i think it was a crap episode....

a bad ending for the first one

What did Michael do to Beckett? He had him captured and strapped to a chair and when he talked to him there was something like an echo, I think he talked to beckett's mind or something. A while later he said to the other wraith that 'He (beckett) has served his purpose'. Maybe they brainwashed beckett somehow?

My guess is that he probe his mind on a psychic level. Like Teyla did to gain access to a Wraith mind on one of the ships that was headed to Atlantis on S1 finale.

I was pretty bore for the first half of the episode, actually the first half hour, until the realisation that the wraith starting to rebel, and sheppard and the team arrived on the planet.

Woosley has been everywhere, does he have an identical twin, because he is been evaluating everyone, across galaxy, impressive.

Now turned Wraith into human, then destroying them, eventhough they don't have a choice considering the alternative, I still think killing the wraith in human form is quite shocking, I understand how Beckett feel

I enjoyed this episode. I enjoy all the episodes. But then, I am easily entertained. I will admit this was not one of the better episodes, but it kept my interest nontheless.

My only complaint...what the hell happened to the make-up or wardrobe department for this episode? (Who ever was in charge of the wigs!) Don't get me wrong, I LOVE this show, but in this episode, a bunch of the wigs were SO bad and SO fake looking that it was laughable. It made the show look like it was done by amatuers. I was really disappointed. Did they just run down the street to the local Spencers and grab a dozen white halloween wigs? Because that's what it looked like. They were so blatent, it was almost distracting. I know they have a limited budget, but come on. I really expected better.

Anyway, I also felt bad for Michael. (Which I think was the point. The writers wanted him to be a sympathetic character.) What the SGA team did was inexcusable. It really made them no better than the Wraith.

Really. I spent the whole episode waiting for them to finally realize that killing them was the right thing to do. They are infact wraith and even as humans they were too nosy for their own gd. Shame they were all too humain to blow them up before they had to sacrifice their hive ship.

How 'dark' are they going to make Atlantis? all the moral implications of effectively killing humans, yes de-wraith-ified humans but they are still humans none the less, are very interesting.

Beckett is getting better and better for me, his as the only moral voice in the whole show for me this season.

Hopefully that will be the last time we will have a Atlantis episode based on mostly earth for a while at least, hopefully not again this season. I'm not going to comment of if i want Wier gone or not as either way i'll have people having a go at me whatever i say.

Woosley is a strange character to work out. one minute he is for us then he is against us, i'll wait a bit longer to make my mind up on him

This post has been edited by dr lee: Jul 23rd 2006, 10:08 AM

How are they humans ?? They look like humans on the outside sure and maybe inside too but they
are clearly still Wraiths. (Their memories and true appearance isn't really gone... Its just that drug
that keep them suppressed...)

Wow, how could anyone not like this episode?? I enjoyed every bit of it!!

They finished the ubercrappy dewraithify story. That's a reason alone to celebrate. And most importantly, this episode was 100% necessary to shed more light on the moral implications of the usage of the drug.

And no, the Atlantis team didn't finish the story by just killing all the prisoners. I would have been deeply disappointed in the writers if that had been the case. No, they tried to fulfill the promise/good intention (call it what you will) that has been formulated in the episode Michael, to use this drug as a 'cure' instead of merely killing their enemies. Of course the idea was hypocritical to begin with; I hated the whole story arc; and I liked this episode because it made clear who the moral winner is. Michael. He sticked to his nature

• which is 'killing the weak'
• but also 'being truthful' and 'not betraying your allies, unless they betrayed you'

In fact, there was more moral substance to this episode than we've seen for quite some time... the only sad thing is that my respect for the Atlantis team has fallen to an all-time low. Can anyone tell me why they didn't develop a nerve toxin to simply kill the wraith?

