The irnoy of it all is, Sunday is probably the best Atlantis episode aired to date.

Loved every second of this (even the ones that got me whimpering). So many things the show so desperately needed were addressed here. I loved the format of the episode, keeping you on your toes and yet managing to convey everything else, as well.


Elizabeth having a personal life - well, I thought that Mike bloke was a tad bit smug, but hey! They make a nice couple . Teyla, shown to have activities with other Earth personal - hey, if they actually bothered to show this side of her more often, I wouldn't've complained so much at how non-alien she is. She's always struck me as so much Earth-ised, os early in the show. But if she's seen in her every day life, inserted into scenarios that allow her to make comments that show the cultural difference, this could actually work. Here's to more day to day interaction for her. Loved the Weir half cancelling on Teyla, half begging her not to let her cancel Finally, the long awaited interaction between the two of them. I think they do get along well together, and it could have been so much help for Teyla's character, giving her this every one in a while (small sigh).

Sheppard and Ronon. Again, sorely missed til now. Yes, we've seen these two together. This was more a continuation of a relationship than the first portrayel of one... but it was done in a great, contributing way. They do sit around and talk. They do play together - loved Ronon's "game" ha! I'm actually thinking they're finally starting finding their footing around Ronon, starting to see his point. the character really is starting to make more sense.... more on that front as well, please.

Rodney... dating! Ahhhh! And that reference to McKay and Mrs Miller... yes, the character is growing, is evolving... I love Rodney's insane hysteria, but seeing him stumbling on a whole different dimension is just as well. Plus, this interaction with Katie finally corrected what is one of my biggest pet peeves about Duet - Rodney can interact with people, and he's shown it plenty of times before, and here he is, acting like a human being, a guy who really likes a girl, and not the stupid caricature of Duet. And his speech when wakened from sleep - genius!

Lorne painting! Zelenka's chess games! ha!
And yeah. Carson. Sigh. So I was exposed to the news he does die, and doesn't "disappear" as had been stated before, before the episode. Part of the reaosn for whimpering - when it became clear how the Rodney-Carson interaction's going to go, Rodney trying to get off fishing and p[romising him to go next week... yup, one of the whimpering moments. I can't believe they did something like to Rodney. That scene with Ronon - well, at least they used it. As a whole, Carson was so charming in this episode, sniff. And sigh, that last scene. Yes, it was pure cheese, Carson's "ghost" - or rather, memory... but it should have been there, at least in some form, if not with the full cheese of it. A shame they're utilising Carsopn so well in the one episode he's being killed off, and not in the entire season.

As for the stupid "explosive tumor" excuse... oh, come on. SG1 had always had the grace not to use stupid pklot devices - well, most of the time. I can see - and agree - why they didn't wan tto make this a bomber episode. That wasn;t the centre of the episode, it would have stolen the story into a direction they shouldn't've gone to, not in this episode. But there must have been a better way than explosive tumors. Sigh.

Stargate's always killed characters well, I'd grant them that. And Sunday was no exception, an excellent episode, and an excellent goodbye to a fantastic character. But Stargate Atlantis, at the place it's right now with characters, cannot afford killing off one of its better established characters - a mistake that hopefully whoever made that stupid decision would realise. Now there's only hoping they would be wise enough to utilise this death in the better way - following the Daniel Jackson example - and not the worse way - following the Janet Frasier and the complete lack of mention for a season and a half example. They could actually use this to give some beef and humanity to those characters who lack it most.

excellent, cruel, wonderful, heart jerking, and the best SGA episode I've seen. More of those please - just without the killing major characters part.

I couldn't agree more with you Pitry except on one point. I believe this episode to be tied for best with Tao of Rodney. This one just had a more emotional aspect.

Just wondering though, does anyone know why they actually killed Carson? Was there a problem signing Paul McGillion? Did he want to leave the show?

no one knows. And they're not going to tell, apparently. And when peopel do ask for clarification they're told by Joe mallozzi they're shrill and ill informed lemmings.

Ah, I shouldn't complain about that comment, it generated so much fun for me in the past 24 hours.

Tao of Rodney - this one is definitely in my top 5 episodes, prolly top 3. I just love both Tao and Real World, almost as much as I lvoed Sunday. God, tehy make such gread episodes this year!

