Ohhh I have to say I liked that episode! SG 1 wasn?t in it ...and yet they were. I loved all those Flashbacks! Was good to see some old scenes!

I liked the President as well. He seems like a good guy and has humour! I hope he manages to keep the SGC safe.

I hate Kinsey! He could turn good and I would hate him! There?s just something about him that makes me shudder every time! Grrr! He can try as often as whe wants. He won?t be able to destroy SG1 and take the whole SGC! That man is *so* annoying! And I wonder what the he*l is really going on with the N.I.D. ...we always knew they were hiding something ...but I really get worried when I think of a possible "Kinsey-Goa?uld" conspiracy...and I kinda have the feeling that is going to happen. Kinsey and Anubis for example..ohhh brother! No, no. That are bad thoughts!

Oh and I?m really surrised to see that annoying Agent Woolsey turning into a ..somewhat good guy. I was actually quite glad as he turned up by Hammond and then brought the disc to the President. I?m curious where this is going...

Hehe. I really liked the part where they said there was more going on between Sam & Jack! Yeah sure, we all can read between the lines! But they have NO idea what really is going on! If they would know ...oh my! I?m glad that the bad guys can see that there?s more ...even if it?s not good tht they notice and use it for the bad....but at least it shows that the Shippers not the only ones who see the sparks flying!

I also liked that General who was on the side of Sg1 the whole time. Can see him working in the SGC as well. He?s a good guy!

Good episode!! Now I really can?t wait or The Lost City ...I?m so sure that will be a wonderful 2-Parter!

I thought it ended too soon.

It seemed like it ended too short too, but it's because it is really tied into the lost city finale. So it's like a 3 part season finale.

I enjoyed this episode alot, gives us alot of info to move on, good setup for the finale.

One thing that I thought was kinda weird in this episode tho. I thought that the 4 star general was a bit young. I thought they could have casted an older guy to play that role. I don't recall seeing alot of 4 star generals being in their late 30's or early 40's.

Aside from the people who read spoilers (anyone left?) did anyone else get the impression in 'heroes' that Kinsey was running for president? Was there ever a clue that he might just be a vice president? When I saw the opening scene, I was so happy that Kinsey didn't make it.

It mostly went downhill from there. I must say that the usual clip show includes clips that are 3 times as long as they need to be, and I was braced for some of that, and it didn't happen as far as I remember. The Woosley thing was the best part though, and that is pretty sad.
Woosley did a terrible job presenting the case though; even I could have done a better job. He was vague many times, and often didn't back up stuff. I thought the acting was ok; it was just the writing that was bad.

I can't believe that Hammond kept the floppy in an unlocked drawer! I know the chance of it getting found is low, but come on!

Also, how did it take so long for Woosley to figure out how bad the NID is? If he was half as into this conscience thing as it appears, he should have noticed a long time ago. He does strike me as very intelligent, so it doesn't add up to me. Any logical explanations?

Good ep... I like the storyline... but I will agree with the previous mention that 2 eps without the gate in a row!... bad writers bad!

The ending did come all of the sudden.

The funniest part I think... that this clips show was using clips of the previous clips show (disclosure)





SPOILER SPACE:

















Of course for those that know, Kinesy (or however you spell it... I'd check but gateworld is down)... will resign the VP spot and be doing something from the private sector in S8.

You don't need spoiler space in a discussion about an episode that is for people who have seen the episode.

And there are other sites that have the spelling of Kinsey's name... like, um, oh I don't know... this one?

You need at least 20 years experience to become a 4 star general, so technically, you could be in your late 30s/early 40s and be one. Though usually the most experienced generals are with the president, so I don't know what's going on there.

There are other and better sites out there other than Gateworld. Like this one, for example.

a few people I talked to about the Ep, were saying they thought Thor should "Beam" down to the Oval Office and relazing he has the wrong place, appologige to Hayes and ask for Directions to Kinseyes office, and mutter something about "pissing off the Asgard High Council once too often"

Well, I came into this one not expecting much...and it lived up to my expectations.

Not quite as boring and pointless as Disclosure, but close.

I know that TPTB were proud of the fact that they only had 20% clips in this clip show, but that's really not much of an achievement if you fill the remaining 80% with nothing but dialogue that runs around in circles repeating itself endlessly for an hour. And if I want to watch The West Wing, that's what I'll watch, thanks. When I switch on Stargate, that's kind of what I expect to watch.

