Still to this day this is the best episode ever!

nuff said

Would you care to elaborate as to why you feel it's the best episode ever? A lot of people have favorite episodes or what they feel are the best. There are usually reasons as to why people feel that way. People try and share as to why they feel the way they do.

Edit: For instance I liked William Devane as the president. I liked that we finally got to see a president. I also liked that he let Kinsey have it! I liked that Hammond was onboard to safeguard SG1. I liked that Bra-tac was a part of it all.

This post has been edited by IndyJan: Jul 9th 2007, 12:46 AM

Funnily enough, none of that stuff was the stuff I liked I was cool about bratac but that was the only bit. I liked the fact that we never got to see the president, kept it in "this universe" because Bush or Clinton or whoever else should have been in power at the start of the show, as they were in our universe. So not showing the pressie kept that feeling around that they could have still been in power, although I suppose enough changed over the 7 years of the stargate program for changes to happen.
Letting Kinsey have it, I felt that was too 'Oh look here we're going to expose the bad guy, you can cheer now audience, this is a feel good moment'. I dunno I felt it wasn't very subtle As said the Bratac thing was cool though, but my main things were the character moments between the team, the effects were very refreshing to watch and well done. And more.

The Bra'tac moments were pretty bad IMO. The fight scenes obbviously had a stunt double and the part where O'Neill healed him was cheesey.
William Devane was a good choice for the President but I feel he should have featured more in the show,


Chris Carter did that at the end of the final episode of The X-Files. In a deleted scene there was a lookalike of George Bush talking with an alien Super Soldier.

I just feel that William Devane is a great actor and a perfect choice for the president, and yes, I did like what he did to Kinsey. It was something so many fans have been wanting to say for years, "shut the hell up!"



I didn't feel that Jack healing Bra'tac was cheesey in anyway. It showed that his powers as an ancient had changed and progressed. Who knows what he would do if he downloaded the knowledge for a third time, maybe retain it forever.

This episode aired again today. Once again, I could see why I liked it so much.

#1 the dynamics of the 4 main characters was still, after 7 years, going strong, IMO. You could see how each member felt about Jack and what he was going through. There didn't need to be a lot of dialogue, the facial expressions said it all, with little dialogue. Teal'c, "O'Neill, I hope you........." then Jack just reaching up and touching his face. Sam, "Sir just before we got the call I was trying to say......." and Jack, "I know." Then the two of them just looking at each other. Daniel, "Jack I would have done it." Jack, "I know, must go faster."

#2 the bantering between Jack and Daniel as Jack began to change. Like always, it's just so good and funny. My husband, through osmosis and me, has learned to like SG1. When those scenes were happening, he laughed out loud.

#3 of course the fight scene over Antarctica was just awesome! IMO, it's one of the better ones, along with Season 6, Full Circle.

#4 cheesy or not, I loved seeing Jack heal Bra'tac and the expression of awe on Teal'c's face. As I said before if Jack were to download again, he just might retain the knowledge.

#5 I did like Hammond out in the field, once again. He didn't do it very often, but when he did, there was an impact. Hammond is so proud of SG1, and rightly so.

#6 Jessica Steen as Dr. Weir, I liked, and maybe they didn't make the correct decision to replace her with Torri Higgins. JS seemed a bit more feisty to begin with, whereas TH wasn't.

Indy, I agree with every one of those points. This episode did a great job of showing so many things that made SG1 a great show over the years.

This post has been edited by JTMAG1: Jul 16th 2008, 11:10 AM

Regarding #6 Indy, wasn't it down to Jessica Steen not being willing to return in Atlantis that led to TPTB casting Tori?

personally i just loved seeing jack and the drones own the gould lol
that to me was priceless!

Daf, I had not heard that, if that is true then they can't be faulted for making the change. Tori did eventually grow into the role. She was so much better during season 2. Then in season 3, they backpedaled her character and she became wishy-washy once again.

Yeah it was Stein who didn't want to be in it, anyway for Weirs character (Higginson), I felt she was good in New Order part 1+2, really strong there, then they just didn't really use her much during season 1. Although I still liked her. But her role became better during seasons 2+3, and she was ok in 4

I think that she had other projects occupying her time, and was unable to do Atlantis...

Thanks guys for the clarification about JS. As I said, if that was the case, then TPTB cannot be faulted because they replaced her.

i always thought that torri did a better job as weir anyway. she had a mature sexyness and an inner toughness that was vital to the role in my opinion!

Not at first she didn't. The first season she was all about being diplomatic. Lets talk to them first, negotiate. You cannot negotiate with the Wraith. JS was tough right off the back. Torri did get better in the second season though. Towards the end of the 3rd season though, they made her wishy-washy once again. She wanted to negotiate.

Well they had to give the character space to develop and learn. They reinvented her, a bit.

I always thought that the reason they backpedaled her in season 3 was because they knew she wasn't coming back and that they were bringing AT over to lead. They tried to show that she wasn't as good as she was. Then they made her a replicator, and of course, at that point, she was right, "you cannot know if you can trust me."

I don't think they necessarily regressed her character. She changed again, maybe... grew into something new, as must happen in life.

Nah, she just tried to negotiate in one episode, that's all She never really stopped negotiating we just didn't see instances where she needed to for a while. But she was willing to strike deals with the Wraith in Allies and the Genii man in Cout D'etat. So, meh, maybe she shouldn't have, but I guess she thought that the attack on the Replicator city was wrong and this was better then that. That's how I see it anyway. I don't think they tried a full 180 on her character given they knew she was leaving though.

I reckon they should have done something to Weir similar to what they did with Becket. They should have just given her some disease and said they couldn't cure it and the only way to save her life was to stick her in the Stasis Chamber. That way they could have found a cure and allowed her to continue to as commander of Atlantis in season 5. I reckon Weir was a good commander although...

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This post has been edited by Dave312: Aug 1st 2008, 9:09 PM

Like you said, it was similar to what they did to Beckett so they couldn't do it for Weir. Tori saw what TPTB were doing to her, Mallozzi screwed her over and Tori walked. To be honest, I'm glad Tori did that because Mallozzi believes he can do anything he wants with no consequence. Sure, it's a shame because her plotline would have been a good one in season 5 but Mallozzi got what he deserved.