I just watched and why did they have to kill Beckett Why? I just thought of way to maybe bring him back doesn't he have the Ancient Gene so maybe he asended? So maybe he can desend like Daniel did. Because Rodney went through the Ancient process of almost asending that's why he had that dream Beckett was a pure person right I would say he is pure of spirit but he is a very caring person and he might have problems with the non interfering and want to help. I did like the Ep I liked the games that Ronon and Sheppard played that was funny. I think the reason Elizabeth pulled back is from Mike is because she likes Sheppard but that's IMHO. I liked we found out Sheppard was married before that was cool some back story is better than none. I agree it was nice to see Teyla talking to people other than her team and have personal relationships I think it is Ronon she is waiting for to make the first move when he is ready.

Was this shown in Canada First!?!? I didnt see it on the Calander or was it on Sky?

Great episode, considering they killed one of my third favorite character Carson, which Im stilled p-ee-d off about and injured my first favorite character Teyla. I really and going to miss Carson and even though I will continue to watch I don't think the show will be the same with him gone.

This post has been edited by AngelofDarkness34994: Jan 17th 2007, 3:02 PM

What an episode... I liked how they made the story from more than one point of view, by tracking each of the main characters on their day off... And I like it that Beckett die making a sacrifice, saving a life, just like Frasier died in Season 7 of SG-1... And finally, the ending, Rodney and all of us actually saying good-bye to a very close friend. What I didn't like is the fact that they killed him off, but I guess that these episodes usually mark the evolution of a TV show.

I give this episode 89/100...

i must say that that episode realy sucked ... i hate the few hours back thing for each team member and then the last thing what is coing to happend ... it looks like they just are out of ideas for the show that they made this episode

Sky One on the 21st of Feb 2007 at 8pm

They weren't out of idea. Things happen in life, that make poeple change jobs, or quite, or get laid off. The same is true for actors, and when a life change like that is necessary, the writers are charged with the duty of making the tranistion occur smoothly in the show. They did it for Daniel, and Frasier, and Carson, and I think they've done a great job each time.

hmmph.... first explosion came from a female?... mabye this guy got more dose of the radiation.. maybe his tumour is a lot bigger? so many damn variables...

and maybe he did ascend?

I'm thinking that maybe since the guy had the tumor much longer before it exploded, it may have grown more and therefore was a bigger explosion... It also occured to me that because the second explosion was in a hallway and not a large and open room, the explosion may have been more concentrated and contained within the hall, and thats why you see Carson get engulfed in the flames...

Is it me or when Carson was speaking to the female doctor, doesnt she look like the one from "Fallout" jonas girlfriend?

and is she the new lead doctor?

Now that Carson is dead, who's gonna take his place?...as in the role of a doctor, I mean someone is gonna get shot one way or another lol.

If this ep airs on the 21st of Feb how are you all talking about it like it has aired already?? like I said I didnt see it on the Schedule for the Movie Channel in canada

They just start using the DNA machine and give people healing powers. When the person is about to die, you just change their DNA back.

i thought that DNA machine didnt work on a large number of the ancients Lolz.... and mackay was lucky....

i reckon more ppl die from accidents from anything else.. why not just shove a few of em in the brain suckers. they can become martyrs instead of dying trying to find a cure for cancer in a plant, they would have that cure instantly

im surprised the anceints dont ave some sorta healing machine, that can zap ppl back to normal

This post has been edited by Lagger: Jan 17th 2007, 9:20 PM

I always thought they did, but we just hadn't found them. but thinking back to echoes, it appeared that their medcial situation was just like ours. We do know that they eventually got the power to heal each other.

If the goa'uld were able to create healing technology, and the Tel'Chak device was used to heal some species, why wouldn't the Ancients have had some portable healing device? They don't have naqadah in their blood, but they could use crystal power cells.

maybe because the ancients stoppped their research into healing tech when they could jsut will the patients back to full health like what mckay did for zelenka in tao or rodney..
i mean at that point of evolution, doctors and nurses are pointless as every single ancient can heal with their powers

It is random... not everybody got the same advanced abilities. Watch Epiphany.

I think that once the society evolved to the same level, they would have have the same capabilites.

I had completely forgot about the sarcophagus. The Ancients were responsible for some serious healing tech. I wonder if that was before or after Atlantis.

What ever happened to that device?

I think the same level of genetic diversity would exist... giving different abilities to different people... kinda like skin tone and eye color... ya know?

I wonder why the Tel'Chak device existed at all... although, it could have been the power source... a generator of some kind... its energy could have been channeled when it was used in conjunction with another device.

I think the Tok'Ra hid it away somewhere so nobody would get mutated anymore...

so will he be back? he was talking to rodney at the end like daniel talked to jack when he ascended, which i think means that he ascended. we know that the ancients can do that, oma did it on abydos maybe the ancients ascended him had hes gonna be like season 6 daniel on sg1