Loved some of the music in the fight scenes. Reminded me of the music when Jack O Neil and Maybourne were stuck on that planet and were fighting each other.

Brilliant

Loved the episode story too

This post has been edited by Shifter: Aug 12th 2006, 12:36 AM

I think the storyline was great and it developed Ronan quite a lot and so we got to see a whole new side of him and understand him a lot more.
It was quite interesting to go to his planet and see the destruction which the Wraith caused.

And the planet which called the Wraith...and the way the Wraith went back on their agreement which we all knew was going to happen. I'm amazed they didnt cull the planet though. I thought Hives had Queens though so it was weird for me to see that Wraith dude. And he looked so much different to the other Wraith.

All in all at the start i thought it was going to be a really boring episode so i just watched it...and kept watching it and thought hey...this is quite interesting. And the fight scenes were well done oh though I am getting tired of seeing the same moves repeated over and over.

Sorry. After all the hyping - and considering this was written by RCC - I wasn't overly impressed.

Yeah, it was a good episode. Quite good, even excellent in Atlantis standards. RCC should write more Atlantis episodes, merely for the fact he seems to be the only writer interested in the characters of Ronon and Teyla. The damage being done to these characters is horrible, but a few more episodes like that maybe some other writers would start finding points of interest in them, as well.
Hopefully.

But I like RCC's quiet, human episodes more than I do the ones withg the big explosion. And so many of the things were forces in Sateda...
Okay, Hunter-Wraith. Y'know, I wish they'd stop throwing things out of thin air. Please?
The more I saee of the Wraith, the more I';m full of joy the main alien race of Atlantis is the Ancients - after 10 years of SG1 and the need to considerate their plot-lines too, the ways to screw up and pull - not bunnies as much as a pack of lions - out of the hat are much more rare. All these laser-eyed Wraiths, and weird looking Wraiths, and all that... I mean, whatever for, other than getting a "cool look"? The more frustrating thing is, I know no one is going to follow up on that. There's no chance of getting a glimpse into Wraith society, maybe discover this is a different cast, etc. Nothing. Use them to make the episode look cool and then discard them away.

Character dewvelopment for Ronon? I suppose. So we know a bit more of his future, so we've - finally, might I add - seen him at a tim when he's not just growling and beating people up but dealing with people he cares about, and yet... I don't feel thge character has really deveopled. For me, character development is pushing the boundaries of the character, throwing it out of its comfort zone and into someplace new where it has to deal with things its never encountered before - and learn of the character as it learns of itself, from that new experience. There was nothing new for Roinon in here - so he was a runner again, so he still hates the Wraith, so he wants revenge.
I knew all of that already.

Some of hte scenes between the rest of hte characters also felt forced. It felt like, "oh, we need a nice character-bonding moment here" - funny, I never get that feeling on SG1. I've no idea why I do on SGA - but as amusing as the Teyla-Sheppard scene was - "Yes I have friends!" bwaha - it felt way too forced. The "pain in the ass" scene with Rodney was better - so were Rodney's scenes with Beckett - man, I missed these two together! - but other than that... eh.

Finally some development and back story to the Ronon character. Almost a year with us and and we barely knew he was there.

The makings of this episode were very close to the 'Equilibrium' style but since I have no problem for the creators to 'borrow' from other material out there and converting them into Stargate, I found the episode exciting and thoroughly enjoyable.

I liked the scene with Shep talking about family too. This subject is his Achilles' wound. I have caught on that early on and just glad that it was now confirmed like that. It has been subtly introduced since the pilot when everybody was saying goodbuy to their families and he was sitting alone tossing a coin to make a decision. And in "Letters from Pegasus" the way he felt uneasy about the concept of sending home any messages. I hope at some point they mention a back story about him too.

The night vision of the Wraith, very Riddick like. I liked that a lot. But when I saw it I derived that all Wraith have vision like that and not that it was an experiment for that particular Wraith as it has been discussed in this forum. It is not always that we have the opportunity to see through Wraith's eyes and that's why we weren't aware of that. I assumed that he was wearing glasses because of the twilight in the planet at that time.

Insights into the Wraith are a treat and this episode introduced not only the vision but also a hint into Wraith hierarchy with the Wraith Hive ship having for luck of a better word a 'King'.

Some humour in there too from MacKay and Beckett, overall a great episode 5/5!

After the pile of crap that was 'Irresistable', this was pretty good. It's about time that Ronon had a bit of development.
McKay was good, "Oh my God, it's my ass isn't it".
The Wraith King was a good addition although I think he should have lived, he could have been a good recurring enemy for the show or an antagonist for Ronon.
Why has Sheppard got a leather uniform?