Think about it, it's a total contradiction: On the one hand, it is recently stressed that 'tough decisions' can't be avoided in defense of earth. Dr Weir said 'at least I made a decision'. Fine. On the other hand, they feel bad about simply blowing up the Wraith ships, so they develop a drug to turn them into humans? Does that make any sense? And wouldn't it have been a hundred times easier to distribute a nerve toxin through the ventilation rather than the drug?

God I just hated it all, and I'm happy the team finally realized that transforming a society through this drug is not a working idea. Hypocritical morons.

Enough the rant.....

Michael did it to Teyla to escape Atlantis. He forced her to undo his bonds.

I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet, but why is Michael the only humanized Wraith that gets hair color?

The dewraith people with the wigs Reignfire were the ugly worker wraith. The ones with the shell on their face. There were others with short hair there. Also, it is writers liscense so that we know who is who in the episode.

For some reason, I thought the dewraithified warriors (the masked ones...or the shell on their face as you put it) ended up bald. Did anyone else notice that? the Wraith warriors are the big bulky guys and the big bulky guys that were dewraithified on the planet were all bald. Or all the ones I saw were. *shrugs*

But Reignfire, I did notice that with Michael. And I wondered that too. I also wondered why his skin tone was more peachy than green when he reverted back to being a wraith.

This post has been edited by Osy: Jul 23rd 2006, 7:30 PM

Could be. I wonder if the big burly man that had a pouty face and was bald was one of the shell faced warriors. They were about the same size. I wonder if the actor that played him also played the warrior in other episodes. His biceps and deltoids did not seem as defined those.

as far as i know.. as long as you keep on taking the drug and have a weak mind, you are basically a pure human..
what is the troubling aspect is that they basicallty killed the wraith personality when they administer the drug..thus creating a brand new human with some defects... and thus they should be treated as such..

i would have been better if they just create a neurotoxin in stead of this dumb cure

I put the difference of Micheal down to the fact that he has had two treatments of the drug and that they have affeted him much more than the other Wraith who have had only one dose.

i don't know if i was the only one to think this but during the scene in the de-wraith-ified wraith tent one of the big burly guys at the back looked to me to be PDL. Did anyone else see this?

They should have just put them all into the airlock and opened the outer door! Simple as that. Although, we would not have had this yawner of an episode if they had.

i'm finding the darker side of atlantis, dealing more with moral issues, to be very interesting. this is a problem we never had to deal with with the goa'uld. then the human hosts always wanted to be freed from the goa'uld inside them; but these transformed "people" are still wraith. the things the atlantis team have been doing lately, like changing michael even after he had helped us, nuking (or at least attempting to) a couple hundred innocent beings, and treating another species' very existence, as michael put it, like a disease....you have to wonder what right they have to do this. at the very least, some interesting moral questions are raised. i probably wasnt the only one who felt vaguely uncomfortable during michael's speech in Michael when he was forcing them to think about the way they were considering the wraith part of him a disease to be cured.

I had nothing wrong with the ep- I enjoyed it more than SG-1.
The storyline had a nice finish to it, but kinda predictable at the end with the PJ carrying the group.
Woolsey was great, he makes a good character.
Beckett was awesome, they made up for his disappearance from the last ep very well.

Yeah, I thought so too. What first caught my attention was his really bad wig. Then I thought to myself, that kinda looks like Peter DeLuise under that really bad wig. But after careful inspection, I concluded it wasn't him. The guy did look similar to him though.

I was kinda bored by this episode. Michael was the only character that kept any interest for me. I'm looking forward to seeing where they go this season, though.

Actually PDL has lost about 100lbs over the last year. I can show you guys a picture of him if you would like. I will try and go find it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vmf6rOmRnI...wder%20Stargate

There. You can see that it is impossible that that was PDL.

This post has been edited by Auntie Em!: Jul 24th 2006, 8:07 AM

I agree this episode was much better than the SG1s this week however i didnt find it predictable at all. Apart from the Humans going bad that was ovious.

I dont like woolsey i think hes got an annoying haircut .

Wow is that the same man Em?

Kinda makes it a bit more difficult to find him when he does appear eh?