Ehm... just outta curiosity (might be my own ignorance) why aren't there any puddle jumpers in the air to defend Atlantis? There must be a number of qualified pilots around to form a (small) line of defence...?

First off; Zelenka and McKay rule! For the drama I can understand why you need to kill a relatively known character, shame it had to be Grodin.

Ehm... just outta curiosity (might be my own ignorance) why aren't there any puddle jumpers in the air to defend Atlantis? There must be a number of qualified pilots around to form a (small) line of defence...?

Aren't there a very limited number of pilots for the puddle jumpers?  For one thing, you need the ancient gene to fly them, right?  And I doubt they brought that many qualified pilots with them as the mission planners had no way of knowing if any ancient ships would even be available.

In one of the episodes towards the end of season 1, where the Atlantis detect a Wraith Dart approaching Atlantis, we find out that they have very few people capable of flying the Jumpers. Sheppard was off world and Bates had to recruit Beckett to pilot one of the Jumpers along with two other pilots. In all they only had 3 people capable of piloting the Jumpers (4 with Sheppard).

i never said he couldnt, i'm sure up until that point he was still sending information, they mentioned that bit about not detecting bob sending any transmissions to the hiveships while he was on the city, well thats how he would have done it, and i'm pretty sure that once they remember that, telya will be comepletely vinidcated of leaking out info to the wraith

but all in all it doesnt change the fact that once he was caught and stuffed in a cage he couldnt find out any new intel on them that he hadnt already given the out to the wraith, and why didnt he tell the hiveships what weirs anouncment to the city was? well hes was stuned with the wraith gun a few times and was being shot to death by shepperd, its seems bob would be a little too distracted

bottom line, shepperd tortured bob for info to the point of bobs death, the sgc never did that with any of the goa'uld they held, heck the nid even remained civil toward the conrad symbiot(not that they havent resorted to torture), its shepperd crossing the line or at least bluring the normal conventions of the good guy(i'm in no way saying that i dont like the darker aspects the show is taking, just surprised)

yeh i agree

bottom line, shepperd tortured bob for info to the point of bobs death, the sgc never did that with any of the goa'uld they held, heck the nid even remained civil toward the conrad symbiot(not that they havent resorted to torture), its shepperd crossing the line or at least bluring the normal conventions of the good guy(i'm in no way saying that i dont like the darker aspects the show is taking, just surprised)

I was very sorry that they killed off Grodin, and wish that Kavanaugh(sp?) could have been the one instead but he's so full of himself he would not allow himself to pushed into a possible suicide mission like that. Also I wonder why Sheppard didn't just shoot the wraith in the head. I mean why only shoot the wraiths (and I do mean in all other episodes also) in the torso where they usually seem to have some sort of body armor? I know in this episode he was questioning him, but his last shot could have been "right between the eyes". I'm sure he's a good enough marksman.

Actually if you look at any show where weapons are used, most shoot the torso. They usually do not aim for the head, much too much blood and all that.

I totally agree about Kavanaugh though. He's a character that I do not like, but you have to have those idiots at times to make you appreciate the other characters.