of that ? Thanks !
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| dr lee |
Jan 9th 2007, 7:36 PM
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Lieutenant Colonel Group: Members Posts: 1,342 Joined: February 16th 2005 From: england Member No.: 8,109 Gender: Male |
TPTB= The Powers That Be or in other words those behind Stargate making things happen |
| More Cowbell! |
Jan 10th 2007, 9:46 PM
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Technical Sergeant Group: Members Posts: 276 Joined: September 20th 2006 Member No.: 12,532 Gender: Male |
I quite liked the episode overall. One thing I didn't like is that I felt that Sheppard got too much blame for escalating the situation. I felt that this was in large Rodney's fault (** don't all scream at me at once **). Sheppard did increase the Army, but I'm sure he wouldn't have done that if he knew it was real people. Rodney on the other hand, did give them too much technology, technology they weren't ready for, they advanced too quickly in such a short period of time. . I don't know if we can say they advanced too quickly. They were't warring with themselves, and people seemed to be handling the advancements relatively well. Of course if he knew they were real people he (Rodney) would have negotiated in better faith as well. |
| glom |
Jan 16th 2007, 4:26 PM
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Airman First Class Group: Members Posts: 83 Joined: November 2nd 2003 Member No.: 2,673 Gender: Male |
47% Yeah the idea was cute and perhaps even had great potential, but it was just... like... yer know... kinda... whatever!
RETROCONTINUITY OF THE WEEK: So this game has been going on for years? You know... I mean... Well okay I suppose this needed an elongated backstory and such a puff piece wasn't worth planning in advance but still retconning is just annoying. RETRO FASHION OF THE WEEK: Ancient SimCity! RETRO PLOT ELEMENT OF THE WEEK: The pretty, dim aliens who believes the Tau'ri are gods on first arrival are a little repetitive now. RETRO PERSONALITY OF THE WEEK: Annoyingly dull and beligerent little, dim aliens are so season six of SG1. RETRO PHILOSOPHY OF THE WEEK: This game must have been invented before the Ancient Prime Directive came into effect. Maybe this game had something to do with that philosophy. Ooooh! Shame the idea wasn't explored in more detail. RETRO INTELLIGENCE OF THE WEEK: How many time do we have to tell you? Don't leave the bad guy alone with the supercomputer! RETRO ACTING OF THE WEEK: Retrograde that is! I don't like to blame actors because we have seen how a bad situation can bring out a bad performance from an otherwise capable actor (Episode III and Ewan McGregor for example). But the point remains, I was not enamoured with the guest stars this week. RETRO MORALITY OF THE WEEK: Yeah, war is bad. Who da thunk it? How about a more impressive allegory about the corruption of power. Yes perhaps a little too Milton Friedman for the Pacific West Coast. Or what about the mistake of believing that even with the best intentions, try to be a god will lead to disaster? Way too Milton Friedman for the Pacific West Coast! This post has been edited by glom: Jan 16th 2007, 4:32 PM |
| stalker0 |
Jan 22nd 2007, 5:47 PM
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Airman Group: Members Posts: 36 Joined: July 31st 2005 Member No.: 9,718 Gender: Male |
When I first saw the plotline for this episode, I thought "OMG, the weirdest idea ever." However, I just watched it, and I was pretty impressed by the ethical portrayal.
However, I think its interesting that Weir on the one hand says, "We shouldn't be interfering with them." and on the other, "We HAVE to stop a war between them." "War is bad" is an idea as much as anything else. As much as war horrifies us, it is as important a part of us as anything else that's human. War over resources and land doesn't seem so horrible when it ensures your children have plenty of farmland to live off of and plenty of resources for your children's children. |
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