It had a few redeeming features which puts it above Disclosure imo - Hayes was a likeable enough guy, there were a few lines of amusing dialogue (I did like Hayes coming into Kinsey's office looking like he'd just been hit with a sledgehammer, tie askew, after his Stargate briefing) and Woolsey's defection at the end was interesting, but any elements in this important to the main story arc could have been dealt with in a couple of throwaway scenes - stretching them to a whole episode was just taking the michael.

Ah well - thank goodness we should be back to a good old-fahsioned Stargate potboiler next week.

Oh, and I too thought it was quite hilarious that Hammond just reached into the drawer and came out with the floppy immediately. Geez. Couldn't they spring to a couple of minutes to let him walk over to a safe or something? Still...they did hint in that scene that Hammond's 'connections' had informed him that the Stargate personnel were being debated in the White House - perhaps he was anticipating having to use the disk at some point and was keeping it handy.



Albion

This post has been edited by Albion: Feb 25th 2004, 6:27 AM

I am with the major crowd here when i say, the episode, went above what i was expecting.

I hadn't read any spoilers sinse around october last year on this one but i had heard that it was going to be a 'clip' show but i actually found myself, very rare at the moment with the quality of episode, fully involved with watching it and not wondering off to go get some pieces of toast..and tea.

I dare the new president and the jokes, about the starnge people following him, were top notch.

I that Woosley really came good and to think that i wanted to strangle his neck this time last week! LOL...no need to worry though..i will strangle Kinsey's instead.

I liked this. I enjoy the eps that are a kind of clip show. I dont about Woolsey though. Personally i dont believe he is trying ot help the president.

also one thing to add:
Pops has been at least Once in every season now, so what if it was in a flashback

I ought to be kicking myself.

Before I watched the episode I came here and saw the first post and then scrolled down unnecessarily to see that Woolsey would turn out to be a good guy.

In either case, the episode really made me scared. The president seems to believe that the SGC needs new personell and that makes me hate him even more since we all know that Hammond wont be in season eight.

Really sad episode IMO.

Seriously, I think I would beat up Cox even if he was the greatest guy in the world if I meet him outside somewhere

This post has been edited by Varun: Feb 25th 2004, 9:53 AM

The only thing that bugged me about the ep and i understand why they did it was to use clips from a clips show in a clip show. apart from that I thought it was not a bad episode

which episode is the one where Jack went missing, and Carter didn't want to give up?

Deja vu in terms of Season 1. Bettere than Politics but not as good as disclosure.

Paradise Lost

Haha, that's pretty good.

I can't believe they seem to expect the president to make such an important decision so quickly. He is not even getting close to knowing all about what is going on. I think it would have been wise of Kinsey to wait before pressing his case so hard. It looks like he is trying to press the President into making a decision before he knows everything about it. Even if that is not the reason, it comes across as fishy.

at first i though oh no not anoher clip show but it turned out to be really good and i thought the president was reall funny.

The first thing I thought of when I saw them using a clip from a clips show in another clips show was The Simpsons. Do any of you remember when Bart attempts to jump Springfield gorge, Homer stops him, then accidentally ends up jumping the gorge and missing the other side? This has been used in several Simpsons clip shows, but in one show they flash to it and Lisa quips "everyone is sick of that memory."

Anyway, I am hoping this will be like season 1's Politics, an okay standalone episode, but a good intro to the season finale.

not too bad for a clip show probably the best sg1 flashback ep i've seen though, i rekon woolsey made a much better bad guy & than i good guy, he had evil governmanet agent look about him, like agent smith , it was pretty boring but it should make a good continue on to the lost city 2-parter, man i can't wait for the final showdown with anubis it's be awesome & the prometheus is gonna get blown to crap!!!
(no spoiler just my opinion)

OMG. I have checked the Sky listings and found that Sky are running the last two episodes seperate weeks. I would of thought that they may of ran them together like they sometimes do. Means I have to tape the first episode and miss a week of SG1 ( cry!

Sky never do a double bill of Stargate if there is a two parter. Its always been one episode fromt he new season per week (with it repeated on a Saturday).

who plays the president? he looks familiar

The actor's name is William Devane.