I have been a reader of this site starting when episode downloads were still available. I have never felt a need to post before, but there was something about this episode that was sloppy, it almost seems as if the writers overextended themselves between the two series.

1) We get it, Weir is a strong woman. She doesnt have to storm off, a little ass kissing would've helped her and required nothing. But, why doesn't she cover her own ass with the IOA by confronting them, and demanding a response, or at least saying, I'm going to do what I'm doing if you don't give me a response.

2) We get it, Teyla is a strong woman. Why in the hell would Weir give her the instructions instead of the next in command military officer?

3) How can the leader of any such base just simply walk through, knowing she will not be back in weeks. Considering there are no ships, and chaos on Atlantis, she just left without leaving much instructions. They don't know if she could have ever gotten back.

4.) Shouldn't Caldwell have kept a nuke in reserve?

EDIT - Addition: 5.) Considering the fact that Earth with the exception of a few drones is defenseless, wouldn't the Ori be considered the bigger threat? Shouldn't they have had both ships return to Earth? It seemed stupid to sacrifice the new ship, which considering its origins, might be able to stand toe-to-toe with the Ori?

The battles were cool, but watching this almost made me angry.

This post has been edited by SmashFX: Jul 14th 2006, 10:33 PM

1) She did tell them what she planned to do and that they were going to contact her when the ships were ready to go, if they wanted to countermand her orders they could do so at that time but if they did they would have to fire her first.

2) Teyla is they leader of her people and she is quite capable of making decisions. Besides, most of the senior military and scientific staff is onboard the Deadalus and Orion, so I'm guessing Teyla had stayed behind to help Weir in the capacity that she did.

3) It wasn't a request. It was an order from the CIVILIAN oversight committee and she is a CIVILIAN leader. Remember she told Landry that she "can't just leave." But Landry makes it clear that they are there to call her on the carpet and that she's going to listen to them whether she wants to or not. You can see it in her eyes and his expression when she says "understood." Although you're right and they should not have recalled her when there is clearly a need for her in Pegasus.

4) He could have, but what for? He thinks the battle is about to be lost and he doesn't realize that he's got help in the form of Shepard and Michael on the hive ship.

5) They know that the Orii will probably tackle the rest of the Galaxy before heading for Earth, since Earth is a much bigger threat. Once they have the rest of the Galaxy in line they won't even need their ships from whatever galaxy they are from to wage war on Earth.


I agree with Linz that the whole Oversight committee thing was not a good subplot for this episode. It's just stupid for them to remove the leader of a facility when there is clearly a crisis going on. I think TPTB just needed a filler subplot and could not think of a better one.

Overall, a OK beginning to the season. I wonder how they are going to get along in Pegasus when there will clearly not be any help from the Milky Way and now they have destroyed the Orion before they could even fix her up. Could there be another surprise discovery of Ancient warships in the horizon??? I believe so.

And Michael? Is he really accessing some vestige of humanity that remained after his conversion and if so, could this be the real weapon to use against the wraith. Don't slaughter them, but quite literally convert them to our point of view?

This post has been edited by J&S4Ever: Jul 14th 2006, 11:39 PM

He decided to use all the war heads before he dropped out of Hyperspace... the battle wasn't lost yet, and it wouldn't have been lost later if he had that nuke to beam onboard.

Michael wasn't accessing any vestige of humanity. He was trying to stay alive. He knew that the queen was probably going to kill him. He said it himself.