I was suprised at how much I enjoyed this epsiode, maybe because the last one was so bad. I never disliked Ronan, but I never thought there was much to his character. But he got some development in this episode and there were some great action scenes.

It wasn't just Ronans character that got development. Shepard revealed how his team are the closest thing he has to family and how far he will go save them. Even Mckay and Beckett showed how much they care.


Because it looks cooler? Landry sometimes wears a leather jacket too.

Inconsequential info about the leather jacket


This post has been edited by JTMAG1: Nov 9th 2006, 2:29 AM

Not really. Having a leather uniform is a cliche in sci-fi.

I would normally agree with that. The thing about Atlantis is that they are always in uniform. Since they never get to dress in their own clothes, I like the idea of having uniform variations.

They're always in uniform because they are always on duty when we see them. We've seen Beckett, McKay and Teyla out of uniform and I'm sure that Wier and Sheppard have been seen in "normal" clothing.

Yeah, I agree. In fact, it makes sense to have uniform variations. We've seen, when SG teams go offworld they wear bdu's to suit the enviroment, desert camo, forest camo etc. And when they're on the base they wear the standard SGC green or blue uniform.

Atlantis just seem to wear the standard Atlantis unifroms off world or on the base.

I loved this to bits. I understnad Ronan a lot better and the general wraith looked kick ass.

Well, I don't count Teyla (or Ronin), but I can't remember the other out of uniform. I will have to go back and look for instances.

73% Mega hammy. But sometimes, if you have a good and suitable story, hamminess can work.

LAUGH LINE OF THE WEEK: "That did not just happen!" Epic!

BAD PROPAGANDA OF THE WEEK: This guys with the bows and blow pipes whoop the guys with the P90s. The lefty media will love it!

THOUSAND SHIP LAUNCHING FACE OF THE WEEK: Ronan's haemorroid look in the cage was legendary.

OVERACTING OF THE WEEK: Everyone seemed a little bit hypersensitive in this episode. Ronan was practically crying when he was pleading with the villagers to let the rest of the team go. Shepherd and Weir seemed slightly oversensitive to Caldwell's concern over a rescue mission, taking his concerns as an affront to their principles more than the legitimate concern it was.

BEAST OF THE WEEK: That Wraith in charge of hunting Ronan looked like the one out of Jeepers Creepers.

INEVITABILITY OF THE WEEK: The Wraith on the hunt, with the specs, trench coat and boots, looked like one of the guys out of the Matrix. Fitting, because Ronan acted quite Matrix-esque himself, except he was a hardcore killing machine rather than a sissy acrobat.

NEW NEWTONIAN MECHANICS OF THE WEEK: The Wraith beast is big and badass, but he'd not that heavy. He couldn't throw a guy as big as Ronan across the street without throwing himself off his feet in the process. It's called Newton's Third Law: the conservation of momentum.

...hard post to follow.

Hmm. I dislike Ronan less after that episode. Still not the biggest fan though. It has to be said though, all those sepia flashbacks were a bit...intense, and they just sort of seemed to be shoved in to make it more of a character episode. He seemed a little too powerful, too, given just how strong the Wraith are supposed to be.

A bit of a nitpick: that energy bolt from the hive ship at the end was damn accurate, given the distance the ship was firing from, and from what we've seen of their accuracy in the past. If they hadn't have moved, they would've been hit.

(and seriously, they say Sah-tee-dah!? )

OK, i loved the premise of this EP. even loved the cloaks!

the flash back were a good idea, but i have to agree, a little, i dunno something. forced isn' the word... maybe just too much?

the acting, well it was sub par in some areas for these actors.


Nothing gained nothing lost.

You should not use our Fisic laws, cause they are not perfect. And we saw once that Wriths can posess telepatic abylities - maybe that helped him to throw Ronan.

Telepathic abilities are different to telekinetic abilities and the Wraith have never shown any telekinesis.

What about in that episode when they found a wraith ship on the bottom of the ocean? In their pudle jumper the wraith queen was forcing Sheppard on his knees without touching him!

Bostjan, your post is a spoiler from an episode happening later on in this season. People who haven't yet seen the entire season, but who have seen this episode, may read your post. You should have placed spoiler tags.

oooh.... then sorry about that, i don't know the correct sequence of the episodes.

The episodes air in the order that appear on this site. All threads in the episode discussion forums are in the correct order.